I really miss the option to turn off the fast charging (it is present on my Note 4, for example). I don't need the fast charging, because I charge the phone mostly at nights. And I'm almost sure, that the fast charging will degrade the battery more, than the regular charging.
The thing is, the Mate 10 isn't officially available in my country, so I will not be able to change the battery (don't really want to disassemble it myself).
What do you think, will it be preferable to use my Note 4 charger (Mate 10 should use it as a regular 5V/2A charger), or maybe the native Huawei charger may somehow be more friendly? Maybe, any recomendations?
Btw, did batteries get any better in the past 3-4 years? Can I expect the Mate 10's battery to degrade slower, than the Note 4's battery? (it degraded noticably in a year, even without a fast charging)
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I really miss the option to turn off the fast charging (it is present on my Note 4, for example). I don't need the fast charging, because I charge the phone mostly at nights. And I'm almost sure, that the fast charging will degrade the battery more, than the regular charging.
The thing is, the Mate 10 isn't officially available in my country, so I will not be able to change the battery (don't really want to disassemble it myself).
What do you think, will it be preferable to use my Note 4 charger (Mate 10 should use it as a regular 5V/2A charger), or maybe the native Huawei charger may somehow be more friendly? Maybe, any recomendations?
Btw, did batteries get any better in the past 3-4 years? Can I expect the Mate 10's battery to degrade slower, than the Note 4's battery? (it degraded noticably in a year, even without a fast charging)
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You can control battery degradation with accubattery on playstore. Very great app.
Better to charge to 80 % max in order to degrade battery slower.
App gives good advices et a lot of infos.
Moreover, yes, supercharger probably degrade battery a bit faster but I think it's negligible
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You can control battery degradation with accubattery on playstore. Very great app.
Better to charge to 80 % max in order to degrade battery slower.
App gives good advices et a lot of infos.
Moreover, yes, supercharger probably degrade battery a bit faster but I think it's negligible
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Thanks, but I don't see it a handy solution, to be honest. I charge the phone at night, so I can't stop the charging at 80%.
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Thanks, but I don't see it a handy solution, to be honest. I charge the phone at night, so I can't stop the charging at 80%.
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It's the point.
It's a mistake!
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It's the point.
It's a mistake!
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We're automatizing anything we can, and you're suggesting to wait for a notification everytime I charge, to pull of the charging cable. Wrong or not, but I'll stick with the "plug in and forget" option, cause its really easier to disassemble the phone once in a 1.5-2 years and change the battery, than to wait it charging to 80% every other day So, the questions about the charger selection and battery improvements in past 3-4 years remain open
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We're automatizing anything we can, and you're suggesting to wait for a notification everytime I charge, to pull of the charging cable. Wrong or not, but I'll stick with the "plug in and forget" option, cause its really easier to disassemble the phone once in a 1.5-2 years and change the battery, than to wait it charging to 80% every other day So, the questions about the charger selection and battery improvements in past 3-4 years remain open
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Ok as you want dude but honestly have a normal charger is useless..
Are there any studies that prove that fast charging can degrade the battery performance faster?
A shower and breakfast is all the time it takes to charge to 80%.
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Are there any studies that prove that fast charging can degrade the battery performance faster?
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Speaking as an electronics engineer (and not as an expert on batteries), I'd suggest that "slow and steady" will always be kinder to the battery, no matter how much technological work has gone into preventing the battery from destroying itself through fast charging.
Keep the SuperCharge charger that came with your 'phone handy in case you need an emergency top-up, but for overnight charges use an el-cheapo 1A USB charger. It'll be more than enough to bring you to 100% by the morning, and there'll be no chance of crystallising/drying-out the battery's electrolyte.
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Speaking as an electronics engineer (and not as an expert on batteries), I'd suggest that "slow and steady" will always be kinder to the battery, no matter how much technological work has gone into preventing the battery from destroying itself through fast charging.
Keep the SuperCharge charger that came with your 'phone handy in case you need an emergency top-up, but for overnight charges use an el-cheapo 1A USB charger. It'll be more than enough to bring you to 100% by the morning, and there'll be no chance of crystallising/drying-out the battery's electrolyte.
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You're probably right but science proves now that the most important thing in order to maintain battery is to charge it to 80 % max.
Your point is to be kinder to the battery right?
Better way is to charge it less than fully.
But, anyway, you're want to be stubborn ?. So, buy a normal charger, charge phone fully the night and don't cry after if you're battery doesn't work well.
And to answer to your "question" better is to buy a huawei charger if you don't want for sure any problem...
its not a good maner to compare note 4 with mate 10
samsung usually uses low quality batteries in cell phones
but after s6 and note 5 it improved the quality
about huawei's batteries
the batteries are in high quality state
my brother has huawei honor 3c lte. he bought it around of 5 years ago. after years we couldnt realize a significant weakness.
so dont worry about mate 10 and its super charge
im sure that your device will be working in a good condition
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Why o why do samsung phones take so freaking long to charge? What good is slightly better battery life if the phone take so much longer to charge?
Yes I know S3 has 2100mah battery but it really shouldnt be taking over 2 hours to charge as phones like the xperia S and iphone 5 charge way faster per mah. Samsung has done a better job with charging speed than the S2 but still its behind.
I dont know why reviews never mention it? Its obvious cost cutting from samsung and trust me I am a big samsung fan but this is really disappointing and surprising that nobody complains about it.
I know atleast on my nexus S that it has nothing to do with the charger, the phone just wont charge faster no matter what charger I use.
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Why o why do samsung phones take so freaking long to charge? What good is slightly better battery life if the phone take so much longer to charge?
Yes I know S3 has 2100mah battery but it really shouldnt be taking over 2 hours to charge as phones like the xperia S and iphone 5 charge way faster per mah. Samsung has done a better job with charging speed than the S2 but still its behind.
I dont know why reviews never mention it? Its obvious cost cutting from samsung and trust me I am a big samsung fan but this is really disappointing and surprising that nobody complains about it.
I know atleast on my nexus S that it has nothing to do with the charger, the phone just wont charge faster no matter what charger I use.
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Well first of all, most people charge overnight so its a non issue really. I dont get your issue with it. Maybe its not reported because no one cares about an extra half hour or so...
Secondly, if it charges faster, battery life will be decreased....also my iphone took longer to charge than my S3 does
Where's the obvious cost-cutting? Seriously, if people took the time to actually understand the technology they use, we wouldn't have these trivial misunderstandings.
Lot of people like i do charge the phone during sleep time, btw my phone charge very fast when i put on charger in daytime
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neo6776 said:
Well first of all, most people charge overnight so its a non issue really. I dont get your issue with it. Maybe its not reported because no one cares about an extra half hour or so...
Secondly, if it charges faster, battery life will be decreased....also my iphone took longer to charge than my S3 does
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Ya right as if no one ever runs out of battery before the night. And I like to have the phone by my pillow when I sleep.
And you must not be using a proper charger for iphone I assume?
Gambler_3 said:
Ya right as if no one ever runs out of battery before the night. And I like to have the phone by my pillow when I sleep.
And you must not be using a proper charger for iphone I assume?
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My s2 has always charged faster than my old iphone 3gs, and is probably on a par with the iphone5.
The s3 seems to charge pretty fast. Stop plugging it in to your pc, it won't charge as fast on there
Having it by your pillow doesn't preclude charging it though..
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Ya right as if no one ever runs out of battery before the night. And I like to have the phone by my pillow when I sleep.
And you must not be using a proper charger for iphone I assume?
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I was using the charger supplied with my iphone.
Since this post, its taken half an hour to charge my S3 by 40%...
This is elementary maths. Charging a 2.1 Amp-hour battery at 1amp will take ~2.1 hours if there is no concurrent draw . I wish we could break the laws of physics and I bet Samsung wish they could too but since we can't I wouldn't let it bother me if I were you.
EqUaTe said:
My s2 has always charged faster than my old iphone 3gs, and is probably on a par with the iphone5.
The s3 seems to charge pretty fast. Stop plugging it in to your pc, it won't charge as fast on there
Having it by your pillow doesn't preclude charging it though..
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I dunno about the 3GS but the iphone 4 charges in under an hour.
And how come S2 has charged so fast? Using tweaked kernels? Well you see thats a different thing and not something every user wants to do.
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I was using the charger supplied with my iphone.
Since this post, its taken half an hour to charge my S3 by 40%...
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So your S3 takes less than 1.5 hours to fully charge? I searched this and alot of users are reporting way more times and thats talking about the AC charger not computer charging which I know is slower.
farnsbarns said:
This is elementary maths. Charging a 2.1 Amp-hour battery at 1amp will take ~2.1 hours if there is no concurrent draw . I wish we could break the laws of physics and I bet Samsung wish they could too but since we can't I wouldn't let it bother me if I were you.
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I dunno what you are talking about. An xperia arc S with 0.7 amp charger takes only 40-50 minutes to charge a 1500 mah battery. It sure doesnt fit your criteria.
I don't see it as a problem myself.
If you find it troubling, why dont you try to set charge current higher?
Sad ...
farnsbarns said:
This is elementary maths. Charging a 2.1 Amp-hour battery at 1amp will take ~2.1 hours if there is no concurrent draw . I wish we could break the laws of physics and I bet Samsung wish they could too but since we can't I wouldn't let it bother me if I were you.
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Sad but true - with the exploding popularity of the S3 the forum seems to be invaded by script-kiddies without any clue
And another thing - if you recharge from an USB from a computer you will only get 500 mAh at most - so it will take 4 hours - but your S3 will NOT overheat and the battery will probably survive for twice more full recharges!
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Some explanations for the script-kiddies and mactards without a clue (which if you look below you will see that is most likely trolling around):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Power
Also certain kernels - for instance Siyah - lets you tweak the recharging parameters - but that will not change the fact that standard computers will immediately disconnect your S3 when it draws more than 500 mAh, or that recharging at 1000 mAh will heat the battery / device and VASTLY accelerate battery aging.
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I dunno what you are talking about. An xperia arc S with 0.7 amp charger takes only 40-50 minutes to charge a 1500 mah battery. It sure doesnt fit your criteria.
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mah = milliamphour (1000th of an Amphour)
An Amphour is 1amp for an hour so a 1 amphour battery will last 1 hour if you draw 1 amp. That is what Amphour means. When charging, the current drops off when nearly complete which is why I used the ~ as a symbol for "approximately".
It is simply impossible to charge a 1.5 Amphour batter in 40 minutes at 0.7 amps unless the battery is knackered and not fully charging.
I have no interest in arguing with you but physics is physics and the same rules apply to all manufacturers.
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if you recharge from an USB from a computer you will only get 500 mAh at most
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Again I dont see evidence for this. iphone has a battery capacity of 1420 mah so that means it should take around 3 hours to charge through USB when it infact charges in just over an hour even through USB.
farnsbarns said:
mah = milliamphour (1000th of an Amphour)
An Amphour is 1amp for an hour so a 1 amphour battery will last 1 hour if you draw 1 amp. That is what Amphour means. When charging, the current drops off when nearly complete which is why I used the ~ as a symbol for "approximately".
It is simply impossible to charge a 1.5 Amphour batter in 40 minutes at 0.7 amps unless the battery is knackered and not fully charging.
I have no interest in arguing with you but physics is physics and the same rules apply to all manufacturers.
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Hmm letme recheck the xperia charger. You seem very knowledgeable and I have had questions about charging times for the longest of times and I really want to clear them. Will get back to you.
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Again I dont see evidence for this. iphone has a battery capacity of 1420 mah so that means it should take around 3 hours to charge through USB when it infact charges in just over an hour even through USB.
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I believe some computer USBs can provide 1amp now.
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I believe some computer USBs can provide 1amp now.
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I am talking about normal computers but just the latest ones. Dont know what apple does but every single android phone takes considerably longer to charge through USB.
Lol my S3 charges really fast compared to my s1&s2
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Hey, just wanted to let you guys(and gals) know that this app works perfectly on our axons: Battery Charge Limit.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002
It does exactly as the name suggests, stops the battery from charging beyond a certain percentage, thus for example if you set a limit of 80%, your battery will preserve its health for around 1500 cycles instead of 500 cycles of charging to 100% before degrading by ~20% of its total capacity.
Enjoy the app guys, tested on B19, stock kernel, rooted.
So the way to have 1500 cycles is to only use 70% of battery at best. Because going under 10% is not exactly good for the battery either. I don't want to have an even worse battery life, so I think I'll pass, thanks though!
Nik2424 said:
Hey, just wanted to let you guys(and gals) know that this app works perfectly on our axons: Battery Charge Limit.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002
It does exactly as the name suggests, stops the battery from charging beyond a certain percentage, thus for example if you set a limit of 80%, your battery will preserve its health for around 1500 cycles instead of 500 cycles of charging to 100% before degrading by ~20% of its total capacity.
Enjoy the app guys, tested on B19, stock kernel, rooted.
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Don't go under 90ish as you will stop charging whilst quick charging and will damage the battery even more than if you didn't use the mod so just be carefull
Nik2424 said:
Hey, just wanted to let you guys(and gals) know that this app works perfectly on our axons: Battery Charge Limit.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002
It does exactly as the name suggests, stops the battery from charging beyond a certain percentage, thus for example if you set a limit of 80%, your battery will preserve its health for around 1500 cycles instead of 500 cycles of charging to 100% before degrading by ~20% of its total capacity.
Enjoy the app guys, tested on B19, stock kernel, rooted.
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Dont let them fool you, you dont need this app. The charging controller of your phone actually already has its safety margin built in. Same on the low end. This means you can not charge your phone to its physical maximum anyway, it will show 100% whipe the physical charge in fact is ~95% and will shutdown showing 0% while physically there is still about 10% of power left. So your battery is safe from this kind of damage anyway.
If you want to extend your batterys lifetime for real, try to charge it as often as you can, keep the charge as high as possible. Flat charging is the magic word. This is what your charging controller does when your phone is connected to ps for longer when it shows 100%, it in fact lets it deplate 2% without showing and then charges it back, thats called trickle charging and is the best treatment practice for our bateries.
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FadeFx said:
Dont let them fool you, you dont need this app. The charging controller of your phone actually already has its safety margin built in. Same on the low end. This means you can not charge your phone to its physical maximum anyway, it will show 100% whipe the physical charge in fact is ~95% and will shutdown showing 0% while physically there is still about 10% of power left. So your battery is safe from this kind of damage anyway.
If you want to extend your batterys lifetime for real, try to charge it as often as you can, keep the charge as high as possible. Flat charging is the magic word. This is what your charging controller does when your phone is connected to ps for longer when it shows 100%, it in fact lets it deplate 2% without showing and then charges it back, thats called trickle charging and is the best treatment practice for our bateries.
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Samdung pretty much confirmed they do this (or better) in the S8 and later (and possibly the S7). But has any other company confirmed they have battery longevity tactics built in?
Personally I use AccuBattery since I've had it for a long time as a charge alarm/monitoring tool. I use a 1 amp charger instead of the 3 amp charger that comes with it and charge my phone at low amps and voltage which prevents the battery from heating up. So low charge, low heat. I don't want a degraded battery in a year because I don't know when I'm replacing this thing.
Cyrus D. said:
Samdung pretty much confirmed they do this (or better) in the S8 and later (and possibly the S7). But has any other company confirmed they have battery longevity tactics built in?
Personally I use AccuBattery since I've had it for a long time as a charge alarm/monitoring tool. I use a 1 amp charger instead of the 3 amp charger that comes with it and charge my phone at low amps and voltage which prevents the battery from heating up. So low charge, low heat. I don't want a degraded battery in a year because I don't know when I'm replacing this thing.
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What's you battery health percentage/capacity now? and for how long did u have your phone? Do you charge from 0-100 daily?
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What's you battery health percentage/capacity now? and for how long did u have your phone? Do you charge from 0-100 daily?
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AccuBattery is no good for giving an accurate estimate of the actual capacity when you're charging at low %s. For first 50% it'll calculate something like 3500mAH+, for the last 50% it'll estimate 2000 or lower. If I had to give you a rough estimate of what I actually think it's at, it's roughly 2900-3000mAH. When I first got it, I estimate it was around 3100-3200 a year ago. I HATE that phones no longer have replaceable batteries. That's half the reason I wanted an LG V20, I could just murder the battery and just pop in a new one every year. Sadly the V30 is sealed, following the BS trend of planned obsolescence. Thanks Apple.
Oh and I almost forgot, I typically charge my phone from 20% to 50% after it drops 30%. Then sometimes once more if I use it some more. On average I charge about 50% worth a day without going over 50%. Even with such light battery usage, keeping the battery 30C or lower 99% of time, and keeping the voltage below 4.1 again 99%, it's still degraded at least roughly 200mAH in a year. Rarely when I know I'll need longer battery life I charge it to 80%. It's a cheap quality battery. ZTE cut corners. This was my first, and unless I have no other reasonable options, it'll likely be my last ZTE phone.
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AccuBattery is no good for giving an accurate estimate of the actual capacity when you're charging at low %s. For first 50% it'll calculate something like 3500mAH+, for the last 50% it'll estimate 2000 or lower. If I had to give you a rough estimate of what I actually think it's at, it's roughly 2900-3000mAH. When I first got it, I estimate it was around 3100-3200 a year ago. I HATE that phones no longer have replaceable batteries. That's half the reason I wanted an LG V20, I could just murder the battery and just pop in a new one every year. Sadly the V30 is sealed, following the BS trend of planned obsolescence. Thanks Apple.
Oh and I almost forgot, I typically charge my phone from 20% to 50% after it drops 30%. Then sometimes once more if I use it some more. On average I charge about 50% worth a day without going over 50%. Even with such light battery usage, keeping the battery 30C or lower 99% of time, and keeping the voltage below 4.1 again 99%, it's still degraded at least roughly 200mAH in a year. Rarely when I know I'll need longer battery life I charge it to 80%. It's a cheap quality battery. ZTE cut corners. This was my first, and unless I have no other reasonable options, it'll likely be my last ZTE phone.
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can you TL;DR this for me?
-So i better keep charge between 20% and 80% yes?
my old sony phone form 2011 still works nicely, as it had Quality battery (over 2000 cycles already) yeah does not last long 2/3 but still. useable.
And i agree, replaceable batteries is must have function, My old S3 and S4 worked for "ever" because of that, every year new battery and another year of usage! (s3 still going strong since 2012 !!! )
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AccuBattery is no good for giving an accurate estimate of the actual capacity when you're charging at low %s. For first 50% it'll calculate something like 3500mAH+, for the last 50% it'll estimate 2000 or lower. If I had to give you a rough estimate of what I actually think it's at, it's roughly 2900-3000mAH. When I first got it, I estimate it was around 3100-3200 a year ago. I HATE that phones no longer have replaceable batteries. That's half the reason I wanted an LG V20, I could just murder the battery and just pop in a new one every year. Sadly the V30 is sealed, following the BS trend of planned obsolescence. Thanks Apple.
Oh and I almost forgot, I typically charge my phone from 20% to 50% after it drops 30%. Then sometimes once more if I use it some more. On average I charge about 50% worth a day without going over 50%. Even with such light battery usage, keeping the battery 30C or lower 99% of time, and keeping the voltage below 4.1 again 99%, it's still degraded at least roughly 200mAH in a year. Rarely when I know I'll need longer battery life I charge it to 80%. It's a cheap quality battery. ZTE cut corners. This was my first, and unless I have no other reasonable options, it'll likely be my last ZTE phone.
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Apple has been using enclosed batteries for like 10 years or so.
You can do better than the app by setting a lower maximum voltage on the Axon 7 instead. I posted about the discovery awhile back on that thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74746734&postcount=1353
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Pruikki said:
can you TL;DR this for me?
-So i better keep charge between 20% and 80% yes?
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Essentially, yes, that's what I keep hearing whenever I dig for information. If any of the stats of AccuBattery are accurate at all then it also supports that going over 80% causes multiple times the degradation that charging up to just 80% would. These days I try not to go over 70% based on app estimates of degradation. These days I need more than the 50% I was previously charging to.
This is app is a must have and thought I'd share. Like everywhere I have read, they say battery should not be charged to 100%, it will hurt the battery somehow. This app "Battery Charge Limit" automatically (with root) stops charging the phone at whatever percent you want and starts charging back up at whatever percent you want. So you can always stop before it hits 100. It can be used without root but it only notifies you and you have to manually unplug the phone to stop charging. Better with root since its automatic.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.slash.batterychargelimit
Ndaoud360 said:
it will hurt the battery somehow.
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Don't charge to 100%
Slow charge only
Don't quick charge
Don't use wireless charger because it heats up the battery
Lower brightness to 10% for best battery life
Disable wifi/lte/nfc/bluetooth for best battery life
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Enjoy your $1000 phone!
peachpuff said:
Don't charge to 100%
Slow charge only
Don't quick charge
Don't use wireless charger because it heats up the battery
Lower brightness to 10% for best battery life
Disable wifi/lte/nfc/bluetooth for best battery life
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Enjoy your $1000 phone!
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Keep it turned off for a better batter longevity ??
Damn thos people are more preocupied of how to prevent the battery wear than actually enjoying this amazing phone
Well coming from an HTC device where after like what 6 months, my battery starts dying much quicker and hopefully this app and the nature of Samsung makes my phone battery last longer. Never owned a Samsung, so I don't know how the battery lasts over time.
This is a myth, modern phones already prevent damage from overcharging with the charge controller in the phone. Fast charging and slow charging also does not make a difference in battery longevity.
Just use your phone like a phone.
Yeah no
@nukeclears you need to bone up a bit more on battery chemistry before making statements like this. Overcharging is very different from charging to 80%. That's why Apple just implemented a charge limit in ios13 and Tesla strongly recommend charging to 80/90% max for daily use. Samsung just don't want to do this because they haven't felt enough pressure. I'll bet they implement it on the S11 and then for all phones by the end of the year.
Tab S4 has a setting to stop charging at 80%
You guys do need to go through all this? For what?
I have a Note 3 with battery since 2014 or 15, it still gives me the same power, sometimes it's better than it first was.
Charging fast/slow doesn't affect anything, I'm doing so for years.
I really don't think batteries die, if you felt it's weakening, just change OS, not the battery.
Samsung themselves, on the s10 series, suggest to charge from 30% to 80% everytime you need a charge.
In my daily usage, stopping charge to 90% is enough and I have all the juice i need till the next day.
If you are rooted, Battery Charge Limit app can be very useful to optimize the life of your battery (remember: battery is the first hardware component that ages your phone). On my 2015's Sony phone, they wanted me to pay 75 euros for battery replacement...
This thread is full of people who know nothing of batteries.
I bet your phone battery does "feel" the same after years when your os pushed that update that permanently limited your frequencys lmao.
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Don't charge to 100%
Slow charge only
Don't quick charge
Don't use wireless charger because it heats up the battery
Lower brightness to 10% for best battery life
Disable wifi/lte/nfc/bluetooth for best battery life
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Enjoy your $1000 phone!
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Enjoy replacing it every year because phone batteries are becoming more commonly HARD GLUED into place. So go ahead, switch the whole phone out.
Hello, my Xiamoi Mi 9 is arriving end of next week and I am pretty hyped!
I am really not sure, if I do need these mentioned charging techniques. Apparently you can charge your phone from zero to 100 below one hour. Is it good to charge a phone very often and that fast? Doesn't it heavily influence the battery life? Shouldn't you just use a slow charger and charge it only up to 90%?
hallohallo222 said:
Hello, my Xiamoi Mi 9 is arriving end of next week and I am pretty hyped!
I am really not sure, if I do need these mentioned charging techniques. Apparently you can charge your phone from zero to 100 below one hour. Is it good to charge a phone very often and that fast? Doesn't it heavily influence the battery life? Shouldn't you just use a slow charger and charge it only up to 90%?
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Well I don't think the charger influences battery lifespan, it's how you use the device that does
Most phone batteries are lithium ion batteries and honestly chargers (except fake ones) will not harm your battery regardless of charging speed, phones are built to handle them
If you continuously fast charge your battery, it will lower the lifespan of the battery over time. Unless you're planning to keep this phone for more than 4 years, it's not really that big of an issue. But charging speed does affect battery life.
What affects battery life is letting it go to 0% on Lithium. Just make sure you start recharging it around 10%-20% and you will make the battery last for a very long time.
Hi
Just bought a GT Neo 2 but didn't get the Realme 65W charger. I do have a Samsung EP-'T4510 USB-C Quick Charger 45W + USB-C Cable.
It's obviously not going to charge the phone as fast as an original 65W charger does but it's not charging as fast as I'd expect. Plugged it in earlier at 49% and it was at 91% 40 minutes later.
So what affects charging time?
Charging set up as follows:
1) Using extension lead
2) Using adapter to convert 2 pin EU charger to UK 3 pin
3) Samsung T4510 (45W) and the cable that came with the T4510
Do the extension lead or adapter affect charging time? Also does the cable affect it? Do fast chargers have to be used with a specific type of cable?
The charger/cable has to support the charging protocol of the phone or it will only slow charge.
Best to use a OEM brick/cable no longer than 3 feet.
Battery temperature needs to be high enough at beginning of the charging cycle for fast charging to engage. Minimum 72F, but 82-90F is best.
Fast charging may engage below 72F but Li plating becomes likely. Below about 55F fast charging will likely be disabled.
Above about 103F or about 80% capacity fast charging with be ramped down or disabled.
If screen is on, fast charging is disabled.
A battery fault will also disable it or cause erratic fast charging ie a battery failure.
blackhawk said:
The charger/cable has to support the charging protocol of the phone or it will only slow charge.
Best to use a OEM brick/cable no longer than 3 feet.
Battery temperature needs to be high enough at beginning of the charging cycle for fast charging to engage. Minimum 72F, but 82-90F is best.
Fast charging may engage below 72F but Li plating becomes likely. Below about 55F fast charging will likely be disabled.
Above about 103F or about 80% capacity fast charging with be ramped down or disabled.
If screen is on, fast charging is disabled.
A battery fault will also disable it or cause erratic fast charging ie a battery failure.
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Thanks for that.
G1032 said:
Thanks for that.
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Sorry @blackhawk
One more question if you don't mind. Will charging the GT Neo 2 with the Samsung charger damage or reduce the lifespan of the Realme battery?
G1032 said:
Sorry @blackhawk
One more question if you don't mind. Will charging the GT Neo 2 with the Samsung charger damage or reduce the lifespan of the Realme battery?
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Fast charging produces more heat therefore will reduce the lifespan somewhat.
On my heavily used Note 10+ I now replace the battery every year or so to help prevent a battery failure, routine maintenance.
The charging curve is controlled by the phone not the charger. The charging curve should be near identical if both bricks supple the required peak voltage/amps and the phone power controller can communicate with the brick.
Thank you kindly. Much appreciated.
G1032 said:
Thank you kindly. Much appreciated.
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You're welcome. Play with it to see how it works.
Start the charge at about the same temperature then time how long it takes to gain 1 or 2% without turning on the main display. Watch when it ramps down during the charge cycle. It will vary but I see 2%@minute sometimes a little faster at the peak fast charging rate on the N10+.
To extent battery life limit discharge to 30% and top charge to 80%. Li's like frequent midrange power cycling; it extents their totals full charge cycles many fold. A 40-67% usage range is near ideal. Limit the current draw; higher current usage stresses the battery more as does back to back discharge/recharge etc cycles with no rest period.
That's one reason it's just easier to replace the battery. When an Li reaches 80% of its original capacity it's considered degraded and has reached the end of its useful service life. It should be replaced. Degraded Li's are more likely to fail which can seriously damage the device.
Any battery swelling is a failure, replace immediately.
blackhawk said:
You're welcome. Play with it to see how it works.
Start the charge at about the same temperature then time how long it takes to gain 1 or 2% without turning on the main display. Watch when it ramps down during the charge cycle. It will vary but I see 2%@minute sometimes a little faster at the peak fast charging rate on the N10+.
To extent battery life limit discharge to 30% and top charge to 80%. Li's like frequent midrange power cycling; it extents their totals full charge cycles many fold. A 40-67% usage range is near ideal. Limit the current draw; higher current usage stresses the battery more as does back to back discharge/recharge etc cycles with no rest period.
That's one reason it's just easier to replace the battery. When an Li reaches 80% of its original capacity it's considered degraded and has reached the end of its useful service life. It should be replaced. Degraded Li's are more likely to fail which can seriously damage the device.
Any battery swelling is a failure, replace immediately.
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That's all very interesting. I have often read about the 30 - 80 range. I used to own a Huawei P9 and always charged to 100 and that battery didn't last more than 2 years. Last phone was an A70 and that'll be 3 years old in June. Started getting random reboots recently and a quick Google said that's most likely down to the beginning of a battery failure. So just got this GT Neo "as new". It was obviously sent back to the online store by original purchaser minus the charger (replaced with a 5V 2.1A charger. Store had no OEM charger listed on site for sale so I agreed to take a the EP-T4510 charger. While it's not ideal that I won't be getting the fast charge of the OEM charger, it's far from a major issue for me, as long as I'm not going to damage the battery with it and I doubt I will. Even less of an issue if all I really need to do is keep it between 30 and 80.
I've read also that a complete discharge every once in a while is recommended but not sure how accurate that advice is.
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That's all very interesting. I have often read about the 30 - 80 range. I used to own a Huawei P9 and always charged to 100 and that battery didn't last more than 2 years. Last phone was an A70 and that'll be 3 years old in June. Started getting random reboots recently and a quick Google said that's most likely down to the beginning of a battery failure. So just got this GT Neo "as new". It was obviously sent back to the online store by original purchaser minus the charger (replaced with a 5V 2.1A charger. Store had no OEM charger listed on site for sale so I agreed to take a the EP-T4510 charger. While it's not ideal that I won't be getting the fast charge of the OEM charger, it's far from a major issue for me, as long as I'm not going to damage the battery with it and I doubt I will. Even less of an issue if all I really need to do is keep it between 30 and 80.
I've read also that a complete discharge every once in a while is recommended but not sure how accurate that advice is.
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Li's are born to die; they start degrading the moment they're assembled. Don't go too nuts, just replace them as needed.
Until I watched someone replace my N10+ battery I was very concerned. However I realized it's relatively easy with the right skillset and tools.
Mind you they say the N10+ is one of the more difficult ones to replace... meh.
Now I don't really think much about it.