Opinion on restarting your Note 8... - Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion

Opinion on restarting your Note 8... - Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion

I have heard so many opinions in general to this question when it comes to the Note 8 specifically as well as all Androids, iPhones, Windows OS, etc. Some people feel these phones have been developed to be on all the time and really don’t need to be restarted at all. These same individuals feel that it uses more battery to do these restarts so that will hurt the phone because it will decrease the number of limited battery cycles that one has. However, other people feel you should be restarting your phone to improve battery life as well as performance. Some suggest when you receive your security update, approximately monthly. Some suggest weekly, twice a week, daily. I’ve even heard others that say if you use 40-50% straight you should be restarting your phone. With regards to the last scenario, those individuals have said they restart as much as 3 times a day. Some believe you should shut down when you charge and do it nightly when they charge their phones. For me that won’t work because I charge my phone in the morning while I’m eating breakfast, showering and getting ready. I think it would be great to find out from someone who knows what is the best way to take care of our phones as opposed to the manufacturers who obviously want our phones to eventually die so we have to buy new ones. I enjoy my Note 8 and can’t foresee myself getting a new phone until at the earliest probably the Note 10. Only because everything I read/watch discuss that could be a very special phone, but there’s obviously a good possibility that it won’t happen. While Apple definitely changed their phone with the iPhone X, I was expecting a lot more. Luckily for them I’m not their customer. At least, not yet but their OS would have to change dramatically as well as they would need to create something that could compete with the S Pen. I highly doubt I would ever become their customer, but I’m digressing. Even though I didn’t spend that much for my Note 8 on preorder, but it’s obvious that the prices are going up. If that keeps happening and they don’t offer as much on their sales, promos, deals, trade ins, etc., we as consumers in general will probably be trying to hold on to our phones as long as possible. While in my opinion there is still one huge issue regarding the OS in the fact that the phones that are released are optimized for the current version of the OS that is out. So with that in mind eventually updating your phones to a particular OS could be detrimental and the manufacturers may force us to upgrade. So as long as we keep our devices healthy by practicing certain habits. One would be to make sure we don’t always jump at the new OS unless we know that it would agree with our current phone that we are using. The other habits include charging as well as restarting our devices. I’m sure there are even others. But this is what prompted me to create this thread. I would greatly like us as consumers to come up with a list of good habits to come up with to keep our phones healthy which would prolong their lifetimes. I mentioned that I was interested in knowing how often people restart their phones and that is what primarily I’m looking for, but I still think it would be great to use this to go over any items that anyone thinks could be beneficial for us. This way we can decided when we want to upgrade as opposed to being forced into upgrading. I hope this makes sense to everyone and I value everyone’s opinions. I’m looking forward to hearing what everyone’s thoughts are. Thanks in advance for everyone’s participation.

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I have heard so many opinions in general to this question when it comes to the Note 8 specifically as well as all Androids, iPhones, Windows OS, etc...
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sll1313 said:
I have heard so many opinions in general to this question when it comes to the Note 8 specifically as well as all Androids, iPhones, Windows OS, etc. Some people feel these phones have been developed to be on all the time and really don’t need to be restarted at all. These same individuals feel that it uses more battery to do these restarts so that will hurt the phone because it will decrease the number of limited battery cycles that one has. However, other people feel you should be restarting your phone to improve battery life as well as performance. Some suggest when you receive your security update, approximately monthly. Some suggest weekly, twice a week, daily. I’ve even heard others that say if you use 40-50% straight you should be restarting your phone. With regards to the last scenario, those individuals have said they restart as much as 3 times a day. Some believe you should shut down when you charge and do it nightly when they charge their phones. For me that won’t work because I charge my phone in the morning while I’m eating breakfast, showering and getting ready. I think it would be great to find out from someone who knows what is the best way to take care of our phones as opposed to the manufacturers who obviously want our phones to eventually die so we have to buy new ones. I enjoy my Note 8 and can’t foresee myself getting a new phone until at the earliest probably the Note 10. Only because everything I read/watch discuss that could be a very special phone, but there’s obviously a good possibility that it won’t happen. While Apple definitely changed their phone with the iPhone X, I was expecting a lot more. Luckily for them I’m not their customer. At least, not yet but their OS would have to change dramatically as well as they would need to create something that could compete with the S Pen. I highly doubt I would ever become their customer, but I’m digressing. Even though I didn’t spend that much for my Note 8 on preorder, but it’s obvious that the prices are going up. If that keeps happening and they don’t offer as much on their sales, promos, deals, trade ins, etc., we as consumers in general will probably be trying to hold on to our phones as long as possible. While in my opinion there is still one huge issue regarding the OS in the fact that the phones that are released are optimized for the current version of the OS that is out. So with that in mind eventually updating your phones to a particular OS could be detrimental and the manufacturers may force us to upgrade. So as long as we keep our devices healthy by practicing certain habits. One would be to make sure we don’t always jump at the new OS unless we know that it would agree with our current phone that we are using. The other habits include charging as well as restarting our devices. I’m sure there are even others. But this is what prompted me to create this thread. I would greatly like us as consumers to come up with a list of good habits to come up with to keep our phones healthy which would prolong their lifetimes. I mentioned that I was interested in knowing how often people restart their phones and that is what primarily I’m looking for, but I still think it would be great to use this to go over any items that anyone thinks could be beneficial for us. This way we can decided when we want to upgrade as opposed to being forced into upgrading. I hope this makes sense to everyone and I value everyone’s opinions. I’m looking forward to hearing what everyone’s thoughts are. Thanks in advance for everyone’s participation.
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The Samsung+ App even recommends restarting after a certain number of days and will send a notification. Restarting the phone has nothing to do with battery cycles. For a lithium ion battery 1 cycle is how many times its charged to 100% that would be like 2 50% charges or 4 25% charges that is what equals a cycle

I never restart unless the battery dies or there is a software update.
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It is always good android ettiquiet to reboot say 1 a day or every couple days to clear old out.
I know android has come a long way in terms of memory management but I still feel daily reboots are good. Plus all the wltweaks and mods most of us do. Require reboots on daily multi times a day anyways....

TheMadScientist said:
It is always good android ettiquiet to reboot say 1 a day or every couple days to clear old out.
I know android has come a long way in terms of memory management but I still feel daily reboots are good. Plus all the wltweaks and mods most of us do. Require reboots on daily multi times a day anyways....
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Yeah, couldn't agree more.
I reboot mine every morning (leaving it plugged overnight to charge). May be just a placebo, but I feel like rebooting 1x a day keeps it fresh.
On the technical side, I assume some processes don't start/ aren't triggered because you don't use everything daily (some apps, functions of the note8 itself)

SaadatM said:
Yeah, couldn't agree more.
I reboot mine every morning (leaving it plugged overnight to charge). May be just a placebo, but I feel like rebooting 1x a day keeps it fresh.
On the technical side, I assume some processes don't start/ aren't triggered because you don't use everything daily (some apps, functions of the note8 itself)
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I've noticed some very prominent screen tearing/lag when using a 3-4+ day uptime OS. After reboot it goes away and doesn't come back until another 3-4 days. so I restart mine like 2x a week now. Mondays and Thursdays. Non-rooted, stock Unlocked US Note8.

I would be glad if my note 8 would run a day without rebooting. [emoji24]
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I have my exynos European ones do the weekly automatic restart and do the occasional one besides that so probably twice a week

I only reboot when I feel the phone is a bit laggy, which is hardly ever, I find that Android does a decent job of managing memory usage and the inbuilt software regularly advises of which apps it's hibernated and put to sleep. I sometimes go weeks or even update to update between reboots. On occasion I've rebooted a few times in a day.
Personally, I don't think there is a right and wrong here, which is why there are so many opinions.

I reboot mine every couple of days. About once a week I clear the cache partition. After every major update I factory reset. I also check daily to ensure my apps are up to date. My phone runs just as good as it did out of the box 6 months ago! I have the least amount of problems with my phones, out of everyone I know. That includes both Android and iPhones.

When I first bought the phone after using smart switch my phone would get extremely hot while I was using it while not charging the phone, it would lag really bad and it felt like the phone was being strangled to death, and I only had the phone for a week after it's release and Samsung customer service was useless and Verizon made me fight them for a month before they sent out a new phone, which had the exact same issues. I later found out that Verizon's CSCfeatures "bloatware/firmware" was causing the problems on the phone so I flashed the unlocked firmware and eventually rooted but that fixed the issues I had.
Now I run 2× as many apps still get better battery life and the phone never heats up. I use substratum themes, I reboot my phone every other day or after updating apps and re-applying the themes I use. If I'm using my phone extremely heavily through the day I reboot 2-3 times. I also go to my apps list in setting and clear cache and force close all the apps at least once a week, I also have my phone auto reboot every Sunday morning as well and my phone runs smooth, fast, and I don't have any problems

reboot is an option on the phone. It can be used to the user's discretion.

Just use your phone and enjoy it. If you constantly overcharge or let the battery run very low it could reduce battery life over time, but otherwise you are just fiddling within the margins... Don't stress about the micro management stuff too much. It's a tool to make our lives easier, it's not a baby

sefrcoko said:
Just use your phone and enjoy it. If you constantly overcharge or let the battery run very low it could reduce battery life over time, but otherwise you are just fiddling within the margins... Don't stress about the micro management stuff too much. It's a tool to make our lives easier, it's not a baby
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I actually agree with you and that’s exactly how I use to handle to things more or less. I would at least reboot once a week. However, within the last month I started to have issues with Smart Lock, specifically Trusted Places. It worked flawlessly and now it’s not. One of the ways (among others) that I’ll get it to work on a temporary basis (1-2 days) is if I reboot. In quite interesting how many different answers I’ve gotten in this thread, which like 1 person posted is what I’m getting everywhere else. I was hoping for something else. Ironically, one person posted they reboot sometimes when it runs out of power, yet I read that is one of the issues people are complaining about. That if it goes to 0%, they’re not able to get it to boot back up. I’ve never taken the chance because of what I read, but obviously that’s not everyone (based on that 1 person’s post). I’m on Verizon (like at least on of the posts mentioned) and my phone may very infrequently get ever so slightly get very, very minorly warm. It’s actually one of the coolest phones I’ve ever owned. Others I spoke to are not having issues with Trusted Places, like I use too. So this really makes me scratch my head on why there is so much variance. I love the S Pen and honestly because there’s no competition is probably why I haven’t looked elsewhere, especially with how Samsung handled the Note 7 fiasco. In addition, it was my understanding with every article I read is that they were going to make it up to us. I didn’t see that anywhere. In fact, I thought the least they could do was make sure that the original S Note app was pre-installed on the phone. They knew that we as consumers were upset it was missing from the Note 7 (they were supposed to be bringing it back on that phone within a month, but then the battery issue). So you would think they would remember and make sure it was there. Instead if you wanted it you had to side load it. To me that was horrible customer service. I’m digressing. Getting back to the original post, I guess there really isn’t anything that people are doing as a whole. But I guess this would make sense when we are all getting phones that aren’t even uniform to begin with (phones that won’t turn back on after 0% battery, overheating phones, Trusted Places not working, that Samsung lag still experienced by some, etc.). What makes less sense to me is because of the S Pen, Android, and other items, I still feel the Note 8 is still the best device out. As long as I writing this, what’s everyone’s opinion on Oreo? To me it doesn’t see like there really is any specific feature that we really don’t have. IMO, it looks like the only advantage would be if it makes our phones run smoother. I’ve just found a lot of people upset that we haven’t gotten it yet and my opinion is phones are optimized for whatever OS is out at the time and if we’re not careful, upgrading to the wrong OS (whether it’s Android or iOS) may make our phones run worse, potentially a lot worse. Just my opinion. I still would love to get a more uniform answer to my original post, but as long as I’m asking anyone have issues recently with Trusted Places and figure out a permanent fix? Thanks in advance for any help. I’ve been going through a lot of health issues, so I will try and respond when I can.

I reboot when i need to, ends up being in a cycle of about 4/5 days.
I personally would reboot it every 2 days or 1 day. it will do no harm to reboot the device.
Am sure Samsung or google added a option in there somewhere to automatically reboot your device at a set time.
Its similar to your desktop pc, leave running for 45 days and see how slow and clunky it feels.
Restart it and see how fast it feels.
Given the due turning a device off and on, does use it s most power, so if you are running low on juice a restart may not be the best option.
I personally think your reading into it way too much,
If your phone is slow or behaving abit stupidly, restart

dave7802 said:
Am sure Samsung or google added a option in there somewhere to automatically reboot your device at a set time.
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Just search "restart" in the settings section. You'll see this screen pop up. You can set a weekly restart whenever you want. You don't even have to think about it after that

rile1564 said:
Just search "restart" in the settings section. You'll see this screen pop up. You can set a weekly restart whenever you want. You don't even have to think about it after that
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I appreciate your response, but it doesn’t necessarily answer how often one she restart their phone. However, more specifically to your response, Verizon actually disabled that feature. I understand some of the other ones, but not this one. Except for one possibility, and that would be the fact that is important to reboot. Based on Verizon’s action here, it would seem they are trying to prevent the user from remembering to do these reboots. Obviously they would prefer you to keep buying phones for them to make money. I wasn’t sure how important this was to the carriers because I always thought they just passed the cost off to the consumer until Samsung’s newest phones. Now 3 out of the big 4 carriers all seemed to mark up the cost of the phones, which surprised me. I really thought it would be more important for them to try and keep their customers, but they it looks like they are all trying to convince people to move to T-Mobile.
I had another question that maybe you could help me with. I touched on it slightly before regarding Smart Lock that was working perfectly up until a few weeks ago. Then I started to have problems with a Trusted Places. I just noticed something quite interesting and that when I say to Google Assistant “Where am I” or “Where’s my phone”, I notice the location icon turn on. Now the Trusted Places works for at most for a couple of days again and then I can just repeat it. Well it seems like to me that the Location Services either goes to sleep or shuts itself off. I looked and I don’t have anything set to have this happen. It’s set on. So any suggestions. This has been frustrating me for quite sometime. It’s actually what lead me to this thread because I’m happy with the Note 8 and I really don’t want to see its performance deteriorate. Well this is the only thing negative that’s happened recently. So I’m hoping you have an idea. Thanks for anyone’s help. Like I said, I really appreciate it. It’s probably the only more frustrating than figuring out how to get the original S Note app on the device. Well I finall took care of that, so I really hope that there’s a solution to this. Again sorry for the lengthy post.

I only reboot it to apply some overlays every now and then so that's once a week I think?
Doesn't make a difference in speed for me. It always feels fast.
I never reboot my computer either except for updates once a month or so.
Doesn't make a difference at all to me

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Please explain why some ROMs and kernels work well on some phones

This is a new concept to me. There are no PCs that "just don't like Windows". With the same hardware, a PC will run the same software at the same speed with the same stability. All SGS II i777's have the same hardware, don't they?
There are of course variations in the quality (=bin) of some components, but that just sets voltage boundaries for a given clockspeed (or in extreme cases, makes a phone defective), but this shouldn't affect how a ROM runs.
What am I missing?
Why do some problems persist on what seems to be a clean install on some phones, and don't manifest on others? Do some ROMs run better because of different recoveries? What's left after a full wipe?
Obviously, installed apps and settings will make a phone perform differently, but that aside, shouldn't all SGS II run the same?

Eckyx said:
This is a new concept to me. There are no PCs that "just don't like Windows". With the same hardware, a PC will run the same software at the same speed with the same stability. All SGS II i777's have the same hardware, don't they?
There are of course variations in the quality (=bin) of some components, but that just sets voltage boundaries for a given clockspeed (or in extreme cases, makes a phone defective), but this shouldn't affect how a ROM runs.
What am I missing?
Why do some problems persist on what seems to be a clean install on some phones, and don't manifest on others? Do some ROMs run better because of different recoveries? What's left after a full wipe?
Obviously, installed apps and settings will make a phone perform differently, but that aside, shouldn't all SGS II run the same?
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Simple answer is no not all devices are made the same. You see this with mass produced hardware. As for your PC ref. My brother and I have the same laptop while mine loves my set up, my brother has nothing but problems with it on his system. It comes alot down to personal set up and device. This has always been the case with mobile devices and custom roms. Stock roms are set to run on all devices the same. This is not so with custom roms.

Eckyx said:
This is a new concept to me. There are no PCs that "just don't like Windows". With the same hardware, a PC will run the same software at the same speed with the same stability. All SGS II i777's have the same hardware, don't they?
There are of course variations in the quality (=bin) of some components, but that just sets voltage boundaries for a given clockspeed (or in extreme cases, makes a phone defective), but this shouldn't affect how a ROM runs.
What am I missing?
Why do some problems persist on what seems to be a clean install on some phones, and don't manifest on others? Do some ROMs run better because of different recoveries? What's left after a full wipe?
Obviously, installed apps and settings will make a phone perform differently, but that aside, shouldn't all SGS II run the same?
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Zel pretty neatly answered this, but I will also add that modern consumer electronics interact with the immediate environment far more than our pcs do. Light sensors, 3g radios, barometers, etc. are far less deterministic than our classic closed-loop pcs. Part of this perception of flux is based on this real flux, for example one of the core features people will discuss is call/modem quality, but driver tweaking vs. actual signal strength is a pretty fuzzy battle for anyone but an electrical/firmware engineer. And just like in the pc world, when you're talking under volting and over clocking your mileage will vary.
If you are methodical and read all the materials, your phone will operate tip top. It seems to me a lot (not all) of the variances often do boil down to the users configuration.
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I have fixed a lot of computers and have been flashing custom roms for a year and ill tell you, in my personal opinion, problems are 90% user error. If people would all install properly and wipe everything completely and follow everything they're told to do and read all possible material on what they're flashing they can, a huge portion of the problems would dissapear. But is that gonna happen? I hope so
Heck I make mistakes too. None of us are immune to screwing up right? Good luck all, happy flashing.
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Eckyx said:
Obviously, installed apps and settings will make a phone perform differently, but that aside, shouldn't all SGS II run the same?
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Yes, they should and they do, absolutely with every ROM, stock or custom.
If they're purely, properly installed, they're all the same.
By "purely", I meant completely, virgin-like ROM without any add-on.
If you choose to install somethings else, to customize your needs or set it up the way you want, then it's a whole different ball game.

zelendel said:
Simple answer is no not all devices are made the same. You see this with mass produced hardware. As for your PC ref. My brother and I have the same laptop while mine loves my set up, my brother has nothing but problems with it on his system. It comes alot down to personal set up and device. This has always been the case with mobile devices and custom roms. Stock roms are set to run on all devices the same. This is not so with custom roms.
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Just to chime in on the Windows thing - we buy a standard build HP computer at work for all developers. But if you put the same Windows disk in two of them and boot and install accepting all the defaults, there will always be slight variations in the way it configures itself between the two. It's probably the hardware detection that does it, but I swear you could get two of the same build lot and you'd STILL get something that didn't set up the same way. Sunspots? Power surge during the process? I dunno, but it does vary

You cant change the disk. Your network adapter has a MAC adress on it... windows will know something has changed. motherboard also has one.
A PC component are not the same at all.
You can buy a good I7 2600k or a bad I7 2600k. There are revisions of the very same model of CPU, memory, everything and its really hard to make 1 equal another.
Another thing is that one smartphone is a lot more delicate piece of hardware and the most important, has limited power to it components.
That makes harder to change anything on it. A small change could lead you to a failure.

just blame it on the ghosts in the machine and be done with it

votinh said:
Yes, they should and they do, absolutely with every ROM, stock or custom.
If they're purely, properly installed, they're all the same.
By "purely", I meant completely, virgin-like ROM without any add-on.
If you choose to install somethings else, to customize your needs or set it up the way you want, then it's a whole different ball game.
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This is not the case. I have tested with two different EVO 4Gs and two different SGS IIs - of the same hardware revision, even.
I performed the same steps to root and ROM both of the sets of phones, and put the same ROM on them. There were no other apps installed, nor themes/addons. I then used each as my phone for a week, making sure that I installed identical apps and even synced app data.
Both performed differently. My i777 is the faster of the two, but my EVO 4G was the slower and more bug-prone.
Yes, this is anecdotal evidence, but I at least am convinced. Take it as you will.

Also the phones are made with lower quality checks than desktop. ie I can oc my sgs 1 up to 1.6GHz but uv of -25, the phone well restart. But other people can't go more than 1.2 and cab apply a uv of -150 on the same step.
This is a fact. Think if every phone it's done with high quality checks the price of the device will raise pretty high.

Once of the frustrating things is that the people responding on the forums, (ROM devs and regular users) often try to have it both ways.
If you're experiencing something they aren't, it's obviously your fault because it doesn't happen on their one phone so it can't possibly be anything but your own fault. Go wipe 50 times and do other things that will take 3+ hours each time and don't come back until you do.
Oh... you've done all that already and still having the issue? Oh well, all phones are different... tough luck, bro. I'm not going to spend any time on anything my one phone doesn't do.
(Never mind that a dozen other people have reported the exact same issue, and another several dozen are experiencing it but are too scared to post about it because they see how everyone else is being flamed, castrated or even banned for daring to suggest a bug.)
One way or another, it seems a convenient way to blow off users having legit issues.
While I suppose there might be slight deviations in components once in a blue moon, I think the "all phones are different" excuse is more often than not used as a way to easily dismiss people and issues without helping. It's been repeated over and over for so long now, the majority take it as "fact" without really putting much thought into how it could possibly be as widespread and dramatic as they're pretending it is.
I don't buy it.
Even just with modems... everyone's like, "Oh well all phones are different... some modems work better on some phones, or in different areas". What kind of BS is that? How on earth could any phone manufacturer then create a mass-market phone that worked across the country without hacking? I'm sorry, but you can't chastise and criticize the manufacturers for not producing the universal "uber-phone" that works great anywhere while at the same time admitting that "all phones are different" and therefore require hacking for your specific flavor or region. It's hypocritical.
I think it's very, very rare that actual hardware differences between the exact same model phone account for issues people experience, and is more often than not either user or dev (as much as they try to paint themselves as infallible gods) error that they don't want to bother with. "All phones are different" = "F-off, I don't want to deal with this"

sremick said:
Once of the frustrating things is that the people responding on the forums, (ROM devs and regular users) often try to have it both ways.
If you're experiencing something they aren't, it's obviously your fault because it doesn't happen on their one phone so it can't possibly be anything but your own fault. Go wipe 50 times and do other things that will take 3+ hours each time and don't come back until you do.
Oh... you've done all that already and still having the issue? Oh well, all phones are different... tough luck, bro. I'm not going to spend any time on anything my one phone doesn't do.
(Never mind that a dozen other people have reported the exact same issue, and another several dozen are experiencing it but are too scared to post about it because they see how everyone else is being flamed, castrated or even banned for daring to suggest a bug.)
One way or another, it seems a convenient way to blow off users having legit issues.
While I suppose there might be slight deviations in components once in a blue moon, I think the "all phones are different" excuse is more often than not used as a way to easily dismiss people and issues without helping. It's been repeated over and over for so long now, the majority take it as "fact" without really putting much thought into how it could possibly be as widespread and dramatic as they're pretending it is.
I don't buy it.
Even just with modems... everyone's like, "Oh well all phones are different... some modems work better on some phones, or in different areas". What kind of BS is that? How on earth could any phone manufacturer then create a mass-market phone that worked across the country without hacking? I'm sorry, but you can't chastise and criticize the manufacturers for not producing the universal "uber-phone" that works great anywhere while at the same time admitting that "all phones are different" and therefore require hacking for your specific flavor or region. It's hypocritical.
I think it's very, very rare that actual hardware differences between the exact same model phone account for issues people experience, and is more often than not either user or dev (as much as they try to paint themselves as infallible gods) error that they don't want to bother with. "All phones are different" = "F-off, I don't want to deal with this"
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Great so what you're saying is everyone that says this (especially devs) are a bunch of dicks. Nice.
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Nick281051 said:
Great so what you're saying is everyone that says this (especially devs) are a bunch of dicks. Nice.
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That's actually not what I said at all, but I know it's a lot easier to summarize my post into one sentence that makes me look like an ass, than actually look at the points that I made.

sremick said:
That's actually not what I said at all, but I know it's a lot easier to summarize my post into one sentence that makes me look like an ass, than actually look at the points that I made.
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I read the whole thing and that's exactly what it says.
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Nick281051 said:
I read the whole thing and that's exactly what it says.
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Nope. But let me simplify it for you:
1) There can't be the level of hardware variation that people claim. It's not seen in other electronics, and it's not been seen before the recent generation of smartphones. The assumption of its existence is a recent phenomenon however if it were real we'd see it everywhere, on other electronics other than phones.
2) If it were to really exist, people would lose the ability to legitimately blame the phone manufacturers for 90% of what they currently give them crap about, especially in regards to making a quality stock ROM. What are they expected to do, create thousands of variations of stock ROMs, one for ever county in the USA to compensate for this accepted "all phones are different" theology?
3) Due to it being repeated over and over and simply assumed to be true without any actual evidence to the fact, it's become a convenient way to dismiss user issues... even in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary on a specific issue. This unfortunate trend causes lots of friction between users and devs. Even if it were true, it's now become an over-used dismissal without allowing for the chance that the user might be right.
People can't have it both ways, but right now there's a lot of hypocrisy. If it's true, there's been no evidence actually shown... just anecdotal experiences that could be chalked up to any number of other things. And whether it's true or its not, either way a massive amount of thinking and behavior would then have to then change... but right now, people behave like it's true and not true at the same time, which is nonsensical and frustrating.

The simple answer is, there is no answer. Its the nature of the process.
I've had one click roms fail the 1st attempt only to succeed the 2nd without even closing the Odin just reconnect the phone.
Either you accept that and have fun with it. Or stick to stock and move on.
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Nope. But let me simplify it for you:
1) There can't be the level of hardware variation that people claim. It's not seen in other electronics, and it's not been seen before the recent generation of smartphones. The assumption of its existence is a recent phenomenon however if it were real we'd see it everywhere, on other electronics other than phones.
2) If it were to really exist, people would lose the ability to legitimately blame the phone manufacturers for 90% of what they currently give them crap about, especially in regards to making a quality stock ROM. What are they expected to do, create thousands of variations of stock ROMs, one for ever county in the USA to compensate for this accepted "all phones are different" theology?
3) Due to it being repeated over and over and simply assumed to be true without any actual evidence to the fact, it's become a convenient way to dismiss user issues... even in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary on a specific issue. This unfortunate trend causes lots of friction between users and devs. Even if it were true, it's now become an over-used dismissal without allowing for the chance that the user might be right.
People can't have it both ways, but right now there's a lot of hypocrisy. If it's true, there's been no evidence actually shown... just anecdotal experiences that could be chalked up to any number of other things. And whether it's true or its not, either way a massive amount of thinking and behavior would then have to then change... but right now, people behave like it's true and not true at the same time, which is nonsensical and frustrating.
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No you're actually wrong because sometimes things CAN go wrong with flashing stuff. And modems in fact do work better in some places than others even though they try to make them universal it is very difficult to do that. Also, if a dev doesn't see a problem, how is he supposed to fix it? Riddle me that one. Also, restoring should take at most an hour with something like titanium backup. So 3+ hours is bull.
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if a dev doesn't see a problem, how is he supposed to fix it?
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He can start by not flaming the several people experiencing it (which scares away others also experiencing it, self-validating him and making him think the problem is less-common than it really is)
There's a difference between a problem being simply difficult for a dev to pin down and solve, and just attacking any user who dares bring up an issue that the dev himself isn't experiencing. Therein lies the hypocrisy, though: if "all phones are different", then a dev has to accept that a problem a user is experiencing might not be the result of stupidity on the user's part, and might actually be something in the ROM that simply didn't surface on the dev's phone, but is still something that needs to be addressed at the ROM level.
I totally accept that an issue the dev can't reproduce on his own phone is harder to resolve. But there are several devs who even make ROMs for phones they don't own anymore, and still manage to work with users to resolve issues. App devs do the same thing to resolve incompatibility bugs/issues with specific phone models the app dev don't own.
Also, restoring should take at most an hour with something like titanium backup. So 3+ hours is bull.
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Not quite. Just the backup alone takes 45+ mins on my phone. The restore is the same amount, so you've got 1.5 hours right there without taking into account everything else that TB doesn't handle that needs to be reconfigured by hand, or the actual flashing, and tracking down other surprises. And because I apparently am one of the few people who care about their data, I also back up my internal SD... just in-case something goes wrong. I know the wipe shouldn't touch it... but "**** happens" and if something goes wrong during a flash and I didn't have a backup, it'd be my own fault and I'd be subsequently flamed for that. So I play it safe.
Once again, a case of users for whom its quick trying to tell everyone else they're full of BS. I accept that for some users, whether it's the # of apps, amount of data, or whatever, it goes fast for them. Lucky them. Why can't they accept the fact that it's not "10 mins" for everyone like they spread around and flame others for suggesting otherwise?

Ok Here is the thing. I have personally been flashing and making custom roms for phones as far back as the Motorola razor v3. I have multiple phone running the exact same firmware, set up the exact same way and the have run totally differently. If all phone were made equal then there would be no returns due to issues the phone had as they would have all run the same and acted the same as the units that the OEM quality control tested. Lets take the Black Jack 2 as an example. The BJII was a WM phone that would self corrupt the system/media folder. This prevented any ringtones from working and the OS had to be reflashed. All this running on Stock firmware. This didnt happen to all of them, but became a well known glitch to anyone that did cell phone troubleshooting and repair. Did you ever stop to think why OEM and carriers dont use the roms from places like XDA? This is because things here are always under development. There will always be bugs. In the end the developers are making things for their phones and are nice enough to share it for others to use. Some do keep making roms for phones they dont have as this is overly not hard to do. They do this just to be nice. Except for the hardware drivers most of the under lying OS is all the same.
If a dev cant reproduce it then there is no way for them to fix it with the way people tend to report bugs. (The wrong way without the proper info)
Now lets jump to the present. I have 4 phones sitting on my desk. 2 are the HTC Inspire and 2 are the Samsung Captivate. Both running the exact same rom and apps, but guess what. They run very differently. On 1 Inspire and 1 captivate, I can OC to almost double, while the other 2 cant handle more then 1.2 over clock.
One of them also doesnt like the AOSP based software while the others are fine.
As for your backing up and restoring. It can take a long time if you have a TON of apps. Flashing custom roms are not for everyone. If you dont have the time or the want to learn something then you are doing it for the wrong reasons.

sremick said:
He can start by not flaming the several people experiencing it (which scares away others also experiencing it, self-validating him and making him think the problem is less-common than it really is)
There's a difference between a problem being simply difficult for a dev to pin down and solve, and just attacking any user who dares bring up an issue that the dev himself isn't experiencing. Therein lies the hypocrisy, though: if "all phones are different", then a dev has to accept that a problem a user is experiencing might not be the result of stupidity on the user's part, and might actually be something in the ROM that simply didn't surface on the dev's phone, but is still something that needs to be addressed at the ROM level.
I totally accept that an issue the dev can't reproduce on his own phone is harder to resolve. But there are several devs who even make ROMs for phones they don't own anymore, and still manage to work with users to resolve issues. App devs do the same thing to resolve incompatibility bugs/issues with specific phone models the app dev don't own.
Not quite. Just the backup alone takes 45+ mins on my phone. The restore is the same amount, so you've got 1.5 hours right there without taking into account everything else that TB doesn't handle that needs to be reconfigured by hand, or the actual flashing, and tracking down other surprises. And because I apparently am one of the few people who care about their data, I also back up my internal SD... just in-case something goes wrong. I know the wipe shouldn't touch it... but "**** happens" and if something goes wrong during a flash and I didn't have a backup, it'd be my own fault and I'd be subsequently flamed for that. So I play it safe.
Once again, a case of users for whom its quick trying to tell everyone else they're full of BS. I accept that for some users, whether it's the # of apps, amount of data, or whatever, it goes fast for them. Lucky them. Why can't they accept the fact that it's not "10 mins" for everyone like they spread around and flame others for suggesting otherwise?
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I agree with your point about the dev/user relationship. It can get pretty hostile sometimes which is completely unnecessary. Recently, I've been trying to emphasize the respect rule, regardless of who you are. Patience and cooperation can go a long way. And as zelendel said, sometimes people do report stuff the wrong way, but there's no need to be rude about it. Again, patience goes a long way.
Back to the main thing though, I'm not entirely sure how 2 fresh-out-of-the-box phones would work with the same settings and ROMs, but as others said, environmental and external factors can stress the phone and stuff just goes wrong. My phone, for example, would not operate the same as a fresh-out-of-the-box SGS2, even if you put the exact same stuff on it. Stuff just starts freaking out, and I'm pretty sure my phone is having hardware issues :[

A few questions about the VS985 - contacts editing, call blocking and others

I searched the web (and the thread suggestions are not similar) and found very little on these matters, so...
Some background first -
I have now owned the G3 for 6 days. This is my first android os phone and first "smart" phone I have owned. The closest thing I've owned to this was an apple iPod touch. I'm not a big apple fan, (its the only device I own sporting their logo) but I have to say after spending some time with this G3 for the last few days, I am beginning to appreciate some of intuitive elements of their design. I didn't consider the apple phone due to their "proprietary" connects, no readily available battery removal, no flash and no microSD. These are all features I feel really should be very "basic" at this stage of tech. However, after spending a few days with this unit, I'm not thinking these phones are as "smart" as the marketing selling them. Perhaps I'm wrong. Please feel free to offer a different viewpoint!
Now, don't get me wrong, while the layout is fairly decent, the camera is nice, the phone (telephony) seems to work fairly well so far, and the screen sure looks pretty - even if a bit huge to get a comfortable grip on - but customization (at least in stock form) seems somewhat limited. This phone seems setup to waste time not to conserve it.
2 days ago I wrote my first post on this forum - stating that basically, from my perspective of a short time with this phone and furthering research - this thing needs rooted just to customize it to the level I think might lead to a productive mini-computer and that seems like a whole lot of time expenditure for a device of which the battery only lasts a short workday and one that you have to keep protected from pretty much anything (bumps, water, etc.).
So here are some questions that I have not found answers to:
1. Why does this phone disallow me to edit a contact?
considerations: Some contacts have the "edit pencil" available and some do not. I have some contacts synced from facebook which I cannot edit (no pencil icon appears), yet my wife who has recently obtained a samsung note 4 & she has the edit pencil on all of her contacts, even the facebook synced ones. Not only do I want to sync the contacts from facebook (and other places), but I want to remove the facebook app and then keep the contacts on the phone. Is there a way to do this without adding yet another app?
2. Getting rid of "Rachel from card services" - yeah tell me you people haven't dealt with this lady burning up your phone - chief call spammer of USA... No offense to Rachel, but I'm tired of answering her calls. Why is it that allegedly on other non-Verizon versions of the G3 the user is able to block spammer's calls (call blocking), yet this one doesn't? Where is this feature of this phone? Am I missing something here, because I have looked all over and I have not found this feature on the phone.
Multiple cases of lockup - meaning I tap on the screen on an icon designed to make something happen and yet nothing happens. No response. Zero. This seems to be intermittent, but it happens. Is this a typical experience with these phones?
I was sold on the G3 because I noted & appreciated some of the features that came with it - but now I find myself seriously considering returning this phone - but then if I did, what would I even replace it with?

What gives?

Honestly, I've been using android since it first started and this is the most dead forum for development I've ever been on. I think this is a great phone, is there something I'm missing as to why it died off so quickly? Or is this simply how tech is evolving now, and since people upgrade so frequently, essentially by the time you buy a phone you cannot even count on a dev community anymore, or at least not for more than a couple months. That means custom roms depend on the companies roms, so for the most part you're just going to get tweaked stock roms, and when you get ditched by the company, you're stuck on that android version forever. With the way companies update (or lack thereof), I'm going to end up being pushed away from android. I used to rely on the community, and frequently donated. If using android means buying a new phone every three months so as to avoid getting left behind, count me out

I'm no expert, but it could also be because of the Exynos. I've read that it's much easier to develop for Snapdragon.

C_Karhu said:
I'm no expert, but it could also be because of the Exynos. I've read that it's much easier to develop for Snapdragon.
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That is definitely a factor for sure, but even for custom kernels, etc. It is very slow. Seems like users ditched out in droves. I've had other exynos devices that didn't die nearly as quickly.

WatchChat for Wear OS

Hi
I have been thinking about why has nobody created an app like WatchChat but for Wear OS
I have no idea how to create it, but I think if you create it you will earn a lot of money. A lot of people would be happy to pay for a suscription to use that
It sucks to only be able to answer notifications and not being able to open a chat and write
Smart Watches has a lot of potential, But there aren't many apps available

yes we can do a lot of money with this

Hey everyone, actually I also had a Wear OS version in the store for like a year however it wasn't financially viable to keep it online so I had to pull it unfortunately.
Probably the biggest issue was piracy which is a huge problem especially on the Play Store but even with that factored out, there unfortunately wasn't much money to be made. Besides that, on Android you generally have a much lower conversion rate due to people expecting stuff for free.
Not blaming anyone, back when I was in school I'd rather put hours into finding a crack and installing dodgy APK's (soft bricking my device and on the bright side learning a lot along the way) instead of simply paying 50 cents for an app, I definitely know where some people are coming from with that and I can't judge - but the bottom line is the same, I wasn't able to justify putting any more work into this since it couldn't attract many people so I had to drop it.
I may get back to Android development at some point, maybe things have changed since then but at the moment that's the status.

alexbassapps said:
Hey everyone, actually I also had a Wear OS version in the store for like a year however it wasn't financially viable to keep it online so I had to pull it unfortunately.
Probably the biggest issue was piracy which is a huge problem especially on the Play Store but even with that factored out, there unfortunately wasn't much money to be made. Besides that, on Android you generally have a much lower conversion rate due to people expecting stuff for free.
Not blaming anyone, back when I was in school I'd rather put hours into finding a crack and installing dodgy APK's (soft bricking my device and on the bright side learning a lot along the way) instead of simply paying 50 cents for an app, I definitely know where some people are coming from with that and I can't judge - but the bottom line is the same, I wasn't able to justify putting any more work into this since it couldn't attract many people so I had to drop it.
I may get back to Android development at some point, maybe things have changed since then but at the moment that's the status.
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I just sold my Galaxy Watch 4 Classic, I will switch to Apple Watch because I really need an app like WatchChat
I don't like iPhones, I was very happy with the S21 Ultra, but I'm a medical student and I need to check my messages fast and write fast too and I can't take out my phone because I'm not allowed to

Question Pixel 6 or Pixel 6 Pro with CalyxOS?

Hello, I am currently a privacy novice trying to learn about different avenues of where I can get help to better protect myself. I see apple devices and I like the fact that they have a closed ecosystem per device, but I don’t like the fact that they are all interconnected with each other; it freaks me out that someone else with an Apple device could very easily connect to mine. That’s why CalyxOS stood out to me, because what it looks like from the outside-in is a decentralized form of android device, without all of the Google strings attached. I’d honestly rather use it than Graphene, because the people over on the graphene forums are kinda toxic to be honest. I have no knowledge of how to install operating systems, however, and I’m afraid that I could easily screw it up. Does Calyx sell any Pixel 6/Pixel 6 Pro models that I could buy to get started?

Welcome. I'm probably a terrible example but oh well. I had time to kill and been stuck on this topic myself since the early 90s.
If you're serious about privacy to the point that you are worried about other devices as you mentioned, I highly suggest (seriously, not trying to be a ****) you take some online courses on the fundamentals of telecommunications, and do some "light" reading on topics likeLinux Kernel, enterprise networking, Signals Intelligence, and Section 215 metadata collection. thats a decent starting point to the state of things. Though it's just a shinny coin on a string to distract while the real work continues. It must always continue. It will never stop.
I'm sorry to tell you.
It's too late. In any practical sense short of finding somewhere to go love in a cave until you starve or die from a infection a 99¢ tube of cream could have prevented.
You can have a privacy focused phone. It can keep certain things safe. Stop some people from doing things. Delay an outcome. You're gonna need to learn about installing an OS though. It gets pretty complex rather quickly.
Nothing is safe. Every lock can be picked or bypassed. There is no such thing as a door only you can use. The last place anything is truly a secret is in your head. When you are the only person in the entire world with the right permissions.
There was a window when we could have made meaningful and lasting choices in how protocols, standards, regulations, and laws were adopted. Back when it was all just a few hundred trunk lines, IXPs and NOC with good intentions, and tragically short sight. Lots of people screaming at the top of their lungs about the potential outcomes. Tinfoil hats were worn. Turns out we were right.
When you wrap your brain around what the "internet" really is...it's similar to getting a small sliver of understanding; grasping ever so lightly; the brain breaking inconceivable scale of the infinite universe and how infinitesimally small we are. The remnants of a dead stars clumped together pondering its own own existence. Connecting wires together and making things beyond our capabilities. The amount of data being exchanged right now ain't ****. It's bonkers, but it won't be next year, or next or the next.
The rate at which machine learning and the race to general AI is going, watch for the casualties along the way. one example is encryption as we know it. Gone. It'll be rendered trivial by 2040 MAYBE. Honestly that's a really high estimate. Likely before.
Post quantum encryption is just about as experimentally verifiable as string theory. Won't be long though before we get a chance to see if itll hold up. The Xbox is older than the time we have left. The Patriot Act as well.
Practice basic OPsec. Best Practices. Trust few, tell fewer. Read. Read some more. Then read the book. Every question you could ever think of likely has a 12 year old thread at a slackexchange site and no shortage of users ready to remind you how tired they are of duplicates. The community at grapheneOS is similar. On that though. Best to just go to the source. He tries to explain things without just speaking in jargon. Daniel Micay himself on the matter of android security.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GrapheneOS/comments/bddq5u
and
https://www.reddit.com/r/GrapheneOS/comments/du23la
There is no shortage of people currently who disagree with him even though they have little to no grasp on the complexity of what it is he actually intended. Ran into one of them myself, on this site, just the other day. Sure, It's hardneded, but what that means from user to user is drastically different.
It's more than some. It'll fit some use cases. But it's just a speck in a cloud. If you attract the attention of a human being with skills and motivation...good luck my dude. Godspeed.
The real thought experiment and one of my favorites to fall asleep to on nights I actually sleep is "what are they going to do with all the encrypted data they hoovered up and have been storing for the last 30-40 years? Once AI turns the encryption algorithms that humanity runs on into a half finished cheap dollar store sudoku." How long does any one reckon that'll be the case before us plebs hear about it. We got a good track record, as a collective species in doing the right thing, right? No way they will actually use what is functionally a rewind button on...well everything. Nah, it'll be fine.
Oh look, Lapsus$ group woke up, posted a new dump... Wonder how much Globant spend on securing their stuff. Probably more than me.
--just a jaded old man

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