Fast wireless charging takes about 25% longer than my Galaxy S8+. Wired charging seems noticeably slower as well. This is using the exact same chargers for both phones. Is this an issue, or should charging times improve as battery stats stabilize over time?
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I don't have a fast wireless charger, but charging time (fast or normal) plugged in seems about the same as my S7 Edge.
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Coming from the s3 which I thought charged really fast. This phone seems to crawl. anyone else think the same?
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It's the opposite if you use the supplied charger.
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^^ what he said. 5v and 2.0amps is like double the normal chargers... 2.0amp is crazy fast... from 32% to full in just under an hour
Yup I bought an extra one on Amazon because of how slow my old charger charges it. It's like trying to charge a laptop with a phone charger haha you need the more powerful charger. My car charger claims its 1amp too but I feel like it charges super fast too.
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Thank you all and good to know. That's one thing I never read about. Gonna have to buy a few spares
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Coming from the s3 which I thought charged really fast. This phone seems to crawl. anyone else think the same?
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I have the same prob. Charged about 7% in 30 mins (using the supplied charger). Charges fine when I use my N7 charger though. I'm gonna have to check the charger when I get home.
Just for the hell of it, here is my how my charge is going right now:
7% - plugged in at 3:22
21% - 3:31
33% - 3:42
44% - 3:52
57% - 4:04
83% - 4:28
For what its worth I don't have this issue with charging - s4 charges comparable to s3 HOWEVER i am not using stock charging that came with the box, I am using cables i have had from before and sometimes even use the USB to wall plugs from Apple and/or BB or whatever I have had lying around - seems to work well.
With a 5V 2 amp charger it goes like a bat out of he'll, using my thunderbolt's 5V 1 amp charger it's quite slow.
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i have noticed that having it plugged into either a car charger or a computer, it does NOT charge very quickly... not to the point where it is annoying but, slow enough to notice a difference...
If i take the cable from the box and plug it into my USB hub (it has it's own power source also) if im using it for much other then file transfers i can still lose power off battery. It just seems to slow the battery drain instead of just charging slower then plugged into the wall with the 5V 2amp plug. Now obviously if I'm not doing much with the phone while on the USB it will charge but much slower then the wall charging
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If i take the cable from the box and plug it into my USB hub (it has it's own power source also) if im using it for much other then file transfers i can still lose power off battery. It just seems to slow the battery drain instead of just charging slower then plugged into the wall with the 5V 2amp plug. Now obviously if I'm not doing much with the phone while on the USB it will charge but much slower then the wall charging
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That's to be expected when plugged into a source that's limited to 500 mA.
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vue said:
For what its worth I don't have this issue with charging - s4 charges comparable to s3 HOWEVER i am not using stock charging that came with the box, I am using cables i have had from before and sometimes even use the USB to wall plugs from Apple and/or BB or whatever I have had lying around - seems to work well.
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Bear in mind that the phone will charge faster using the stock cable than it will with other cables.
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My s4 flies on the charger.
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Same here...on stock charger my phone charges v3ry quickly. Are you rooted with special ROM? Are you using non samsung charger?
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Ok, there's something else going on here. Maybe its software related.
My S4 will only charge fast on the supplied charger. The cable doesn't seem to matter; I tested a bunch of them. I have an assortment of other 2A chargers and none do better then barely keeping up with power useage; hardly any charging at all. Again, the usb cord doesn't seem to make any difference.
Now, I've read mention of a "fast charge" feature that the kernel developers are "turning on". I haven't found a good explanation of what exactly that means but it appears to me that Samsung tried to make the device only charge at the full rate using their chargers and at a minimal trickle charge rate for all others even if they are capable of the full 2A output.
Then there is the problem of buying extra Samsung chargers since there appear to be a lot of knock-offs that will not get the phone to charge at full rate.
What a stupid thing to be such a PITA.
Anyone have any solid info on this?
just about every samsumg device either needs a kernel hack or an adapter to get fast charge off of a non-samsung charger. you can grab a few of these:
http://dx.com/p/usb-data-charging-extension-cable-for-samsung-p1000-black-91141
and use them with just about any 2amp charger with no problems on my old galaxy tablets or my galaxy note and nexus getting fast charge(nexus even charges faster on the 2amp - hope i don't blow it up!).
Fast charge from my understanding is just turning off the data connection when plugged into a computer. This allows for higher usb charge rates, it also helps certain wireless charging setups. I am coming from a gnex where this was the terminology, I assume it's similar. Fast charge shouldn't do much for you if you are having trouble with 2amp chargers, but maybe in this case Samsung limits through put when it doesn't recognize the charging unit? If fast charge tweaks somehow disable this, then I guess it's possible you would enjoy increase in charge rate though I have no verification on that.
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Well, I have to discount my own theory. I have some off-brand adapter and cable to charge in my car that works great.
I sure would like to know what's going on with the chargers in my house.
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Fast charge from my understanding is just turning off the data connection when plugged into a computer. This allows for higher usb charge rates, it also helps certain wireless charging setups. I am coming from a gnex where this was the terminology, I assume it's similar. Fast charge shouldn't do much for you if you are having trouble with 2amp chargers, but maybe in this case Samsung limits through put when it doesn't recognize the charging unit? If fast charge tweaks somehow disable this, then I guess it's possible you would enjoy increase in charge rate though I have no verification on that.
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There's a problem with semantics going on. Fast charge is exactly what you're used to it being on the GN. What's being referenced here is quick charge, a feature of later Snapdragon SoC's.
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fast charging is rapid charge where near full power is transferred. in the gn2, gnote 10.1, gnex, and gtab10.1 the max i got was ~1600mA with all my 2.1A chargers including the samsung charger. the rapid charge continues to 90% and then switches to trickle - anywhere from 400-900mA til 100%. without the adapter you're stuck at trickle, even at under 90%. some chargers seem to have it built in to rapid charge,but most don't.
i've never gotten a full 2100mA from any charger yet.
you can find schematics on how to build your own adapter in one of these samsung boards. i think there was a very detailed one in the gnote10.1 forum.
is there any tw 4.4.2 kernel with fast charge ? my note 3 is charging very slow from usb ( dont want to bring the wall charger everywhere i go )
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is there any tw 4.4.2 kernel with fast charge ? my note 3 is charging very slow from usb ( dont want to bring the wall charger everywhere i go )
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't know fast charge was Kernel specific. Thought it had to do with the cable and plug in?
Any-ways, my two cents are no there is NOT.
With the fast charge app that looks like a battery it is kernel spefic. When u run the application it will either work or say kernel is not supported
The output of a typical computer USB port is a half an amp at five volts DC. If you get a charger, wall or cigarette plug, that is meant for an iPad, it will output 2.1 amps at five volts. It's best, for the battery life and phone, if you don't use a modded kernel for fast charging. Batteries last longer, overall life before replacing them, if they are slow charged. Heat from rapid charging will reduce the overall lifespan of a battery. I'm talking tech like in one hour or less chargers for AA batteries but it still holds true for lithium ion. Heat and hitting a battery hard with an aggressive charging circuit will kill a battery faster. My suggestion is to use a charger that has a max output of 2.1amps, like used with the stock and iPad chargers, to recharge the battery if you're impatient. Better yet, get an official Samsung external charger with battery so you can rotate batteries and have one charging or charged without forcing yourself to have the phone tethered to a charger often. There have been high profile instances where extended capacity batteries have burned up a phone, when charging, because the electronics of the battery were crap or the cells were of crappy quality. Be safe, be smart. Samsung OEM batteries might be expensive and low run time, but they won't usually cause a phone to go into meltdown mode because of their subpar electronics or cells.
Is it possible to edit our max charge rate or enable qualcomm quick charge 2.0 where the hell are these settings on our phone.
It really just depends on your charger block. I noticed that the Samsung Galaxy Tab S 8 inch tablet has a charging block with higher amperage than the Sony ones. Puts out more charge, but I notice the device does get hotter than the usual charger. It could just be me since I don't usually sit there to compare heat differences in a charger.
With Ampere though, festively notice more charge going in.
I've noticed the same thing. When I use a Note 4 or Note5 charger, the device becomes increasingly hotter but definitely charges faster. Ironically, if the phone completely dies and shuts off, it will not accept a charge from any of the Samsung charges that I have in the house due to an error message saying that the charger is not supported.
I got a pop up window when using a note 4 charger to stop using it and use the official cord. Wouldn't charge all the way.
I am using the stock charger for my galaxy s6 and on my charger it shows a rating of 5v at 2.0A but when i test it with "Ampere" app, it shows 1020mA maximum. Is it supposed to charge at this speed? I am using a good quality cable with gold plated connectors and 24awg core. I also tried two different wall outlets
Hey there,
It's a little quirk I have noticed with my phone too... it DOES charge faster... but only when the screen is off... when the screen is on its limited to around 1amp charging...
Hey, is it safe to use original 45W Samsung charger daily? Got it for nice price ($25) from friend's shop.
I read somewhere it's not recommend to use 45W. Also I read S20+ supports 25W only.
Thank you for answers.
It is safe to use the charger but I am not sure if it will be able to charge it at 25W also.
So if I will use 45W, charging will be the same as with original charger?
Tried it, remaining time to fully charged is showing the same with both chargers.
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So if I will use 45W, charging will be the same as with original charger?
Tried it, remaining time to fully charged is showing the same with both chargers.
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I have the 45w charger. Charging speed depends on the phone temperature. The phone slows down the charging when phone temperature gets high. It's marginally faster than the one that came with the phone. But it's super fast charging for the first 30 minutes or so compared to our of the box.
So i use the 45w charger at office when I need to charge the phone fast and seldom fully charge it as I would unplug it and go somewhere else.
At home I just plug in the charger that came with the phone for overnight charging. Perhaps not the best to leave it charging overnight but I need a full battery next day.
Even if the charger provides 45w, the phone will only pull what is needed from the charger itself. So if the phone limits itself to 25w, then thats all it will use from the charge available.
Equally, if the charge provided is lower than the maximum the phone can use (i.e. 25w phone but 15w charger), then it will use the maximum from the charge available.
Chargers these days offer a multitude of different voltages and amp ratings, but they are smart and will only send what is requested by the device that is plugged in so there's no chance of accidental over-voltage.
I too have the 45W samsung travel charger and did a comparison on power draw compared to the 25W charger that is included with the phone. I used both the USB C cable that came with the phone (Black) and the thicker cable that came with the 45W charger (White), while measuring the power draw using a power consumption meter that was plugged into the wall between the charger and the outlet. My phone was at 40% charge when I tested. The results are shocking.
Included 25W charger
Phone's Black cable - 27.9 W
Charger's White cable - 27.2 W
Samsung 45W travel charger
Phone's Black cable - 29.7 W
Charger's White cable - 31.3 W
The similar power draw explains the charging speed difference of 10 minutes which many reviewers on youtube have observed. Taking another step, I have read that the S20 Ultra requires the charger to support PPS to achieve (10V, 4.5A) in order to charge at 45W. So why does the 45W travel charger only support (15V, 3A), (20V, 2.25A), (3.3-11V, 4.05A), (3.3-16V, 2.8A) and (3.3-21V, 2.1A)? Even the best case scenario would be to use the (3.3-11V, 4.05A) PPS profile and set it to (10V, 4.05A) to give only 40.5W. I smell a rat.
Interesting. I have also measured power draw but my results are bit diferent.
45W charger was getting up to 41W for 4 mins.
On overall charging speed 0-100% the diference is 10mins, but after charging 20mins I'm getting 54% on 45W and 37% on stock.
17% in 20mins it's a lot of difference.
45W is slowing down up to 1A after that to cool down the phone. 25w have similar behaviour.
Baseus 65W PPS chargers triggers SFC 2.0 but it takes more than 2h to charge fully. Amperage is oscilating as hell.
my Huawei 65w laptop Charger charges my S20U much quicker than the 25w charger i find...
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Interesting. I have also measured power draw but my results are bit diferent.
45W charger was getting up to 41W for 4 mins.
On overall charging speed 0-100% the diference is 10mins, but after charging 20mins I'm getting 54% on 45W and 37% on stock.
17% in 20mins it's a lot of difference.
45W is slowing down up to 1A after that to cool down the phone. 25w have similar behaviour.
Baseus 65W PPS chargers triggers SFC 2.0 but it takes more than 2h to charge fully. Amperage is oscilating as hell.
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I have been continuously testing and found that if your phone has less than 30% battery and the battery temperature is under 33 ºC, it will charge at 40W. After that, it drops to 30W for the remainder of the charge and then drop again to 20W when the battery is above 80%.
Next step is to find a good battery data logging app which logs battery percentage, battery temperature, charging current and time. Surprising to find that not many apps can do this. Even the Battery Charging Monitor app doesn't log all that data.