What's wrong with that battery? It drains damn fast.
Im using Nova launcher rnow and phone is kinda laggy at scrolling and battery is also draining quick af..
Any suggestions?
p.s factory launcher sucks.
Try https://forum.xda-developers.com/elephone-s8/review/standby-drain-t3740440
Now I've had an opportunity to experiment - my phone finally arrived yesterday - I find that uninstalling the two adups apks dramatically improves battery life on my device.. Of course you have to go through all the rigmarole of installing adb and so on. And for all I know the com.adups.fota and com.adups.fota.sysoper packages were doing something important other than spying. Without them I can certainly forget about OTA updates. But I can live without that till Oreo comes out for the s8 and then factory-reset before installing it. Or install it by hand ...
Anyway, ymmv, but right now this phone is behaving as if it had the amount of battery it has. Which makes it an awfully nice device for the price!
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Now I've had an opportunity to experiment - my phone finally arrived yesterday - I find that uninstalling the two adups apks dramatically improves battery life on my device.. Of course you have to go through all the rigmarole of installing adb and so on. And for all I know the com.adups.fota and com.adups.fota.sysoper packages were doing something important other than spying. Without them I can certainly forget about OTA updates. But I can live without that till Oreo comes out for the s8 and then factory-reset before installing it. Or install it by hand ...
Anyway, ymmv, but right now this phone is behaving as if it had the amount of battery it has. Which makes it an awfully nice device for the price!
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oh man, if battery it's dramatically improved. Please let me know how the heck can I remove fota packages..! Is there a guide? I'm a newbie on Android. (iPhone user for a long time)
Sure, steverway, it's not hard once you've installed ADB. There's a tutorial on doing that at https://www.xda-developers.com/install-adb-windows-macos-linux/ .
Then you just - wait, before I say "then you just" I should say YOU DO THESE THINGS AT YOUR OWN RISK - this worked great for me, no idea if this will brick your phone or make it blow up in your face - I mean I don't think this is harmful but you start dicking around with the thing whatever happens is on you - anyway, then you just:
0) turn on developer options on the phone by tapping the build number 7 times
1) turn on usb debugging in the developer options and plug the phone into your computer
2) do "adb devices" on the command line and then on the phone give permissions in the dialog box that pops up
3) There should be a message on the command line that says your phone is a registered device. If it says unregistered, unplug and replug the usb and do the previous steps over again.
4) type "adb shell" on the command line
5) remove the two offending apks by typing:
pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.adups.fota
pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.adups.fota.sysoper
6) type exit and then unplug and restart the phone
Right now I'm getting about 30 hours of normal use from the phone between charges. I'd guess that's about 6 hours of SOT but standby drain is super-low too. And I wasn't seeing that kind of performance before I removed the spyware even though I'd also:
a) used Greenify - free from the play store
b) turned off location history and anything else I can turn off to do with location in google maps - there's some kind of bug in its use of the GPS where it polls it like 300 times a minute
c) turned off duraspeed - which is reportedly bloat - and
d) under developer options, limited the number of background apps to 3
Which are all probably good ideas as well! Anyway couldn't be happier with battery life now - it's far better than my old oneplus one ever was.
Oh, one more tip - the charger that comes with the phone is junk. Takes like 3 hours for a full charge. So go buy a fast charger. This phone now charges from zero to full in about 90 minutes for me. I know that's slow compared with flagships but ... well, this device cost $200 USD, couldn't be happier!
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oh man, if battery it's dramatically improved. Please let me know how the heck can I remove fota packages..! Is there a guide? I'm a newbie on Android. (iPhone user for a long time)
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Sure, steverway, it's not hard once you've installed ADB. There's a tutorial on doing that at https://www.xda-developers.com/install-adb-windows-macos-linux/ .
Then you just - wait, before I say "then you just" I should say YOU DO THESE THINGS AT YOUR OWN RISK - this worked great for me, no idea if this will brick your phone or make it blow up in your face - I mean I don't think this is harmful but you start dicking around with the thing whatever happens is on you - anyway, then you just:
0) turn on developer options on the phone by tapping the build number 7 times
1) turn on usb debugging in the developer options and plug the phone into your computer
2) do "adb devices" on the command line and then on the phone give permissions in the dialog box that pops up
3) There should be a message on the command line that says your phone is a registered device. If it says unregistered, unplug and replug the usb and do the previous steps over again.
4) type "adb shell" on the command line
5) remove the two offending apks by typing:
pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.adups.fota
pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.adups.fota.sysoper
6) type exit and then unplug and restart the phone
Right now I'm getting about 30 hours of normal use from the phone between charges. I'd guess that's about 6 hours of SOT but standby drain is super-low too. And I wasn't seeing that kind of performance before I removed the spyware even though I'd also:
a) used Greenify - free from the play store
b) turned off location history and anything else I can turn off to do with location in google maps - there's some kind of bug in its use of the GPS where it polls it like 300 times a minute
c) turned off duraspeed - which is reportedly bloat - and
d) under developer options, limited the number of background apps to 3
Which are all probably good ideas as well! Anyway couldn't be happier with battery life now - it's far better than my old oneplus one ever was.
Oh, one more tip - the charger that comes with the phone is junk. Takes like 3 hours for a full charge. So go buy a fast charger. This phone now charges from zero to full in about 90 minutes for me. I know that's slow compared with flagships but ... well, this device cost $200 USD, couldn't be happier!
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First of all Thank you for your time. You guide was 100% helpful. So after a long wait for a possible Oreo update I was finally tired. And followed the demonstration to remove adups. Everything went well, but I don't feel there is a huge battery change. Just feeling a little more smoothy experience with the apps. Maybe it's greenify which helps a lot. I don't know. Where can I check Screen on time ?
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First of all Thank you for your time. You guide was 100% helpful. So after a long wait for a possible Oreo update I was finally tired. And followed the demonstration to remove adups. Everything went well, but I don't feel there is a huge battery change. Just feeling a little more smoothy experience with the apps. Maybe it's greenify which helps a lot. I don't know. Where can I check Screen on time ?
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I think you should increase the battery capacity to improve battery lifetime.
If you switch one battery parallel. That increase the mAh (heavier + thicker)
You can buckle up a little power-bank on you elephone back
A big screen + MTK 10 cores make a lot of battery drain ....
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I think you should increase the battery capacity to improve battery lifetime.
If you switch one battery parallel. That increase the mAh (heavier + thicker)
You can buckle up a little power-bank on you elephone back
A big screen + MTK 10 cores make a lot of battery drain ....
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Always having a power bank with me the last years. I think I'm a heavy user. Because some people get 1-2 days and I'm only getting about 9-10 hours.
I only estimated the SOT I'm getting - not certain whether there's an actual measurement of it in there somewhere.
I think you're correct that Greenify helps, but have recently found Hibernation Manager is really fantastic at getting rid of drain while the screen's off. I've only started to triy it out today but was really amazed.
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First of all Thank you for your time. You guide was 100% helpful. So after a long wait for a possible Oreo update I was finally tired. And followed the demonstration to remove adups. Everything went well, but I don't feel there is a huge battery change. Just feeling a little more smoothy experience with the apps. Maybe it's greenify which helps a lot. I don't know. Where can I check Screen on time ?
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I only estimated the SOT I'm getting - not certain whether there's an actual measurement of it in there somewhere.
I think you're correct that Greenify helps, but have recently found Hibernation Manager is really fantastic at getting rid of drain while the screen's off. I've only started to triy it out today but was really amazed.
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Is that a greenify alternative ? Or you use them together?
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Is that a greenify alternative ? Or you use them together?
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I think on MTK-processor: Duraspeeed + whitelist is the most saving method, because you can turn off all services automatically and more than turn off all, can't be done ....
But tring goes over thinking and dreaming ?
I'm using them together atm. I might try dumping greenify after a couple of days and see if that has an impact. But right now standby drain is a horizontal thing o' beauty. After a couple of days I should be able to say more about how well it works with my typical use.
Also on my list above I forgot to say to turn off wifi and bluetooth when you're not using them ...
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Is that a greenify alternative ? Or you use them together?
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Interesting. I didn't think Duraspeed did much of anything so turned it off. Can you say more about what you see it doing and what kind of impact it has on your device?
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I think on MTK-processor: Duraspeeed + whitelist is the most saving method, because you can turn off all services automatically and more than turn off all, can't be done ....
But tring goes over thinking and dreaming
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Not a big difference there. I think Duraspeed helps but even with Hibernation manager Im still getting 75% of the day with this phone. Tommorow I will just try just Duraspeed by itself because I think greenify does the exact same thing.
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Interesting. I didn't think Duraspeed did much of anything so turned it off. Can you say more about what you see it doing and what kind of impact it has on your device?
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If I'm looking on running apps (under development options) there is only what duraspeed accept.
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Not a big difference there. I think Duraspeed helps but even with Hibernation manager Im still getting 75% of the day with this phone. Tommorow I will just try just Duraspeed by itself because I think greenify does the exact same thing.
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I will know your experience, too.
Pls report ?
I was having serious battery issues--4 hours standby for a fully charged battery. The phone was also hot all the time. Used DuraSpeed to only allow things that I need running in the background, and that fixed the problem completely. I suspect that the culprit was Google Play (store and services). Not entirely sure how Whitelist helps though.
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I was having serious battery issues--4 hours standby for a fully charged battery. The phone was also hot all the time. Used DuraSpeed to only allow things that I need running in the background, and that fixed the problem completely. I suspect that the culprit was Google Play (store and services). Not entirely sure how Whitelist helps though.
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Do you think greenify helps? Or Duraspeed does the whole job?
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Interesting. I didn't think Duraspeed did much of anything so turned it off. Can you say more about what you see it doing and what kind of impact it has on your device?
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Is there a way to get back the adups package except Restoring the device????
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Do you think greenify helps? Or Duraspeed does the whole job?
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I'm very satisfied with DuraSpeed. I'm now getting battery life comparable to when the phone was brand new. I haven't tried Greenity, but it seems to do the same thing as DuraSpeed.
I think just root it and flash the new ROM if and when it's available. I haven't rooted mine yet but there are threads on here about how.
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I know battery has been diacussed before but i think this isnt normal. I left the office with almost full charge, listened to music on the.way with bluetoith headset for an hour. Got home and browsed for like half an hour. And here is my battery.
3 hours and the phone is almost dead. I have no apps running. I had 3g on when i left the officw and at home i used wifi.
Is this normal or should i take the.phone back for an exchange?
Regardless, i still love the phone.
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RETURN ZE PHONE
get a new shiny in exchange
btw when u return the phone what do u say exactly
Thats ridiculous man. Maybe you're battery is broken.
That said mine has just drained 35% in 3 hours with almost no usage so maybe it is just the phone.
I think there is 100% guaranteed a software problem and we need samsung to fix it.
It says you've had the display on for quite a long time, music needs the display on? Also that wifi sharing is another culprit.
It drained because you had the screen on nearly the entire time not because anything else
Unless thats a case of the 'phone staying awake' bug. You can freeze wifi sharing with titanium backup to save some juice
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I too am facing the same issue battery drain from 100% to 60% in a span of 3 hours.
I am having a mediocre usage of battery with touchdown as my mail client talking to my corporate exchange. Still it doesn't warrant a drain of 40% in 3 hours.
I dont have much apps installed. Even with juice defender I am not getting better results.
Niket
ale922 said:
Is this normal or should i take the.phone back for an exchange?
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You could say it's normal because if you haven't yet rooted and frozen the wifi sharing process this is the exact behavior everybody else is also having. A new phone will behave in exactly the same way if it's using the current firmware.
You can do two things.
1. root and freeze the process with titanium backup or similar.
2. wait for the next official samsung firmware which may include a fix.
The rooting process takes about 15 minutes and is not too difficult. You may or may not get in to warranty trouble in case of repair, but as I and several of my friends saw it, there really is no other way unless you want a phone with 3-4 hours of battery compared to the 19-23 hours we all get now after the freeze.
Another thing, it won't matter if wifi is turned on or off, the bug and wifi sharing process will still be there.
You will probably read around the net that several processes has to be frozen, but it really only is the "wifi sharing" one that needs to be frozen for the battery drain issue to go away.
What is the "wifi-sharing"?
Mine GS2 is a bit different from the OP's. Android OS occupied 45% while Display only 19%. And charging time is unusually long. Very long. I plugged my GS2 into PC at 9am with 30% left, and by the time I left work 6pm it only got up to 75% something. That's half a day charge.
The rooting process takes about 15 minutes and is not too difficult. You may or may not get in to warranty trouble in case of repair, but as I and several of my friends saw it, there really is no other way unless you want a phone with 3-4 hours of battery compared to the 19-23 hours we all get now after the freeze.
Sorry, whats the freeze. I haven't heard this before ?
Thanks
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What is the "wifi-sharing"?
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I don't really know. But I haven't found a feature not working after the freeze. Even dlna sharing, hotspot etc.. Everything seems to be fine.
You can read more about the issue here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1069295
Regarding the unusual long charge time, I haven't heard about that before. It takes my phone about 3 hours to fully charge.
I can recommend this application for monitoring if the phone really sleeps when left on the table and which processes uses your juice in general. It's history based and you will be able to figure out a lot of useful stuff with it.
http://www.appbrain.com/app/systempanellite-task-manager/nextapp.systempanel
I'm also have a similar problem, but mine was after one hour and an half of web surfing using dolphin HD and wifi... it was full, it's now about 25% remaining... Is it normal that the dolphin browser used 39% of the battery ? It's even more than the display... !
Ps: it's actually really hot on the back of the phone, on the top, just under camera... Normal ? ? ?
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whats the freeze. I haven't heard this before ?
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Well. When you have rooted your phone, you are able to do a lot of usefull stuff:
-Freeze processes
-Disable the camera shutter sound with a simple property/text file
-Make the middle home screen the real home (like htc sense) with a simple property/text file,
-Replace camera.apk and get higher quality sound in video, actually also higher video bitrate if you want that.
-Replace talk.apk and enable the upcoming google talk with video chat
-Install chainfire3d driver to be able to play tegra2 gpu based games
...and probably a lot more, but above is the only things I've done.
Freezing means : that you lock a process you don't want to run ever. You are also able to "un-freeze" if you decide to revert.
So:
1. you root your phone
2. you install titanium backup or other application that has the "freezing" ability.
3. open the freezing app, go to the process list, find "wifi sharing", press freeze, reboot
Problem solved, "wifi-sharing" will never run again.
You want to revert: Launch titanium, go to process list, find wifi sharing, unfreeze, reboot. Everything back to where you were before.
Yarymo said:
I'm also have a similar problem, but mine was after one hour and an half of web surfing using dolphin HD and wifi... it was full, it's now about 25% remaining... Is it normal that the dolphin browser used 39% of the battery ? It's even more than the display... !
Ps: it's actually really hot on the back of the phone, on the top, just under camera... Normal ? ? ?
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I really don't think anything matters as I can see you have the wifi-sharing bug.
You must understand, that it's everybody with the current firmware that has this bug. You must either wait or root and freeze.
Sucking up your battery in a couple of hours and making the cpu run at full speed which makes the phone get hot is exactly what this wifi-sharing bug does.
There is absolutely no way you can change anything in the settings or say, not run dolphin browser to fix this problem. You simply have to freeze the process or wait for samsung to fix it. As long as the wifi-sharing process enters your battery usage list you have the firmware that has the problem (and it's more than one) and your doomed until you freeze or upgrade to a future firmware where the bug may be officially fixed.
Just another "wifi-sharing" discussion link:
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=16721
Alright then, it's just that it doesn't seem me to be that much of the battery (~20%...)
I did just freeze that process and will see once my phone is fully charged... Thanks.
Try the lite'ning rom. It is much better!
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isnt this pretty normal looking battery drain? most people on this forum are getting about 4 hours screen-on time, sometimes 4.5 hours. yours seems to have the screen on about 4 hours from your graph picture. isnt this normal? if it was all gaming usage it definitely would be normal...
@OP, You mind to mention the Screen On time please?
Regards.
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Try the lite'ning rom. It is much better!
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oh, was that a constructive comment?
Anyone with some knowledge about the system and their workings (and what caused the battery drain), PLEASE HELP!
Attachment file is screenshots from GSAM, and the help I need is to understand what is causing it, or what would be just as nice is to learn how to stop it.
Basic info
Still .475 firmware
rooted with Vroot
Stamina off, but happens to an extent with but not as severly with Stamina on
I have Greenify installed, but doubt that this is the cause, since it happened before installation too
Only the chinese SU and Google+ disabled by going into system/apps
Here is the flow of what happened.
I Fully charged to 100%, disconnected and went to bed listening to podcasts (Beyond Pod)
I wake up 5 and 1/2 hrs later to find battery down to 15%
I open GSAM, take screenshots of what looks suspicious
I note that App usage is whopping 92%, where the screen is only accounting for 1.1% usage of screen.
Of the 90%+ of power used by apps, close look tells me is 44.7% is Android System, and 41% is Google services
Looking further into these 2 culprits, is where I get lost.
Is it something about wake lock? CPU usage (background)? WifiStateMachine is high up in the list of both Sysytem and Google services?
%numbers tells me that they are something to do with it, but I have no further understanding, thus powerless to prevent or cure.
As the first screenshot will tell u, when things were smooth, I get 15-16 hrs of Batt life
Any suggestions/actions???
If this is any hint, I have no idea, but once I remember seeing in notification bar a notice saying that some app was preventing Stamina mode from going into sleep mode...
It seems I faied to attach screenshots. Here are the missing ones in attachment
Interesting. I also use vroot and 475 kernel workaround to root my 510. Your phone clearly didn't enter deep sleep all that time.. Held awake for 5+ hours, and WiFi is on for almost 5 hours initiated by google service (strange, in my phone google service doesn't initiate WiFi on) but your first screenshot suggests that WiFi is active for only 33 minutes.. Looks like conflicting information.
My ZU also sucks a lot of power when held awake (not as fast as yours though - almost 100% in 5 hour is full screen-on for me; logging gps track with screen off is around 50% down in 4 hours) and the major power drain is the kernel, android service, and google service. Looks like a lot of background processing, but I can't figure out what's the specific cause(s) is..
For those with more proficiency in these things, is there any recommended place in the internet to start deciphering the power usage logs?
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For those with more proficiency in these things, is there any recommended place in the internet to start deciphering the power usage logs?
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Yes, please, anyone?
Just to give update on what has happened since....
Still on .475 HK Firmware.
I have traced back what apps I have installed (in order, un-installed them one by one)
I dont know if the conclusion I reach is correct or not, but results seem to have solved it.
The 2 apps I have rid since are GREENIFY and TITANIUM BACKUP.
My guess is that Greenify was maybe the culprit?
It worked well on my previous device. But Not Z Ultra. Is it because it is SD 800 and it takes different kind of working/updating to fully compliment this SoC, Z ultra being the first out with SD800?
Or am I barking up the wrong tree?
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Yes, please, anyone?
Just to give update on what has happened since....
Still on .475 HK Firmware.
I have traced back what apps I have installed (in order, un-installed them one by one)
I dont know if the conclusion I reach is correct or not, but results seem to have solved it.
The 2 apps I have rid since are GREENIFY and TITANIUM BACKUP.
My guess is that Greenify was maybe the culprit?
It worked well on my previous device. But Not Z Ultra. Is it because it is SD 800 and it takes different kind of working/updating to fully compliment this SoC, Z ultra being the first out with SD800?
Or am I barking up the wrong tree?
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I also use greenify. Entered deep sleep with no problem. Stamina mode turned on, too.
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I also use greenify. Entered deep sleep with no problem. Stamina mode turned on, too.
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Does Greenify feel like it is working for you? Can you feel battery life being longer? Depending on your opinion, I might give it a try again...
jewelkobayashi said:
Does Greenify feel like it is working for you? Can you feel battery life being longer? Depending on your opinion, I might give it a try again...
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Yes, the hibernated apps are not giving notification anymore and gsam battery didn't report any wakelocks in sleep from them. But I can't really say about battery life, though, since in my case, sony's stamina mode is the main factor for battery saving. I treat greenify as a tool to minimizing data footprint.
Has anyone else had battery drain issues with the Eclipse ROM on the Verizon Galaxy S4? I just came from an S3 on CyanogenMod I'd been using for a little over a year and I could still make it a whole day without having to charge it, but it seems like I can only make it half a day on the S4 before the battery gets low. So far I've:
-Used Titanium Backup to remove all bloatware listed here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2797600
-Minimized screen brightness as much as possible
-Turned off all unnecessary functions (Gestures, AirView, etc)
-Turned on Power Saving Mode
-Replaced the original (used) Samsung battery with a brand new OEM battery (with no positive change in battery life)
I mostly use the device for email, web browsing, etc. and still find the battery draining faster than I think it should be (about 10% every 15-20 minutes during use). I do have Avast Antivirus and My Data Manager running, but they only contribute to about 2-3% of total battery usage. The display, on the other hand, is responsible for anywhere between 30-50% of the total battery usage. (I can post screenshots of my device's battery usage later, if necessary).
The S4 is on the NC5 bootloader (thus I used the Safestrap method to install Eclipse), if that makes a difference.
Im on eclipse nc5 and i actually get great battery thanks to xposed and greenify. Go install greenify, And grant it root access. Then any apps you dont need notifications immediately, select them to hibernate so they dont use as much battery. That should help, and with brightness. Use lux lite. It can make your screen as bright as 100% or as dark as -80%. I change it depending on my lighting, and it seems to work fine.
When you say you get great battery life, just how much are you getting out of it? I've got greenify installed, hibernated all apps I don't need notifications for, etc and I still average only about 4-5 hours of battery life. Surely the screen alone can't be draining the battery THAT fast?
aclardy85 said:
When you say you get great battery life, just how much are you getting out of it? I've got greenify installed, hibernated all apps I don't need notifications for, etc and I still average only about 4-5 hours of battery life. Surely the screen alone can't be draining the battery THAT fast?
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You may have wake lock issues with some of your apps Android Basics 101: Understanding Wakelocks: http://youtu.be/fG8tghj0AYM that is a very good and short video explaining what exactly a wake lock is and there is a good X posed module that will help you manage them.
"It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery." - Galatians 5:1
I'm no pro or anything but I do know that eclipse should definitely last at least a day. If greenify or freezing busy apps isn't doing it, then you have some other problem. If I were you, I would reinstall the eclipse rom, check the md5, and reflash it. Even preferably, I would do a clean restore of the s4... This is a ton of work but that means that anything wrong will be fixed, its the solve all solution.
*assuming you're not streaming videos constantly off 4g while running your gps in the background and having 10 emails pushing in a hot car . then u might have some bad battery life, just maybe.
I have basically the same setup, but I use One Power Guard as well. I also used Titanium Backup to freeze anything to do with Google since I use Aqua Mail and CalenGoo, neither of which need Google services. Mostly email, phone and texting. Probably much less use than you, but I get two days easy, One day I'll have to use just the phone for a day and see what happens.
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I'm no pro or anything but I do know that eclipse should definitely last at least a day. If greenify or freezing busy apps isn't doing it, then you have some other problem. If I were you, I would reinstall the eclipse rom, check the md5, and reflash it. Even preferably, I would do a clean restore of the s4... This is a ton of work but that means that anything wrong will be fixed, its the solve all solution.
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Sorry for the late reply, but I finally got around to doing a clean restore of the S4 followed by a reinstall of the eclipse rom (including redownloading the rom and checking the md5). A few days later and my device's battery life is still terrible. I know there's always the possibility that the brand new OEM battery I purchased a month or two ago could be a dud (I did buy it off eBay, knowing full well the risk I was taking). Any suggestions on where I could get a good battery for a reasonable price? Or can anyone think of anything else that might be draining the battery so fast?
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Sorry for the late reply, but I finally got around to doing a clean restore of the S4 followed by a reinstall of the eclipse rom (including redownloading the rom and checking the md5). A few days later and my device's battery life is still terrible. I know there's always the possibility that the brand new OEM battery I purchased a month or two ago could be a dud (I did buy it off eBay, knowing full well the risk I was taking). Any suggestions on where I could get a good battery for a reasonable price? Or can anyone think of anything else that might be draining the battery so fast?
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Buy an Anker or Zerolemon! Both are great.
Download wakelock detector or better battery stats to check what apps are using your battery.
When you sleep, does your phone sleep, or does it stay up all night and crunch 1s and 0s? Rate this thread to express how you deem the speed at which the LG G6's battery drains under standby conditions. A higher rating indicates that when the phone is not in use, the battery drains minimally.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I have been on and off mine all day without heavy use due to being at work, and by the time night came without me charging I was around 79%. This is from 5AM to 11PM. But I must admit... I went into the sttings and set EVERYTHING as inactive that I was able to do so and recommend everyone do it. The apps will never turn on or activate unless you manually open one in which case it will then stay active. It's great for apps that do crap in the background which you never use anyway. Oh, and I use Greenify as well, and always keep my tasks clear. So yeah... I'm used to saving battery by habit so my experience is different from most.
My standby time has been brutal... Would not be using my phone for around 1 hr and then id see my battery drop from a 36 to 30.... I closed all apps and even used the smart cleaner to get rid of some.. I dont know whats the problem to be honest. If they can fix the standby drain i could honestly reach for 5 to even 6 hours of screen on time
My standby has been really good, I can leave it off charge overnight and can only go down 2% or so, but once I start using it the % drops heavily after 5 minutes or so. I've got to go through the settings to turn off notifications because I've noticed apps like candy crush giving me notifications
joyj112 said:
My standby time has been brutal... Would not be using my phone for around 1 hr and then id see my battery drop from a 36 to 30.... I closed all apps and even used the smart cleaner to get rid of some.. I dont know whats the problem to be honest. If they can fix the standby drain i could honestly reach for 5 to even 6 hours of screen on time
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I agree with jaeyo, my standby time is amazing. Off the charger overnight for 8 hours i only lose 2%. I do have AOD scheduled to turn off from 11p to 5a.
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I have been on and off mine all day without heavy use due to being at work, and by the time night came without me charging I was around 79%. This is from 5AM to 11PM. But I must admit... I went into the sttings and set EVERYTHING as inactive that I was able to do so and recommend everyone do it. The apps will never turn on or activate unless you manually open one in which case it will then stay active. It's great for apps that do crap in the background which you never use anyway. Oh, and I use Greenify as well, and always keep my tasks clear. So yeah... I'm used to saving battery by habit so my experience is different from most.
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Did you hook your phone up to a computer and use the ADB commands to enable Greenify's aggressive doze? That really helped me, Nougat's built-in doze is still crap compared to Greenify. Also, setting WiFi to inactive while display is off, as well as enabling data saver in data management to restrict mobile background data for all apps helps greatly with wakelocks. Also everyone should consider disabling certain notifications from apps like Maps and Assistant which can create a lot of wakelocks.
I wrote a few tips to help with battery life on Nougat in the G5 section, but it should apply here as well:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/att-lg-g5/how-to/nougat-wreaking-havoc-battery-solutions-t3570944
Standby time wears on you depending on what apps you got running
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I found the culprit. Apparently one of my skin apps was causing wakelocks keeping the phone awake the whole time. Deleted it and installed greenify, will see how things goes
PHYCLOPSH said:
Did you hook your phone up to a computer and use the ADB commands to enable Greenify's aggressive doze? That really helped me, Nougat's built-in doze is still crap compared to Greenify. Also, setting WiFi to inactive while display is off, as well as enabling data saver in data management to restrict mobile background data for all apps helps greatly with wakelocks. Also everyone should consider disabling certain notifications from apps like Maps and Assistant which can create a lot of wakelocks.
I wrote a few tips to help with battery life on Nougat in the G5 section, but it should apply here as well:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/att-lg-g5/how-to/nougat-wreaking-havoc-battery-solutions-t3570944
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No I did not. Heck, I didn't even know I COULD do that. That'll be my objective before tonight though, thanks!
I love Greenify's aggressive doze
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Does Greenify help? I get some seriously terrible standby drain going. Is it LG software that's so bad?
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I have been on and off mine all day without heavy use due to being at work, and by the time night came without me charging I was around 79%. This is from 5AM to 11PM. But I must admit... I went into the sttings and set EVERYTHING as inactive that I was able to do so and recommend everyone do it. The apps will never turn on or activate unless you manually open one in which case it will then stay active. It's great for apps that do crap in the background which you never use anyway. Oh, and I use Greenify as well, and always keep my tasks clear. So yeah... I'm used to saving battery by habit so my experience is different from most.
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What exactly did you set to inactive? Which apps?
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vintagerock said:
I agree with jaeyo, my standby time is amazing. Off the charger overnight for 8 hours i only lose 2%. I do have AOD scheduled to turn off from 11p to 5a.
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Me too
Honestly dont know how to fix this standby drain.. If ibhad root i would easily find the culprit through betterbatterystats but since i dont have that, cant seem to figure out why my standby drain is so high. I would leave my phone on the desk at 30% not using it all and come back 2 hrs later to 16%. Horrible standby time means losing precious screen on time sad sad
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Honestly dont know how to fix this standby drain.. If ibhad root i would easily find the culprit through betterbatterystats but since i dont have that, cant seem to figure out why my standby drain is so high. I would leave my phone on the desk at 30% not using it all and come back 2 hrs later to 16%. Horrible standby time means losing precious screen on time sad sad
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Use Greenify to force Hibernate Quick Memo+. Seems to have solved my standby drain issues.
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Use Greenify to force Hibernate Quick Memo+. Seems to have solved my standby drain issues.
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The problem is Quick Memo+ isnt the problen because i dont even have that application. I did a factory reset and it got rid of the app so I dont know what to do
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Use Greenify to force Hibernate Quick Memo+. Seems to have solved my standby drain issues.
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Do you need root for Greennify? I would like to start using it.
shaun0207 said:
Do you need root for Greennify? I would like to start using it.
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You can use greenify by plugging your phone into your computer and use adb commands
joyj112 said:
You can use greenify by plugging your phone into your computer and use adb commands
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No root needed.
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The problem is Quick Memo+ isnt the problen because i dont even have that application. I did a factory reset and it got rid of the app so I dont know what to do
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You must have it. It's baked into the OS. Look in the essentials folder of the LG (iOS) Home it'll be there
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You can use greenify by plugging your phone into your computer and use adb commands
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Don't really know how to use ADB commands. But I will try to figure it out
I have an LG G6 and a V30 on the Verizon network. On both, phone idle is using most of the battery. I've read several posts and searched the net without finding a solution.
I use a Samsung Gear S3 watch. Not sure if that could be the culprit.
When I Googled it, seemed like many others were also experiencing this problem. No one on this board is having this issue? Or has everyone figured out a solution? Thanks..
Why do you feel it is a problem? It doesn't matter unless your total battery life is not good to excellent.
Sounds like you just leave your phone Idle more than anything. I don't see a problem.
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check the battery usage ... find the offending app.
I am seeing the same: I don't use my phone very much, and not for gaming or video or anything very power consuming. So idle is by far the biggest battery drain on my V30 as well. The battery is still great on this phone, and it is quite frugal during use (as opposed to my beloved old Nexus 5, which was frugal when idle, but every touch of the screen would deplete the battery): I only charge the V30 every other night, and usually get 4-5 hours SOT on a full charge.
Battery stats attached. I have disabled most Google features (location reporting, always listen etc) but as you can see, Android Kernel and Android System remain by far the biggest app suckers. Lots of LG services buried in those. Some day I'll try and figure out which ones are the main culprits.
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Either this is a bug from software or this is the way the phone display itself..
As long as it doesn't effect the battery usage, it's not a problem imo
The high idle drain is real, at least on my phone. It is NOT merely an error in how usage is displayed. If I left my phone completely unused, it would run the battery down in about 3 days, with no SOT. Significantly faster if I move it (say, in the car), slower if it's just lying on a desk. But even lying on a desk, it drains pretty fast. Even overnight, when AOD is turned off.
This is fact, not opinion. Of course it could be unique to my phone and the OP's, although a few other threads mention high idle drain as well.
As I wrote in my last post, the phone has a good battery AND a frugal display, which means it's not a problem for most. Indeed, owners who use their phones all the time will appreciate how frugal it is in active use -- although they too would get even more SOT if their idle drain was lower. Obviously it is a bigger problem for owners who use their phones less, and who want to charge it only every two or three days to preserve battery health.
I remain convinced that the drain is caused by some of the LG or T-Mobile services on my phone, which would cause it to be buried under System or Kernel usage in GSAM. I just haven't had time to dig deeper into which ones it may be. If others have suggestions for which apps or services are the culprits, I'll be very interested.
@mankind_18: I am glad to hear that this is not a problem for you.
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The high idle drain is real, at least on my phone. It is NOT merely an error in how usage is displayed. If I left my phone completely unused, it would run the battery down in about 3 days, with no SOT. Significantly faster if I move it (say, in the car), slower if it's just lying on a desk. But even lying on a desk, it drains pretty fast. Even overnight, when AOD is turned off.
This is fact, not opinion. Of course it could be unique to my phone and the OP's, although a few other threads mention high idle drain as well.
As I wrote in my last post, the phone has a good battery AND a frugal display, which means it's not a problem for most. Indeed, owners who use their phones all the time will appreciate how frugal it is in active use -- although they too would get even more SOT if their idle drain was lower. Obviously it is a bigger problem for owners who use their phones less, and who want to charge it only every two or three days to preserve battery health.
I remain convinced that the drain is caused by some of the LG or T-Mobile services on my phone, which would cause it to be buried under System or Kernel usage in GSAM. I just haven't had time to dig deeper into which ones it may be. If others have suggestions for which apps or services are the culprits, I'll be very interested.
@mankind_18: I am glad to hear that this is not a problem for you.
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I'm actually seeing the opposite on my phone. Idle battery drain is minimal, but I feel like it drains a bit faster than others while in use. I did disable a lot of carrier/LG bloat I'm sure it's helped with idle battery usage to a degree.
cazcryy said:
I'm actually seeing the opposite on my phone. Idle battery drain is minimal, but I feel like it drains a bit faster than others while in use. I did disable a lot of carrier/LG bloat I'm sure it's helped with idle battery usage to a degree.
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Thank you for sharing this. Good to hear that your idle drain is low after disabling LG/carrier bloat. Makes me hope that if I take the time to go through it on mine, I may see improvement. So far I uninstalled a couple of LG apps through the Settings/Apps menu, that's all. I've meant to do more with ADB, just haven't had the time yet. Your post is encouraging in this regard.
But puzzling that you find active drain so high. My old Nexus 5 was like you describe: Very low idle drain (lean custom ROM and not many Google apps installed), but drained fast whenever I used it. As described, the V30 surprised me by doing the opposite. Hmmm....
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Thank you for sharing this. Good to hear that your idle drain is low after disabling LG/carrier bloat. Makes me hope that if I take the time to go through it on mine, I may see improvement. So far I uninstalled a couple of LG apps through the Settings/Apps menu, that's all. I've meant to do more with ADB, just haven't had the time yet. Your post is encouraging in this regard.
But puzzling that you find active drain so high. My old Nexus 5 was like you describe: Very low idle drain (lean custom ROM and not many Google apps installed), but drained fast whenever I used it. As described, the V30 surprised me by doing the opposite. Hmmm....
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Well it's not excessive relative to other phones I've used, just seems higher than other people based on their battery usage screens posted.
TheDannemand said:
The high idle drain is real, at least on my phone. It is NOT merely an error in how usage is displayed. If I left my phone completely unused, it would run the battery down in about 3 days, with no SOT. Significantly faster if I move it (say, in the car), slower if it's just lying on a desk. But even lying on a desk, it drains pretty fast. Even overnight, when AOD is turned off.
This is fact, not opinion. Of course it could be unique to my phone and the OP's, although a few other threads mention high idle drain as well.
As I wrote in my last post, the phone has a good battery AND a frugal display, which means it's not a problem for most. Indeed, owners who use their phones all the time will appreciate how frugal it is in active use -- although they too would get even more SOT if their idle drain was lower. Obviously it is a bigger problem for owners who use their phones less, and who want to charge it only every two or three days to preserve battery health.
I remain convinced that the drain is caused by some of the LG or T-Mobile services on my phone, which would cause it to be buried under System or Kernel usage in GSAM. I just haven't had time to dig deeper into which ones it may be. If others have suggestions for which apps or services are the culprits, I'll be very interested.
@mankind_18: I am glad to hear that this is not a problem for you.
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I think it's kind a normal to find idle taking up most battery if you're not using the device (i mean less), because when i compare it to a9 pro, it's the same actually.. when i use it often, screen will take the most battery percentage.. but if i use it less, device idle will be the most at the top..
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The high idle drain is real, at least on my phone. It is NOT merely an error in how usage is displayed. If I left my phone completely unused, it would run the battery down in about 3 days, with no SOT. Significantly faster if I move it (say, in the car), slower if it's just lying on a desk. But even lying on a desk, it drains pretty fast. Even overnight, when AOD is turned off.
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If the phone is flat in 3 days, then your idle drain rate is 1.25%/h. That's elevated.
It should be possible to improve depending on what the causes are. Could be apps, could be apps you need and then there is the network.
As a simple test, charge up your phone before you go to bed. Then leave it there, untouched with AOD off.
In the morning, settings - battery - battery usage - estimated time remaining <-- how much is that ?
Your battery will have to drop to at least 98% before that info is available which in your case could be sooner than morning maybe in a couple of hours
Indeed, owners who use their phones all the time will appreciate how frugal it is in active use -- although they too would get even more SOT if their idle drain was lower. Obviously it is a bigger problem for owners who use their phones less, and who want to charge it only every two or three days to preserve battery health.
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True. After two days you've lost half the battery. Ideally it should be less than that.
I just haven't had time to dig deeper into which ones it may be. If others have suggestions for which apps or services are the culprits, I'll be very interested.
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Do you have access to a PC with adb installed ?
One Twelve said:
If the phone is flat in 3 days, then your idle drain rate is 1.25%/h. That's elevated.
It should be possible to improve depending on what the causes are. Could be apps, could be apps you need and then there is the network.
As a simple test, charge up your phone before you go to bed. Then leave it there, untouched with AOD off.
In the morning, settings - battery - battery usage - estimated time remaining <-- how much is that ?
Your battery will have to drop to at least 98% before that info is available which in your case could be sooner than morning maybe in a couple of hours
True. After two days you've lost half the battery. Ideally it should be less than that.
Do you have access to a PC with adb installed ?
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Thank you for the response. That was posted over a month ago, and I finally did get around to disabling (or rather, uninstalling with ADB) a bunch of LG apps and services. Also some T-Mobile apps after switching to AT&T MVNO. That helped a lot, and I am now down to approx 0.5%/hour idle drain. That's overnight, mind you, and I still find it somewhat high considering AOD, Location, Bluetooth, NFC are all off, and the phone is completely still for 8-9 hours.
But I can now generally recharge only every three days, and still get 6-7 hours SOT. I guess that is great for any phone. Sometimes and I have to use Battery Saver to make it that far. It helps a lot to reduce battery drain, both during idle and use, and has no noticeable effect on usability.
Also on the positive side, I haven't had any of the lag issues mentioned by others in various threads after disabling apps. In fact, it is even smoother than before disabling them. I did go a bit too far, as I lost the ability to Google Cast the screen -- strangely, as I didn't touch Google apps or services. Also, I lost LG SmartSettings, which I didn't actually use, but didn't mean to lose either. I kept the SmartSetting app, but apparently one of the LG task related apps I disabled caused it to disappear from Settings. No other issues or functionality losses -- except the ones I wanted to lose.
So I am OK now -- though I still think idle drain is higher on this phone than it should be, even after disabling LG's duplicate and redundant services and turning off known battery draining features (AOD, Location etc).
Edit: Thanks again for your response and offer to help. Re-reading my post, I don't think I fully acknowledged that.
TheDannemand said:
I finally did get around to disabling (or rather, uninstalling with ADB) a bunch of LG apps and services.
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By adb i was referring to granting a one time permission to the better battery stats app. Will be a good next step if you've not used it yet since you've done a cleanup already.
The dump file will reveal what your phone is up to when you set it down and whether further improvements can be had if feasible.
I am now down to approx 0.5%/hour idle drain. That's overnight, mind you, and I still find it somewhat high considering AOD, Location, Bluetooth, NFC are all off, and the phone is completely still for 8-9 hours.
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How did you measure that rate ? wonder if its possible to reduce it further. Up to you
But I can now generally recharge only every three days, and still get 6-7 hours SOT. I guess that is great for any phone. Sometimes and I have to use Battery Saver to make it that far. It helps a lot to reduce battery drain, both during idle and use, and has no noticeable effect on usability.
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6-7h/SOT is normal for the v30, on wifi or bands 12 & 20 with heavy use.
So I am OK now -- though I still think idle drain is higher on this phone than it should be, even after disabling LG's duplicate and redundant services and turning off known battery draining features (AOD, Location etc).
Edit: Thanks again for your response and offer to help. Re-reading my post, I don't think I fully acknowledged that.
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If you're interested in exploring further with BBS, let me know. It has a strict procedure to follow which i can walk you through
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By adb i was referring to granting a one time permission to the better battery stats app. Will be a good next step if you've not used it yet since you've done a cleanup already.
The dump file will reveal what your phone is up to when you set it down and whether further improvements can be had if feasible.
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I did grant usage stats permission to GSAM. Otherwise it wouldn't have shown the details in those screenshots.
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How did you measure that rate ? 6-7h/SOT is normal for the v30, on wifi or bands 12 & 20 with heavy use. wonder if its possible to reduce it further. Up to you
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GSAM can show stats for various time periods, including custom ones. I generally check it in the morning after it's been lying on my desk or nightstand overnight for 8-9 hours. That's the ultimate Deep Sleep condition.
MY cell radio uses a bit more after switching to AT&T and returning the signal booster that T-Mobile provided me. The booster didn't improve T-Mo weak's reception in my apartment, but it DID provide a stronger signal to the phone, so it doesn't have to work so hard to maintain it.
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If you're interested in exploring further with BBS, let me know. It has a strict procedure to follow which i can walk you through
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I'll take you up on that. I haven't used BBS in years (different phone) so not up-to-date on it at all. I'll follow your procedure, just tell me what to do.
Thanks again. Much appreciate your help!
Edit: I downloaded and installed BBS 2.2.2.0. Holy crab, I can't believe that thread is now 3300+ pages!
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I'll take you up on that. I haven't used BBS in years (different phone) so not up-to-date on it at all. I'll follow your procedure, just tell me what to do.
Thanks again. Much appreciate your help!
Edit: I downloaded and installed BBS 2.2.2.0. Holy crab, I can't believe that thread is now 3300+ pages!
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Good, this will allow you to compare both tools and see which one is more useful.
Now you need to give BBS the permission in ADB as shown here
adb shell
pm grant com.asksven.betterbatterystats_xdaedition android.permission.BATTERY_STATS/
That's it. Switch off Developer options.
Then go into BBS-Settings-Advanced- (scroll to the bottom and click System App) and verify it says BATTERY_STATS granted. Cannot proceed further otherwise.
If ok, back out of advanced and tap 'Watchdog' then enable
Next, try a dry run. AOD off. Let the cell be on since that's how you use it and wifi.
What battery level is when you start the idle test matters. Can be anywhere between 50 to 95 but not over or under. More consistent data between those two points.
Let it rest for an hour. Do not touch it during this time. if the phone rings and you answer it then your log is going to get polluted with irrelevant info. It's useless, have to redo the idle test. The not touching it matters a lot.
When time is up, in the app under summary there are a couple of dropdown menus. Select 'Screen Off' instead of 'Boot' for the left and the menu next to it, select 'Screen On' instead of Current. Telling it to print data only during the time screen last switched off and turned back on. Very handy. As you can use your phone before the test and when ready to do the test it doesn't matter where you start within the limits mentioned. Screen off to screen on, That's what watchdog does.
After that, Look for the share button at top and select Dumpfile then Save. The txt file will be saved in emulated/0 so in LG's file manager, Internal storage, scroll down, it should be there by default. file name betterbatterystats- date-time.txt
Post that txt file as an attachment in your next post. Hopefully, on the V30, BBS will record under the sections, partial wakelocks, alarms, network which are required to understand where wakes are coming from. If this part is successful then you can go on to do a real idle test.
There are three key points here,
- idle test done when battery between 50 - 95
- your screen on during the idle test cannot exceed 1 minute. No touching
- getting the correct start and end points meaning you selected screen off to screen on to record in the dump.
Get this down right and you will be ready to do a real idle, test. There is one extra condition now. Test cannot be less than six hours. Can certainly be longer but not less than 6h. This is where the no touch rule starts to grate but that is the minimum time required for any wake locks to make themselves known. Getting the procedure right means you don't waste runs. And you will be doing several as you hone things
A bit rigourous but this is what the creator of BBS and the guys in that 3k+ thread insist you do to get the most out of BBS. They won't look at your dump file otherwise. Redo it they will say
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Good, this will allow you to compare both tools and see which one is more useful.
Now you need to give BBS the permission in ADB as shown here
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pm grant com.asksven.betterbatterystats_xdaedition android.permission.BATTERY_STATS/
That's it. Switch off Developer options.
Then go into BBS-Settings-Advanced- (scroll to the bottom and click System App) and verify it says BATTERY_STATS granted. Cannot proceed further otherwise.
If ok, back out of advanced and tap 'Watchdog' then enable
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Thank you. I'd already granted it permissions (BATTERY_STATS and DUMP). But I cannot install it as System app, since I am not rooted -- which it promptly tells me if I try. I was looking for somewhere to confirm the permission, but didn't find it.
Anyways, I started the Watchdog. I'll be charging it overnight, then do the dry run tomorrow after the battery has dropped below 95%.
Thanks again. This will be interesting!
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Thank you. I'd already granted it permissions (BATTERY_STATS and DUMP). But I cannot install it as System app, since I am not rooted -- which it promptly tells me if I try. I was looking for somewhere to confirm the permission, but didn't find it.
Anyways, I started the Watchdog. I'll be charging it overnight, then do the dry run tomorrow after the battery has dropped below 95%.
Thanks again. This will be interesting!
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Ah, i wasn't clear, install as a system app isn't required, that screen is just to check if the permissions took.
A popup appears saying root is required and disappears after a second or two, if you see the word 'granted' then you're good to go. Fingers crossed the right sections get data