On Notebookcheck the review states that the pwm is bad below 80% brightness and that people who are sensitive could have trouble with this screen. Can anyone conform or deny this?
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On Notebookcheck the review states that the pwm is bad below 80% brightness and that people who are sensitive could have trouble with this screen. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
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What is pwm?
I keep our three V30 at 70% all the time, because I don't like LG "auto brightness" which is too dim. 70% is plenty bright, and I read on my phone all day long, with no eye strain.
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ChazzMatt said:
What is pwm?
I keep our three V30 at 70% all the time, because I don't like LG "auto brightness" which is too dim. 70% is plenty bright, and I read on my phone all day long, with no eye strain.
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PWM is short for Pulse Width Modulation. "Pulse-Width Modulation, or PWM, is one of the ways display makers can use to adjust the display's brightness. PWM is considered to be an easy (or cost-effective) way to control the brightness, but it has serious drawbacks, such as flicker that may cause eye strain and headaches."
I am sensitive for the flickering because of a muscle disease and not sure if I can order the LG V30. On Notebookcheck it states: "The display backlight flickers at 227 Hz (Likely utilizing PWM) Flickering detected at a brightness setting of 80 % and below. There should be no flickering or PWM above this brightness setting. The frequency of 227 Hz is relatively low, so sensitive users will likely notice flickering and experience eyestrain at the stated brightness setting and below."
But this is the only site who mention it, so I am not sure if it's correct.
You should probably avoid Oled/Amoled screens altogether if your eyes are sensitive - they all flicker at lower brightness. Personally I've had multiple devices with Oled screens and did notice eyestrain in the first times I've used them, perhaps because I never had a monotor with PWM, but it has gone completely now.
Hey, when you're reading German reviews, I think you are from a German speaking country. In Germany, the electronics markets from Saturn and Media Markt both have V30 as usable sample devices in every store I went to. Why don't you check it out
I don't notice flickering or headache when using the device at low brightness, but I'm noticing flickering on CRT Tubes. So yeah, check yourself before you buy
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These screens are not perfect! If you get one that shows issues at 80%, then return it. If you get one that shows issues at 50%, return it! 20% and down doesn't seem to be too bad for some. Personally, I didn't have very good luck getting an H933 but my first H932 was good. Actually better than my H933. Try all white or all grey backgrounds to see how bad the one you get is.
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You should probably avoid Oled/Amoled screens altogether if your eyes are sensitive - they all flicker at lower brightness. Personally I've had multiple devices with Oled screens and did notice eyestrain in the first times I've used them, perhaps because I never had a monotor with PWM, but it has gone completely now.
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A lot of LCD panels use PWM for brightness too. It only becomes a problem when the frequency is very low (to begin with). But maybe I'll go for the HTC u11 plus than. Uses PWM also but in higher frequency.
Hey, when you're reading German reviews, I think you are from a German speaking country. In Germany, the electronics markets from Saturn and Media Markt both have V30 as usable sample devices in every store I went to. Why don't you check it out
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I am from the Netherlands but the reviews are translated in English I can check it out but will order somewhere else. So was hoping for some experience here. Not many sensitive eyes on XDA
These screens are not perfect! If you get one that shows issues at 80%, then return it. If you get one that shows issues at 50%, return it!
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The problem is with my eyes
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But maybe I'll go for the HTC u11 plus than. Uses PWM also but in higher frequency.
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Dont Pick the HTC U11 plus! Get the V30!
I have head both (and a Pixel 2 xl) and returned all after a week:
I am not a LG Fanboy (actually I'm angry, that they didnt Roll Out the Oreo Update yet) but:
Camera, Design, Feeling, Size, Software,... everything is better in the V30!
The most negative thing on the HTC U11 plus was the absolute dark Screen brightness, even on 100%.
Also ist was very slippery and the beatiful transparent Design was only visible in a certain Viewing Angle.
A lot of LCD panels use PWM for brightness too. It only becomes a problem when the frequency is very low (to begin with). But maybe I'll go for the HTC u11 plus than. Uses PWM also but in higher frequency.
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Yeah, I'm aware, but I haven't heared of people complaining about that on phones. Must be at a high frequency or not used too often at all. I know a lot of monitors used to have PWN with a low frequency but I've used PWM-free ones just to avoid possible eye strain and probably that's why I did experience it for a bit after first using OLED screens.
Dont Pick the HTC U11 plus! Get the V30!
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Well, he's specifically worried about getting the V30 due to the screen...
And I disagree, I've had the U11 (not plus) for a half a year and I prefer my V30 but the U11 definitely had a better camera (much better in low-light) and imo software. It was also faster and had less stutters and framedrops. It was an amazing phone really, so can't go wrong if you're afraid that OLED will give you eye strain.
In reality V30 must have PWM @ 227Hz.
But in reality observers who tested V30 said that their eyes aren't strained from V30 display while they do strain from 1+5T for example
So, best bet for you should be to buy it with moneyback, test for yourself and get money back if your eyes would suffer
With PWM not only frequency does matter but also % of duty cycle
But in reality observers who tested V30 said that their eyes aren't strained from V30 display while they do strain from 1+5T for example
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That's interesting because I watch a local reviewer and he says that his eyes are sensitive so he always mentions eye strain when reviewing phones. He said that the 1+5t screen was great overall but gave him eye strain, while the V30's screen didn't.
I never gave it much thought but I guess it matches your findnings.
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Yeah, I'm aware, but I haven't heared of people complaining about that on phones. Must be at a high frequency or not used too often at all. I know a lot of monitors used to have PWN with a low frequency but I've used PWM-free ones just to avoid possible eye strain and probably that's why I did experience it for a bit after first using OLED screens.
Well, he's specifically worried about getting the V30 due to the screen...
And I disagree, I've had the U11 (not plus) for a half a year and I prefer my V30 but the U11 definitely had a better camera (much better in low-light) and imo software. It was also faster and had less stutters and framedrops. It was an amazing phone really, so can't go wrong if you're afraid that OLED will give you eye strain.
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The U11 plus uses high frequency. There people can get eye restrain below 30% health. The htc 11 doesn;t work with PWM (and has a nicer screeen than the plus).
BTW, he is she
Heard today that the lg g7 gets a M LCD display. Maybe wait for may to see what the new device will bring.
@Billy Madison, I can't watch the video (removed?).
Here it's a bit difficult to buy with moneyback.
I also suffer from headaches from PWM in displays (as well as other screen factors), and seem to be sensitive to certain phones so am also fussy.
From my v30+ testing I have found PWM that I notice, to occur at 41% and lower, so for me this makes the phone usable as I generally set it around 50-100% (or set it at 65% in the morning with auto on).
I have not tried a photodiode/oscilloscope on the display (yet), just pencil swinging, fan, and high speed shutter on camera to verify when the change occurs.
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seems like even though frequency is low but the ampiltude is relatively little also, maybe that is the case
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Hi, I'm seriously considering buying the G5 since it has FM radio, fast charge 3.0 and of course a removable battery but my #1 concern in buying a phone is the brightness since I'm using my phone a lot outside and I wouldn't even consider to buy a phone with an average brightness like the G4 or the nexus 6p.
I have the gs5 and the problem is that in order to see something outside I have to put the brightness all the way up and that's pretty much killed my phone since I have a disgusting burn in all over the screen where the keyboard and the status bar are so Amoled is a big issue for me since it's basically always on maximum brightness which basically kills the display very fast (I could see burn in after 2 months from buying the device!).
So my question is how bright is the display on the G5? Also does the fact that it has the S820 means that there will be a lot of custom roms and development like in the Samsung Galaxy series?
Thanks
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The phone hasn't been released or properly reviewed yet, but I've seen at least one early hands on mention that the screen was insanely bright. This would definitely be an improvement over their previous screens if true.
The G5 at %50 should be almost as bright as the G4 at %100, which is quite bright. I like a bright screen and keep my G4 at %80.
thanks for the answers but is there an actual test that shows how much Nits this phone gets when it's on maximum brightness? basically my fear is that i will buy this phone and it will be bad in outside usage because of the screen or that the phone will die after a year of usage.
i know that LG is a bad company and their products are trash but do you think they changed things with the G5? is it safe to buy in your opinion?
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thanks for the answers but is there an actual test that shows how much Nits this phone gets when it's on maximum brightness? basically my fear is that i will buy this phone and it will be bad in outside usage because of the screen or that the phone will die after a year of usage.
i know that LG is a bad company and their products are trash but do you think they changed things with the G5? is it safe to buy in your opinion?
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It's safe since the G2
On the German LG Site you can find these Information: 1.440 x 2.560 Pixel (Quad HD), 554 ppi, 800 Nit, Gorilla Glass 4, GPU Adreno 530
I think it's more than enough. :cyclops:
Oh wow 800 nits seems too good to be true I hope it's real
I've read it's closer to 900 nits. Either way, it should be plenty bright.
Lol I think they should also include a spare motherboard in the box just in case
I found this, which looks pretty good:
http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-g5-vs-lg-g4-674756
"Covering the proximity sensor will shut the screen off entirely, saving power when the phone is in your pocket, and nudging it will make the Always-On display slightly brighter. Speaking of brightness, on paper the LG G5 almost doubles the G4’s maximum brightness of 455 nits, pumping out 900 nits at max brightness, although in our experience they looked very similar. The LG G5 had more stable viewing angles than the G4 though. In terms of pixel density, the G5 crams 554 pixels per inch (ppi) into its slightly smaller display compared to the G4’s 534 ppi."
So it's 900 nits on paper but the same as G4 if you put them side by side? Something is wrong here
And the lowest possible brightness is? How dark can the screen go?
I very much look forward:fingers-crossed:
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And the lowest possible brightness is? How dark can the screen go?
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on my S5 the lowest brightness is very very low and that's so great when i'm using it at night but i'm not expecting it to happen on LCD since Amoled is a much more superior technology.
I wouldn't say AMOLED is more superior. It has more saturated colors, better blacks, and uses less power when dark colors are displayed.
LED/IPS tends to have more natural colors, better whites, is sharper, and best of all, no burn in.
It's subjective.
Yes but eventually all manufacturers will move to Amoled displays and will ditch LCD.
Nice!
And that saddens me. AMOLED shouldn't be as highly praised as it is when it has a major flaw, such as burn in.
I know there are many who claim they use their AMOLED screen a ton and have never had burn in but I just think they aren't looking close enough. Tons have admitted to faint burn in, at the least, within six months and that is unacceptable to me for a $600+ device.
I wish manufacturers let you choose which kind of screen you wanted, similar to a Motomaker type of thing.
well to be honest my Nexus 7 2013 had LCD and one time it freeze and became really really hot and after i restarted it the tablet had something similar to a burn in with Amoled and it was permanent, i guess LCD doesn't like heat.
my moto 360 also has LCD display and 6 months ago i hit it against the wall and since then i also have a permanent mark on my moto 360 display, i guess the LCD got damaged from the inside.
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I disagree, except for proper updating, Pixel takes a lot of disadvantage compare to the lg g5, specs and even camera quality, I dont really know about software though, but I was always a fan of HTC since they had the most aesthetic UIs
I love my G5 so much, but from the reviews I've seen, I think the Pixel is a better choice if you don't care about the pricing.
Well I just put my pixel xl for sale im going
Back to the g5. Why ? Because Bluetooth audio quality is important to me APTXHD is not present in the pizel. That said the screen was awesome but not as bright as the g5. Speed was the same but the pixel was 200 ms faster at loading apps fresh. The paint on the pixel is so sensitive that I could scratch it off with my nails if i was trying to. Not worth the money the new one plus is better imo. Another thing is that the lg g5 display has a higher refresh rate objects that move appear clearer in motion compared to the pixel. I really loved it but a lot of apps are not compatible with 7.1. With it rooted battery issues formed and constant heating but I know its the roots fault. That said I only paid $300 for my g5 compared to the pixel, the g5 is a no brainer. And honestly the only thing I liked about the pixel was the launcher but I just flashed a zip and have it on the g5 now. The pixel has some good features though like font size and dpi change naturally. Also it was annoying to hold in one hand and i would always touch the screen from the side of my palm while typing. Imo a $700 piece of software is not worth it because its all your getting compared to the competition.
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Well I just put my pixel xl for sale im going
Back to the g5. Why ? Because Bluetooth audio quality is important to me APTXHD is not present in the pizel. That said the screen was awesome but not as bright as the g5. Speed was the same but the pixel was 200 ms faster at loading apps fresh. The paint on the pixel is so sensitive that I could scratch it off with my nails if i was trying to. Not worth the money the new one plus is better imo. Another thing is that the lg g5 display has a higher refresh rate objects that move appear clearer in motion compared to the pixel. I really loved it but a lot of apps are not compatible with 7.1. With it rooted battery issues formed and constant heating but I know its the roots fault. That said I only paid $300 for my g5 compared to the pixel, the g5 is a no brainer. And honestly the only thing I liked about the pixel was the launcher but I just flashed a zip and have it on the g5 now. The pixel has some good features though like font size and dpi change naturally. Also it was annoying to hold in one hand and i would always touch the screen from the side of my palm while typing. Imo a $700 piece of software is not worth it because its all your getting compared to the competition.
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I paid almost $700 to have my H850 imported from the UK... I love this phone; LG may have some questionable bootloader policies but this phone kills it in terms of optimization compared to most of the competition. My girlfriend has a vzw branded Note 7 and besides the stylus and the amazing screen, that phone was awful! UI was slower and incredibly bloated confusing and ugly, memory management was absolutely horrible, and despite having a much larger battery(albeit explosive) my phone always got much better battery life.
She now has a Pixel XL 128gb otw to replace her Note 7 and I'm excited to compare our phones.
Your argument about frame rate is the most compelling argument I've heard yet about why the Pixel may not be worthy of the flagship crown; I don't doubt you, but do you have numbers to backup that claim? And aren't AMOLED supposed to be brighter, and isn't Pixel rated at higher lumens than our G5(too intoxicated to remember if I'm using the correct jargon but hopefully you know what I mean)? And why would rooting change much in regards to heat and battery life if one is still using the stock kernel and ROM? Once again not challenging your claim, just curious about the details.
To reiterate I love my G5, the wide angle camera, the stock UI, the firmware optimization... I've had zero issues with this phone. But if money was of no consequence I would have a hard time choosing between the two. The Pixel may be ascetically unappealing(perhaps even repulsive) but it's made by the people who designed the OS in the first place, the camera is truly incredible, and one would never have to worry about speedy updates or lack of development... But I do love my double tap to wake! That feature should be an industry standard... Just out of curiosity, can you use DTW on your ported Pixel launcher with the G5?
A co-worker has a OnePlus 3T Otw as well cant wait to finally see a OnePlus in person and compare... For $440 that phone has Killer specs and a promising reputation... Can't stand capacitive buttons tho so I would probably never own one
G5 better except for one small big issue, GPS. Too many reports of the GPS issue. Other than that, G5 wins for me.
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G5 better except for one small big issue, GPS. Too many reports of the GPS issue. Other than that, G5 wins for me.
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No GPS issue here.
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No GPS issue here.
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My GPS is OK too, I'm just saying there are many users who encountered the GPS issue. Just trying to be objective. I have my G5 since May and I enjoy it a lot. Never failed me and the camera is just great. I carry a spare battery in my bad all the time so my charger never leaves home. Pixel is just seriously overpriced (common thing with HTC). I means, look at Oneplus 3 (3T).. so much cheaper , looks better, clean OS..why pay more? I mainly got the G5 for the camera. Love the wide angle too.
Just to prevent the overpriced comments, I'm getting the pixel for the same price as the G5.
About the refresh rate, I actually have used the G5, and while scrolling some text turns blurry (was that model faulty?). Also shouldn't (in theory) the pixel have a higher refresh rate due to an amoled screen and daydream support?
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I paid almost $700 to have my H850 imported from the UK... I love this phone; LG may have some questionable bootloader policies but this phone kills it in terms of optimization compared to most of the competition. My girlfriend has a vzw branded Note 7 and besides the stylus and the amazing screen, that phone was awful! UI was slower and incredibly bloated confusing and ugly, memory management was absolutely horrible, and despite having a much larger battery(albeit explosive) my phone always got much better battery life.
She now has a Pixel XL 128gb otw to replace her Note 7 and I'm excited to compare our phones.
Your argument about frame rate is the most compelling argument I've heard yet about why the Pixel may not be worthy of the flagship crown; I don't doubt you, but do you have numbers to backup that claim? And aren't AMOLED supposed to be brighter, and isn't Pixel rated at higher lumens than our G5(too intoxicated to remember if I'm using the correct jargon but hopefully you know what I mean)? And why would rooting change much in regards to heat and battery life if one is still using the stock kernel and ROM? Once again not challenging your claim, just curious about the details.
To reiterate I love my G5, the wide angle camera, the stock UI, the firmware optimization... I've had zero issues with this phone. But if money was of no consequence I would have a hard time choosing between the two. The Pixel may be ascetically unappealing(perhaps even repulsive) but it's made by the people who designed the OS in the first place, the camera is truly incredible, and one would never have to worry about speedy updates or lack of development... But I do love my double tap to wake! That feature should be an industry standard... Just out of curiosity, can you use DTW on your ported Pixel launcher with the G5?
A co-worker has a OnePlus 3T Otw as well cant wait to finally see a OnePlus in person and compare... For $440 that phone has Killer specs and a promising reputation... Can't stand capacitive buttons tho so I would probably never own one
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Technically the pixel LCD is brighter but Google does not let it pass a certain point in brightness however if you flash a custom kernel you can enable high brightness mode . root is buggy 7.1 is really annoying to deal with the recovery is now knitted into the kernel you should read chainfires post about it. You can't just slap on a kernel or a new recovery version on top of what you already have you have to return to stock every time flash twrp flash kernel then supersu. Battery life was alright for a few days but then the phone started to over heat for no reason. Just laying there with no change on how I use it the only explanation I could think of was root after I went back to stock it went away. That's just my experience though.
What kind of question is this? Pixel costs 2x of what G5 costs.
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All that aside, Pixel. Had the G5 since April, one software update (security patch) and all the annoying bugs/features still there.
Inside I have to adjust brightness every time I turn screen on due to the crap "auto brightness". That alone has made we ponder if I really like the wide angle lens enough to suffer the constant annoyance of screen being dim. Contacted LG and they gave some barmy excuse that I need to contact the local software team to raise this issue? It's an international phone and ROM!
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About the refresh rate, I actually have used the G5, and while scrolling some text turns blurry (was that model faulty?). Also shouldn't (in theory) the pixel have a higher refresh rate due to an amoled screen and daydream support?
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Afaik the refresh rate on Android is fixed at 60 fps. Haven't had blurry text on mine yet. But I do suffer from faulty gps which is why I send mine in soon for repair.
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What kind of question is this? Pixel costs 2x of what G5 costs.
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First could you please setup being unfriendly all the time. Every post of yours is rather brusquely.
2nd op said he would get the pixel for the same price as the g5.
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All that aside, Pixel. Had the G5 since April, one software update (security patch) and all the annoying bugs/features still there.
Inside I have to adjust brightness every time I turn screen on due to the crap "auto brightness". That alone has made we ponder if I really like the wide angle lens enough to suffer the constant annoyance of screen being dim. Contacted LG and they gave some barmy excuse that I need to contact the local software team to raise this issue? It's an international phone and ROM!
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Never had the issue. Or at least I didn't notice it. Am always happy with the brightness.
Though the camera module is the same as the lg g4 which is kind of disappointing. Overall a great camera but I still would have wanted a newer sensor to maybe get the same hdr speed as the pixel. Couldn't live without the optical stabilization anymore though... Then again I don't know how the electronic one is on the pixel.
For landscapes the wide angle lens is amazing.
I find the battery highly dependent on your network coverage. I get between 20 and 80 hours with 5 hours of screen on time. Depends on how much you are in locations with wifi and so on
Speed is simply amazing but then again I come from a rather outdated note 2 so I don't know how it improved over last year's flagships.
LG G5 anyday , G5 is close to Pixel in terms of everything , defeats Pixel in features. The camera is closest and hard to compare.
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About the refresh rate, I actually have used the G5, and while scrolling some text turns blurry (was that model faulty?). Also shouldn't (in theory) the pixel have a higher refresh rate due to an amoled screen and daydream support?
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Look at my post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g5/help/font-icons-blurry-scrolling-t3501921
No one seems to care or notice this. I guess it's normal on the G5 and it's bothering me a lot. It's terrible and makes it mostly unusable.
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Look at my post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g5/help/font-icons-blurry-scrolling-t3501921
No one seems to care or notice this. I guess it's normal on the G5 and it's bothering me a lot. It's terrible and makes it mostly unusable.
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The g5 I've used isn't that bad. It was blurry but only if I scrolled fast. I suggest u exchange your G5.
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LG G5 anyday , G5 is close to Pixel in terms of everything , defeats Pixel in features. The camera is closest and hard to compare.
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What features in specific?
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The g5 I've used isn't that bad. It was blurry but only if I scrolled fast. I suggest u exchange your G5.
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Nope. It's new. And it's just if you scroll "slow". Also the effect is misleading because the camera recording it shows it more significant than the human eye can catch.
Rate this thread to express how well you can see the LG G6's display outdoors. In case you've been playing Minecraft for 18 months straight, you might not known how to get outside anymore. Well, find the door and walk through it. A higher rating indicates that it has very high maximum brightness and thus fantastic outdoor visibility in direct sunlight.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Would've loved an amoled screen.
Well that's sure to help anyone considering getting the G6.
Are you sure it's not Amoled? Did you research reviews and specs before you were forced to get your G6?
Please don't reply.
Well i have used the phone in direct sunlight and cant really say anything bad about it is readable so tha i can take calls, read texts but i wouldn't go out and start watching a video since when i say direct sunlight its like 90+°F lol but if i sit in a sunlight area with a bit of wind then yes phone is plenty bright enought for me to watch content on and enjoy it
For me it deserves 4 stars. LG G6 is more than sufficiently visible under direct sunlight.
It's pretty amazing to me that nobody other than Samsung has figured out oled for mobile screens. You know lg has been working on it for years, but for some reason they just can't mass produce it. Samsung has it mastered.
Actually LG isn't really starting to dabble in small OLED until next year.
As far as screen quality goes I saw a review stating measured 557 nits, as bright as the iPhone 7. Color accuracy was better than the iPhone and S7. Gamut was a little disappointing with 136% sRGB vs 197% for the S7. All in all a great display, probably the best LCD ever put in a phone.
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It's pretty amazing to me that nobody other than Samsung has figured out oled for mobile screens. You know lg has been working on it for years, but for some reason they just can't mass produce it. Samsung has it mastered.
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Mastered? Lol... Reddit is full of people complaining about burned in screens on their S8 after just a few days.
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As far as screen quality goes I saw a review stating measured 557 nits, as bright as the iPhone 7. Color accuracy was better than the iPhone and S7. Gamut was a little disappointing with 136% sRGB vs 197% for the S7. All in all a great display, probably the best LCD ever put in a phone.
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ComputerBase (Germany) even measured 624nits:
computerbase.de/2017-04/lg-g6-test/#abschnitt_sehr_hell_und_hoher_kontrast
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Definitely bright enough.
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Mastered? Lol... Reddit is full of people complaining about burned in screens on their S8 after just a few days.
Definitely bright enough.
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i didnt know that... i guess i meant they are far, far ahead of anyone else in mobile oled displays
im very impressed with the lg g5's display. super bright, very rich in color. and crazy sharp.
It's summer season where I'm at and yesterday I was at the beach. Visibility is low in outdoor bright light.
Probably a weird question, but how is this phone when using with polarised sunglasses?
My Z2 turns to black in some angles in portrait mode and completely black in horizontal.
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I will have pretty good comparison. HTC 10 was having highest ppi and regarded as the best lCD display. However outdoor visibility was extremely bad. I am not sure but I think it is a characteristics of LCD display . One thing I notice that even for camera HTC 10 was relying on display. Whenever I was opening camera app the screen was automatically turning 100% bright and then comeback to normal after closing the app. It happen with third party camera app as well. I will report once I get G6.
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my experience: under sunlight (outdoor) in automatic brightness it is very difficult to see..... the always on display is completely invisible!!!!
wrong buy for me this g6
myabc said:
my experience: under sunlight (outdoor) in automatic brightness it is very difficult to see..... the always on display is completely invisible!!!!
wrong buy for me this g6
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Don't use auto brightness. Auto brightness is buggy in most devices. Try to do it manually.
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Probably a weird question, but how is this phone when using with polarised sunglasses?
My Z2 turns to black in some angles in portrait mode and completely black in horizontal.
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You can see the display in all angles. Slightly worse with rainbow-effect in some angles, but still visible.
Anyone know how it compares with the LG V20 display?
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If the sun shines directly on the screen on max brightness I can see absolutly nothing
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Don't use auto brightness. Auto brightness is buggy in most devices. Try to do it manually.
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Yes it may be buggy however according to http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-g6-review-752130/
the LG G6 display actually gets brighter than 100% when it is set to AUTO.
"Putting it through our testing, we found the display to have a max manual brightness of 556 nits, which is boosted to a very respectable 663 nits when auto brightness is engaged under direct light. In sunlight, this is likely to be even higher"
I have no way to test this myself. The display is just barely usable in direct sunlight. Better than my G3 though. I wish it was better in this regard since I use this as my motorcycle GPS sometimes.
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If the sun shines directly on the screen on max brightness I can see absolutly nothing
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Sorry for you but in the same condiction i see all very well and compared to my previous device (Samsung Galaxy s4, Redmi Note 2 and Lg G3) i think LG G6 is better of all of them, on automatic brightness too...
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Sorry for you but in the same condiction i see all very well and compared to my previous device (Samsung Galaxy s4, Redmi Note 2 and Lg G3) i think LG G6 is better of all of them, on automatic brightness too...
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Do you use auto brightness and/or a screen protector? I guess some phones have brighter screens than others...
Just got a few questions for people who previously had the G8 (Or the V30/V30+). Is this device super heavy in comparison without the dual screen attachment? Is the screen quality noticeably different?
What are your pro's and con's?
I'm undecided as this is the first device I have no way to see in person.
I had the V30, my wife has the G8. It is a lot larger, but I wouldn't call it super heavy. I would say the screen quality of all 3 devices is similar. I have quickly gotten use to the larger size. My wife says she would rather have the larger screen.
Coming from G8 myself. This thing is noticeably heavier than the G8, but you get used to it quick. The screen size is a huge difference. You can do pretty much everything one handed on the G8 while there are many times you need both hands on this phone. No noticeable screen differences as in quality. The sound is a HUGE difference between the 2, the V60 is amazing sound, while the G8 sounded tinny and like it was in a tunnel and way quiet. The auto brightness on the V60 is awful, it goes to zero in a single lamp lit room while the G8 stayed around 15%. All in all, I'm very pleased with my upgrade.
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I had the V30, my wife has the G8. It is a lot larger, but I wouldn't call it super heavy. I would say the screen quality of all 3 devices is similar. I have quickly gotten use to the larger size. My wife says she would rather have the larger screen.
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Coming from G8 myself. This thing is noticeably heavier than the G8, but you get used to it quick. The screen size is a huge difference. You can do pretty much everything one handed on the G8 while there are many times you need both hands on this phone. No noticeable screen differences as in quality. The sound is a HUGE difference between the 2, the V60 is amazing sound, while the G8 sounded tinny and like it was in a tunnel and way quiet. The auto brightness on the V60 is awful, it goes to zero in a single lamp lit room while the G8 stayed around 15%. All in all, I'm very pleased with my upgrade.
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Yeah, I think I don't mind larger or heavier myself. I upgraded my iPhone 7 Plus to the 11 Pro Max. It's time to get bigger on my Android too.
My only concern was the lower PPI. Was hoping it wouldn't make the screen too blurry to me. I noticed my G8 won't go below 10% auto brightness. I think that is to avoid the black crush a lot of us saw with the V30 (I had to exchange 3 of them).
Sound quality, do you mean through the headphones or phone itself? I do not like the G8 for speakerphone at all, sounds terrible honestly.
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My only concern was the lower PPI. Was hoping it wouldn't make the screen too blurry to me. I noticed my G8 won't go below 10% auto brightness. I think that is to avoid the black crush a lot of us saw with the V30 (I had to exchange 3 of them).
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We are all hoping a future update fixes the auto brightness bug. It goes to 0 in a lamplit room and just impossible to see the screen. I prefer auto brightness myself, so having to go back and forth is quite annoying. The G8 definitely was great with that.
[/QUOTE] Sound quality, do you mean through the headphones or phone itself? I do not like the G8 for speakerphone at all, sounds terrible honestly.[/QUOTE]
Sound thru the phone speakers are amazing with the V60. I have yet to use headphones plug in, as I don't really have good ones, just the set that came with my V20 years ago.
I also went from the V30+ to the V60 and absolutely love the new phone. I can attest to the quality of the phone's speakers.
They sound dramatically better than the V30's, though a good set of headphones will always be where it's really at for LG phones. At least as long as they continue to include quality Quad DACs in their devices. But hey, an improvement is an improvement.
Despite having a lower resolution and a much larger screen, and thus, a lower DPI that's obvious to the eyes, I'm happy with the screen. The colors are crisp, the viewing angles seem limitless, and if you're considering a V60, you should already know that you're not getting a cutting edge display with a 90 Hz or 120 Hz refresh rate. I think they made the right call and wound up turning this phone into a friggin' beast when it comes to battery life. Auto-brightness settings could use some tweaking, but this is an issue that has affected earlier LG phones. So while it's a bit baffling that it shipped this way, there's precedent for it getting fixed via a software update eventually.
The phone is substantially bigger and heavier than V30 (but not uncomfortably so in my opinion), and so it's less conducive to one-handed use out-of-the-box. But I DON'T USE LG's out-of-the-box software, so a combination of Nova Launcher (to replace LG Home), Fluid Navigation Gestures (to replace Android 10's stock gestures), and special permission being granted to the latter via ADB and Fastboot means that I can easily do things like pull the notification shade down with a simple swipe down from anywhere on the screen, and other similar QoL tweaks. I had no issues basically recreating my preferred LG V30 software environment and home screen on the V60. I had to learn how to use ADB and Fastboot to do what I'd normally have used root to do, but it wasn't as tricky as I feared and the end result is close enough to what I enjoyed before, that it's made the transition pretty smooth.
All in all, I'm pretty thrilled with the phone. I don't care how good a phone's screen is, if it doesn't have expandable storage via SD cards and a 3.5MM headphone jack, I'm automatically out. And it doesn't hurt that LG's phones have a well-deserved reputation for having higher quality audio output than just about any other Android phone out there. I value that a lot more than I do screen resolution, camera quality & camera software, or even the OEM skins layered over Android OS.
I miss the tof front camera on the g8. No face unlock at all on the v60 sucks.
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We are all hoping a future update fixes the auto brightness bug. It goes to 0 in a lamplit room and just impossible to see the screen. I prefer auto brightness myself, so having to go back and forth is quite annoying. The G8 definitely was great with that.
I know many have had this issue, but, I have had absolutely no problem with auto brightness. Even in a closet, or a car at night, I can't get my display to go below 12%. (Verizon)
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pre4speed said:
We are all hoping a future update fixes the auto brightness bug. It goes to 0 in a lamplit room and just impossible to see the screen. I prefer auto brightness myself, so having to go back and forth is quite annoying. The G8 definitely was great with that.
I know many have had this issue, but, I have had absolutely no problem with auto brightness. Even in a closet, or a car at night, I can't get my display to go below 12%. (Verizon)
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What were you doing in a dark closet?
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bilbo60 said:
What were you doing in a dark closet?
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Just testing....for a friend! LOL But seriously have you experienced problems with auto brightness?
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Just testing....for a friend! LOL But seriously have you experienced problems with auto brightness?
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It can be a little inconsistent at night compared to my old V30+, but I wouldn't consider it dramatically distracting.
I imagine a software update from LG will fix it (eventually), as I vaguely recall that the V30 had a similar issue in the beginning which was also fixed (eventually).
Sadly, "eventually" can usually take a while with LG.
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pre4speed said:
We are all hoping a future update fixes the auto brightness bug. It goes to 0 in a lamplit room and just impossible to see the screen. I prefer auto brightness myself, so having to go back and forth is quite annoying. The G8 definitely was great with that.
I know many have had this issue, but, I have had absolutely no problem with auto brightness. Even in a closet, or a car at night, I can't get my display to go below 12%. (Verizon)
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I luckily find better outcomes without auto brightness. So I think I'll be okay with that. Is there any noticeable black crush or other issues at 0%?
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I also went from the V30+ to the V60 and absolutely love the new phone. I can attest to the quality of the phone's speakers.
They sound dramatically better than the V30's, though a good set of headphones will always be where it's really at for LG phones. At least as long as they continue to include quality Quad DACs in their devices. But hey, an improvement is an improvement.
Despite having a lower resolution and a much larger screen, and thus, a lower DPI that's obvious to the eyes, I'm happy with the screen. The colors are crisp, the viewing angles seem limitless, and if you're considering a V60, you should already know that you're not getting a cutting edge display with a 90 Hz or 120 Hz refresh rate. I think they made the right call and wound up turning this phone into a friggin' beast when it comes to battery life. Auto-brightness settings could use some tweaking, but this is an issue that has affected earlier LG phones. So while it's a bit baffling that it shipped this way, there's precedent for it getting fixed via a software update eventually.
The phone is substantially bigger and heavier than V30 (but not uncomfortably so in my opinion), and so it's less conducive to one-handed use out-of-the-box. But I DON'T USE LG's out-of-the-box software, so a combination of Nova Launcher (to replace LG Home), Fluid Navigation Gestures (to replace Android 10's stock gestures), and special permission being granted to the latter via ADB and Fastboot means that I can easily do things like pull the notification shade down with a simple swipe down from anywhere on the screen, and other similar QoL tweaks. I had no issues basically recreating my preferred LG V30 software environment and home screen on the V60. I had to learn how to use ADB and Fastboot to do what I'd normally have used root to do, but it wasn't as tricky as I feared and the end result is close enough to what I enjoyed before, that it's made the transition pretty smooth.
All in all, I'm pretty thrilled with the phone. I don't care how good a phone's screen is, if it doesn't have expandable storage via SD cards and a 3.5MM headphone jack, I'm automatically out. And it doesn't hurt that LG's phones have a well-deserved reputation for having higher quality audio output than just about any other Android phone out there. I value that a lot more than I do screen resolution, camera quality & camera software, or even the OEM skins layered over Android OS.
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I agree, my biggest excitement is the battery (G8 is pretty bad). So I'd realistically like to get this phone for when we're able to travel again. I listen to music on trips and don't need the hassle of Bluetooth headphones. I absolutely can't stand no headphone jack on an Android.
Also a fan of SD cards.
I'm looking at that LG Velvet too but I'm more than 90% sure I'll go with the V60 anyways. It'll have that beast of a battery and I don't have to buy the dual screen I don't need with it.
Did you write or read a post about using ADB and Fastboot? Just curious what tweaks you did/were able to do on the device.
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bilbo60 said:
I agree, my biggest excitement is the battery (G8 is pretty bad). So I'd realistically like to get this phone for when we're able to travel again. I listen to music on trips and don't need the hassle of Bluetooth headphones. I absolutely can't stand no headphone jack on an Android.
Also a fan of SD cards.
I'm looking at that LG Velvet too but I'm more than 90% sure I'll go with the V60 anyways. It'll have that beast of a battery and I don't have to buy the dual screen I don't need with it.
Did you write or read a post about using ADB and Fastboot? Just curious what tweaks you did/were able to do on the device.
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Velvet looks like it's going to be a bit more mid-range. From what I've read, it'll have a weaker Snapdragon than the one powering the V60.
It seems like the V-series are their new flagships, Velvet will replace the G-series, and the G-series/Velvet will no longer be their beast mode flagships going forward.
As for ADB, all I did was give Fluid Navigation Gestures the permission it needs to hide the nav bar (normally it's a root thing), and uninstall a TON of AT&T and LG bloatware.
I just pulled up a random guide via Google. The process is essentially the same for most phones. Just don't go nuts and delete something critical like System UI!
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i have been using pixel 6 for 10 days now and i can say that camera quality is top class but in other area phone is below average. the sound quality from bluetooth is not up to the mark, Even the internet speed is not good(on 4G), i donn't think it supports carrier aggregation. the quality of the display is also average. What do you think guys?
Well, bluetooth is digital, so if you've got a problem with the quality of sound coming out your bluetooth speakers, then you should either look at the quality of the speakers or the limitations of bluetooth.
LTE internet speed looks good to me? Just hit 135 Mbps on a speed test, which I ran just because I was curious after what you said. Kind of shocked actually, I've never seen a phone speed test that high, and its certainly a lot more than I could ever need. What are you expecting to see for speed?
Display being average, I'd definitely have to attribute that to your personal choices. There are two pixel 6's to choose from and you picked the one that explicitly has the crappier display.
My LTE is the same as my old S9. I get 42 Mbps at home. We have a vacation home where our fiber is 30, and 30 is plenty to have YouTube TV streaming and two people on ZOOM calls. Don't over think the whole speed issue, for most of us it is inconsequential.
This is all purely opinion. I switched from a Pixel 3, and it's a fantastic upgrade. Either your expectations of a 600$ phone were too high, or you're just here trying to troll people into buying something else. Like 96carboard said, BT is digital and all dependent on the speaker on the other end, and the internet speed could have something to do with your carrier.
I'm extremely happy with this phone, the screen is fine, I really can't be bothered about refresh rates cos I don't game. The reviews seem to be so picky over triviality and my 4G speed is excellent
I'm in the same boat. I came from the OP6T McLaren and I prefer the lighter thinner feel of that phone. The camera in this Pixel 6 just blows the OP away and that's probably the only reason I am using it. Still looking for super thin light case to make this just as small as possible.
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i have been using pixel 6 for 10 days now and i can say that camera quality is top class but in other area phone is below average. the sound quality from bluetooth is not up to the mark, Even the internet speed is not good(on 4G), i donn't think it supports carrier aggregation. the quality of the display is also average. What do you think guys?
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Agreed. My speed was consistently better on OnePlus 7 pro as was reception. Modem on this thing sucks. I want to love this phone so bad but there's just too much wrong with it. I've now noticed that on dark mode when in apps like settings or play store, whatever has the generic dark background, my screen is darker on the right side. And every time the refresh rate switches from 90 to 60hz there's a noticable change in color hue.
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Agreed. My speed was consistently better on OnePlus 7 pro as was reception. Modem on this thing sucks. I want to love this phone so bad but there's just too much wrong with it. I've now noticed that on dark mode when in apps like settings or play store, whatever has the generic dark background, my screen is darker on the right side. And every time the refresh rate switches from 90 to 60hz there's a noticable change in color hue.
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You can force 90Hz on in the developer options.
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I'm in the same boat. I came from the OP6T McLaren and I prefer the lighter thinner feel of that phone. The camera in this Pixel 6 just blows the OP away and that's probably the only reason I am using it. Still looking for super thin light case to make this just as small as possible.
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The Google case adds next to nothing to the feel of the phone in the hand. I've held a couple black cases that offer better protection and also a clear case that offers better protection and by comparison the Google case just feels smaller.
I've been stuck in quarantine so I haven't tried the phone's modem in areas outside of my home and testing at home sucks because coverage has always sucked around me as there aren't any towers close by. I can say that the WiFi is better than on the LG G8X. It handles the hand-off between 2.4GHz to 5GHz and also mesh zones without issue (though I do drop WiFi calls during those transitions).
I do wish the display showed yellows and oranges differently. They seem kinda dull to me and I'm assuming it's what makes skin tones look occasionally off. Though maybe it's also a byproduct of using dark mode?
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i have been using pixel 6 for 10 days now and i can say that camera quality is top class but in other area phone is below average. the sound quality from bluetooth is not up to the mark, Even the internet speed is not good(on 4G), i donn't think it supports carrier aggregation. the quality of the display is also average. What do you think guys?
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Would be interesting to know which phone you came from, since the P6 is a budget/midrange product with some clear trade-offs (screen in particular), so are your expectations realistic? This is not a 1000 dollar Flagship phone.
So considering that the P6 has a Gorilla Glass Victus, 90hz OLED for a 599 bucks phone, "average" is, well, acceptable.
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Would be interesting to know which phone you came from, since the P6 is a budget/midrange product with some clear trade-offs (screen in particular), so are your expectations realistic? This is not a 1000 dollar Flagship phone.
So considering that the P6 has a Gorilla Glass Victus, 90hz OLED for a 599 bucks phone, "average" is, well, acceptable.
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First of all, a "flag ship" is something very specific that has nothing at all to do with phones. Secondly, even if you do try to use this military term, it does not in any way imply the best or most advanced.
Third, these (p6/p6p) are most definitely extremely high priced and top end phones, nothing average about them.
The only part of what you said that I agree with is that the screen (on p6-nonP only) is not the very greatest. But that's a choice you make when you buy the smaller one.
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First of all, a "flag ship" is something very specific that has nothing at all to do with phones. Secondly, even if you do try to use this military term, it does not in any way imply the best or most advanced.
Third, these (p6/p6p) are most definitely extremely high priced and top end phones, nothing average about them.
The only part of what you said that I agree with is that the screen (on p6-nonP only) is not the very greatest. But that's a choice you make when you buy the smaller one.
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I do not quite see the need for your alleged know-it-all. Firstly, Flagship (no separation) is an established term to describe the most important product that an organization owns/produces. You might not realize it, but terms slash words can have several meanings. I know, it might be something new, but I'm sure you'll get the hang of it.
Therefore, secondly, yes, of course the most important product implies the best or most advanced. You are making confused claims.
For further studies (I can only suggest self-study at this point):
flagship noun - Definition, pictures, pronunciation and usage notes | Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.com
Definition of flagship noun in Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary. Meaning, pronunciation, picture, example sentences, grammar, usage notes, synonyms and more.
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Definition of flagship | Dictionary.com
Flagship definition, a ship carrying the flag officer or the commander of a fleet, squadron, or the like, and displaying the officer's flag. See more.
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For a further assessment, I suggest you open a channel to the Oxford Dictionary or Thesaurus immediately and have them rectify their vocabulary, since - apparently - you are the master of the English language.
Thirdly, if you consider a 599 $ phone (P6) to be extremely high-priced, then you seem to have slept for the last five years. Since Flagships start at 800 bananas, Super Flagships start at 1000 bananas and "Ultra" Flagships start at roughly 1300 $ bananas (using the jargon of Tech Reviewers here), the P6 can only be considered Midrange to higher Midrange. Every other assessment is unrealistic and defies reality, which I would not recommend.
Whether you like this development, or not, is another matter entirely. Reality doesn't change just because a single person wants it to. That takes a little more motivation.
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Agreed. My speed was consistently better on OnePlus 7 pro as was reception. Modem on this thing sucks. I want to love this phone so bad but there's just too much wrong with it. I've now noticed that on dark mode when in apps like settings or play store, whatever has the generic dark background, my screen is darker on the right side. And every time the refresh rate switches from 90 to 60hz there's a noticable change in color hue.
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As if flagship OnePlus phones didn't have various software/networking issues in the weeks following their launch or in some cases, to date unfixed.
It's baffling to me how easily people pass judgment and give up based on minor details unrelated to hardware.
I look at this as a mid-range device. It has good specifications for the price range. If I had wanted all the features, I would have went with the Pro.
Battery life is my only real complaint. Its not bad but it's not great either.
No trouble with my speed the phone camera is awesome build quality bid disappointed in as the black on the sides of the phone is starting to come off
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Would be interesting to know which phone you came from, since the P6 is a budget/midrange product with some clear trade-offs (screen in particular), so are your expectations realistic? This is not a 1000 dollar Flagship phone.
So considering that the P6 has a Gorilla Glass Victus, 90hz OLED for a 599 bucks phone, "average" is, well, acceptable.
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Oneplus 7t pro
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Well, bluetooth is digital, so if you've got a problem with the quality of sound coming out your bluetooth speakers, then you should either look at the quality of the speakers or the limitations of bluetooth.
LTE internet speed looks good to me? Just hit 135 Mbps on a speed test, which I ran just because I was curious after what you said. Kind of shocked actually, I've never seen a phone speed test that high, and its certainly a lot more than I could ever need. What are you expecting to see for speed?
Display being average, I'd definitely have to attribute that to your personal choices. There are two pixel 6's to choose from and you picked the one that explicitly has the crappier display.
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I am using pixel buds and Bose qc 35 ii as my daily driver. The soung quality is average.
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This is all purely opinion. I switched from a Pixel 3, and it's a fantastic upgrade. Either your expectations of a 600$ phone were too high, or you're just here trying to troll people into buying something else. Like 96carboard said, BT is digital and all dependent on the speaker on the other end, and the internet speed could have something to do with your carrier.
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I was using op7t pro before.. the sound quality from bluetooth and the display on oneplus 7t pro is awesome.
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I'm in the same boat. I came from the OP6T McLaren and I prefer the lighter thinner feel of that phone. The camera in this Pixel 6 just blows the OP away and that's probably the only reason I am using it. Still looking for super thin light case to make this just as small as possible.
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Yes the disp
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Agreed. My speed was consistently better on OnePlus 7 pro as was reception. Modem on this thing sucks. I want to love this phone so bad but there's just too much wrong with it. I've now noticed that on dark mode when in apps like settings or play store, whatever has the generic dark background, my screen is darker on the right side. And every time the refresh rate switches from 90 to 60hz there's a noticable change in color hue.
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The only reason I am using pixel 6 is camera!
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Would be interesting to know which phone you came from, since the P6 is a budget/midrange product with some clear trade-offs (screen in particular), so are your expectations realistic? This is not a 1000 dollar Flagship phone.
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I was using oneplus 7t pro befor (90 hz quad hd display). It cost me same as pixel 6