Firstly, I'm a non-root user of Greenify. When I first installed it (over a year ago, I believe), I was able to add most of my apps to hibernation (by hitting the "+" button and then "show all apps", then "More" at the bottom, and then choosing the apps from there. I admit, I have many apps installed (I know, it's not great and I tend to collect apps more than I use them but that's why I installed Greenify) so once I went to hibernate all those apps, it would take a bit but eventually go through with the additions. From then on, I would periodically add newly installed apps to the hibernation protocol through the same routine (+, Show all apps, More). I hadn't installed new apps for awhile until recently, when I decided to do another round of additions but for the past few months, any time I've tried, I get the loading circle for a second before it freezes and nothing happens - I have to close the app and reopen it only to run into the same issue again. I can hibernate the apps previously added with the widget and from the app itself but I can't add any new ones to the hibernation list. I've tried multiple times and even let my phone sit there with the frozen spinny circle to see if it just needs time to load but after 5 whole minutes of waiting, I had to give up. I do have a lot of apps but most of them have been given the hibernation treatment so the remaining pool of apps to be added to the list should be relatively small and when I choose the option to "hibernate system apps", system apps show up in the list when I hit the "+" (although I haven't added any system apps to the hibernate list for fear I could mess with my phone's functionality) but I when I hit the "More" option at the bottom, it does the same spinny-circle freeze thing again and marking or not marking "show all apps" makes no difference. I have a Galaxy S8, update to Oreo 8.0 so I'm wondering if this is an issue I'm running into because of the update, but I think I had this problem before joining the Beta. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I also have the donation package - I've had it since shortly after installing Greenify and there weren't any problems since then before the last few months. Thanks!
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Firstly, I'm a non-root user of Greenify. When I first installed it (over a year ago, I believe), I was able to add most of my apps to hibernation (by hitting the "+" button and then "show all apps", then "More" at the bottom, and then choosing the apps from there. I admit, I have many apps installed (I know, it's not great and I tend to collect apps more than I use them but that's why I installed Greenify) so once I went to hibernate all those apps, it would take a bit but eventually go through with the additions. From then on, I would periodically add newly installed apps to the hibernation protocol through the same routine (+, Show all apps, More). I hadn't installed new apps for awhile until recently, when I decided to do another round of additions but for the past few months, any time I've tried, I get the loading circle for a second before it freezes and nothing happens - I have to close the app and reopen it only to run into the same issue again. I can hibernate the apps previously added with the widget and from the app itself but I can't add any new ones to the hibernation list. I've tried multiple times and even let my phone sit there with the frozen spinny circle to see if it just needs time to load but after 5 whole minutes of waiting, I had to give up. I do have a lot of apps but most of them have been given the hibernation treatment so the remaining pool of apps to be added to the list should be relatively small and when I choose the option to "hibernate system apps", system apps show up in the list when I hit the "+" (although I haven't added any system apps to the hibernate list for fear I could mess with my phone's functionality) but I when I hit the "More" option at the bottom, it does the same spinny-circle freeze thing again and marking or not marking "show all apps" makes no difference. I have a Galaxy S8, update to Oreo 8.0 so I'm wondering if this is an issue I'm running into because of the update, but I think I had this problem before joining the Beta. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I also have the donation package - I've had it since shortly after installing Greenify and there weren't any problems since then before the last few months. Thanks!
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You may have to go through a tedious process. Clear the data and cache of Greenify, uninstall it, reboot and then reinstall it. Grant the necessary permissions through adb. Then choose all the apps that you want to hibernate. Other than this, I don't think that there is any other way to solve your issue.
Be aware that backing up and restoring the settings of Greenify may also restore the issue you are facing.
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You may have to go through a tedious process. Clear the data and cache of Greenify, uninstall it, reboot and then reinstall it. Grant the necessary permissions through adb. Then choose all the apps that you want to hibernate. Other than this, I don't think that there is any other way to solve your issue.
Be aware that backing up and restoring the settings of Greenify may also restore the issue you are facing.
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Also recommend being judicious about what apps are added to Greenify's action list. With the introduction of doze Android does a pretty good job reigning in resource abusers. Adding a huge portfolio of apps to Greenify has few/no upsides and can potentially lead to greater resource consumption and poor overall device behavior. Greenify is best used for targeted action against demonstrated 'bad actors' that do not respond well to native resource management. On Oreo your list of Greenified apps should be quite small.
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I've tried doing a lot of personal research before asking. I have watchdog and betterbatterystats. I found 2 apps chewing away at my battery. After using the app I always press back and then it pops up do you really want to exit and I select yes. However, I look at the processes and I will see it running in the background. Using stuff like advanced task killer (and a bunch of other killer apps) doesn't help, as soon as it kills it, the thing just spawns again. I had to force close it or sometimes reboot the phone. Is there any app that locks down these apps so it only allows process to run when the app is in the foreground and as soon as we leave it closes all aspect of that app? (I can't uninstall those 2 apps cause they are kinda essential; but by no means does it require any background process or need to be constantly running). So far it only runs in the background if I opened the app once, but if it starts to auto run I'm screwed.
Is there any app like the cydia backgrounder where I can set a whitelist or a blacklist that only lets the app run in the foreground and as soon as I press home it will stop all its process.
Autostarts in the market. It let's you see what apps start up under what conditions. I would assume you can just doable all conditions the apps can start up from and it would do as you describe.
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Autostarts in the market. It let's you see what apps start up under what conditions. I would assume you can just doable all conditions the apps can start up from and it would do as you describe.
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I have autostart doesn't work, ok I give you an example:
Groupon app. If you don't load it after a reboot it doesn't run, however as soon as you opened the app once. Theres like no way to close it.
Come-on... one of you guys must know how to close an app and prevent it from loading up after I leave the app. Isn't there anything like cydia backgrounder that I can set so apps are only allowed to load in the foreground and closes as soon as go back to the launcher???
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The best solution to this is to install titanium backup. After that, create a widget in ur homescreen and select titanium backup widget (action). Then, select the action freeze/defrost/launch and after select the app ex. Facebook and create the widget. After, you will notice that the widget for the Facebook app has created to ur homescreen with a green locker. If u press on it, it will lock the app (freezed it actually) so it doesnt run. if you want to run the app, tap again on it and automatically will defrost it and launch it.
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I've tried doing a lot of personal research before asking. I have watchdog and betterbatterystats. I found 2 apps chewing away at my battery. After using the app I always press back and then it pops up do you really want to exit and I select yes. However, I look at the processes and I will see it running in the background. Using stuff like advanced task killer (and a bunch of other killer apps) doesn't help, as soon as it kills it, the thing just spawns again. I had to force close it or sometimes reboot the phone. Is there any app that locks down these apps so it only allows process to run when the app is in the foreground and as soon as we leave it closes all aspect of that app? (I can't uninstall those 2 apps cause they are kinda essential; but by no means does it require any background process or need to be constantly running). So far it only runs in the background if I opened the app once, but if it starts to auto run I'm screwed.
Is there any app like the cydia backgrounder where I can set a whitelist or a blacklist that only lets the app run in the foreground and as soon as I press home it will stop all its process.
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I just want to add some info for a better understanding even if I understand what you meant.
1. A package showing in the process list after you chose "exit" is a sign for a service running. This is not necessary bad as there are many services doing nothing but waiting for events to process (of course some service do stuff in the background and it is good to look after those).
2. In Android there is no such concept as an app, there are activities (dialogs), and services and both have pretty complex life cycles (not just opened or closed) as you can see here
But back to your question: the right way to get rid of apps you don't want/need (also called bloatware in some cases) is to freeze them. One good tool for doing that is titanium backup.
chamonix said:
I just want to add some info for a better understanding even if I understand what you meant.
1. A package showing in the process list after you chose "exit" is a sign for a service running. This is not necessary bad as there are many services doing nothing but waiting for events to process (of course some service do stuff in the background and it is good to look after those).
2. In Android there is no such concept as an app, there are activities (dialogs), and services and both have pretty complex life cycles (not just opened or closed) as you can see here
But back to your question: the right way to get rid of apps you don't want/need (also called bloatware in some cases) is to freeze them. One good tool for doing that is titanium backup.
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I understand the point of apps that show up and are 0% cpu usage like facebook etc. I was only using it as an example. There are plenty of other apps that do infact chew up cpu and battery after it is loaded for the first time and is unable to close the background processes (they are shown in the watchdog and betterbatterystats). So the only way is to freeze and unfreeze everytime I use these apps?
I'm sorry if something like this has come up before, it's quite hard to search for specific things like this and I probably look stupid for just realising this now but here goes:
I always assumed that Greenify would only hibernate apps that I myself didn't have running (ie apps that weren't in overview or the foreground) yet I've recently realised that apps in the overview page (recent tasks) on lollipop are also susceptible to being greenified. Is it possible to have apps be excluded from hibernation whilst they are in overview?
For example, I greenify the Eurosport app because it runs a service even though I have push notifications off for it, but I still want to be able to have it in the background and jump back to it without it reloading, so the ideal would be I could leave it in the overview and multitask into it again later. However if the screen has been off for a few minutes Greenify hibernates it meaning it requires a reload, which may in fact use more battery overall than I saved by greenifying it in the first place.
Is it possible to add the condition that apps only get greenified once they've been cleared from overview/recent tasks/multitasking (whatever you want to call it)
It has been discussed before.
1. Android 5.0 removed the ability for an app to get the list of recent apps.
2. Recent app list is actually managed by Android system. An app in the list does not mean its process is still running, and some being squeezed out of the list also do not mean their processes are ended.
So it's not reliable for hibernation to depends on the recent apps list.
In your case, if that app does not cause battery issue, it's suggested to keep it out of Greenify for process to be cached.
I would like to have the maximum of control on running processes, but I feel I have not enough control, so I hope you can help me
I know that being root, managing processes and disable "autoruns" is a quite easy task but unfortunately my device is not an easy to root phone
Furthermore, I saw that Android (4.1.2 Jelly Bean) performance is very bad when you have many apps installed or you used many apps recently. Yes I listen about the internal management and I am aware that it is not a suggested practice but since I want to have control on what is happening and i have serious concerns about the algorithms to free RAM (maybe bull****), so I prefer to do it on my own risk
What I am doing is go to
-Settings, Application manager, Running, "Show cached processes"
- Settings, Application manager, Running, "Show services in use"
Identify what apps are in use and i don't like, then go to
-Settings, Application manager, All,
select app and Click "Force Stop"
Doing it my device has a better performance however, some apps still going alive after some time, for instance: Email ( I saw other in the past)
Using "Autoruns" app and checking "email" app I can see with changes of state can start "Email" however, sometime "email" is reenabled after be manually stopped but none of previous conditions happened.
How can I kill "email" or other app and force to stay off? (disable it and install other email app is not a valid answer)
I would like to use email/others as an standalone app, I mean use when I want and have out of memory when I am not using.
Besides, the autoruns, is there any scheduled task or something like that to open apps?
Of course I want to root my phone and I am waiting until someone will find a proper way to root, in fact I think that an android without rooted is like a car with square shape wheels
I think I found the cause for "mail" app being executed automatically, today it went alive after select "flight mode"
Now I would like to control Google play services, I am seeing some of these being executed continuosly, can they be killed? how?
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I would like to have the maximum of control on running processes, but I feel I have not enough control, so I hope you can help me
I know that being root, managing processes and disable "autoruns" is a quite easy task but unfortunately my device is not an easy to root phone
Furthermore, I saw that Android (4.1.2 Jelly Bean) performance is very bad when you have many apps installed or you used many apps recently. Yes I listen about the internal management and I am aware that it is not a suggested practice but since I want to have control on what is happening and i have serious concerns about the algorithms to free RAM (maybe bull****), so I prefer to do it on my own risk
What I am doing is go to
-Settings, Application manager, Running, "Show cached processes"
- Settings, Application manager, Running, "Show services in use"
Identify what apps are in use and i don't like, then go to
-Settings, Application manager, All,
select app and Click "Force Stop"
Doing it my device has a better performance however, some apps still going alive after some time, for instance: Email ( I saw other in the past)
Using "Autoruns" app and checking "email" app I can see with changes of state can start "Email" however, sometime "email" is reenabled after be manually stopped but none of previous conditions happened.
How can I kill "email" or other app and force to stay off? (disable it and install other email app is not a valid answer)
I would like to use email/others as an standalone app, I mean use when I want and have out of memory when I am not using.
Besides, the autoruns, is there any scheduled task or something like that to open apps?
Of course I want to root my phone and I am waiting until someone will find a proper way to root, in fact I think that an android without rooted is like a car with square shape wheels
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more info about processes, mem and autostart
I am still fighting with Android and how it manages processes, now I am sure that my main problem became each time I went into flight mode or it is restarted.
But it is not only Email being executed and being using in memory but other processes that I am not using doing that, such as:
(Mem. on OS monitor- Mem. in "service in memory"(android settings))
Event: Connectivity changed
-youtube 22.2MB-6.2MB
-Google play services(com.android.gms) 26.8MB-12MB
-Maps 20MB-4.9MB
-Factory Test (18.6MB -3.4MB)
Event: after Startup
-youtube 22.2MB-6.2MB
-Software update (18.0MB-4.3MB)
-Internet (com.android.browser) 18.9MB-3.3MB
There many apps which are executed after events like previous but they are closed after a very short time, but I am frustrated about those which are not unloaded.
Regarding "Email" app I decided to use a free email app and as Email cannot be disabled, so, I removed the accounts associated to email app, however even without accounts configured, it still being launched and wasting resources. can I avoid it?
What do you think?
dapgo said:
I think I found the cause for "mail" app being executed automatically, today it went alive after select "flight mode"
Now I would like to control Google play services, I am seeing some of these being executed continuosly, can they be killed? how?
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It's not possible to do what you want without root, unfortunately (unless you're talking about normal apps, in which case you can uninstall them to keep them from running). An alternative would be to use Greenify, though it won't be fully automatic without root either.
What about editing the startups rights?
Has anyone used APK permission remover?
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It's not possible to do what you want without root, unfortunately (unless you're talking about normal apps, in which case you can uninstall them to keep them from running). An alternative would be to use Greenify, though it won't be fully automatic without root either.
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Apk permission remover never stops an app from automatically starting. It only helps in removing the permissions we see during installation.
dapgo said:
What about editing the startups rights?
Has anyone used APK permission remover?
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You still want to do this 2 years and 7 months later? That's one late reply there
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You still want to do this 2 years and 7 months later? That's one late reply there
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Yes but after SO long I found the app 'autorun manager pro', and it allowed to disable triggers /autoStartups/autoruns
Tl;dr: Skip down to the bolded parts of paragraphs 4 and 5.
I had this very question, and have seen other people post inside numerous threads asking about the same thing. If you're unfamiliar, the Device Care is baked right into your phone with a near identical feature-set to the root-only app Greenify.
Device Care learns your app usage patterns, what apps you use, how often. Which apps you don't use, or which apps are at risk for draining your battery. From there, it will automatically sleep or disable these apps. They can still be used, but you may not receive push notifications; you weren't using them anyways, so most people appreciate this feature, and are not bothered by it.
However, I have many apps that are plugins, things I sporadically use, or apps that I want to ensure are never impeded by battery saving features. In Nougat and Oreo, the Device Care app had a section that said "Unmonitored Apps." You could add apps for this section that you did not want to ever be closed or out to sleep to save power.
In Pie, this section was removed, but the whitelist still exists. Here's what happened, Decide Care battery saving features somewhat overlap Dose. Rather than maintain two different "never optimize these apps for battery usage," they instead pull from the Doze's Optimize Battery Use whitelist. Find this number going to Settings->Search->Optimize battery->Tap, tap again. Adding an app here, prevents you from adding that same app to the "Always Sleeping" section of Device Care, thus demonstrating that this list is the new home for the "Unmonitored Apps" section.
A new whitelist was also created, focused on background apps. Device Care now offers by default to Auto Care everyday, this cleans up temp files and closes background apps. Apps aren't actually force closed though, instead their UI activity is closed, and the service (if one exists) stays running. A whitelist was created for this Auto Care feature. Found in Device Care->Memory->Menu->Apps that aren't checked.
Cheers!
What is Device Care? Is it only for pie? I have 8.0.0 still btw.
I never would have found that
Thanks for this!
I'm confused. There seems to be 2 separate lists. Device care/unmonitored apps and special access/optimize battery usage.
Device Care->Memory->Menu->Apps that aren't checked seems to only apply to apps that are using too much memory.
Settings->Apps->Menu->Special Access->Optimize battery usage (or search for Optimize battery). Then change the dropdown menu from Apps not optimized to All apps to turn off battery optimization for certain apps. This section seems to apply to apps that use mobile networks or sync data (I think this is the one that used to be called doze).
When I set my VPN app to not be checked under the device care/unmonitored apps list, I was still getting notifications to shut it down for "background data usage". Then I went to the to special access/optimize battery usage list and disabled it there as well.
But here is the problem. I have also installed my VPN app in the secure folder. The device care/unmonitored apps list included the secure folder apps but the special access/optimize battery usage does not include app in the secure folder. So I don't see any way to disable battery optimization for my VPN app in the secure folder.
So confusing!
Hello, it is really nice info, although doesn't seem to work for me... The app in my case is EyeDTV, which is for watching TV from EyeTV from my Mac, and it goes to sleep anyway... It doesn't work at all at least in my s10+
My background apps are killed way too often. Is it possible to change that behaviour? Even music apps are killed while I'm playing music.
I have tried several custom roms and kernels but nothing seems to change the settings. Is either able to change RAM management settings?
I have also tried several apps that claim to be able to change RAM management settings without success.
Disabling battery optimisation doesn't help.
I have uninstalled unused apps and disabled autostart (boot completed receiver) for non-essential apps to reduce RAM usage.
When I use a RAM monitor it will show RAM usage at ~75% when apps are killed.
My old phone (Note 4) only had 3 GB ram but could still keep more apps in memory.
I don't have that problem.
Have you tried Greenify or similar app to hibernate unwanted apps running in the background? They will only open then when being used and will automatically hibernate again when closed.
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I don't have that problem.
Have you tried Greenify or similar app to hibernate unwanted apps running in the background? They will only open then when being used and will automatically hibernate again when closed.
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That's the reverse of what I'm looking for. I want the apps in the background to keep running.
Telorast said:
That's the reverse of what I'm looking for. I want the apps in the background to keep running.
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Then you misunderstood what I wrote. Read it again.
It's exactly what you want, because then apps you don't want running won't take up your RAM and kick off the apps that you do want running. Like your flashlight app should NOT be running the background all the time. One example. Lots of devs think their apps are most important and should always run in the background, so when you "launch" them they are there instantly.
Like I said, I don't have your issue. My apps I WANT running stay running.
If you hibernate the UN-wanted apps, that will give more freedom to apps you DO want running in the background.
There are other apps besides Greenify which may do that task even better, it's just the most well known. It shows you complete list if apps running in the background and you can choose which you WANT to run and which you want to stay killed until you choose to activate them. Those apps will be forced hibernated from then on -- until you manually activate them. When you close them, they will STAY closed and not run in the background sucking up your RAM. It also allows you to go through your entire inventory and decide yes/no. For instance, weather widget, email, yes. Benchmarking app, NO.
Worth a try. Installed Greenify and added most apps with ignore background-free.
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Worth a try. Installed Greenify and added most apps with ignore background-free.
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I even hibernate alleged background free apps, just in case.
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Lots of devs think their apps are most important and should always run in the background, so when you "launch" them they are there instantly.
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VERY TRUE!
This always infuriated me, not just on phones, PCs too, all the way back to the DOS days. An obsession with running in the background, as if it's particularly clever. :cyclops:
I've also found that turning off battery optimization for apps I don't want killed helps. I've had the same experience with music and podcast apps getting killed in the background and turning off their battery optimization usually fixes it.
There are some simple things to try that do not require any special apk's. One is to look in the apps section of the "Developer options" sub-menu. The default settings work well in most instances. Perhaps you accidently enabled closing of apps when a background limit has been reached or have ticked force closure of apps on exit.
Another place to look is in the "Power saving exclusions" sub-menu in the Battery settings. Music makes some boring forms of exercise less tiresome and provides additional motivation for activities that are challenging but fun (mountain biking). The music should not stop, but it might for default settings. Enabling a power saving exclusion for your music app will keep it running.
ChazzMatt said:
Then you misunderstood what I wrote. Read it again.
It's exactly what you want, because then apps you don't want running won't take up your RAM and kick off the apps that you do want running. Like your flashlight app should NOT be running the background all the time. One example. Lots of devs think their apps are most important and should always run in the background, so when you "launch" them they are there instantly.
Like I said, I don't have your issue. My apps I WANT running stay running.
If you hibernate the UN-wanted apps, that will give more freedom to apps you DO want running in the background.
There are other apps besides Greenify which may do that task even better, it's just the most well known. It shows you complete list if apps running in the background and you can choose which you WANT to run and which you want to stay killed until you choose to activate them. Those apps will be forced hibernated from then on -- until you manually activate them. When you close them, they will STAY closed and not run in the background sucking up your RAM. It also allows you to go through your entire inventory and decide yes/no. For instance, weather widget, email, yes. Benchmarking app, NO.
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Been using Greenify for a bit now and doesn't seem to help much. It shows a bunch of hibernated apps but multitasking is still nearly impossible.
I had assumed the problem was related to the Mem Free settings rather than actual free memory but no one here has mentioned it. Is that because no one else thinks it's the problem or maybe I have misunderstood what those settings do?
I thought apps were free to use as much memory as they want until certain thresholds on total memory usage were met, then the system would ask or force apps to release memory.
Apps that let you edit those settings usually shows several thresholds where the system gets progressively more aggressive at freeing memory as memory is running out. But they all look hopelessly out of date so maybe it works completely differently today?