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Hey there,
I pre-ordered the Mate 10pro which will arrive in about two weeks here in Germany. Now there are some leaks of the Honor V10 which will be presented on December 5th and will be available probably early in 2018.
The specs seem to be very similar, especially the AI enhanced processor - so my question is:
What is the big difference, what will I lose when I take the V10 instead?
might as well wait a few more weeks. Imagine finding out after you bought a M10P only to find out something just as impressive at a third of the price. only 4 weeks to go.
Dito13 said:
Hey there,
I pre-ordered the Mate 10pro which will arrive in about two weeks here in Germany. Now there are some leaks of the Honor V10 which will be presented on December 5th and will be available probably early in 2018.
The specs seem to be very similar, especially the AI enhanced processor - so my question is:
What is the big difference, what will I lose when I take the V10 instead?
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With the bezeless 18:9 ratio and front fp, the v10 has caught my curiosity as well what they have to offer. Also on the lookout if there will be a Honor Magic, 2nd edition.
That said, no honor phones were on the Mate 9 pro level last year or even standard Mate 9. So i expect the same to be the case here as well. No reason to be disappointed unless your buying the Mate 10 pro with a heavy sigh over its price. Honor phones tick the main boxes like ram and same processor, but tend to cut corners were it is less of a highlight like for example getting a lesser quality display, lesser premium build although a catchy design, weaker audio or loudspeaker, no earphones included and so on. Honor 8 pro currently sold at 475£, so a 64gb V10 should be about 500£.
You also have to wait more for it (time = money) and by the time it releases outside China we get Huawei P11 series ready for launch. And then 2 months after that you get the Honor 10 launched, and so on. Its a never ending game. The timing looks like its launched to compete the Oneplus 5T, so not far fetched to expect the Honor V10 to launch in a particular market close to the OnePlus5T launch.
The main difference will likely be cameras.
If Honor v10 camera dont have OIS, go for mate 10. Other specs will probably the same with mate 10 with usually Honor design a bit better. Better wait for it, maybe can save a lot of money.
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warea said:
With the bezeless 18:9 ratio and front fp, the v10 has caught my curiosity as well what they have to offer. Also on the lookout if there will be a Honor Magic, 2nd edition.
That said, no honor phones were on the Mate 9 pro level last year or even standard Mate 9. So i expect the same to be the case here as well. No reason to be disappointed unless your buying the Mate 10 pro with a heavy sigh over its price. Honor phones tick the main boxes like ram and same processor, but tend to cut corners were it is less of a highlight like for example getting a lesser quality display, lesser premium build although a catchy design, weaker audio or loudspeaker, no earphones included and so on. Honor 8 pro currently sold at 475£, so a 64gb V10 should be about 500£.
You also have to wait more for it (time = money) and by the time it releases outside China we get Huawei P11 series ready for launch. And then 2 months after that you get the Honor 10 launched, and so on. Its a never ending game. The timing looks like its launched to compete the Oneplus 5T, so not far fetched to expect the Honor V10 to launch in a particular market close to the OnePlus5T launch.
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That's not essentially true. The Honor V9 was on a par with the Mate 9 Pro, except for the camera. The V9 was better than the Mate 9 having higher resolution screen. The UK version - the Honor 8 Pro was the same, just only came with 64GB internal space.
I must admit I was annoyed after buying my Mate 10 only to see the Honor V10 announced with largely the same specs, but much lower cost!
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That's not essentially true. The Honor V9 was on a par with the Mate 9 Pro, except for the camera. The V9 was better than the Mate 9 having higher resolution screen. The UK version - the Honor 8 Pro was the same, just only came with 64GB internal space.
I must admit I was annoyed after buying my Mate 10 only to see the Honor V10 announced with largely the same specs, but much lower cost!
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Honor 8 pro released 4 months after Mate 9 and had the older generation dual 12mp Lecia camera with that iphonish design.
And the other aspect was that, at least in the middle east market the difference between Honor and Huawei was not that large as was the case in China. Out here, it was a difference of 50$ at best. Weirdly the Honor 9 is even costlier than the Huawei P10 and priced as much as Mate 9, see: https://store.hihonor.com/ae/index.php/honor/smartphones).
Whatever the case with V10 whether it makes the Mate 10 series obsolete/overpriced or not, we will know soon.
warea said:
Honor 8 pro released 4 months after Mate 9 and had the older generation dual 12mp Lecia camera with that iphonish design.
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The same as the V9? That was only 3 months behind it. So in essence, a cheaper Honor phone follows with largely the same specs and about 2/3 the price.
Don't get me wrong - I selected the Mate Pro 9 over the V9 - but if you can't afford the top line Huawei phones, then just wait. In this case, the V10 is not far behind and way better than the Mate 10 Lite.
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In this case, the V10 is not far behind and way better than the Mate 10 Lite.
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This part no doubt i agree, if people have real issue with price of Mate 10 series or any other Huawei phones, than you can wait for the Honor phones as that is exactly what the Honor brand addresses with their line of phones.
warea said:
Honor 8 pro released 4 months after Mate 9 and had the older generation dual 12mp Lecia camera with that iphonish design.
And the other aspect was that, at least in the middle east market the difference between Honor and Huawei was not that large as was the case in China. Out here, it was a difference of 50$ at best. Weirdly the Honor 9 is even costlier than the Huawei P10 and priced as much as Mate 9, see: https://store.hihonor.com/ae/index.php/honor/smartphones).
Whatever the case with V10 whether it makes the Mate 10 series obsolete/overpriced or not, we will know soon.
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I've been using P9, Honor 9 and Mate 10,
All i can say is that, this Leica name tag on Mate and P series is not for nothing,
Although Honor camera is no slouch either, but in terms of image processing, P and Mate series are clear winner,
Not to mention that Honor series normally remove OIS from its cam to save price.
honor series are non leica....cmiiw
bocaheror said:
honor series are non leica....cmiiw
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Yes, already mentioned.
V10 teaser is about AI
https://weibo.com/2554757470/FuVjQ6deS?refer_flag=1001030103_&type=comment
But i suspect, most of the AI functions would be like the case of Honor Magic that it functions only in China.
It'd have the Kirin 970 chipset eitherway
Thank you all guys for the interesting discussion! I guess I will check out the M10P first. I ordered it via Amazon so I can return it for 30 days.
What are your impressions concerning community support for Honor vs. Huawei here on XDA (custom ROMs, mods, root etc.)?
On other thought is that afaik Honor phones often have a much higher Sar value.
Grrr. The presentation in London was just about the 7x, not the V10 a.k.a. the Honor 9 pro.
This will likely be presented on January 7th...
Dito13 said:
Hey there,
I pre-ordered the Mate 10pro which will arrive in about two weeks here in Germany. Now there are some leaks of the Honor V10 which will be presented on December 5th and will be available probably early in 2018.
The specs seem to be very similar, especially the AI enhanced processor - so my question is:
What is the big difference, what will I lose when I take the V10 instead?
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Différences are :
- LCD Screen for honor 10
- Camera in low brightness
- Phone material
Are mate 10 pro and ni pro will get face unlock? Like v10
Huawei Mate 10
V10 this time is totally different from both Mate 10 series. Only similarity is the Kirin 970 chipset. Otherwise its specs is such that it is different from both Mate 10 and Mate 10 pro. IPS FHD+ 18:9 screen with front fp, older design language, slimmer with smaller battery, different camera specs for front and rear camera, headphone jack and memory expansion slot.
Hello when do you get Honor 9 Android 8?
Will there ever be such an update date has there been declared for Europe I am asking.
It is in beta now, so I am assuming after it finishes that.
buchman said:
It is in beta now, so I am assuming after it finishes that.
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In Firmware Finder, there is no beta on Android 8 to get her to see it or later release it?
Unfairand said:
Guys I request everyone not to purchase these honor branded devices, even though they are marketed as flagship killers they won't receive proper updates once the device gets past the 6-9 month period, you can't even expect security updates one has to literally beg them, its better to purchase one plus, Samsung and Sony flagships because they are at least guaranteed to receive security update when ever there is a bug and proper OS upgrades, they ditched their flagship honor 7 from receiving nougat update stating Kirin 935 soc isn't compatible with newer update, similar lines this year they ditched honor 8 which boasts another flagship SOC Kirin 950 , stating the same reason its not compatible with newer Oreo update, so it clearly means that kirin 9xx is a flagship grade chip set series from Huawei which is not supportive for future upgrades? So is it good to buy them even after knowing their compatibility issues with future upgrades? I had invested 29k INR in Nov 2016 during honor 8 launch time, India and purchased this device over one plus 3T trusting their 2 year software update policy and security updates for every 3 months, clearly they cheated me and I regret buying honor 8 using my hard earned money instead of one plus device, so i request everyone to boycott honor devices, but the strange thing is honor mid ranges like 655 equipped devices are confirmed for Oreo, its a clear case of cheating to drive growth of newer flagships by ditching older flagships, Huawei as a brand itself has lot of conspiracies surrounding it, its better if we developer community boycott such brands, Good that US regulatory authorities are imposing ban on huawei, I can see the future of this company going down the drain in the similar way they expanded
I request xda please don't support this brand for monetary gains and spoil your reputation!
You honor 9 won't receive android P , going by the track record of hONOR
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huawei have officially stated that the honor 8 WILL be receiving oreo,
as for the honor 9, it has full support for project treble once it gets oreo (suppose the honor 8 will have that too)
considering oreo beta 2 is taking place at he moment within Europe, i can't expect any more than 1 month until it at least becomes available in the firmwarefinder app
Wow, just wow. Are you on a spam tour? Why do you post this in every honor forum? To bad you're sour about not getting an update. Stop spamming.
How to register to get oreo beta?
For bulgaria no project to beta?
http://prikachi.com/images/209/9247209c.png
ambitiousButRubbish said:
huawei have officially stated that the honor 8 WILL be receiving oreo,
as for the honor 9, it has full support for project treble once it gets oreo (suppose the honor 8 will have that too)
considering oreo beta 2 is taking place at he moment within Europe, i can't expect any more than 1 month until it at least becomes available in the firmwarefinder app
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Have you read this ? Honor fails to keep its promise, says Honor 8 will not receive Android 8.0 Oreo from phonearena.
Leonidas.M said:
Have you read this ? Honor fails to keep its promise, says Honor 8 will not receive Android 8.0 Oreo from phonearena.
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Ok, i believe i was mistaken on that one, i was pretty sure i'd read that oreo beta was taking place on both the honor 9 and 8, BUT iv'e just checked and it turns out that the honor 8 isn't officially getting oreo.
Either way, as iv'e already stated, once official oreo for the honor 9 is out, and devs get hold of the source, since its a fully supported treble build, i can only assume the custom ROMs should start to appear.
The SOC in the honor 8 is not too different from the kirin 960 (going by the actual ARM cores used in it 4xA53 in both, though the 950 has 4xA72 rather than A73 in the 960), so i can't see there being too much difficulty in porting the source code for the 960 to the 950 (i'm not proficient in this topic, so please correct me if i'm wrong, I stick to application programming, not OS core stuff)
Either way, I HOPE with project treble porting to different CPUs should be easier than it is now (requiring source code from manufacturer etc...) and hopefully we see some more custom ROMs.
Just waiting for lineage 15...
Manual in finish for oreo on honor 9:
http://download-c1.huawei.com/download/downloadCenter?downloadId=98213
ambitiousButRubbish said:
Ok, i believe i was mistaken on that one, i was pretty sure i'd read that oreo beta was taking place on both the honor 9 and 8, BUT iv'e just checked and it turns out that the honor 8 isn't officially getting oreo.
Either way, as iv'e already stated, once official oreo for the honor 9 is out, and devs get hold of the source, since its a fully supported treble build, i can only assume the custom ROMs should start to appear.
The SOC in the honor 8 is not too different from the kirin 960 (going by the actual ARM cores used in it 4xA53 in both, though the 950 has 4xA72 rather than A73 in the 960), so i can't see there being too much difficulty in porting the source code for the 960 to the 950 (i'm not proficient in this topic, so please correct me if i'm wrong, I stick to application programming, not OS core stuff)
Either way, I HOPE with project treble porting to different CPUs should be easier than it is now (requiring source code from manufacturer etc...) and hopefully we see some more custom ROMs.
Just waiting for lineage 15...
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Well,i just read somewhere and it turned out that Huawei finally decided to keep his promise on honor 8.Is that true?If so we can be more optimistic about our honor 9's Android P:laugh:
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hujialun2002 said:
Well,i just read somewhere and it turned out that Huawei finally decided to keep his promise on honor 8.Is that true?If so we can be more optimistic about our honor 9's Android P:laugh:
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Probably the same thing I saw, plus openkirin released an aosp Oreo build for the honor 8
What u guys think is this phone worth of this price. 33000 rs
Or should we wait for one +6
The OP6 is rumored to start at 37k and I think the marginal improvements and features like wireless charging would be worth the extra 4k. Also, if you're into Honor phones, the view 10 is cheaper in India having the same processor and ram, but with expandable storage and a bigger screen. The Honor 10 would be a better buy abroad as it undercuts the view 10 by €50
Honor is not good in providing updates, development support. HONOR view 10 in India is still with 8.0 and Feb patches. No one knows if they release 8.1 or not. No proper response to users. No proper roadmap of updates. And no volte and AI support in custom roms.
I recommend you to go for Oneplus even if it costs little more.
venreddy said:
Honor is not good in providing updates, development support. HONOR view 10 in India is still with 8.0 and Feb patches. No one knows if they release 8.1 or not. No proper response to users. No proper roadmap of updates. And no volte and AI support in custom roms.
I recommend you to go for Oneplus even if it costs little more.
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Ya already made my mind. Bought the amazon voucher also. Definitely going for one plus 6
Seems over priced considering you can get a view 10 for extra £20 and OnePlus 6 for extra £69 both with more ram and OnePlus 6 better development and regular updates , I think the price has killed it before it's even begun and the fact honor slow updating and far to many region firmware floating around gets confusing , better of with the global OnePlus 6 one firmware for all is the way forward ,honor will never learn ?[emoji39]
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Hello,
can you tell me please which phone is better ?
Im deciding about this two phones.
I love this notch display, but the LG G6 has IP68 and i think better support with android and custom roms.
I recommend Honor 10.
It is a newer phone and has more power under the hood. Also, Huawei provides better support for its devices and more timely security updates. My daughter's Honor 6x has the Junes patch while my G6+ is till on January's.
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Huawei provides better support for its devices and more timely security updates.
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"Huawei provides better support for its devices" - Simply, no.
"[...] more timely security updates" - It's true but only for the newest flagships. They stopped updating my last phone after a year.
Frutak said:
Hello,
can you tell me please which phone is better ?
Im deciding about this two phones.
I love this notch display, but the LG G6 has IP68 and i think better support with android and custom roms.
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I had a same issue last week trying to decide wheather to pick up LG G6 or Honor 10.
Honor 10 is a newer phone has more storage and a newer processor which means it will be faster. It also has a new slick look with barely any bezels although LG G6 has similiar screen to body ratio. LG G6 on the other hand has SD card support and IP68 and also is a last year flag ship phone(even though it was the slowest of flagships last year)
I have never owned a Huawei so I don't know how they handle updates for their phones but I believe both Honor and LG G6 should be updated to Android 9 in the future.
In the end I went with LG G6 mostly due to sd card support, IP68 and ability to unlock bootloader and flash custom roms. As far as I know Huwaei has recently stopped providing official ways to unlock bootloaders in their phones which means that there won't be many if any custom roms for Honor.(You might want to post this in Honor 10 forums to confirm that).
if you are confused with G6 and P10 or P20 my answer was pretty obvious: P10 or P20 was better than G6, but talking about Honor, well, G6 have better features and allow custom rom's and so on...things if you like you gonna miss with Honor 10.
overall Honor can have a better speaker, a better and more pleaseble screen but in the end G6 win for the amazing camera and sd card support.
Honor 10 no OIS no IP68 dust/water proof (up to 1.5m for 30 mins), MIL-STD-810G compliant
that was my point to pick G6 over Honor 10
if the look and compact size your first and last priority then pick honor 10
Everything except g6
Lg is a lier and i recommend you don't buy any lg product.
I bought Honor 10. guys thanks for nice advices
I need to buy a phone soon. Wife cracked her screen and I will be giving her my mate 9 that I've been pretty happy with.
So I'm looking to buy either a mate 10 pro which is $470 on Amazon or the new OP6T. I've tried both of them out and the 6T is looking very sexy and modern but I reckon that feeling will wear off in a few days. I feel like the 10 pro may have better battery and camera.
Which bring me to my criteria. I need dual sim, good battery and camera and I don't root etc and don't have a problem with Emui.
Thoughts?
Mate 10 Pro have a better camera and better battery.
OP6T looks very good ..
In my opinion (I rooting all my phones).. I don't buy Huawei phone because has removed the community due to blocking access to the bootloader
OP 6T if you don't mind the battery. There's the Google Camera port for the OP 6T plus it supports 4K EIS for video recording. Also the 845 is better than the kirin 970
Well the 6T has an iffy fingerprint reader, the camera sucks (and it's not just the software) and just installing a port of the Google camera doesn't fix that. As far as the CPU goes, that's kind of subjective, the Kirin 970 is a very capable processor. The Kirin 970 has their advanced modem and will give you very good LTE speeds (I'm getting between 45 to 90mbps versus 18 to 24mbps with my mate 9) For a dual SIM phone I would really go with the mate 10 pro BLA-L29 international model, just remember that if you're in the US it won't have any warranty
I like the normal mate 10 over the mate 10 pro. Has headphone jack and front finger print sensor that acts as the 3 buttons too
Granted I don't have a pro version to compare against except on paper specs...
Appreciate the answers. The more I want to get the OP6T the more the 10 pro is looking better. Did the 10 pro dual sim version get the P20 pro night mode? If it did is it as good?
stay away from huawei after closed unlock bootloader service, and also there's no supporting for it,, and if you insist on mate 10 pro stay with Chinese version they have all support for OTA update.
OnePlus 6T is better with SD845 you'll have a lot of supporting from Developers, rom's, kernels, tweaks,, a lots of things.
i bought mate 10, 128G and 6Gb ram and i hate it after fkng huawei closed unlock service.
hamadazh said:
stay away from huawei after closed unlock bootloader service, and also there's no supporting for it,, and if you incest on mate 10 pro stay with Chinese version they have all support for OTA update.
OnePlus 6T is better with SD845 you'll have a lot of supporting from Developers, rom's, kernels, tweaks,, a lots of things.
i bought mate 10, 128G and 6Gb ram and i hate it after fkng huawei closed unlock service.
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Why do you assume everyone cares if the bootloader is locked?
IMO the mate 10 pro has better battery life, better camera, and is waterproof (plus I actually like EMUI and its features)
I have the mate 10 pro, battery is very good, but the most you get with pro mode and playing around with many settings... It's not the easy quick perfect picture camera. It has received many updates and it's camera is very capable (night mode of course is not as good as p20pro, it's got different sensors)
The op6t camera is very good. Some people here said it's trash but they are talking Bs. Just take a look for yourself and Google samples from op6 or 6t users. It's a great camera.
But I would go with the op6t any day. The kirin 970 is good on paper and benchmarks but it overheats very fast, I cannot play pubg on lowest settings after 10min it thermothrottles and fps drop. The op6t just has the newer gen CPU which will be important going forward if you are going to keep the phone for 3+ years.
The op6t battery is very similar in size I don't think the difference should be too big to be a deciding factor. Both have fast face unlock though the fingerprint reader ist different. Decide what you like better.
All in all I think op6t is the more up to date phone which will also receive more updates and has better hardware for the upcoming 3years of use. The m10pro is more like the old, strong buddy that can still keep up. But the question is for how long.
I've been using the mate 10 Pro for nearly a year. Mine is running June security update and no software update for 5 months.
I'm selling my mate 10 Pro and buying the OnePlus 6t this week.
I've had enough of Huawei lack of support and updates.
I wouldn't buy Huawei again.
I've been using a regular mate 10 for a year and mine stays up to date. I don't use anything special, the updates just come over the air. It seems some people don't get updates but both my mate 9 and 10 keep getting updates.
What update you are looking for? Mate 10 Pro has all security patches. If you are talking about Android 8.1 it is not that major update and maybe that is why only China models received it. The next Major Android 9 will soon be available and that's what matters.
UK version C782 are still on June security patch and 132. We are 6 months behind with bug fixing updates improvements and most important security! We have been left behind in the UK and that is why we are all jumping ship
10 pro. I already had oneplus devices, and didn't like them as much as I did with the Huawei ones. Imo, the build quality is far better. It's on par with Apple. The camera is fantastic. The battery is a major goal. At first, I was having problems to get use with EMUI, in the end I passed to like it. It's not as good as oxygen os, but it's have been improving. So, I'll keep my 10 pro for more 6 months or a year.
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[...] The kirin 970 is good on paper and benchmarks but it overheats very fast, I cannot play pubg on lowest settings after 10min it thermothrottles and fps drop. The op6t just has the newer gen CPU which will be important going forward if you are going to keep the phone for 3+ years. [...]
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Hu, something's wrong with your device. I play PUBG on higher setting everyday with coworkers at lunch, and I can play at least 30 minutes (since pause are not longer than that) consuming only 13% battery (not from 100%) and getting a 30-35°C that is not so hot, comparing to iPhone 8S that drain twice as much and can be barely kept in hand for the same lenght of time. Maybe some phone are better, but well, mate 10 pro is really good a handling games. My nintendo switch got hotter than that...
That said, I do not like the overhsarpening/oil-ing effect of the camera, so, even mid-tier camera are better for me, I would not go for the mate 10 for the camera.
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UK version C782 are still on June security patch and 132. We are 6 months behind with bug fixing updates improvements and most important security! We have been left behind in the UK and that is why we are all jumping ship
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I'm not, albeit I've rebranded to c432. I had an OP3 and came to Huawei primarily for the battery life, and here the Mate 10 pro still has nearly 10% bigger battery.
tmzbeme said:
Why do you assume everyone cares if the bootloader is locked?
IMO the mate 10 pro has better battery life, better camera, and is waterproof (plus I actually like EMUI and its features)
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as you like,, and you already like it!! and it's just opinion :good: no one force you to not buying it,, for me i like that things like unlocked bootloader and root and play in system and change rom's etc,, and i wish to replace my mate 10 with OnePlust 6t,, or other brand.
regards
Anything but Huawei. With a custom ROM things are okay, but relying on Huawei to update? Yes, they currently still treat this device as a flagship. But my other phone, a P10 Plus already lagging behind. Luckily I do have the bootloader unlocked on that device, so that's a relief.
If I had to do a comparison, Huawei updates are like Samsung. Be glad if you ever get them. Is OnePlus that great? Nope. Fingerprint sucks, camera sucks, battery sucks, warranty is the worst out of any manufacturer.
What to buy? Great question!
Been struggling with the same problem. There is just no choice on the market without compromise. Huawei had it all with the large battery, best of the best inside, but they decided to flip off customers and disallow the bootloader unlock.
Rip. I would probably buy a OnePlus 5T, Poco F1 (has no NFC and some screens have touch issues).