Please don’t delete this topic it’s fair warning!
I hate to be right sometimes but as I told long ago after years of testing it turns out that the best camera of Samsung was in S6 / S6Edge+. Test it yourself. Hold S6 in one hand and for example S8 in the other and take a photo in good light. Then zoom it on the phone and you will see that S6 has better details, no artificial brightener while for example S8 has it.
S6 has 16 Mpix and all flagships that came after had 12 Mpix rear camera.
I’ve tested S6 Edge Plus vs. S7 / S8 / S8+, Note8, S9, S9+ and…
only S9+ finally beat S6. (look how Samsung did bad for us from Sep2015 till March2018)
I wish I had NOT sale my S6 and bought a newer one
If You don't believe me? Ask XDA members who has S6 and a later Galaxy S model (but not S9+)
This is a Warning for You don't sell your S6!!!! or sell only if you can afford to buy S9+.
I did the wrong thing so I Warn you no to make the same mistake that I did
You realise and understand these devices can do a lot more than just take pictures, right? They're intended to be used for more than just a camera. All the newer devices has better features and hardware that people might need more than just what a quick photo looks like. If image quality in photos are that important, just get a proper DSLR camera and use the smartphone for all the other features it was intended to be used for.
The tiny distance between the 2 cameras when you click the picture, or the very slight change in ambient light if the pictures are consecutively to each other, is enough for the camera to choose a different ISO. This impacts perceived detail more than you might believe it does. Besides, the sensors after the S6 were larger and therefore more difficult to stabilise optically. It follows that you cannot evaluate perceived detail without professionally controlled conditions.
If a camera is very important, buy a DSLR.
Do not buy a phone just for the camera, they are only meant for the day to day snaps, which they do very well.
The purpose of this post was to warn all of ppl that DO want to use only smartfion to take pics.
I have no agenda against Note8. I just know that a lot of ppl are massivly abandoning S6 cause they think that cam will be significntly better on a newer Galaxy. Out of my good heart I want to spare them the dissapointment.
Like I said if a person wants to change S6 only for pics quality reason they should buy nothing less than S9+ otherwise they will be sadly dissapointed.
androidbadboy said:
Please don’t delete this topic it’s fair warning!
I hate to be right sometimes but as I told long ago after years of testing it turns out that the best camera of Samsung was in S6 / S6Edge+. Test it yourself. Hold S6 in one hand and for example S8 in the other and take a photo in good light. Then zoom it on the phone and you will see that S6 has better details, no artificial brightener while for example S8 has it.
S6 has 16 Mpix and all flagships that came after had 12 Mpix rear camera.
I’ve tested S6 Edge Plus vs. S7 / S8 / S8+, Note8, S9, S9+ and…
only S9+ finally beat S6. (look how Samsung did bad for us from Sep2015 till March2018)
I wish I had NOT sale my S6 and bought a newer one
If You don't believe me? Ask XDA members who has S6 and a later Galaxy S model (but not S9+)
This is a Warning for You don't sell your S6!!!! or sell only if you can afford to buy S9+.
I did the wrong thing so I Warn you no to make the same mistake that I did
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Good to know but could you put here some samples?
To all malcontents its not normal while company is saying that the camera is improved between generations but in final its not. Its a fraud. Cheat should come out into the daylight
akslow said:
Good to know but could you put here some samples?
To all malcontents its not normal while company is saying that the camera is improved between generations but in final its not. Its a fraud. Cheat should come out into the daylight
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During years with my 1000 photos taken by S6EPlus from launch od S7 till launch of S9/S9+ I did it for myself cause Samsung kept on saying that that the photo quality is better in good light than previous S models. So I went to the electronics shop. I one hand I had my phone and in the other the newer Galscy version. I joined hands, pointed forward in the same linear direction and I have taken a photo with both (same options on both, for example HDR). Then I opened in both phones the gallery and I looked very intesnly with no zoom and with zoom whsat the quality was.. the S6EPlus won with all but not with S9+. But I did not have the photos from these other models troughout the years cause I was doing it for my self to check my theory that Samsung will be lying about much camera improvment.
Hence no photos. I wasnt planing then to warn everybody. I myself wanted to buy S7E and all the next phones cause I beleived that maybe the next and next model with have a batter cam. I waited 3 years, 3 generations till the emerge of S9+ that I can truely say that in good light S9+ makes better photos than my S6E+. I was planning to buy it but I didnt have enough money
androidbadboy said:
During years with my 1000 photos taken by S6EPlus from launch od S7 till launch of S9/S9+ I did it for myself cause Samsung kept on saying that that the photo quality is better in good light than previous S models. So I went to the electronics shop. I one hand I had my phone and in the other the newer Galscy version. I joined hands, pointed forward in the same linear direction and I have taken a photo with both (same options on both, for example HDR). Then I opened in both phones the gallery and I looked very intesnly with no zoom and with zoom whsat the quality was.. the S6EPlus won with all but not with S9+. But I did not have the photos from these other models troughout the years cause I was doing it for my self to check my theory that Samsung will be lying about much camera improvment.
Hence no photos. I wasnt planing then to warn everybody. I myself wanted to buy S7E and all the next phones cause I beleived that maybe the next and next model with have a batter cam. I waited 3 years, 3 generations till the emerge of S9+ that I can truely say that in good light S9+ makes better photos than my S6E+. I was planning to buy it but I didnt have enough money
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BTW You should change topic cause its saying nothing
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That;s why there is a thread to say everything.
BTW The topic is important cause a SEA of ppl with s6 want to change for something new but not for S9+ only for picture quality reasons. I'm doing good for them ny warning
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1. That's why there is a thread for.
2. topic should stay cause to many ppl with s6 are willling just for cam buy something less than S9+
androidbadboy said:
1. That's why there is a thread for.
2. topic should stay cause to many ppl with s6 are willling just for cam buy something less than S9+
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No, ideally it would be descriptive and concrete...right now it's like more like click bait
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I sent my K Zoom back to Samsung as it required a repair. As well as a very poor, slow service, they have now decided that it is unrepairable & are going to give me a full refund.
Samsung are out of stock & I can't find another K Zoom anywhere for the same price I paid so I'm thinking of trying to hang on & wait for the next generation of this phone - will be hard!
I thought I'd seen some comment somewhere on the web recently which alluded to the new version but now can't find anything searching on Google, has anybody on here heard any rumours, any thoughts of how long it will be etc??
Cheers.
there will not be any successor, this is the last of its kind
K Zoom flopped from Samsung's point of view. they stopped producing and shops sold it for 222€ multiple times until everything was gone. now ebay prices for new devices keep skyrocketing.
we are a too small niche group to beeing worth chasing for them. 99% of people just want faster-bigger-thinner phones and give a f* about the camera, as they only use it for selfies or the ocassional food instagram. on hollidays they carry their dslr's
Yeah, managed to find one for a good price in Argos as I couldn't wait any longer!
Interesting that sales were poor as there is a Zen Phone model with limited optical zoom this year!
Tr4sHCr4fT said:
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umm, how do you know that ?
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...of-a-probable-Galaxy-K-Zoom-successor_id65857
k zoom is v3 of a line that started with galaxy camera and then s4 zoom.
K Zoom flopped from Samsung's point of view. they stopped producing and shops sold it for 222€ multiple times until everything was gone. now ebay prices for new devices keep skyrocketing.
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May not have one right now but who's to say it won't happen later. i think samsung with the k zoom created the most fun camera to use on android.
if there is a delay it means the tech isn't there right now to make a compelling upgrade. in the way the k was over the s4 say.
This in no way means there won't be one later. I don't know if its feasible to make a fixed aperture with zoom. Stays at 2.8 over the range of 10x optical. That would be a significant upgrade but the physics might make it impossible to retain the same form factor.
This thing goes for a third of the asking price of lumix cm1 which hardly any reviewers got to play with. the cm1 is competing with the rx100 that costs a fraction.
we are a too small niche group to beeing worth chasing for them. 99% of people just want faster-bigger-thinner phones and give a f* about the camera, as they only use it for selfies or the ocassional food instagram. on hollidays they carry their dslr's
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i don't know about that, what makes flagships sell when phones half that price can achieve most things if not as well. when i see people ***** about their photos and camera quality it makes me think otherwise.
having said that the k was not an obvious choice for me to go with at all, had it not been for a friend on this board that somehow made it click. as you say people are very drawn to design, looks etc which when accompanied with a marketing blitz can really obscure function which isn't that obvious.
I was at the IFA yesterday. I realised, that the Camera of the new Note is very nice and that the colours are much nicer, than on my S7, although it might have the same camera. I installed Aida 64 on many randomly chosen different devices and checked the built in Devices.
As you can see on the photos, all of them had the Sony sensor. I asked a few people from Samsung, why it is like this, and guess, what they told me.
There are only Sony Cameras there, and this is the state, as they are delivered. When your device gets a broken Camera, then you get a Sony Sensor built in, because it is cheaper for Samsung. For the show they take only Sony Sensors, because they know, that the pictures look much more better, than the ones of the Samsung Sensor. Unbeliveable to hear that from a Samsung person. Maybe he did not know, what he was talking about, you might say, but he seemed very well informed. If this is true, it is at least a very poor strategy. Telling the people different stuff and doing another.
There is also some comparison between, the S7 Edge, which I brought there with Samsung Sensor and the Note 7 with Sony Sensor.
I also asked A woman working there for Samsung, if the Samsugn sensor is better, which she said, was true. Then I showed her the two devices and she said, of course the Samsung sensor in the Note 7 would be much better. Unfotunately it was the sony sensor and the Samsung Sensor was the S7 Edge.
Sooooo Sony wins this one for me. I do not believe in Samsungs statements, that these are two equal sensors, if even they know, that the sony Sensor Pictures look better.
You can check the devices on the Ifa yourself.
Are you really comparing the display quality between the camera interfaces of the devices? If so, that is a very poor way of doing so. The only thing that matters is actual photo quality once it's been taken - and in all accounts even on various forums, the differences aren't much at all. Capturing in Auto mode just makes the comparison worse, because one could have focused on the subject, while the other could have focused on the background. As such, the cameras could have used different exposure settings.
Some people would be dangerous if they had a brain OMG
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ChimpNippl3s said:
Some people would be dangerous if they had a brain OMG
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Oh well, at least it's different. I was getting bored by the repetition of the GG5, light-leaks-from-the-side, and recall rants.
On S7 and S7 Edge both Samsung and Sony modules got used! I had a few devices and have seen both!
On Note7, ONLY Sony cam modules are used, you can check because there are no Samsung drivers present! That's also the reason why S7 users with Samsung cam and Note7 Port can't use all cam functions...
To the most important thing, the performance: there is not much difference, both sensors are almost equal (big discussions in S7e forums about that).
In my opinion Sony is a bit better in details, Samsung has better white balance in low light. Sony has quicker auto-focus in low light...
As I said, I own both, and the difference is very little!
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When buying phones I always check for its model and if it has lots of ROMs/Kernels because that's the first thing I install once I got it.
Asked because, it's hard to find an H850 here. F700 and H860 is most common one but looking on the ROMs section H850 is almost always present on the titles.
Is H860 or F700 fine?
I don't think those have any roms at all - the other 2 besides H850 with some development are H830 and RS988 (or something like that?).
Nimueh said:
I don't think those have any roms at all - the other 2 besides H850 with some development are H830 and RS988 (or something like that?).
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The only reason I want custom ROM/Kernel is undervolting and sometimes a little overclock if I feel like it is slow + getting rid of bloat apps. I find myself not really tinkering with phones anymore. The only root app I think I have next to my phone's kernel configuration app is Greenify.
How's the G5 experience? Does it last long compared to S7? or somehow equal?
I came from the S4, so no idea how it compares to the S7.
It's a great phone with nice specs, and hopefully development will get better once Oreo is out
well then I had an S4 too. How does it compare to that? I mean I came from s3 all the way to s5. Planning to buy S7 but thought to try something else. The only thing that attracts me to G5 is the camera if everything else is roughly equal to S7 or S4 or S5 I'll buy one.
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well then I had an S4 too. How does it compare to that? I mean I came from s3 all the way to s5. Planning to buy S7 but thought to try something else. The only thing that attracts me to G5 is the camera if everything else is roughly equal to S7 or S4 or S5 I'll buy one.
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There is no comparison to the S4 ... it's like comparing a spaceship to a chopper :laugh:
It's much faster with everything and it doesn't have that Knox sh*t Samsung has
Development has been sloooooow lately, but I still have hope that it'll change with Oreo :fingers-crossed:
Nimueh said:
There is no comparison to the S4 ... it's like comparing a spaceship to a chopper [emoji23]
It's much faster with everything and it doesn't have that Knox sh*t Samsung has
Development has been sloooooow lately, but I still have hope that it'll change with Oreo :fingers-crossed:
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Faster, less bloated user experience than the s7.
Other than the wide angle lense coolness, i prefer the s7 camera, especially in low light.
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dermotti said:
Faster, less bloated user experience than the s7.
Other than the wide angle lense coolness, i prefer the s7 camera, especially in low light.
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Trying not to get biased here but seems like s7 is winning for everything else other than the camera (day time). Thank you for the feedback about your experience on both.
I came from S4 to.
Most durable phone I ever had.
If the sim reader still worked I wouldn't change and would probably have lineage 15 on it.
Any how
My 2 cents
S7 over g5
Amoled
Cooler design
Loads of roms, probably another 5 years of XDA community support
G5 over S7
Removable battery
No glass back
One of the best IPS LCD darks I've seen.
camera. Seriously, I bought my g5 because I found a crazy refurb deal on eBay and now I'm not willing to ever go back to a non wide angle lens phone.
lorismarcos said:
I came from S4 to.
Most durable phone I ever had.
If the sim reader still worked I wouldn't change and would probably have lineage 15 on it.
Any how
My 2 cents
S7 over g5
Amoled
Cooler design
Loads of roms, probably another 5 years of XDA community support
G5 over S7
Removable battery
No glass back
One of the best IPS LCD darks I've seen.
camera. Seriously, I bought my g5 because I found a crazy refurb deal on eBay and now I'm not willing to ever go back to a non wide angle lens phone.
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End up buying S7 today because of the said S7 reasons.
I agree on you on those points you listed but you forgot one more on S7 which is longer battery life.
I bought the S7 Edge which has even more battery compared to S7.
I think I can live with S7's camera. It's decent... it's just that G5 has a better one, but I don't think the camera alone is worth it compared to the other Pros of S7.
Hello,
I am still considering whether to get the S9 or the S9+ .
I know the differences between them based on the spec.
I am okay with the S9 screen size , and do know regarding the difference in the battery capacity.
Is there any other difference that make S9+ the better phone?
Will I miss a lot of things by not having the dual lenses camera?
4GB vs 6GB make any noticeable difference?
Hope to get some feedback to help me make the pre order
Thank you
S9+ obviously lol.
silentser said:
Hello,
I am still considering whether to get the S9 or the S9+ .
I know the differences between them based on the spec.
I am okay with the S9 screen size , and do know regarding the difference in the battery capacity.
Is there any other difference that make S9+ the better phone?
Will I miss a lot of things by not having the dual lenses camera?
4GB vs 6GB make any noticeable difference?
Hope to get some feedback to help me make the pre order
Thank you
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Well....
Dual Camera with Dual OIS / Wide-angle: Super Speed Dual Pixel 12MP AF sensor (F1.5/F2.4), Telephoto: 12MP AF sensor (F2.4)
Better Picts
Memory: 6GB RAM
Faster Phone running multiple apps (should never Lag like 4gb)
Battery: 3,500mAh (500 more mah)
Longer Battery Life
Obvious higher resale when the next hot device comes out..
My Choice for sure I'm already cutting Loose N8.
My big question is if the Unlocked US version is Built to Utilize 600mhz and 4x4 mimo qam..That's what I need to know because I would definitely prefer an Unbranded device because the have higher resale value and of course the crapware Tmo adds to the device. I wish they would allow you/give you the option to turn off the Super annoying Tmo start screen and (Freaking Jingle) telling the World im on T-mobile...aggravating from my perspective.
Hey If I helped...Please Hit the Thanks Button "
I see friends with the S8 and think it looks so small compared to my S8+. Definitely getting the +. But, if you have small hands like my petite female friend, the normal size means a bit more sense.
Anyway how much of a photo enthusiast are you with your phone? I can't wait to have some telefoto action myself.
S9+ of course
The S9+ will definitely keep more background apps open. Twice the internal storage. Better battery life.
wiseguyy said:
Well....
Dual Camera with Dual OIS / Wide-angle: Super Speed Dual Pixel 12MP AF sensor (F1.5/F2.4), Telephoto: 12MP AF sensor (F2.4)
Better Picts
Memory: 6GB RAM
Faster Phone running multiple apps (should never Lag like 4gb)
Battery: 3,500mAh (500 more mah)
Longer Battery Life
Obvious higher resale when the next hot device comes out..
My Choice for sure I'm already cutting Loose N8.
My big question is if the Unlocked US version is Built to Utilize 600mhz and 4x4 mimo qam..That's what I need to know because I would definitely prefer an Unbranded device because the have higher resale value and of course the crapware Tmo adds to the device. I wish they would allow you/give you the option to turn off the Super annoying Tmo start screen and (Freaking Jingle) telling the World im on T-mobile...aggravating from my perspective.
Hey If I helped...Please Hit the Thanks Button "
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The S9+ will definitely keep more background apps open. Twice the internal storage. Better battery life.
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I have the same question, but even when the battery is bigger in the Plus variant, the screen also is, so I don't know if actually it makes a difference in terms of battery life. I like devices with big batteries, and I always avoid batteries below ~3500mAh.
I'm running an HTC U11+ right now and I'm really comfortable with the screen and the size, and before that I had a Pixel 2 XL, and this will be my first Samsung ever because they finally fixed some things that bothered me from past generation.
I don't care much about dual camera, I'm sure I will have enough with one because I'm kind of amateur, but still size is kind of a bummer; taking in mind are the same size as S8/S8+ and I have seen them in store many times, the normal version for me feels small, but the Plus version is a little bit too large for my taste. So I'm kind of confused.
silentser said:
Hello,
I am still considering whether to get the S9 or the S9+ .
I know the differences between them based on the spec.
I am okay with the S9 screen size , and do know regarding the difference in the battery capacity.
Is there any other difference that make S9+ the better phone?
Will I miss a lot of things by not having the dual lenses camera?
4GB vs 6GB make any noticeable difference?
Hope to get some feedback to help me make the pre order
Thank you
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Keep in mind that the 9 is almost the same size as the 8. You can always try it in store.
But as everyone else already said, the 9+ has more features, so more resale value.
I had an 8+ and IMO the price difference is well worth it even more now that you get more than just a larger screen.
Personally, I'm going with the + again.
s9+ sure
:good:
S9+ is the right choice.
I don't know. Specs aside, and understanding xda is a geeky site compared to mainstream, I might go with the S9 for pocket ability. I don't see the specs being much different really. I have an S8 and if I play with the S8+ at first I think too big then as I get used to it and pick up the S8 I think too small until I get used to it and repeat. You can easily get used to either. Before the S8 my phones tended to be the plus sizes and I now find the S8 to be a good size to both pocket and to type on. Really though I don't think you can go wrong either way.
s9+ on pre-order from samsung direct-will be delivered 1 week today. bit annoyed that they have not included any freebies
Definitely S9+. The camera is better S9+ compared to S9.
having the S8, i can't justify buying the S9, however since i always buy the new S, i went for the S9+ with more RAM, better camera and bigger battery tahts how i can justify the "upgrade"
Pre-ordered from Sammy the unlocked S9+ for a total of 587.24. Hopefully they will send us a freebie (those of us who preordered).
from S8 to S9+.......!!!!!
I tried the both device and for me, the choice is clear: s9!
I precise that for me the photo is the aspect that's the most important... but the s9+ is really really tooooooooooooo big... I found it ridiculous and hard to held.
I'm not a fan of the note versions though.
For the 4gb - 6 gb = nope, it's not visible! NO app use this amount of ram and even if you have plenty app opened it's really hard to tell the difference on a phone. When u let app open, usually u let 9 apps max and for that u never need more than 2,5 gb of ram perhaps 3...
For the battery, it's proved the difference is not that much (30 min 1 hour?)
For the tele, yeah, it's gimmick. You have a 2x zoom option (with less luminosity)... and that's all, nothing else. For that difference, I make one step before me with the normal module and I have the same result (really I tested earlier and the 2x zoom = 1 step)
skivnit said:
having the S8, i can't justify buying the S9, however since i always buy the new S, i went for the S9+ with more RAM, better camera and bigger battery tahts how i can justify the "upgrade"
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its like you read my mind!!!! Exactly the same thought, the s9 was useless and not worth it.
I'm on T-Mobile's Jump on Demand. S9+ requires a $120 down payment. S9 doesn't. Seeing as I swap phones ever month or two it didn't make sense for me to throw $120 away. If they would have rolled the down payment into the monthly price I would have done s9+. That's what they did with the Note 8, V30, and iphone X. A little upset they didn't do that with the S9 series. So I went with the smaller s9 just do to that one reason.
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s9+ on pre-order from samsung direct-will be delivered 1 week today. bit annoyed that they have not included any freebies
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Samsung Australia, and all the carriers and distributors, are giving is the wireless charger for a freebie!
Hi everyone,
Question for you on this, which one would you suggest, by experience? I do understand both devices have minor differences, like the "correct" camera position at S7, 120Hz, but as well the poorly LCD screen on Tab S7.
As someone who owns a S4 Tab (which is very unpopular on XDA community overall), what would you suggest personally? I want to upgrade mostly due low RAM, bad placement for S-Pen, keyboard constant disconnect, but mostly due 0% of someone starting a LineageOS development (LineageOS GSI has several issues, and I'm not expert enough on Android development to start my own).
Seems like S5E and S6L has already lot of development around LineageOS, and is likely S6 and S7 tab could receive something as well.
As far I read most of QA comments, seems like most people owns a S7+ due better screen mostly, but personally is out my budget and too big from my perspective.
Many thanks!
If you want to know which tablet is the right for you:
You've give yourself the answer in the last sentence
The s7 has one of the best displays available, although it is not an OLED. I would not care about the OLED /LCD displayfight.
It's like the ultra highres and 120Hz discussion: most people love the crispness and fluety, not realizing both is deactivated due to performance or battery savings. Go in a shop and try it, you can deactivate it and see yourself. There even are people praising it in forums, not knowing the program they are using not even support it.
When it comes to professionalism you have to avoid OLED due to the lack of color calibration and color acurracy. That's the reason its a pure consumer thing. And for the latter, marketing always try to make things essentiall you actually do not need.
But as soon it comes to proffesionalis (this) android tablet is not for you at all. From an artist perspective major apps are missing (although getting better) and the s-pen technique is a big draw back, beside the form factor. Same for office work: Dex still is a pain, the office packages are working not like on a Desktop and yes: you'll hate the keyboard at the end of a working day (so use a standard BT one instead). Or even better: spend much more money and buy a surface PC.
From a consumer perspective OLED are great, love it on my mobile especially in pitch dark. But honestly: 99% of the time you're not realizing it and the battery saving bla bla is not worth the discussion. If I would have welcomed it on the s7: sure. But I would not have spend 100 € more for it.
Consider your use case. For a simple multimedia device: wait for the s7 light. If you need a device primary for note taking and some more sofisticated multimedia stuff, the s7/s7+ is for you. The RAM and CPU are great for painting (as long it's on concept /sketching level) and a good alround device on the go.
The s6 was out of focus for me due to: the pen form factor, the camara position, and especially not having an update option in 3 years. If you can deal with all: go for it.
To make it short: consider what you want. If the s7: wait for a good deal. In case you need 8GB of Ram and a bigger screen spend the extra money for the s7+.
Oh well broke my Pixel C Tablet today changing the battery . I been living with the Pixel C Tab and my Nexus 6 phone running LineageOS for years just looking for some feedback on what might be a fun and logical upgrade that should have good LineageOS Rom support going forward ?
Have s4 s6 and now s7+ only the people who compromised for the lcd s7 over the oled s7+ will tell you oled doesn't matter, just like tvs. Either get s6 or s7+ the oled is amazing.
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Have s4 s6 and now s7+ only the people who compromised for the lcd s7 over the oled s7+ will tell you oled doesn't matter, just like tvs. Either get s6 or s7+ the oled is amazing.
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Problem is no rom or LineageOS support for the Tab S7+ your on your own once the updates stop
Markeee said:
Problem is no rom or LineageOS support for the Tab S7+ your on your own once the updates stop
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By that time the s8 will be out and I'm sure there will be roms soon, but honestly very little need, these days I find very little need to root and only look for roms if I really need an OS update which hasn't happened since my old tab s 8.4 which is still going strong on lineage.
Don't get me wrong rooting and ROMing are great to have, but I find current Android customizable enough for most things and don't pick my devices based on that. I'd rather root my phone than my tab and I wouldn't sacrifice oled for root or roms
gottahavit said:
By that time the s8 will be out and I'm sure there will be roms soon, but honestly very little need, these days I find very little need to root and only look for roms if I really need an OS update which hasn't happened since my old tab s 8.4 which is still going strong on lineage.
Don't get me wrong rooting and ROMing are great to have, but I find current Android customizable enough for most things and don't pick my devices based on that. I'd rather root my phone than my tab and I wouldn't sacrifice oled for root or roms
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Well said I would love to get the S7+ its the best out there now my first choose but at the end of the day its also important for me to have some good rom support and the fact that the the S7+ has absolutely none right now leaves me worried we may never see any materialize ?
So thinking maybe last years Tab S5e is the best possible compromise considering it has official LineageOS support and blessings its just missing the 120Hz display not quite as big and not as nice of a upgrade power wise.
Sucks I'm torn and can't decide ?
TAB S7 PLUS VS TAB S5e | PROS AND CONS
https://youtu.be/5qff9-2Yiw8
gottahavit said:
Have s4 s6 and now s7+ only the people who compromised for the lcd s7 over the oled s7+ will tell you oled doesn't matter, just like tvs. Either get s6 or s7+ the oled is amazing.
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Well, sorry no. Your marketing talk even is obsolete as Micro- and Q-LED is the new hype
To make it short.
For simple consumers: go to a shop and see yourself. If you like perfect blacks, oversatturation and high contrasts: go for OLEDs. You definitely will see the difference next to a s7.
If you would be in (photo-)graphics or arts on a professional level: you would not even ask that question. You would know that's OLEDS will never be an options (color accuracy, calibration, etc.).
Just keep in mind: OLEDs show the strongest burn-in. But: as long you do not work all day long with a single programm (office, photoshop, eclipse, etc.) or use it as a display device with areas showing almost static output (e.g. home automation at a wall, infotainment in cars), this will not be a problem. Typing this on a 3.5 year old galaxy s8, with still no real notable burn in. Only the color shifted over the years. But thats s.th. you can adjust for.
And: I would have taken the s7+, but the OLED is a no go for me.
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Markeee said:
Well said I would love to get the S7+ its the best out there now my first choose but at the end of the day its also important for me to have some good rom support and the fact that the the S7+ has absolutely none right now leaves me worried we may never see any materialize ?
So thinking maybe last years Tab S5e is the best possible compromise considering it has official LineageOS support and blessings its just missing the 120Hz display not quite as big and not as nice of a upgrade power wise.
Sucks I'm torn and can't decide ?
TAB S7 PLUS VS TAB S5e | PROS AND CONS
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What's the reason you want to have good rom support?
Just wondering. Same for 120Hz: you know that apps have to support it specifically? Most don't, for obvious reasons...
One UI is a great enhancer when it comes to tablet support on Android. My pretty old Note 10.1 sucks without. You'll notice it, when missing.
The best option for me is a rooted s7 stock rom. Just kept it unrooted for guaranty reasons, in half a year... .
Best tablet UI but open for adjustment. Of course, you should not put your bank account on it. But frankly, all other features missing with root I would preferably have on my phone than this device.
basthet said:
Well, sorry no. Your marketing talk even is obsolete as Micro- and Q-LED is the new hype
To make it short.
For simple consumers: go to a shop and see yourself. If you like perfect blacks, oversatturation and high contrasts: go for OLEDs. You definitely will see the difference next to a s7.
If you would be in (photo-)graphics or arts on a professional level: you would not even ask that question. You would know that's OLEDS will never be an options (color accuracy, calibration, etc.).
Just keep in mind: OLEDs show the strongest burn-in. But: as long you do not work all day long with a single programm (office, photoshop, eclipse, etc.) or use it as a display device with areas showing almost static output (e.g. home automation at a wall, infotainment in cars), this will not be a problem. Typing this on a 3.5 year old galaxy s8, with still no real notable burn in. Only the color shifted over the years. But thats s.th. you can adjust for.
And: I would have taken the s7+, but the OLED is a no go for me.
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What's the reason you want to have good rom support?
Just wondering. Same for 120Hz: you know that apps have to support it specifically? Most don't, for obvious reasons...
One UI is a great enhancer when it comes to tablet support on Android. My pretty old Note 10.1 sucks without. You'll notice it, when missing.
The best option for me is a rooted s7 stock rom. Just kept it unrooted for guaranty reasons, in half a year... .
Best tablet UI but open for adjustment. Of course, you should not put your bank account on it. But frankly, all other features missing with root I would preferably have on my phone than this device.
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Wow I hope you were joking about QLED/nanopixels being the best thing right now! You know that's just fake logos that say "we can't make OLEDs but we want you to think we do"?
As for color accuracy, I actually do a lot of drone footage and photo, but admittedly I'm no PRO and I don't edit on my tablet(I edit on my 28" 4k IPS HDR), but I did read the reviews and comparisons which put the S7+ above the S7 and the Ipad Pro when in Natural color mode. You can also calibrate yourself. I prefer the amoled for reviewing my video since most video is produced to HDR for display on an OLED TV. I find if it looks good on my tablet it will look close to the same on my LG OLED.
I guess it all depends what you want to do with the Tablet and what you are producing and for what target. I was not trying to say there is no place for the LCD(although I don't have one), just that some people on the forum are telling others not to worry the LCD is just as good as good as beautiful as AMOLED and that's just not true.
Also I have every Tab S Amoled made except the s5 and not one of them has Burnin or any significant loss of vibrancy. Personally if I couldn't deal with the 12" I would have stuck with my s6 over the s7 LCD.
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Wow I hope you were joking about QLED/nanopixels being the best thing right now! You know that's just fake logos that say "we can't make OLEDs but we want you to think we do"?
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Well... that's because Samsung does not sell QLED but half backed solutions only calling them QLED - there are even ads with references clarifying, what SAMSUNG means by "QLED".
I was referring to real quantum dot emitters, not having these color-offsets and color depended life time problems the (AM)OLED still has. Still hoping for next year...
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As for color accuracy, I actually do a lot of drone footage and photo, but admittedly I'm no PRO and I don't edit on my tablet(I edit on my 28" 4k IPS HDR), but I did read the reviews and comparisons which put the S7+ above the S7 and the Ipad Pro when in Natural color mode. You can also calibrate yourself. I prefer the amoled for reviewing my video since most video is produced to HDR for display on an OLED TV. I find if it looks good on my tablet it will look close to the same on my LG OLED....
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Well - there you got it. Everybody here replays this marketing bla bla from sellers and samsung or reviewers (most likely from YouTube) putting the AMOLED superior to the LCD.
Please do not feel offended, I do not try to argue with you. All I want to say is that the quality of a display is not defined by simple "blackness" and slangs like "vibrancy". Even the slang "Natural color" is a hoax - OLED just cannot produce them. Samsung (like LG, Sony, etc.) tries to manipulate it towards, and might get quite close, but after a while, colors shift away. A nightmare for people have to relay on color accuracy.
Same for their algorithm to reduce the burn-in effect. I also have an OLED (older than 3 years). No notable burn-in - but the price you pay is pixel shift and out-greying. If you are sensitive to one: OLED is not for you. If you don't care or not even notice it: great!
To make it short: It's hard to say in general, if the LCD of the s7 is worse compared to the s4/s6 and even the s7+ OLEDs. Best is to grep one and see if it fits you needs. For a LCD the s7 is really good and same goes for the s7+ as an AMOLED. Both (techniques) have their strengths but also weaknesses. I was rather happy, when I found the s7, as I do not have to spend my soul for an iPad Pro + I do not have to care about unexpected color reworks as soon as I switch back to my PC.
However, still hating Samsung for their crappy S-Pen technique... But well - you get what you pay for
Thanks for the replies I appreciate the discussion and feedback .
I'm coming from an old Pixel C Tablet I just broke the thing trying to replace the battery. That unit lost android update support years ago but managed to stay alive through roms and LineageOS which was nice I looked forward to kind of lived for those updates like most nerds otherwise I probably would of replaced it long ago. I'm still running with my Nexus 6 on LineageOS updates.
So I wasn't really even thinking about replacing it but now that it gone may as well have some fun get something new and considering I usually keep my **** so long like 5 yrs I may as well try get the latest and the greatest.
At first didn't know what to get but didn't take long to realize there's really no new android tablet options out except Samsung which kind of sucks coz rooting flashing Samsung bit more complicated not as straight up easy for me as dealing with the pixel which is super easy. With Samsung knox I have to re-learn that mess not looking forward to that and seems alot of people having issues dealing with it
Anyways I only really use the tablet for watching videos it will never leave my house leaning towards the S7+ just trying to snag a deal is all
basthet said:
Well, sorry no. Your marketing talk even is obsolete as Micro- and Q-LED is the new hype
To make it short.
For simple consumers: go to a shop and see yourself. If you like perfect blacks, oversatturation and high contrasts: go for OLEDs. You definitely will see the difference next to a s7.
If you would be in (photo-)graphics or arts on a professional level: you would not even ask that question. You would know that's OLEDS will never be an options (color accuracy, calibration, etc.).
Just keep in mind: OLEDs show the strongest burn-in. But: as long you do not work all day long with a single programm (office, photoshop, eclipse, etc.) or use it as a display device with areas showing almost static output (e.g. home automation at a wall, infotainment in cars), this will not be a problem. Typing this on a 3.5 year old galaxy s8, with still no real notable burn in. Only the color shifted over the years. But thats s.th. you can adjust for.
And: I would have taken the s7+, but the OLED is a no go for me.
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What's the reason you want to have good rom support?
Just wondering. Same for 120Hz: you know that apps have to support it specifically? Most don't, for obvious reasons...
One UI is a great enhancer when it comes to tablet support on Android. My pretty old Note 10.1 sucks without. You'll notice it, when missing.
The best option for me is a rooted s7 stock rom. Just kept it unrooted for guaranty reasons, in half a year... .
Best tablet UI but open for adjustment. Of course, you should not put your bank account on it. But frankly, all other features missing with root I would preferably have on my phone than this device.
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@Markeee
Keep in mind that - unfortunately - the situation for android tablets is a bit different nowadays.
Almost all new tablet specific features come from Samsung (Dex, etc.). Google and the other brands dropped tablet support almost completely. That implies also lineageOS - relaying on google - will most likely not offer new tablet specific features in the future. Hence, putting a custom rom on it will result in a draw back compared to One UI.
The good: with a s7/s7+ you will get all the new tablet specific stuff for 3 years and be up to the notch. As Samsung still tries to catch up to Apple that's the best you can get.
The bad: after 3 years you most likely will been stucked - or forced to make the step back to linageOS if you want Android 14+. Samsung managed to make porting their One UI features quite difficult.
However, time will tell. If google rediscover their tablet love, being again the driving android force for tablets, this situation will be totally different in 3 years.
When it comes to custom roms and video watching only: all I'm talking about will not be such of an issue, as all the mentioned features are more in the direction of writing, drawing, UI-integration, etc.
However, keep in mind that Netflix and other streaming portals suppress usage with rooted devices. Here the Knox counter is a big problem you might come over (e.g. via Magisk), but that needed to be supported by s.o. . Time will tell if the community will do, or not.
Moreover, reconsider the s7/s7+ completely. Both are rather expensive and target people using the Pen heavily (e.g. drawing, painting). Here you still need the fastest processor, as mush Ram as possible and a digitizer - and you have to pay for it. Have you considered going with a tablet w/o S-Pen?
If the question is only the ease to put custom rom on: well I'm rather sure here you will find the first noteworthy solution. And: simplifications of that will come later. But for Custom rom support I am not so optimistic: most owner would probably think like me, that most (unofficial) linageOS ports will lack the tablet features One Ui offers. Hence consider rooting and flashing not worth the hazel...
For better or worse I just pulled the trigger and ordered the Tab S7+, 256GB, sometimes just want to say WTF least I was able to snag a deal $582.61 before tax's free shipping. I'm sure I won't use take advantage of the pen but still nice to have all these premium features for a change.
Spending extra will be negligible considering how long i plan on keeping this thing. Hopefully years down the road when support ends there will me some other options to keep this thing alive .
Here's the slickdeals link below still an active deal if anyone's interested
https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=143059996&postcount=732
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@Markeee
Keep in mind that - unfortunately - the situation for android tablets is a bit different nowadays.
Almost all new tablet specific features come from Samsung (Dex, etc.). Google and the other brands dropped tablet support almost completely. That implies also lineageOS - relaying on google - will most likely not offer new tablet specific features in the future. Hence, putting a custom rom on it will result in a draw back compared to One UI.
The good: with a s7/s7+ you will get all the new tablet specific stuff for 3 years and be up to the notch. As Samsung still tries to catch up to Apple that's the best you can get.
The bad: after 3 years you most likely will been stucked - or forced to make the step back to linageOS if you want Android 14+. Samsung managed to make porting their One UI features quite difficult.
However, time will tell. If google rediscover their tablet love, being again the driving android force for tablets, this situation will be totally different in 3 years.
When it comes to custom roms and video watching only: all I'm talking about will not be such of an issue, as all the mentioned features are more in the direction of writing, drawing, UI-integration, etc.
However, keep in mind that Netflix and other streaming portals suppress usage with rooted devices. Here the Knox counter is a big problem you might come over (e.g. via Magisk), but that needed to be supported by s.o. . Time will tell if the community will do, or not.
Moreover, reconsider the s7/s7+ completely. Both are rather expensive and target people using the Pen heavily (e.g. drawing, painting). Here you still need the fastest processor, as mush Ram as possible and a digitizer - and you have to pay for it. Have you considered going with a tablet w/o S-Pen?
If the question is only the ease to put custom rom on: well I'm rather sure here you will find the first noteworthy solution. And: simplifications of that will come later. But for Custom rom support I am not so optimistic: most owner would probably think like me, that most (unofficial) linageOS ports will lack the tablet features One Ui offers. Hence consider rooting and flashing not worth the hazel...
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Hello Markeee
I am in a similar situation like you.
Fortunately my pixel C is still working.
Nevertheless I am starting looking for a replacement.
How do you like the Samsung so far?
Did you root it?
I am really sceptical bec of all that Samsung bloatware and this other Samsung stuff, as well as the lack of custom ROMs. The hardware is for sure much better...
My use cases are mostly watching videos, web surfing, emailing. I love the external keyboard for my pixel c, i wonder if there is something similar in the Samsung world...
Greetings from Vienna!
Markeee said:
For better or worse I just pulled the trigger and ordered the Tab S7+, 256GB, sometimes just want to say WTF least I was able to snag a deal $582.61 before tax's free shipping. I'm sure I won't use take advantage of the pen but still nice to have all these premium features for a change.
Spending extra will be negligible considering how long i plan on keeping this thing. Hopefully years down the road when support ends there will me some other options to keep this thing alive .
Here's the slickdeals link below still an active deal if anyone's interested
https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=143059996&postcount=732
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From personal experience I find the screen on the Tab S7 to be brighter, more vibrant and with truer colors than on the Tab S6. I compared my S6 side by side with my wife's S7 while watching a video and the S7
's screen was much more pleasing to watch. The S6's screen was simply too dark so I lost detail in the shadows and the colors seemed muted even with the display set to Vibrant.
This sort of surprised me based on the comparison reviews I've seen that said the S6 had the better display.