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So the original battery in my phone.. well... sucked. When I pulled the phone off the charger it would jump down to 93% no matter how long it was on the charger etc. Any attempt to bump charge was thwarted in the fact that I cant charge the phone when its off (it automatically turns on and boots into CWM). Wiping the battery stats when the battery read 100% in the OS would still result in the above.
So I ordered that 1600mah battery from Seidio. Ran the charge out of it yesterday and charged it to full during the evening/night. Wake up this morning, pull the charger out of the phone, and BOOM 100% power. Not 93%...
So was it my old battery that was bad or was there something wrong with how the phone saw its power rating?
From what I've seen with the phone, it drops down to 90% or so before it starts charging again, but it won't ever have the display show a battery decrease while plugged in.
Russ36363 said:
From what I've seen with the phone, it drops down to 90% or so before it starts charging again, but it won't ever have the display show a battery decrease while plugged in.
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Right but I can watch the meter go all the way to 100%... pull the plug and it goes down to 93% within seconds.
funny thing phone did the same thing...took it off the charger this morn and it dropped down to 95
I'm at 99% after about 2.5hrs of mostly idle usage. I've been just rebooting the phone with it on the charger in the morning, give it about 15-20 minutes and usually it'll stick at 100
"I'm at 99% after about 2.5hrs of mostly idle usage. I've been just rebooting the phone with it on the charger in the morning, give it about 15-20 minutes and usually it'll stick at 100"
same here
probotic said:
"I'm at 99% after about 2.5hrs of mostly idle usage. I've been just rebooting the phone with it on the charger in the morning, give it about 15-20 minutes and usually it'll stick at 100"
same here
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All you are doing is semi-bumb charging it, which is fine if you really must have that extra 1hour of battery, but be warned, doing it constantly will damage your battery over time. that is the reason the phone has built in charging/decharge in the first place.
The reality is if your phone is sitting idle, that 5% wont matter at all once your phone attunes to your battery, and if your using the phone so heavily that your going dead long before the day is done (after attunement) then the 5% still wont matter !
i was having the same issues - 90% right after unplugging. had to charge the phone 3 times in ONE day and i never even touched the phone the whole day except to check the battery percentage.
brought it into verizon, they gave me a new battery and now it lasts me the entire day. when i pull the plug out now, it drops steadily like a normal battery should. i tried bump charging before i brought it in and it didn't help at all
The same thing has been happening to my dads Thunderbolt.
He charged it overnight, took it to work and was losing about 1% per minute without touching the phone. The only time it was touched was about 1 timer per hour to take down the battery percentage for his log.
He took it to the verizon store and they told him he should not expect anything longer than 4 hours of battery life without touching the phone..what kind of BS is that?
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So the original battery in my phone.. well... sucked. When I pulled the phone off the charger it would jump down to 93% no matter how long it was on the charger etc. Any attempt to bump charge was thwarted in the fact that I cant charge the phone when its off (it automatically turns on and boots into CWM). Wiping the battery stats when the battery read 100% in the OS would still result in the above.
So I ordered that 1600mah battery from Seidio. Ran the charge out of it yesterday and charged it to full during the evening/night. Wake up this morning, pull the charger out of the phone, and BOOM 100% power. Not 93%...
So was it my old battery that was bad or was there something wrong with how the phone saw its power rating?
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I'm having the exact opposite problem with the batteries--just ordered two of the 1600 Seidios that delivered yesterday and even after running pretty much down, fully charging overnite with the T-bolt powered down, drops to 95% immediately. Conversely, the OEM battery would stay at 100% for hours if the phone was idle (screen off / receiving any emails and SMS). Go figger.
There is a post in the Android Central forums on the 1600 battery compared to stock. After testing, they found that the two perform almost identically. Basically, it isn't worth replacing unless you go with the big HTC extended battery. Although having a spare isn't a bad idea. If only that battery door wasn't so tough to pry off when you need to change it...
nexus s had the same problem its nothing big though
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All you are doing is semi-bumb charging it, which is fine if you really must have that extra 1hour of battery, but be warned, doing it constantly will damage your battery over time. that is the reason the phone has built in charging/decharge in the first place.
The reality is if your phone is sitting idle, that 5% wont matter at all once your phone attunes to your battery, and if your using the phone so heavily that your going dead long before the day is done (after attunement) then the 5% still wont matter !
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Most of us probably won't have the phones long enough to see any possible damage. Starting off at a full 100% is a lot better than immediately dropping to 95 or so after pulling it off charger. It's kind of like the gas gauge in my truck. Stays full a while but once it moves off of full you can watch it drop. lol
I've had my new HTC Amaze 4G for 4 days now and absolutely love it, what a great phone! The battery life is great (I'm careful with all my settings) and I'm only finding issues with the charging TIME.
It's the second time I've charged it and after noticing how excessively long it took the first time, I clocked it this time and it took 4 hours and 45 minutes. I used a charger that I've used on many other devices with no issues (5 volts 1 amp).
The battery level increases 1% every 3 minutes, which adds up to 5 hours. I calculated this both with the screen on and by averaging out over a longer period of time with the screen off. I also tried with the phone completely off and the results were the same.
I made sure there were no processes hogging up processor time or excessive RAM usage.
When I go into to "Settings -> About Phone -> Battery" Battery status clearly states: Charging (AC).
I have also read somewhere that this can possibly be set this way by design (possibly to prevent the battery from heating or overcharging and saving its life in the long run).
I also realize that the phone is new, and the battery needs a few charges to be settled, but 5 hours to charge on the second charge just seems like too much.
On the HTC product support website, on the faq there is the following question/answer:
How long should it take to charge my battery?
"Your battery can take up to 4 hours to fully charge using the AC charger. It will take much longer using the USB as that is the trickle charge function."
Can anyone out there with an HTC Amaze 4G confirm how long their phone takes to fully charge from the AC charger?
I'm thinking/hoping this is a defective device/battery/setting...I don't like having to wait 5 hours to have my phone fully charged.
Thanks in advance,
Filipe
Ok, I'd like to add one more thing. I finished charging the phone last night (about midnight), by the time I went to bed (around 2 am), after barely having used it, it was still at 100%, now at 9:30 am (7.5 hours later) the battery level is at 95%. I had everything off and very little background services and apps running. Even the network type, is only set to the basic, no data connection was live/standby.When I check the battery status/histogram this is what I get:
-44% went to Cell Standby
-42% to Phone Idle
-8% Display
-6% Wifi (I think I used it before I went to bed, but turned it off right then, and it remained at 100% battery)
I'm not too happy...this can't be right...it shouldn't take 5 hours to charge and discharge this fast? Can anyone shed some light please?
Thanks
Come on....anyone? Please? This is driving me nuts!!
Yeah that sounds about right. Don't complain man. Your battery life is pretty good compared to other devices. My device takes 3 hours to fully charge and can last 24 hours with minor use. Just charge it when you go to bed and you won't notice the time it takes
My desire hd takes almost as much (Around 3 hours) and my Optimus 3d prolly takes even more (5?) to fully charge from a full discharge...
(With Stock HTC/LG Charger. The HTC's AC Adapter is 5V/1A [Shouldn't that charge a battery in under 1 1/2 hrs?]. Not too sure about the LG)
They take Much longer to charge on Computer/Laptop USB Ports. The Optimus 3d actually loses battery while charging (With screen on) with a USB port.
Also, 5% a night is pretty good. My desire hd goes down 3-5% per night (2g, no data enabled.) or 0-1% with Airplane Mode. (Rooted, Revolution 6.31)
And my optimus 3d pretty much runs out of battery in <100 mins with full brightness while Playing Games - It goes down more than 1% per minute depending on the game being played, especially if 3d Converter is used. This is pretty much the same for all GB/Froyo ROMs.
Just charge it when you go to bed and you won't notice the time it takes
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I Agree. Both phones usually last around a day at least for me. You could always try a battery monitor such as GB Battery Stats or watchdog (The CPU One). CPU Intensive applications and Awake time during sleep are usually what cause bad battery life. Faster chargers such as 2A ones should also charge the battery faster, but they might reduce the overall battery life.
I would suggest buying a wall charger and cheap batteries from ebay. They last almost as long as stock batteries and cost only ~$2-4 each. [They apparently explode though. Never happened to me.]
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Both phones seem to charge from 0-90% much faster than 91-100% as well. I'm not sure why, since 100-90 wastes just as fast as 90-0. (Charging from 90%-100% battery practically takes a third of the full charging time)
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Thanks for your feedback guys!
I just finished charging it this morning, and it's FASTER NOW!
Took exactly 2 hours and 37 minutes (Battery Moniter is a great app!).
I think it actually may be due to the phone having some sort of smart charging system which "looks after" the battery. Since the phone is new, it might be wanting to start it off with some slowww charges and gradually speed them up.
But I still have to narrow it down some more since this time I'm actually using the supplied cable and charger (the ones I tried before were also 5V/1A).
The cable I was using (had it for a while now) had a pinch or two, it didn't look that bad, but I'm thinking it could also be the cable (could be shorting)!
I'm gonna do some testing on this cable now and report back my findings!
Thanks again!
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Ok, so it actually turned out to be the cable. I really feel like a dumb ass...lol. Oh well, at least I figured it out!
So yeah, one good way to see if your cable / charger is good is to use Battery Monitor, and on the main screen where it says your device is charging (AC) and etc..it will also say the actual amperage (in mA) being fed to the battery...that number should be within the 500 to 750 range, if its lower, there is likely something wrong. (Mine was at 16...lol).
Thank you all for your help!!
Cheers!
can you explain to me more !!! i just had the phone and the battary run out like 5 hrs after ,,, what s about your cable-charger problem i didn t get your point !!! can you help me plz
mtarabichi said:
can you explain to me more !!! i just had the phone and the battary run out like 5 hrs after ,,, what s about your cable-charger problem i didn t get your point !!! can you help me plz
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My problem was the cable, and it was causing the phone to take five hours to CHARGE, not discharge.
These phones don't hold charge for too long, and the more activity you got going on, the more power it will consume. The screen hogs up the most power, so using the device constantly (especially with high intensity background light) will drain the battery very quick. First smart move would be to set the screen intensity to the lowest setting. Wi-fi and bluetooth, if you're not using them, shut them off. Open your task manager (or get a decent one from the market) and kill all the apps you got running in the background.
Games also require a lot of graphics/processing power, so naturally they will drain a lot of battery too.
Edit: There are some special cases where it could also be related to your network or even simply coverage zones exposed to the device. If it's stuck in a zone where it has weak 4g and 3g signals, it will keep bouncing back and forth causing more drain than normal on the battery as well.
If you've taken all these things into account, then you may have a defective device, then you will want to setup an RMA...or just take it back wherever you bought it and ask to exchange.
Hope this helps,
Cheers
My skyrocket takes about 3.5 hours to charge from 10% to full charge. If I plugged it in the car charger and run google map with the radio on the background, it would slowly drain the battery even though it was plugged in. My iphone 4 did not do this. It charges very fast and does not drain the battery even when I had several apps running in the background. I think the skyrocket consumes more power whether it is plugged in or not.
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My skyrocket takes about 3.5 hours to charge from 10% to full charge. If I plugged it in the car charger and run google map with the radio on the background, it would slowly drain the battery even though it was plugged in. My iphone 4 did not do this. It charges very fast and does not drain the battery even when I had several apps running in the background. I think the skyrocket consumes more power whether it is plugged in or not.
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Hi, what you need is a charger with a higher amperage rating than 500mA (or 0.5A). Buy a charger that is rated for 5V/1Amp like this one and your problems should go away.
The phone is basically "burning" more energy than it is receiving from the USB charger, hence the discharge.
To know the amperage rating of your charger look on the label for numbers that look like "5V/500mA"...
Hope this helps,
Cheers
EDIT: The link I provided does include an iPhone cable, but I'm just referring to the charger itself, the cable would obviously have to be a micro-usb.
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thread moved to...mexico?
Most illegal threads are trying to move from Mexico.
But, you need a charging source more powerful then the base 500ma, (or whatever that term of measurement is) computers are only supposed to supply 500ma to a USB port so AC adapters are typically better for charging. But feel free to follow the post above and check the rating on the charger.
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i just got my amaze, and i have auto sync off and screen on dim and it still takes for everrrrrrr to charge.. ive used a few different chargers and cords but i just got the phone so maybe after a few charges it will speed up? not sure my mytouch 4g never took this long although it would get verrrry hot
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i just got my amaze, and i have auto sync off and screen on dim and it still takes for everrrrrrr to charge.. ive used a few different chargers and cords but i just got the phone so maybe after a few charges it will speed up? not sure my mytouch 4g never took this long although it would get verrrry hot
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Well the amaze does have a hefty battery, mine is charging a bit faster than when I first had it
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rich2thad said:
i just got my amaze, and i have auto sync off and screen on dim and it still takes for everrrrrrr to charge.. ive used a few different chargers and cords but i just got the phone so maybe after a few charges it will speed up? not sure my mytouch 4g never took this long although it would get verrrry hot
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Make sure to use the original charger and cable that was supplied to you by T-Mobile/HTC
I noticed the 12-pin cable is faster than the 5-pin.
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Ok, I'd like to add one more thing. I finished charging the phone last night (about midnight), by the time I went to bed (around 2 am), after barely having used it, it was still at 100%, now at 9:30 am (7.5 hours later) the battery level is at 95%. I had everything off and very little background services and apps running. Even the network type, is only set to the basic, no data connection was live/standby.When I check the battery status/histogram this is what I get:
-44% went to Cell Standby
-42% to Phone Idle
-8% Display
-6% Wifi (I think I used it before I went to bed, but turned it off right then, and it remained at 100% battery)
I'm not too happy...this can't be right...it shouldn't take 5 hours to charge and discharge this fast? Can anyone shed some light please?
Thanks
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Sounds about right. If you want better battery life either root it or buy another battery.
To get really good battery life ?...you got the wrong phone man.
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unplugged my phone at 8 read xda forum for 5 mins got to work right now 943 already at 89 percent. Does this seem normal? I been checking better battery stats but don't really understand it. I feel like something is trying to sync. i have fetch off for email and Facebook. anyway to diagnose this on saurom rc4 clean boot.
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Are you overclocked? If you are, which governor are you using? I've posted in the OC kernel thread about an issue where the CPU is running at max frequency the entire time causing a huge battery drain.
I am right now but its showing me deep sleep and 192mhz on demond has a big percentage. Its not running max clocked i know that.
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This is my shots I'm at 78 percent now been on xda for maybe teen more mins. My brightness is one step above min level. Its like 1 percent every 3 mins when screen is on even if I'm idle.
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This is my shots I'm at 78 percent now been on xda for maybe teen more mins. My brightness is one step above min level. Its like 1 percent every 3 mins when screen is on even if I'm idle.
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I think I know what the problem is: Your phone is trying to kill itself and save humanity from that terrible font
seems like a bit much but it could be normal.
Once your phone's charge reaches 100% it stops charging to prevent damage to the Lithium-ion battery. I am not sure however when it starts charging again.
Mine charge % dips even when I am using plugged in! Horrible consumption with screen on.
installed only few apps.
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Mine charge % dips even when I am using plugged in! Horrible consumption with screen on.
installed only few apps.
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Are you using the Samsung OEM home charger? It shouldn't be dipping when using that one. Mine will charge AND increase while using it in the car with GPS running (huge battery drainer) and a driving DVR program (DailyRoads Voyager) and the screen on. All with a car charger and cheater plug that shorts Pin 2&3. That's the secret to getting rapid charge to work. The OEM home charger has those pins shorted internally. If you are trying to charge over USB on your computer then again you need that cheater plug and ensure the USB port can support more than 700 mA. If it's a USB 3.0 port then it should handle that current.
No problems for me on the stock or aftermarket chargers with the screen on.
I have the same problem with my brand new I717 GN. Battery level slowly drops when on charge, even if it's the OEM wall adapter. I've tried my Kindle USB cables as well with about the same results. I noticed the charge is a bit stronger from the wall source, but still can't keep up with even simple web browsing via WiFi. I've installed JuiceDefender as well, and it's helped reduce depletion a bit, but not really enough. This phone would never last me a full day of intermittent use without a power source.
I've read several of these threads and there doesn't really seem to be a solid solution to this other than some GN owners saying they have the problem and some don't...
Someone mentioned a crosswired 'Smart Adapter Compatible with Samsung Galaxy S' on Amazon (I'm too new and can't post the link)... I might try that but maybe I'll return for a new one if some people don't have this battery problem, unless it turns out to be a latest firmware problem..?
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I have the same problem with my brand new I717 GN. Battery level slowly drops when on charge, even if it's the OEM wall adapter. I've tried my Kindle USB cables as well with about the same results. I noticed the charge is a bit stronger from the wall source, but still can't keep up with even simple web browsing via WiFi. I've installed JuiceDefender as well, and it's helped reduce depletion a bit, but not really enough. This phone would never last me a full day of intermittent use without a power source.
I've read several of these threads and there doesn't really seem to be a solid solution to this other than some GN owners saying they have the problem and some don't...
Someone mentioned a crosswired 'Smart Adapter Compatible with Samsung Galaxy S' on Amazon (I'm too new and can't post the link)... I might try that but maybe I'll return for a new one if some people don't have this battery problem, unless it turns out to be a latest firmware problem..?
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he mentioned it and linked it 2 posts above you
ive thanked him, and guess about to buy
just that shipping cost more than the item itself, sheesh
I read an article in a journal recently about how smartphones charge their batteries. The article claimed that once the charge has reached 100%, it will stop providing current to the device until it reaches 90%, after which it will then trickle charge to maintain it at about 90%. All the while the battery meter will still show 100% (at least in the case of iPhones), but after you unplug the phone the first 10% will go rather quickly as it approaches the real charge level.
True for our notes? No idea. But with how Lithium batteries work, I wouldn't be surprised.
I haven't gotten my Note to discharge while plugged in with the OEM AC charger. In the car however, running Waze will suck the life out of it even while charging. (My car charger puts out about 150mA less than the OEM AC charger). Oddly enough, running Navigon on battery alone has less discharge than running Waze while plugged in...Which sucks, because while Waze has crappy directions, it has saved me many hours by routing around traffic. But at least the phone still charges while using Navigon and streaming some Pandora.
i am havin HTC AMAZE 4G
when i used to charge it before
phone used to come to 90% from a full in approximately 1 hour.
now it comes very quickly like 10-15 minutes
& also the major problem is my phone gets switched off at any battery percentage like 65% & when it gets restarted it comes to around 8% or sometimes even 4%.
if i pull out battery again restart the phone then sometimes it comes to around 30% back or any random increase in battery or sometimes even decreases to 4% & then the battery gets drained in 5 minutes & i have charge it again
battery takes more time to even charge
sometimes using DATA & charging it even takes 10 hours to charge
i dont know what is the problem
i have been thinking about battery problems
but i googled & in some blogs it shows as circuit problems too
the problem is i am living in INDIA
this phone is not official here so the service center guy wont touch it & i dont want to waste money on the battery if it isnt the problem
USING HTC ICS OFFICIAL ROM
NOW BATTERY LASTS with normal data on maximum 4 hours
help me out guys
thank u
How old is your handset? Battery life decline is normal as it ages. Without being able to inspect and test yours out all I can tell you is the most likely explanation for what you're describing is battery wear.
The original HTC battery that came with my phone only holds 2/3 of the charge it once had when new, which is why I invested in a pair of Anker batteries and an external charging station (I purchased them together in a package on eBay for under $30 US shipped). Having the extra batteries has been an excellent addition. I alternate them every few days to more evenly balance how they are wearing and to prolong the remaining life of my original battery. Plus it's great to have an extra battery to use for those times when I really need my device, but don't have the ability to plug in.
Check out the best battery thread in the Amaze accessory section for more details and comparisons.
I hav been using this phone for 1.5 years
tried using battery of my dad he uses same phone.
It showed 56% in my fathers phone
Wen i switched the battery &; started my phone it showed 15% at start
So what could be the problem then?
patelaquib said:
I hav been using this phone for 1.5 years
tried using battery of my dad he uses same phone.
It showed 56% in my fathers phone
Wen i switched the battery &; started my phone it showed 15% at start
So what could be the problem then?
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You're getting the different results because the batteries aren't calibrated to each phone. If you put your fully charged battery in your father's phone it shows 56%, correct? What happens when you put your father's fully charged battery in your phone? Keep in mind that when switching around the batteries neither with be calibrated to the device, but will instead show a percentage vs the battery that was properly calibrated.
Example: the battery in my phone shows as fully charged, but is worn and no longer charges to the maximum. If I place it in my brother's Evo 3D which uses the same size battery but is newer. It will show as only partially charged because his device is calibrated to his newer stronger battery. Conversely, if I put his newer battery in my phone which has been calibrated to my older worn battery it will appear to be fully or nearly fully charged for a long time before it begins to show it's draining with use.
The only way to properly test your battery would be to either try a known stronger one in yours for several charge - discharge cycles as your phone calibrates to it, or to try your battery in another device for several such cycles. Then you need to compare if there was an improvement in up-time or not. Short of taking it in to be checked on diagnostic equipment it's the best method I can think of.
Good luck!
Thank you very much for the reply
Goin to a local mobile repair guy for a hardware check
Will tell you the results tommorow
Thanks once again
Maybe you just need to wipe battery stats. One trick that works is let it drain completly and let it be drain over night and charge it again keep doing a couple of days it may just get better. But think is just battery problem not hardware related.
My Original HTC battery worked its way down to 2 hours of usable talk time. Eventually, got so bad that it barely charged on anything but a high current wall charger. Technically it was under warranty at the time...
Ordered 2 Anker Batteries w/ charger for $30, and not long after that the charger broke. It quit charging batteries.
I then just stuck with one Anker battery in my phone and the other as backup. The battery I used the most is now down to about 4 hours of life on a full charge. The least used is about 8. I try to keep the worse one charged up as a backup in a pinch and now use the good battery full time.
Just how life goes sometimes...
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My Original HTC battery worked its way down to 2 hours of usable talk time. Eventually, got so bad that it barely charged on anything but a high current wall charger. Technically it was under warranty at the time...
Ordered 2 Anker Batteries w/ charger for $30, and not long after that the charger broke. It quit charging batteries.
I then just stuck with one Anker battery in my phone and the other as backup. The battery I used the most is now down to about 4 hours of life on a full charge. The least used is about 8. I try to keep the worse one charged up as a backup in a pinch and now use the good battery full time.
Just how life goes sometimes...
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Yeah that Anker charger is the weak-spot in that 2 battery package deal. The damn thing is flimsy and fragile. I'm so paranoid about breaking it I treat it with kid gloves. The batteries are pretty good though. The package was one of the best investments I made since owning the Amaze. Using indelible marker I labeled them 1 and 2, and rotate their usage with my original HTC (which is easy to distinguish). This way when I'm on the road I always have one fully charged spare handy, one charging at home, and one in my handset.
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Maybe you just need to wipe battery stats. One trick that works is let it drain completly and let it be drain over night and charge it again keep doing a couple of days it may just get better. But think is just battery problem not hardware related.
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Agreed!
But When I was using official ICS from T-mobile, I had the same problem, even after wiping. I even faced a funny thing. Percentage of battery in bar was different from percentage shown in lock screen!!!
After flashing custom rom, All problems GONE!
I keep reading that you should try and just charge your phone to 80% to help keep the battery healthy, as going to 100% can shotren the life span of the battery.
How ciritcal is this?
I know letting your phone run down to 0% is bad as it takes a fully clylce then to get back too 100% and this is not good for the battery long ter, but i must confess i usually let my battery get to around 50/60% ish then charge back up to 100%
I've always charged my phones fully and never noticed any issues. Maybe if you plan on keeping a device for 10 years, but for the usual lifetime of a phone it's just fine. My OP7 is 2 and a half years old now and still has 86% battery health. I've seen others in Telegram groups say that they never charge to 100% and when they post their battery health it's not much different from mine, sometimes even less.
I think modern batteries are fine being fully charged ... otherwise the OEMs or battery manufacturers would limit them to 80 or 90% by default.
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I've always charged my phones fully and never noticed any issues. Maybe if you plan on keeping a device for 10 years, but for the usual lifetime of a phone it's just fine. My OP7 is 2 and a half years old now and still has 86% battery health. I've seen others in Telegram groups say that they never charge to 100% and when they post their battery health it's not much different from mine, sometimes even less.
I think modern batteries are fine being fully charged ... otherwise the OEMs or battery manufacturers would limit them to 80 or 90% by default.
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I guess I have some buffer
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I guess I have some buffer
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Hehe yea, I guess they all show 102% then because I have that as well
I like the adaptive charging, set up your bedtime and alarm for getting up (or turning over) After bedtime, phone gets trickle charged to achieve 100% at morning alarm. No excess heat etc. Phone then lasts me all day till bedtime when put on airplane mode, switch off Wi-Fi, & sleep. Works for me.
I'm showing 106%
I always charge to full, using adapting charging over night. Charging slowly and keeping temperature down is more important than keeping it to 80% from my understanding.
I just lay my phone on a slow charge Qi pad every night and when I get up it is at 100%. Nexus 6, Pixel 3, now Pixel 6. Perhaps my battery life went down a bit on my Pixel 3 after 3 years, but not enough to notice. I think 100% charge (at least slow charging) is safe for 3 to 5 years of battery life.
Li's like frequent midrange power cycling; it can extend the lifespan hundreds even thousands more full charge cycles.
Voltage and temperature are the Li's biggest stress factors. Low or high temperature charging can cause Li plating.
The higher the cell voltage, the faster it degrades.
The same is true with temperature.
Personally I just replace them every year or so as a failed Li can severely damage a phone. They tend to swell during a failure which can easily damage the display.
My Samsung S10+ is 27 months old now. I'm charging it to 80% mainly daily. Had maybe max 20 full charges and only once or twice to zero. I'm at 86% battery health (according to 146 sessions). Was 92% six months after buying brand new.
I think it helps. Also since the battery is OK (4100mah), dont need that extra 20%.
EDIT: 15W Samsung "fast" charging. As fast as that is ...
Zakelinho said:
My Samsung S10+ is 27 months old now. I'm charging it to 80% mainly daily. Had maybe max 20 full charges and only once or twice to zero. I'm at 86% battery health (according to 146 sessions). Was 92% six months after buying brand new.
I think it helps. Also since the battery is OK (4100mah), dont need that extra 20%.
EDIT: 15W Samsung "fast" charging. As fast as that is ...
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A Li is considered degraded when it reaches 80% of it's initial capacity. This signals the end of its useful service life.
Degraded Li's are more likely to fail.
Trust me it's better to replace it before it fails...
I think Better Battery Stats made that reco back in the day.
Charge to 80% and plug in at 10%.
Not so sure that really matters anymore though.
Both my 2 XL and Pixel 5 were plugged in before bed, unplugged when I got up, plugged back in when I hit 10-15% or when I went to bed.
If you plan on keeping your device for a long time (like 3-4 years) doing the unplug at 80% and plug in at 10% might make a diff.
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I think Better Battery Stats made that reco back in the day.
Charge to 80% and plug in at 10%.
Not so sure that really matters anymore though.
Both my 2 XL and Pixel 5 were plugged in before bed, unplugged when I got up, plugged back in when I hit 10-15% or when I went to bed.
If you plan on keeping your device for a long time (like 3-4 years) doing the unplug at 80% and plug in at 10% might make a diff.
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10% is too low. It causes a lot of stress on the battery as it drops below 20% to charge from that starting point or lower.
Worse there's little usable energy after 20% because of the lower voltage. The phone uses the same wattage which is determined by V×A=W, so as the voltage drops it needs more milliamperes to make the same wattage. The discharge rate increases as the cell voltage drops.
A better low cut off is 30-40% or even higher and a high cutoff of 80% although 62% is optimum.
The Li likes frequent midrange power cycling. Charging beyond those parameters is for your convenience at the cost of battery lifespan.
Batteries are cheap and most are easy to replace... so I don't sweat it.
I expect a service life of 1-2 years on a heavily used N10+ battery.
However charging in the 40-72% range yields the most rapid fast charge in the shortest time so it makes sense to use this whenever convenient.
Well, I know things have been updated within Googles code itself.
"Adaptive Charging" / "Adatptive Connectivity" additions.
This was a real big problem for me with my HTC 10, (2016)
Battery degradation threads starting popping up.
I installed Accubattery after 1.5/2 years of owning the device and the battery was degraded to about 77% capacity at that time, IIRC. I was charging to 100% at that time, also.
So, I began charging stricly to 80%.
Compared to my HTC One M8 that to this day still has 90% capacity, and I used that device from the day Verizon released (3/2014) it until the day Verizon released the HTC 10 (5/2016).
I somehow managed to use the HTC 10 up until I bought the Pixel 5 on release day (10/2020).
I was charging the HTC 10 like 3 times a day just get through, and even went back to the HTC One M8 at one point because I had enough, but was waiting for the P5 to drop.
So to answer the question, I do believe it helps.
I do think that Adaptive charging/connectivity help, as well.
I take the view that if I don't need all the capacity on a particular day I charge no higher than 70%, which lands me around 30% end of day. Otherwise I'll guestimate what I need. Off to take some photo's tonight, so will probably charge it to 90% or so.
If you like fiddling around you can use something like Tasker to switch a smart plug that your charger's plugged into on and off at what you consider appropriate battery levels. Makes it all painless once set up. Or you can buy some extra hardware too. I use this in my car to limit the phone's max charge and temperature as, for me, I think most and fastest damage is done in a hot car float charging the phone at 100%.... https://chargie.org/ Not cheap but ok in my mind to hopefully extend the service life of the phone's battery. Less than the cost and hassle of replacing a battery anyway! (I'm not associated with Chargie other than as a customer)
OK, admittedly off-topic, but, this kind of sounds like a variation of the guidance I use for charging my electric car. Don't charge it unless it drops below 80% (so don't keep topping it up), but don't let it go below 20% regularly either. I mostly plug it in at around 60% and let it fully charge. Given the cost of a replacement battery would be more than the total value of the car, I hope this gives me 10 year of life.
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OK, admittedly off-topic, but, this kind of sounds like a variation of the guidance I use for charging my electric car. Don't charge it unless it drops below 80% (so don't keep topping it up), but don't let it go below 20% regularly either. I mostly plug it in at around 60% and let it fully charge. Given the cost of a replacement battery would be more than the total value of the car, I hope this gives me 10 year of life.
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EV metering is set up differently. What shows as 100% is likely a conservative 80% charge. Research for that variant.
A 35-40% low cut off is probably better as going lower generates more heat causing needless stress... unless you need that capacity.
Just downloaded the accubattery app and then fully charged but it’s estimating 6,401mah. Must be wrong and needs to calibrate over a few days.
I’ve never had any problems charging to 100% before so I’m not stopping now. I’ll be deleting this app if it keeps warning me like it has done.
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Just downloaded the accubattery app and then fully charged but it’s estimating 6,401mah. Must be wrong and needs to calibrate over a few days.
I’ve never had any problems charging to 100% before so I’m not stopping now. I’ll be deleting this app if it keeps warning me like it has done.
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Turn it off then.
Andyzurbs said:
Just downloaded the accubattery app and then fully charged but it’s estimating 6,401mah. Must be wrong and needs to calibrate over a few days.
I’ve never had any problems charging to 100% before so I’m not stopping now. I’ll be deleting this app if it keeps warning me like it has done.
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Accubattery just provides a guide. See here:
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Hello, I'm using a pixel 6 with two cards sim. When I go to sleep the phone is fully charged and internet/wifi is turned off. When i wake up i have 88% battery (I lose 1,5% per hour). In battery use i see Ims Service. I did a test and in...
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I used to cycle from full to empty on my Pixel 2 before recharging, at about 3 years the battery couldnt last until lunch anymore. This meant more cycling, and I could fully discharge/recharge it 3 or 4 times a day. Within 6 months the battery only lasted 5 minutes, it was stuffed. Phone always hot and needed to stay on a charger 24/7, would turn off if I opened the camera without usb power connected.
Held out about 6 months on a permanent usb battery bank, was such a slog to wait until the Pixel 6 was released.