Are there any deal breakers in this gorgeous device?

Are there any deal breakers in this gorgeous device? - Oppo Find X Questions & Answers

I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!

prophet558 said:
I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!
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- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
Seems pretty solid but we won't know for a while!
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
Try looking in the forum, about three posts down in the "Killing apps" thread
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
Not so far but, it looks pretty easy to clean the dust away
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Power management is a B*&CH. See the same thread about "Killing Apps"
https://forum.xda-developers.com/find-X/help/killing-apps-screen-off-arghh-t3818105

Monty Burns said:
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
Seems pretty solid but we won't know for a while!
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
Try looking in the forum, about three posts down in the "Killing apps" thread
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
Not so far but, it looks pretty easy to clean the dust away
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Power management is a B*&CH. See the same thread about "Killing Apps"
https://forum.xda-developers.com/find-X/help/killing-apps-screen-off-arghh-t3818105
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Thanks a lot for the response. I have used ColorOS recently (Oppo Realme 1) and the Background app management was too aggressive.

prophet558 said:
Thanks a lot for the response. I have used ColorOS recently (Oppo Realme 1) and the Background app management was too aggressive.
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Yeah, it's on some sort of power trip (literally, in both senses of the phrase). That said, if you read through the thread i created, following a firmware upgrade yesterday and after a "settling period" things have been almost faultless today. My phone has been faultless and even thrown in a couple of reboots to challenge it and still been OK. My last problem of Gmail being forced to drop to 15 minute syncs instead of Push also seems to have resolved itself.
Now, i'm not sure if this is some sort of OS learning which apps I use, the firmware or just plain luck (or a combo) but, i'm now very happy with the device.
If you want your own launcher, it is entirely possible, as is removing the bloat (i'm running Nova) and there is no need to register with Oppo either. The link to achieve that is also in the thread I linked to.
I have no idea about battery life as when I'm at work it sits in a dock and then when i'm at home, it's also mostly in a dock so, battery life isn't really a concern but, i guess I'll find out this weekend!

prophet558 said:
I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!
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1) Stock Android provides for incoming notifications to be seamless (automatic by default, individual 3rd party app settings may be different by default, but, can be easily toggled on). Oppo has severe restrictions on this, limiting to 5 user installed apps to start automatically on boot & 5 apps total to be locked in recent memory.
So, a high horsepower phone is basically muzzled, if you can deal with the angst of wondering if you're going to get timely notifications...... Perhaps if you use the stock email & messaging apps, these will likely work, but, I would steer clear of those....
2) No NFC, so, no tap to pay apps will work.
3) No VoLTE, no VoWI-FI
4) No status bar notification icons, no LED notification indicator.
5) If you use T-Mobile Digits & it isn't a top 5 protected app/one of your precious 5 to auto start on boot, it will log you out of the app on reboot & it will not work until you set it up again, resulting in missed messages & phone calls.
6) 3rd party clock apps: Again, if it's not a protected top 5 app, it will not keep proper time, resulting in missed alarms..... The stock clock works, but, it is a bare bones app at best, no snooze adjustment, locked into 5 minutes, SERIOUSLY?
7) Ad Blockers will work, but, intermittently, again, the top 5 protected app thing & even then, Oppo will kill it off at some point, resulting in having to restart the blocking.
8) If you choose to use a 3rd party launcher, you again lose some functionality. I use Chrome & frequently place shortcuts on my desktop from it.
NOT ON THIS PHONE, another swing & a miss....
9) Bluetooth devices:
Generally they work fine,but,if the device has a companion app,prepare for it (the app) to not work properly.
Example(s):
I have a pair of Jabra Elite Active 65t earbuds,pair-up & work fine,but,the companion app will not work,as it requires a plug-in app to fuel it. These various "plug-in" apps are typical & the companion apps work fine elsewhere,but,not on this phone.
Reason being,the "plug-in" app does not have a user interface,so,you cannot make the app a top 5 protected app to gain functionality,it simply won't work at all.
Ditto for smartwatches such as the Samsung line-up, for the same reason,no notifications,worked one day for me & broken the next,before & after the most recent Oppo update. That results in the Samsung smartwatch getting a lobotomy,only able to keep time & nothing more.
10) Package tracking apps:
Again,the top 5 protected thing,no timely updates & even then,mine simply did not refresh automatically,had to be done manually.
I could go on, but, in a nutshell, you're forced to make sacrifices as soon as you start using the phone. If this was a entry level/low storage/low RAM device, that's one thing.
But, it's not, basically a Lamborghini running on two cylinders, that's not what I paid for & why I sold mine 5 days after the most frustrating phone experience I've ever seen....
Sent from my HUAWEI BKL-L04 using XDA Labs

Monty Burns said:
Yeah, it's on some sort of power trip (literally, in both senses of the phrase). That said, if you read through the thread i created, following a firmware upgrade yesterday and after a "settling period" things have been almost faultless today. My phone has been faultless and even thrown in a couple of reboots to challenge it and still been OK. My last problem of Gmail being forced to drop to 15 minute syncs instead of Push also seems to have resolved itself.
Now, i'm not sure if this is some sort of OS learning which apps I use, the firmware or just plain luck (or a combo) but, i'm now very happy with the device.
If you want your own launcher, it is entirely possible, as is removing the bloat (i'm running Nova) and there is no need to register with Oppo either. The link to achieve that is also in the thread I linked to.
I have no idea about battery life as when I'm at work it sits in a dock and then when i'm at home, it's also mostly in a dock so, battery life isn't really a concern but, i guess I'll find out this weekend!
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That's very reassuring for me. Are you able to view the screen on time in this device? (Dunno why colorOS hides that).

radioraheem2 said:
1: The mechanism feels very durable, and 95% of the time the camera pops up fast. I have encountered 5% of time when the camera would pop up but the camera app takes an additional second or two to load.
2: nope. Unable to use nova launcher unless you into adb and do all types of advanced phone geek thing or something.
3: there's noticeable dust on my camera module but doesn't seem to be a big deal.
The big issue with this phone you should take note is, like many Chinese roms, push notifications are delayed or broken if the app has been closed or in background too long. There is a work around for this -- you have to go to settings and turn battery optimization off AND lock the app in the app overview window. This is of course, not ideal and annoying as hell. Currently I only have crucial "must get notifications on time" apps locked, such as whatsapp, wechat and Gmail. So for the most part I can use the phone fine. But I do miss all other notifications such as airbnb messages, Facebook messages, LinkedIn messages, until I open those apps again. I could lock all of them down too, but I don't want to have like seven apps running in background at all times.
This is a problem with many Chinese version of Chinese phones. I don't know why they think battery optimization so aggressive it kills notifications is a good thing.
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Thanks for the response. Hope backgeound app management better with the Global ROM.

The international version goes on sale in India and the Philippines today. We should soon get an idea of what the phone is capable of when it isn't hobbled by the oppressive Chinese firmware.

KOLIOSIS said:
1) Stock Android provides for incoming notifications to be seamless (automatic by default, individual 3rd party app settings may be different by default, but, can be easily toggled on). Oppo has severe restrictions on this, limiting to 5 user installed apps to start automatically on boot & 5 apps total to be locked in recent memory.
So, a high horsepower phone is basically muzzled, if you can deal with the angst of wondering if you're going to get timely notifications...... Perhaps if you use the stock email & messaging apps, these will likely work, but, I would steer clear of those....
2) No NFC, so, no tap to pay apps will work.
3) No VoLTE, no VoWI-FI
4) No status bar notification icons, no LED notification indicator.
5) If you use T-Mobile Digits & it isn't a top 5 protected app/one of your precious 5 to auto start on boot, it will log you out of the app on reboot & it will not work until you set it up again, resulting in missed messages & phone calls.
6) 3rd party clock apps: Again, if it's not a protected top 5 app, it will not keep proper time, resulting in missed alarms..... The stock clock works, but, it is a bare bones app at best, no snooze adjustment, locked into 5 minutes, SERIOUSLY?
7) Ad Blockers will work, but, intermittently, again, the top 5 protected app thing & even then, Oppo will kill it off at some point, resulting in having to restart the blocking.
8) If you choose to use a 3rd party launcher, you again lose some functionality. I use Chrome & frequently place shortcuts on my desktop from it.
NOT ON THIS PHONE, another swing & a miss....
9) Bluetooth devices:
Generally they work fine,but,if the device has a companion app,prepare for it (the app) to not work properly.
Example(s):
I have a pair of Jabra Elite Active 65t earbuds,pair-up & work fine,but,the companion app will not work,as it requires a plug-in app to fuel it. These various "plug-in" apps are typical & the companion apps work fine elsewhere,but,not on this phone.
Reason being,the "plug-in" app does not have a user interface,so,you cannot make the app a top 5 protected app to gain functionality,it simply won't work at all.
Ditto for smartwatches such as the Samsung line-up, for the same reason,no notifications,worked one day for me & broken the next,before & after the most recent Oppo update. That results in the Samsung smartwatch getting a lobotomy,only able to keep time & nothing more.
10) Package tracking apps:
Again,the top 5 protected thing,no timely updates & even then,mine simply did not refresh automatically,had to be done manually.
I could go on, but, in a nutshell, you're forced to make sacrifices as soon as you start using the phone. If this was a entry level/low storage/low RAM device, that's one thing.
But, it's not, basically a Lamborghini running on two cylinders, that's not what I paid for & why I sold mine 5 days after the most frustrating phone experience I've ever seen....
Sent from my HUAWEI BKL-L04 using XDA Labs
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Really appreciate the response. That seems a lot of sacrifices which I can make except for the Smartwatch thing. Do you think the Wear OS watches will crippled the same was as the Gear ones? (Despite Wear OS being a single app with no companion apps unlike the Gear)

prophet558 said:
Really appreciate the response. That seems a lot of sacrifices which I can make except for the Smartwatch thing. Do you think the Wear OS watches will crippled the same was as the Gear ones? (Despite Wear OS being a single app with no companion apps unlike the Gear)
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If you don't make it a "Top 5 Protected" app, count on it not syncing properly/automatically.

krabman said:
The international version goes on sale in India and the Philippines today. We should soon get an idea of what the phone is capable of when it isn't hobbled by the oppressive Chinese firmware.
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They have given a tentative delivery date - 5th of August on Flipkart (India).

Screw it I just pre-ordered it (Bordeaux Red). Shipping starts from 4th of August. Hope the phone gets relatively better with the Global Indian ROM. Thank you all for your inputs.

Does it has hi dac like vivo nex ?

rowihel2012 said:
Does it has hi dac like vivo nex ?
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No it doesn't.

KOLIOSIS said:
If you don't make it a "Top 5 Protected" app, count on it not syncing properly/automatically.
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As a Wear OS user (Polar M600) i can absolutely CONFIRM what Koliosis is saying and this is not just limited to Samsung Watches.
That said, my watch has been fine now for 2 days and, even after a reboot, the same apps are still auto-run and remain locked. I actually like this solution now BUT, why the FRACK have they restricted it to only 5 apps!?
Anyway, as an example, my locked and running fine apps are:
Wear OS
The Crypto App (so it's widget runs OK - take note, to run a widget, the PARENT app needs to be locked sometimes)
WhatsApp
Gmail
Google Calendar (again, for it's widget)
Now, for me, this is perfectly OK and I have no need to even want to lock other apps (like Facebook) as i'm not interested however, you need to assess YOUR needs which may be more apps.
edit: Oh, oddly, i've got the Sony Experia clock widget installed and that runs perfectly even without being locked and I've no idea why!
Also, I've got the red and it looks stunning. Easily the best looking phone i've ever owned. You'll be happy with the physical design.

prophet558 said:
They have given a tentative delivery date - 5th of August on Flipkart (India).
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Same here, will share my inputs once I receive the device :fingers-crossed:

Funk Wizard said:
Same here, will share my inputs once I receive the device :fingers-crossed:
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Looking forward to it....
I'd be open to getting the phone again,provided the version you'll be getting won't be locked-down,as far as Auto-Start/RAM/recents/app permissions go.
If you've perused the threads here,you're aware of the limitations the users have with the Chinese version,I sure hope your experience is leaps & bounds better.............. :good:

KOLIOSIS said:
Looking forward to it....
I'd be open to getting the phone again,provided the version you'll be getting won't be locked-down,as far as Auto-Start/RAM/recents/app permissions go.
If you've perused the threads here,you're aware of the limitations the users here have with the Chinese version,I sure hope your experience is leaps & bounds better.............. :good:
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If these restrictions do not exist on a non-Chinese version, I'll be flashing as soon as it is possible and a method is detailed!

KOLIOSIS said:
Looking forward to it....
I'd be open to getting the phone again,provided the version you'll be getting won't be locked-down,as far as Auto-Start/RAM/recents/app permissions go.
If you've perused the threads here,you're aware of the limitations the users have with the Chinese version,I sure hope your experience is leaps & bounds better.............. :good:
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I am positive for a better experience on the Indian version which is already better in terms of bloat and hopefully we can do a workaround for the other issues. I will keep you posted. Currently it's a long wait as the tentative delivery is 5th August so I'll share my inputs after playing with the machine for a couple of days
Many thanks for your inputs so far and the adb workaround for bloat.
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Android Key Lime Pie most anticipated features/changes

I'd like to know what everyone is looking forward to the most with the next version of android.
My list:
-Multi-window (or at the very least a 50/50 side by side. I would love to be able to watch Netflix and browse simultaneously)
-Completely fix chrome
-fully integrated support for 3rd party application synchronization between devices (with real time data snycing)
-centralized gaming hub for high scores/achievements ect. (possibly integrated within Google+)
-support for optional cloud application data hosting (for those with not much local storage available)
-native theme support
-native NTFS support
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Nobody knows what will be in Key Lime Pie, or even if it will definitely be coming at IO, so this is a bit nonsensical to answer -- but still.
If I could request *one* feature for Key Lime Pie, it would be vastly-improved stability. No more random, total lockups of the user interface. No more sleep of death. No more random, spontaneous reboots. No more opening a web page and suddenly your whole browser vanishes with no error or warning of any kind. No more other apps doing the exact same thing.
In short, a properly stable operating system.
Oh, and proper multitasking where programs don't spontaneously close without warning when they're in the background, where programs don't stay running after you swipe them away from the recent apps list, and where they don't remain in the recent apps list after you exit them by actually shutting the app down. That'd be nice, too.
I couldn't care less about side-by-side display of apps; on my phone I would never use it because the screen is too small, and on my tablet I would never use it because that's what multitasking and switching between apps is for.

[quote="knoxploration"[/quote]No more random, total lockups of the user interface. No more sleep of death. No more random, spontaneous reboots. No more opening a web page and suddenly your whole browser vanishes with no error or warning of any kind. No more other apps doing the exact same thing.[/quote] I would agree that we'd all like to have our OS 100% rock-solid stable, and that this is a goal to strive for, but that sounds a bit odd...the way you're describing it, these things are quite frequent for you. I rarely see issues like this on my Galaxy Nexus running 4.2.2; I recently had to do a system wipe due to some corruption that caused super battery drain and issues with text messaging, but that's unrelated to this, really. The hardware on the Nexus 4 and Nexus 10 runs circles around my GNexus, too - is it really that bad? [quote="knoxploration"[/quote]Oh, and proper multitasking where programs don't spontaneously close without warning when they're in the background[/quote] That is automatic task killing used to keep RAM reserves in check and keep the system running smoothly at all times. The Nexus 4 and 10 have a LOT better experience with multitasking than older devices, with their 2GB of RAM. There's a reason Google upped the ante in that area! Android needs those resources to operate efficiently and properly. [quote="knoxploration"[/quote] where programs don't stay running after you swipe them away from the recent apps list[/quote] This one puzzles me...they don't stay running unless its a background process, like TextPlus or Gmail push notifications. And you can turn those off, if you want to. Some even do stop - if you swipe away Google Music, the background music stops playing as well.
As for side by side display, I have to agree with you. Not TOO meaningful on a tablet, definitely not a 4.6" phone. It would be a nice option, though.
By the way, nice topic HarmonyFlame! I love these kinds of posts. Theres great, positive discussion on them, usually.

CWalkop said:
I would agree that we'd all like to have our OS 100% rock-solid stable, and that this is a goal to strive for, but that sounds a bit odd...the way you're describing it, these things are quite frequent for you.
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They are very, very frequent issues on my Asus Eee Pad Transformer TF101 (I own two, both do it.) It's an issue even on a stock, unrooted tablet without a single app installed, and has been ever since the Ice Cream Sandwich update. (It was fine on Honeycomb.)
I've not bought the Nexus 10 yet, but have already been warned it suffers the same issues.
It is much rarer on my phones than on tablets; they do it, but very rarely. The tablets do it on a daily basis.
CWalkop said:
That is automatic task killing used to keep RAM reserves in check and keep the system running smoothly at all times. The Nexus 4 and 10 have a LOT better experience with multitasking than older devices, with their 2GB of RAM. There's a reason Google upped the ante in that area! Android needs those resources to operate efficiently and properly.
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I know why it is there. I also know it is poor design. I know which of the apps running in the background are important to me; the tablet doesn't. A good design would simply warn me that I was running low on memory, and let me choose which apps to kill, rather than killing something I potentially need. I have lost data to this; it is bad behavior.
CWalkop said:
This one puzzles me...they don't stay running unless its a background process, like TextPlus or Gmail push notifications. And you can turn those off, if you want to. Some even do stop - if you swipe away Google Music, the background music stops playing as well.
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I can't provide examples as I don't remember which programs do it, but I have come across multiple apps that definitely stay open (with no notifications present, and these aren't background processes) when you swipe them away. Go to apps and force stop, the program will actually exit. Swipe it away from the recent apps list, and it will not.

knoxploration said:
They are very, very frequent issues on my Asus Eee Pad Transformer TF101 (I own two, both do it.) It's an issue even on a stock, unrooted tablet without a single app installed, and has been ever since the Ice Cream Sandwich update. (It was fine on Honeycomb.)
I've not bought the Nexus 10 yet, but have already been warned it suffers the same issues.
It is much rarer on my phones than on tablets; they do it, but very rarely. The tablets do it on a daily basis.
I know why it is there. I also know it is poor design. I know which of the apps running in the background are important to me; the tablet doesn't. A good design would simply warn me that I was running low on memory, and let me choose which apps to kill, rather than killing something I potentially need. I have lost data to this; it is bad behavior.
I can't provide examples as I don't remember which programs do it, but I have come across multiple apps that definitely stay open (with no notifications present, and these aren't background processes) when you swipe them away. Go to apps and force stop, the program will actually exit. Swipe it away from the recent apps list, and it will not.
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So you don't own a nexus 10 but you're making comparison to the tf101? Which is a very old tablet! It doesn't matter to the system what apps are important to you, the system is going to decide what should be closed when is needed, specially if you let it sit in the back too long, why is Google going to worry about what app the user would like to keep open while is in the background, with how many apps we have today, that's for the end used to worry about, if you don't want to lose data just don't push that important task to the background until you're done with it. I personally think that it handles the task of killing apps when needed quite well, it will never be perfect for everyone but it sure is as good as it gets right now. If you're having issues closing apps, by having to force close from the manage apps menu then you need to see what app is causing this, because that's not normal..
I know there's always room for improvement , but that's why I run rooted and custom, that way you get the best available and not just what Google wants you to have.
My 2¢

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what multitasking and switching between apps is for.

The one thing I should love to see again is for them to somehow have the OS know that if you're running it on a tab, you get tab nav bar, and not like a phone/phablet, like in previous versions, or let the user decide which one to use, like our custom ROMs that have them, not like AOKP though, it still looks funky, they're too separate., I'm saying this but when it comes out I'll run it for a little bit, and be on the first custom rom after a dev cooks one up.
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roloracer said:
So you don't own a nexus 10 but you're making comparison to the tf101? Which is a very old tablet! It doesn't matter to the system what apps are important to you, the system is going to decide what should be closed when is needed, specially if you let it sit in the back too long, why is Google going to worry about what app the user would like to keep open while is in the background, with how many apps we have today, that's for the end used to worry about, if you don't want to lose data just don't push that important task to the background until you're done with it. I personally think that it handles the task of killing apps when needed quite well, it will never be perfect for everyone but it sure is as good as it gets right now. If you're having issues closing apps, by having to force close from the manage apps menu then you need to see what app is causing this, because that's not normal..
I know there's always room for improvement , but that's why I run rooted and custom, that way you get the best available and not just what Google wants you to have.
My 2¢
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I'm comparing to the TF101 running numerous Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean ROMs, including the stock Asus ROM, plus the experiences of others using the Nexus 10 and other Android tablets. We'll see soon enough though as I just got the Nexus 10 myself today...
And wow, if your opinion is that it is the user's fault rather than poor OS design, then thank goodness you aren't an OS designer. The OS is supposed to be seeing the user's needs, not vice versa. People don't buy tablets because they want to be slaves to them.
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knoxploration said:
And wow, if your opinion is that it is the user's fault rather than poor OS design, then thank goodness you aren't an OS designer. The OS is supposed to be seeing the user's needs, not vice versa. People don't buy tablets because they want to be slaves to them.
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The OS doesn't care. If the RAM is getting full, and the OS needs the RAM in order to run something else, memory management will kill whatever it needs to in order to get enough RAM to run it. Regardless of the fact you, the user, use that app 4 times more than anything else currently in memory. The tablet is not learning your usage habits.
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trickster2369 said:
The OS doesn't care. If the RAM is getting full, and the OS needs the RAM in order to run something else, memory management will kill whatever it needs to in order to get enough RAM to run it. Regardless of the fact you, the user, use that app 4 times more than anything else currently in memory. The tablet is not learning your usage habits.
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And that is precisely my point. The OS is dumb, and yet it forces its dumb decisions on the user. An intelligent OS would either learn which apps the user didn't want closed, provide a way to prioritize or prevent closing of certain apps or apps in certain states, or simply warn when the threshold nears and let the user decide what to close.
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I'm not sure if I want that feature... But now that you mention it I'm actually surprised it is not there... What with google being the king of tracking usage habits and all

It seems simple enough to implement. Have the ability to "pin" apps you want kept alive in the apps list.
Edit: Clarification.
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Bait-Fish said:
It seems simple enough to implement. Have the ability to "pin" apps you want kept alive in the apps list.
Edit: Clarification.
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I think it then becomes a tradeoff in terms of convenience. For example it might be more convenient if apps are forced to remain open if that is what the user wants, but at the same time it means that if you have a list of apps that the OS cannot close on it's own accord, and you suddenly decide you want to use an app that requires more resources than are available, due to them being used up with these pinned apps, does the user then have to manually go and close their apps down in order for the new app to run correctly?

hughlle said:
I think it then becomes a tradeoff in terms of convenience. For example it might be more convenient if apps are forced to remain open if that is what the user wants, but at the same time it means that if you have a list of apps that the OS cannot close on it's own accord, and you suddenly decide you want to use an app that requires more resources than are available, due to them being used up with these pinned apps, does the user then have to manually go and close their apps down in order for the new app to run correctly?
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That is infinitely preferable to the OS closing an app randomly and losing your data.
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knoxploration said:
That is infinitely preferable to the OS closing an app randomly and losing your data.
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And therein lies the issue. Who to cater for? You think this preferable, i think it not. Google has to decide which market to target. I have no statistics, just an opinion, but i personally think that there are probably a lot more people buying phones and tablets who just want to press a button and have the app work. As a user, i personally do not come across many instances where i switch back to an app and find i've lost my data, i imagine this is more important and relevant for people using their tablets and phones for more serious work be it business or study etc. But for someone just wanting to get onto facebook, or take a photo, or play a game, which is in my mind, the majority of users, i think it would be preferable to them not to have to have to start killing apps so as to get their youtube video to play in a smooth fashion.
Maybe google could arrive at a compromise, or a DEV could somehow implement it either as default or as an option, but for now i think that it is as it is for the sake of the general market. Most users are casual users, maybe not even technically proficient, they just want it to work in as simple fashion as possible. Just look at roms as an example. Plenty of roms offer plenty of features that people claim they want or need, but the vast majority of users happily get by without these supposedly important additional functions.

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I'm comparing to the TF101 running numerous Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean ROMs, including the stock Asus ROM, plus the experiences of others using the Nexus 10 and other Android tablets. We'll see soon enough though as I just got the Nexus 10 myself today...
And wow, if your opinion is that it is the user's fault rather than poor OS design, then thank goodness you aren't an OS designer. The OS is supposed to be seeing the user's needs, not vice versa. People don't buy tablets because they want to be slaves to them.
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But you're still comparing it to a tegra 2 , 1ghz processor , 1gig of ram tablet, apples and oranges.
And my opinion is coming from a person that has been into android since day one, still have my T-Mobile G1, among other devices, and the matter of fact is that the OS has never cared about apps open and what apps the user wanted to keep open, before we had to use app killers because they would stay open and eat up all the ram, yes this tablet has issues and is not perfect, but is still the best as of now. Apparently I hit a nerve with my comment, it wasn't my intention. I agree with you that the OS should see what apps get more use and give them some sort of priority over others to prevent them from being killed but it doesn't work that way as of now I'm afraid. Maybe that will be a new feature in key lime pie, intelligent memory management.
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That is infinitely preferable to the OS closing an app randomly and losing your data.
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Memory management is tricky. Physically memory can get fragmented so despite overall memory being available, what is there is in chunks too small to be actually use. There is nothing random about which app Android chooses to close when there is not enough memory. "Least used" logic would be just one example of how an app is choosen. Other factors are also taken into account.
A major feature of Andorid is memory management which includes that when an app starts it registers a "close routine". Android calls that routine when it needs more memory and has selected that app for closure. The routine lets the app gracefully save any user data before it is closed. Only poorly coded apps would loose values user data when signalled that it is being shutdown by the OS.

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Only poorly coded apps would loose values user data when signalled that it is being shutdown by the OS.
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So Google's stock browser and Chrome are both poorly-coded, then?
Those are the two apps that lose me data -- or simply force me to have to log back into websites over and over -- the most often due to this poor design.

knoxploration said:
So Google's stock browser and Chrome are both poorly-coded, then?
Those are the two apps that lose me data -- or simply force me to have to log back into websites over and over -- the most often due to this poor design.
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Have you not seen the number of complaints about chromes instability and such, it certainly seems that it is indeed poorly coded.
That said, i have never experienced this with chrome on my N10 at all. The only website that i find i am often asked to log back into is XDA, every other site is just fine.

Huge list of disabled apps! 180+!!!

There is an issue with the latest list so don't copy it completely. I got a bootloop after restarting my phone today and I had to factory reset... this is as of 10/8/16 at 12:50pm. The list from the 5th of October on back should be fine. I'm currently trying to sort out the issue.
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Here is a list of apps and services which can be disabled on the Note 7 while still maintaining stability; Data, Calling, Texting, MMS, Wi-Fi, Tethering, Bluetooth, GPS, Sync, Camera, EQ, HD Calling, Always On and all the S-Pen features work, but most other things are turned off like Fingerprint, Iris, NFC, Edge Panel, Pay Services, etc... This list isn't meant to be copied exactly by everyone because we all use our devices differently but you can pick and choose what you want to get the optimal performance from your device.
As of 10/6/16 I have 180+ apps and services disabled and today I got over 8 hours of SOT with 11% battery left (over 9 hours projected of SOT based on the days' usage). I didn't use any power saving modes and kept my brightness at a reasonable level so using the device was easy and not annoying due to the brightness being so low. I had location and sync enabled and wasn't doing any unnatural things trying to squeeze out as much battery life as I could. This was real world usage with all the necessary features and background processes running so using the device felt natural and functional. I say this so people don't think I fudged these numbers by doing things like letting my phone sit with the screen on while at the lowest brightness and not using it, or that I was using some power saving modes to squeeze out as much life as possible. My phone ran at full power all day. I've never even toggled power saving mode on my phone before.
Due to XDA's limit on the amount of image uploads I'm going to create two post with the complete list of disabled apps and link them here in the OP.
I'm using EZ Package Disabler (Samsung) from the play store to disable these apps and services. I bought that one because it had the highest rating.
Below here are some updates I posted during the process of figuring out what to disable. The post with the latest date is always going to have the most current and relevant information.
9/30/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68930083&postcount=16
10/2/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68950934&postcount=23
10/3/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68972097&postcount=26 / http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68972131&postcount=27
10/5/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68999679&postcount=33
[UNSTABLE something in this list caused me to bootloop]10/6/16 - 184 Disabled Apps & Services List Part 1 Here and Part 2 Here XML Export File List Here

Why do you bother to own this phone when you disable most of what makes this phone so great? It has a tonne of RAM, tonne of storage, not sure what you are trying to achieve by disabling so much?
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tonymy01 said:
Why do you bother to own this phone when you disable most of what makes this phone so great? It has a tonne of RAM, tonne of storage, not sure what you are trying to achieve by disabling so much?
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Actually, most of the features are still there. I bought it for the S-pen features and all that is still there. Did you go through the list and see what I turned off or are you just replying to reply? If you read my OG post you'd see I said that my goal was to keep the functionality of the device.
This phone is loaded with bloat and useless services and apps that most will never use. All these things can cause battery drain, cpu usage, ram usage, hardware heat, among other things. So why not turn off what is not needed? It doesn't matter how much ram the phone has, why run stuff that doesn't need to run since you aren't using it?

Fingerprint,shealth, Android pay, software updating, iris scanner, gmail, standard email, game launcher, Samsung cloud (much more useful than Google backup as it supports call logs, sms and other recoveries), the emergency alerts, car mode(for operating in car potentially with different launcher suitable for vehicle use) the list goes on and on and I did look, I don't post for no reason.
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Fingerprint,shealth, Android pay, software updating, iris scanner, gmail, standard email, game launcher, the emergency alerts, car mode(for operating in car potentially with different launcher suitable for vehicle use) the list goes on and on and I did look, I don't post for no reason.
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Like I said, I bought it for the S-pen features. What I disabled I don't use and have no use for. Also If I want to use them at any time I can just reenable them. So let's go through your list. Fingerprint, I use swipe or a pin or a pattern. S-health, I use google fit, or nothing since I don't need a smartphone to tell me how to be fit. Android pay, I use cash. Software updating, if I want an update I can manually grab it, I don't need a service running constantly checking for them. Iris scanner, it's stupid and I'll never use it. Gmail, I use inbox and Alto. Standard email, I only have gmail accounts so don't need other email services. Game launcher, I don't play games. Emergency Alerts, seriously? You are just looking for things to justify your post, EA's are useless and annoying when they pop up and have never benefited me once. Car mode, I have no use for it since I drive a 2000 windstar minivan and waze provides me with all I need in a car. Also, you didn't name one thing that makes this phone great but rather things that are basically on all Android's. Again, I bought the phone for the S-pen, all that is still there. Why are you even doing this? your post are as useless as the apps and services I disabled.

Troll flushed where it belongs. Goodbye, no need to be so rude about it.
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It may be more useful to state what battery usage difference has been found / before and after

bonerp said:
It may be more useful to state what battery usage difference has been found / before and after
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Totally agree. I will try testing N7 when I get mine. First factory reset it out of the box (maybe get the update first then factory reset it with recovery). After that set it up keep all apps and see how battery is... the try the disabler I loke to debloat because phone looks much more cleaner then. And any debloat list is totally personal that why I used TB on my rooted devices, this time won't rush to root

Just disable the damn phone, turn it off and stop using it lol
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Why all the hate?
I really don't get when people post about disabling certain features that others get upset. Or use power saver, etc.
This is one of the great things about Android, the ability to customize and mod our phones to our liking. Try doing any of these things with an Iphone, you can't. So this particular user wants to disable Gmail and messages because he uses other services (Inbox is awesome). He reports back that things still seem stable? Great! I am interested in updates to see if he runs into any problems etc
Let's talk about the great features we have, which include the ability to replace core apps if we desire. Don't jump on someone for doing so.
A mouse running into a room at a party doesn't cause chaos, how people react to it does. We are all responsible for our own actions. You don't like how someone else customizes their phone, who cares? Move on to the next post.
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jmitr said:
Why all the hate? I am interested in updates to see if he runs into any problems etc
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Used the phone very heavy today and ran into no real issues. I had to reenable one service because I tried to use the built-in EQ and it made settings crash. I was able to find the cause in less than a minute and reenable it The service that needs to run for the EQ to work is "SoundAlive" on page 8.
Also got 2.75 hours of SOT and 3 hours of gps use and was right at 50% battery left. At the end of tomorrow I'm going to post some screenshots.

Thanks for the list OP, I probably won't be disabling as much as you have but it's great to know what I can kill without messing up the phone. (when I finally get it)

Mdizzle1 said:
Thanks for the list OP, I probably won't be disabling as much as you have but it's great to know what I can kill without messing up the phone. (when I finally get it)
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No problem. I plan on trying to get more added to the list. Once I know what I've added so far is safe and doesn't cause any issues I'll slowly add more.

I appreciate the list too. It is good to know what can be safely disabled and then we can decide what we want to keep or give the heave ho.

Smithfolk4 said:
I appreciate the list too. It is good to know what can be safely disabled and then we can decide what we want to keep or give the heave ho.
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I've done another day of heavy use today and I'm very happy with my results. I had over 3 hours of SOT using auto brightness which stayed on max brightness most of the time since I was outside and I still had over 40% (I estimate I was on track to get very close to 6 hours SOT with max auto brightness!!!) battery left when I got home. I also used GPS for about an hour along with installing app, and constantly doing other stuff on the phone. I'm going to update the OP with some more screenshots. But from these past two full days of very heavy use and no force closes or issues to speak of (other than having to turn SoundAlive back on for the EQ to work) I'm going to say what I've disabled so far is safe and causes no dependency issues. Also, the phone runs very smooth and doesn't get hot at all. Even today with basically 3 straight hours of SOT and max auto brightness the phone never heated up.
Oh! I'm at 101 things disabled now (not including my downloaded disabled apps) which is how I ran it all day today. More to come! Once I feel like I've found everything I can disable safely I'll do a new updated OP with all I found.

9/30/16 screenshots just showing some battery and cpu use stats. In the future I'm going to add some temp stats. If anyone has a good app for monitoring temps let me know even if it's paid. I don't mind buying apps that are good and useful.

Awesome the list is identical to what I disabled excluding iris, finger print, Samsung app store, gmail and sound alive. I can tell my phone lasts longer on a single charge and everything works just as if everything were enabled. For some odd reason I don't like seeing my RAM going over 2GB lol I know I know unused memory is a waste in Android OS.

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Awesome the list is identical to what I disabled excluding iris, finger print, Samsung app store, gmail and sound alive. I can tell my phone lasts longer on a single charge and everything works just as if everything were enabled. For some odd reason I don't like seeing my RAM going over 2GB lol I know I know unused memory is a waste in Android OS.
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I've always hated automation. I can't stand things running without my permission! I've had all startup programs on windows disabled since 2003 Back in the day on Windows XP I got my active running services in task manager to below 20. I'm now at 101 things disabled on the note 7 and I know there is a ton more I can turn off but I'm going about things slowly. I've confirmed that the 101 things I've turned off so far are safe and the phone definitely runs better in every way.
As far as the ram theories and myths about Android it's mostly people repeating their misunderstandings. Of course if you are using the apps in the ram a lot it's good for them to be there because they will load faster but if you are never using those apps and services and they are still sitting in your ram then it's not productive and a waste of resources which will cause the phone to not run optimally. These phones (and computers) come preloaded with tons of stuff running because they are targeted at the average user and not at the power/informed users. Anyone who knows much of anything about computers and how they are setup from the factory knows they are not configured for performance but rather a balance between performance and usability. Of course Android is getting better and better at managing apps and putting them to sleep but there still is nothing better than completely disabling things you don't need and will never use and thereby freeing up resources you can use for things you are actually using...wow! what a concept, have resources there to use for things you actually use! Genius! People seem to act like having ram full just for the sake of having it full is a good thing in Android when that is completely false. Even Android likes to have resources free that it can use for other things.

142 disabled apps and services
So I'm now sitting at 142 things disabled. I'm going to run my current setup for a couple days and see how it goes. I'll report back the results. Hopefully in a week or so I'll have a full list of what can be turned off without having issues.

Looking forward to your end results. Thank You for sharing your experience debloating.

Moto 360 sport AW2.0 comments

just thought that we could use a thread for the sport users and comments on the AW2 update, considering how poorly viewed the Moto 360 v2 update was, and how many sport users would definitely profit from viewpoints of those who have the update.
I updated yesterday, and to be honest I was pretty excited. First things first, how the update went; while many people had difficulties updating, I had no such problem with mine. I enabled the always on while charging, got to the update screen, put it on the charger, and let it go( all done through the slow but not too slow Bluetooth connection). It downloaded, installed, and rebooted (which took longer than I anticipated). The setup process was quick and easy for me, and once I got setup I was off. The first thing I did was slide left for my apps, only to remember that this function is reserved for the watch faces now. I actually enjoy this feature, as it took ages to change a face on AW1.5( I can now put my favorite faces in a line, instead of setting the top three faces over and over until they were definitely in my recents). Next, I opened my app menu. This is a great feature now. The ability to put the apps I actually use at the top is very nice. Speaking of apps, let me touch on those. The play store CAN eat up some battery, so you might want to watch it(zing). It wasn't until I got AW2 that I realized that most wear apps are designed now with 2.0 in mind. The usability is increased, there are more options, and the apps are just..... Better. There's not an easy way to explain it without experiencing it.
Overall, I've been very pleased with this update. It seems more stable than AW1.5, not to mention more modern. I do have to say that the battery is going to die faster, but only if you're using it extensively. My watch battery currently is in a better standard than my phone's (but with a LG K10 what can you do?). Today, with activities including looking at my agenda, texting people back with the keyboard (which is so accurate I might DIE), looking through apps on the play store, and checking notifications, my battery is at 30%, and that's with 13 hours. Notifications, when set to high, work completely fine for me and I enjoy the new look greatly. all of the problems faced by the gen2 users I cannot find a existence of. I would recommend this update, as it seems that Motorola took the time they spent denying us our update and used it to fix the problems the gen 2 users had.

I agree - I love this update! With AW 2 the sport feels like a new watch. Sure, accessing apps is different than before ( no more swipe left) but that's fine - easy too adjust.
Battery life is pretty much the same as before for me and love the new look for the app drawer and notifications.
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Just got the update, I'll install it later and report back, I'm excited.
Update: okay I installed it a couple days ago and so far it's pretty smooth, better than before. Battery life is hard to tell yet but so far it's good, I'll update on that later. The OS has a ton of new features that were previously only on phones such as disabling apps and turning off Bluetooth which is cool. Typing on the tiny keyboard and with drawing is actually fairly easy. So far I'm loving the update, not a bad thing to say yet besides getting used to the new UI and it's various changes like opening the apps list with the button and scrolling fast up will scroll through the top notification (scrolling has more inertia basically). Oh, and the security patch is April 1, 2017.

Good post @Nobodyslight . I'm enjoying it too although I'm not using it quite as much as you are. I'll need to explore some more but right now I'm doing the Android O thing. One question is on notifications set to high. I haven't done it but I do like that once you view an on screen noti then it doesn't appear again unless you swipe up. You don't even have to swipe it away like before. With it set to high vs normal does that feature go away? In other words will the notification say on top of the face until you dismiss it?

bobby janow said:
Good post @Nobodyslight . I'm enjoying it too although I'm not using it quite as much as you are. I'll need to explore some more but right now I'm doing the Android O thing. One question is on notifications set to high. I haven't done it but I do like that once you view an on screen noti then it doesn't appear again unless you swipe up. You don't even have to swipe it away like before. With it set to high vs normal does that feature go away? In other words will the notification say on top of the face until you dismiss it?
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It does stay, but you can swipe down to go back to the watch face. But I think under the app settings in settings you can change which apps can get that priority; so if you wanted only some apps to show up like that, you could arrange it that way

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It does stay, but you can swipe down to go back to the watch face. But I think under the app settings in settings you can change which apps can get that priority; so if you wanted only some apps to show up like that, you could arrange it that way
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Thanks, but not seeing individual permissions. Not a big deal because I really don't want any app noti to stay on top. Good to know that is what high priority does. I'll stay away.
As for battery, I just hade a gps running (Strava) for the past almost 4 hours and I still have 50% left. I'll give it a quick charge now but that's really not too bad.

Mine was stuck on the 'continue setup on your phone' screen and I stupidly de-registered it with my phone. I can't even hard reset cause if I go onto recovery mode I can't swipe up or down. So it's pretty much dead any ideas?

Continuing here from where I reported in on the other thread; Went to bed with 100% battery and started sleep tracking from the watch on Sleep with Android. Put the watch into Theater mode and got a solid 6 hours sleep. Woke up to 50% battery. On Wear 1.5 I was waking up to 73~75%. Some watch owners that use Sleep are reporting that heart rate monitoring during sleep tracking was broken after upgrading to 2.0, while mine was so much more accurate than the last 3 months.
Overall, now that I've got vibration with my notifications, I've got hope for 2.0, battery issues aside. Overall the watch is much more responsive. The animations are smooth. The keyboard, I'm honestly shocked it works this well. Speech to text, 2.0 stomps the old 1.5.
I'm liking it ? We waited for a more polished version I think. I like my watch again.

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Continuing here from where I reported in on the other thread; Went to bed with 100% battery and started sleep tracking from the watch on Sleep with Android. Put the watch into Theater mode and got a solid 6 hours sleep. Woke up to 50% battery. On Wear 1.5 I was waking up to 73~75%. Some watch owners that use Sleep are reporting that heart rate monitoring during sleep tracking was broken after upgrading to 2.0, while mine was so much more accurate than the last 3 months.
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How do you get heart rate monitoring during sleep? What app/settings do you use? Thanks
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Mine is good too. I've just added Swirl Launcher to my custom WhatchMaker face so I don't have to press button for apps.

SAMVREMIX said:
Mine was stuck on the 'continue setup on your phone' screen and I stupidly de-registered it with my phone. I can't even hard reset cause if I go onto recovery mode I can't swipe up or down. So it's pretty much dead any ideas?
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You can try to factory reset without enter recovery mode:
1) from the watch Settings --> System --> Unpair and reset
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2) from the phone, using Android Wear and selecting "unpair the watch"

Stepman57 said:
You can try to factory reset without enter recovery mode:
1) from the watch Settings --> System --> Unpair and reset
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2) from the phone, using Android Wear and selecting "unpair the watch"
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Can't enter settings during the initial setup and I disconnected the watch but the watch stays hanging on the setup screen. I tried entering receiver to hard reset it but when I swipe up or down on the screen I can't change the option. I can only reboot

For the life of me, I can't figure out how to shuffle my running playlist since upgrading to AW2.0.
Has anyone figured out how to make this work yet?

But the battery life is not as AW 1.5 BTW which watchfaces do you use for complications support?
Nobodyslight said:
just thought that we could use a thread for the sport users and comments on the AW2 update, considering how poorly viewed the Moto 360 v2 update was, and how many sport users would definitely profit from viewpoints of those who have the update.
I updated yesterday, and to be honest I was pretty excited. First things first, how the update went; while many people had difficulties updating, I had no such problem with mine. I enabled the always on while charging, got to the update screen, put it on the charger, and let it go( all done through the slow but not too slow Bluetooth connection). It downloaded, installed, and rebooted (which took longer than I anticipated). The setup process was quick and easy for me, and once I got setup I was off. The first thing I did was slide left for my apps, only to remember that this function is reserved for the watch faces now. I actually enjoy this feature, as it took ages to change a face on AW1.5( I can now put my favorite faces in a line, instead of setting the top three faces over and over until they were definitely in my recents). Next, I opened my app menu. This is a great feature now. The ability to put the apps I actually use at the top is very nice. Speaking of apps, let me touch on those. The play store CAN eat up some battery, so you might want to watch it(zing). It wasn't until I got AW2 that I realized that most wear apps are designed now with 2.0 in mind. The usability is increased, there are more options, and the apps are just..... Better. There's not an easy way to explain it without experiencing it.
Overall, I've been very pleased with this update. It seems more stable than AW1.5, not to mention more modern. I do have to say that the battery is going to die faster, but only if you're using it extensively. My watch battery currently is in a better standard than my phone's (but with a LG K10 what can you do?). Today, with activities including looking at my agenda, texting people back with the keyboard (which is so accurate I might DIE), looking through apps on the play store, and checking notifications, my battery is at 30%, and that's with 13 hours. Notifications, when set to high, work completely fine for me and I enjoy the new look greatly. all of the problems faced by the gen2 users I cannot find a existence of. I would recommend this update, as it seems that Motorola took the time they spent denying us our update and used it to fix the problems the gen 2 users had.
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nirvikkhanal said:
But the battery life is not as AW 1.5 BTW which watchfaces do you use for complications support?
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I use the lines watch face.

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You can try to factory reset without enter recovery mode:
1) from the watch Settings --> System --> Unpair and reset
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2) from the phone, using Android Wear and selecting "unpair the watch"
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Thing is I can't ener the settings as it's stuck in the setup

Hello everyone!
I have the next issue:
Google feed is not working AT ALL in the moto 360 sport.
I was a beta tester of google app, but leave the beta to test is that make the trick, but again a no-go.
Any advice would be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

drziddo said:
Hello everyone!
I have the next issue:
Google feed is not working AT ALL in the moto 360 sport.
I was a beta tester of google app, but leave the beta to test is that make the trick, but again a no-go.
Any advice would be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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The Google fees isn't as it is in the app. The only things that'll pop up in there is weather, and some location tidbits(assuming you have location on on your phone and watch, and you allow Google to give you location based cards)

I just purchased 2 of the 360 sport and first thing I did was upgrade them to 2.0. I originally had a Gear 2 Neo that was hacked to run android 1.5 on it. My wife had the Gear fit 2. So that is what I compare my experience to.
Here are my impressions so far:
Battery life seems pretty bad. I barely get a full day out of it. My Neo would easily go 2 days and my wife's fit 2 would go 3 - 4.
The screen doesn't respond as I would expect. It seems to not know exactly which way I want to swipe all the time.
Step counter is incredibly inaccurate. both watches consistently seem to only catch 50% of the steps. My wife is sending hers back for this reason.
Even though I have enabled "OK Google" in the settings, it never responds. Only way I can get speech recognition to work is hold down the menu button.
I have had mine randomly reboot twice. My Gear 2 Neo would do this occasionally but it was somewhat expected being hacked to run wear.
Not sure if I should send mine back and purchase a Gear s2. I did some Googling and these issues seem to be very common. Anyone have experience with the Gear S2 that can give me a comparison? Really like the 2.0 interface and the Moto360 is a nice watch, if these bugs were worked out.

vansmack said:
For the life of me, I can't figure out how to shuffle my running playlist since upgrading to AW2.0.
Has anyone figured out how to make this work yet?
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Well that only took 8 months to fix! How the hell it was ever left out I'll never know....
https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/03/21/google-improves-play-music-experience-wear-os/

just bought a 2nd hand moto 360 sport and just in time for AW 2.0 to arrive. i had previously used a 1st gen moto 360 with AW1.5, but it has since died. gotta say, the AW 2.0 is looking solid, i enjoyed it very much, its more fluid, more easy to navigate.. but i think im missing something. i can't find the setting to vibrate or notify when my phone or watch is out of range of each other

Z2 Play Oreo bugs list - what have you found ?

So, I updated my Moto to Oreo yesterday using fastboot method. Quick and painless process.
But after initial setup and check "what's new" I've noticed first bug. Then I thought : maybe we could make a list with all the bugs we spotted ?
Just in case, so maybe we could also keep track when (or if) they will be eliminated ?
So, put your findings there - but I propose that it should be done only by those who already tried factory reset on their phones or complete wipe during flashing. Just to avoid the bugs which come from previous setup leftovers on the phone.
So, my entry to the list is :
- when setting up ringtones - notifications, when I play the selected sound it's most often played back very quietly for the first time, the second time I click the same sound it's played back with normal volume.
By the way, the audio equalizer is working properly now - for me this was the most important change

Found a few.
- Sound glitch is still here, can be unnoticed, but I found a funny thing now. When playing music, with Spotify, YT or similar; you can get a weird glitch in where the sounds goes up and down fast. You need to stop the audio source, and wait few seconds to keep playing.
- Nav Bar, moves a lot so you can really notice when the icons are slightly up or down. I understand why; to avoid damaged pixels, but is funny.
- Nav Bar again. It can be unresponsive, needing to press it twice to allow usage. Solve for this was to start the Moto App, enable the fingeprint sensor and just disable again. It makes the nav bar Works normally then.
- EQ finally Works. But you need to get into a move few options unless is gonna be bass oriented even after you open the EQ settings, you would see a flat config, but the sound match a bass oriented way. Solve is just to mess aroung a Little until is working correctly.
- Moto App Launcher still stops working along with Google. Easy workaround is just Forcing Quit, and go back home. Other workaround for me was being in the Beta testing for the Google. alongside better performance and less problems with Moto App Launcher you can use the Pixel at Glance widget.
So far what I got

Hey there, I've got a few bugs to report to the INDIAN unit of MOTO Z2 PLAY 64GB 4G
1. I've MOTO Z PLAY too and i compared both the devices after the oreo update, in Z i can change the icon shape to round, circle square etc. But it's missing in the MOTO Z2 PLAY
2. I cannot make or receive calls using JIO 4G sim even though i can use this sim on another android mobile MOTO Z and can easily make and recieve calls from there, although the internet is working fine with. MOTO Z2 PLAY
Theae are the major 2 bugs I've found till now..

My Battery life is lower.
ive never seen Batterysaver orange until I updated. Now I have to dust off my TP mod.

Hey guys i need help, i have stock oreo on my Z2. After upgrading it was giving up some issue while on lockscreen and even delay in showing up moto display. then i format my phone and it all well, then i installed greenify and gave it access via adb commands, and the passing of lockscreen again start giving issues, i revoked the greenify commands and still it is giving the same lag on passing lockscreen and drlay in moto display to appear. Can i do something other than full format and without loosing my data.

Mine's performance and battery life have actually improved. I get 6+ hours battery life throughout the day, something I never got in nougat.
The only thing I've noticed is that the screen sometimes doesn't wake up when I pick up the phone, but it's very rare and it also happened to me in Nougat.
So far so good.

victorhbm15 said:
Mine's performance and battery life have actually improved. I get 6+ hours battery life throughout the day, something I never got in nougat.
The only thing I've noticed is that the screen sometimes doesn't wake up when I pick up the phone, but it's very rare and it also happened to me in Nougat.
So far so good.
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Yeah, the battery is now amazing. First day i got 9h SOT and 20h total. With less usage I get 40 hours with 5,5h SOT! On Nougat it was like 24 hours and 6h SOT.
The only issue I have is that Moto Key force closes sometimes.
Is it normal, that gmail syncs like every 10 min. and that on Oreo this is shown in the Statusbar?

I've found the Nav Bar unresponsive, too.

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I've found the Nav Bar unresponsive, too.
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Same here, went back to FP navigation, and that's a pain with Screen protector installed....

P2P feature
P2P feature not working for YouTube or Google map or any app

I also have this issue, PiP is not working for me, there is no option in settings for this but the specific for every app, and for all of them it is active. What I have noticed is that the camera image seems to be more "dusty" like with a higher ISO this did not happened with Nougat, I have not verified image results after photographs. I also have a very impressive battery life.

I don't think this counts as a bug, but it is something that is making me crazy since I upgraded to Oreo:
-"Ok Google" detection now only works when the screen is on (if "trusted voice" is on, it will work in the lockscreen, but never when the screen is off).
The option related to "Ok Google" detection changed from "anytime" to something that indicates that the screen has to be on. I had a Moto X (2013) some time ago, and something that I loved about that device was how I could ask google to do some things even if the screen was off. I loved that about my Moto Z2 Play running Nougat, and I didn't expect it to stop working like that with the upgrade.
Does anyone know if it is possible to make it work with the screen off like before? Thanks in advance!

Thank you so much for posting this, you saved me man! I was just about to tap update before i saw this post. The only reason i bought a Moto Z2 Play in the first place is because it was one of the few phones that allowed OK Google detection while the screen is OFF. Very sad to learn they removed this feature in Oreo, though now i think i understand why everyone is reporting better battery life. In Nougat a microphone was always listening for "OK Google" and thus constantly consuming a certain amount of power. According to your post this is seems to no longer be the case.
I doubt that this will ever be addressed so i won't be upgrading to Oreo, having to approach your phone for Google Assistant to acknowledge voice commands is unacceptable, and the fact that only some flagship phones allow it is an embarrassment.

ClowReedd said:
I don't think this counts as a bug, but it is something that is making me crazy since I upgraded to Oreo:
-"Ok Google" detection now only works when the screen is on (if "trusted voice" is on, it will work in the lockscreen, but never when the screen is off).
The option related to "Ok Google" detection changed from "anytime" to something that indicates that the screen has to be on. I had a Moto X (2013) some time ago, and something that I loved about that device was how I could ask google to do some things even if the screen was off. I loved that about my Moto Z2 Play running Nougat, and I didn't expect it to stop working like that with the upgrade.
Does anyone know if it is possible to make it work with the screen off like before? Thanks in advance!
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Clear data of the Google App.
I'm on Oreo on the Z² Play and Ok Google works just fine with the screen off.

ClowReedd said:
I don't think this counts as a bug, but it is something that is making me crazy since I upgraded to Oreo:
-"Ok Google" detection now only works when the screen is on (if "trusted voice" is on, it will work in the lockscreen, but never when the screen is off).
The option related to "Ok Google" detection changed from "anytime" to something that indicates that the screen has to be on. I had a Moto X (2013) some time ago, and something that I loved about that device was how I could ask google to do some things even if the screen was off. I loved that about my Moto Z2 Play running Nougat, and I didn't expect it to stop working like that with the upgrade.
Does anyone know if it is possible to make it work with the screen off like before? Thanks in advance!
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Also turn it on as a "Trust Agent" in settings-->security, if you have a screenlock.
You'll also find Moto Voice's Screen unLock activation there. if you use it.

I am scared of upgrading to Oreo since i have no sure way of knowing if i my phone will lose the ability to recognize "OK Google" when the screen is off. If i suffer the same fate as ClowReedd there would be no way for me to roll back and i would lose the functionality i bought this phone for in the first place. Motorola support is incapable of understanding the difference between a phone that can be unlocked with "OK Google" when the screen is completely off and a phone that can achieve the same only when you manually push the power button so you can see the lock screen. But to be fair there is no company in the world whose support is capable of understanding this, i had an extremely difficult time selecting a phone to purchase because of this. Multiple Samsung employees for example would either claim a certain Samsung model that i know has this capability doesn't have it, or claim that a phone that i know doesn't does. Google is also of no help, i have tried to find a list of phones with this capability and got nowhere. Most flagships have it( though some do not), but most midrange phones do not. Which is the only reason i bought a Moto Z2 Play.
Hopefully ClowReedd will respond whether or not clearing the Google app data fixes the issue, since if it doesn't nothing can be done. Google provides absolutely no support for it's assistant other than copy pasted responses online from what i have to assume are bots.

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I am scared of upgrading to Oreo since i have no sure way of knowing if i my phone will lose the ability to recognize "OK Google" when the screen is off. If i suffer the same fate as ClowReedd there would be no way for me to roll back and i would lose the functionality i bought this phone for in the first place. Motorola support is incapable of understanding the difference between a phone that can be unlocked with "OK Google" when the screen is completely off and a phone that can achieve the same only when you manually push the power button so you can see the lock screen. But to be fair there is no company in the world whose support is capable of understanding this, i had an extremely difficult time selecting a phone to purchase because of this. Multiple Samsung employees for example would either claim a certain Samsung model that i know has this capability doesn't have it, or claim that a phone that i know doesn't does. Google is also of no help, i have tried to find a list of phones with this capability and got nowhere. Most flagships have it( though some do not), but most midrange phones do not. Which is the only reason i bought a Moto Z2 Play.
Hopefully ClowReedd will respond whether or not clearing the Google app data fixes the issue, since if it doesn't nothing can be done. Google provides absolutely no support for it's assistant other than copy pasted responses online from what i have to assume are bots.
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Exactly how many people have reported such an issue? If it was common, Motorola would probably know exactly what you are talking about. Have you searched the MZ²P forums? how many posts have you found?
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The ability for Google Now, to unlock phone and carry out tasks/commands. Is the User Agent, as I posted above.

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Exactly how many people have reported such an issue? If it was common, Motorola would probably know exactly what you are talking about. Have you searched the MZ²P forums? how many posts have you found?
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The ability for Google Now, to unlock phone and carry out tasks/commands. Is the User Agent, as I posted above.
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Well we already have 1 report in this thread, and it is not hard to imagine that a detail like this would go unreported since i am not even sure if it is a bug. Also a lot of people including yourself don't even know the difference between Google Assistant(i am guessing that is what you mean by Google Now) being able to unlock the phone and being able to wake and then unlock the phone when the screen is completely off.
Most people do not care one way or the other which is why this change could easily go unreported, assuming it is indeed a bug and not just an intentional change to conserve battery life.

XDANooby said:
Well we already have 1 report in this thread, and it is not hard to imagine that a detail like this would go unreported since i am not even sure if it is a bug. Also a lot of people including yourself don't even know the difference between Google Assistant(i am guessing that is what you mean by Google Now) being able to unlock the phone and being able to wake and then unlock the phone when the screen is completely off.
Most people do not care one way or the other which is why this change could easily go unreported, assuming it is indeed a bug and not just an intentional change to conserve battery life.
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if you look hard enough, you'll find ONE person who's phone exploded.
These forums are for solving problems, not to alleviate your FEARS.
Many things MIGHT happen, there is no point clogging up the threads listing all of them.
If you have a problem, let's solve it,. If you are worried your phone will attract lightning ?, there's no helping you.
Handsfree is important to me, since the 2013 Moto X, (I've had many Moto phones since), It's an invaluable function when phone is lost in the couch cushions.
You are thinking too hard, and making assumptions, I know exactly what you are talking about. Waking the phone and unlocking it are lumped together, what good is a feature that wakes the phone but doesn't unlock it (it can be optionally restricted), likewise what good is handsfree activation, if it can't wake the phone? it seems redundant to spell that out!
Google Now, was the original name for the Google Assistant, phased out last year, let's not nitpick.
BTW: it's fairly easy to go back to Nougat, should you desire it.

Regarding Picture in Picture mode, particularly for Youtube - this is a limitation that Google has put in place that only USA users can access, unless you purchase Youtube Premium. Can confirm PIP works with VLC media player. Netflix only has PIP with 8.1

app closing and battery saver [Umidigi F1]

So I like the big battery in this phone, but I hate that when I open an app, and it loads (facebook for example), then I get an incoming email, so I tap the notification to open and read my email, the phone closes/ends my fb app. When I go back to fb, it re-launches the app all over again. It's annoying when I'm in the middle of something, and it'll force-close and lose everything I was typing. I've enabled dev options, and see an option in there for apps "Don't keep activities" (destroy every activity as soon as the user leaves it) which sounds like exactly what is happening, but this option is disabled. I've disabled every possible battery saver option I can find.
Anyone know where else to look? You wouldn't think it'd be a big thing, but it's really annoying having to spend extra time re-launching every single app as opposed to just switching between them already launched.
Thanks in advance!

radi0chik said:
So I like the big battery in this phone, but I hate that when I open an app, and it loads (facebook for example), then I get an incoming email, so I tap the notification to open and read my email, the phone closes/ends my fb app. When I go back to fb, it re-launches the app all over again. It's annoying when I'm in the middle of something, and it'll force-close and lose everything I was typing. I've enabled dev options, and see an option in there for apps "Don't keep activities" (destroy every activity as soon as the user leaves it) which sounds like exactly what is happening, but this option is disabled. I've disabled every possible battery saver option I can find.
Anyone know where else to look? You wouldn't think it'd be a big thing, but it's really annoying having to spend extra time re-launching every single app as opposed to just switching between them already launched.
Thanks in advance!
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I am using Ruthless Pixel launcher, from here xda, and I haven't got this problem. May be you have to disable the DuraSpeed from Settings.
Bye!

I tried a different launcher. I'll try the one you use. I've even had problems with the launcher having to "restart" and when I go back to the homescreen, it takes several seconds for that to load.

same problem here, every battery saver option disabeled, duraspeed off, and everything that i need to to i did in the developer options, but literally every app reboots after i switch to an other. any news on how to get rid of it?

I've switched between several different launchers. This isn't a launcher problem. It's a phone software problem.

radi0chik said:
So I like the big battery in this phone, but I hate that when I open an app, and it loads (facebook for example), then I get an incoming email, so I tap the notification to open and read my email, the phone closes/ends my fb app. When I go back to fb, it re-launches the app all over again. It's annoying when I'm in the middle of something, and it'll force-close and lose everything I was typing. I've enabled dev options, and see an option in there for apps "Don't keep activities" (destroy every activity as soon as the user leaves it) which sounds like exactly what is happening, but this option is disabled. I've disabled every possible battery saver option I can find.
Anyone know where else to look? You wouldn't think it'd be a big thing, but it's really annoying having to spend extra time re-launching every single app as opposed to just switching between them already launched.
Thanks in advance!
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I'm running Nova Launcher and see what you're talking about...if you leave a Facebook post you're working on open, then go to research something else, even though the draft post is there on screen when you scroll for it, the post will close and re-open before you can edit it again, wiping out the draft. A bug that needs to be fixed, indeed. The weirder thing is, after looking at it some more, is that it isn't easy to consistently replicate. Weird, indeed.

TVCCS said:
I'm running Nova Launcher and see what you're talking about...if you leave a Facebook post you're working on open, then go to research something else, even though the draft post is there on screen when you scroll for it, the post will close and re-open before you can edit it again, wiping out the draft. A bug that needs to be fixed, indeed. The weirder thing is, after looking at it some more, is that it isn't easy to consistently replicate. Weird, indeed.
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So I packaged my phone up last night and shipped it back this morning. But a buddy of mine MAY have figured out how to make it work. Go to Duraspeed and ENABLE it. Then ENABLE the apps (or all apps) that you want to STAY ALIVE in the background. See if that allows them to all run, yeah, like making a fb post type thing. Report back. I may have to go buy it again!

I have ZimLX and no issue with background apps.

radi0chik said:
So I packaged my phone up last night and shipped it back this morning. But a buddy of mine MAY have figured out how to make it work. Go to Duraspeed and ENABLE it. Then ENABLE the apps (or all apps) that you want to STAY ALIVE in the background. See if that allows them to all run, yeah, like making a fb post type thing. Report back. I may have to go buy it again!
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That only helps a little bit, if you switch between tw games, or a game than check facebook and then whatzapp, the game resets. Also if you like switch to 3 different apps, they usually reset and get force closed from the systhem.
Also if you turn on duraspeed, youtube vanced gets forceclosed, even when it is allowed in duraspeed.
So what i do right now is enable duraspeed and the app that i want and whenever i wanna hear music in the background, i have to disable duraspeed.
Also, it is a real dealbreaker right now, it´s just way to buggy.
it seems like they programmed a way too harsh task kille in on purpose to give a longe battery life.
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monoculero said:
I am using Ruthless Pixel launcher, from here xda, and I haven't got this problem. May be you have to disable the DuraSpeed from Settings.
Bye!
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Not true, everyone has these problems nomather what launcher, it is a software problem.
Usually everyone has tryed to disable duraspeed of course and whatnot.

This problem/bug is really annoying. It makes me hate the phone to be honest.
How/who do we report this too?

Try here - https://community.umidigi.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=210
From what I've seen, Umidigi employees monitor and are active in their Forums, so hopefully someone will pay attention.

I have ZimXL and no issues with background apps closing. Are you on the latest ROM?

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I have ZimXL and no issues with background apps closing. Are you on the latest ROM?
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obviously we habe the lastest rom and every user has that problem it is a rom problem.
Also, what is a zim xl, google gives nothing about that.

I had a few apps do screwy things with the powersaver on , and it would be a few. Kroger app would crash and would not work until you uninstall and reinstall it. Att Uverse app, when you login it give a message about allow permissions, it had all, anything that need the gps. if I turn off the power saver I do not have those issues.

crystalpepe said:
obviously we habe the lastest rom and every user has that problem it is a rom problem.
Also, what is a zim xl, google gives nothing about that.
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[Edit]Actually this doesn't work well. A couple posts down is my fix that works.
I logged in after a while to post this! This is a reply to you and op and anyone else having this "problem". Thanks to this forum post, I found a solution. I think it's an ingenious design they created. If you want every app to run in the background, *enable Duraspeed and enable all apps* in the top right corner. Then, *Reboot your phone*.
After you do this, the phone will magically be as fast as it should again. It's like I rebought a phone 100x better then what I was using .
The ingenious part of it is, if you don't want certain apps running in the background then Disable them! (you'll probably have to reboot for any change to be applied)
I love this design and I am now back in love with my Umidigi F1 , hope this helps everyone.

i sold it like 3 months ago and fixed a broken note 9 for cheap. my friend who owns the f1 since then still has this issue even when he tried your fix.
also another friend who owns a f1 play has this issue since the last update he had, he even newly installed / whiped it and so on, seems like umidigi just has problems with theis software and also it seems like it only affects a few people.

crystalpepe said:
i sold it like 3 months ago and fixed a broken note 9 for cheap. my friend who owns the f1 since then still has this issue even when he tried your fix.
also another friend who owns a f1 play has this issue since the last update he had, he even newly installed / whiped it and so on, seems like umidigi just has problems with theis software and also it seems like it only affects a few people.
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Hello, I agree. The fix wasn't 100%.
So here is the official fix, and once again it makes sense. (You might have to enable developer mode)
Go to your apps/notifications in settings, select an app, under the app click advanced, Battery, then battery Optimizations. Under that page go through your apps and disable optimizations for apps you want to stay on in the background.
Found this out and it works.
Actually figured it out once I read your post
If it doesn't work, reboot your phone.
Still doesn't work, do this along with duraspeed on the selected apps.
Still doesn't work, might just be the app. (Some of my games still don't stay in memory)
It's working good for me now, but if I wanted more apps to stay open I'd check developer settings and turn Max apps to keep in memory to the highest amount.
and I agree, it's a bit unpolished. Probably something to do with their battery optimizations and Android's not being compatable.

Tried several methods and nothing truly works. Your best bet is to flash a GSI/rom. Or just root the phone and install "ram fix by cork" magisk mod. I'm using the latter method and it works fine.

Yep the software itself has far too aggressive memory management despite it having 4Gb of RAM and kills apps far too quickly.
I complained about it to UMIDIGI support and they said go buy an F2.
What i did was used this forum to install Lineage OS and now have no memory issues

Either install a GSI (I suggest LOSQ) or download RAM Management Fix by Crock if you can find it, it's not in Magisk anymore.

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