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I'm going to try to keep this post updated, as long as useful info arrives to help others know what to do!
Do we have a list of apps that can be frozen using TB or similar? I'm not sure if TB is working to freeze apps, it does backup, says it freezes them but when I select filters/frozen there is only one app listed.
This ISN'T my Transformer Prime
Backing up an app only backs it up - it doesn't freeze it, uninstall it, or anything else. To freeze an app, long press the app and choose freeze. Be careful what you freeze - if you're going to freeze a system app, definitely make a nandroid first!
you might want to research more as we already have threads on this fully matured already.
like the other guy said,beware of what you freeze. but honestly, no need to freeze anything. the apps that come with prime can hardly be called bloatware. this isn't like a phone where the carrier loads it with b.s. I still have all stocks apps in ly prime and its super fast n smooth. even more so than my Ipad. freezing or deleting system apps n stock apps always lead to problems. Always! especially with OTA updates. it always break ability to receive over the air updates. so don't fall into the trap like many others who blindly rooted then started deleting and freezing this and that and fun into major problems. patience is key into learning exactly what you doing and the effects it could have on your device.
I see too many people blindly root or unlock device then brick it and wonder why..lmfao then come in here screaming for help. then get scolded on fact that they didn't research first. good luck!
Most of the preinstalled apps can also be disabled with the standard app manager. This should prevent any conflicts with future OTAs.
I have two questions:
1. For rarely used apps, is it better to freeze them with Titanium Backup, or uninstall them and only install them when needed?
For example, I have an electrical amperage calculator that I use every once in a rare while. When I'm working on a project where I need those calculations quickly, it's very handy to have an app for that. But there can be months at a time when I never open it. What is the best way to manage that app when it's not being used? What if it's a little bit of a bloaty or questionable developer app? (Potentially starting up on boot or something) - does this change my treatment of it?
2. I use (and love) Hyperdrive for my rom. In the installer, there are some apps like, Google Maps or Gmail, and file managers and things like that. What is the benefit to installing apps that can be installed via the Play store through the rom installer? My gut instinct would say that installing it via the rom leaves more possibility for there to be problems. If I install an app via the Play store, I can easily uninstall it. But apps are something that I see offered with quite a few roms. Why?
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I have two questions:
1. For rarely used apps, is it better to freeze them with Titanium Backup, or uninstall them and only install them when needed?
For example, I have an electrical amperage calculator that I use every once in a rare while. When I'm working on a project where I need those calculations quickly, it's very handy to have an app for that. But there can be months at a time when I never open it. What is the best way to manage that app when it's not being used? What if it's a little bit of a bloaty or questionable developer app? (Potentially starting up on boot or something) - does this change my treatment of it?
2. I use (and love) Hyperdrive for my rom. In the installer, there are some apps like, Google Maps or Gmail, and file managers and things like that. What is the benefit to installing apps that can be installed via the Play store through the rom installer? My gut instinct would say that installing it via the rom leaves more possibility for there to be problems. If I install an app via the Play store, I can easily uninstall it. But apps are something that I see offered with quite a few roms. Why?
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uberpippi said:
I have two questions:
1. For rarely used apps, is it better to freeze them with Titanium Backup, or uninstall them and only install them when needed?
For example, I have an electrical amperage calculator that I use every once in a rare while. When I'm working on a project where I need those calculations quickly, it's very handy to have an app for that. But there can be months at a time when I never open it. What is the best way to manage that app when it's not being used? What if it's a little bit of a bloaty or questionable developer app? (Potentially starting up on boot or something) - does this change my treatment of it?
2. I use (and love) Hyperdrive for my rom. In the installer, there are some apps like, Google Maps or Gmail, and file managers and things like that. What is the benefit to installing apps that can be installed via the Play store through the rom installer? My gut instinct would say that installing it via the rom leaves more possibility for there to be problems. If I install an app via the Play store, I can easily uninstall it. But apps are something that I see offered with quite a few roms. Why?
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uberpippi said:
I have two questions:
1. For rarely used apps, is it better to freeze them with Titanium Backup, or uninstall them and only install them when needed?
For example, I have an electrical amperage calculator that I use every once in a rare while. When I'm working on a project where I need those calculations quickly, it's very handy to have an app for that. But there can be months at a time when I never open it. What is the best way to manage that app when it's not being used? What if it's a little bit of a bloaty or questionable developer app? (Potentially starting up on boot or something) - does this change my treatment of it?
2. I use (and love) Hyperdrive for my rom. In the installer, there are some apps like, Google Maps or Gmail, and file managers and things like that. What is the benefit to installing apps that can be installed via the Play store through the rom installer? My gut instinct would say that installing it via the rom leaves more possibility for there to be problems. If I install an app via the Play store, I can easily uninstall it. But apps are something that I see offered with quite a few roms. Why?
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1. Well, if you have the space to spare then obviously freezing would be more convenient than having to go to the Play Store every time you want to re-install it... however I highly doubt that an app like that would run on boot or hog any resources while not in use, so why not just leave it there? Another option if you need space on your phone storage would be to do a backup of any apps you don't use (backups will save to the sd card) and simply restore them when needed. There are ways to find out what apps are hogging resources when not in use, but I don't know off hand so you'll have to do your own search for that info.
2. This is just a matter of convenience as well... the rom developer is simply making your life easier by including popular apps right off the bat saving you the hassle of going to the Play Store to install them one by one. If you feel more comfortable going to the Play Store anyway... well then do so. It's the same apps either way so there's really no difference.
Hi Guys
I have a quick question - How do i remove system apps on the Tab S3.
Everytime i go to remove and app thru Tit Backup - It restores it after reboot.
Rooted with SuperSU - Id like to uninstall Knox etc but cant?
I had this on the S8 - Is this to do with the Kernel needing to be permissive? Any help would be welcome.
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Hi Guys
I have a quick question - How do i remove system apps on the Tab S3.
Everytime i go to remove and app thru Tit Backup - It restores it after reboot.
Rooted with SuperSU - Id like to uninstall Knox etc but cant?
I had this on the S8 - Is this to do with the Kernel needing to be permissive? Any help would be welcome.
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I think you have no R/W access to the system. Did you flash the no-verity-opt-encrypt patch when rooting? Download root essentials from the play store. There you have the option to mount system R/W. After enabling that removing the system apps should work.
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Thanks... Completely slipped my mind about the RW access
I'll give it a go
Nope didnt work - Trying to delete anything of the system partition doesnt go anywhere
Solution I found for my Galaxy S7 was to use /system/app mover available from F-Droid.Org
Move apps first to be User apps, reboot and you can uninstall them.
Judging by the number of Thanks on this thread, I can see that problems with apps have been an issue with rooted Tab S3s for quite some time.
The problems I am having are actually the reverse, however; whenever I delete system apps my device becomes all but soft-bricked (Android strips me of many user privileges).
Makes me sick for a device I paid $500 for and own.
Now this is for a recent root "professionally" performed just the other day by OneClickRoot using Magisk.
Having said that, I would suggest that anyone having difficulty removing apps really doesn't want to experience the consequences of what happens when you do.
So far OneClickRoot has been MIA as far as providing assistance for an improperly performed root that voided my warranty and which I cannot use.
But what they do not know (yet) is that I screen recorded the sessions while they had remote access to my PC and were rooting my device. I haven't yet investigated whether there are newer files they could have used, but I do know that I was prompted to update Magisk on my device almost immediately afterward.
It does seem clear that Android came out with some kind of a patch that thwarted the plan. And it was seriously harrowing.
Anyway, with the guidance of the screen recordings I was able to do some experimenting with app removal and unroot/reroot at my leisure.
It didn't take much in the way of app removal to throw the system into a state of angst like I've never seen (I rooted my Galaxy S3 phone a long time ago on my own and it went peacefully and without incident). I never once touched [removed] a single core system file on this S3 tablet (of course, that may be understating it; apps like Chrome could be considered to contain core system files - after all, it is an Android). I also did not remove Google Play Services or Google Play because I kinda had a hunch.
Incidentally, I used ES File Explorer to remove the apps. A decent reputation with Google. Downloaded with Yalp Store. (After removing the apps, some time later I went back to the root section of ES and got a notification that said "Sorry. That feature is not available on this device.")
At the moment I am back in re-rooted state and experimenting with an app disabler/freezer. So far so good. It's interesting to see what I haven't been able to disable - Chrome being one of them. The others (Music, Movies, Maps, Hangouts, OneDrive, etc. were disabled without incident). I'm wondering if this experiment is demonstrating which apps I can safely remove with the root.
Oh, I disabled Google Text-to-Speech and once in a while I get a feeble notification alerting me that it has stopped which is fine by me. I'm sick of them stalking me all over the Internet let alone logging my every keystroke.
Anyway, that's my story and the current forecast where uprooting is concerned.
I looked at oneClickRoot. It wants access to all your accounts. Why does it need that? That scares me. I also don't see how it would root your device without tripping Knox. Maybe it doesn't, I don't know.
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I looked at oneClickRoot. It wants access to all your accounts. Why does it need that? That scares me. I also don't see how it would root your device without tripping Knox. Maybe it doesn't, I don't know.
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JD, sometimes roots trip Knox and sometimes they don't. They didn't advise me of that either way.
I'm not sure why they want access to all your accounts. Maybe it's just because a root requires total access to your device.
There's nothing you don't see while they are performing the root so I don't think it's much to be concerned about.
Picking up where I left off with my original post, I soon discovered Terminal Debloater developed by Magisk (a means of removing apps systemless-ly!).
OneClickRoot didn't advise me of that method (and still hasn't gotten back with me, incidentally). Of course, they do make money selling extended support packages (and it's worth noting that they didn't flash TWRP to my device either).
I thought if Terminal Debloater didn't do it nothing would. And it didn't work, even though I didn't uninstall Google, Google Play Services or Google Play.
I mean, it got rid of the apps just like ES File Explorer did, but my device once again became nearly unusable (unable to open Google Play Store or Amazon Appstore among other features of my device). But systemless-ly? Not so sure about that.
Resetting the device remedied the problem(s) and reinstalled everything without requiring a re-root (minus 3rd party apps that I already had installed, of course). I had forgotten about the previous backup that I had performed with Titanium Backup but it was like 4am and I was getting foggy, you know - there have been a lot of late nights lately. My device was still rooted after the reset and I was able to reinstall Magisk Manager with an .apk (Google Play Store banished it). Maybe that's what they meant by systemless uninstall - the relative ease of reinstall.
So I think that after all of this experimentation it is fair to say that unless you have goals other than uninstalling meaningless stuff like that withTV app it isn't going to work out. And for an app freezer/disabler to work properly you need a root. And an app/freezer disabler won't disable them all. I still have a lot of Google apps it won't disable like Gmail, Chrome, Photos, Movies & TV and Google Play Music (although I realize most people aren't interested in disabling Google apps). I could probably safely remove YouTube, Maps and Drive (I was only able to partially able freeze the former but I was able to fully freeze the latter). There are others I could probably uninstall too - OneDrive, other Microsoft apps, Weather, etc. - it would just seem pointless though since they are already frozen. So maybe freezing is a good enough reason to root for those who only want minimal removal of apps and still want Google where the sun doesn't shine.
Anything that can be frozen can probably be safely removed with the root but I haven't experimented with that. It might require a 4th reset and/or reroot. But you will never have total freedom to do what you want.
As far as OneClickRoot, it is fortunate that I paid with PayPal because I am going to file a claim based on many factors. They asked me why I was rooting my device and I told them I was going to remove apps. They didn't advise me on that either way. They didn't tell me that the root would trip Knox. It says on their Galaxy Tab S3 page, "After the rooting process is completed and done, you may start installing carrier-blocked applications" "you may positively eliminate preinstalled crapware" and "Remember that after rooting, you are the administrator of your own phone so have the freedom to do anything you want with your phone." If they made the mistake of referring to a phone on their tablet page then that's their bad. I do not yet qualify to post links on this forum, but you can find the page by using DuckDuckGo to search "Galaxy S3 Tab OneClickRoot" and it's the first search result).
I paid them $60 total to root my device; the first time I thought I removed too many apps and that it was my fault so I paid them an additional $20 to re-root it. Turns out it really wasn't my fault at all because with the 2nd root I uninstalled even fewer apps than the first time (and like I said before, never any core system apps or even any major android apps like Google Play Services). I figured out how to unroot it on my own (with firmware files from SamMobile and flashed with Odin) and then screen recorded the 2nd root.
At the end of the day I'm not sure it's really worth it to root just to remove a few apps and void your warranty if you're still covered (I have only owned my device for just over a week).
But then, not everyone has the same objectives I do. I am completely crazy serious when it comes to my privacy. One might ask why I even purchased this device and it's because it affords customizations that Apple doesn't (or so I thought). But I can still run Linux. And, of course, I have no intent of setting up a Samsung account or a real Google account. I bought a cheap sim card from TracFone to use with my old S3 phone to set up a fake Google account (because of course you have to have a phone to register a Google account). My TracFone account is under a fake name, my phone number has a Chicago area code (I live across the country), my Google account will be under a fake name and I use a paid VPN on my device(s) using a Chicago IP address. They deserve it.
All just so I can get a few paid - but important - apps. If it weren't for that, Google account be damned. I sold my black little soul to Amazon a long time ago but their selections are limited.
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Oh, and for those who aren't rooted and simply want to uninstall system apps for more space, you can force 3rd party apps to SD by enabling that feature in Developer Options.
Go to Settings > About tablet > Model number > Software information
Click on Build number 7 times. That will activate Developer Options which you will then find at the bottom of the column on the left side.
Click on Developer Options and scroll way down to Force Allow Apps on External.
Then scroll up to Running Services and observe what's going on behind the scenes. Especially if you have denied (and even frozen) location permissions, deactivated bluetooth, limited background processes to "none" and deactivated automatic updates. They will grab at ANYTHING - your bluetooth, phone, etc. You can stop the processes but they still keep coming back. It's fun to give them an occasional punt anyway.
I did manage to finally disable blutooth but that *had* to be frozen. Disabling in settings wasn't good enough. Google Location Service cannot be stopped ever.
I should set up the fake Google account on my S3 phone with the Chicago IP address and then play Ingress in my real neighborhood just to taunt them.
Blue team!!!!
You do know there is a root method by ashyx in the development section, right. Also, I'd just freeze apps with tibu. That way if your system starts to freeze you can just unfreeze them.
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You do know there is a root method by ashyx in the development section, right. Also, I'd just freeze apps with tibu. That way if your system starts to freeze you can just unfreeze them.
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Hi JD.
No, I didn't know about ashyx. Thanks for that though. I might end up looking into it. I'm wondering if a root is just a root, though? There are a couple of apps that have given me errors that said "Your SU binary is functional but might not work reliably on some Android 4.3+ ROMs. If you encounter any issues in TB, please try SuperSU instead." I got that error from Titanium Backup today and I think also from Malwarebytes the other day.
So I'm wondering if uninstalling Magisk and installing SuperSU instead might make a difference.
I reallly have no clue. I'm going to try it though. As a last resort I will probably try re-rooting. Have you used ashyx? If so, were you able to remove apps without a hassle?
Also, is that your Porsche? Nice . . . . . if you're in Minnesota, bet you can't wait until June lol.
I'm from the Midwest orignally - I guess it was kind of a rough winter, no? I know last winter was.
You'll get the same message with supersu as magisk in TB. It's not an issue. And, yes, I use @ashyx method for root. It's worked for all firmwares so far, but I'm almost sure it won't (twrp) if Samsung ever gives us Oreo. But I have confidence in ashyx that he'll modify it so it will, he's the man!
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You'll get the same message with supersu as magisk in TB. It's not an issue. And, yes, I use @ashyx method for root. It's worked for all firmwares so far, but I'm almost sure it won't (twrp) if Samsung ever gives us Oreo. But I have confidence in ashyx that he'll modify it so it will, he's the man!
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Hi JD. Long time no see. Or so it seems.
My head has actually been far removed from the Tab this past week. I actually had my S7 rooted just a couple of days before the Tab and so I have been juggling both devices. I think I'm about to pop a blood vessel. I honestly would have rooted them myself but there was just too much scattered information and since I was dealing with two devices I had OCR do it.
But anyway, I haven't been much invested in the Tab over the past several days. I broke a few too many green antennae again and bricked my S7 for the third time. Whenever I have fresh firmware flashed to my device I get those uninstall apps and become possessed. At least I can reinstall the firmware and re-root on my own now.
Things sure have changed since the S3 (phone) and the Galaxy Tab Pro (which was introduced before app permissions became an option). I never did root that device. I guess that's about 4 years old now.
I do believe my S7 was rooted with the ashyx method. I saw a file or something somewhere. It is easier to remove system files on that device but more complicated as there are so many more of them being a phone and all.
As far as Oreo . . . . .ugh. Something about the potential for crush injuries doesn't seem really appealing. I can imagine the "system" is only going to become more oppressive and Google more invasive. Right now I'm still trying to figure out wtf Nougat is.
Besides, Nougat will be a good OS for a long, long time. The OS on my S3 phone [Lollipop?] is still adequate. And developers are still trying to perfect apps for rooted Nougat OS's. A lot of stuff is still buggy.
I'm not *quite* as fanatical about privacy on my S7 since my phone number was tied to my Google account long before I decided to stop being lazy about privacy issues. But once I get the paid apps I need I immediately freeze Google Play Services and Google Play Store. And before I use the store I remove my SD card before they can rape my app settings and data. And, of course, I pay for a Google Play gift card with cash. It's extremely difficult going to these extremes but I am still new at it on my devices so it will just take time to adjust. I went through the same grief with my PCs but it's all good now. My banks and creditors no longer hassle me when I use private browsing and a VPN when I log in. Google will never give in though. Ever. And that really is something scary.
I actually did acquire Windows 10 Enterprise for both of my PCs after many fruitless and failed attempts at tweaking my registry. Now I have full access to Group Policy Editor and live in relative privacy [and peace] where Microsoft is concerned. Wish android had a Group Policy Editor.
Anyway, as far as where I left off with app uninstalls on my Tab, I had only just flashed the stock firmware on that before I bricked my S7 so there are still what I call "secondary" Google apps like Maps, Gmail, Movies & TV, etc. Those are frozen, however. It still might be a couple of days before I get to uninstalling those but I will update. I have no life. I need to come up for air lol. It is important to me to post about this experience; I guess I feel somewhat like an activist in a sense. Google just runs roughshod over everything and everyone like they OWN, you know? And they don't. They don't own me, or you, or our devices. And so this is for people - not "advertising IDs" - who feel similarly and don't want Google invading their devices and private information.
Umm . . . . I know there are a lot of individuals who want to root their Tab S3s and I may at some point post instructions on how to do that using Magisk (it really is simple) but right now I just feel that it would be unethical to do so until I can figure out which apps are truly safe to remove without bricking. And, of course, I can post instructions on how to flash the stock firmware as well.
Thanks for the info about the messages, btw. Still trying to figure out how to disable those. There has to be an .obb tweak somewhere for that. As I recall, the primary reason I rooted my S3 (phone) to begin with was to disable the shutter sound on my camera! And that required an .obb tweak. For the life of me I can't remember what app I used to accomplish that.
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When I get a message telling me that something I don't want has stopped working, it would at least be nice to see a bow on top of that bubble with some streamers and balloons in the background.
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The Battle Of Jorte.
The night before last I was making some tweaks to my S7. I had just finished up purchasing some apps I needed from the Play Store and had refrozen that app and Google Play Services. Some time before I had previously installed a day-planning type app called Jorte.
All of a sudden I started getting notifications in my notification area that said "Jorte will not run unless you enable Google Play Services." I tolerated this for a while and then finally thought, "Ok, well, I'll just uninstall Jorte and that will put an end to that." (I didn't really want Jorte anymore - I had installed it along with a couple of other day-planning apps I was making comparisons with and had decided on a different one - one that wasn't "dependent" on Google Play Services.)
So I uninstalled Jorte and realized that there was another app that I forgot to purchase. When I went back into Application Manager to reactivate Google Play Services and Google Play Store they were gone! Well! I wasn't sure if that was a good or a bad thing. I opened my App disabler app and sure enough - they were still installed on my phone, just hidden. How trite! How petty! I was furious.
I decided at that point that I had all the paid apps I needed.
One would THINK that an ETHICAL company without nefarious intentions would take the position that if an individual isn't using their services that they would be more than HAPPY that they be disabled especially if they are "FREE". After all, why waste resources?? To whose benefit is it to leave Google Play Services running in the background when it isn't needed?
I did something then that hadn't yet dawned on me. I have an app disabler that allows one to disable all of the services associated with that app (specifically Google Play Services). Uninstalling "GPS" bricked my device before so that wasn't an option. So I went offline and disabled my mobile data (also something I hadn't done before) and went into the app disabler (which I will not name [yet]) and started disabling everything with the word "sync", "collection", forwarding", "uploading", "geolocation", "account", "transfer", "advertiser", "notification", "analytics", "indexing", "listener", "secret", "logger", "metadata", "reporter", "credentials", "metrics", "watcher", "sharing", "monitor", "phenotype?!", "detection", "stats", "supervision", "VACUUM". . . .amongst several others. (Are you guys getting alarmed yet?.) Out of 276 services I disabled 105. I had to disable them one by one because the app would stop each and every time.
I also disabled 4 out of 6 services belonging to Google Services Framework (which were all that the app disabler were able to freeze).
All of these actions effectively disabled Google from running on my device as observed from Running Services in Developer Options (that, of course, combined with disabling/uninstalling Samsung apps and associated services). Staying offline and disabling mobile data prevented my actions during this process from being reported (and interfered with).
So far over the past couple of days all has been quiet. No more '"________ will not run without Google Play Services" or "________ has stopped" notifications, no more Google running in the background and helping itself to my data like a smorgasbord.
I attempted to apply these same settings to my Tab S3 and it didn't fly. I had to disable ALL of the subservices associated with Google Play Services and I also uninstalled Google Services Framework entirely.
That debacle is for a different post.
I want to add that most any app can be uninstalled on the Tab S3 once the disabling of Samsung, Google Play Services and Google Play is achieved. Prior to this, for whatever reason I had a great deal of difficulty uninstalling Chrome and Google Play Music. If you think really, really hard in advance about all of the paid apps that you want that are critical to your root and whatever other paid apps you want, you can install them and ditch Google Play Services. They got their money and earned what they deserved. There is no reason to keep Google services continuously running in the background. You can get top notch apps that don't depend on them. I have My Backup Pro, Servicely, SD Maid, an APK extractor, a couple of really good disablers/uninstallers, ES File Explorer, Root Explorer, etc. Really consider your privacy - your data is important. Would you let a stranger rifle through drawers at your house? Even if Google has been collecting your data for years, all hope is not lost. You have many years ahead of you. Most of the data they have collected becomes obsolete over time and they don't need to keep collecting it. There are many, many apps that are not dependent on Google Play Services. There's an app called F-Droid that has an .apk installation file that can be directly downloaded from the Internet and which offers LOTS of great apps. They have an app called Yalp Store that shows you which apps Google Play Store offers that don't depend on Google Play Services and you can filter those results. You can even download and install them manually. The developers of F-Droid are privacy-conscious and all of the apps that they offer are geared with that in mind.
I paid a lot of money for my devices - what, $1300 overall? The manufacturers are not entitled to more than that, especially if I have paid for additional apps. I do have a dummy YouTube account - I consider it free cloud storage for my videos in exchange for the the data they have stolen from me over the years (I've got some cool videos, too - I'd link to my channel but it would blow my cover).
To achieve all of this you will need to start fresh - uninstall your apps, remove your SD card, clean your device really well, wipe your device and close your Samsung account. You don't need a Samsung account to run your device. You can decline both Samsung and Google services at setup but all of those choices are meaningless because they take what they want anyway.
There may be a few sacrifices that may be a dealbreaker to some such as Facebook, but there are a few apps that work around that limitation such as Tinfoil for Facebook. You may also be able to log into Facebook using a privacy web browser. I have Firefox on my devices using a VPN, Privacy Browsing and multiple privacy plugins and it works just fine for every website I have visited (I can't speak for Facebook, though, because I don't use it (not for privacy reasons, though - I have unresolved mixed feelings about it). It should be fine to use with a web browser although some websites do badger you to use their app. You can try it though before uninstalling the Facebook app and see how it goes. Granted it won't be as convenient but you can bookmark it and still have access. Twitter is dependent on Google Play. As I was writing this paragraph I just found a highly rated app called Metal for Facebook & Twitter which isn't dependent on Google and which allows you to access both of them. No ads, gets you notifications from Facebook, supports Orbot/Tor, etc. Sounds excellent.
So there's some stuff to consider.
Between both of my devices I had become really mentally/emotionally stressed and exhausted and had a short but intense cry yesterday. I would have benefited from a longer one.
Last night I woke up to discover that Google had added another hundred or so services to the Google Play Services app on my S7 which brought the number up to 300+. (As an aside, the same thing happened on my Tab S3 several days ago.) I'm not sure if I had wi-fi or mobile data turned on when it happened or both - I had been turning them both on and off intermittently throughout the day. All I can think is that Verizon must have been sharing data. It happened on the S3 for a different reason and I caught that while it was happening.
I thought that I was using Verizon simply for a signal. I don't use their cloud and I don't sync any data to their servers in any other manner. Come to discover there were a couple of settings I overlooked.
Google and Verizon are in bed together - I did discover that much. I really did want to maintain a location with Verizon so I could at least locate my device if I were ever to lose it; they charge enough and I can be incredibly absentminded at times, like using the calculator on my phone while shopping, lying it down on a shelf when picking something up and walking away. But when I went to Verizon's website to see if they offered such a service I was redirected straight to Google. They're kidding, right?
Google is so unbelievably insidious. You really don't know until you try to escape.
I'm a quiet, introverted person - all I want is my privacy, my freakin' Kindle app and a few simple others. And I WOULD get a Kindle, but even the best one only records video in 720p! But no - 4k or no 4k, I'm not about to curl up in a hollow log with a Kindle.
The S3 has been turned off for the past couple of days; both devices present challenges of their own. The S7 is worse I think with Verizon in the mix. My S7 has turned out to be the guinea pig it seems.
I know how to re-root the S7 if I brick it again but I'll spare myself the hassle. I paid One Click Root for the 6-month extended support package and I'll make them work for it. They pretty much dissed me on the S3 so they deserve it.
Right now the S7 is stable (and functional) again - I was up for hours last night after my ghastly, half-conscious discovery disabling another hundred Google Play subservices. Right now I'm backing up to My Backup Pro's cloud and after that I think I'm going to go offline and uninstall The Framework and Google Play Services. Surely Google can't coerce Verizon to cut off data services to a loyal customer.
A few updates and and an apology. . . .but not in that order. Ummm. . . .I realize that this whole Google privacy thing is a touchy subject and I'm really sorry for having brought it up here (kind of, you know?). I mean, in the sense that this is a really helpful place for what it is and I do understand something about getting knocked back in Google search rankings. I'd really hate to see something like that happen.
So this will be my last post on this topic.
This whole endeavor has really been a nightmare - a real war and I have lost tons of sleep. I'm amazed that I haven't hard-bricked my devices. One day I re-rooted my S3 three times. Yesterday I re-rooted my S7 twice. There is no compromising with Google. None. I thought that I could whittle it down to just not using any of their apps, you know? What other business do they have running data collection or location services on my device? I don't have a connected Samsung or Google account, I declined app usage data, location services and diagnostic usage at setup. I disabled all of those plus everything else that could be disabled in settings and everything possible in permissions. Yet settings keep being switched back on which is the whole reason I rooted my devices. THEN after I root, I install these 3rd party freezing apps and watch Google behind the scenes with their 380 hidden services going to town collecting all sorts of data - Bluetooth, radios, geofencing, storage. . . .it's absolutely unreal. They hide and disable apps I paid to 3rd parties on independent websites. . . .I just don't even know where to begin. I started getting screenshots of all of this and they started deleting and disabling those.
Anyway, I don't know how much longer I have now to return my S3 to Amazon but it might be going back in a pine box. It's defective. I mean, seriously. The permissions keep turning themselves off. Inherently defective perhaps, but defective nonetheless. I've had the S7 since November so I don't know what Verizon can do for me but I think California has some laws.
Anyway, I'm in the midst of preparing some killer videos on rooting and flashing stock firmware to both the Tab S3 and S7 and I will come back and post YouTube links to those when they're done. They will no doubt be immediately removed unless Google finds them lucrative enough to keep, and if they are removed I will PAY Vimeo to host (and protect) them.
Oh - heh - before I forget: YES, you CAN remove every single Google app from your S3 EXCEPT for Chrome. It's part of the infrastructure, man. You will brick your device every time you try to remove it. But remember this - and this is CRUCIAL - install an app freezer (better yet, two), then turn off wi-fi making sure to disable auto-reconnect because everything you do is transmitted and they will brick you. You don't want to clue them into anything. Then use your best judgement to freeze and disable every possible permission before you start Also reboot after every app uninstall (or two). It takes a lonnnng time depending on how many you remove but trust me on this. If you intend to maintain a Google account you should be all good.
I acually use TITANIUM BACKUP
for freezing , u freezing & uninstalling system application's:good:
JackieBlue said:
A few updates and and an apology. . . .but not in that order. Ummm. . . .I realize that this whole Google privacy thing is a touchy subject and I'm really sorry for having brought it up here (kind of, you know?). I mean, in the sense that this is a really helpful place for what it is and I do understand something about getting knocked back in Google search rankings. I'd really hate to see something like that happen.
So this will be my last post on this topic.
This whole endeavor has really been a nightmare - a real war and I have lost tons of sleep. I'm amazed that I haven't hard-bricked my devices. One day I re-rooted my S3 three times. Yesterday I re-rooted my S7 twice. There is no compromising with Google. None. I thought that I could whittle it down to just not using any of their apps, you know? What other business do they have running data collection or location services on my device? I don't have a connected Samsung or Google account, I declined app usage data, location services and diagnostic usage at setup. I disabled all of those plus everything else that could be disabled in settings and everything possible in permissions. Yet settings keep being switched back on which is the whole reason I rooted my devices. THEN after I root, I install these 3rd party freezing apps and watch Google behind the scenes with their 380 hidden services going to town collecting all sorts of data - Bluetooth, radios, geofencing, storage. . . .it's absolutely unreal. They hide and disable apps I paid to 3rd parties on independent websites. . . .I just don't even know where to begin. I started getting screenshots of all of this and they started deleting and disabling those.
Anyway, I don't know how much longer I have now to return my S3 to Amazon but it might be going back in a pine box. It's defective. I mean, seriously. The permissions keep turning themselves off. Inherently defective perhaps, but defective nonetheless. I've had the S7 since November so I don't know what Verizon can do for me but I think California has some laws.
Anyway, I'm in the midst of preparing some killer videos on rooting and flashing stock firmware to both the Tab S3 and S7 and I will come back and post YouTube links to those when they're done. They will no doubt be immediately removed unless Google finds them lucrative enough to keep, and if they are removed I will PAY Vimeo to host (and protect) them.
Oh - heh - before I forget: YES, you CAN remove every single Google app from your S3 EXCEPT for Chrome. It's part of the infrastructure, man. You will brick your device every time you try to remove it. But remember this - and this is CRUCIAL - install an app freezer (better yet, two), then turn off wi-fi making sure to disable auto-reconnect because everything you do is transmitted and they will brick you. You don't want to clue them into anything. Then use your best judgement to freeze and disable every possible permission before you start Also reboot after every app uninstall (or two). It takes a lonnnng time depending on how many you remove but trust me on this. If you intend to maintain a Google account you should be all good.
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Since your the guru on most things. Wondering if you an direct me/tell me, to a best practice on how to debloat H932. Since there really is no debloated stock rom available. Really need wifi calling so can't go to any of the aosp roms.
Also I moved over to Nova Launcher as you suggested in one of my posts.
Thanks for the help.
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Well, I'm not a guru on most things. But I do try to help. I'm not a dev, so people like @runningnak3d or @seadersn know lots more than me.
Before I answer your question about debloating, for Nova launcher I found an icon pack I like on Google Play. I applied it to "convert" all my icons to that look. I also use the "cube" screen turn, and the reverse parallax view where my background image moves with the screen turns. I also put shadows under my icon labels to give them more a 3D look.
For "debloating", Titanium Backup is best or even Greenify (hear me out) -- depending on your goal. Yes, you can force uninstall any app, even system app. Simply change system app to user app, then uninstall. There's even a "bloatware melter" (or something like that) you can invoke in Titanium Backup. Of course, make very good backup(s) with TWRP.
1) I'm not sure what all "bloatware" (added apps) comes with H932, as the carrier unlocked US998 doesn't have much. Look for social media apps you don't use, maybe media streaming services you don't use. On my US998, I DO use Pandora, I DO use Facebook. I've kept Twitter, but I've never used Instagram and probably never will. However, since it's a system app, removing won't really help me free up space (unless I am misunderstanding that LG uses protected system space). Freezing via Titanium Backup might be better.
But first let's discuss bloatware... Somebody said this in another thread:
Things like Hangouts, Keep, Play Games, Play Books, Play Newstand, Google+, Maps, and a handful of other things I consider bloatware. Just because it's from Google doesn't mean it's wanted and doesn't mean it should be pre-loaded.
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I don't agree with him. I use Hangouts every day. It's my SMS app, as I have Google Voice. I use Maps every day, my wife uses Keep everyday. So, bloatware to everyone is different.
2) What is the goal? Reclaiming RAM or reclaiming space on the phone? "User apps" can be uninstalled to reclaim space, and while you CAN uninstall system apps, (to my knowledge) it doesn't help you reclaim user space. With few exceptions when you install something else, it's going to user space, not protected system space. Emptying out protected system space is decluttering the tool shed when you really want more space in your kitchen.
If you simply want stuff to stop running in the background, it's often better to freeze it in Titanium Backup or "hibernate" it with Greenify. If you freeze it and find out it's NEEDED, you can unfreeze it. Hibernate with Greenify means it won't run unless opened, and when closed will be hibernated again.
In one of the "package disabler" threads, somebody published a list of stuff you can remove from LG V30 and it was horrendously stupid. "Can" does not mean "should" -- unless you want to break basic functionality of the phone or want to remove a lot of the premium features.
This below is a conversation from that "package disabler" thread:
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***WARNING*** Some of these apps are ABSOLUTELY necessary. It would be very useful to go through this list and define what absolutely every one of those items are, as I have already found one that is absolutely essential to the basic functionality of the phone.
After having gone through a LOT of other things trying to determine why my SD card was not working with non-google apps, though google apps had no problems with it, and editing the contents with the computer was not an issue, it finally caught my attention that I had done this debloat process around the time that I started having problems (a few days before - hadn't tried to use the SD card other than to read the files, which has always worked).
After several days of searching different things, uninstalling and reinstalling apps (before I checked the debloat process), and finally going one by one with each debloated app, I finally found the culprit. "External Storage" or "com.android.externalstorage" which lists by the LG app as bloatware. But after I turned it back on, the write access was returned to non-google apps.
*edit* I'm also looking for the culprit causing Android Pay to stop working (specifically, when I go to settings, General, Tap & Pay, settings crashes). I've already reenabled "Android Pay" "com.google.android.apps.walletnfcrel" but Settings still crashes when I click on Tap & Pay, so there's some other dependency. And Android Pay is a google service, not related to LG bloatware, so *shouldn't* be just disabled "because" especially when it causes apps to crash just by clicking the wrong button - such as SETTINGS.
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No disrespect to the op who was trying to share something that seems useful (he didn't write this app), BUT...
There's some things in those screenshots that should NOT be disabled. I do question the person who wrote this app. *
In your case for Android Pay, check the NFC stuff. Android Pay depends on NFC working. THAT (NFC) should never never never be disabled. "NFC" is is not an "LG" bloatware -- that is Android system stuff. I made fun of OnePlus for shipping a phone without NFC, and we're disabling it on OUR phones? NFC settings (page 7 of the screenshots in the op). By the way, NFC isn't just for Android Pay, it does other things too.
Some more that seems important...
Hidden Menu (helps you enable more LTE bands, check your OLED display for uniformity, and other things)
Print Spooler (Android service, not LG at all). My wife and I print from our smartphones to our wireless printer all the time. Even if you don't right now, in the future you may and will you really remember you DISABLED this very handy feature?
FM radio. There are some carriers who will NOT allow you to have this (Verizon, cough), and people are forced to SIDELOAD it to get it on their phones and the dev wants you to disable it?
"Qualcomm location" is useful, is related to GPS.
Wi-Fi calling and "W-Fi calling settings". Intertwined with VoLTE. All major carriers have that feature and even smaller carriers are rolling it out.
VPN stuff (two different settings in that list). I've used VPN many times, for work and personal reasons. Besides, many non-root ad blockers use VPN to redirect ad requests.
NFC settings (already mentioned, page 7 of the screenshots in the op)
And of course the External Storage service you mentioned which controls functionality of the microSD card storage.
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I am running into a little issue though. I disable everything in in the open and I lose hd calling.
Anyone know which I need to re enable to get volte back [or hd calling)
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Probably the two Wi-Fi calling settings. I know with at least one major U.S. carrier, the VoLTE/Wi-Fi calling are very intertwined.
There's stuff in here that should NOT be disabled if you want your phone to work right.
* Whoever wrote this (now banned) app seems to have very limited world experience with carriers and smartphones.
Disabling external storage? What, you want a flip phone? Then buy a flip phone.
Disabling Wi-Fi calling? Crazy. Most major carriers are offering this, and even smaller carriers are rolling it out.
Same thing with print spooler and even VPN above. It's like they are trying to turn an LG phone into a OnePlus phone or worse, where users PRETEND they have a top tier Android but really don't.
Yes, some other things in the 11 page list should be hibernated with Greenify, but not totally disabled. It should not be in a disable list.
And you should definitely NOT remove them with ADB. Be very careful!
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3) There's stuff you do NOT want to touch
In Titanium Backup, all the "system" stuff is in red letters. BE VERY CAREFUL! "360 Image Wallpaper" and "360 Video"? I'll never use that, but on the other hand removing it doesn't really help me get more user space back (unless I'm wrong about protected system space). However, you could freeze it in Titanium Backup if you suspected it was using RAM...
I see "SprintService 8.0.0.0" listed in red on my original US998 V30+ -- which is ironic since Sprint doesn't allow the US998 to be activated on their network. Maybe I could remove that, but again is it really hurting me and is it possibly helping me in some way? There's a lot of stuff interconnected that when you remove you find you haven't made the phone faster, but now have lag (since the phone looks for that stuff instead of moving on).
So, freeze or hibernate. Actually uninstall with caution. Make good TWRP backups.
Anybody else can chime in -- but PLEASE do not recommend any of the package disabler apps. We are discussing debloating ROOTED firmware.
I don't even bother with deleting system stuff. This phone really doesn't have that much bloat. And deleting stuff probably won't do much to make a difference anyway. The only reason I use the LG Package Disabler app is to disable the theme service when I want to apply an LG theme but also use substratum. That way it doesn't re-apply the LG theme and remove the substratum stuff on a reboot.
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I don't even bother with deleting system stuff. This phone really doesn't have that much bloat. And deleting stuff probably won't do much to make a difference anyway. The only reason I use the LG Package Disabler app is to disable the theme service when I want to apply an LG theme but also use substratum. That way it doesn't re-apply the LG theme and remove the substratum stuff on a reboot.
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you can use adb uninstall too, so no extra app needed (though you can reactivate apps with lgpd? maybe easier then.). just google for it, there's plenty of info and more than one method :good:
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you can use adb uninstall too, so no extra app needed (though you can reactivate apps with lgpd? maybe easier then.). just google for it, there's plenty of info and more than one method :good:
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Yeah, I need to be able to re-enable it if I want to change an LG theme or go back to the default one. Completely removing it probably wouldn't be smart
Has anyone here uses package disabler pro or adb to remove bloatware and/or system apps? If so which apps did you disable/remove? Did it affect performance and/or battery life at all?
I used the ADB method. That said, some of the software (mostly pre-installed games) can be uninstalled normally, which is nice.
For the rest, I used ADB commands in Fastboot to remove them.
I was working mostly blind, since I hadn't seen anyone with a list, but I think I wound up nuking somewhere between two and three dozen system apps.
Sadly, I didn't write out a list. I tried to err on the side of caution and not nuke anything that sounded important.
Crap like the Game of Thrones game, CNN app and other news apps, radio apps, LG versions of stuff I was using Google apps of (most LG software, actually).
I left things like LG Home and LG Dual Screen installed. Obviously didn't touch System UI or anything that seemed critical.
I also removed some AT&T garbage I don't want or need.
I just Googled up generic instructions and winged it after that.
I did all this on my first day with the phone (early April) so I really don't have any way to compare performance or battery life before and after.
But I haven't had a single performance issue with this phone in over a month of use, and battery has been absolutely beastly.
(I think you've seen a comprehensive post I made in another thread of yours that shows my software environment and how I replaced pretty much everything (launcher, navigation gesture, live wallpaper, etc.) with third-party software that I prefer).
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I used the ADB method. That said, some of the software (mostly pre-installed games) can be uninstalled normally, which is nice.
For the rest, I used ADB commands in Fastboot to remove them.
I was working mostly blind, since I hadn't seen anyone with a list, but I think I wound up nuking somewhere between two and three dozen system apps.
Sadly, I didn't write out a list. I tried to err on the side of caution and not nuke anything that sounded important.
Crap like the Game of Thrones game, CNN app and other news apps, radio apps, LG versions of stuff I was using Google apps of (most LG software, actually).
I left things like LG Home and LG Dual Screen installed. Obviously didn't touch System UI or anything that seemed critical.
I also removed some AT&T garbage I don't want or need.
I just Googled up generic instructions and winged it after that.
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What's the benefits to disabling all of this stuff? I've spent years debloating my devices and never actually noticed any benefit to it. It's a genuine question, as I'm deciding whether or not to do it myself as well
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I used the ADB method. That said, some of the software (mostly pre-installed games) can be uninstalled normally, which is nice.
For the rest, I used ADB commands in Fastboot to remove them.
I was working mostly blind, since I hadn't seen anyone with a list, but I think I wound up nuking somewhere between two and three dozen system apps.
Sadly, I didn't write out a list. I tried to err on the side of caution and not nuke anything that sounded important.
Crap like the Game of Thrones game, CNN app and other news apps, radio apps, LG versions of stuff I was using Google apps of (most LG software, actually).
I left things like LG Home and LG Dual Screen installed. Obviously didn't touch System UI or anything that seemed critical.
I also removed some AT&T garbage I don't want or need.
I just Googled up generic instructions and winged it after that.
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Do you have the commands? I need to dump chrome as it keeps re-enabling itself and I absolutely HATE chrome. Keeps giving itself permissions I've denied it as well. This has been happening several times a day for about 4 days now
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What's the benefits to disabling all of this stuff? I've spent years debloating my devices and never actually noticed any benefit to it. It's a genuine question, as I'm deciding whether or not to do it myself as well
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For one, it just gets rid of apps and icons for crap I never wanted to begin with. I know that most third-party launchers have options to hide apps, but I wanted a solution that was a tad more permanent (though without root, this isn't a 100% wiping of these apps. It's just the best we can manage without root). Since I tend to use Google's main suite of apps for most things, and replace things like my launcher, navigation gestures, and other critical parts of the software environment with third-party solutions, I don't really want a lot of overlapping apps that I'm never going to use. So nuking things like OEM or Carrier versions of Google apps is usually one of my first priorities. Also bull**** like Device Wellness apps, Carrier promotional apps and games, duplicate contacts, gallery, keyboard, dialer, email, contacts, calendar, messaging and browser apps. All that stuff goes. I have no use for two or three different versions of all these apps on my device. I love Chrome, Google Photos, the Google Dialer, Google Contacts, Google Calendar, Google's RCS-enabled Messaging app, etc.
So for me, it's to de-clutter and to make sure I don't have duplicate functionality potentially running in the background eating up system resources, RAM, or mobile data. As long as you don't accidentally nuke something critical to the system, there's no real harm in de-bloating, even if on modern flaghsips with beastly hardware and tons of RAM, there's little performance or battery life to be gained by doing so. If nothing else, I try to keep the number of installed apps in the low 100s, and this helps on that count.
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Do you have the commands? I need to dump chrome as it keeps re-enabling itself and I absolutely HATE chrome. Keeps giving itself permissions I've denied it as well. This has been happening several times a day for about 4 days now
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I used the following guide:
https://www.xda-developers.com/uninstall-carrier-oem-bloatware-without-root-access/amp/
I believe I had the LG Mobile Drivers and Minimalist ADB & Fastboot already installed from my V30 days, so I skipped the first few steps, IIRC.
Or maybe I downloaded new versions and installed those. I don't remember anymore.
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For one, it just gets rid of apps and icons for crap I never wanted to begin with. I know that most third-party launchers have options to hide apps, but I wanted a solution that was a tad more permanent (though without root, this isn't a 100% wiping of these apps. It's just the best we can manage without root). Since I tend to use Google's main suite of apps for most things, and replace things like my launcher, navigation gestures, and other critical parts of the software environment with third-party solutions, I don't really want a lot of overlapping apps that I'm never going to use. So nuking things like OEM or Carrier versions of Google apps is usually one of my first priorities. Also bull**** like Device Wellness apps, Carrier promotional apps and games, duplicate contacts, gallery, keyboard, dialer, email, contacts, calendar, messaging and browser apps. All that stuff goes. I have no use for two or three different versions of all these apps on my device. I love Chrome, Google Photos, the Google Dialer, Google Contacts, Google Calendar, Google's RCS-enabled Messaging app, etc.
So for me, it's to de-clutter and to make sure I don't have duplicate functionality potentially running in the background eating up system resources, RAM, or mobile data. As long as you don't accidentally nuke something critical to the system, there's no real harm in de-bloating, even if on modern flaghsips with beastly hardware and tons of RAM, there's little performance or battery life to be gained by doing so. If nothing else, I try to keep the number of installed apps in the low 100s, and this helps on that count.
I used the following guide:
https://www.xda-developers.com/uninstall-carrier-oem-bloatware-without-root-access/amp/
I believe I had the LG Mobile Drivers and Minimalist ADB & Fastboot already installed from my V30 days, so I skipped the first few steps, IIRC.
Or maybe I downloaded new versions and installed those. I don't remember anymore.
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Back in my V20 days there was an app on the store for this. I'm assuming that's no longer the case? I have been using a rooted OnePlus for a couple of years so I'm out of the loop on this ?
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Back in my V20 days there was an app on the store for this. I'm assuming that's no longer the case? I have been using a rooted OnePlus for a couple of years so I'm out of the loop on this
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LG Package Disabler, or some such? I think it's still around.
I've heard of it, though I've never actually used it.
Nor do I know if it's been updated to support the V60.
Edit - I think this is it. And there's one review that suggests that it works on the V60.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdmdm.dmplay
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LG Package Disabler, or some such? I think it's still around.
I've heard of it, though I've never actually used it.
Nor do I know if it's been updated to support the V60.
Edit - I think this is it. And there's one review that suggests that it works on the V60.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdmdm.dmplay
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It does.. curiously look at the apps it shows disabled when I downloaded it. I disabled Android Auto and YouTube... But what the hell are this other apps? I didn't touch them
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It does.. curiously look at the apps it shows disabled when I downloaded it. I disabled Android Auto and YouTube... But what the hell are this other apps? I didn't touch them
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I think some of those, like the Android Device Wizard and LG Device Wizard are basically one-time apps that run whenever a phone is factory reset.
Basically, the new phone set-up screens and activations you went through when you first powered your device on after purchasing and receiving it.
They may be automatically flagged to disable themselves after that first-time run so that they don't continue to run anytime you reboot the device.
Honestly, that's just a guess, because I don't know.
I don't know about the rest of them, but you can probably Google them.
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I think some of those, like the Android Device Wizard and LG Device Wizard are basically one-time apps that run whenever a phone is factory reset.
Basically, the new phone set-up screens and activations you went through when you first powered your device on after purchasing and receiving it.
They may be automatically flagged to disable themselves after that first-time run so that they don't continue to run anytime you reboot the device.
Honestly, that's just a guess, because I don't know.
I don't know about the rest of them, but you can probably Google them.
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I tried, there was no real useful information. I was just curious anyway
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I tried, there was no real useful information. I was just curious anyway
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I did some quick research:
com.lge.gdec.client seems to be related to the LG G-DEC portal.
https://gdec.lge.com/memLogin.do?req_lang=en
I don't have a log-in, nor do I know how to procure one, but I highly suspect that this is NOT a consumer-level feature or portal.
Perhaps it's for LG developers or existing LG employees. But if it's not consumer-level, then it's not surprising that the service is disabled by default.
LG GCUV (com.lge.gcuv) seems to be related to yet another LG sign-in portal called, appropriately enough, GCUV.
http://india.gcuv.lge.com/
This one seems to be specific to LG users (or developers or sales reps) in India, and it makes sense that it would be disabled on devices not intended for Indian markets.
Like G-DEC, I don't have a log-in for this, nor the means to procure one. I suspect this is another service that is not intended for everyday consumers.
I cannot find any information on Enabler Customizer (com.lge.smartenabler). Just questions about what it is here on XDA and on Reddit, with no one apparently knowing the answer.
So you might be asking yourself why system apps for services and log-ins not intended for consumers (or intended only for specific regions/markets) are doing on our phones?
The simple answer, most likely, is that they probably want to maintain and update as few system images as possible and thus, try to make them as homogenous as possible, disabling things not intended for this market or that market, as needed. Considering how slow LG typically are in releasing new updates for even their newest phones (let alone their older ones that have not yet technically seen support hit end-of-life), I'm OK with them trying to keep down the number of system images they need to work on. Especially if they pre-disable stuff not relevant to us without us needing to do it ourselves.
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I did some quick research:
com.lge.gdec.client seems to be related to the LG G-DEC portal.
https://gdec.lge.com/memLogin.do?req_lang=en
I don't have a log-in, nor do I know how to procure one, but I highly suspect that this is NOT a consumer-level feature or portal.
Perhaps it's for LG developers or existing LG employees. But if it's not consumer-level, then it's not surprising that the service is disabled by default.
LG GCUV (com.lge.gcuv) seems to be related to yet another LG sign-in portal called, appropriately enough GCUV.
http://india.gcuv.lge.com/
This one seems to be specific to LG users (or developers or sales reps) in India, and it makes sense that it would be disabled on devices not intended for Indian markets.
Like G-DEC, I don't have a log-in for this, nor the means to procure one. I suspect this is another service that is not intended for everyday consumers.
I cannot find any information on Enabler Customizer (com.lge.smartenabler). Just questions about what it is here on XDA and on Reddit, with no one apparently knowing the answer.
So you might be asking yourself why system apps for services and log-ins not intended for consumers (or intended only for specific regions/markets) are doing on our phones?
The simple answer, most likely, is that they probably want to maintain and update as few system images as possible and thus, try to make them as homogenous as possible, disabling things not intended for this market or that market, as needed. Considering how slow LG typically are in releasing new updates for even their newest phones (let alone their older ones that have not yet technically seen support hit end-of-life), I'm OK with them trying to keep down the number of system images they need to work on. Especially if they pre-disable stuff not relevant to us without us needing to do it ourselves.
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Yeah I found those links but didn't really know what I was reading. I completely understand why they would be on all devices for ease of update and production. I just didn't know what they were
Ryano89 said:
Yeah I found those links but didn't really know what I was reading. I completely understand why they would be on all devices for ease of update and production. I just didn't know what they were
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Now I kind of want to know what they are as well.
If I had to take a guess, I'd say that they're intended for either LG developers, sales reps, or repair technicians, and that these disabled services facilitate the servicing of devices when needed.
Mejilan said:
LG Package Disabler, or some such? I think it's still around.
I've heard of it, though I've never actually used it.
Nor do I know if it's been updated to support the V60.
Edit - I think this is it. And there's one review that suggests that it works on the V60.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdmdm.dmplay
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That app basically does the same as disabling the apps. It won't stop Chrome from re-enabling every day. I'll try your adb commands next. So tired of that crap app doing this
pre4speed said:
That app basically does the same as disabling the apps. It won't stop Chrome from re-enabling every day. I'll try your adb commands next. So tired of that crap app doing this
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I imagine the ADB commands will work. I don't plan on disabling Chrome, because I use it every day.
But when you zap a package using Fastboot, the app will still actually show up in your Apps listing under Settings, but it'll have a "not installed" next to it.
If you do a factory reset, they'll all revert and you'd need to use the Fastboot ADB commands to nuke them again.
So they're kind of half-gone.
It's not quite as comprehensive as using root to completely delete them from the system partition.
But it's the best we've got outside of root.
I can confirm this package disabler works to disable any app on the V60 which is literally the only thing I typically do when rooting now that I have adguard and youtube vanced... so I dont need root access anymore thanks to that package disabler app. The phone is also fast enough for me to not need access to any type of speed tweaking of the cpu or anything. This is the first phone I can use without root thanks to that dev.
I have significantly improved my charging speed issues and battery drain issues seem to finally drain at a normal rate rather than unexplainably quick. Everything I use still works, im experienced at minimal services tho from every device ive ever owned, pc and phone. Yes it does make a significant difference to not be running so many unnecessary processes.
lendawg said:
Has anyone here uses package disabler pro or adb to remove bloatware and/or system apps? If so which apps did you disable/remove? Did it affect performance and/or battery life at all?
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cqqx2 said:
I can confirm this package disabler works to disable any app on the V60 which is literally the only thing I typically do when rooting now that I have adguard and youtube vanced... so I dont need root access anymore thanks to that package disabler app. The phone is also fast enough for me to not need access to any type of speed tweaking of the cpu or anything. This is the first phone I can use without root thanks to that dev.
I have significantly improved my charging speed issues and battery drain issues seem to finally drain at a normal rate rather than unexplainably quick. Everything I use still works, im experienced at minimal services tho from every device ive ever owned, pc and phone. Yes it does make a significant difference to not be running so many unnecessary processes.
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Do you have a list of what you disabled?
I have the tmobile varient... This is the xml contents of the things I disabled for a stock experience. Note: I dont use google voice assistant or any pen input, nfc, or always on display... I also use youtube vanced for youtube and poweramp for music. Those are notable things I disabled imo, everything else is just added bloat to stock Android 10. Dont disable any LG Home apps as they power the navigation and also dual screens, this is safe you wont get any device bricking errors, you can always go back and toggle things on and off to your liking but this is the xml export of apps I disabled. You could copy and paste this and save as xml to import into the service disabler.
Code:
<h>
<a class="java.util.ArrayList">
<string>com.android.LGSetupWizard</string>
<string>com.google.android.youtube</string>
<string>com.lge.sizechangable.weather.platform</string>
<string>com.android.dynsystem</string>
<string>com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox</string>
<string>com.lge.lgbroadcastradioservice</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcprovider</string>
<string>com.google.android.onetimeinitializer</string>
<string>com.lge.appbox.client</string>
<string>com.lge.quicktools</string>
<string>com.lge.mirrorlink</string>
<string>com.tmobile.m1</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.uimremoteclient</string>
<string>com.lge.sui.widget</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.qms.service.connectionsecurity</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcconnectivity</string>
<string>com.quicinc.voice.activation</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.telephonyservice</string>
<string>com.lge.gnsstest</string>
<string>com.tmobile.pr.mytmobile</string>
<string>com.lge.lifetracker</string>
<string>com.lge.smartshare.provider</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.uimremoteserver</string>
<string>com.google.ar.core</string>
<string>com.google.ar.lens</string>
<string>com.lge.myplace.engine</string>
<string>com.lge.pickme</string>
<string>com.ipsec.service</string>
<string>com.lge.diag.echolocate</string>
<string>com.android.carrierconfig</string>
<string>com.google.android.marvin.talkback</string>
<string>com.lge.launcher2.theme.optimus</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.work.oobconfig</string>
<string>com.android.hotwordenrollment.xgoogle</string>
<string>com.lge.smartshare</string>
<string>com.lge.icecontacts</string>
<string>com.android.egg</string>
<string>com.android.nfc</string>
<string>com.android.backupconfirm</string>
<string>com.lge.iftttmanager</string>
<string>com.lge.exchange</string>
<string>com.lge.wapservice</string>
<string>com.google.android.gm</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.tachyon</string>
<string>com.lge.nfwlocationattribution</string>
<string>com.lge.gnsslogsetting</string>
<string>com.lge.ia.task.smartsetting</string>
<string>com.lge.lgmapui</string>
<string>com.lge.lgworld</string>
<string>com.google.android.setupwizard</string>
<string>com.lge.gamelauncher</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qcrilmsgtunnel</string>
<string>com.facebook.services</string>
<string>com.android.printspooler</string>
<string>com.android.hotwordenrollment.okgoogle</string>
<string>com.android.dreams.basic</string>
<string>com.lge.gnsspostest</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.wellbeing</string>
<string>com.tmobile.pr.adapt</string>
<string>com.lge.abba</string>
<string>com.lge.cmas</string>
<string>com.lge.eula</string>
<string>com.lge.gcuv</string>
<string>com.lge.laot</string>
<string>com.lge.lms2</string>
<string>com.lge.jansky.service</string>
<string>com.lge.sizechangable.weather.theme.optimus</string>
<string>com.lge.entitlementcheckservice</string>
<string>com.lge.gestureanswering</string>
<string>com.google.android.syncadapters.contacts</string>
<string>com.android.chrome</string>
<string>com.google.android.tag</string>
<string>com.lge.gnss.airtest</string>
<string>com.lge.signboard.settings</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.walletnfcrel</string>
<string>com.lge.wifi.p2p</string>
<string>com.android.calllogbackup</string>
<string>com.google.android.partnersetup</string>
<string>com.lge.gallery.aodimagewidget</string>
<string>com.android.carrierdefaultapp</string>
<string>com.lge.gdec.client</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.remoteSimlockAuth</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcsettings</string>
<string>com.google.android.feedback</string>
<string>com.google.android.printservice.recommendation</string>
<string>com.android.managedprovisioning</string>
<string>com.lge.smartsharepush</string>
<string>com.lge.lgcontentsetting</string>
<string>com.lge.themeservice</string>
<string>com.tmobile.rsuadapter.qualcomm</string>
<string>com.ipsec.vpnclient</string>
<string>com.android.providers.partnerbookmarks</string>
<string>com.lge.qhelp.application</string>
<string>com.android.wallpaper.livepicker</string>
<string>com.facebook.system</string>
<string>com.ipsec.profile</string>
<string>com.lge.myplace</string>
<string>com.lge.hotspotprovision</string>
<string>com.lge.provider.signboard</string>
<string>com.lge.lgfota.permission</string>
<string>com.lge.lgaccount</string>
<string>com.lge.sizechangable.weather</string>
<string>com.google.android.projection.gearhead</string>
<string>com.lge.lgwallet</string>
<string>com.lge.eulaprovider</string>
<string>com.lge.bnr</string>
<string>com.lge.phonemanagement</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.services.secureui</string>
<string>com.lge.smartdoctor.webview</string>
<string>com.lge.smartenabler</string>
<string>com.lge.cic.eden.service</string>
<string>com.google.android.gms.location.history</string>
<string>com.facebook.appmanager</string>
<string>com.lge.leccp</string>
<string>com.lge.music</string>
<string>com.lge.qhelp</string>
<string>com.android.traceur</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.qms.service.trustzoneaccess</string>
<string>com.tmobile.rsuapp</string>
<string>com.tmobile.rsusrv</string>
<string>com.lge.gametuner</string>
<string>com.lge.signboard</string>
<string>com.lge.animal.resource</string>
<string>com.lge.snappage</string>
<string>com.lge.livemessage</string>
<string>com.lge.penprime</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcservice</string>
<string>com.google.android.inputmethod.latin</string>
<string>com.lge.sdencryption</string>
<string>com.lge.qmemoplus</string>
</a>
</h>
Again, all core phone features definately work like internet, messaging, phone calls, fingerprint, location, cameras, all of it as normal. There are a couple debatable apps like
com.lge.ia.task.smartsetting where I debate their impact on LGs battery management because I do believe it is possible for them to have added a particular app that improved on android 10s battery but for me im good with running with just things I know come with stock + dont break the system ui or dual screen functionality.
I just feel like companies with 1000s of employees force develop apps just to say they did something each week (+brag about in ads), and to act as if Google hasnt done a good enough job... usually companys have a couple solid apps but mostly bulky junk they think just because a phones specs are able to run a lot of things at once, its okay to toss in all kinds of extra code for the phone to have to deal with.
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Do you have a list of what you disabled?
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cqqx2 said:
I have the tmobile varient... This is the xml contents of the things I disabled for a stock experience. Note: I dont use google voice assistant or any pen input, nfc, or always on display... I also use youtube vanced for youtube and poweramp for music. Those are notable things I disabled imo, everything else is just added bloat to stock Android 10. Dont disable any LG Home apps as they power the navigation and also dual screens, this is safe you wont get any device bricking errors, you can always go back and toggle things on and off to your liking but this is the xml export of apps I disabled. You could copy and paste this and save as xml to import into the service disabler.
Again, all core phone features definately work like internet, messaging, phone calls, fingerprint, location, cameras, all of it as normal. There are a couple debatable apps like
com.lge.ia.task.smartsetting where I debate their impact on LGs battery management because I do believe it is possible for them to have added a particular app that improved on android 10s battery but for me im good with running with just things I know come with stock + dont break the system ui or dual screen functionality.
I just feel like companies with 1000s of employees force develop apps just to say they did something each week (+brag about in ads), and to act as if Google hasnt done a good enough job... usually companys have a couple solid apps but mostly bulky junk they think just because a phones specs are able to run a lot of things at once, its okay to toss in all kinds of extra code for the phone to have to deal with.
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Awesome thanks man!
No problem, I will update this later on this week. Whats funny is that was my stable backup but not my very latest tweaking, when I went to export my very latest list, the app has a button to enable all disabled apps and I accidentally pressed it, so I lost those settings but am working on making sure the very best options are enabled and disabled. I will be testing and tweaking to update this base list this werk to find the cleanest, performance and battery life... (by trying out before and after of certain debatable services)
If you use this list and find a feature is disabled you use and you dont know which app it was let me know (ex google assistant) I will let you know which apps you need to reenable.
Off the top of my head, device health services and qualcomms devicestatisticservice (id suggest disabling this one) and lgs smartcare are some apps that are debatable on whether or not they are best to enable or disable..
I play a lot of fortnite (I know I know) but its literally the most battery draining thing you can do especially when combined with a bluetooth controller at full brightness, so battery performance is easy for me to monitor.. Also I was having an absolute misreable time with this device before I came here and saw that nonroot package disabler program was a thing.
lendawg said:
Awesome thanks man!
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