Hy guys.
My girfriend bought a beautiful S9 plus and she loves it. It is a great piece of hardware, from design to speed and camera. Just amazing.
Of course i had to test a few things myself (still a rooted note 3 owner). I tried my old "Nemesis", Retroarch, with a couple of games (3rd gen Cave shmups) that put to shame every smartphone Cpu sp far.
The games finally ran full speed, except for moments where a ton of stuff happends on screen and the framerate and audio start going a bit crazy. What is strange though, is the fact that the Cpu never goes beyond 1.7 ghz, never once, which is the little cores max frequency. I'd expect it to reach 2.7 which is the max for the big powerfull ones, to further smoothen the performance.
Is there something i'm missing here? There is no power saving activated and the game center(?forgot the actual.name) settings are set to performance (though from what i understand it only affects display, not Cpu).
...help?
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Hy guys.
My girfriend bought a beautiful S9 plus and she loves it. It is a great piece of hardware, from design to speed and camera. Just amazing.
Of course i had to test a few things myself (still a rooted note 3 owner). I tried my old "Nemesis", Retroarch, with a couple of games (3rd gen Cave shmups) that put to shame every smartphone Cpu sp far.
The games finally ran full speed, except for moments where a ton of stuff happends on screen and the framerate and audio start going a bit crazy. What is strange though, is the fact that the Cpu never goes beyond 1.7 ghz, never once, which is the little cores max frequency. I'd expect it to reach 2.7 which is the max for the big powerfull ones, to further smoothen the performance.
Is there something i'm missing here? There is no power saving activated and the game center(?forgot the actual.name) settings are set to performance (though from what i understand it only affects display, not Cpu).
...help?
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I haven't gone beyond 1.7ghz since my last reset, I did when I first got the phone but my assumption is that s new kernel was installed that changed the way the CPU ramped up (Exynos btw) to counter the battery life claims. In all honesty from my limited knowledge it's probably the GPU that limits the frame rate but that's only a guess as 8 cores @ 1.7ghz is plenty of processing power.
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. In all honesty from my limited knowledge it's probably the GPU that limits the frame rate but that's only a guess as 8 cores @ 1.7ghz is plenty of processing power.
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The S9+ is not rooted, so it's on stock kernel.
Also, the emulator (mame) is designed to only use Cpu for 2d games, with Gpu used at minimum.
1.7 is far from enough, especially when it can go up to 2.7 to improve the otherwise non-optimal performance of the games. I'm very curious what's the issue here...
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The S9+ is not rooted, so it's on stock kernel.
Also, the emulator (mame) is designed to only use Cpu for 2d games, with Gpu used at minimum.
1.7 is far from enough, especially when it can go up to 2.7 to improve the otherwise non-optimal performance of the games. I'm very curious what's the issue here...
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Yea mine is stock as well - my observation was that in the first month or so I had hit 2.7 a fair amount, but haven't in the last 2 months once so assuming they modified the stock kernel
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Yea mine is stock as well - my observation was that in the first month or so I had hit 2.7 a fair amount, but haven't in the last 2 months once so assuming they modified the stock kernel
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Oh, now i understand. Well, it's very strange and frankly, a bit alarming. Could anyone else with up to date stock software share some numbers as well?
Same.
Same here on G965FXXU2BRG6.
Edit: It seems that CPU Spy doesn't work correctly on the S9. When using CPU-Z and running Geekbench 4, I can clearly see CPUs 4-7 running at 2704 MHz at times.
That's interesting. So my next test will have to involve Cpu-z as a monitoring tool. Thanks for the replies guys.
We need a cristal clear answer on this.
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Yea mine is stock as well - my observation was that in the first month or so I had hit 2.7 a fair amount, but haven't in the last 2 months once so assuming they modified the stock kernel
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Ran Antutu on S9+ Snapdragon last night, it's being throttled down to a max. of 1.77MHz and no more even during antutu's 15 minutes Stress Test. It would score much higher if it was allowed to.
...an error, please remove.
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Ran Antutu on S9+ Snapdragon last night, it's being throttled down to a max. of 1.77MHz and no more even during antutu's 15 minutes Stress Test. It would score much higher if it was allowed to.
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God damn it. Haven't got the time to do further testing myself yet, but by the looks of it 1.7 seems to be the max. and not 2.7.
Any rooted phones owners care to share some numbers? Can you lock it to 2.7 like it should?
Are we talking Exynos or Snapdragon here? That'd be a good piece of info while sharing the stats!
Personally i'm talking about exynos, but apparently snapdragon behaves the same.
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Ran Antutu on S9+ Snapdragon last night, it's being throttled down to a max. of 1.77MHz and no more even during antutu's 15 minutes Stress Test. It would score much higher if it was allowed to.
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Has anyone tried hitting the "Performance mode" toggle in the drop down menu? Stupid question, but easily overlooked.
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Has anyone tried hitting the "Performance mode" toggle in the drop down menu? Stupid question, but easily overlooked.
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Yes, i tried all settings including performance mode. It only affects brightness and screen resolution. The Cpu speed is still limited to a 1.7 max.
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Yes, i tried all settings including performance mode. It only affects brightness and screen resolution. The Cpu speed is still limited to a 1.7 max.
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bummer.
RaduNastase said:
Yes, i tried all settings including performance mode. It only affects brightness and screen resolution. The Cpu speed is still limited to a 1.7 max.
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I did the same, then I tried in WQHD+ resolution hoping that it may create more demand from CPU/GPU and no, same 1.7. What is the best way to make a complaint about it to Samsung? We bought an 8 cylinder Maserati and after the honeymoon they remotely disabled two because the engine might blow?
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I did the same, then I tried in WQHD+ resolution hoping that it may create more demand from CPU/GPU and no, same 1.7. What is the best way to make a complaint about it to Samsung? We bought an 8 cylinder Maserati and after the honeymoon they remotely disabled two because the engine might blow?
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Probably the official forums.
It would be great if a rooted user with a Cpu oriented kernel (overclocking, voltage, governor manipulation) would show us that those big cores can, at least when rooted, be used at full potential.
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Thanks, am gonna register there, see what they have to say about it. That and my other question I'd have: why I received my 'new' S9+ with IMEI SV 07? And when I did IMEI lookup on line, found out that the phone was registered for warranty one month before I ordered it. My email to Customer Service was returned with "Samsung sells only brand new phones". Didn't know that there is no replacement policy at Samsung, you can only return it for refund, it's not a good option for me, because I took that 'bundle deal' and I don't owe the Chromebook anymore, they would subtract some$ from it. Well, according to Samsung, the warranty on my phone runs until October '19, we'll see.
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This morning I restarted my prime and im looking at system tuner pro...
All 4 cores are active and stuck on either 475mhz or 1.2mhz!
I didn't change anything...governer is interactive 102-1.6mhz limit....the cores wont turn off or scale down. It would usually scale down to 102mhz and turn off 2 cores...but they're all online...
FAST is good but it's killing my battery =P
Anyone know whats going on?
Pretty sire this is across the board for the most part. This happened after update to ICS or last update. Ive noticed it also but it scales to other frequencies also. Doesn't seem to effect battery too much. Your best bet if you worried about battery is to throw it in power savings mode in Asus quick settings. But no matter what mode its in, it seems to like to stay near maxed out. Maybe Asus adjusted the frequency timing to speed up things in ICS.
apologies
I'm sorry, I didn't see any other posts about this issue.
Thanks for your input
Yeah, I've had the same problem since the ICS update, but still can't find a solution, so I'm waitng for recovery and back to HC.. And, btw, it's killing my battery - it barely holds a whole day since then..
This seems like a plausible explanation for all the reboots people are seeing. With ICS the processor is kept in a more active state which uncovers wafer defects and heats up the SoC until it goes into protection mode.
Some processors handle the load better than others and it seems the spread is veeeery wide. nVidia is probably supplying Asus with parts from all bins, if they even bother to quality check and rate their parts after coming off the production lines.
I would argue that nVidia's thresholds for what is considered a passable Tegra 3 chip are way too low for real world applications.
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This seems like a plausible explanation for all the reboots people are seeing. With ICS the processor is kept in a more active state which uncovers wafer defects and heats up the SoC until it goes into protection mode.
Some processors handle the load better than others and it seems the spread is veeeery wide. nVidia is probably supplying Asus with parts from all bins, if they even bother to quality check and rate their parts after coming off the production lines.
I would argue that nVidia's thresholds for what is considered a passable Tegra 3 chip are way too low for real world applications.
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Maybe. I can run overclocked to 1.6Ghz n still be fine no reboots. Like you said, not all chips exactly the same though. Small variances between all chips.
I'm hoping/assuming ASUS is aware of this, but just in case they're not, has anyone brought this to Gary's attention?
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I'm hoping/assuming ASUS is aware of this, but just in case they're not, has anyone brought this to Gary's attention?
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I'm sure they do know already. Probably amped the frequency timing up so ICS can stay as smooth as it is. It may get adjusted in new update we supposed to get any day now. New update "supposedly" fixes alot of issues.
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Just took a look on system tuner, mine still scales down to 102Mhz. Not all 4 cores on all the time. It does like to stay in the higher range though alot. It all depends on what you doing and what you have running in background also.
mine used to scale down to 102mhz as well...and usually with the 3rd and 4th core offline
Odd that it has changed....
Thanks for all the input...im gonna try and see if manually updating to ICS will make any difference
*edit: I put the update file into the system root but TFP won't prompt/recognize the update...guess it won't make a difference....I'll try backing up then doing a factory reset
I'm seeing something a little different. Mine scales all over the place, except it barely ever hits 1300MHz or 1400MHz, even when set on Performance and gaming/benchmarking. For example, right now, mine only show 3 seconds on 1400MHz and 5 seconds on 1300MHz, out of 13 hours uptime.
I think ASUS and Nvidia have some work left to do in getting the Tegra 3 optimized. I'd really rather mine actually use its fastest stock speeds when in Performance mode.
Overclocking?
demandarin said:
Maybe. I can run overclocked to 1.6Ghz n still be fine no reboots. Like you said, not all chips exactly the same though. Small variances between all chips.
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How did you get to overclock? I rooted mine, but had to return it because of problems. However, I couldn't overclock it either.
What's yur secret?
Update: Did a factory reset and all 4 cores are still online 425mhz-1.2 =(
Seems like my i/o speed just got worse and now there's severe lag...
*sigh* - will just wait for unlocked bootloader
SortingBeans said:
How did you get to overclock? I rooted mine, but had to return it because of problems. However, I couldn't overclock it either.
What's yur secret?
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Where you been? Lol we've overclocked for a good while now. Head over into Android developement section of prime. Then check out the "Vipercontrol" thread. Very easy to install n setup.
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I'm seeing something a little different. Mine scales all over the place, except it barely ever hits 1300MHz or 1400MHz, even when set on Performance and gaming/benchmarking. For example, right now, mine only show 3 seconds on 1400MHz and 5 seconds on 1300MHz, out of 13 hours uptime.
I think ASUS and Nvidia have some work left to do in getting the Tegra 3 optimized. I'd really rather mine actually use its fastest stock speeds when in Performance mode.
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That's how its supposed to be. It doesn't run at top speed full time..lol your battery wouldn't lastlong at all if it did that. It only hit tops speeds when needed. Then it scales back when not needed anymore.
As far as your timing showing only a few seconds at top speed, all that means is you didn't do anything the prime needed top speeds for.
If you want to run at full speeds all the time I have your solution. If you rooted get System tuner app. Then open app up. Go to CPU tweaks. There it shows you what all 4 cores are running a piece in real time. The governor should be on default interactive mode. All you do it put governor on performance mode. Then raise your minimum speed up to the Max. Now your prime will be running at top speeds all the time. Now beware though, expect battery to drain alot faster.
I did that trick with my overclock n can have all 4 cores maxed out to 1.6Ghz at once. Battery drains faster than Asus performance mode though. As far as speeds go though, I can put my prime in stock powersavings mode, lowest power settings, n everything still moves fast n fluid. Same with heavy duty games also. There's nothing out on Android yet to really need overclocking power yet. PRIME handles anything you throw at it in stock settings. OVERCLOCKING is just for kicks really andbto make things that much faster. Not really needed. Overclocking will be better once bootloader unlocked and we get undervolting paired with overclocking. That way we can get great battery life and more power. Nothing wrong with overclocking though. I'd say if you not worried about battery life or gonna eventually be near a powersource, go for it. Android developement section of Prime. Its called VioerControl Mod. Very easy to install n setup. Works great. Everyone rooted should give it a whirl if you looking for more power or want to push the envelope.
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That's how its supposed to be. It doesn't run at top speed full time..lol your battery wouldn't lastlong at all if it did that. It only hit tops speeds when needed. Then it scales back when not needed anymore.
My mistake. I'd forgotten that I'd rebooted since running the benchmarks and gaming, so my CPU Spy values didn't reflect them. I just ran some benchmarks and 1400MHz now shows 18 seconds while 1300MHz now shows 2:08 minutes.
I would still like to see that as running at 1400MHz throughout the benchmarks, so I stand by my statement that some additional tuning is required.
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what Firmware specifically are you guys on????
I just downloaded system tuner... I'm running ICS, and my tablet has been rock solid (not a single reboot).
CPU0 is running around 200-400MHz, and the other 3 cores are offline (although core 1 comes online for a bit now and then.) And, my battery life is excellent.... same or better than it was with HC.
To clarify, those of you who are having reboots, are you all seeing all cores on and maxed out all the time?
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what Firmware specifically are you guys on????
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9.4.2.11
Its the latest one available on ICS.
On the contrary...ever since my tfp decided to keep all cores online and minimum 425mhz speed, I haven't had any lockups or reboots.
But my battery life sucks and my benchmark scores are Still horrible.
The disk I/0 speed is horrendous (as stated in the bonnie++ benchmark thread)
Hope for an update soon
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try this for better disk read
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1455382
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try this for better disk read
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1455382
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Has this been confirmed to actually work or be better? Were you the one that made that thread with bonnie benchmarks on disk read speeds or something? How much of a difference are the scores after installing the kernel modules in that thread?
Ok so im rooted and overclocked and was using setcpu then decided i wanna try something different so i tried system tuner! When i checked the cpu it said that one of the processors are off line! Then i pressed the info button and sure enough it says only reading one! So i went through the settings and found force both cores online!
Since then i have no lag and virtually no checkerboarding on the web! Anyway i was just wondering if im the only one who noticed this and maybe it could help those who say that they are still getting lag on they're roms using dag's kernel!
Also i hope devs will notice this thread since i can't post there yet and take advantage of this how ever they can!
Now don't quote me on this but most likely the second core only turns on for processor intensive activities such as high graphics games or multiple programs running at once. I do find it hard to believe that it would be totally disabled. Most likely this is done to conserve battery.
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Now don't quote me on this but most likely the second core only turns on for processor intensive activities such as high graphics games or multiple programs running at once. I do find it hard to believe that it would be totally disabled. Most likely this is done to conserve battery.
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Nope i checked that i had 10 apps open two were games (dead space and gta III) One cpu online even on performance! I see 50 views i hope others chime in and let us know what you are thinking
Btw they Did this i heard to the galaxy nexus with the tiomap 1.2 so we'll see what others find
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Nope i checked that i had 10 apps open two were games (dead space and gta III) One cpu online even on performance! I see 50 views i hope others chime in and let us know what you are thinking
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Okay if this really is the case I could also see at&t disabling the second core totally to save battery because of lte but i guess it will take a dev that has more experience with how qualcomm's multicore cpus work in android. report back with differences in battery life like how much faster does it drain now that both cores are forced on.
if you want both cores on click on boot settings and enable force all cpus online. that heats up your phone and eats more battery though+I do not see any benefits doing that.
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Okay if this really is the case I could also see at&t disabling the second core totally to save battery because of lte but i guess it will take a dev that has more experience with how qualcomm's multicore cpus work in android. report back with differences in battery life like how much faster does it drain now that both cores are forced on.
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I've had it like this for 4 days on average i will take of the charger at 8am now is 8:30pm and i have 27% but i use my navigation for my Job! By 10:30 or so ill have 15% and recharge!
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1836 max
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Smartassv2
Both cores pushing
Screen off
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In call
384 max
Tomorrow ill post some pics of battery life usage!
And my phone doesn't get any hotter than normal not even while using my navi! Mostly it just gives no lag and better rendering in the browser/maps/etc!!
I was under the impression that Gingerbread didn't fully utilize multiple cores. Need HC or ICS...
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I was under the impression that Gingerbread didn't fully utilize multiple cores. Need HC or ICS...
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Same, but having a better processor helps. Like exynos. I bet once we update to ics if it ever happens, the differences will be only minor between processors, as it runs so nice.
Got system tuner pro, and it shows speed bars on both cpus running? I didn't change a thing?
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Got system tuner pro, and it shows speed bars on both cpus running? I didn't change a thing?
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Really? I switched Roms twice today and had to reset that each time! Cpu.0 online Cpu.1 offline! Like i said am i the only one? Lets hear from more people and let us know of any lag or rendering changes after turning on both cpu's! Battery too, i'll post mine tomorrow.
I thought I'd play and I have CPU0 running and CPU1 running.
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Btw they Did this i heard to the galaxy nexus with the tiomap 1.2 so we'll see what others find
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Not entirely true.. the Galaxy Nexus has a kernel governor that turns one core off when the SCREEN IS OFF, but not when the phone is being used. Multiple kernel creators have since implemented this into their kernels. It is called "hot plugging" and it just turns CPU 1 offline when the screen is off and turns it back on when the screen is on
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Just checked mine, rooted and OC with DaG's 0.1 version (first version). When I looked, it said the second CPU was offline. Changed it to online, we'll see how that impacts battery life.
How much of an advantage is smartassv2 anyway?
I just tried this with system tuner and both cpus were working but wone was of and on and zero was always on.
I am running stock rooted. If you just sit yhere and watch it you will see tje sevond core fires and shuts down alot.
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Really? I switched Roms twice today and had to reset that each time! Cpu.0 online Cpu.1 offline! Like i said am i the only one? Lets hear from more people and let us know of any lag or rendering changes after turning on both cpu's! Battery too, i'll post mine tomorrow.
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Same for me (CPU 0 on, CPU1 off, most times) and I'll say I have noticed no real changes in functionality (speed, rendering, etc) or battery life...
I guess jury is still out or is this a YMMV kind of thing?
I installed system runner and watched the cpus. One was on and the other kicked in periodically
Mine said it was offline as well. Forced it on and am not noticing any difference in speed or temp.
Ill leave it like this to test it further.
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Do you have to be rooted to force both cores on?
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Do you have to be rooted to force both cores on?
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As far as I know yes you must have super user permission to alter such system activities
I don't know why everyone is in such a rush to force the second core online, it turns on and off when it needs to.
now hat we're unlocked lets overclock and undervolt and see if we can get 10k quadrant and a week out of the battery..lol
no but seriously how much do you guys think we can turn this thing up (overclock) and it be stable? (like its really needed..i cant get it to lag now as it is) once we get a kernel that is
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now hat we're unlocked lets overclock and undervolt and see if we can get 10k quadrant and a week out of the battery..lol
no but seriously how much do you guys think we can turn this thing up (overclock) and it be stable? (like its really needed..i cant get it to lag now as it is) once we get a kernel that is
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1800 is a VERY good starting point.... I ran a kernel when I had the International variant and it was FAST!! I think it was called "Bullet" kernel...?
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now hat we're unlocked lets overclock and undervolt and see if we can get 10k quadrant and a week out of the battery..lol
no but seriously how much do you guys think we can turn this thing up (overclock) and it be stable? (like its really needed..i cant get it to lag now as it is) once we get a kernel that is
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I was looking stuff up on that today. The highest I could find documented was 1900 on the cpu and 800 on the gpu.
For everyday usage, overclocking is useless, even for gaming. Undervolting can be beneficial, but from what I've seen, the latest processors get approximately the same battery life on stock voltage as they do undervolted.
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For everyday usage, overclocking is useless, even for gaming. Undervolting can be beneficial, but from what I've seen, the latest processors get approximately the same battery life on stock voltage as they do undervolted.
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hey thats good to know...like i stated though. if there ever was a phone that needed over clock this one IS NOT it. i cant bog it down right now and believe me ive tried. someone out there might can but i cant.
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For everyday usage, overclocking is useless, even for gaming. Undervolting can be beneficial, but from what I've seen, the latest processors get approximately the same battery life on stock voltage as they do undervolted.
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I just like to play around with different kernels but the kernel I was using def made the device snappier and I had some killer benchmarks! But you are right though! Custom kernels on this device is not really necessary...
I plan on building a custom kernel then, hopefully tomorrow night or possibly Saturday. I do have some plans to improve it, but nothing related to the CPU or GPU going faster, just having other stuff operate better and getting rid of anything not needed.
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1800 is a VERY good starting point.... I ran a kernel when I had the International variant and it was FAST!! I think it was called "Bullet" kernel...?
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I hope I don't get another lemon CPU... my TBolt's would only overclock to 1.4G, anything above and it locked up.
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I hope I don't get another lemon CPU... my TBolt's would only overclock to 1.4G, anything above and it locked up.
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That's better than me. I could run 1200 for weeks but at 1400 about every other day it would restart randomly.
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That's better than me. I could run 1200 for weeks but at 1400 about every other day it would restart randomly.
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HA. My TBolt stayed stable at 1200, but ANYTHING higher than that and it would crap out on me.
I could run my bolt stable at 1700 all day. Kept it at 14 for a month no issues. Stayed at 13 the rest of the time. Course at 17 it was like it was running on a watch battery with the amount of time it would last. Lol
Eh I ran 1.6Ghz on my Thunderbolt 24/7 and with the 2750mah battery it lasted me days.
On a phone like that there was a significant improvement to the end user that justified the overclock. Now on the Note 2 I'd expect there to be very few who would want an overclock at all. I am part of the very few however. I play a lot of emulators on my phone and for N64 and Playstation I need all the raw CPU power I can get. Yep, even on this beast of a phone I still get some lag and stuttering on those emulators. The reason being is the same as PC gaming. AMD thinks that by adding more and more cores to their processors they can win the performance arena. Unfortunately they are wrong. Intel has the right idea, 4 cores is plenty now let's improve the efficiency and performance of those specific cores.
Same goes for our phones. Quad core is the most I'd ever want in my computers, anymore is just a waste. Now let's get better architecture for the processor to maximize clock-for-clock performance. And overclocking those cores helps it in apps that don't support more than one or two cores, because the baseline performance for each core is boosted.
So yeah, can't wait for a 1.8Ghz kernel
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This is how Oneplus X performs on low-light conditions, is this software related?
Update: It seems to be hardware related, Oneplus X uses the AA version of the SD 801 which is the weakest version with a GPU performance that loses to phones 2-3 years old. I don't know if this is related to the camera but I already feel cheated as this CPU was marketed as "very similar" to the OPO, this explains why it stays miles away from the OPO and is beaten by phones like the Xiaomi mi 4 which is in the same prince range.
Bummer. I shoot useful video like that all the time.
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Bummer. I shoot useful video like that all the time.
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It's not only in low-light conditions, people complain that the phone has major lags when it's correcting the light mid-video on bright days.
rylark said:
It's not only in low-light conditions, people complain that the phone has major lags when it's correcting the light mid-video on bright days.
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I'm waiting to see what the professional reviews say before drawing conclusions. Even so, I still won't care because I normally don't use my phone to record meaningful HD video.
Just so you're aware, the SOC isn't simply the AA model. It's the MSM8974PROAA. The PRO means that it still has the high end 578mhz gpu. It should dominate current games, yet it doesnt. It's most definitely software related, and oneplus need to get this sorted. Stop misleading people, the phone is technically very powerful. It's Oxygen OS that's letting it down.
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Oneplus X uses the AA version of the SD 801 which is the weakest version with a GPU performance that loses to phones 2-3 years old.
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Nonsense.
Like someone already said it's AA Pro version which is really good. Game performance and video lagging is software related for sure. Probably due to poor default governor.
OP works on fix already, but wait for some custom roms. This phone is going to fly.
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Nonsense.
Like someone already said it's AA Pro version which is really good. Game performance and video lagging is software related for sure. Probably due to poor default governor.
OP works on fix already, but wait for some custom roms. This phone is going to fly.
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I second this.
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Nonsense.
Like someone already said it's AA Pro version which is really good. Game performance and video lagging is software related for sure. Probably due to poor default governor.
OP works on fix already, but wait for some custom roms. This phone is going to fly.
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charliebigpot said:
I second this.
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3rd!
People that blame the CPU for the current performance state of this device clearly don't know very much.
With the kernel blu_spark r25 I have way better performances on Fallout Shelter than with the stock kernel!
Petronius42 said:
With the kernel blu_spark r25 I have way better performances on Fallout Shelter than with the stock kernel!
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Yeah but you have to be rooted an unlocked which means you won't get any OTA.
geko95gek said:
Yeah but you have to be rooted an unlocked which means you won't get any OTA.
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I rooted my device without unlocking bootloader.
I than tampered a little bit with the cpu and got way better performance in games as well
I considered flashing that kernel, too, but didn't want the hassle of resetting my device for it (unlocking bootloader). I'll do that when more custom roms are available.
CPU GOVENOR: ONDEMAND
I/O Scheduler: Scheduler: cfq & Read-ahead: 2048kb
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Yeah but you have to be rooted an unlocked which means you won't get any OTA.
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you wont get ota if you mess with system partition = rooting
but it doesnt matter if you unlock -> backup boot -> flash blu_spark
and if ota is available you restore boot and flash ota
geko95gek said:
Yeah but you have to be rooted an unlocked which means you won't get any OTA.
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True, but by the time they fix with OTA we will probably have several custom ROMs.
bubbl3 said:
True, but by the time they fix with OTA we will probably have several custom ROMs.
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Hopefully the OTA will come next week.
Prykie1995 said:
Just so you're aware, the SOC isn't simply the AA model. It's the MSM8974PROAA. The PRO means that it still has the high end 578mhz gpu. It should dominate current games, yet it doesnt. It's most definitely software related, and oneplus need to get this sorted. Stop misleading people, the phone is technically very powerful. It's Oxygen OS that's letting it down.
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PRO just defines that its a SD801 and not SD800
since they both are MSM8974
ckret said:
PRO just defines that its a SD801 and not SD800
since they both are MSM8974
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Not really sure. In all the charts I've seen online the "AA" model of the 801 has a 450mhz gpu. I've benched the X and it has the 578mhz and a clear PROAA designation. Did some tests with gaming too. Even running riptide gp2 with all the graphics settings on off/minimum, it stutters. That just shouldn't happen on ANY 800 series. Just hoping people don't underestimate what this phone "should" be capable of
Prykie1995 said:
Not really sure. In all the charts I've seen online the "AA" model of the 801 has a 450mhz gpu. I've benched the X and it has the 578mhz and a clear PROAA designation. Did some tests with gaming too. Even running riptide gp2 with all the graphics settings on off/minimum, it stutters. That just shouldn't happen on ANY 800 series. Just hoping people don't underestimate what this phone "should" be capable of
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just because it displays the frequency doesnt mean the gpu will ever reach it
indeed the soc should have a better performance. i still guess its really bad software and they will fix it in future ota
ckret said:
just because it displays the frequency doesnt mean the gpu will ever reach it
indeed the soc should have a better performance. i still guess its really bad software and they will fix it in future ota
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I this iteration of the 801 has the talent to be an absolute beast. Just need to have decent firmware to run it.
Apparently the Oxygen kernel code is so messy.
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Prykie1995 said:
Just so you're aware, the SOC isn't simply the AA model. It's the MSM8974PROAA. The PRO means that it still has the high end 578mhz gpu. It should dominate current games, yet it doesnt. It's most definitely software related, and oneplus need to get this sorted. Stop misleading people, the phone is technically very powerful. It's Oxygen OS that's letting it down.
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I far as i know the MSM8974PROAA has indeed the high GPU freq. (578 MHz) but compared to AB and AC variants it has much lower ISP freq. and RAM Memory Interface freq. I've an OPX E1003 with Antutu 5.7 3D score of ~11000, whereas the Galaxy S5 scores ~13500, so 22 percent better in gaming according to Antutu. The total antutu score is sligtly lower than of the Galaxy S5, but it seems largely to have to do with 3D performance.
But I noticed using a Usage Monitor app that Asphalt 8 really doesn't push this phone to the max (CPU and GPU wise) ánd has a low framerate (might be app specific issue). With the same Usage Monitor I found out Antutu 5.7 3D pushes the GPU freq. to the max (578 MHz) but still scores significantly below Galaxy S5. Gaming NFS Most Wanted is okey, but GTA San Andreas has lower framerates than expected. I didn't expect the differences between 2 SnapDragon 801 variants to be this big!
Hey, what AnTuTu score do you get?
I've watched few clips over youtube, people get ~365k. My tablet barely makes 310k.
Here's my score in the attached images. Any ideas what could cause that issue?
The tablet feels somehow laggish and sluggish while moving around the menus.
Bronic said:
Hey, what AnTuTu score do you get?
I've watched few clips over youtube, people get ~365k. My tablet barely makes 310k.
Here's my score in the attached images. Any ideas what could cause that issue?
The tablet feels somehow laggish and sluggish while moving around the menus.
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How long you had it? I found the performance and smoothness improved after a few days
Reuben_skelz92 said:
How long you had it? I found the performance and smoothness improved after a few days
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from sep 6, this is Korean version 256gb/LTE
Actually it's getting worse.
It just made 290k after few days of using.
However it's strange.
I got 158k at GPU like gomelkiev.
However i've got 50k CPU against 113k.
It's like some power thing, which is strange, because the tablet was on charger while doing the AnTuTu.
I can't find any performance mode toggle like on the phones.
Bronic said:
Actually it's getting worse.
It just made 290k after few days of using.
However it's strange.
I got 158k at GPU like gomelkiev.
However i've got 50k CPU against 113k.
It's like some power thing, which is strange, because the tablet was on charger while doing the AnTuTu.
I can't find any performance mode toggle like on the phones.
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Scores don't matter or mean much. As long as your happy with its performance in use no point getting stressed about numbers
Out of curiosity I ran Antutu and got
438928
132930
170660
80460
54878
I am rooted and have debloated 99 packages, so...
No other tweaks of any kind.
well, I'm using it mainly for darkness rises and it's doing fine. My worries about the low score are because at this point is not certain if it's hardware or software issue. It might be battery optimization as well as thermal issue i.e. heat sink not attached perfectly which may progress at some point.
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My score was 367k which I'm pleased with.
I also reliably score around the 365K mark. FYI that essentially identical to my note 10+
Maybe 6gb vs 8gb ram creates big difference?
But can't be 20 percent...
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from sep 6, this is Korean version 256gb/LTE
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Samsung's Korean devices have funky software and radios to work on their funky cellular networks. There's lots posted on XDA about issues people have had running Korean devices in the U.S. Korean and Chinese devices are generally considered no bueno as imports.
Try putting it in airplane mode with Wi-Fi enabled and running AnTuTu again. My EU LTE version arrives tomorrow and I'll test it for comparison.
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Samsung's Korean devices have funky software and radios to work on their funky cellular networks. There's lots posted on XDA about issues people have had running Korean devices in the U.S. Korean and Chinese devices are generally considered no bueno as imports.
Try putting it in airplane mode with Wi-Fi enabled and running AnTuTu again. My EU LTE version arrives tomorrow and I'll test it for comparison.
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airplane mode on
wifi on
I get between 440k and 450k it has to do with a program it comes with game preformance. You have to have that set on preformance. I have the 6gb version btw. I was concerned like you when I first got it, it was doing about the same as my Razer phone 2 which has a 845. Almost sent it back till I found that game preformance thing. Which also brought my 3d mark score from 4700 to 5600. That's also prolly why the guy with the rooted one gets a higher score, because that game preformance thing is removed, which lowers everything to save battery.
Just ran it again got 443259
~430k here (2 runs, pretty consistent).
Concerning the remark above, I froze quite a few things including game performance I believe so might have an influence...
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I get between 440k and 450k it has to do with a program it comes with game preformance. You have to have that set on preformance. I have the 6gb version btw. I was concerned like you when I first got it, it was doing about the same as my Razer phone 2 which has a 845. Almost sent it back till I found that game preformance thing. Which also brought my 3d mark score from 4700 to 5600. That's also prolly why the guy with the rooted one gets a higher score, because that game preformance thing is removed, which lowers everything to save battery.
Just ran it again got 443259
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Acutally, you are scoring higher than the guy that is rooted and debloated. With today's softare optimization and hardware it makes me wonder if debloating is even worth it anymore other than not wanting the crap there. Edit: I ran a test for fun and even scored higher than the rooted and debloated guy.