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I am about to buy this phone because it is just so damn good for it's very low price tag, however one thing is bugging me about it. I came here to find that there are no Marshmallow ROMs for it yet and the main reason for me wanting to upgrade my phone in the first place is so that I will be able to run the latest Android ROM's without performance problems. I am currently on CyanogenMod 13 on my old Samsung Galaxy S3 and I like it, but it is slow. The Redmi Note 2 doesn't even have CyanogenMod support.
Is this because Xiaomi are going to release an official MIUI based on Marshmallow? I don't want to buy this phone if it means I am going to be stuck on MIUI or on an older version of Android. I am a bit perplexed because this phone sold a lot so why hasn't anyone made Marshmallow for it yet?
Do you think that development is going to pick up for this device or is this device a bad option if you want to run the latest Google Android (not MIUI)?
Certainly, the RN2 is a lot of hardware for the money, but without source code, things are limited to either repacked/tweaked roms, or roms that are built from source, but have significant hardware functionality imperfections because source is not available. It doesn't seem clear to me whether Xiaomi will release a Marshmallow-based MIUI for the RN2 or not. Some people say yes, some people say no, so until it actually happens (if it ever does), who knows. I also bought the RN2 because it was so much hardware for the price, but I am also disappointed with the lack of CM and similar. This is certainly not for a lack of people not trying, but it seems like certain parts of the hardware will never become functional with CM unless the necessary source code is released. If you don't happen to use these parts of the hardware, well, maybe it doesn't matter. Personally, I have stuck with sMIUI because all the hardware is completely working, but I sure wish a CM version with all working hardware will eventually emerge.
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Certainly, the RN2 is a lot of hardware for the money, but without source code, things are limited to either repacked/tweaked roms, or roms that are built from source, but have significant hardware functionality imperfections because source is not available. It doesn't seem clear to me whether Xiaomi will release a Marshmallow-based MIUI for the RN2 or not. Some people say yes, some people say no, so until it actually happens (if it ever does), who knows. I also bought the RN2 because it was so much hardware for the price, but I am also disappointed with the lack of CM and similar. This is certainly not for a lack of people not trying, but it seems like certain parts of the hardware will never become functional with CM unless the necessary source code is released. If you don't happen to use these parts of the hardware, well, maybe it doesn't matter. Personally, I have stuck with sMIUI because all the hardware is completely working, but I sure wish a CM version with all working hardware will eventually emerge.
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Thanks for the explanation. It seems really unfortunate that they haven't released the source. I guess I should either buy the more expensive Mi4 (which I believe the source is released for) or I can just wait it out and see if the source code get's released for the RN2. It seems strange to me that they wouldn't release Marshmallow-based MIUI for such a popular, fairly new phone. I think they will release it. If they release MM-MIUI then will that enable other developers to bring stock Android Marshmallow or CyanogenMod to the RN2?
M will deffo be released for RN2. Main reason we still dont have it is:
a) first "official" device with M is supposed to be mi5
b) MTK prolly didnt polish 6.0 yet
Major companies that use X10 (eg Sony & HTC) didnt realse M for their devices either, at least as far as i know, however they are planned. So yeah M will arrive eventually, which is great, but that doesnt mean custom roms will get any better. And knowing xiaomi, and their kernel release policies, this is pretty much 100%. Pretty sure they still havent released any kernel source for their older MTK powered devices.
I think I'm going to buy the Mi4 rather because its kernel is open. I want to know that I'll be able to get android roms of any new releases. It's a real shame because the Redmi Note 2 is cheaper and a more superior device, but I have read that Mediatek are scumbags when it comes to releasing kernels because they want to force you to buy a new device when your OS becomes outdated which goes against the open source licence of Linux. Oh well, I guess that's business.
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If they release MM-MIUI then will that enable other developers to bring stock Android Marshmallow or CyanogenMod to the RN2?
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If they release MM-MIUI for the RN2, unless they release the source code, this will still mean that roms are cooked/repacked, or built from source, but probably imperfectly due to lack of source. Though MIUI is based on Android, I don't think there are free and open MIUI repositories where one could grab the necessary source code for the RN2.
At this point, like everyone said, it is very unlikely that Xiaomi will ever release the source code for the RN2. Without it, custom ROMs will never be proper, and it's the reason there are no MM builds yet.
However, even though MIUI is horrible and God knows that I hate it, it's quite usable. A version of the Xposed framework that works on the latest MIUI builds has been released a couple of days ago, and with it you can get most of the functionality a custom ROM provides. It's not perfect, and I'd prefer AOSP, but it is, IMO, the best this phone has to offer at the moment.
I only got mine about three months ago, and while there were many times I came to regret my purchase, every other phone in this price range and slightly above has inferior hardware. With that said, if you want a phone running AOSP or something very close to it, you'd be better off getting a Nexus or a device that is officially supported by CM.
Thanks all. I was just about to buy the RN2 but I am glad I posted here first. I've learnt a lot and I don't think I would be happy with a phone that has a closed source kernel. The Mi4 has a smaller screen, no SD slot, slower, and costs more, but its kernel source is released and it is supported by CM13. Still very good value for money so that's gonna be my next phone.
It actually isnt slower. Benchmarks only. If you run them side by side with either MIUI or CM youll see than Mi4 is actually much faster than RN2, so yeah, its a better option if you have the money
Oneplus x is a really nice phone , i especially like its form factor which is why i brought one just today , but i read a thread where oneplus did not release MM kernel sources and this phone's production stopped. Now i am thinking about giving it back as it would be nearly impossible for future development.
What would anyone who is a present owner suggest in such a situation ? I am only getting this phone because of its 5 inch form factor and good development team.
P.s i know onyx got some top class dev's and Nougat is already on its way, i do not doubt their potential but just this phones future development progress.
Thank you.
We don't need OnePlus for further development. We are perfectly capable of keeping it up to spec. You'll be fine. Enjoy your new toy
It's a phone. You aren't buying it for its future development, you buying it for its features and the fact that they satisfy you. Don't fall in such buyer loop.
Sent from my ONE E1001
sniper20 said:
It's a phone. You aren't buying it for its future development, you buying it for its features and the fact that they satisfy you. Don't fall in such buyer loop.
Sent from my ONE E1001
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I am a person who is easily bored out using the same rom , i like aosp but i tend to move between different roms (once a week) just because of that . The fact that this phone has CM13 , MIUI (WIP) , SAILFISH OS excited me the most. This is the only reason i look for a phone with good dev community in it which partially require OEM & Chipset supplier support to release drivers.
Of course the phone excites me but I've looped through so many phones that the phone hardware alone does not excite me anymore.
Thank you for the advise tho.
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We don't need OnePlus for further development. We are perfectly capable of keeping it up to spec. You'll be fine. Enjoy your new toy
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thank you for the reply , but might i ask why . I always thought OEM's have to release the kernel sources or the phone will have less chance to be supported by next android version because dev's have to depend on hacks to get things working which is never ideal.
tufli said:
thank you for the reply , but might i ask why . I always thought OEM's have to release the kernel sources or the phone will have less chance to be supported by next android version because dev's have to depend on hacks to get things working which is never ideal.
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No. Theoretically the only thing we need kernel wise is the DTS and a few drivers. We can pull the source for the 801 from Qualcomm themselves. We don't need an OEM outside of that
Just thought I'd make a thread about discussing the next version of Lineage OS. Lineage OS 15 is going to be out officially for our Axon 7 soon after the source code for Android 8.0 is released.
Haha how do you know that? I doubt that.
If past experience is any indication, I wouldn't expect it until about November.
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Haha how do you know that? I doubt that.
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Just from common sense - why wouldn't it be? Lineage is officially maintained for our device. It makes a TON of sense that we would get it as soon as the first official nightly builds of lineage OS 15 starts rolling out.
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Just from common sense - why wouldn't it be? Lineage is officially maintained for our device. It makes a TON of sense that we would get it as soon as the first official nightly builds of lineage OS 15 starts rolling out.
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Doesn't mean that there is always some1 to maintain the device.
Edit: BTW I don't think that blogspot pages like http://www.lineageosdownloads.com/lineage-os-15-supported-device-list/ being the best source.
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Just from common sense - why wouldn't it be? Lineage is officially maintained for our device. It makes a TON of sense that we would get it as soon as the first official nightly builds of lineage OS 15 starts rolling out.
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I don't think you understand how Android development work.
Google has to release the source (done 8-21)
SOC vendor has to adapt and do the BSP (required for this phone -- last time if they upgrade us to Treble support, but unlikely since we also need drivers for the DAC -- otherwise every release)
ZTE has to get that package and adapt it to our specific hardware devices and port of their UI and internal software
ZTE release the kernel source for the compatible version
Then there is the Lineage side
Lineage devs import AOSP
devs port all of the Lineage code and features over to new base
willing dev(s) take our device kernel source and merge over to Lineage and start doing device bring up and bug fixing
device has to be working fully before it's allowed to be called "official" on Lineage
That's a lot of steps. There is no guarantee ZTE will release the necessary support for us to even get LOS 15. Now, since the HW is similar, we might be able to get it from other devices that do (namely the OP3/3T), but that still leaves lots of issues for our more custom hardware (camera and audio). We will probably have unofficial builds that boot not super far in the future after QC release the 820 BSP, but getting the full hardware up will depend on ZTE doing a release.
This should get vastly easier once a device has Treble support (so O-launching devices and newer and the few that get backported) as long as Lineage also supports that feature.
OEM's are now required to provide support for two full yrs
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I don't think you understand how Android development work.
Google has to release the source (done 8-21)
SOC vendor has to adapt and do the BSP (required for this phone -- last time if they upgrade us to Treble support, but unlikely since we also need drivers for the DAC -- otherwise every release)
ZTE has to get that package and adapt it to our specific hardware devices and port of their UI and internal software
ZTE release the kernel source for the compatible version
Then there is the Lineage side
Lineage devs import AOSP
devs port all of the Lineage code and features over to new base
willing dev(s) take our device kernel source and merge over to Lineage and start doing device bring up and bug fixing
device has to be working fully before it's allowed to be called "official" on Lineage
That's a lot of steps. There is no guarantee ZTE will release the necessary support for us to even get LOS 15. Now, since the HW is similar, we might be able to get it from other devices that do (namely the OP3/3T), but that still leaves lots of issues for our more custom hardware (camera and audio). We will probably have unofficial builds that boot not super far in the future after QC release the 820 BSP, but getting the full hardware up will depend on ZTE doing a release.
This should get vastly easier once a device has Treble support (so O-launching devices and newer and the few that get backported) as long as Lineage also supports that feature.
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You are acting like we don't have aosp working at all. LOS 14 is working great and from there its not nearly as much work as you describe to get LOS 15 working. Yes, in the beginning it did take a lot of work but now that aosp is established, its not nearly as difficult.
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You are acting like we don't have aosp working at all. LOS 14 is working great and from there its not nearly as much work as you describe to get LOS 15 working. Yes, in the beginning it did take a lot of work but now that aosp is established, its not nearly as difficult.
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It's not about AOSP , you can't build for non Google devices without CAF which hasn't been brought up yet.. It'll be a good month or so
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No they are not, it's optional, there is no incentive for them to do so
TeutonJon78 said:
I don't think you understand how Android development work.
Google has to release the source (done 8-21)
SOC vendor has to adapt and do the BSP (required for this phone -- last time if they upgrade us to Treble support, but unlikely since we also need drivers for the DAC -- otherwise every release)
ZTE has to get that package and adapt it to our specific hardware devices and port of their UI and internal software
ZTE release the kernel source for the compatible version
Then there is the Lineage side
Lineage devs import AOSP
devs port all of the Lineage code and features over to new base
willing dev(s) take our device kernel source and merge over to Lineage and start doing device bring up and bug fixing
device has to be working fully before it's allowed to be called "official" on Lineage
That's a lot of steps. There is no guarantee ZTE will release the necessary support for us to even get LOS 15. Now, since the HW is similar, we might be able to get it from other devices that do (namely the OP3/3T), but that still leaves lots of issues for our more custom hardware (camera and audio). We will probably have unofficial builds that boot not super far in the future after QC release the 820 BSP, but getting the full hardware up will depend on ZTE doing a release.
This should get vastly easier once a device has Treble support (so O-launching devices and newer and the few that get backported) as long as Lineage also supports that feature.
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How come my Moto G 2013 still gets newest LOS then? Does that mean that Motorola still does the above things? Not questioning you, just wondering.
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You are acting like we don't have aosp working at all. LOS 14 is working great and from there its not nearly as much work as you describe to get LOS 15 working. Yes, in the beginning it did take a lot of work but now that aosp is established, its not nearly as difficult.
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You can compile AOSP for just about anything. It's getting ALL the hardware working correctly on a new release that's a problem. Sure, it might boot, but if you don't have audio or accelerated graphics, that's an issue. Once you have a working version from the vendor, then it's a lot simpler than just putting it together before that. And nothing happens if you don't have the drivers from the SoC vendors. That's why Project Treble is such a big deal, because if it works as intended, it will remove the need for those new drivers to get a new version of Android, because the HW abstraction layer will make the older drives work.
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How come my Moto G 2013 still gets newest LOS then? Does that mean that Motorola still does the above things? Not questioning you, just wondering.
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It could be that Motorola is releasing the drivers/SW updates. It really depends on the underlying hardware. If there is another device with the same hardware getting updated, those drivers can be pulled over and incorporated (the A7 has pulled a lot from the OP3). Or there are open source driver versions that could be pulled in.
Our biggest issue is that the audio chip we have isn't really on any/many other devices. So getting fully working drivers for that is a more limiting factor, than a Moto G 2013, which probably doesn't have anything outside of the standard QC SoC stuff.
And in the end, it comes down to the devs keeping stuff up to date. The Galaxy S2 is still running official LOS 14.1, because there are some crazy ass devs out there still getting stuff working on it. The more popular and easy to work a phone is, the more likely it will see longer 3rd party support. Sadly, the A7 is a little limited in both fronts combined with custom HW bits. The devs have done amazing work so far.
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You are acting like we don't have aosp working at all. LOS 14 is working great and from there its not nearly as much work as you describe to get LOS 15 working. Yes, in the beginning it did take a lot of work but now that aosp is established, its not nearly as difficult.
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I disagree that LOS on 14.x works great. I tried various builds and kernels for about 6 months. I dropped back to a rooted stock since the gpu and audio support was awful. I have a much better experience than I had on LOS or RR. I could barely even use my daydream with it.
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I disagree that LOS on 14.x works great. I tried various builds and kernels for about 6 months. I dropped back to a rooted stock since the gpu and audio support was awful. I have a much better experience than I had on LOS or RR. I could barely even use my daydream with it.
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For gamers and daydream users that could be true.
When it comes to usability, privacy and customizations the LOS based ROMs are the first choice.
The audio issues are just minimal when you combine Dolby Atmos mod with custom rom.
So have you guys taken a look at Ordenkriger's post on the boot up of Lineage 15 with all the progress and what not?
We are getting LOS 15 a.k.a Oreo for our device http://www.lineageosdownloads.com/lineage-os-15-supported-device-list/
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We are getting LOS 15 a.k.a Oreo for our device http://www.lineageosdownloads.com/lineage-os-15-supported-device-list/
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That's not an official source
bkores said:
That's not an official source
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Ordenkrieger and Unjustified Dev think's otherwise..https://forum.xda-developers.com/axon-7/how-to/oh-lineageos-15-t3668956
Well custom rom/kernel development for this device was pathetic enough now the ****ty people at asustek decided
not to update the ultra to oreo. They just updated zenfone deluxe and posted @ zentalk fourms that ultra will not be getting the oreo. Reasoing : in order to ensure the stability of ZU680KL system and user's best experience,
the company finally decided not to plan further software update to Android 8.0 system which
caused inconvenience. We are very sorry thank you for your ASUS product. Support . Well i request u all to send email or contact the asustek in anyway and make them to update the ultra to oreo . What a shame. Its one of the better devices i have owned screenshot of conversation is attached. :crying::crying:
Just awesome. I'll never buy anything from Asus ever again.
What a bunch of crooks and liars. Shame on them.
F*ck Asus. Was waiting for Oreo update for my ultra.
Well this surely pisses me off!
I'm officially learning how to build Android for our phone. I only have a few years coding experience, but I'm going to give it my all. Wish me luck boys.
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I'm officially learning how to build Android for our phone. I only have a few years coding experience, but I'm going to give it my all. Wish me luck boys.
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all the best-good luck!
while i had this device, I tried to port miui eu (deodexed) from the mi max 2 pro (same processor, resolution, graphics) but could only get to mi boot animation. Not many resources out there (mostly old and understand porting is a very case-by-case task)
might get interested in the device again if some rom development starts. Weird as it has a qcom processor but all interest is in samsung, sony, and even some smaller Chinese brands but not this one. (6.8 screen maybe) admit i have very little knowledge if any on development but tried it anyway
So that certainly means kiss off Android p. Asus definitely doesn't mind stepping on their own crank. Such a great / fast device, but it was almost abandoned from the first few months.
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hillg001 said:
So that certainly means kiss off Android p. Asus definitely doesn't mind stepping on their own crank. Such a great / fast device, but it was almost abandoned from the first few months.
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agree 100%...asus is an apt name for the company (in a way)
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Well custom rom/kernel development for this device was pathetic enough now the ****ty people at asustek decided
not to update the ultra to oreo. They just updated zenfone deluxe and posted @ zentalk fourms that ultra will not be getting the oreo. Reasoing : in order to ensure the stability of ZU680KL system and user's best experience,
the company finally decided not to plan further software update to Android 8.0 system which
caused inconvenience. We are very sorry thank you for your ASUS product. Support . Well i request u all to send email or contact the asustek in anyway and make them to update the ultra to oreo . What a shame. Its one of the better devices i have owned screenshot of conversation is attached. :crying::crying:
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Boycotting Asus pissed off...
What about rumors that Zenfone3 Ultra at last will get 8.1Oreo upgrade? Lot's messages everywhere around Jan 3rd 2019 and no word from ASUS.
Any clues?
C.MD said:
What about rumors that Zenfone3 Ultra at last will get 8.1Oreo upgrade? Lot's messages everywhere around Jan 3rd 2019 and no word from ASUS.
Any clues?
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Asus might release Android 8.1 Oreo for Zenfone 3 Ultra smartphone
Read more at: https://www.gizbot.com/mobile/news/...1-oreo-zenfone-3-ultra-smartphone-056555.html
https://www.gizbot.com/mobile/news/...1-oreo-zenfone-3-ultra-smartphone-056555.html
Yeah .. Might.
Will cross my fingers and wait. Maybe trouble with blurry and no focusing camera will be fixed at last with new update. Or not. It's ASUS
Seems Google is struggling with pixel 6 series.
First the critical Dec release was delayed/not yet reached to many ppl.
Secondly, no sign of 12L beta on pixel 6.
All is not well with 6 series.
December OTA is stopped due to connecting network issues
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December OTA is stopped due to connecting network issues
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Do you have a source for this please? Thanks.
HtcDesire2 said:
Seems Google is struggling with pixel 6 series.
First the critical Dec release was delayed/not yet reached to many ppl.
Secondly, no sign of 12L beta on pixel 6.
All is not well with 6 series.
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Google is not struggling with the P6. It is the same thing every year with a new OS and new devices.
Curious to why you want Android 12L, it is geared towards Android tablets.
vandyman said:
Google is not struggling with the P6. It is the same thing every year with a new OS and new devices.
Curious to why you want Android 12L, it is geared towards Android tablets.
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I think they do, Pixel 6 Dec patch was released 1 week after old devices (Which has not yet reached to mass - Source: https://9to5google.com/2021/12/20/does-your-pixel-6-have-the-december-2021-update-yet-poll/ ).
Android 12L beta 1 was released 2 days after the Dec patch for older devices, on Dec 8. And todays is 22nd Dec (more than a week after "so called" Dec patch release) but no sign of any 12L beta.
No comms or news about 12L beta as well, from google, for Pixel 6 series (apart from "Coming Soon" tag).
Regarding your curiosity: I bought pixel 6 just for regular updates and early access to newer version.
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Do you have a source for this please? Thanks.
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I have downloaded the december release over OTA after searching for updates. Then rolled back to november because of the problems with calls and now the december release is not offered any loger (if i search for updates).
I even think they have stopped it.
If the beta isn't today, I doubt we'll get it. Maybe we have to wait until beta 2.
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If the beta isn't today, I doubt we'll get it. Maybe we have to wait until beta 2.
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No sign so far.. and most frustrating part is no official communication at all.
Another beta released and yet nothing for pixel 6 series.
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Another beta released and yet nothing for pixel 6 series.
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google have messed up big time with the pixel 6 / 6 pro
last time i ever buy a google phone
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google have messed up big time with the pixel 6 / 6 pro
last time i ever buy a google phone
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I personally don't consider it as a mess up. Been getting Google phones since the Nexus 6 with the exception of the Pixel 4. I would only guess that there is going to be a few bumps in the road with something like 6 being that it is a whole new "phone" in sorts if you would call it that. Consider a new type of chip (not been tested much if at all), new fingerprint scanner (For Google its new and it SUCKS), a little larger phone AND I think a large portion of it is consider supply and demand with supplies with building a phone. Google has always aimed for the NEXT best thing, a sort of pioneer. I had the Pixel 5 and it was great for about 6 months then nothing but problems for me. My wife loves her 5 and doesn't like the 6. Although she can handle the little things that drive me nuts with the 5 and she can't stand the trade off for the 6, being larger and the finger print scanner that is limited to 5 unlocks a day before charging (due to the time it takes to get the hamster run fast enough on his wheel). This is just my 2 cents worth and not even worth that most of the time.
If you know of another phone manufacturer, that offers monthly updates (95%) of the time for a min of 2 years, Is vanilla android, and gets new Android versions 1st not to mention unlockable bootloaders for those who have to tinker, don't be greedy! I am sure there is a few of us that would consider trying another phone line up just to try if nothing else. Darn that is another nickels worth . OK I shut up now..
I will be happy to try beta 12L for my android tv devices. Most Android tv boxes are using out dated software.
But for the P6 it is a no for me. I just do not see any benefits for the P6.
HtcDesire2 said:
Seems Google is struggling with pixel 6 series.
First the critical Dec release was delayed/not yet reached to many ppl.
Secondly, no sign of 12L beta on pixel 6.
All is not well with 6 series.
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me neither, friend inside says the ongoing issues shouldn't have any impact or be any reason for 12L's delay for us! idk
Good news today
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Good news today
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You installed it?
Following
ATM not, maybe at this weekend.
Please write here if anyone install it. I have no WiFi for a third day, so I am thinking if installing 12L. Just want to be sure it's OK for a daily use. Main topics - how's WIFI, how's camera, how's battery life compare to regular 12 build. Thanks in advance!
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Please write here if anyone install it. I have no WiFi for a third day, so I am thinking if installing 12L. Just want to be sure it's OK for a daily use. Main topics - how's WIFI, how's camera, how's battery life compare to regular 12 build. Thanks in advance!
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I dont have those issues , if i had any i would allready installed it.
Maybe google is paying so much attention developping 12l that they forget to release stable android 12 updates...
I have already installed Android 12L. So fat Wi-Fi is working fine. Will give feedback after few days how's everything else.