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had this phone for like 17 days now.
Rooted it. Use the wifi teather app alot but thing is it ALWAYS get hot, hot enough to cook eggs. Either that or it just randomly restarts. OR wifi teather lose connection so I have to restart it which is a sign that the phone will restart in a few more minutes....let's see what else, I have a car charger that went for a ATT phone but it works on the Photon thing is it doesn't even charge the phone. Here I am %5 battery left when getting off work so I hop into my car plug the phone up so it appears charging right? but soon as I get home and disconnect the phone it turns off with%0 whatttttt!! and one more thing that crappy keyboard. I hate how they have the "." symbol beside the tab bar, it's too freaking small.
I thought I was getting the good deal here when I gave my wife the Evo and me getting a brand new shinny phone. Ha. I think I'm going to get the 3D
Update#1: wow like 20 mins later and wow the wifi timed out already had to restart it. Yeah this is really making me appreciate the Evo. This is my first Motorola phone by the way.Last.
Update#2: Just found out you can't send SMS messages while you're on the phone. The Evo did it all the time. not MSM messages but plain old text messages........on top of that I called sprint to see about sending me a HTC Evo 3D but they told me I'd have to wait till my 30 days are up(Oct 16) before they can send me a phone out BECAUSE I'm in Alaska(Army) now and of course sprint don't have a walk in store here so I can't send the phone back in to the sprint store I got it from in GA, I'd be without a phone for like 3 weeks. So Sprint high above said they would send me a 3D after my 30 days are up.......Guess it gives me more time to think about all this. I do like the design and the Extra that it's a world phone but meh I guess I want need it unless this phone works over in Afghanistan. hmmmm.
update#3 Scratch the Evo 3D.........because I'm getting the Iphone 4gs. my 30 days will be up oct 16 then sprint will send me a replacement of my choice. $199 iphone 4gs I can't wait!!!. The Photon is great but I just prefer something else with a bit more life too it. Thanks guys.
This might be right, I believe the issue comes at a point where the settings
within the WiFiTeather app for Transmit Power is at %100.
You might want to try to reduce the Transmit power and see if that helps it.
About the issue with car charging, I don't believe your alone on this,
However seeing as though this post lacks detail information regarding Current Running apps,
Services being active like 4g/wifi/BT/GPS and the power/amp going to the phone from the charger,
it might be hard to give you a definitive answer.
I also have had this issue and I can't say that it's only the photon.
All in all good luck and maybe someone here that is more advanced in power consumption will be able to shine light on this.
You won't find a phone that doesn't get really hot when tethering for a good period of time. You cant blame the phone when an accessory that isn't made for it doesn't work with it.. There are many alternative keyboards available if the stock doesn't suit you. Have fun with your 3d.
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lilrepo said:
This might be right, I believe the issue comes at a point where the settings
within the WiFiTeather app for Transmit Power is at %100.
You might want to try to reduce the Transmit power and see if that helps it.
About the issue with car charging, I don't believe your alone on this,
However seeing as though this post lacks detail information regarding Current Running apps,
Services being active like 4g/wifi/BT/GPS and the power/amp going to the phone from the charger,
it might be hard to give you a definitive answer.
I also have had this issue and I can't say that it's only the photon.
All in all good luck and maybe someone here that is more advanced in power consumption will be able to shine light on this.
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The phone is plugged up when I run wifi tether. yeah I figured it was the power option under wifi tether settings but didnt want to change anything that would stop wifi tether from working......in the car I have pandora radio playing while charging=no charge. I'm always connected to 3g. pandora/web browser and wifi tether is like the only apps I use all day...
Get the gingerbread keyboard....the stock one isn't that great. And try a different car charger, I have a generic off brand one and I've never had an issue with it working.....
A co-worker had a blackberry microusb charger at work, now A: good news is my photon battery last very very long I can get through my nine hour work day with moderate use and still have < 10%. B: The blackberry charger although plugged in and a gave charging animation, never seem to actually raise the % of power. It may have slowed it but not by a whole lot.
noob_2010 said:
had this phone for like 17 days now.
Rooted it. Use the wifi teather app alot but thing is it ALWAYS get hot, hot enough to cook eggs. Either that or it just randomly restarts. OR wifi teather lose connection so I have to restart it which is a sign that the phone will restart in a few more minutes....let's see what else, I have a car charger that went for a ATT phone but it works on the Photon thing is it doesn't even charge the phone. Here I am %5 battery left when getting off work so I hop into my car plug the phone up so it appears charging right? but soon as I get home and disconnect the phone it turns off with%0 whatttttt!! and one more thing that crappy key board. I hate how they have the "." symbol beside the space bar, it's too freaking small.
I thought I was getting the good deal here when I gave my wife the Evo and me getting a brand new shinny phone. Ha. I think I'm going to get the 3D
Update#1: wow like 20 mins later and wow the wifi timed out already had to restart it. Yeah this is really making me appreciate the Evo. This is my first Motorola phone by the way.Last.
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Like xTMFxOffshore said, you can always use gingerbread keyboard or many others. Remember, this is Android not the iPhone, you can use a different keyboard, and a different launcher... Just switch to a new keyboard, (I prefer Smart Keyboard Pro, or A.I.Type Keyboard), and you might enjoy your phone again. If you don't like Motorola's launcher try the ever-so-customizable Go Launcher / Go Launcher Ex, or Launcher Pro, or just look in the Market for more launchers. If you don't Motorola's Dialer, look in the Market for a dialer such as Rocket Dialer, or Go Contacts/Go Contacts Ex. Same applies for Browser (I like Dolphin HD Browser personally), SMS application (I like GoSMS personally), Camera application (I like the stock Camera app personally), and much more. Look in the Market. Themes for Launchers, some SMS apps, some Dialers, (both such as GoSMS/GoContacts), set the tone for the application, and make it more enjoyable.
I had the same experience with the charger, except it was a home charger. Try buying on Amazon.com, Motorola Vehicle Power Adapter micro-USB Charger and have a new car charger that works.
As for wifi tethering, lilrepo and Acvice already addressed that above. Try the Wifi Tether 3.1, beta6 app, found on the website.
Now if you follow our tips, you can fall in love with the Photon all over again.
As for the random restarts, you may have a loose battery, call Motorola and explain that to them, and for motivation tell them about the charger, (you may have to say it won't charge), and remind them that you are covered by a 1 year warranty for all parts and accessories. They will ask for your serial number/IMEI found in the About section of your phone, and send one to your home address. If you get a new battery, break it in by first draining it until your phone shuts off, charging it to 100% while off, repeat those steps again, and it will be "broken in."
Another possibility for the random restarts, is overheat protection. Your Photon will turn off / restart to prevent overheat, or when the processor gets overloaded. Try not to charge your phone while using the tether app, as that makes it hotter.
One more tip: to keep and maintain a healthy battery on all phones, Once A Month: Drain your battery until the phone shuts off, then charge it to 100% while off.
Also remember, this phone is the best in signal and call clarity.
Remember to update your PRL once a month, to get better service.
Good luck, I hope I helped! Looking forward towards your reply.
PS- You may have a faulty phone, the first couple batches of Photons were kinda iffy. Go to your point of purchase or call/email them, and you may get a free replacement. If all else fails, contact Motorola.
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The only BIG issue I had was the silent calls but hey now thats fixed other than that hmmm.... its not .2 inches bigger and it doesn't have a Samoled+ screen oh and seriously I miss the notification toggles other than that the phone has been great.
Does seem however your phone is faulty out of the many people here only a few have real issues with the phone
noob_2010 said:
had this phone for like 17 days now.
Rooted it. Use the wifi teather app alot but thing is it ALWAYS get hot, hot enough to cook eggs. Either that or it just randomly restarts. OR wifi teather lose connection so I have to restart it which is a sign that the phone will restart in a few more minutes....let's see what else, I have a car charger that went for a ATT phone but it works on the Photon thing is it doesn't even charge the phone. Here I am %5 battery left when getting off work so I hop into my car plug the phone up so it appears charging right? but soon as I get home and disconnect the phone it turns off with%0 whatttttt!! and one more thing that crappy key board. I hate how they have the "." symbol beside the space bar, it's too freaking small.
I thought I was getting the good deal here when I gave my wife the Evo and me getting a brand new shinny phone. Ha. I think I'm going to get the 3D
Update#1: wow like 20 mins later and wow the wifi timed out already had to restart it. Yeah this is really making me appreciate the Evo. This is my first Motorola phone by the way.Last.
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Came from a BB 9650. I had an XPERT and hated it.
Got the Photon and had the same issues you have.
After the updates it was much better but still getting hot. I finally exchanged it and now running the same apps no more heat issues.
I had a problem with entering TXT or dialing and that was an app crashing the phone. Not sure what app but I went back to bare minimum including a fair number of apps and an exchange email client and no more issues.
I think you need to exchange the phone before you make a final decision.
My last 4 phones (Tilt, Fuze, Evo and Mopho) all get hot tethering, you are, more or less, draining the battery at a high rate of speed!. 2nd, there are a MILLION different options for another keybord, use one of the suggestions here or search until you find one YOU like. As far as restarts, one, you rooted it, two, its possible you have a broken phone?
Lastly (and trust me, I learned the HARD way!) Not all chargers are alike!! A friend of mine quit and left his BB charger and I figured I would use it for Evo. I could use that thing till the cows came home before I got maybe 30 or 40%? Even though the spec's looked the same, my chargers worked. Ended up using BB charger for bluetooth.
i would have to agree with everyone as well, my OG droid would get so hot i could barely even touch it, after about 15 minutes of WIFI tethering the battery would hit the 60c range and shortly turn off, even look at dedicated WIFI hotspots that are designed to be used constantly they get just as hot ( i had a mifi from Verizon, and i have a sprint 4g hotspot for work both get very hot)my mifi would slow to a crawwwwwl after about 6 hours of use till it cooled down. this is going to happen anytime you stick something like wifi in such a small form factor feel your wifi router at home its hot too and it at least has some notches for passive cooling. the fact of the matter is that all phones were not designed to do this long term. enjoy your 3d as its going to be the same deal for you.
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@noob2010, please check my revised post on page 1 of this thread.
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Deedscreen!
deedscreen said:
@noob2010, please check my revised post on page 1 of this thread.
Thanks,
Deedscreen!
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Love the MoPho signature, that's bang'n! Also, I'm getting this kit on Thursday. I'm excited. I hear the radio is exceptional and being blanketed in 4G like I am, it would be nice to pull a consistent 12Mbps. I can pull 8Mbps consistently with the OG Epic 4G so, hopefully this is even better!
abowlby said:
Love the MoPho signature, that's bang'n! Also, I'm getting this kit on Thursday. I'm excited. I hear the radio is exceptional and being blanketed in 4G like I am, it would be nice to pull a consistent 12Mbps. I can pull 8Mbps consistently with the OG Epic 4G so, hopefully this is even better!
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Thanks, it's custom made by myself... If you want something like this, PM me and I can work on something of your design... (when I get home.)
As for the 4G, Sprint is working hard with LightSquared on new 4G LTE, this may work with our phones, many users say no, but I've spoken to Motorola & Sprint Reps, and they have all said yes.
The radios are great! Call quality is superb! Motorola is best with these radio chips. We are packing a Tegra 2 dual core processor.
noefects said:
i would have to agree with everyone as well, my OG droid would get so hot i could barely even touch it, after about 15 minutes of WIFI tethering the battery would hit the 60c range and shortly turn off, even look at dedicated WIFI hotspots that are designed to be used constantly they get just as hot ( i had a mifi from Verizon, and i have a sprint 4g hotspot for work both get very hot)my mifi would slow to a crawwwwwl after about 6 hours of use till it cooled down. this is going to happen anytime you stick something like wifi in such a small form factor feel your wifi router at home its hot too and it at least has some notches for passive cooling. the fact of the matter is that all phones were not designed to do this long term. enjoy your 3d as its going to be the same deal for you.
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My wife and I have the overdrive and even that thing gets smoking hot
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My EVO 4G would get very hot after tethering for some time, it's gonna happen no matter what phone you get since (as said before) you're draining the battery at a high rate.
There are tons of keyboards on the Android Market, you just need to find the one you like best. I personally use Thumb Keyboard.
My HTC Evo used to cook my eggs when I would tether. It's just one of those things that come along with tethering. This phone does has it's flaws but crappy, I think not.
noob_2010 said:
had this phone for like 17 days now.
Rooted it. Use the wifi teather app alot but thing is it ALWAYS get hot, hot enough to cook eggs. Either that or it just randomly restarts. OR wifi teather lose connection so I have to restart it which is a sign that the phone will restart in a few more minutes....let's see what else, I have a car charger that went for a ATT phone but it works on the Photon thing is it doesn't even charge the phone. Here I am %5 battery left when getting off work so I hop into my car plug the phone up so it appears charging right? but soon as I get home and disconnect the phone it turns off with%0 whatttttt!! and one more thing that crappy key board. I hate how they have the "." symbol beside the space bar, it's too freaking small.
I thought I was getting the good deal here when I gave my wife the Evo and me getting a brand new shinny phone. Ha. I think I'm going to get the 3D
Update#1: wow like 20 mins later and wow the wifi timed out already had to restart it. Yeah this is really making me appreciate the Evo. This is my first Motorola phone by the way.Last.
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Don't do it man I came from the evo3d to the photon. The evo3d gets hot just from internet browsing and phone calls alone and don't get me started on how it gets when you use GPS the only things that the evo3d has on the photon is sense 3.0 and more custom roms and kernels photon has better signal, call quality, wayyyyy louder speaker, stock battery life and camera. This is android. remember you can change damn near anything on ur phone that you don't like
If you take the time to look for it.
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I heard horrible reviews about heat issues with the 3D. So that just confirms it more.
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noob_2010 said:
had this phone for like 17 days now.
Rooted it. Use the wifi teather app alot but thing is it ALWAYS get hot, hot enough to cook eggs. Either that or it just randomly restarts. OR wifi teather lose connection so I have to restart it which is a sign that the phone will restart in a few more minutes....let's see what else, I have a car charger that went for a ATT phone but it works on the Photon thing is it doesn't even charge the phone. Here I am %5 battery left when getting off work so I hop into my car plug the phone up so it appears charging right? but soon as I get home and disconnect the phone it turns off with%0 whatttttt!! and one more thing that crappy key board. I hate how they have the "." symbol beside the space bar, it's too freaking small.
I thought I was getting the good deal here when I gave my wife the Evo and me getting a brand new shinny phone. Ha. I think I'm going to get the 3D
Update#1: wow like 20 mins later and wow the wifi timed out already had to restart it. Yeah this is really making me appreciate the Evo. This is my first Motorola phone by the way.Last.
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I hate to be a complete **** and rain on your flaming parade, but next time do your research before complaining about issues caused by you and blaming them on the phone.
Hi all,
Please let me know if any of you have had a similar experience or know of a way to fix these issues permanently short of getting a new phone? I can't afford to get a new one, especially since I need this soon for a trip and I don't have the time. All the other services work fine, it's just really annoying because I use the GPS often and it's inconvenient when I don't know when I can actually use my phone at all
I've owned and used an HTC Rezound without trouble for the past two years and now, suddenly, I'm having a couple major issues. First, the USB port on the phone has a loose connection (it's an extmicro usb for whatever reason). I know because it would not charge the phone unless I jiggle the male end around until the amber light showed up and even then, it would occasionally drain in stead of charge the battery. It has nothing to do with how clean the port is either because I cleaned it already and it did improve slightly. After I've been dealing with this for a couple days (I've gotten it to charge up the phone to be useful most of the time), the GPS started to have trouble connecting. At first it was ok after I turned the switch off then on, but then the day after it never found any signal. I mean leaving it on for hours never getting a signal from anything in places where it used to lock on very quickly. I've tried restarting, turning off any other GPS services (google's and verizon's), clearing google map cache, uninstalling google maps, clearing the (apparently nonexistant) A-GPS cache, downloading GPS status, and tightening the screws on the inside cover (I know that fix is not for this phone, but it was worth a shot), and combinations thereof.
thanks in advance for any help you guys could provide,
-TZ
My boss had the issue with charging port. It was a loose connection on the board, if you are comfortable, use a tiny bit of solder to strengthen the connection again. That fixed it for him. Another fix is utilize the expanded wireless charging option (have to buy the special connector to have it work).
Another fix is buy the laza batteries and external battery charger, I Did that to make less stress on the charging port. I got two OEM size 1590mah batteries and charger for $20 off Amazon. Once one goes down below ~30% I switch to the other battery. The external charger takes about 3-4hrs to fully charge a near dead 1590 battery.
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Thank you, Uzephi, I'll try fixing the connection. Also, I swapped batteries with another working rezound and my phone turned on with the charged one, but the other phone wouldn't take a charge. So that might mean the battery is dead. I'm ordering a new battery just to make sure it's not that too, but I feel like the port is majorly at fault. It doesn't make sense that the battery's health would depend on the position of the charging port.
I'm still puzzled about the GPS, though.
Ok... so I opened up the phone and tried finding a loose connection with a voltmeter/ohmmeter, but it appears the the problem is inside the housing of the usb port. I can't get in there easily without breaking stuff, at least to my knowledge. Does anybody have some suggestions? Uzephi, where exactly did your boss do the soldering? Even if I were to solder the outside connections, they are so close together it is easy to make a short.
Thanks again.
We have a mobile phone repair shop down the street, they soldered the connection for us
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I had the same problem with the charging port. Started just like you said and eventually it went out completely. No longer charges at all. Now having to use external charger and swap batteries all the time. Really sucks (for me and the rom). Tried to find someway or someone to replace it but no one would touch it. Apparently Htc didn't figure in the fact that they're charging port wouldn't hold up and made it near impossible to repair. Sorry, i know this doesn't help but just wanted to share my similar experience with the battery. Sort of a, abandon all hope, situation.
On the Rezound, the USB charging port is replaceable. The terminals slide into a connector, and then the tabs on the USB assembly are soldered to the board. Not really hard to replace if you are know how. I believe you can find a youtube video on the replacement. Best way to remove the broken port is using a small tip on a heat gun applying no more heat then necessary so that the solder tabs on the board are not loosened. Part:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-HTC...e_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item35ca3c2f15
Your problem with the GPS is probably the same as mine. Google pushed out a new maps program that got rid of the Navigation shortcut. The new Navigation works altogether different now. You have to get into Maps to get to Navigation. Honestly, I could not even get it to work, so I and many other people have gone into settings and removed the updates from the Maps program. It now works the old way, but all of the updates that made Maps and Navigation stable are now gone. Now it is a pain in the butt because it takes forever for the GPS to find a signal, and sometime it does not.
I have been going to look on the forum to see if anyone has a way to go back to the Maps/with Navigation before Google screwed it all up.
I have the charging port issue. My workaround was to buy the wireless charging back from Verizon ($40 - 25% corporate discount for me = $30) and a Qi wireless charging plate (which goes for pretty cheap these days). That setup has worked quite well for me.
For the GPS issues, make sure you're on the latest firmware. I used to have the GPS drop out all the time on older firmware versions, but with the latest global OTA I have no complaints.
All of these suggestions are great, thank you.
I did end up getting an external battery charger, but I tried re-soldering the connections to the motherboard first, as I noticed under a microscope that the connections were almost free-floating. The soldering worked like a charm, but the real issue was that the housing had become loose enough to put strain on the connections. So, after a while of the port working again, it started the breakdown cycle again. By then, I had tried finding port replacements, but I could only find bulk orders of the things, costing much more than a $10 external charger + extra battery.
As for the GPS, I tried downloading a GPS assist and if I use that before I turn on the GPS, I get much better results. It's still flaky, but usable. I have a feeling it is as you said, t5800512, google messing around too much, because the device itself (even now) can easily get a cold-start lock in under 3 seconds.
October Edition just arrived, 6 months late, but it did arrive and it did work (albeit with the additional Cradle not in the box)
Charged, set up email to send myself the Google Play apk; double clicked it and everything worked fine. Activated my Android and all working well.
Downloaded some apps, inc spotify and mapmyrun. Added a sim card and sd card - not well designed really. The galaxy s5 shows how simple it is to do and retain waterproofing. The Omate, with tiny fiddly screws, rubber bits, non symetrical cover etc was something I hope not to have to do again; which renders my spare battery a bit pointless. I was expecting to pop off the back and swap a drained battery for a charged one, as I can do on a mobile.
However, with battery at 67% went for a 1 hour run and with GPS, Wifi, Data and Bluetooth active (music to BT Headphones and running data being tracked) battery only went down 20% - impressive! and confirmed I can give up the GPS watch...
All good, but definitely some sticking points. Wifi at one point wouldn't re-activate, without a long reboot. The keyboard can drive you insane, especially entering masked passwords - the keyboard can be supersensitive and fire off several characters at once by accident, so you have to start again. The 'show passwords' option doesn't always work.
The navigation seems awkward and inconsistent - i wish there was a back button, the swipe left often triggers an option or menu unintentionally so you have to go back twice and when the same thing happens again, it's not long before you give up and press the home button...
Maybe it's just some getting used to - day 1 and all that!
Overall this is an incredible piece of tech and will be a big benefit to my lifestyle. It requires a change of thinking I suspect, but one that is welcome, so overall I am very pleased with the first impression.
I think the answer to your question about whether you have day 1 frustrations is: yes and no.
I put on Lokifish's latest ROM and did a few other tweaks (principally Daniel Ortiz's recommended GPS fix) and then started from there. I played with the out-of-the-box version for a total of two minutes before I became monumentally frustrated with the sensitivity of the touch screen, and the keyboard seemed to trigger letters even when I was just hovering over the screen trying to make a more accurate 'tap'. Maybe it was placebo effect but the Lokifish ROM seemed to be better calibrated, though I still avoid using the keyboard for anything other than tapping in passwords to get accounts setup.
The first app that gave me an inkling that the TS is a 'keeper' is Runkeeper. (pun!) I'm actually not so much of a runner, but I use Runkeeper on my main device to track my cycling and I log my circuit and swim training data on the web which integrates across the other apps I use to collect and manage fitness data (Withings Body Analyzer, Myfitnesspal, Fitbit). The thought of being able to dispense with multiple tracking apps/devices and perhaps even leaving the big phone at home (the Z1s doesn't have the brightest screen anyway) was one of the main draws of the TrueSmart. But the real 'killer app' feature for me was the ability to use this TrueSmart as an 'all day wearer' *and* have it work in-water to capture swim data. But After six months of waiting (like you) and seeing the not-really-waterproof drama unfold, I was pretty much ready to put this thing on eBay on day 0.
However, Runkeeper/Ride with GPS plus Cyril Preiss' "SWApps" has just about sold me on keeping the device, or at least rekindled my interest enough to see whether its worth pursuing some form of aftermarket waterproofing approach. (currently being hashed out in another thread here)
So in essence I concur with/confirm your findings. I still haven't found out how to get the auto-correct to behave on the keyboard, but I think that's as much about taking a grand-daddy step back to understand how the Fleksy is designed, and how to properly inflect the gestures to keep things from getting out-of-hand (pun!). I remember having *some* of the same trouble when going from the iPhone 4s to the Xperia Z1 (before the Z1s) and that keyboard drove me kuh-ray-zee until I figured out the whole swipe-your-finger-to-spell-the-word thing worked. Then suddenly I wondered how anyone would type on one of these things any other way.
So - I'm coming around to seeing the advantages of the TrueSmart, and more to the point *really* understanding why Lokifish, Cyril, Kurt, Daniel and so many others here see in the platform - and continue to invest time and effort into it.
Oh - and as to the battery drain, I just ran my TS down to 15% and then connected it to a Waka Waka to charge, and while I didn't have it timed it's already back to 100%. Solar powered smartwatch - now we're talkin'. So instead of thinking about a snap-in/out solution for the battery I'm looking at/for a 'gator glip' charger cable or some other light-weight charger connection for the TS (I thought I saw them online somewhere, and OMate was offering them at first - I'd prefer that to the case for workout/outdoor activities where space is a premium). I'm also looking into how to/whether I can set up profiles that are more like "give me what you got" versus "all-day wearer" mode. On the Sony Xperia Z1s there's a "Stamina Mode" which tamps down on battery drain, but can also kill functionality of apps that are not in the foreground (bad news for Panobike cycling cadence meter, etc) so while I have *some* apps exempted from Stamina Mode, when I'm doing a dedicated outing I just switch it off completely - knowing that I'm going to be putting the device on charge by either using one of the portable packs I'm carrying with me - or when I get back to the car.
Anyway, food for thought...
Thanks for the reply, it's good to share tips and tricks!
I saw that Loki has actually abandoned TrueSmart. Frustrations with their updates and lack of support I think.
Primarily for me this watch was a replacement sports tracker, but my hopes for an all-purpose watch are not looking good as the blue-tooth tethering is not working with my S5; it pairs successfully, but doesn't connect, so the TrueSmart Master app is useless.
The TS also doesn't connect to my BT headset for voice, but it did connect with the JayBird headphones (although the cutting out was super irritating).
In Summary - BlueTooth not reliable and will be a deal-breaker as I would have to carry my phone anyway.
Couple with the infuriating keyboard and inconsistent navigation, (I've now tried the LMT dial thing, which also doesn't work properly) I'm losing interest fast - which is a shame as it could be so good.
For charging, my GPS watch uses a clip as you describe. So much better than the cradle which renders the watch inaccessible while it's charging. But why not a simple USB port with a cover, like the S5....(a proper waterproof phone). Even the solar charger will then require carrying two separate items for the TS...
You can set up profiles on an app called Easy Battery Saver - I used it on my last phone and installed it for TS. It works as described and easy to activate/de-activate.
I will keep with the TS a while longer, but I suspect the next Galaxy Gear, which is rumoured to be stand-alone, will be what we are really looking for...
Hope to hear more from you - I will post my next findings on the TS too.
lphovercraft said:
I think the answer to your question about whether you have day 1 frustrations is: yes and no.
I put on Lokifish's latest ROM and did a few other tweaks (principally Daniel Ortiz's recommended GPS fix) and then started from there. I played with the out-of-the-box version for a total of two minutes before I became monumentally frustrated with the sensitivity of the touch screen, and the keyboard seemed to trigger letters even when I was just hovering over the screen trying to make a more accurate 'tap'. Maybe it was placebo effect but the Lokifish ROM seemed to be better calibrated, though I still avoid using the keyboard for anything other than tapping in passwords to get accounts setup.
The first app that gave me an inkling that the TS is a 'keeper' is Runkeeper. (pun!) I'm actually not so much of a runner, but I use Runkeeper on my main device to track my cycling and I log my circuit and swim training data on the web which integrates across the other apps I use to collect and manage fitness data (Withings Body Analyzer, Myfitnesspal, Fitbit). The thought of being able to dispense with multiple tracking apps/devices and perhaps even leaving the big phone at home (the Z1s doesn't have the brightest screen anyway) was one of the main draws of the TrueSmart. But the real 'killer app' feature for me was the ability to use this TrueSmart as an 'all day wearer' *and* have it work in-water to capture swim data. But After six months of waiting (like you) and seeing the not-really-waterproof drama unfold, I was pretty much ready to put this thing on eBay on day 0.
However, Runkeeper/Ride with GPS plus Cyril Preiss' "SWApps" has just about sold me on keeping the device, or at least rekindled my interest enough to see whether its worth pursuing some form of aftermarket waterproofing approach. (currently being hashed out in another thread here)
So in essence I concur with/confirm your findings. I still haven't found out how to get the auto-correct to behave on the keyboard, but I think that's as much about taking a grand-daddy step back to understand how the Fleksy is designed, and how to properly inflect the gestures to keep things from getting out-of-hand (pun!). I remember having *some* of the same trouble when going from the iPhone 4s to the Xperia Z1 (before the Z1s) and that keyboard drove me kuh-ray-zee until I figured out the whole swipe-your-finger-to-spell-the-word thing worked. Then suddenly I wondered how anyone would type on one of these things any other way.
So - I'm coming around to seeing the advantages of the TrueSmart, and more to the point *really* understanding why Lokifish, Cyril, Kurt, Daniel and so many others here see in the platform - and continue to invest time and effort into it.
Oh - and as to the battery drain, I just ran my TS down to 15% and then connected it to a Waka Waka to charge, and while I didn't have it timed it's already back to 100%. Solar powered smartwatch - now we're talkin'. So instead of thinking about a snap-in/out solution for the battery I'm looking at/for a 'gator glip' charger cable or some other light-weight charger connection for the TS (I thought I saw them online somewhere, and OMate was offering them at first - I'd prefer that to the case for workout/outdoor activities where space is a premium). I'm also looking into how to/whether I can set up profiles that are more like "give me what you got" versus "all-day wearer" mode. On the Sony Xperia Z1s there's a "Stamina Mode" which tamps down on battery drain, but can also kill functionality of apps that are not in the foreground (bad news for Panobike cycling cadence meter, etc) so while I have *some* apps exempted from Stamina Mode, when I'm doing a dedicated outing I just switch it off completely - knowing that I'm going to be putting the device on charge by either using one of the portable packs I'm carrying with me - or when I get back to the car.
Anyway, food for thought...
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More success with BT pairing
More success today - got the bt headset (MyVoice 312) paired for calls, plus the jabra sport wireless+ bt headphones for music.... both devices paired and switch automatically when powering on and off.
Galaxy S5 also paired, but no joy with the SWAPPS app. I will keep trying with that, but it's actually a low priority since I have a sim for the TS ($10 per month for second sim with same number as primary sim)
Tonight I hope to try the Endomondo app on the TS paired with the Jabras, since they have a special feature that gives realtime data from the app when pushing a button on the headphones.
I can see it's going to take a while with the TS, but the tech is really good and offers a lot of promise. It's all about expectations I guess.
If the BT goes all intermittent again tonight I will be v disappointed as this is a basic but critical feature.
One problem I have had after exercising is that if you hand/fingers are sweaty then the TS goes nuts when you touch the screen - there really needs a sensitivity option (like on the S5)
Any pointers for best option for gaining Root Access to Omate TS? I notice that you have flashed Loki's 'latest' ROM, so presumably you have Rooted and flashed a Custom Recovery??
Best way to proceed--I would be grateful for a 'Heads-Up'.
BTW--I have, today, just received my October Dev Edition 1 GB 8 Gb 2100 Mhz version--and am looking at flashing Loki's ROM 20140328--is that the one to which you are referring?? or, do you have a different device version?
Any pointers--gratefully received.
I can't help you with the technical nuts and bolts as I am going to keep it all simple and hopefully working. No ROM flashes, install PlayStore and get your BT headset working.
Just that alone gives you a mobile on your wrist which is pretty damn cool for checking email, facebook, text, whatsapp and voice calls. Plus spotify, endomondo and maps!
The keyboard is a problem though, being so sensitive. And if it's raining, forget using it at all - not because of the water resistance, but because the screen just goes crazy with the water drops.
I am going to try Google Search/Voice to see if I can use voice commands on it.
Anyone else had luck with using voice?
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Any pointers for best option for gaining Root Access to Omate TS? I notice that you have flashed Loki's 'latest' ROM, so presumably you have Rooted and flashed a Custom Recovery??
Best way to proceed--I would be grateful for a 'Heads-Up'.
BTW--I have, today, just received my October Dev Edition 1 GB 8 Gb 2100 Mhz version--and am looking at flashing Loki's ROM 20140328--is that the one to which you are referring?? or, do you have a different device version?
Any pointers--gratefully received.
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Hey guys, I'm like a dev October backer and I get my watch this week-end. I have just started it today and after reading the lokifish topic I don't think it is a good idea for us to use our watches until we flashed a ROM with a secure kernel (the kernel of the 1/8/2100 is unsecure).
If you want to root your TS there is tons of solutions as it i a mediatek chip.
Can you recommend me a BT Headphone to par with my TS.
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Can you recommend me a BT Headphone to par with my TS.
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I'm using Backbeat Go 2 with my TS, I love the "minimalistic" approach to it. When not used I wear them like a necklace (you can attach the earbuds to eachother) and it's not in the way the slightest. It works great for taking phone calls, and I've tried it with both walking, biking and running with no issues. Volume controls, checking battery level, taking calls and such works great from the remote. Battery life is ok:ish, maybe a bit more than 3 hours total listening time. That is if you play music or talk on the phone non-stop, with moderate use (taking a few phonecalls during the day and similar) they last for days.
From what I hear the Backbeat Go 2 is more or less a ripoff of Jaybird Bluebuds X headphone (looks very similar), but the Jaybirds have better battery life, fits more securely in your ear for sporting and such - not that I ever had issues with that. The main thing that made me go with the Backbeat though is that it's about half the price.
Ok thanks. I'm gonna give a look to this.
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After going through two Backbeats (not the Go, think it was 903 or something similar) I can state they are useless for exercising with, no resistance to water or sweat.
I then tried a pair of Philips SHB6017/10 and lasted a month before starting to randomly calling strange numbers due to shorting out. I'm not a sweaty person, honest!
Finally settled on Jabra Sport and they're awesome, have been using them for a year now.
Thanks to Amazon who refunded and replaced every single failed headphone, even sending out the replacements before I'd sent in the dead ones.
Cheers,
Andreas
I was actually playing around with the voice commands, you do have to setup loads of Google Apps, like Google search and Maps etc and give it permission to everything but it does work... I highly recommend using Nova launcher as it places the Mic search option right on the home screen.... which launches Google search... "Ok Google" and you're off.... I'm not sure how to get it to recognise OK Google without first having started the search app... Anyway some of my favourite things to ask for....
Take me home.... (Starts maps navigation)
Play some music (starts Google music and tries to play music)
Order Pizza (finds the nearest dominos)
What is iPhone (reads out definition of an iphone)
I know all the reviews said this phone got slightly warm due to the screen, but in my nearly year-long stint of owning this phone, I find that remark to have been grossly misrepresented. When charging, my phone gets extremely hot on the power button. After charging, it takes a good 5-10 minutes to cool off. While the phone is hot, (and I mean HOT,) the phone hiccups, stutters, and can become totally unresponsive. Applications act up, etc.
When I attempt wireless charging with my add-on receiver, things get infinitely worse. I cannot charge with the screen on and data connected.
In my car, I connect via BT to my car, my audio receiver, and my OB2 scanner. That doesn't seem to be a problem, other than BT being sometimes flaky. I have a wireless charger in my car, but I only used it once -- no point. Now, even with my 2.1a charger, I cannot keep my G3 topped-off while using GPS and streaming Spotify. The phone practically melts. Things are better when I'm blasting the A/C on it straight from a vent, (and worse if I try to use my heater in cold months.
Basically this thing is in a perpetual state of overheating. I have had three of these. My last unit overheated so badly that the screen became discolored. You might say that I expect too much from my phone, but my M7 had no issue, and my S5 did not overheat. I had to give up the Sammy for other reasons.
I have made various tweaks in the past in attempt to counter the sluggishness due to heat, but that's dangerous--and likely why my last phone actually failed. I decided to leave that alone and deal with the crippling slowness. Even something as simple as swiping a word on the Google Keyboard becomes impossible.
My question to you guys, is do you notice this burden on a daily basis? Perhaps the average person that doesn't need a charger all day can keep this beast cool? I am strongly considering the S6 because of the reports flooding in of how hot the Snap 810 runs compared to the Exy. What are your thoughts?
I haven't seen this behavior at all. I've had little blips of hotness, but I almost think it's more environmental in some cases. Certainly not while charging, and I routinely leave it plugged in while I'm using it or watching Netflix or something. I'm sure you've thought about this, but are you sure it's not your charger? Does it overheat after a full factory reset (i.e. out of the box)? If not, what specific add-ons and/or ROMs do you use?
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I haven't seen this behavior at all. I've had little blips of hotness, but I almost think it's more environmental in some cases. Certainly not while charging, and I routinely leave it plugged in while I'm using it or watching Netflix or something. I'm sure you've thought about this, but are you sure it's not your charger? Does it overheat after a full factory reset (i.e. out of the box)? If not, what specific add-ons and/or ROMs do you use?
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Due to the nature of DC, the charger cannot be the culprit in terms of overheating. Not staying topped off? Sure, but not the heat. The phone regulates all of that.
You are telling me that you can stream Spotify (highest setting for me,) and Google navigation, and your phone doesn't get blisteringly hot? I've been charging on the cable (instead of wireless,) to get my phone up from 93%, with the screen completely off, and it's pretty warm on the power button right now.
I am running stock ROM, (though rooted.) I have used various G3s, various ROMs, completely stock, various chargers, you name it. No matter what, this phone gets furiously hot when the screen stays on. Even using it as a clock on my desk causes it to heat up like no one's business. Streaming a movie causes it to get pretty damn hot. It seems like the environment of the car being warmer, and GPS being used with data is the main culprit. Like the internal heatsinks/paths become overwhelmed.
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I know all the reviews said this phone got slightly warm due to the screen, but in my nearly year-long stint of owning this phone, I find that remark to have been grossly misrepresented. When charging, my phone gets extremely hot on the power button. After charging, it takes a good 5-10 minutes to cool off. While the phone is hot, (and I mean HOT,) the phone hiccups, stutters, and can become totally unresponsive. Applications act up, etc.
When I attempt wireless charging with my add-on receiver, things get infinitely worse. I cannot charge with the screen on and data connected.
In my car, I connect via BT to my car, my audio receiver, and my OB2 scanner. That doesn't seem to be a problem, other than BT being sometimes flaky. I have a wireless charger in my car, but I only used it once -- no point. Now, even with my 2.1a charger, I cannot keep my G3 topped-off while using GPS and streaming Spotify. The phone practically melts. Things are better when I'm blasting the A/C on it straight from a vent, (and worse if I try to use my heater in cold months.
Basically this thing is in a perpetual state of overheating. I have had three of these. My last unit overheated so badly that the screen became discolored. You might say that I expect too much from my phone, but my M7 had no issue, and my S5 did not overheat. I had to give up the Sammy for other reasons.
I have made various tweaks in the past in attempt to counter the sluggishness due to heat, but that's dangerous--and likely why my last phone actually failed. I decided to leave that alone and deal with the crippling slowness. Even something as simple as swiping a word on the Google Keyboard becomes impossible.
My question to you guys, is do you notice this burden on a daily basis? Perhaps the average person that doesn't need a charger all day can keep this beast cool? I am strongly considering the S6 because of the reports flooding in of how hot the Snap 810 runs compared to the Exy. What are your thoughts?
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A simple solution might just be buying an external charger and spare battery combination and never use the phone for charging.
I have always bought external battery chargers and hot swapped a fully charged battery and put my dead battery on the external wall charger when I go to sleep.
Hope this helps.
(I've been buying Anker chargers & batteries on Amazon with success)
I think you're right. However I likely won't keep this phone much longer. S6 Active or G4 are calling my name...
Hi,
I noticed my xperia 1 mark III is overheating even in normal use, especially in 120Hz mode. I hope sony will fix it as this device is really scalding.
It really burns!
This is the hottest device I ever had
Software version: 61.0.A.11.23
You're burning up your battery. Time is of the essence, resolve this issue fast. Shutdown the phone if it gets too hot!!!
Auto thermal shutdown may not protect the display/mobo especially if in hot ambient temperatures, in direct sunlight, or when charging.
Keep brightness at 50% or less.
Factory reset.
If that fails...
Find the apks or/and services causing to high drain.
If that fails, return the device.
The clock is ticking, Mr Wick tic-tok...
This is a serious problem. I took some photos and videos (4k and slowmotion) while standing in the sun. Outside temperature was about 23°C (73°F). After about 5 minutes I got an overheat message.
An app that I installed earlier registered an internal temperature of 40.5°c. It felt really hot to (while in a bumper case).
After I put the phone on a granite kitchen table it cooled down in about 10 minutes.
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This is a serious problem. I took some photos and videos (4k and slowmotion) while standing in the sun. Outside temperature was about 23°C (73°F). After about 5 minutes I got an overheat message.
An app that I installed earlier registered an internal temperature of 40.5°c. It felt really hot to (while in a bumper case).
After I put the phone on a granite kitchen table it cooled down in about 10 minutes.
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It is serious. Turn off the phone when it feels very warm before it goes over temperature.
Using a AMOLED display in direct sunlight is never a good plan. Limit it to seconds of use.
I have had this same problem since I got it to the point where I got an alert that some apps would be shutdown.
US Version purchased from Adoroma in the states : 61.0.A.11.23
Just another aggravating issue with this phone. Some are having boot loops of a sort also! What is wrong with these companies? Can they not produce a decent product anymore? 1300.00 and it's junk???????????
I am getting overheating as well, a little warm most of the time I use the phone.
Definitely was the 120hz display turned on. Less warm when the 60.
When using the wireless charger.
Anytime I use the cameras.
I am on the latest update as well.
Hm, very intriguing issue with $1300 flagship smartphone from such a respectable brand. I had similar problem with Xperia 1 II in several occasions. And... I think I know what's the problem (not bloody hot SD888 as you might suggest!). Please have a good look at dissasembly video:
Then compare it with $390 LG V60 ThinQ disassembly video from the same guy. Spot the difference! And it is - missing cooling system on Xperia 1 II / 1 III whereas LG V60 has quite big copper vapour chamber! Maybe that's why my LG V60 never gets really hot. So the question is ... WTF are you doing SONY?!
Well, I just sent back my first Pixel - 5A - for overheating. I have been watching the 1 iii and the 5 iii as a possible purchase...but I am turned off by the dedicated assistant button that might possibly be remappable... but for sure I will NOT buy either of these mark 3 phones if they overheat! Makes me sick just how badly most new phones are functioning.
Yeah same, it seems to turn off randomly when using the cameras and when 120HZ screen is on.
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Yeah same, it seems to turn off randomly when using the cameras and when 120HZ screen is on.
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I think it's the case for warranty replacement or even return if possible. This is one of the reason why I don't buy expensive brand new phones parallel imported (not officially sold in my country). Just because it means no proper warranty, no service, no nothing.
My Xperia 1 III is getting extremely hot even when taking photos (only 2-3) then get message about hot temperature and apps shutting down.
I use Streamlabs mostly (sometimes Prism) to broadcast to YouTube, foundthe phone almost useless! Overheating in seconds from start of s stream! I'm using my old Samsung Note 10 again as Sony wasn't simply useful.
Now I found a solution to it (sorry solution is too big word)
- I've turned "object tracking" off in camera
- I've turned autofocus on in camera
- I've turned 120hz off
Today we had hot day here in UK (27 Celcius ) I did my tests.
Streamlabs at 1080p , 7000kbps , 30fps run outdoor for about an hour smoothly. Connected to charger started to overheat.
Not to mention that tethering makes it hot quickly (so with Samsung).
Prism at 1080p 60fps run smoothly for couple of minutes and then crashed.
Didn't connect the charger.
I use Streamlabs to transmit 5-6 hours of stream into YouTube using mobile network in most if the times and whilst driving (so changing stations constantly)
I found that using WiFi it doesn't get as hot.
Also charging makes it very hot - SONY advertised it as able to by powered directly by a charger without charging battery, how and where do I find that option?
Is it available using car charger with quick charge 3.0?
I like the phone , like the shape , size and feel to it. Camera is OK (I own Sony a6500 )
Hate the fact of poor selfie camera in such expensive phone (I do live streams using selfie cam too)
Right I've ordered a return of my phone and have 30 days to send it back what alternatives do I have? Really like the SONY if it wasn't overheating I'd love it. Is there a solution to it? Cooler anything?
The things I like about the phone are:
*shape and overall feel in hand
*Cameras are ok don't really see if they great quality or not will still use my a6500 camera.
*Like the fact that can use sd card
*Love finger print reader in power button and seperate camera button
*like the fact that there's no rounded edges - hate them in my Samsung Note
I blame my problems with overheating by poorly made apps not the phone itself and not sure changing the phone will change it.
What are the options should I consider? Samsung S21 Ultra ? iPhone 12,13?
I'm a SONY fan and had many if their phones and that's why I'm looking for a solution otherwise would send it back straight away...
Can anyone help me with my problem?
Many thanks
Bart
Unfortunately greedy sony didn't provide any cooling solution to mark 3... Check disassembly videos, there is no any cooling solution at all, like you will find in asus - small vapor chamber etc. Literally nothing!
They knew snap 888 is overheating. They must have tested this device before releasing it, isn't it?
But no, still didn't apply any cooling solution. And that's a big shame and huge problem of this device.
Not sure if qualcomm provide any updated drivers to assess this problem or not. Or if sony will try to fix it. So far they did nothing and still it overheats. Mine too and you are right by saying that on 3G/5G it is hotter than on wifi.
I wonder how they can market battery as capable and better for 3 years with such hot device. Temperature of course has huge negative impact on battery longevity.
Sad but true
I'm quite shocked! Thanks for the info about disassembly videos...
I'm thinking if getting a cooler which you attach to the body.
What I forgot to mention that cameras itself (the lenses) don't get that hot is the area under them and closer to the centre. So must be processor and lack of cooling system.
Not sure what to do...
We have a hot weather now so I will test it intensively (if I was a Sony tester I'd never allow for the phone to be released like this).
Heating problems is why I keep saying that for any SOC/CPU/GPU manufacturer to keep upping the speeds of these things is STUPID! I can virtually guarantee that from now on every new CPU produced by all OEM's is going to overheat! Have you ever walked into a data center, with hundreds of servers running? You have to wear ear protection because the roar of all the internal cooling fans is deafening!
So then "we" attempt to put similar CPU's inside a device the size of a small remote control WITHOUT a fan and wonder why it overheats? There are only so many ways to keep the phone(s) cool. Use them while frozen solid in a block of ice, or better yet, stop running so many CPU/GPU intensive apps all at the same time. It's simple thermodynamics at work here. The more you have running at the same time, the harder the SOC needs to work, the hotter it is going to run. Another solution, that is literally unacceptable to most people, is to code in a lowering of the speed of the SOC. If this needs to be done then it becomes very clear that building a new, faster SOC every year is STUPID!
One more thing... I've heard that Xperia 1III is capable of powering the phone directly without battery charging to lower the heat...Does anyone know how do I turn this future on?
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One more thing... I've heard that Xperia 1III is capable of powering the phone directly without battery charging to lower the heat...Does anyone know how do I turn this future on?
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This is applicable with the game enhancer. You can add some apps there and when you open it, you can enable HS power control. Also sony just release a new firmware that answer you with this issue.. you can check my video
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One more thing... I've heard that Xperia 1III is capable of powering the phone directly without battery charging to lower the heat...Does anyone know how do I turn this future on?
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Have to sit at the outlet all the time? or how will this happen?
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This is applicable with the game enhancer. You can add some apps there and when you open it, you can enable HS power control. Also sony just release a new firmware that answer you with this issue.. you can check my video
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Thanks a lot , tomorrow I will be testing - doing long live stream on YouTube using Streamlabs, I always keep my phone under charger as I drive HGV sometimes for 3-4hrs non stop so battery would die.
It also going to be hot day here in UK and having the phone close to windscreen won't help - I know I shouldn't complain about overheating in such circumstances but my phone overheats even when taking photos although I have a feeling that after last system update its looking better , also as I mentioned before switching off object tracking has improved how smooth camera works using Streamlabs and Prism.
I'm considering buying a cooler for my phone too.
I will post my report tomorrow of how it went.
Many thanks
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Have to sit at the outlet all the time? or how will this happen?
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I found the future now in Game Enhancer app, you can power it directly. Not sure how it will perform yet. Tomorrow will send my report.
I often run streaming app in the background and not sure if Game Enhancer will work that way. I run nav app (Sygic Truck).
Heat problem has gone down significantly for me after the latest update yesterday. Usually the phone got really warm even with me just browsing using Chrome or going through Facebook. Now even when playing ROK or Mobile Legends it doesn't get that warm.