I just noticed that, GSMAREANA reported: "Headphones dropped the loudness to way below average, while introducing an average amount of stereo crosstalk and a bit of intermodulation distortion. Not a disastrous showing by any means, but not one worth writing home about. And if you own a pair of high-impedance headphones you might want to keep in mind that you might struggle to achieve high volume levels."
does anyone (who own the phone) notice this?
im about buying it, but i'm worried i will regret cuz i always use wired headphones and dont want go near wireless ones.
Johan_Khan said:
I just noticed that, GSMAREANA reported: "Headphones dropped the loudness to way below average, while introducing an average amount of stereo crosstalk and a bit of intermodulation distortion. Not a disastrous showing by any means, but not one worth writing home about. And if you own a pair of high-impedance headphones you might want to keep in mind that you might struggle to achieve high volume levels."
does anyone (who own the phone) notice this?
im about buying it, but i'm worried i will regret cuz i always use wired headphones and dont want go near wireless ones.
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Stock sounds are pretty low, but you can use the Mi headphone enhancements to amp up the audio and also use the equaliser to tune the music to your preference. It has the same amp as the Mi A2 (or A1 if you're very used it). The only phone able to surpass this on my audio Technica high impedence headphones is the LG G7 ThinQ, which is quite obvious. It isn't very extraordinaty, but nothing to complain about. Most reviewers don't check out all features and most of all, Xiaomi hasn't made it easy to find the enhancement settings
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Stock sounds are pretty low, but you can use the Mi headphone enhancements to amp up the audio and also use the equaliser to tune the music to your preference. It has the same amp as the Mi A2 (or A1 if you're very used it). The only phone able to surpass this on my audio Technica high impedence headphones is the LG G7 ThinQ, which is quite obvious. It isn't very extraordinaty, but nothing to complain about. Most reviewers don't check out all features and most of all, Xiaomi hasn't made it easy to find the enhancement settings
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Thanks for the replay, may I ask did you tried it, or some did try it, I don't want to regret after I buy it.
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Stock sounds are pretty low, but you can use the Mi headphone enhancements to amp up the audio and also use the equaliser to tune the music to your preference. It has the same amp as the Mi A2 (or A1 if you're very used it). The only phone able to surpass this on my audio Technica high impedence headphones is the LG G7 ThinQ, which is quite obvious. It isn't very extraordinaty, but nothing to complain about. Most reviewers don't check out all features and most of all, Xiaomi hasn't made it easy to find the enhancement settings
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I own the phone and would be surprised if it really had the sane audio setup as the MiA1 or A2, may I request you to share the source of tbis information.
I own a LG V20 myself and the audio quad dac was the biggest reason I wasn't giving it up, already have the f1 too but knowing it has the audio capabilities will help me take the plunge of giving up V20
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I own the phone and would be surprised if it really had the sane audio setup as the MiA1 or A2, may I request you to share the source of tbis information.
I own a LG V20 myself and the audio quad dac was the biggest reason I wasn't giving it up, already have the f1 too but knowing it has the audio capabilities will help me take the plunge of giving up V20
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I have the Poco F1 and also the MiA1 and the MiA2 and the LG G7. This is my personal experience. But I got to say, don't go into the phone expecting extraordinaty sounds like more expensive phones. If you had already used MiA1 or A2, you would know exactly what to expect. It is nothing compared to the
LG and that's what I said earlier
iamsabresh said:
I have the Poco F1 and also the MiA1 and the MiA2 and the LG G7. This is my personal experience. But I got to say, don't go into the phone expecting extraordinaty sounds like more expensive phones. If you had already used MiA1 or A2, you would know exactly what to expect. It is nothing compared to the
LG and that's what I said earlier
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Thanks for the response, and yeah certainly not expecting an experience at the level of LG's quad dac, but even something similar to MiA1 will be quite good
I tried it in my car using Bluetooth and output is pretty low. I had increase the volume to 15-16 to be able to hear anything.
I am planning to purchase POCO F1, and I am currently using Lenovo P2. I found it weird that in GSMArena review, the objective lab test numbers for audio are worse than that of Lenovo P2, when tested with headphones.
Now Lenovo P2 doesn't have a custom DAC as far as I know, and most probably be relying on SD625 embedded one.
1. So how can the above result of POCO F1 be correct, when it had SD845 Audio and POCO Claims it has a dedicated amp for 3.5mm jack as well as DiracHD tuning?
2. Or is there difference in output with the various modes in MIUI Headphone enhancements in settings?
Experienced hands please let us know. Thanks.
Because Xiaomi didn't implement Snapdragon DAC into MIUI. If anyone need the DAC for High Impedance output, just try Neutron or Poweramp Music Player.
But, be careful, sometimes because Hi-Res output came from DAC directly, volume can be too loud. Reduce your media volume first before trying
Don't worry about the sound. Someone will make a good mod in a month. So be patient. Sound mods will arrive soon and utilize the SD845 sound properly
My mi5 sounded much better than this packing a snapdragon 820 very let down by the headphone jack quality it lacks all the punch in base and clear highs i got from my mi5 :[§ hope someone makes a dac mod which enables the true potential of sd845
Will Neutron Player be able to exploit SD845 DAC? Or is there any other player readily available in PlayStore that can do it?
Johan_Khan said:
I just noticed that, GSMAREANA reported: "Headphones dropped the loudness to way below average, while introducing an average amount of stereo crosstalk and a bit of intermodulation distortion. Not a disastrous showing by any means, but not one worth writing home about. And if you own a pair of high-impedance headphones you might want to keep in mind that you might struggle to achieve high volume levels."
does anyone (who own the phone) notice this?
im about buying it, but i'm worried i will regret cuz i always use wired headphones and dont want go near wireless ones.
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Yes I am using and this problem caused after recent update and Xiaomi- POCO INDIA AND GLOBAL told us via their twitter account that fix is coming soon.
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Yes I am using and this problem caused after recent update and Xiaomi- POCO INDIA AND GLOBAL told us via their twitter account that fix is coming soon.
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Could you share the Tweet link?
I hope Dolby support in MIUI 10 would give us also the ability to drive higher impedance headphones.
I had Mi A1 which used to have that output until Xiaomi murdered its sound quality last May.
I tried a flac song on sennheiser hd598, and compared against my LG V20, the sound quality was good and closeto what my V20 drives, on the poco had to punp up the volume a bit though.
Not really an audiophile, but the audio output was not bad by any means.
I'm using the Pocophone F1 with Beyerdynamic dt770 pro 80 ohm headphones and even if quality is not perfect as my other phone (Vivo X21UD) volume is similar
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Will Neutron Player be able to exploit SD845 DAC? Or is there any other player readily available in PlayStore that can do it?
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Poweramp can also do it. Until now, only those 2 players that can output Hi-Res Output directly from Snapdragon DAC.
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Could you share the Tweet link?
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Sure
https://twitter.com/atytse/status/1037700537268023296?s=19
http://en.miui.com/thread-3754917-1-1.html
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Sure
https://twitter.com/atytse/status/1037700537268023296?s=19
http://en.miui.com/thread-3754917-1-1.html
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Its just deals with the pubg audio bug
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Usually I carry a FiiO amp (I have three different models). I use them with my Note 3 and have various headphones ( Audio Technica ATH M50, V-Moda M100 and V-Moda XS, Beats Solo 2). On full amplification via the FiiO and depending on genre, I like the V-Moda XS and FiiO E18 the best. I would rate it a 9 for clarity and depth on portable device (I'm not huge into Ibiza levels of bass). So i walk into the T-Mobile store and hook up the V-Moda XS right to the phone and set the amplification to the highest setting. I would rate it a solid 8.5 (again for portable application). Although to a newbie not typically used to listening on good headphones they would probably rate it a 20.
Basically as is, the V10 makes carrying a headphone AMP a bit unnecessary now. By the way, I paid $160 for that FiiO E18 headphone amp a year ago but the going rate was over $200. The big selling point was that it was made for Android and you could switch to different tracks using the side mounted buttons on the FiiO instead of having to take the phone out, unlock the screen and move to a different track. For whatever reasons, all headphone cords don't work with all music apps on Android.
All that being said, is the V10 the best in class phone for not just camera functionality but audio playback?
I know the new HTC and Samsung Note 5 have a few advantages of their own. I'm curious to see if anyone thinks these are better on audio than the V10 based on experience.
I gave the Note 5 a quick listen, and V10 beats it IMHO. Had a fiio e18 too, good little amp.
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The V10 will hands-down have the best audio performance of any phone to date. However, the question has been raised as to whether or not the ESS DAC/amp are active 24/7. It seems some apps use the standard Snapdragon DAC instead (typically streaming apps). Local content works fine as far as I can tell, and I may have found a workaround to force the ESS DAC on a session-by-session basis, but it might be something that can also be forced via software modifications produced by developers later on.
Well that's good to hear since I won't be going back to Samsung since they ditched SD card and removable battery.
One thing I thought of, the V-Moda XS is known for having a compact folding design that has "military" grade impact resistance and all around durable build quality. Which are similar selling points for the V10. Right out of the box, this is a great sound pairing. Some say the Beats Solo2 is on par with V-Moda XS on sound, but given the plastic build quality it's not really the same value for the money.
Yes, some apps aren't working. Tidal is gtg fortunately. Sounds pretty damn good too.
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The V10 will hands-down have the best audio performance of any phone to date. However, the question has been raised as to whether or not the ESS DAC/amp are active 24/7. It seems some apps use the standard Snapdragon DAC instead (typically streaming apps). Local content works fine as far as I can tell, and I may have found a workaround to force the ESS DAC on a session-by-session basis, but it might be something that can also be forced via software modifications produced by developers later on.
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I was wondering about that too. Let me touch on my experience a bit.
A couple of things for reference: I briefly tested the DAC with my Sennheiser Momentum, and then with my HD 650 without any intermediary signal processing. Also, I believe that the 32 bit is an overkill, so signal-wise I don't consider this better than a 16-bit DAC for practical purposes. Still, I like having it just because it's there. My comparison is between the V10 and a Nexus 4, as well as a FiiO E07K + Little Dot Mark III at times.
So, the Momentum: of course the Momentum run well and loud, since they are easily run. DAC-wise, I do notice some added clarity and soundstage with Hi Fi on using FLACS and 320 kbps files (nothing major, but it's there, as expected). All good.
Now, for the HD 650: the V10 with Hi Fi on will do an automatic impedance/power match, which is really nice for volume control normalization. In the end, the V10 makes the FiiO e07k useless, because the HD 650 sound fine, loud, and equally clear on the phone. Now here is the thing: we know that Spotify is not affected by the Hi Fi toggle, yet the sound is equally loud and clear on the HD 650 than with Hi Fi on using local files. When I turn Hi Fi off, the amp can't power the headphones nearly as well (or at all), impedance match ends, and the volume and clarity go down.
In short, Spotify with Hi Fi off = Local files with Hi Fi on, even though it's supposedly not affected by it.
What that means to me is that they could be doing a Beats maneuver, and lowering audio quality on Hi Fi off on local files to really give people the feel that turning it on affects music. On the other hand, it could mean that Spotify (or other 3rd party, streaming apps) simply bypass the toggle and just run on the amp/dac's full power regardless. Proof of the latter would be that my Nexus 4 (and some other phones I've tested) simply cannot drive the HD 650 at the level that the V10 does on Spotify. I mean, I can barely reach a mediocre volume on the Nexus 4 maxed out.
Keep in mind that this is my initial impression, and I haven't done an in-depth sound test yet. That said, I'm very happy with the V10 regardless, since it can effortlessly power my HD 650 without having to carry an external amp/dac combo.
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What that means to me is that they could be doing a Beats maneuver, and lowering audio quality on Hi Fi off on local files to really give people the feel that turning it on affects music. On the other hand, it could mean that Spotify (or other 3rd party, streaming apps) simply bypass the toggle and just run on the amp/dac's full power regardless. Proof of the latter would be that my Nexus 4 (and some other phones I've tested) simply cannot drive the HD 650 at the level that the V10 does on Spotify. I mean, I can barely reach a mediocre volume on the Nexus 4 maxed out.
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I don't think they lower quality for hi-fi off. It simply uses a completely different DAC. It defaults to the Qualcomm Snapdragon DAC... which is low quality.
jamor414 said:
I don't think they lower quality for hi-fi off. It simply uses a completely different DAC. It defaults to the Qualcomm Snapdragon DAC... which is low quality.
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That's what it's supposed to be like, so I'm inclined to believe it. My question is whether Spotify is really using the ESS, even if it was not supposed to. More of a curiosity than anything.
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That's what it's supposed to be like, so I'm inclined to believe it. My question is whether Spotify is really using the ESS, even if it was not supposed to. More of a curiosity than anything.
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Inclined to believe what?
Someone reported getting 3rd party apps like spotify to use the ESS dac with toggling tricks so it's definitely possible that it was using the ESS dac.
jamor414 said:
Inclined to believe what?
Someone reported getting 3rd party apps like spotify to use the ESS dac with toggling tricks so it's definitely possible that it was using the ESS dac.
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Of course it's possible, but I have yet to find a 100% sure response. Not that it's a big deal anyways, since the audio is fine regardless.
By the way, can you send a link to the report? I want to test it.
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Of course it's possible, but I have yet to find a 100% sure response. Not that it's a big deal anyways, since the audio is fine regardless.
By the way, can you send a link to the report? I want to test it.
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http://www.head-fi.org/t/782706/lg-...gship-android-phone-from-lg/465#post_12047691
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http://www.head-fi.org/t/782706/lg-...gship-android-phone-from-lg/465#post_12047691
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Thanks. That guy is saying something similar to what I said. Difference is, I didn't even have to overlap local file playing to trigger the amp/dac with Spotify. It just goes and it can't be turned off in any way, which is fine with me. But without any more information of course I was going to have initial doubts about it.
Can the v10 replace a standalone music player?
Kakuz said:
I was wondering about that too. Let me touch on my experience a bit.
A couple of things for reference: I briefly tested the DAC with my Sennheiser Momentum, and then with my HD 650 without any intermediary signal processing. Also, I believe that the 32 bit is an overkill, so signal-wise I don't consider this better than a 16-bit DAC for practical purposes. Still, I like having it just because it's there. My comparison is between the V10 and a Nexus 4, as well as a FiiO E07K + Little Dot Mark III at times.
So, the Momentum: of course the Momentum run well and loud, since they are easily run. DAC-wise, I do notice some added clarity and soundstage with Hi Fi on using FLACS and 320 kbps files (nothing major, but it's there, as expected). All good.
Now, for the HD 650: the V10 with Hi Fi on will do an automatic impedance/power match, which is really nice for volume control normalization. In the end, the V10 makes the FiiO e07k useless, because the HD 650 sound fine, loud, and equally clear on the phone. Now here is the thing: we know that Spotify is not affected by the Hi Fi toggle, yet the sound is equally loud and clear on the HD 650 than with Hi Fi on using local files. When I turn Hi Fi off, the amp can't power the headphones nearly as well (or at all), impedance match ends, and the volume and clarity go down.
In short, Spotify with Hi Fi off = Local files with Hi Fi on, even though it's supposedly not affected by it.
What that means to me is that they could be doing a Beats maneuver, and lowering audio quality on Hi Fi off on local files to really give people the feel that turning it on affects music. On the other hand, it could mean that Spotify (or other 3rd party, streaming apps) simply bypass the toggle and just run on the amp/dac's full power regardless. Proof of the latter would be that my Nexus 4 (and some other phones I've tested) simply cannot drive the HD 650 at the level that the V10 does on Spotify. I mean, I can barely reach a mediocre volume on the Nexus 4 maxed out.
Keep in mind that this is my initial impression, and I haven't done an in-depth sound test yet. That said, I'm very happy with the V10 regardless, since it can effortlessly power my HD 650 without having to carry an external amp/dac combo.
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Do you think the v10 can match something like a Fiio X3? I normally have to carry my phone and the Fiio X3. It'd be great to be able to carry just one device and not have to sacrifice decent sound quality.
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Do you think the v10 can match something like a Fiio X3? I normally have to carry my phone and the Fiio X3. It'd be great to be able to carry just one device and not have to sacrifice decent sound quality.
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I found this in another forum:
"I have had about 2 days to seriously listen to the V10 with a variety of different headphones and I've continued to be blown away. It puts the iPhone 6/6s to shame and even embarrasses (what I thought to be excellent) Samsung GS6E+/Note 5. I'm typing this in my bed listening to London Grammar's "Flickers" with my LCD-3 and V10. I'm amazed that a) a phone could power these cans as well as the V10 does and b) that there is such excellent instrument separation, transparency, soundstage, and quickness from a smartphone DAC/amp combo. I'd choose this over a FiiO X1/X3/(even) an X5. Until you get into the Questyle/AK territory, this thing is just as competent as any DAP. With TIDAL!"
And with that, I'm in
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I found this in another forum:
"I have had about 2 days to seriously listen to the V10 with a variety of different headphones and I've continued to be blown away. It puts the iPhone 6/6s to shame and even embarrasses (what I thought to be excellent) Samsung GS6E+/Note 5. I'm typing this in my bed listening to London Grammar's "Flickers" with my LCD-3 and V10. I'm amazed that a) a phone could power these cans as well as the V10 does and b) that there is such excellent instrument separation, transparency, soundstage, and quickness from a smartphone DAC/amp combo. I'd choose this over a FiiO X1/X3/(even) an X5. Until you get into the Questyle/AK territory, this thing is just as competent as any DAP. With TIDAL!"
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I'll see if I can get one tomorrow and test for myself.
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Do you think the v10 can match something like a Fiio X3? I normally have to carry my phone and the Fiio X3. It'd be great to be able to carry just one device and not have to sacrifice decent sound quality.
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I have a Fiio e07K that I used to use on the go. The V10 does just as well, or maybe even better, than the Fiio. Assuming the X3 is comparable to the e07k (haven't tested it), I would just stick to the V10 and reduce bulk.
I think I'll sell the e07K now.
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I have a Fiio e07K that I used to use on the go. The V10 do just as well, or maybe even better, than the Fiio. Assuming the X3 is comparable to the e07k (haven't tested it), I would just stick to the V10 and reduce bulk.
I think I'll sell the e07K now.
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I think I'll sell my x3 as well.
Maybe it's possible that the V10 uses the ESS amplifier not matter what DAC is used. I've never noticed a difference between DACs for the most part... my PC sound card (Xonar Essence STX), Schiit Uber stack, and V10 all sound the same. Note5 honestly sounded about the same too. Maybe I just have insensitive ears or can't pick out the differences yet, but my AKG K812's are clearly the best sounding audio equipment I've ever heard, and I try to be critical in details of just about anything I hear sound through (apart from the source components). 320kbps .mp3's suit me just fine too.
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Maybe it's possible that the V10 uses the ESS amplifier not matter what DAC is used. I've never noticed a difference between DACs for the most part... my PC sound card (Xonar Essence STX), Schiit Uber stack, and V10 all sound the same. Note5 honestly sounded about the same too. Maybe I just have insensitive ears or can't pick out the differences yet, but my AKG K812's are clearly the best sounding audio equipment I've ever heard, and I try to be critical in details of just about anything I hear sound through (apart from the source components). 320kbps .mp3's suit me just fine too.
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mp3 normally sounds a bit more noisy and a lot of the details i look for are normally not present. then again, my hearing is pretty good. so I do notice the diffrence between mp3 at 320kbps and flac. At most times I don't listen to my music at high volumes either and then the missing stuff becomes more apparent.
I can tell the difference using Koss Portapro with 192kbps ogg.
The sound is more transparent than G4.
Using N6P for the last few days, N6P sound output from the headphone jack is poor, it gets loud but quality is lacking, N6P doesn’t even have the power to drive high efficiency headphones (high sensitivity (dbl/mW or dbl/W) and low impedance (ohms)), I listen on my Triple Fi 10 headphones (Input Sensitivity - 117dB/mW; Impedance - 32 ohms) and the sound quality is disappointing.
I am coming from N6, N6 has very good sound quality from the headphone jack, N6 has the power to drive my Triple Fi 10 and doesn’t need an Amp.
PhoneArena measured the N6 at .98 volts and the 6P is .34 volts, for comparison IP6+ is 1.014 volts
See below comments from Head-fi forum about the poor sound quality:
“The 6P's sound is extremely forward and punchy, but has a real digital grittiness to it. Almost like running through a preamp with the gain wound up too far, with a weird high mid resonance that eventually becomes fatiguing. The weird grit sort of reminds me of my motherboard's onboard Realtek sound, from circa mid-2000s. It feels like the frequency response is not flat at all, I'm expecting tests to show a big peak around high mids to low treble. It's kind of like listening on cheap earbuds.”
http://www.head-fi.org/t/785067/nexus-5x-and-6p-sound-quality/30
I hate to return N6P as I love the phone otherwise, but sound quality is very important to me as I listen to music a lot.
The 6p has so many strong points, wouldn't it be worth using a headphone amp instead of returning the entire thing? Obviously that won't solve audio quality, but investing in an iPod or a walkman isn't too bad when your then able to use IMO the best android phone of 2015...
Get high quality Bluetooth headset. I have jaybird x2 and sounds beautiful connected.
Jamie bell said:
The 6p has so many strong points, wouldn't it be worth using a headphone amp instead of returning the entire thing? Obviously that won't solve audio quality, but investing in an iPod or a walkman isn't too bad when your then able to use IMO the best android phone of 2015...
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Must listen to this guy.
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I couldn't tell you the last time I plugged in headphones... No to wires!
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Only use them on airplanes!
im very happy with my Nexus 6P and headphone jack sound quality with my vmoda headphones. I use poweramp to listen to music and used one of the apps preset equalizers, sound quality is great to me, I've also used it during phones calls and it sounds just fine.
ga9213 said:
Get high quality Bluetooth headset. I have jaybird x2 and sounds beautiful connected.
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I couldn't tell you the last time I plugged in headphones... No to wires!
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Bluetooth is not there yet in terms of music quality, I have tried and returned 10 -12 bluetooth headphones in the last year including Jay bird x, they are no match to the good quality wired headsets like my Triple Fi 10, you won’t get any sound stage on Bluetooth headphones.
Sony’s new high resolution Bluetooth headphones are promising but it needs LDAC codec support on the phone, also these headphones are expensive at $399.
I wonder if someday we will see a pair of cans sporting USB-C with an inline Digital to Analog converter. There would be many benefits to this really. I could see a trackpad that supports gestures or scrobbling, etc.
I understand that as for high end audiophile one can spend thousands in the pursuit of audio bliss. But as for my common daily use my 6P with Viper and my JayBird X and Bose sounds is just fine:good::good::good:
Get poweramp and apply these settings.
People still use those headphone jacks? Hmmm... Interesting
anglerstock said:
Get poweramp and apply these settings.
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Thanks for the suggestion, but software enhancements mostly ruins music experience, I prefer to listen the music the way musician intended to..
I used poweramp but prefer Neutron - the best music player on Android..
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People still use those headphone jacks? Hmmm... Interesting
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yes...only if you listen to real music..and have a discerning ears..
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yes...only if you listen to real music..and have a discerning ears..
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Real music you say? Lol so those with discerning ears don't use Bluetooth? #snobbery
If you wish to listen to music "as musicians intended" then you can only get inside their collective heads to hear it. Everything else is influenced and changed by acoustics, recording, engineering and production.
Jamie bell said:
The 6p has so many strong points, wouldn't it be worth using a headphone amp instead of returning the entire thing? Obviously that won't solve audio quality, but investing in an iPod or a walkman isn't too bad when your then able to use IMO the best android phone of 2015...
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agree that 6p has many strong points, but amp defeats the portability, a premium phone ($700 - 128gb with tax) in 2015 should give a decent sound quality, what's the point of 128gb storage if it can't output decent sound.
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If you wish to listen to music "as musicians intended" then you can only get inside their collective heads to hear it. Everything else is influenced and changed by acoustics, recording, engineering and production.
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the way you described is not possible, that's why you want to buy a device with better DAC and use good quality headphones and you can be as close as possible to the musicians intent..
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Real music you say? Lol so those with discerning ears don't use Bluetooth? #snobbery
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you are not so bright, are you?
Why Bluetooth Audio Used To (and Still Largely) Sucks:
The problem with Bluetooth audio has always been digital compression: in order to send your audio to your headphones, you were forced to sacrifice quality. Traditionally, especially on older devices and with older Bluetooth versions, this meant the sound was so badly compressed that the result sounded robotic, buzzy, noisy, and all around awful. Listening to podcasts and spoken word through them wasn't a big deal, but when it came to music, they were just the worst. You got none of the richness or warmth of sound that a pair of wired headphones offers.
if you're the type who really enjoys listening—and I mean actively listening—to music on high-quality headphones, and you use terms like "soundstage" and "frequency response" to judge one pair of headphones over another, you may be disappointed, especially when you compare your wireless listening experience to a wired one.
http://lifehacker.com/does-bluetooth-audio-still-suck-1505063323
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the way you described is not possible, that's why you want to buy a device with better DAC and use good quality headphones and you can be as close as possible to the musicians intent..
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My comment was not a flame. The difference is that I see all this as impossible for the very reasons I gave. Perhaps Steve Albini can make this clearer: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep05/articles/albini.htm
What do you think about the RN4(SD) audio quality? Bass? How clear is it? Is it loud? Ty for answers!
It's above average
It's loud enough for music and gaming....
Though sometimes you can block the audio from the speaker while gaming or watching movie....
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It's loud enough for music and gaming....
Though sometimes you can block the audio from the speaker while gaming or watching movie....
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Sorry, I want to know the quality over Heaphones/Earphones.
DarthFater said:
Sorry, I want to know the quality over Heaphones/Earphones.
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Sound quality of Rn4 [SD] is awesome. You'll get some pre-defined sound settings to set according to your headphone or ear phone. I've tested my Samsung earphone with standard setting and the output was awesome.
DarthFater said:
Sorry, I want to know the quality over Heaphones/Earphones.
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You even A.R.I.S.E bro ?
Winnie_The_Pooh said:
Sound quality of Rn4 [SD] is awesome. You'll get some pre-defined sound settings to set according to your headphone or ear phone. I've tested my Samsung earphone with standard setting and the output was awesome.
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Ty for the answer, I'm gonna buy it !
Hi I am Rupesh from India and I am searching for best android phone for music and found redmi note 4.
Previously I have used redmi h1s and the sound quality was very poor I mean the sound from external speakers and headphones was very low and so can I think note 4 also does the same.
What does Rn4 [SD] mean because you're saying that Rn4 [SD] provides highest sound quality but I am going to buy redmi note 4 with snap Dragon processor. Does both the products are same.
rupeshforu3 said:
What does Rn4 [SD] mean because you're saying that Rn4 [SD] provides highest sound quality but I am going to buy redmi note 4 with snap Dragon processor. Does both the products are same.
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Yes. "SD" stands for Snapdragon.
SD here, quality of the speaker is below average in my honest opinion in 2017, it is somewhat loud but quality is not good and forget bass. In headphones is the worst I remember using, there are some settings you can tweak to get a better sound quality but nothing major. If you want to get a phone for its audio capabilities don't get this one. Get a Htc or even a samsung...
For the first time I am hearing that redmi note 4 doesn't provide high quality sound. You have suggested that there are some tweaks and settings for obtaining high quality sound and so please suggest those settings or tweaks or atleast link which describes those.
I heard about sound mods like Dolby digital plus etc., which maximize sound quality and so please suggest about those. I also heard the term rockbox and so please suggest about it. Is it possible to install at a time two to three sound mods at a time.
Can you suggest best soundmods for redmi note 4.
I don't have used cheap devices before, this is my first cheap phone I buy New, my other phones were EX-flagship Used phones, I've had HTC, Sony, LG. And the quality of audio is way better on those phones. As of tweaks I'm talking about those build in inside on the settings of miui 8.
Install Viper audio and you're golden. My Note 4X has amazing sound via headphones with VIPER
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SD here, quality of the speaker is below average in my honest opinion in 2017, it is somewhat loud but quality is not good and forget bass. In headphones is the worst I remember using, there are some settings you can tweak to get a better sound quality but nothing major. If you want to get a phone for its audio capabilities don't get this one. Get a Htc or even a samsung...
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LOL MAN . note 4x got a good amp with 24 bit dac . u just need a good headphone to listen . not a creepy one . its batter than even mi5
I have recently bought a Poco F1 and I need a good pair of earphones. I have a Samsung earphone, but I am afraid to use it. The last time I was in a Xiaomi service centre for my Mi A1, one of the technicians suggested me not to use Samsung earphones. He said the headphone jack on Samsung has a bit different shape even though 3.5mm headphone jack is universal. Samsung 3.5mm jacks are a bit narrow on the edge and thick at the bottom/end. Due to this structure, if it's pushed hard, the 3.5mm port may get damaged or loosen in a long run. After hearing this, I stopped using Samsung earphones (except Samsung devices) and now I am looking for a earphones which can produce perfect balanced music (not heavy bass or heavy treble). I was thinking of going for Xiaomi earphones, but the reviews are not good. Can someone please help me??
Thank you!!
I bought some Xiaomi Mi Youth earphones. Only about€5 and really nice sound quality (especially with the phone set to the right EQ for the earphones in settings)
Depends a bit on your taste, and the situation you want to use them.
For my home, I use a Sony MDR-10RNC, they are amazing in terms of sound quality. And I also got them pretty cheap, like 50 dollars, they were originally like 200 so I got a pretty got deal, sadly since they are also a bit old, like 6 years, you might have trouble to find them on that price.
For exterior, I use Bluetooth headphones, the Jaybird X2 you can find them also around the same price, or X1 cheaper, they sound quite great for bluetooth headphones, they are sweat proof, but I have use them on rains and never had a problem with them. They also deliver very good sound with poco, and to me they are very practical for subway or streets.
Hope it was from help!
Still using my Klipsch S4A II edition. Nice sound especially when listening to music with Viper4Android in it.
I am Using Apple Genuine 3.5mm .Perfect with "Mi Earbuds" in EQ Option.
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I have recently bought a Poco F1 and I need a good pair of earphones. I have a Samsung earphone, but I am afraid to use it. The last time I was in a Xiaomi service centre for my Mi A1, one of the technicians suggested me not to use Samsung earphones. He said the headphone jack on Samsung has a bit different shape even though 3.5mm headphone jack is universal. Samsung 3.5mm jacks are a bit narrow on the edge and thick at the bottom/end. Due to this structure, if it's pushed hard, the 3.5mm port may get damaged or loosen in a long run. After hearing this, I stopped using Samsung earphones (except Samsung devices) and now I am looking for a earphones which can produce perfect balanced music (not heavy bass or heavy treble). I was thinking of going for Xiaomi earphones, but the reviews are not good. Can someone please help me??
Thank you!!
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You can go for sennheiser one they are bit costly but has perfect balance between bass & treble. crystal clear sound as per my liking.
BUT what ever you go, go with earbuds which provide buttons so that you can change the song using it as in MIUI there's no provision to skip song via volume button on phone.
Oneplus 1st gen is also good option. (it has mic & 3 buttons and good sound at cheaper rate, afaik sennheiser one with same would cost you around twice as much)
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I have recently bought a Poco F1 and I need a good pair of earphones. I have a Samsung earphone, but I am afraid to use it. The last time I was in a Xiaomi service centre for my Mi A1, one of the technicians suggested me not to use Samsung earphones. He said the headphone jack on Samsung has a bit different shape even though 3.5mm headphone jack is universal. Samsung 3.5mm jacks are a bit narrow on the edge and thick at the bottom/end. Due to this structure, if it's pushed hard, the 3.5mm port may get damaged or loosen in a long run. After hearing this, I stopped using Samsung earphones (except Samsung devices) and now I am looking for a earphones which can produce perfect balanced music (not heavy bass or heavy treble). I was thinking of going for Xiaomi earphones, but the reviews are not good. Can someone please help me??
Thank you!!
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interesting that you say that , thats why many complain sammy akg earphone is not working well with poco , i explain to a few people yet they are ignorant about it , lol
im using the Xiaomi Mi In-Ear Headphones Pro 2 / Quantie 2 which is present in the MIUI headphone settings.
curious anyone install soundabout app ? kept crashing
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im using the Xiaomi Mi In-Ear Headphones Pro 2 / Quantie 2 which is present in the MIUI headphone settings.
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How is it?? I placed order and cant wait for it to arrive...
Btw im still use Piston 3 and S8 Akg earphone at the moment...
Some offbeat ChiFi suggestions -
1. KZ ES4 (about 14$)
2. Rock Zircon (about 11$)
3. Tin audio T2 (about 35$)
All of them can be bought from aliexpress/gearbest and more than justify their price. Currently rocking an ES4 with my Poco and very happy with them. Hope it helps.
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How is it?? I placed order and cant wait for it to arrive...
Btw im still use Piston 3 and S8 Akg earphone at the moment...
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They are excellent except the problem lies with the Poweramp or Pocophone being unable to play HiFi Flac files at 24bit via Direct HD.
I am using Viper4Android as main equalizer but havent tweaked it yet for this earphone as i am waiting for Android Pie Stable update for the Poco.
Keep your impedance low (true for wired earphones/headphones)
Good day, if you wanted to have better earphones just make sure to keep track with their impedances.
Keep your impedances in this range (earphones, IEMs, and the likes): 20 ohms or below, you can do up to 25 ohms max but that's really a gamble, I've seen that @prateekj1993 has posted a 25 ohm KZ ES4 and it works so I guess I'll adjust my recommendations up to 25 ohms as before I only suggest up to 20 ohms.
For headphones, you need to do lower impedance than earphones due to bigger speaker driver. You should keep your impedance below 16 ohms for higher peak volume, anything greater would make you crank you volume to max everytime as what I always did on my 19 ohms (passive mode) MDR-NC8 headphones. Active headphones with their own dedicated volume is an exception OFC.
Here's what I have:
1. KZ ZS6 (15 ohms).
2. KZ ZS5 (16 ohms).
3. MDR-NC8 (17 ohms active, 19 ohms passive).
I advice anyone posting here about their recommended earphones or IEMs to post the model name and the corresponding impedances. Thank you for reading.
Rowdyy Ronnie said:
I have recently bought a Poco F1 and I need a good pair of earphones. I have a Samsung earphone, but I am afraid to use it. The last time I was in a Xiaomi service centre for my Mi A1, one of the technicians suggested me not to use Samsung earphones. He said the headphone jack on Samsung has a bit different shape even though 3.5mm headphone jack is universal. Samsung 3.5mm jacks are a bit narrow on the edge and thick at the bottom/end. Due to this structure, if it's pushed hard, the 3.5mm port may get damaged or loosen in a long run. After hearing this, I stopped using Samsung earphones (except Samsung devices) and now I am looking for a earphones which can produce perfect balanced music (not heavy bass or heavy treble). I was thinking of going for Xiaomi earphones, but the reviews are not good. Can someone please help me??
Thank you!!
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https://www.amazon.in/Focal-Sense-1...ords=focal&dpPl=1&dpID=31UFZZ8eYUL&ref=plSrch
You won't get to see such premium build and fantastic sound quality in this price range. This pair of earphones is bomb.
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They are excellent except the problem lies with the Poweramp or Pocophone being unable to play HiFi Flac files at 24bit via Direct HD.
I am using Viper4Android as main equalizer but havent tweaked it yet for this earphone as i am waiting for Android Pie Stable update for the Poco.
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Ohh man, i was really looking forward using that with poweramp...
Btw our DAC are not fully ultilise? Or Poco DAC sucks??
Well impedance is not a parameter for audioquality
If you have the money and you want one of the best planar magnetic inears: audeze isine 10 or isine 20
They sound like big overears of even like a soundsystem, amazing iem's i have the isine 20 and its par on par with the audeze lcd 3 bigger brother
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Ohh man, i was really looking forward using that with poweramp...
Btw our DAC are not fully ultilise? Or Poco DAC sucks??
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I believe it's not fully utilized because the Direct HD used the 24 bit upon an update but unfortunately i messed it up by going into the Audio Settings of the Output which reverts it back to the 16 bit.
Otherwise the sampling frequency options work fine.
I recently bought the OnePlus Wireless Bullets.
Im really happy with those earphones so far
The magnetic functions work so far really well. Auto disconnect and auto connect work. The only thing that does not work is autoplay function when they are connected, but I wouldn't like it anyway.
They have a Type-C connector and Dash Charge.
jody2k said:
Well impedance is not a parameter for audioquality
If you have the money and you want one of the best planar magnetic inears: audeze isine 10 or isine 20
They sound like big overears of even like a soundsystem, amazing iem's i have the isine 20 and its par on par with the audeze lcd 3 bigger brother
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WTF dude, did you just say that impedance is not a parameter for audio quality? Impedance matching is the first thing you should do when you want to match your speaker/earphones/headphones to your amp. Anyways it is known that Poco F1 can drive in-ears up to 25 ohms so your isine 10 and 20 (both 24 ohms) is well within range.
FYI impedance dictates the volume and also how the audio quality behaves all-throughout the volume range. If you match your Poco to a 32 ohm headphones, you'll have a very low volume output even at 100%. Audio quality is nil when you can't hear a decent sound.
Do you know what people does when they blindly bought 32 ohm in ears for Poco? They complain that Poco's sounds too low. You're lucky that your isine is 24 ohms if you have that kind of mindset towards impedance.
I'd recommend you to buy a good DAC cable first since the audio output isn't good for me. You can get Venture Electronics Odyssey for budget or Sonata HD II for a bit higher price range.
For the IEM's, I'd say go for music/audio shops and audition each earphones you find there. Each one has different preference depending on music genres and artists. I currently use KZ ED16 which has balanced sound signature in case you want a reference.
I read a lot of threads back when the Poco F1 was released and a lot of people complained about low volume of audio output from headphone jack and low clarity.
It is very hard to compare audio quality if you dont have 2 devices side by side.
So I request people who have the Poco F1 and some other phone like the Redmi Note Pro, Moto, Nokia etc to compare the volume and audio clarity.
If you have MIUI device use the same audio settings.
Can anyone please do this?
Edit: Sorry for double post. Thread was not showing up so I replied in the other post.
Volume was really low for a while. Now it is fine. Audio quality seems good enough.
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Volume was really low for a while. Now it is fine. Audio quality seems good enough.
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What about audio quality? Do you have any phone to compare side by side.
The internal speaker and loud and clear. It does seem to be a good bit better than my Mi Max on headphone jack. You shouldn't have a problem.
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I read a lot of threads back when the Poco F1 was released and a lot of people complained about low volume of audio output from headphone jack and low clarity.
It is very hard to compare audio quality if you dont have 2 devices side by side.
So I request people who have the Poco F1 and some other phone like the Redmi Note Pro, Moto, Nokia etc to compare the volume and audio clarity.
If you have MIUI device use the same audio settings.
Can anyone please do this?
Edit: Sorry for double post. Thread was not showing up so I replied in the other post.
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3.5 Headphone sound is low compared to other devices ..
For my part, I'm really impressed by the sound quality of this device (for the headphone jack at least, I don't use the speakers for music).
I'm currently using a Sennheiser Momentum (Circum-aural, M2 model). I listen to music with it on my Honor 5C (previous phone), my Asus laptop (which has a great headphone jack). I'd say that, for a mobile phone, it's one of the best jack output you can get - which is especially impressive given the price tag of this device.
The crosstalk is pretty good, though the instruments are not as separated and the sound stage not as clear as on my laptop. The only problem you may face with this output if you are using high-impedance headphones, because the Pocophone doesn't have a very good output power.
That's all I have to say
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3.5 Headphone sound is low compared to other devices ..
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What is the best budget earphone (below 20$) that can be used with Poco F1?? (should have enough bass and loudness)
With my samsung OME earphones it sounds very dry
I have seen some reviews saying KZ ES4 is quite good for the price?
will that work well with the POCO F1?
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For my part, I'm really impressed by the sound quality of this device (for the headphone jack at least, I don't use the speakers for music).
I'm currently using a Sennheiser Momentum (Circum-aural, M2 model). I listen to music with it on my Honor 5C (previous phone), my Asus laptop (which has a great headphone jack). I'd say that, for a mobile phone, it's one of the best jack output you can get - which is especially impressive given the price tag of this device.
The crosstalk is pretty good, though the instruments are not as separated and the sound stage not as clear as on my laptop. The only problem you may face with this output if you are using high-impedance headphones, because the Pocophone doesn't have a very good output power.
That's all I have to say
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I agree. Pocophone has one of the most impressive audio outputs I have ever had on a phone. Besides my Pocophone I have both an LG G7 and LG V10 so I know how well phone can sound with quality output. the Pocophone is really not too far behind them. That says something. Some people confuse audio quality with volume.
With Mi Sound Enhancer enabled with the right type of headphones it sounds very well and then you can further tweak it to your liking with the equalizer that is better than the one on LG phones. Very good spacious sound on the Pocophone.