Hello everyone:
So that everyone will have a crystal clear status:
Got answer (email) from Xiaomi for warranty question with bootloader unlock AND rooting:
"...With respect to your concern, I would like to inform you that rooting of your device does not affect the warranty. However, the warranty may vary from seller to seller so would request you to coordinate with the respective point of purchase."
Hope that helps many of you
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Even if you are flashing custom roms, your warranty is NOT void:
https://www.bintooshoots.com/xiaomi-phone-warranty-when-rooted-custom-rom-or-unlocked-bootloader/
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Sure, here it is
I'm guessing it'll be the same answer if the device is purchased from an official Xiaomi store? I never got around to asking my local dealer unfortunately.
It shouldn't matter if the company that supplies the phone is OK with it..
Essentially you return the phone to the reseller and they then forward it on to Xiaomi for repairs/replacement...
The answer they have given is a cop out to make it sound like they are developer friendly but then stand behind the immunity of the reseller's refusal....
ultramag69 said:
It shouldn't matter if the company that supplies the phone is OK with it..
Essentially you return the phone to the reseller and they then forward it on to Xiaomi for repairs/replacement...
The answer they have given is a cop out to make it sound like they are developer friendly but then stand behind the immunity of the reseller's refusal....
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Don't think they mean that, it may be legal parlance for saying as long as u buy from an official reseller we will provide warranty.
And no we don't return the product to the reseller but always approach a service centre for warranty with a valid proof of purchase.
from my experience in the past, rooting or ubl doesn't affect the warranty as long as the device warranty seal is not damaged or broken. Because I've claimed a warranty a long time ago, I did some mistake and my xiaomi device is heavily bricked so I return the device to service center for repairment. Lucky me, it got covered by the warranty. But yeah, "the warranty may vary from seller to seller so would request you to coordinate with the respective point of purchase".
but my advice, try to relock the bootloader, unroot and revert back to official rom if possible before you claim the warranty.
Guys, if I root my Poco F1, can I OTA update it after that?
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Guys, if I root my Poco F1, can I OTA update it after that?
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i could be wrong on this, so hopefully someone more knowledgable will assist...
but, i believe you must remove root first, OTA update, then re-root
And what if we flash a custom rom??
THEN? There will be warranty or not?
GrecoNeoV said:
Guys, if I root my Poco F1, can I OTA update it after that?
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No. You need to first unroot your device. But if you have flashed twrp or have played with System partition, then forget about OTA update. You need to first flash fastboot rom through MiFlash tool.
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And what if we flash a custom rom??
THEN? There will be warranty or not?
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If you flash back to miui using mi flash tool, locking device again, they'll not know anyway
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Guys, if I root my Poco F1, can I OTA update it after that?
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Depends on the TWRP you used if it has features to support OTA Update, like the Batik TWRP for Pocophone, or OrangeFox.
I use Magisk for rooting. I prefer to download the OTA update file, then go to TWRP and flash it myself. I first wipe the Dalvik-cache and cache before flashing, just to be clean. After flashing, I am still in TWRP. I wipe the Dalvik cache and cache again, I am overkill here. I then flash Magisk again, since the OTA update would have removed it. Then reboot, and all ok, like nothing happened except that the OTA has been applied.
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Depends on the TWRP you used if it has features to support OTA Update, like the Batik TWRP for Pocophone, or OrangeFox.
I use Magisk for rooting. I prefer to download the OTA update file, then go to TWRP and flash it myself. I first wipe the Dalvik-cache and cache before flashing, just to be clean. After flashing, I am still in TWRP. I wipe the Dalvik cache and cache again, I am overkill here. I then flash Magisk again, since the OTA update would have removed it. Then reboot, and all ok, like nothing happened except that the OTA has been applied.
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When you say that you 'prefer to download the OTA update file', do you mean the smaller OTA update file or the full ROM? If you mean the smaller file, does it get downloaded even after finding that you have rooted and are with TWRP?
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When you say that you 'prefer to download the OTA update file', do you mean the smaller OTA update file or the full ROM? If you mean the smaller file, does it get downloaded even after finding that you have rooted and are with TWRP?
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Oh, to clarify, I download the full one. That's what always appears anyway when Xiaomi pushes an update to my phone, the full one.
I use apps2Sd pro to link some apps to the SD card. If I let the phone automatically update the ota, it does so, then root is removed, and then it is rebooted back to the system. Since root was removed, all root apps don't work and apps2Sd pro cannot show the apps that were linked and I have to root it and reboot again, then remount SD card.
By doing it manually, I update ota and root and flash whatever needs to be flashed while in recovery all in one go, it's just simpler for me, YMMV.
P.s. I always do a nandroid backup too, I forgot to mention. All done with the above in one session of recovery.
CM-Tester said:
Hello everyone:
So that everyone will have a crystal clear status:
Got answer (email) from Xiaomi for warranty question with bootloader unlock AND rooting:
"...With respect to your concern, I would like to inform you that rooting of your device does not affect the warranty. However, the warranty may vary from seller to seller so would request you to coordinate with the respective point of purchase."
Hope that helps many of you
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who cares for warranty if u broke screen u not gonna get free replacement.... and if u brick it u can fix it if u r tech guy if u cant u shouldnt have tried that far.... else there is no nee of warranty..... its not that the screen will pop out automatically.... i may ignorant of facts and some severe situations..... u can educate me .... in this and if i m being rude i m sorry peace
OP with new imformations completed:
unlock bootloader, root AND custom rom will NOT void your warranty!!!
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And what if we flash a custom rom??
THEN? There will be warranty or not?
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Even with flashing custom roms, warranty is NOT void.
Have a look at my updated OP
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who cares for warranty if u broke screen u not gonna get free replacement.... and if u brick it u can fix it if u r tech guy if u cant u shouldnt have tried that far.... else there is no nee of warranty..... its not that the screen will pop out automatically.... i may ignorant of facts and some severe situations..... u can educate me .... in this and if i m being rude i m sorry peace
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I know its a bit of a necro but this is so true in case of phones.
MOBO goes, no ones gonna know it was rooted.
Screen cracks, no warranty anyway.
Battery issues are hard to prove unless totally bonkers.
Whats left is buttons, mic/speaker and display anomalies like amoled yellow/purple tint. Most of these things wont happen in the warranty period anyway.
F-ed up situation is when a screen "pop out" and youre rooted on a phone that limits root in warranty. Happened to me on Samsung S3. After minor drop, ~20cm onto shaggy carpet, screen just turned off, no crack but no picture either. Warranty was rejected cuz of root.
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Hello everyone!
About a week ago, I went and bought the S3, my first Android phone. The sales guy told me that the phone is sim free but a Samsung's firmware update caused a bug, and that the phone needed to be sim unlocked because of Samsung's error. Needless to say I knew nothing about the phone (or Android).
After a few days of learning about it, I ended up seeing there is a Voodoo app in the file manager, CWM and SuperSU apps in the app drawer.
I came here to check what that was all about.
After reading extensively I now know that the phone is rooted and was sim unlocked with Voodoo app.
I red all about Voodoo and was impressed that it works with the fix, yet another user said this will cause problems in the future, and I already see some users complaining about their phones not working.
My question is, was the sales person lied to me about the Samsung firmware bug? And also, is the Voodoo app + fix is legit, and I can rest my worries aside?
I wouldn't like to have problems and having to wait for some (wonderful and admirable) dev to fix it, every time there is a firmware update.
Thanks in advance, excuse my noobishness.
If its unlocked.....ITS UNLOCKED
reboot, if its still unlocked then you are good. as far as the problems........i dont know of some sort of samsung bug that would f up a phone.
what are you really asking? will your phone all of sudden brick on you and become useless? i dont think so
In fact, there is no Samsung "bug": Samsung has just improve is Lock system which now break voodoo unlock (on purpose or not...)
In theory, it should only relock phones that had been unlock with voodoo app but here is the tricky thing: some shop sell "fake" unlocked phones!
-they took carrier locked phone
-they flash a stock rom
-they change the EFS file in the same way voodoo app would have done
-they sell it as unlocked
the old lock system do not break this and buyers will probably never see the trick but the new lock system just relock the phone and left people with a locked phone even if they think they have bought an unlocked phone
Just look at this post which is an answer to someone who had a relock on an "unlocked" phone with XXBLG8 firmware
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the old lock system do not break this and buyers will probably never see the trick but the new lock system just relock the phone and left people with a locked phone even if they think they have bought an unlocked phone
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So in fact, from now on, every time I flash an updated rom, I need to pray that samsung didn't (intentionally or not) break the voodoo unlock? Sort of like the Apple's cat and mouse game after the unlocks? Cause I'm not going through that again.
Here is a patch for preventing the sim to be locked after a update http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1802951, need root and flash with CWM.
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Here is a patch for preventing the sim to be locked after a update http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1802951, need root and flash with CWM.
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Thank you for the reply.
It seems as though the fix is allready applied, the thing that bother me is that
I will need to wait for a fix every time there is an update.
It's just that i'm afraid after owning a locked iphone, that was a nightmare.
Let's say that it is much better and more comfterbale to have an unlocked phone, am i right?
shermenz said:
Thank you for the reply.
It seems as though the fix is allready applied, the thing that bother me is that
I will need to wait for a fix every time there is an update.
It's just that i'm afraid after owning a locked iphone, that was a nightmare.
Let's say that it is much better and more comfterbale to have an unlocked phone, am i right?
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Go back to the shop and request a original simlock free phone then. if it bothers you that much!
shermenz said:
Hello everyone!
About a week ago, I went and bought the S3, my first Android phone. The sales guy told me that the phone is sim free but a Samsung's firmware update caused a bug, and that the phone needed to be sim unlocked because of Samsung's error. Needless to say I knew nothing about the phone (or Android).
After a few days of learning about it, I ended up seeing there is a Voodoo app in the file manager, CWM and SuperSU apps in the app drawer.
You have bought a second hand phone . Its been used rooted voids warranty and apps installed return it .
jje
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gee2012 said:
Go back to the shop and request a original simlock free phone then. if it bothers you that much!
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Well since I'm new to Android I don't know if it should bother me, with Apple it was horrible, my question essentially is should it bother me?
Does sim locked phones Known to cause problems down the road?
Thank you for spendig the time!
shermenz said:
Well since I'm new to Android I don't know if it should bother me, with Apple it was horrible, my question essentially is should it bother me?
Does sim locked phones Known to cause problems down the road?
Thank you for spendig the time!
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As you are rooted, it is better not to update through Kies or OTA. Kies updates will break root and thus voodoo sim unlock and OTA`s will not be installed as you have a custom recovery. Download future new roms from www.sammobile.com/firmware and flash it with (Mobile) Odin (Pro). See my signature for the procedure. With Mobile Odin Pro you keep root and with pc Odin you will loose root. If in the future you have to send it in for repair warranty can be denied because you are rooted.
Hey guys. Sorry if this has been answered before. I've looked and didn't see it in here so I figured I'd ask. I really don't want to set my phone into "custom" status in case I drop it or break it somehow Anyway, my question is will installing TWRP recovery from GooManager get me a "custom" status? Also, if I install a custom ROM, is there anyway to "trick" it into saying "Official" when I have ROMs and TWRP installed? I really wanted to install ROMs, but I'm too afraid of dropping it or something while the ROM is installed. Thanks!
I believe the "Custom" shows up periodically if you have a custom ROM installed. But really, it shouldn't bother people so much. It's pretty easy to tell if a custom ROM is installed without rebooting the phone. If Verizon cared that much, they could find out. FWIW, I didn't see "Custom" with the open padlock at boot when running stock rooted (aside from during the root process using the pre-release kernel.) It was only after installing a custom ROM that I see it periodically now.
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I believe the "Custom" shows up periodically if you have a custom ROM installed. But really, it shouldn't bother people so much. It's pretty easy to tell if a custom ROM is installed without rebooting the phone. If Verizon cared that much, they could find out. FWIW, I didn't see "Custom" with the open padlock at boot when running stock rooted (aside from during the root process using the pre-release kernel.) It was only after installing a custom ROM that I see it periodically now.
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Thanks for your reply But the reason I'm asking is because I wanted to know if there's any way to install a recovery or custom ROM while keeping the "official" status for warranty reasons. Is there?
Dark_Spark said:
Thanks for your reply But the reason I'm asking is because I wanted to know if there's any way to install a recovery or custom ROM while keeping the "official" status for warranty reasons. Is there?
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If you were to physically damage it, you would likely still be able to boot to download mode and Odin back to 100% stock. In that case you'd have what you are asking for. I don't believe there is a way to spoof the phone into thinking it's fully official. Like I said, if Verizon/Asurion/etc care enough, they should be able to find out unless you flash back to pre-root stock. Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong.
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If you were to physically damage it, you would likely still be able to boot to download mode and Odin back to 100% stock. In that case you'd have what you are asking for. I don't believe there is a way to spoof the phone into thinking it's fully official. Like I said, if Verizon/Asurion/etc care enough, they should be able to find out unless you flash back to pre-root stock. Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong.
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Sorry to ask a million questions, but I used to have my GS4 on the stock ROM but rooted but with TWRP recovery. The statuses everywhere read as Samsung Official. I mean even in ODIN mode too. Is that what they check for in the warranty process? Or can they detect if it was just rooted or have a custom recovery and deny a warranty claim? Thanks for your patience with me.
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Sorry to ask a million questions, but I used to have my GS4 on the stock ROM but rooted but with TWRP recovery. The statuses everywhere read as Samsung Official. I mean even in ODIN mode too. Is that what they check for in the warranty process? Or can they detect if it was just rooted or have a custom recovery and deny a warranty claim? Thanks for your patience with me.
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Happy to help...but I really don't know what Verizon or the insurance provider would check. Some individuals within those places will probably check more thoroughly than others. But I've heard several stories of people taking their phone to Verizon, the tech seeing that it's rooted/fully custom, and replacing it anyway.
If you ever need to take it in for a warranty claim (hardware issue) I'd go back to stock first, but that's my personal opinion.
Edit: Even if it's just stock w/ root, a decently savvy tech could tell just by looking into your app list and seeing "SuperSU" or "SuperUser" or any other root-required apps.
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Hey guys. Sorry if this has been answered before. I've looked and didn't see it in here so I figured I'd ask. I really don't want to set my phone into "custom" status in case I drop it or break it somehow Anyway, my question is will installing TWRP recovery from GooManager get me a "custom" status? Also, if I install a custom ROM, is there anyway to "trick" it into saying "Official" when I have ROMs and TWRP installed? I really wanted to install ROMs, but I'm too afraid of dropping it or something while the ROM is installed. Thanks!
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No ,there is no method published till now. Possibility to do that is less then 20% since we cant access the hidden scripts for analysing binary counts..
Sent from my GT-I8552 using xda app-developers app
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Happy to help...but I really don't know what Verizon or the insurance provider would check. Some individuals within those places will probably check more thoroughly than others. But I've heard several stories of people taking their phone to Verizon, the tech seeing that it's rooted/fully custom, and replacing it anyway.
If you ever need to take it in for a warranty claim (hardware issue) I'd go back to stock first, but that's my personal opinion.
Edit: Even if it's just stock w/ root, a decently savvy tech could tell just by looking into your app list and seeing "SuperSU" or "SuperUser" or any other root-required apps.
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Thank you!
Hey,
I've bought a G2. After I rooted it, I noticed the "rooted"-status in the downloadmode. I've read about it. I now fear that I can not exchange the unit if something is broken. The warranty is void?
So i tought about to send it back to amazon (14 days time to send it back) and get another phone?! Do you think this is ja good idea or stupid?
Thx for help.
I've never rooted a phone before but I read that when you successfully unroot the LG G2, the 'rooted' status goes away.
From what I've read, G2's bootloader is unlocked, so you can root and unroot withou LG knowing it. But take a look to the thread "return to stock".
yyz123 said:
I've never rooted a phone before but I read that when you successfully unroot the LG G2, the 'rooted' status goes away.
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The problem is, that I can no longer unroot the device, when it should be broken. That is the real problem...
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whit "another phone" i mean not a G2. i think i will buy the Sony Z1 or Htc One
I have reconsigned (returned?... send back... you know what i mean :silly: ) the device. I think I'll buy a Sony. So I have no problems with the root.
Cic3ro said:
I have reconsigned (returned?... send back... you know what i mean :silly: ) the device. I think I'll buy a Sony. So I have no problems with the root.
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hope you don't mess the sony up! the g2 is a far better phone than the sony - if you root, you can unroot and the "rooted" returns to" unrooted" better luck next time
it sounds to me like you have messed your phone up and now you want to send it back and you expect a new one. if I was the person at the other end I would have voided your warranty and if you cant sort it im afraid you should not be flashing anything until you know what you are doing there are far too many people doing this and then returning their phones as "faulty" when basically they messed it up what happens when you do the same to the sony -will u just send that back as well- no wonder manufactures are making it more difficult for people to root in the first place please don't keep doing this as it just makes it worse for the rest of us,who flash stuff and know what they are doing--rant over, hope you take a little time to learn what you are doing in future.
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hope you don't mess the sony up! the g2 is a far better phone than the sony - if you root, you can unroot and the "rooted" returns to" unrooted" better luck next time
it sounds to me like you have messed your phone up and now you want to send it back and you expect a new one. if I was the person at the other end I would have voided your warranty and if you cant sort it im afraid you should not be flashing anything until you know what you are doing there are far too many people doing this and then returning their phones as "faulty" when basically they messed it up what happens when you do the same to the sony -will u just send that back as well- no wonder manufactures are making it more difficult for people to root in the first place please don't keep doing this as it just makes it worse for the rest of us,who flash stuff and know what they are doing--rant over, hope you take a little time to learn what you are doing in future.
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no haha. i think you don't understand me (or i'm to dopy to write understandable english....). the device is not broken. i was thinking about, what could happen, if the device is broken and rooted. i know how to root or flash some rom. that is not my problem. the problem is, that LG has a rootchecker and Sony literally allows the root and flashing roms without unlocking the bootloader. this is why i want to send the G2 back and buy a new Z1.
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no haha. i think you don't understand me (or i'm to dopy to write understandable english....). the device is not broken. i was thinking about, what could happen, if the device is broken and rooted. i know how to root or flash some rom. that is not my problem. the problem is, that LG has a rootchecker and Sony literally allows the root and flashing roms without unlocking the bootloader. this is why i want to send the G2 back and buy a new Z1.
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To my understanding most of the newer devices have indicators buried in the settings to list rooted.
As long as the device powers on you can unroot the LG with the return to stock method and it will show unrooted. You just boot into download mode, and run the tools listed.
If it doesn't power on... then does it matter? It wouldn't be viewable under standard warranty anyways.
Enjoy the other phone if that's your choice, but you made a poor one IMHO.
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To my understanding most of the newer devices have indicators buried in the settings to list rooted.
As long as the device powers on you can unroot the LG with the return to stock method and it will show unrooted. You just boot into download mode, and run the tools listed.
If it doesn't power on... then does it matter? It wouldn't be viewable under standard warranty anyways.
Enjoy the other phone if that's your choice, but you made a poor one IMHO.
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Agreed but it still shows rooted in download mode after going back to stock.
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Agreed but it still shows rooted in download mode after going back to stock.
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I don't believe so.
I have the ATT version, and I nuked it with a bad flash and a brain fart that caused me to forget to backup first in TWRP.
I couldn't get anything on the device so I did the restore to stock using the flash tool, and when I was done I'm pretty sure it showed green until I rooted it again.
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I don't believe so.
I have the ATT version, and I nuked it with a bad flash and a brain fart that caused me to forget to backup first in TWRP.
I couldn't get anything on the device so I did the restore to stock using the flash tool, and when I was done I'm pretty sure it showed green until I rooted it again.
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Ah mine showed rooted but I tried the back to stock for all variants and it didn't work (worked the first time not the second) so then I did the vzw only back to stock and that worked but still showed rooted in download mode.
After the unroot yesterday the "rooted" in the downloadmode was gone too
Hello guys this guide is for who want to root phone without disabling ota updates.
(BOOTLOODER SHOULD BE UNLOCK)
BIG THANKS FOR MAKING PATCHED BOOT IMg @Jan.Pul
IAM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY CAUSE OF YOUR DEVICE DO IT ON OWN RISK)
1)Download patched boot.img from link below
2)copy that patched boot.img to your adb folder
3) adb debugging should be on and oem unlock should be on for unlock bootlooder
4)turn off your device and go into fastboot mode by pressing holding volume down and power key
5) check whether fastboot detect your device or not by typing this command on (cmd) FASTBOOT DEVICES
6) if fastboot shows that your device is connected your good to go
7) you need to boot into patched boot.img for this type a command FASTBOOT BOOT patched_boot.img your device will boot automatically
8) download magisk manager apk from google and. Open ur magisk manager and install ad direct method and reboot
If you get bootloop dont worry just press your power key for 5sec it will boot automatically
PATCH BOOT IMG : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cU6qOMiHlGdSAbRtMVgTlHummcGksnt6/view?usp=drivesdk
Guessing this is for the Indian/Chinese version and the bnd-l24 is still sitting on the shelf? And rooting without making a backup isn't usually the smartest thing to do but we all know that.
Is there a source this came from by any chance?
Yes..But Why?
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maximran said:
this guide is for who want to root phone without disabling ota updates.
(IAM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR AMY CAUSE OF YOUR DEVICE DO IT ON OWN RISK)
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str8stryk3r said:
rooting without making a backup isn't usually the smartest thing to do but we all know that.
Is there a source this came from by any chance?
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I Eh... Would Love To See This Happen..
I'm... still at a loss to understand why so many people want to root the 7x... Now?
There is an adaway substitute available... ( Search it if you care to ) no root needed.
You can adjust DPI...
You have Themes....
You can remove apps from user view... ( Search it if you care to )
And.... removing unwanted apps WILL NOT free up more RAM.. RAM Management will just fill the allotted space with something else...
You need to make a backup ??? Eh.... Your Stock Software WILL NOT FAIL Unless you are in there messing with it or, are installing illegal apps that are cancering your unit.
Battery Management apps like Greenify? really? how many of you even have to use the Power Saving options already installed in the 7x? I'm getting a day and a half easy.. without using any of the Power Saving options.. YMMV of course.
Oreo is 3 to 4 weeks away.
There still, is No Stock Image Available from Honor to turn to should your Rooting efforts fail you.
So, What possible benefits are you getting by Rooting Nougat Now..
It's YOUR device.. and I wish you the best of luck should you find a reason that you feel justifies the need to root right now..
I'm going to Root my 7x as well... once a Stock Image is available from Honor and, EMUI / OREO 8.0 , The Updated Security Patch and Facial Unlock / AR options are delivered.. That will hold me for the 6 - 7 months I'll own the 7x.
I am just so curious why so many would gamble with Root.. with no clear cut method of being able to recover from a catastrophe.... and no real benefit at this time.
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RaiderWill said:
maximran said:
I Eh... Would Love To See This Happen..
I'm... still at a loss to understand why so many people want to root the 7x... Now?
There is an adaway substitute available... ( Search it if you care to ) no root needed.
You can adjust DPI...
You have Themes....
You can remove apps from user view... ( Search it if you care to )
And.... removing unwanted apps WILL NOT free up more RAM.. RAM Management will just fill the allotted space with something else...
You need to make a backup ??? Eh.... Your Stock Software WILL NOT FAIL Unless you are in there messing with it or, are installing illegal apps that are cancering your unit.
Battery Management apps like Greenify? really? how many of you even have to use the Power Saving options already installed in the 7x? I'm getting a day and a half easy.. without using any of the Power Saving options.. YMMV of course.
Oreo is 3 to 4 weeks away.
There still, is No Stock Image Available from Honor to turn to should your Rooting efforts fail you.
So, What possible benefits are you getting by Rooting Nougat Now..
It's YOUR device.. and I wish you the best of luck should you find a reason that you feel justifies the need to root right now..
I'm going to Root my 7x as well... once a Stock Image is available from Honor and, EMUI / OREO 8.0 , The Updated Security Patch and Facial Unlock / AR options are delivered.. That will hold me for the 6 - 7 months I'll own the 7x.
I am just so curious why so many would gamble with Root.. with no clear cut method of being able to recover from a catastrophe.... and no real benefit at this time.
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Oh I agree with ya. I'm not fooling with mine until a definitive stable method comes out after oreo. I might even hold off until we start getting some custom rooms and kernels. I've unlocked my bootloader and that's about the extent of my Honor 7x modding for the time being.
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A Question Sir..
str8stryk3r said:
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Oh I agree with ya. I'm not fooling with mine until a definitive stable method comes out after oreo. I might even hold off until we start getting some custom rooms and kernels. I've unlocked my bootloader and that's about the extent of my Honor 7x modding for the time being.
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Have You Tried "Re-Locking" Your Bootloader.. And Then Doing A Factory Reset?
Just asking because.. I thought.. (And I Could Be 100% WRONG) I read somewhere that, relocking using the command line causes the 7x to brick..
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RaiderWill said:
str8stryk3r said:
Have You Tried "Re-Locking" Your Bootloader.. And Then Doing A Factory Reset?
Just asking because.. I thought.. (And I Could Be 100% WRONG) I read somewhere that, relocking using the command line causes the 7x to brick..
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No I unlocked the bootloader so I wouldn't have to in the future. Why, bootloader unlocking China cause me to not be able to do ota updates? I was under the impression that only rooting and installing twrp would cause issues with ota but I could've read wrong
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@maximran, root with Magisk "KEEPFORCEENCRYPT=true"; but if I change to "false", should work too?
str8stryk3r said:
RaiderWill said:
No I unlocked the bootloader so I wouldn't have to in the future. Why, bootloader unlocking China cause me to not be able to do ota updates? I was under the impression that only rooting and installing twrp would cause issues with ota but I could've read wrong
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True, even I have unlocked my bootloader but I still received OTA.
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kilroystyx said:
@maximran, root with Magisk "KEEPFORCEENCRYPT=true"; but if I change to "false", should work too?
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It will not work
Interesting!
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RaiderWill said:
No I unlocked the bootloader so I wouldn't have to in the future. Why, bootloader unlocking China cause me to not be able to do ota updates? I was under the impression that only rooting and installing twrp would cause issues with ota but I could've read wrong
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Asder.mko said:
str8stryk3r said:
True, even I have unlocked my bootloader but I still received OTA.
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Really ?
Please.. let me know once the update arrives.
I've NEVER seen a Signed O.T.A. software update package walk through the front door of a device with an Unsecured Bootloader.
Aren't you guys getting the "Exclamation Warning" screen when you first boot up letting you know your device is officially "Unsecure" ?
I'm not rooting Nougat.. just curious.. you normally get an "Update Failed!" message.. Thanks!
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RaiderWill said:
str8stryk3r said:
Asder.mko said:
Really ?
Please.. let me know once the update arrives.
I've NEVER seen a Signed O.T.A. software update package walk through the front door of a device with an Unsecured Bootloader.
Aren't you guys getting the "Exclamation Warning" screen when you first boot up letting you know your device is officially "Unsecure" ?
I'm not rooting Nougat.. just curious.. you normally get an "Update Failed!" message.. Thanks!
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Well, I got the OTA in December itself but since I had rooted and installed twrp recovery, I wasn't able to install the update.
Yes, we get that " your device is not secure... Blah blah blah..."
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RaiderWill said:
str8stryk3r said:
Asder.mko said:
Really ?
Please.. let me know once the update arrives.
I've NEVER seen a Signed O.T.A. software update package walk through the front door of a device with an Unsecured Bootloader.
Aren't you guys getting the "Exclamation Warning" screen when you first boot up letting you know your device is officially "Unsecure" ?
I'm not rooting Nougat.. just curious.. you normally get an "Update Failed!" message.. Thanks!
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Before I went ahead an unlocked my bootloader I checked as many sources as I could about if whether or not I'd still be able ota update and the vast majority of the things I read states that what causes the update to fail is not having stock rom and not having stock recovery. The bootloader being unlocked doesn't modify those or any system files so everything should be fine. Unless Huawei changed things specifically for our Honor 7x then there shouldn't be any problems with ota updates. I guess I'll find out when the L24 people start saying they got updates and I don't receive it or can't install it
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Well, that's quite right. I don't know whether Huawei/Honor implemented THAT thing, but yeah reverting back to stock conditions wand applying OTA wouldn't be an issue!
( P.S - I'm stuck here too as I have OTA update since December but haven't reverted to stock to install it. I don't yet know properly about manual installation! )
(I haven't received my 7x yet and I haven't had any recent experience with Huawei OTA updates and I am not advocating that anyone should alter their phones in any way which would void their warranties... )
However, I was surprised to hear in this forum that Huawei has made things more restrictive since the Mate2. Given that you can still obtain bootloader unlock codes (and the only reason AFAIK is to allow you to flash a new recovery) and that Huawei has publicly committed to open-source and has given 7x's to developers, it seems contrary to a "lockdown" philosophy. Rather, it would appear as they are still encouraging 3rd party development to prolong product lifespan in order to attract cheapskates like me who still use a 4-year old phone.
Things may have changed but In order to get OTA updates, here were some of the issues on the Mate2 :
Some people had a difficult time obtaining the bootloader unlock codes. Either you can get a code or you couldn't. Without an unlocked bootloader, you can't flash a different recovery.
You "can't" flash TWRP. That's not entirely true. You needed to restore the appropriate version of Huawei recovery before each OTA, because update.zip can only be interpreted by the appropriate recovery. (Think format differences between CWM and TWRP.)
You were able to root and still obtain OTA. (Albeit, there was only one OTA. The rest had to be downloaded to SD and flashed. But that was okay back then 'cause no one outside of China really knew about Huawei.) The updates weren't checking whether you had modified the existing software or not. Once you've voided your warranty, Huawei didn't care if you then decide to then make your phone more vulnerable or accidentally brick it. The problem was that the update could fail if you remove a piece of bloatware that Huawei decided to update. (The folders would be missing for example. And the update would not recover gracefully.)
But a big THANKS to previous posters which reminded me to backup everything (basically as soon as I receive my 7x).
Oh....if you are flashing a custom recovery, you should also backup the "stock" recovery after each OTA update. Sometimes the recovery is also updated. (That's what I meant by "appropriate" version.)
iammudd said:
(I haven't received my 7x yet and I haven't had any recent experience with Huawei OTA updates and I am not advocating that anyone should alter their phones in any way which would void their warranties... )
However, I was surprised to hear in this forum that Huawei has made things more restrictive since the Mate2. Given that you can still obtain bootloader unlock codes (and the only reason AFAIK is to allow you to flash a new recovery) and that Huawei has publicly committed to open-source and has given 7x's to developers, it seems contrary to a "lockdown" philosophy. Rather, it would appear as they are still encouraging 3rd party development to prolong product lifespan in order to attract cheapskates like me who still use a 4-year old phone.
Things may have changed but In order to get OTA updates, here were some of the issues on the Mate2 :
Some people had a difficult time obtaining the bootloader unlock codes. Either you can get a code or you couldn't. Without an unlocked bootloader, you can't flash a different recovery.
You "can't" flash TWRP. That's not entirely true. You needed to restore the appropriate version of Huawei recovery before each OTA, because update.zip can only be interpreted by the appropriate recovery. (Think format differences between CWM and TWRP.)
You were able to root and still obtain OTA. (Albeit, there was only one OTA. The rest had to be downloaded to SD and flashed. But that was okay back then 'cause no one outside of China really knew about Huawei.) The updates weren't checking whether you had modified the existing software or not. Once you've voided your warranty, Huawei didn't care if you then decide to then make your phone more vulnerable or accidentally brick it. The problem was that the update could fail if you remove a piece of bloatware that Huawei decided to update. (The folders would be missing for example. And the update would not recover gracefully.)
But a big THANKS to previous posters which reminded me to backup everything (basically as soon as I receive my 7x).
Oh....if you are flashing a custom recovery, you should also backup the "stock" recovery after each OTA update. Sometimes the recovery is also updated. (That's what I meant by "appropriate" version.)
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My thoughts exactly. Why would they provide they website to unlock the bootloader if that kept ota updates from going through. The only thing that's really holding back the development of this device is Huawei hasn't released the full stock firmware package yet. I have the L24 version so it's exciting seeing L21/A10 making some progress because it's only a matter of time until things start to kick off all around.
str8stryk3r said:
My thoughts exactly. Why would they provide they website to unlock the bootloader if that kept ota updates from going through. The only thing that's really holding back the development of this device is Huawei hasn't released the full stock firmware package yet. I have the L24 version so it's exciting seeing L21/A10 making some progress because it's only a matter of time until things start to kick off all around.
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No need for full fw broh need vendor partitions, device tree, kernel sources
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No need for full fw broh need vendor partitions, device tree, kernel sources
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Lmao, and that's why I'm not a developer. I just know having the stock image files is important so that when something gets screwed up got have something to fall back on.
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Yes, we get that " your device is not secure... Blah blah blah..."
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That Answers My Question As To Wether Or Not You Do See The Unsecure Msg..
Anyway.. Great Discussion.
Fact or Fiction... who will get the updates via O.T.A. ? The Non-Rooted, The Rooted.. or Both.
Even with Project Treble... will this device ever take off with Developer support ?
Will Huawei / Honor release a stock image of Nougat and Oreo ? ( Eh, Honor.. it's been 60 days since Kernel source was released.. and you know people are Rooting away.. why have you not released the stock Nougat image for the 7x?) and don't use working on EMUI & OREO as an excuse.. that's simply not good enough.. :angel:
I'm going to enjoy laying back... and watching how this unfolds.
Re-Reading my own words, as to what is the motivation for everyone Rooting Nougat now.. and what is anyone getting out of doing it.. because so much of what you would normally do with Admin Access is already incorperated into the 7x.. is there really a need to even Root whats coming without something like a Stable Linage / Franco Kernel combo ROM available vs a 100% stable Factory Fresh EMUI / Oreo 8.0 setup.
For me, it will be a fun to see what key Developers, ROM's and support in general.. the 7x actually gets.. and at what point they release firmware for restoration purposes.
You Just Never Know.
RaiderWill said:
That Answers My Question As To Wether Or Not You Do See The Unsecure Msg..
Anyway.. Great Discussion.
Fact or Fiction... who will get the updates via O.T.A. ? The Non-Rooted, The Rooted.. or Both.
Even with Project Treble... will this device ever take off with Developer support ?
Will Huawei / Honor release a stock image of Nougat and Oreo ? ( Eh, Honor.. it's been 60 days since Kernel source was released.. and you know people are Rooting away.. why have you not released the stock Nougat image for the 7x?) and don't use working on EMUI & OREO as an excuse.. that's simply not good enough.. :angel:
I'm going to enjoy laying back... and watching how this unfolds.
Re-Reading my own words, as to what is the motivation for everyone Rooting Nougat now.. and what is anyone getting out of doing it.. because so much of what you would normally do with Admin Access is already incorperated into the 7x.. is there really a need to even Root whats coming without something like a Stable Linage / Franco Kernel combo ROM available vs a 100% stable Factory Fresh EMUI / Oreo 8.0 setup.
For me, it will be a fun to see what key Developers, ROM's and support in general.. the 7x actually gets.. and at what point they release firmware for restoration purposes.
You Just Never Know.
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People like to root and mod their own devices for their own reasons but you're right, a lot of the reasons I modded past devices was because the roms almost always ran better than stock but the 7x imho runs great. Used to be kernels for better battery life and such. I like custom roms because I like to be able to do certain things that stock roms limited as far as customizing goes. A lot of people hate bloat and end up deleting every file on the phone that isn't necessary or to their liking to make the rom as minimal as possible.
But as of now I'm happy with the phone and don't feel the urge to need to root and and a custom recovery. The roms that eventually come would have to offer something worthwhile to flash. But hell, that's subject to change given how I'm feeling that day lol. There's a new AOSP based rom in another thread that sounds promising
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Will Huawei / Honor release a stock image of Nougat and Oreo ? ...
Re-Reading my own words, as to what is the motivation for everyone Rooting Nougat now.. and what is anyone getting out of doing it.. because so much of what you would normally do with Admin Access is already incorperated into the 7x..
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I assume that you already know this ... but I should mention it for others that you can run TWRP (if there is a version for one's phone) without flashing it. (I don't have my 7x yet, so I prob really shouldn't be trying to give detailed instructions anyways.) From there, you can make backups of the stock image, stock recovery, etc. (So thx again to this forum for reminding me that I should backup all stock images as soon as I receive my 7x so that MY fingerprints are not all over the backups.)
As to rooting, there ARE at least 2 things that Huawei hasn't provided without root:
Yes, I can make app backups (and/or use the Huawei "easy transfer"... not sure what app that is at the moment) but I'd assume that I won't be able to transfer it to a non-Huawei device. That's why I continue to use Titanium Backup.
USB Mass Storage Enabling (and by extension Selinux Passive mode). I want fast transfer to my desktop, etc.... and I want a drive-letter (yes, there are Win programs which only work with drive letters). Without UMS, I haven't found a way to do that.
Hi everyone,
I've been trying to figure out for a few days on other threads, hows I can rollback my phone, lock the phone, and update to Pie. I need to take it in for warranty service tomorrow morning (camera often won't focus) and haven't been able to find out how to do this safely. I am unlocked, rooted, and running on version 385 which I downloaded from FF and flashed using HuR in TWRP.
If anyone could provide me with instructions for how to get this phone to where I need it to be to give it to the warranty shop, I would very much appreciated it. Any help is very much appreciated.
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Hey guys, sorry to be a broken record, I just really want to get my phone fixed under warranty before my brother's wedding (there is a problem with the camera). If someone could please tell me how to go back to stock and lock the bootloader so I can update to PIE that would be great. I have been told by the warranty service people that I need to have the newest update on the phone and wipe the phone of my personal data before bringing it in.
Instructions would be great, and any help is appreciated!
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Just a bump to explain:
Hey guys, sorry to be a broken record, I just really want to get my phone fixed under warranty before my brother's wedding (there is a problem with the camera). If someone could please tell me how to go back to stock and lock the bootloader so I can update to PIE that would be great. I have been told by the warranty service people that I need to have the newest update on the phone and wipe the phone of my personal data before bringing it in.
Instructions would be great, and any help is appreciated!
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who told you that you MUST have the latest update for the warranty to be honored? Just reinstall stock B385 with HuRU and relock the bootloader. Something like
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fastboot oem lock
Should work.
EDIT: sorry, here you have exact info: https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-9/help/lock-honor-9-bootloader-t3676444
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who told you that you MUST have the latest update for the warranty to be honored? Just reinstall stock B385 with HuRU and relock the bootloader. Something like
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fastboot oem lock
or
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fastboot oem lock
Should work.
EDIT: sorry, here you have exact info: https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-9/help/lock-honor-9-bootloader-t3676444
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thanks for the message. The guy I spoke with on the phone at the location I have to take the phone told me that. If I reflash 385 stock unrooted and relock, could I then allow the PIE update to install?
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thanks for the message. The guy I spoke with on the phone at the location I have to take the phone told me that. If I reflash 385 stock unrooted and relock, could I then allow the PIE update to install?
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I guess so.
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I guess so.
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and I could do this HuR updater?
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and I could do this HuR updater?
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I guess you can... But last time I used HuRu I was able to (very) hard brick my phone...