It's not a clickbait,saw some early antutu scores and noticed one interesting thing. Theres Normal mode and Performace(cheat?!) mode.
Phone is ofc designed to be used in normal mode in 24/7 use,since performace produces more heat and raises power consumption beyond level for sustainable use.
In normal mode phone seriously underperforms in benchmarks,for example gets 270k while SD845 phones are getting 290k+. Performance mode bumps Kirin's scores to 310k+.
Other area where phone underperforms is GPU section under antutu. Gets bout 9k in normal mode and 10k in performance mode while Ardeno 630 powered phones score 12k w ease.
I know these benchmarks don't mean much in general use but in phone gaming era,you can actually feel that difference(having owned both Mate 10 Pro and OP6).
I think history repeated itself and we got SoC that will barely match last generation of SD and be totally obliterated by next.
Guess we'll know more when Anandtech makes in depth review.
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It's not a clickbait,saw some early antutu scores and noticed one interesting thing. Theres Normal mode and Performace(cheat?!) mode.
Phone is ofc designed to be used in normal mode in 24/7 use,since performace produces more heat and raises power consumption beyond level for sustainable use.
In normal mode phone seriously underperforms in benchmarks,for example gets 270k while SD845 phones are getting 290k+. Performance mode bumps Kirin's scores to 310k+.
Other area where phone underperforms is GPU section under antutu. Gets bout 9k in normal mode and 10k in performance mode while Ardeno 630 powered phones score 12k w ease.
I know these benchmarks don't mean much in general use but in phone gaming era,you can actually feel that difference(having owned both Mate 10 Pro and OP6).
I think history repeated itself and we got SoC that will barely match last generation of SD and be totally obliterated by next.
Guess we'll know more when Anandtech makes in depth review.
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I think you're right. Next snapdragon gpu will kick its behind! Cause its not much better gpu wise than the 845 right now, if at all?
But the gpu's these days are overkill for most things and I'm loving the look of the mate 20 X. It'll be good enough
No actually it has a worse GPU than 845.
And I wouldn't call all GPUs of this era an overkill taken into consideration levels of graphics we're getting in new games.
I know that most of ppl don't game on their phones but numbers of those who do are rapidly growing and mobile gaming market is becoming larger and larger by every day.
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No actually it has a worse GPU than 845.
And I wouldn't call all GPUs of this era an overkill taken into consideration levels of graphics we're getting in new games.
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Overkill for most games? No? And I'm hoping it's on par at least with 845 which handles everything I throw at it really easily.
The Mali G76MP10 is actually slower then the Adreno 630 but at least, it should be quite power efficient. Just read the Kirin 980 article from Anandtech.
Im waiting for anandtech review of Kirin not previews. Not interested in pre release benchmarks but real one, along power consumption and throttling.
Kirin 970 also should have been power efficient but it turned quite opposite.
The GPU is probably fine, but not able to compete with SD845 under normal speeds. So Hisilicon pushed it beyond limits to get the edge over SD845. Kind of like how Vega 64 was pushed beyond limits to get faster than the GTX 1080.
Like before on the Kirin 960 and 970, the max GPU speed is impressive, but not at all sustainable.
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Anandtech talks about power efficiency of new generation chips and mentions how the nexus 10 gets throttled down in high stress graph8c situations. Heres the specific page, at the bottom. And the article really shows just how much the cortex consumes in power, much, much more than other chipsets.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6536/arm-vs-x86-the-real-showdown/13
One of the most misleading articles I've ever read on Anandtech, that. It's full of interesting info, but ultimately there are few conclusions you can really draw other than that the 5250 has a very high TDP!
A lot of graphs show total power consumption when running a given benchmark/task, and then use this data to make assumptions on architecture/chipset performance. Even ignoring the "total device power draw" graphs (the N10 screen will suck MUCH more power than the crappy 1366x768 panels in the other tablets tested) and sticking purely to the CPU/GPU power draw comparison graphs, it must be considered that these devices are running a COMPLETELY different software stack!
This is like drawing comparisons on tyre grip when tyre A has been tested on tarmac, fitted to a 2 ton Bentley, with ambient temps of 40C and tyre B on snow, fitted to a 500kg caterham and in -20C ambient: There is simply too much different to even try and perform any kind of comparison between them. All you can do is look at the test results in isolation.
Agreed total power is way affected by the N10's screen, but at least it gives people an answer as to why they are getting slow down in games like NFS:MW
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Agreed total power is way affected by the N10's screen, but at least it gives people an answer as to why they are getting slow down in games like NFS:MW
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Except for the people who aren't getting any slowdowns in NFS:MW on the N10, myself being one of them.
So, no, it doesn't provide a conclusive answer for that, either.
What it does is provide another data point
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Except for the people who aren't getting any slowdowns in NFS:MW on the N10, myself being one of them
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I'd have to see it to believe it at this point. Can you actually distinguish when FPS changes occur (no offense or anything like that; I know someone who claims a game ran "smoothly" to them, and I can see framerate jumping all over the place, and not even being that high to start with)?
Perhaps you have a decent camera (60 FPS recording preferred) where you can show proof of such? And also are you using a custom kernel or ROM?
I've noticed that the ambient temperature in the room influences thermal throttling. If I'm sitting in a room with a jacket on and it's 65F/18C then I don't have throttling issues like when I'm sitting near the fireplace and the ambient temperature is around 80F/27C. Maybe that's obvious but just bringing it up as a possible reason why some people may not see throttling during hard gaming. I definitely see throttling playing Critical Strike Portable (Multiplayer online), and I don't remember seeing that on the N7. I still use the N10 for gaming though because the screen is so nice, I just cringe every time I see some throttling.
I changed my thermal throttle limit to 90, had no problems so far
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Pretty good write up..
One thing I find really interesting were those insanely low GPU consumption numbers by the N10 during the sun spider, kraken, etc test. The article didn't mention it (surprised), but there's two pieces of tech in the Exynos5 that are somewhat related to that:
PSR mode may be showing it's face in browser benchmarks, which cuts a lot of power when the screen is on a static image.
And OpenCL support. Which doesn't look like it's being utilized here, as GPU power consumption would probably be higher, but should bring total power consumption down by using the GPU cores to help out in task processing, similar to CUDA. I'd love to see this implemented since our SoC supports it.
can the one x+ play games like asphalt 8 at high visualy quality with no lag? or are most high end games by gameloft ea rockstar gta games laggy unoptimized for tegra 3 still, would anyone advise me to get this phone for gaming? NOT INCLUDING tegra 3 designed games. the ones by gameloft are better IMO
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can the one x+ play games like asphalt 8 at high visualy quality with no lag? or are most high end games by gameloft ea rockstar gta games laggy unoptimized for tegra 3 still, would anyone advise me to get this phone for gaming? NOT INCLUDING tegra 3 designed games. the ones by gameloft are better IMO
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This phone is the Worst Choice for Gaming on stock rom
even dual core phones can run asphalt 8 better than hox+.because it's not optimized for tegra3 (many games)
and the phone battery temperature gets very high...sth about 50-55°C or higher
I advise you >> Buy another Phone
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This phone is the Worst Choice for Gaming on stock rom
even dual core phones can run asphalt 8 better than hox+.because it's not optimized for tegra3 (many games)
and the phone battery temperature gets very high...sth about 50-55°C or higher
I advise you >> Buy another Phone
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2nd this. I am quite satisfied with the gaming performance but i could not tolerate the heat from the Tegra 3. If only mine is not a gift, i would sell it to get something better. HTC is not too friendly with development for this device as well. I wonder why they are spoiling the One series but neglecting the One X+ as it is one of their top devices
If all your intrested in is gaming... I'd buy a cheap phone and spend the rest on a shield!
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High end gaming and mobile gaming do not go in the same sentence. People don't understand specs don't mean SH*T if there is no cooling method or ventilation put into these devices. It could have all the 2.6ghz quad core snapdragon 1000 processor with 4gb of ram and 1tb of memory. Without anyway of cooling or ventilation you will yield 10-15min of "high end gaming" until the device feels too hot to handle so you will stop or the device stops itself from becoming too hot.
Phone specs look great on paper. What lacks is high end software for the high end specs and no cooling or ventilation. What's the use of a 800hp muscle car if there is zero ventilation to the engine???
Get a gameboy bro
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High end gaming and mobile gaming do not go in the same sentence. People don't understand specs don't mean SH*T if there is no cooling method or ventilation put into these devices. It could have all the 2.6ghz quad core snapdragon 1000 processor with 4gb of ram and 1tb of memory. Without anyway of cooling or ventilation you will yield 10-15min of "high end gaming" until the device feels too hot to handle so you will stop or the device stops itself from becoming too hot.
Phone specs look great on paper. What lacks is high end software for the high end specs and no cooling or ventilation. What's the use of a 800hp muscle car if there is zero ventilation to the engine???
Get a gameboy bro
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Hmm, I don't know. Cause I can play Real Racing 3 for about an hour before battery is 0%. It doesn't over heat anymore. I gave it for repairs and told HTC overheating is the biggest issue now they solved it. Also told them battery has an issue, finishes too fast, they fixed it now I can high end gaming for an hour, previously 40 minutes
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If had this phone for like 2 weeks now, it was given to me as a graduation gift. My dad picked it because on paper, its a beast of a phone. 1.9ghz quad core CPU and Adreno graphics processor. In theory, based on these stats, it should be able to run Real Racing 3, MMX Racing, and other high quality games without issue or frame drop. This, sadly, is not the case, RR3 is unplayable and MMX racing has low framerate so timing the takeoffs and landings are difficult. What can anyone tell me about this problem. I do clear up all the RAM possible, but this isnt the issue, they are frame drops not, stutters, I obviously have power saving off. What can all you fancy phone gurus tell me about why this is occurring and what can be done.
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If had this phone for like 2 weeks now, it was given to me as a graduation gift. My dad picked it because on paper, its a beast of a phone. 1.9ghz quad core CPU and Adreno graphics processor. In theory, based on these stats, it should be able to run Real Racing 3, MMX Racing, and other high quality games without issue or frame drop. This, sadly, is not the case, RR3 is unplayable and MMX racing has low framerate so timing the takeoffs and landings are difficult. What can anyone tell me about this problem. I do clear up all the RAM possible, but this isnt the issue, they are frame drops not, stutters, I obviously have power saving off. What can all you fancy phone gurus tell me about why this is occurring and what can be done.
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Nope
never going to happen
you need to learn a bit more about hardware just because its 'quad core' and has a 'adreno' doesn't mean its not slower then a 3 Legged dog
the S4 is pretty dam slow by modern standards out of the box brand new it scores a meager 26147 in antutu benchmark for comparison something like the Galaxy S5 which is one generation newer scores about 3800
and real-racing 3 still doesn't run very well on the s5
current top-end phones will score about 50K
bottom line your dad brought you a outdated slow phone that nobody should be using in 2016
and I say that as a owner of 4 galaxy S4's
You bought the slow S4 variant, known to be choppy in games. The GPU can't run those games at an enjoyable frame rate, but can perform well on every other task, I guess.
A pretty decent S4 would be the LTE-A variant, with its hardware comparable to the S5. Basically it has a 2.3GHz processor and a way better GPU (~x2).
Even if I don't play I refused to buy it for its crappy performance and went for the snappier variant, twice.
Some phones are great to take camping because if you play Asphalt 8 long enough, the back warms up to the ideal temperature that can bake bread. Rate this thread to express the extent to which the Samsung Galaxy Note 9 stays cool under extended heavy use. A higher rating indicates that even when playing strenuous games for long periods of time, the phone doesn't get uncomfortably warm.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Galaxy Note 9 water cooling tested: Does it really work? tom's guide test:
https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/21/galaxy-note-9-water-cooling-tested-does-it-really-work/
This test is flawed. His thoughts on heat and his reasoning is proof that he doesn't know anything about processor heat.
The device still gets hot... sure it does. Samsung never said the processor doesn't generate heat. The heat pipe is designed to move the heat away from the processor... but it has to go somewhere. The case still gets as hot as the Note 8, because the processor is still generating heat. It just moves that heat away more efficiently from the processor. That simple fact discredits the entire video. The case is the device's radiator, and the new water carbon thing simply moves the heat to the case more efficiently.
Despite his expert results that the water cooling isnt' making a differnece, the fat that the case is hotter IS PROOF that it IS WORKING.
To properly test the device, stress the device, get it hot, then see what the benchmark numbers are compared to a similarly hot Note 8. You will see, that the processor runs faster when the case is hot than the Note 8 did. (taking account the fact that they are different generation processors) Or more properly, test the fall off between a cold device and a hot one.
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This test is flawed. His thoughts on heat and his reasoning is proof that he doesn't know anything about processor heat.
The device still gets hot... sure it does. Samsung never said the processor doesn't generate heat. The heat pipe is designed to move the heat away from the processor... but it has to go somewhere. The case still gets as hot as the Note 8, because the processor is still generating heat. It just moves that heat away more efficiently from the processor. That simple fact discredits the entire video. The case is the device's radiator, and the new water carbon thing simply moves the heat to the case more efficiently.
Despite his expert results that the water cooling isnt' making a differnece, the fat that the case is hotter IS PROOF that it IS WORKING.
To properly test the device, stress the device, get it hot, then see what the benchmark numbers are compared to a similarly hot Note 8. You will see, that the processor runs faster when the case is hot than the Note 8 did. (taking account the fact that they are different generation processors) Or more properly, test the fall off between a cold device and a hot one.
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Exactly this! I am baffled how many comments from the media are there about how the cooling doesn't work, because the phone body gets hot. Roflmao... this is a closed environment, where the heat will go? I would argue that the phone body should be even hotter with better cooling on the SOC. That cooling is there to prevent performance degradation/throttling and let the cpu/gpu/whole SOC perform better, NOT to lower the body temperature.
https://hothardware.com/news/galaxy-note-9-vs-oneplus-6-benchmark-bake-off
Here you got the right comparison and it's clear - note 9 sustain performance is better than oneplus 6 that is one of the top in that regards.
This isn't scientific, but while setting the phone up and having the screen on for 2 hours straight, restoring backups and downloading apps, the phone didn't get very hot. I haven't tested gaming yet, but so far heat doesn't seem to be an issue.
It would be great if people post CPU and batteru temp, version (exynos or snapdragon) and how the phone is being used when it gets hot.
If you don't have systems check app, here is one
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=flar2.devcheck
Thanks
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Exactly this! I am baffled how many comments from the media are there about how the cooling doesn't work, because the phone body gets hot. Roflmao... this is a closed environment, where the heat will go? I would argue that the phone body should be even hotter with better cooling on the SOC. That cooling is there to prevent performance degradation/throttling and let the cpu/gpu/whole SOC perform better, NOT to lower the body temperature.
https://hothardware.com/news/galaxy-note-9-vs-oneplus-6-benchmark-bake-off
Here you got the right comparison and it's clear - note 9 sustain performance is better than oneplus 6 that is one of the top in that regards.
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This is great. It shows that they actually know what they're talking about, haha.
This phone sure generates some heat. But for me, coming from note 4, the heat is significantly lesser without compromising performance.
Agree on poster above on the phone casing acts as a radiator. As the copper pipe size has increased, I'm not surprised about the heat. Its still manageable.
Buy something like spigen tough armor and you won't feel the heat at all. If it works without problems, don't kill brain with unimportant things....otherwise you have warranty
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Thanks @boufa I was about to complain about the phone getting hot while running multiple applications but I read your comment and come to think about it,it didn't bog down. You must be an engineer or something?
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It would be great if people post CPU and batteru temp, version (exynos or snapdragon) and how the phone is being used when it gets hot.
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I tried an app called "Synchronize Ultimate", which made my Note 9 hot as hell. I've uninstalled, because its tasks aren't (shouldn't be) this CPU intensive at all. Looks like bad code.
Other than that, the only times it feels a little hot is after having been recharged on Wireless charger. All the rest seems like a walk in the park for this Exynos board.
I think this Qualcomm Snapdragon variants suffer from this issue the most as the adreno GPU has a tendency to produce allot of heat. The Samsung Exynos variants do not suffer from this issue and tend to run allot cooler. I have noticed this with both my Note 4 N910C and my Note 8 N950N.
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I think this Qualcomm Snapdragon variants suffer from this issue the most as the adreno GPU has a tendency to produce allot of heat. The Samsung Exynos variants do not suffer from this issue and tend to run allot cooler. I have noticed this with both my Note 4 N910C and my Note 8 N950N.
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You can't compare different SOCs like that. 9810 is quite a hot chip actually. If you will compare, compare the exact SOC generation and in this case - sd845 vs exynos 9810. For example my s7e exynos has a lot better battery life/CPU performance/smoothness vs sd820 variant that is only slightly faster in GPU. This year (search the forums) sd845 got better battery life, faster real world CPU performance, is smoother and has 25-35% faster GPU depending on the load. If I go by you, I will write all day long how great the exynos is based on 2y ago chip where this was true compared to that time qualcomm variant... and this is wrong for this year.
Generalising like that in fast moving forward industry is not a good thing. Never state something about a SOC because of previous ones.
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Some phones are great to take camping because if you play Asphalt 8 long enough, the back warms up to the ideal temperature that can bake bread. Rate this thread to express the extent to which the Samsung Galaxy Note 9 stays cool under extended heavy use. A higher rating indicates that even when playing strenuous games for long periods of time, the phone doesn't get uncomfortably warm.
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Sorry but my experience has been very different and a bit disappointing.
I was testing 4k 60fps recording on a "sunny day" Note 9 vs iPhone X vs OnePlus 6.
The iPhone went on for 10 min no problem with 4k at 60fps. OnePlus 6 also didn't heat up as much.
note 9 on the other hand can only do 4k 60 fps for 5 min and got very hot and video recording shut off after 3 min. I got an onscreen msg saying phone is too hot won't be able to continue untill it cools down etc.
In 2018 I would expect Snapdragon would be able to record in 4k 60fps for at least 10 min. [emoji35]
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Sorry but my experience has been very different and a bit disappointing.
I was testing 4k 60fps recording on a "sunny day" Note 9 vs iPhone X vs OnePlus 6.
The iPhone went on for 10 min no problem with 4k at 60fps. OnePlus 6 also didn't heat up as much.
note 9 on the other hand can only do 4k 60 fps for 5 min and got very hot and video recording shut off after 3 min. I got an onscreen msg saying phone is too hot won't be able to continue untill it cools down etc.
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In this case be sure that your Note 9 phone needs to be replaced or returned
I was a Note 4 & S7 user and I would never thought Samsung or any OEM will solve this heat problems on the future but... here comes Samsung Note 9 to prove me wrong about it... It would NEVER heat ... and when I say heat.. is when it comes uncomfortable to hold it on my hand.. when I was having Note 4 or S7.. it would heat alot specially on the upper center of the screen whenever I put heavy load into it. Putting the same heavy load that I would put it on Note 4 or S7 on a Note 9 Exynos... it was huge difference like day & night Note 9 Exynos version will always stay cooler compared to Snapdragon. I tried both and I buyed the Exynos variant with a peace of mind :angel:
Snapdragon have a history of heat problems when using Octa cores on there SOC and I wouldn't be surprised if it is still suffering from this problem in 2018 or even 2019 also Exynos have a history too but to a lesser extent than Snapdragon
I all what I said above is through experience that I went through.... YMMV Peace out! :fingers-crossed:
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In this case be sure that your Note 9 phone needs to be replaced or returned
I was a Note 4 & S7 user and I would never thought Samsung or any OEM will solve this heat problems on the future but... here comes Samsung Note 9 to prove me wrong about it... It would NEVER heat ... and when I say heat.. is when it comes uncomfortable to hold it on my hand.. when I was having Note 4 or S7.. it would heat alot specially on the upper center of the screen whenever I put heavy load into it. Putting the same heavy load that I would put it on Note 4 or S7 on a Note 9 Exynos... it was huge difference like day & night Note 9 Exynos version will always stay cooler compared to Snapdragon. I tried both and I buyed the Exynos variant with a peace of mind :angel:
Snapdragon have a history of heat problems when using Octa cores on there SOC and I wouldn't be surprised if it is still suffering from this problem in 2018 or even 2019 also Exynos have a history too but to a lesser extent than Snapdragon
I all what I said above is through experience that I went through.... YMMV Peace out! :fingers-crossed:
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Thanks for the input. Unfortunately I didn't have my IR temp reader and it's now it's impossible to replicate the issue coz it's colder. Apart from that I haven't had any other issue.
I might make YT video about it in near future. Unfortunately have never used Exonys here in US and have heard great things about it.
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Sorry but my experience has been very different and a bit disappointing.
I was testing 4k 60fps recording on a "sunny day" Note 9 vs iPhone X vs OnePlus 6.
The iPhone went on for 10 min no problem with 4k at 60fps. OnePlus 6 also didn't heat up as much.
note 9 on the other hand can only do 4k 60 fps for 5 min and got very hot and video recording shut off after 3 min. I got an onscreen msg saying phone is too hot won't be able to continue untill it cools down etc.
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It's known that every year the exynos is vastly superior in encoding/decoding capabilities. The exynos 9810 most likely won't suffer from that problem at all (actually I found comments about your statement and all were about sd845). Really poor indeed that samsung didn't optimise the sd845 the same way as oneplus did... :/ Maybe there is something to do also with bitrate (this one is not tied only to the reslolution/FPS of the video), maybe the note 9 records a lot more info = higher load on the SOC = more heat vs the oneplus.
i'm comparing my note 9 with my poco F1, my N9 is way higher than poco F1.
The only time mine gets hot is when I fast charge, I've tried virtually every high performance game there is and the ac rarely goes past 100-105f
Mine get hot realy fast when is in car in sun with waze open. I get a messsage phone is overheat and all app are closed cant open must restart. Happend couple of times. Realy dissapointed. Note 7 was the best phone i ever had. No heat at all. Then note 8. No heat issues. Cant wait note 10. Im seek of note 9 problem with pie
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Snapdragon vs Exynos - will we notice the difference? even with 865+ vs possible 990
Some guy on YouTube have both versions and says there's no noticeable difference. Sometimes Exynos is faster and sometimes the Snapdragon. He even claims Exynos has better battery life.
If you watch Phonebuff's battery test, you'll notice the difference is small. Only when using intensive apps or games will drain Exynos faster than SD. So I can imagine in light use they perform the same.
How to put it nicely here:
Exynos is a worse chipset overall, but this year with Exynos 990 Samsung hugelly screw it up.
Performance is 20% less than Snapdragon 865 and 30% less than the new Snapdragon 865+
The power eefficenty is the same 20% lame than Snapdragon 865 and 30% lame than the new Snapdragon 865+
But we are forced to pay the same amount of money as the ones getting Snapdragon 865+ chipset which is not fair from Samsung side. And this can be called a disccrimination, in this global rasial dispute..
In all honesty. The average Joe is probably not gonna notice much of a difference between a Exynos or SD device.
The average Joe is not gonna notice because he won't have both to compare. But what he will certainly notice is the worse battery life, worse image processing, heating and dropping frame rates compared to other SD devices and will come to the obvious conclusion. Samsung isn't worth the salt.
IMO we should skip this iteration. Companies change their ways only if the sale numbers make them. As long as people throw their bags of money not caring that they pay the same(or even more) for an inferior version of the product Samsung will continue their unfair practice.
I don't really mind since I rarely game on my phone. But i do mind the lesser battery life we get on exynos.