Hello,
I'm wondering why the calories burned during an elliptical session monitered by the Pace vary so much. It's crazy. I did the exact same program for all these sessions, a 30-minute with 30-35 seconds at high intensity every 2 minutes, with maximum incline.
Heart rate was pretty much the same every time, but the calories count make no sense. My Schwinn 470 is way too optimistic I think, giving me always 420-440 calories burned for 30 minutes, but the Pace values are out of this world (from 68 to 316)... I'm thinking a realistic value would be around 250 so the Pace was right only once out of 6 sessions?
Anyone noticed these variations while doing elliptical?
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Check the HR graph, it's where the problem is. Calories burned calculation is heavily based on HR, but optical PPG used in Pace/Stratos (only one sensor) isn't reliable when you move your arm a lot, for better results use a chest or arm strap.
Ok, but how can you explain then that there is a session where the HR was higher and still showed way less calories burned than an another one with a lower HR?
Average value doesn't matter, without the graphs I can't say anything about the results...
Well, it seems that the last software upgrade changed things a lot. My last 2 elliptical sessions, same routine as before when my Schwinn machine always gave me around 420-430 calories burned while my Pace gave only around 100-130, now, the Pace gives almost the same as the Schwinn, around 420-450 calories burned. Anyone noticed that much of a change in other activities? I read that the last upgrade improved the heart rate detection. Must be the explanation.
Both were improved: HR algorithm (more stable when recording activities) and calories burned estimation (finally they are not underestimated anymore, they are now closer to the values from other sources).
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I bought the Fit 2 band to replace my Polar band. It is comfortable and looks great. But I found a problem: According manual, it should have an information about burnt calories during training. Band has it, but only by activities like run, walk, cycling (first 4 activities). By eliptical, rotoped, joga and other Home/Gym activities it shows only time and heart rate. Does anybody have the same problem? Or could you check it at your bands that it is a SW bug? Thanks
"Pilates" mode has HR tracking. But "Other workout" does not
There is no weightlifting or indoor high intensive training (for example les mills bodypump/bodycombat) "program". Had to use "pilates". But seems to be "pilates" calories calculation is not correct (too small - 326 calories, average HR 151, duration 1hr, 100kg body weight). Other training programs not matched.
Probably calories calculation algorithm in pilates "knows" that pilates activity is slow and smooth, and therefore calories count is less than in high intensive training.
pavelbor said:
"Pilates" mode has HR tracking. But "Other workout" does not
There is no weightlifting or indoor high intensive training (for example les mills bodypump/bodycombat) "program". Had to use "pilates". But seems to be "pilates" calories calculation is not correct (too small - 326 calories, average HR 151, duration 1hr, 100kg body weight). Other training programs not matched.
Probably calories calculation algorithm in pilates "knows" that pilates activity is slow and smooth, and therefore calories count is less than in high intensive training.
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HR tracking is there by each activity , I think. But I am not shure, if HR tracking affect result of burnt calories calculated by band. By my previous Polar were bigger differences of burnt calories, wenn I excercise in lower and higher HR zones, but I have it only second day, I have to test it more preciselly. Mostly I use stationary bike and I miss now showing of calories, probably I will try to use excercise "bicycle" instead of "stationary bicycle" at band to see calories during excercise.
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HR tracking is there by each activity , I think.
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No, not in every activity. "Other workout" does not track HR.
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But I am not shure, if HR tracking affect result of burnt calories calculated by band.
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Yep, same question
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No, not in every activity. "Other workout" does not track HR.
You are correct. I didn´t tryied "Other workout" till yet
Still remains the question... It is a bug, or what? Why is calories and other counters missing? I wrote to Samsung support , but no answer yet.
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Yep, same question
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I checked now also this. I tryied stationary bicycle, first 10 minutes with relaxed warming tempo (with HR 95-105). result:burned 110 calories. Next 10 minutes with higher tempo (HR 115-125): result, burned 109 calories. Definitelly Samsung SW doesn´t consider heart rate, so you can excercise easily, or hard burn your fat, for Gear Fit 2 the result of burnt calories is the same. It is really frustrating. After 20 minutes I could know, what will be shown at Fit 2 band.
Result: till Samsung do not update their SW, I cannot recommend Gear Fit 2 for Fitness purpose
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I checked now also this. I tryied stationary bicycle, first 10 minutes with relaxed warming tempo (with HR 95-105). result:burned 110 calories.
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I can confirm, "stationary bicycle" program - exactly same result. 10 minutes just being home (walk from one room to another) with HR 63-105 gave me 125 calories.
Hiking (duration 25 min, distance about 2km, average HR 112) - 130 calories.
I have read in another forum, that if you do running as a workout, the GF2 considers the heart rate.
But I didn't try that out yet.
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I have read in another forum, that if you do running as a workout, the GF2 considers the heart rate.
But I didn't try that out yet.
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Definitelly doesnt consider HR nowhere. Samsung customer care line had confitmed it.
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Definitelly doesnt consider HR nowhere. Samsung customer care line had confitmed it.
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I did two 15-minute runs today.
First: Average HR: 118, burned calories: 209
Second: Average HR: 152, burned calories: 279
So I think it does consider HR. At least when you run.
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I did two 15-minute runs today.
First: Average HR: 118, burned calories: 209
Second: Average HR: 152, burned calories: 279
So I think it does consider HR. At least when you run.
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So maybe Samsung dosnt know, or is in algorytm other parameter by running, like distance. I' ve tested only indoor excercise, stationary bike.
There is definitely bug in calories calculation on Gear Fit2.
Example 1: there is no weightlifting or indoor high intensive training (for example les mills bodypump/bodycombat) "program". Had to use "pilates" instead. But seems to be "pilates" calories calculation is not correct (too small - 326 calories, average HR 151, duration 1hr). Other training programs did not matched. 326 cal/Hr.
Example 2: Stationary bicycle "program", first 10 minutes with relaxed warming tempo (with HR 95-105). result:burned 110 calories. Next 10 minutes with higher tempo (HR 115-125): result, burned 109 calories. 700 cal/Hr
Example 3: Stationary bicycle "program" - 10 minutes just being home (walk from one room to another) with HR 63-105 gave me 115 calories. 700 cal/Hr
Example 4: Hiking (duration 25 min, distance about 2 km, average HR 112) - 130 calories. 280 cal/Hr
Example 5: Indoor walking 17 min, average HR 119 - 155 calories. 600 cal/Hr
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There is definitely bug in calories calculation on Gear Fit2.
Example 1: there is no weightlifting or indoor high intensive training (for example les mills bodypump/bodycombat) "program". Had to use "pilates" instead. But seems to be "pilates" calories calculation is not correct (too small - 326 calories, average HR 151, duration 1hr). Other training programs did not matched. 326 cal/Hr.
Example 2: Stationary bicycle "program", first 10 minutes with relaxed warming tempo (with HR 95-105). result:burned 110 calories. Next 10 minutes with higher tempo (HR 115-125): result, burned 109 calories. 700 cal/Hr
Example 3: Stationary bicycle "program" - 10 minutes just being home (walk from one room to another) with HR 63-105 gave me 115 calories. 700 cal/Hr
Example 4: Hiking (duration 25 min, distance about 2 km, average HR 112) - 130 calories. 280 cal/Hr
Example 5: Indoor walking 17 min, average HR 119 - 155 calories. 600 cal/Hr
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I can only confirm. I came to same result. It is very disapointing, such a good looking device with many option and such a failture for fitness tracking. Hoping for quick software release, otherways I ll buy other band or watch.
Yes, the calorie algo seems to be buggered.
I used the watch for a 55min skate last night. Usually get 650-750cals during that. It reported an average of 138bpm. Total calories burned, 36.
36.
I think the calorie burning algo in general is just messed up. Looking at my logs since I got the watch, I'm barely 100 calories above my estimated BMR for every day. That would imply I'm sedentary and not moving.
I've noticed a few other bugs, I assume they're trying to iron them out as the watch has been getting daily updates .. unfortunately they don't install. Very "beta" feel to it software wise.
So far the bugs and odd decisions I've seen:
- Incorrect cal calculation for workouts
- Doesn't track floors. Some days I get credit, others I do not (I don't wear it in the shower as that can throw off the barometer). Might be tied to speed of movement?
- Missing a weightlifting / interval option on the band, even though it's in the S Health app.
- App doesn't update the band like it's supposed to.
- No option to change the flip-to-wake to be inverted (for wearing on the inside of the watch)
- No option to have the 24hr log list in 12hr AM/PM format.
- Inactive notifications on the band don't seem to work (?).
- Power Save mode is a nice touch. But it'd be better if you could toggle it to be automatic at a certain % (like 15% of battery).
- Goals do not automatically adjust based on your progress. This is standard for many trackers these days.
Now for those reading this, they may be thinking this device sucks. It can be fixed if they give it proper software support. I switched from a Band 2 to this. It has a great build quality, great screen, very comfortable, and great graphic presentation of the data right on the band. Magnetic charging is nice and it charges at about 1.32%/min. So full charge in just over an hour. Battery life is around 60hrs for me.
Today I recieved answer from local Samsung Customer Care Line, to my questions about missing calculation counting during indoor/gym excercise and calculation of burned calories without HR consideration. Here it is, translated from Slovak language:
"Continuous monitoring of calories burned is only by 4 basic exercises. For other exercises you can see the calories burned after completion of exercise. This is a feature of the watch.
Regarding the calories burned with consideration to heart rate, the situation is exactly as you describe. However, it is a new product and software is constantly evolving and improving. So it is possible that there will be repaired and improvements in a future version of firmware."
Samsung Customer Care Line
74Marek said:
Today I recieved answer from local Samsung Customer Care Line, to my questions about missing calculation counting during indoor/gym excercise and calculation of burned calories without HR consideration. Here it is, translated from Slovak language:
"Continuous monitoring of calories burned is only by 4 basic exercises. For other exercises you can see the calories burned after completion of exercise. This is a feature of the watch.
Regarding the calories burned with consideration to heart rate, the situation is exactly as you describe. However, it is a new product and software is constantly evolving and improving. So it is possible that there will be repaired and improvements in a future version of firmware."
Samsung Customer Care Line
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I take that second part to mean that they are aware of the calorie counting bug?
I really wish Samsung would take a page out of Fitbit/Microsoft's book and get a user voice forum. It really helps them get valuable feedback. From what I can tell, there's not even a way to submit a bug report within the apps.
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I take that second part to mean that they are aware of the calorie counting bug?
I really wish Samsung would take a page out of Fitbit/Microsoft's book and get a user voice forum. It really helps them get valuable feedback. From what I can tell, there's not even a way to submit a bug report within the apps.
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Hi. Now they know in Samsung, there is a way to do Calorie counting more precise, but if they update their SW? I really do not know. From their mail I feel only unclear promisses. Maybe yes, maybe no. I think, If they get more claims like mine, they start to think about, otherways I rather go back to Polar, or similar device, even if by Samsung, HW is perfect, I like music player, GPS and beutiful display.
Yeah something is definitely up. I just got my gear fit 2 yesterday. Right out of the box as soon as it was set up it said I had burned 1500 calories. I figured it was just a glitch and would reset in the morning to an accurate count. Woke up after the device was charged all night and it said I had already burned 500 calories. Any way to calibrate this?
These are calories burned while you're resting. Even when you sleep. Base metabolism calculated by your watch.
I've had mine for a few days and mine is doing the samend thing. Taking it out of the box and setting it up I burned 1000 calories, lol. Was camping over the weekend and walked a lot. Got in 14,436 steps and my watch says I burned 2214 calories. Even with the 500 I woke up with (sleeping 6h 36m) I do not think I've burned that many calories. The first watch did this too and I returned it after a day. Wondering if it isn't from a setting in my phone. Have you figured out how to fix it yet?
Some fitness tracked include the BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate), some others do not. Samsung Gear Fit2 does, which means that the shown value raises automatically even without any aditonal moving.
I have for example a BMR of 1845 kcal, which means, that in 6 hours, my BMR is around 461 kcal. When I wake up in the morning, the 500 kcal is fine for me. As long as you know how to thread it.
There is no option to change this and there is also no option to divide BMR and additonal burned calories.
Concerning the calculation of burned calories I totally agree: The Gear Fit2 calculates very very temperate. For me this is better than if id would show me more burned calories. But definitely has to be improved.
Thought I'd hop on this train too. Purchased a Fit2 yesterday and will be returning it this evening. I have done two work outs and the estimated calories burned is ludicrously low. In an hour long work out this morning, my Polar H7 said I burned 712 calories while the Fit2 said 378. Whats really sad, is that the heart rate data is totally usable, which was my concern before purchasing.
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Taking it out of the box and setting it up I burned 1000 calories, lol.
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I have the same exact thing. The calorie count is over 1000, even after multiple factory resets and trying to setup without a phone. :-/
I am reading new firmware rolled out this weekend for Gear Fit 2 - Can anyone confirm this issue is fixed?
Also, being able to track heart rate/correct calories for 'other work out'.
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I am reading new firmware rolled out this weekend for Gear Fit 2 - Can anyone confirm this issue is fixed?
Also, being able to track heart rate/correct calories for 'other work out'.
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What is current SW version on yours?
I've just bought it yesterday, version BPG3, and still looking for the best forum for gear fit 2...
Really don't understand why 1 got it, and 2 doesn't have it, here on XDA...
Mi MAX
djurkash said:
What is current SW version on yours?
I've just bought it yesterday, and still looking for the best forum for gear fit 2...
Really don't understand why 1 got it, and 2 doesn't have it, here on XDA...
Mi MAX
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I have no idea - I returned mine a few months ago. I loved the device (bought 2 actually) but it was so inaccuracy I had to return them to the store. If they fixed the 'fitness accuracy' issues I will buy them again in a heart beat. So much nicer than Fitbit.
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I have no idea - I returned mine a few months ago. I loved the device (bought 2 actually) but it was so inaccuracy I had to return them to the store. If they fixed the 'fitness accuracy' issues I will buy them again in a heart beat. So much nicer than Fitbit.
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I'd recommend Garmin prior to Fitbit, but if you have lots of data on fitbit ecosystem, and you can not export it to Garmin, than ok...I'll update you once I get this new SW version if the calorie counter is better now...
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Hi all,
Just putting this out to see if I could get other user opinions about the calorie counting of the Amazfit Pace.
In my experience it seems like the Pace only counts calories from activities.
If I look back at my activities from the past day, week, month in the app or on the watch itself I'm seeing extremely low calorie counts. For example, the average calorie burned figure from the last week is showing 459 kCal at the moment on the watch. The weekly total kCal burned for the 10th - 16th of December is showing 2970 kCal.
Can anyone confirm this, or let me know what watch / firmware they're if they are seeing normal calorie burn i.e. BMR + activity to give a total figure.
For what it's worth, my fitbit and garmin have both placed me at around 2000 - 2700 calories a day and as far as I can tell both of these devices have added BMR and activity calories together to form a total.
The pace doesn't count calories, it tries to calculate them.
Sure, the use of the word count probably wasn't spot on at the time of writing. But the sentiment remains.
Other devices I've used in the past for example, calculate / estimate / count, calories as a total of BMR + active calories. In my experience I'd see figures range from 1800 - 3000 calories burned per day depending on activity. Over the month I'd expect to see an estimate of about 60,000 - 80,000.
My Pace however, if I'm lucky shows 600 - 700 calories per day, typically lower, and over the last month has seen less than 10,000 calories burned.
I've attached screenshots from Amazfit, Fitbit, Garmin to show the kind of discrepancy I'm talking about. I'm just wondering if this calorie estimate I'm seeing is normal.
some problem in the mi fit app with amazfit bip. for reference, you also can type in data (steps, distances, time, elevation, ...) from activities into your runtastic account, and see it translated.
the mi fit app (if not crashing, as for 3.3.0, algo 1.1.09, as of 2018-03-27) seems far behind everything. e.g. i keeps calorie totals from steps separate from calories burned in each individual bicycle activity. no way of accumulating calories burned. while the sensor data seems accurate (steps, pace, gps) the app only shines with sleep and regular step data, the calculation and views on calories are rather catastrophic. pity
hello i have been using the amazfit bip for a couple weeks now the first week i it recorded 18.19 miles walked 8 hours 57 mins time spend walking but it says i only burned 1388 calories im a 324lb male most of the calorie trackers says i burned close to 4100 calories does anyone have a fix for this
Hello everyone
Has anyone done vo2 max testing with STRATOS with results?
When I do an exercise and I will consult the vo2 I always get the message in the app "the current device can not provide this data"
I also never had any results in the graphic "performance condition"
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Has anyone done vo2 max testing with STRATOS with results?
When I do an exercise and I will consult the vo2 I always get the message in the app "the current device can not provide this data"
I also never had any results in the graphic "performance condition"
Can anyone help? Obigado
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That is because you are using a PACE.
I tried to measure the vo2max with the stratos but I did not do it even though I had put it in a running program and I had to do it for continuous cardiac measurements and while I was running for 20 minutes it did not take me measurement . What did I do wrong?
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73. The maximum oxygen uptake (VO2max)
Maximum oxygen uptake refers to the human body in the maximum intensity of exercise can intake of oxygen content is an important indicator of human aerobic exercise capacity. As one of the important reference data of endurance athletes, high level maximum oxygen uptake is the basis of high level aerobic exercise ability.
The maximum oxygen uptake is relatively personal, with different reference standards for different genders and age groups. The watch evaluates your athletic ability based on your personal information, heart rate and speed during exercise, and changes as your athletic ability changes. Of course, everyone will have their own maximum oxygen uptake limit, which is determined by the individual.
74. How to get the maximum oxygen uptake?
1) Enter accurate personal information in AMAZFIT Watch App;
2) wear a watch for successful positioning and record at least 10 minutes of outdoor running track, and to produce heart rate and reach the maximum heart rate of 75%;
3) After running, you can view your current maximum oxygen uptake level in the watch’s motion recording function or the personal status page in the AMAZFIT Watch App;
Note: At present, only the outdoor run to assess the maximum oxygen uptake, and other sports are not.
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no VO2 max on Stratos
Hi! I have followed the instruction from the Stratos manual, took a running session for more than 20 mins with the HR above 75% of the maximum heart rate. I have used Polar H10 as external sensor, connected to the watch and I also had bluetooth headphones connected. GPS was on and recorded precisely the trajectory. Unfortunately VO2max still shows „no data”. Should I enable Huami Lab or any other feature in order to compute VO2? Thanks!
Hi
VO2/Max does work well on the Stratos and gives pretty much identical results to Garmin Fenix 5 Plus, as long as you use external HRM on both.
Firstly, you only get a VO/2 max score on running - no other activities provide a VO2/Max score, even cycling.
To get a VO2/Max score you must do multiple runs to be given your first score- you will know when VO2/Max is starting to get enough data for a score as you will start to get an alert during the first 10 minutes of a run for example: a green alert if improving ie +3 Good or a red alert -1 etc if worse then usual. When you start to see these alerts the device and learnt enought about you to get a VO2/Max score.
Make sure you are using an external HRM - the internal heart rate monitor is not fit for purpose so any VO2/Max score is less than worthless if using internal HRM.
So - to summaries, at first do at least 2 runs a week, at least 20 minutes a time, and try to keep in zone 3 or above and you will be finally given a VO2/Max score, you should see a score after about 6 runs I estimate.
Thank you very much for the useful reply, cumbrianrunner!
After the 4th running session something new happened, I was asked if I want to save the running session in my training day and now appears as a Fartlek running. Before this 4th session I have also activated the Huami Lab - most probably not related to VO2max calculation though. Anyway now the VO2 max is displayed. :fingers-crossed:
QUOTE=cumbrianrunner;79228357]Hi
VO2/Max does work well on the Stratos and gives pretty much identical results to Garmin Fenix 5 Plus, as long as you use external HRM on both.
Firstly, you only get a VO/2 max score on running - no other activities provide a VO2/Max score, even cycling.
To get a VO2/Max score you must do multiple runs to be given your first score- you will know when VO2/Max is starting to get enough data for a score as you will start to get an alert during the first 10 minutes of a run for example: a green alert if improving ie +3 Good or a red alert -1 etc if worse then usual. When you start to see these alerts the device and learnt enought about you to get a VO2/Max score.
Make sure you are using an external HRM - the internal heart rate monitor is not fit for purpose so any VO2/Max score is less than worthless if using internal HRM.
So - to summaries, at first do at least 2 runs a week, at least 20 minutes a time, and try to keep in zone 3 or above and you will be finally given a VO2/Max score, you should see a score after about 6 runs I estimate.[/QUOTE]
Hi All,
I just replaced my stratos 2 with a strstos3 (the old one died). The watch is what I expected but my surprise is that with the strstos2 the vo2 data was correct but with this one I always see the same value 27 and performance very poor. In addition, the heart rate was ok but when I check my activities and the breakdown for the heart zone, I don't have any time on V2 max or anaerobic. The weird thing is that I do see these values on the watch screen when I'm running or cycling and when I check the heart rate in the app, the values seem to be correct. Anyone facing the same issue and with a solution?
Thank you very much for your help
I use a bluetooth belt since all devices (no exception) do not deliver accurate optical sensor HR data - If you do the same you will have more accurate resutls - My Stratos is giving 54 Vo2 which is almost accurate (my best when I was an athlete was 69
Thanks for your response but I always get the same constant value which is incorrect... On top of it, I have updated the watch to the next version of the firmware and now after 2 min recording the activity it crashes.... A disaster.... Very unhappy about it