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Guys,
I bought a cradle from ebay (leeonline) because I cannot get a 4 in 1 adaptor from HTC. I tried using the vga-out (17 inch CRT Monitor), rca video out (our Television Set), Brandless USB hub, Generic/standard USB Keyboard and Generic/standard USB Mouse on it all at the same time. Everything works.
Now, I really no longer bring my laptop to work. My athena is all I need for Word Processing, Spreadsheets etc. There are quirks though. Sometimes, the mouse stops working or the athena hangs. (It may be the amount of programs installed.) Then again, It is still faster to boot than my laptop. The other downside is that even with the cradle plugged to the adaptor, It will still consume energy from the battery of the unit.
What I have done to my athena may not be new to most people but I would like to hear from other people what attachments or modifications they have done to make their athena more useful and powerful. In this way, we can all benefit from these ideas. Thanks!
Thanks!
yetdy said:
Guys,
I bought a cradle from ebay (leeonline) because I cannot get a 4 in 1 adaptor from HTC. I tried using the vga-out (17 inch CRT Monitor), rca video out (our Television Set), Brandless USB hub, Generic/standard USB Keyboard and Generic/standard USB Mouse on it all at the same time. Everything works.
Now, I really no longer bring my laptop to work. My athena is all I need for Word Processing, Spreadsheets etc. There are quirks though. Sometimes, the mouse stops working or the athena hangs. (It may be the amount of programs installed.) Then again, It is still faster to boot than my laptop. The other downside is that even with the cradle plugged to the adaptor, It will still consume energy from the battery of the unit.
What I have done to my athena may not be new to most people but I would like to hear from other people what attachments or modifications they have done to make their athena more useful and powerful. In this way, we can all benefit from these ideas. Thanks!
Thanks!
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I used to do that, but the novelty wore off eventually. Now i just bring in a mini notebook. It's easier than carrying loads of bits about and connecting things to monitors (though that option is still there if necessary).
Pretty cool though if you like your gadgets.
Leoni is correct, however he can always leave the other stuff connected to the cradle and use it sorta like a docking station, but you would need a second cradle for the home TV. I'm glad this thread started because I myself was considering getting one for my TV. However, what should I do about the audio coming from my device (will I still be able to connect audio to my AV receiver)? As far as the 4 in 1 cable I would be able to get to the audio jack on the Athena however the down side is that not all USB flash drives would be supported with the 4 in 1 cable. Yetdy can you tell me how you work around getting audio streamed?
I think there are a few ways to stream audio.
#1 S-Video if I'm not mistaken is supposed to stream audio to your TV.
#2 Audio Jack to RCA Audio converters connected directly to the TV or amplifier would also help assumming you are using the 4-in 1 adaptor. Cradle cannot help you out with this option.
#3 Of course there is bluetooth connection which is what I am going to use. Got a bluetooth transmitter and receiver from ebay but is currently busted (bad seller). Another is to get a BT that has a changeable earphone/buds. Change the earphone to an audio jack to RCA Audio jack and follow #2.
Hope this helps.
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yetdy said:
I think there are a few ways to stream audio.
#1 S-Video if I'm not mistaken is supposed to stream audio to your TV.
****You are mistaken, S-video is video only (the pins are luminance, chroma, ground and something else I can't remember off the top of my head) ****
#2 Audio Jack to RCA Audio converters connected directly to the TV or amplifier would also help assumming you are using the 4-in 1 adaptor. Cradle cannot help you out with this option.
****if it is anything like the one I got from ebay then no, as it covers up the headphones out port from the athena but does not replicate it on the back ! the athena also carries audio out from the same USB connector that you charge it from (this is why the socket on the athena is an unusual/different shape compared to your plug on USB charger) if they had replicated this port propely on the dock then you could have got audio out that way, but the dock connector for that is also wrong (standard USB shaped socket, not the odd one from the athena) ****
#3 Of course there is bluetooth connection which is what I am going to use. Got a bluetooth transmitter and receiver from ebay but is currently busted (bad seller). Another is to get a BT that has a changeable earphone/buds. Change the earphone to an audio jack to RCA Audio jack and follow #2.
****it is feasible to have the athena transmit stereo bluetooth to a nearby device !****
Hope this helps.
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just my 2 pence worth
If you want to play audio on your home theatre speaker, you could also consider the option of plugging an FM transmitterinto the headphone jack, then use your FM receiver to play through your theatre speaker.
That was how I used to play my music in the car, through the car's srereo speakers.
eaglesteve said:
If you want to play audio on your home theatre speaker, you could also consider the option of plugging an FM transmitterinto the headphone jack, then use your FM receiver to play through your theatre speaker.
That was how I used to play my music in the car, through the car's srereo speakers.
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wont work if the Athena is in the ebay dock/cradle, as it covers up the audio out port, but does not replicate it.
Ice coffee,
Maybe you can share some other options here. You may have other ideas that may be useful to us. I just got my athena last month and cradle last week so I cannot really say with authority what it can and what it cannot do. If you can help us out in maximizing the athena with its cradle, many will appreciate it.
None of the video outputs from the 4-in-1 carry audio, the only options are BT a2dp or the headphones jack. Seems a bit long-winded to me though - I'm sure there are less fiddly mods out there. I just used to use the magnetic keyboard as a stand, slipped a BT keyboard over the top of it and the 4-in-1 for usb hub etc. This left a free audio jack to use as I wished. Seems like the docking station is more of a hindrance than a help.
HTC Advantage
Docking station
Keyboard
Mouse
Hifi Bluetooth A2DP adaptor
USB Hub....
I think my EEE pc is a more convenient device on the whole than the above setup would've been if i'd carried all that with me I wouldn't have had any space to fit my work stuff!
I came accross another docking station for $119.00 USD that has the audio option on the side along with 2 standard USB ports instead of 1. I think it's a bit too pricey, due to the fact that on flebay they do have a2dp stereo bluetooth adapters for like $50 USD. Besides with that and your bluetooth headsets it might still be possible to answer a incoming phone call on your bt headset without having to hear the audio coming from your A/V receiver (considering you left the phone on). Leoni, both options have their own drawback (no powering source with the 4 in 1 cable for all USB storage devices and the inaccessable headphone jack when using the docking station). But anyway I'm going to order the 4 in 1 cable too and see which one works best for me on a day to day use.
as I said the only simple option is to use bluetooth and as tootalk2000 pointed out you can get adaptors on ebay for £25 ish, I suppose the other more complicated option would be to, take your cradle apart and replace the USB connector into the phone with this,
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2in1-Audio-US...oryZ3728QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
and then take the other end of this apart and make it fit in your cradle, it would actually be quite easy to do as there is a lot of space in the cradle.
ice_coffee said:
as I said the only simple option is to use bluetooth and as tootalk2000 pointed out you can get adaptors on ebay for £25 ish, I suppose the other more complicated option would be to, take your cradle apart and replace the USB connector into the phone with this,
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2in1-Audio-US...oryZ3728QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
and then take the other end of this apart and make it fit in your cradle, it would actually be quite easy to do as there is a lot of space in the cradle.
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Awwwww shux, someone just gave me some experimenting to go do. I'm ordering one of those jacks today, and hopefully it will come around the same time as cradle. I'll just super glue it to the back portion of the cradle and plug it in externally. Due to the fact that the USB port is still on there you would still be able to sync even when the ear phone jack is still in use.
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Awwwww shux, someone just gave me some experimenting to go do. I'm ordering one of those jacks today, and hopefully it will come around the same time as cradle. I'll just super glue it to the back portion of the cradle and plug it in externally. Due to the fact that the USB port is still on there you would still be able to sync even when the ear phone jack is still in use.
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lol my thoughts exactly.
Hi,
after a long year, I finally will get my HTC HD.
accessories are on the way, too:
Sennheiser CX 95
sandisk 16 gb sdhc
Black Silicone Cover Case + Film
Handsfree Remote Control for HTC Touch
I will post my review of these things later when I get it. It would be nice if someone can comment on my selection.
I am interested, did the handsfree remote work?
I guess it will arrive this week. At least from the ebay page, the seller said it's a remote control that does volume up/down, forward/backward, answer/hang up...
Hope it works
the stock headset will do play, fwd, bck, answer and hang up, just not volume, so a simple volume control should be no problem to incorporate, therefore should work.
Does the add specifically state it is for HD and is it mini USB or 3.5mm jack?
http://ewwt.net/Photo/11527.jpg
The seller says it works with HD and there is a 3.5mm connection for ear-plugs. This is a good combination with cx 95 style, since the wire is very short.
I should have done more research on the usb remote control
obviously, it doesn't work with HD.
what the heck is wrong with HD develop team? with bother to put a ext-usb with out audio output?
The Touch HD does have audio output on the extUSB port. Maybe on different pins though than your wired remote uses?
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The Touch HD does have audio output on the extUSB port. Maybe on different pins though than your wired remote uses?
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Not it doesn't. The extusb has pins for audio but they are simple not connected!
The ebay seller I mentioned before also made wrong description. Shall I spend 5 euro to send it back so that I can get $6 refund (not the $12 I paid coz shipping cost is non-refundable)? no, I just keep it and maybe send to someone who has a diamond and give the seller a negative feedback.
You are right, I wasn't properly informed. Since I read an other thread about video-out on the Touch HD, I thought that next to the video signal, also the audio signal was transfered via the extUSB. Now I understand that all audio goes throught the 3.5mm audio jack at the top.
Isn't there any way to solder those pins on the extUSB to the internal audio connectors? This way everyone could use usb headphones and usb wired remotes.
I was at work the other week and had a slight problem.. how the hell do i get music from a TG01 into a sound desk.. I tried to use the micro USB to 3.5mm adapter with a 3.5 to 3.5mm cable into the desk AUX input, we also tried using a 3.5 to RCA cable... the final thing we tried to make sure it wasnt a problem with the desk was to go straight into the DJ mixer using a 3.5mm cable. nothing worked. but Iphones, Ipod, other MP3 players all work using this method...
any ideas folks?
Have you tested the supplied USB to 3.5mm with a normal earbud? do you get sound out of it?
The USB to 3.5mm cable is just a simple Analog Left/Right/Ground port and so it should work with any Stereo plug regardless of the destination
I suspect that the USB to 3.5mm you used is busted
you can also use a bluetooth adapter with 3,5mm plug, the one i use was 32,- euros and works perfect
Wandy_1974 said:
Have you tested the supplied USB to 3.5mm with a normal earbud? do you get sound out of it?
The USB to 3.5mm cable is just a simple Analog Left/Right/Ground port and so it should work with any Stereo plug regardless of the destination
I suspect that the USB to 3.5mm you used is busted
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Not at all.
The TG01 does require a certain resistance to be presented to the device and it is this which it interprets as to how to respond.
If the two data lines D- and D+ are shorted, it will go into Charge mode. If it sees a resistance of around 20 Ohms or more it will switch the audio output to the micro USB port. Typical earphones will have an impedance of around 30 Ohms, while the input to many battery powered external speakers is 4 or perhaps 8 Ohms (ever lower on amplifiers). This is why your TG01 worked fine into the earphones but not your external feed.
This texts it's not mine (just the blue one). It was written for the great kevinpwhite, on MODACO some time ago. And it's true (I've made the resistor modification in a set of stereo amplified speakers than failed as Tomsutton said and now they work perfectly.)
You can read the full explanation here: (I'm xdalover on Modaco )
http://www.modaco.com/content/toshiba-tg01-tg01-modaco-com/298887/headphone-amplified-sound-output/
(from post #7)
Have a nice day
Pere said:
Not at all.
The TG01 does require a certain resistance to be presented to the device and it is this which it interprets as to how to respond.
If the two data lines D- and D+ are shorted, it will go into Charge mode. If it sees a resistance of around 20 Ohms or more it will switch the audio output to the micro USB port. Typical earphones will have an impedance of around 30 Ohms, while the input to many battery powered external speakers is 4 or perhaps 8 Ohms (ever lower on amplifiers). This is why your TG01 worked fine into the earphones but not your external feed.
This texts it's not mine (just the blue one). It was written for the great kevinpwhite, on MODACO some time ago. And it's true (I've made the resistor modification in a set of stereo amplified speakers than failed as Tomsutton said and now they work perfectly.)
You can read the full explanation here: (I'm xdalover on Modaco )
http://www.modaco.com/content/toshiba-tg01-tg01-modaco-com/298887/headphone-amplified-sound-output/
(from post #7)
Have a nice day
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Cheers pete, Il dig out the specs of the desk and see what the resistance is, I dont remember it going into charging mode though..
Why would an Ipod work but the TG01 wont?
tomsutton529 said:
Cheers pete, Il dig out the specs of the desk and see what the resistance is, I dont remember it going into charging mode though..
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If standard headphones works and aux IN don't work, no doubt. This is the origin of your problem
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Why would an Ipod work but the TG01 wont?
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Easy, an Ipod has a dedicated analogic output. Instead TG01 has a shared USB port with different uses...
Noticed this on mine when I wanted to play music from the phone on my stereo. VERY annoying, and a bit daft of them to do this, even though it's a shared port.
There should be a software option to enable the usb port for purely sound to allow it to pass it across. I see the hardware resistive work as a workaround not the solution (although well done on getting it working!!)
no way. toshiba support:
"There are no settings available on the phone in order to set up the electrical resistance."
tomsutton529 said:
I was at work the other week and had a slight problem.. how the hell do i get music from a TG01 into a sound desk.. I tried to use the micro USB to 3.5mm adapter with a 3.5 to 3.5mm cable into the desk AUX input, we also tried using a 3.5 to RCA cable... the final thing we tried to make sure it wasnt a problem with the desk was to go straight into the DJ mixer using a 3.5mm cable. nothing worked. but Iphones, Ipod, other MP3 players all work using this method...
any ideas folks?
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With thanks to Pere for the kind words above re. my earlier explanations on this subject on MoDaCo....
....in addition, please note that all of these charactaristics are an intentional part of the micro USB AB 'On The Go' port design and will become increasingly the norm as more devices adopt uUSB.
There is at least one chip being manufactured, but as yet not available to individual purchasers, which will support an external plug in device capable of providing intelligent charging combined with concurrent audio out. Sort of configuration applicable to eg. a car hands free scenario. I imagine that such add-ons will start to become available in due course - this is one of the drawbacks of choosing what is still a leading edge device well over a year after it first appeared !
For the mixing desk input, I'd suggest using an isolating transformer (eg. these here) as the ideal means of coupling - this will provide the necessary impedance (typically >10kOhms) to make the TG01 respond with an audio output while also ensuring electrical separation and maintaining as high quality audio signal as possible.
Hey all,
I'm looking to buy an tab S3 but I want to use it in a very specific use case where I need to use a USB-C to audio adapter (yes, I know it has a 3.5mm jack plug).
We have the tablet at work but because it's for a client I can't just tinker around with it.
I tried the USB-C adapter that came with the Google pixel 2 XL but that didn't work. The Tab S3 didn't play the sound over the speakers and paused when I plugged out the adapter as if it recognized it but I could hear anything. Does anyone have experience of a adapter that does work?
Also, does it work with the cheap passive adapters without a DAC? (USB-C audio can be analogue if the device supports it, other only do digital and require a DAC)
Hello!
I recently picked up a pixel 6, very happy with it so far except for the fact that my car is too old for the bluetooth to carry music to the radio.
I was wondering if anybody has managed to find a type c to 3.5mm cable that works? I have tried a type c to 3.5mm adaptor and it doesn't work, I think I need a straight type c to 3.5mm cable instead of an adaptor?
Before anybody asks, I have an fm transmiter but not really enjoying the experience between static or the bluetooth getting confused with the car itself.
I don't see why a USB-C to 3.5mm adapter shouldn't work. Try finding one on amazon that specifically advertises use in cars. It could be possible that the one you have is incompatible, manufacturers tend to make adapters that only work in specific circumstances.
You need an active adapter with integrated DAC (digital to analogue converter). Passive ones will not work. You better get the google cable if available. Apple one works but is too quiet in android. In fact any active cable should work.
Thank you both.
I have seen this one on Amazon, this is what I need I guess?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/KOOPAO-Adapter-Headphone-Stereo-Compatible-Grey/dp/B07Z3TRJKS/ref=sr_1_4?crid=VG53YFREW7S7&keywords=Type+C+to+3.5mm+Stereo+Audio+Cable&qid=1641755818&sprefix=type+c+to+3.5mm+stereo+audio+cable%2Caps%2C84&sr=8-4
I use this one:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08Y7YXHSB/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
An alternative if you have 12v power in your car is using a USB Bluetooth to 3.5mm device like this one.
Hagibis Bluetooth Receiver Bluetooth 5.0 Adapter Hands-Free Bluetooth Car Kits AUX Audio 3.5mm Jack Stereo Music Wireless Receiver for Car Speaker Home Built-in Microphone (U3-Grey) : Amazon.com.au: Electronics
Hagibis Bluetooth Receiver Bluetooth 5.0 Adapter Hands-Free Bluetooth Car Kits AUX Audio 3.5mm Jack Stereo Music Wireless Receiver for Car Speaker Home Built-in Microphone (U3-Grey) : Amazon.com.au: Electronics
www.amazon.com.au
That way you can still be wireless and have Bluetooth in an older car, without having to deal with those hit or miss radio adaptors
I have this issue since using the Galaxy S21, the way I fixed it, start playing music on the phone speaker, then connect the cable, and it will start working, it happens all the time, that why I bought a cheap Bluetooth receiver from Walmart, best $8 I've spent in years.
cervantesjc said:
I have this issue since using the Galaxy S21, the way I fixed it, start playing music on the phone speaker, then connect the cable, and it will start working, it happens all the time, that why I bought a cheap Bluetooth receiver from Walmart, best $8 I've spent in years.
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I thought to do the same but the phone shows that the connected device is not supported
neptun2 said:
You need an active adapter with integrated DAC (digital to analogue converter). Passive ones will not work. You better get the google cable if available. Apple one works but is too quiet in android. In fact any active cable should work.
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Just to clear up what that actually means for OP: a passive adapter will work only on USB-C ports that are able to route an *analog* signal. These are fairly uncommon -- most USB-C ports are digital only.
The nice thing about digital output is that you get to control the sound quality by selecting a USB-DAC of a quality that meets your needs, instead of being limited to whatever cheap thing they built in to the phone.
Physically, you can't even tell the difference any more. While USB-DAC's used to always involve a "big ugly box", the circuitry has shrunk these days to small enough to fit into the ends of the dongle.
The headphone adapter sold by Google is an example of this, its a USB-DAC, but shows no sign of containing any significant components besides the connectors.
I tried one that came with an old Motorola phone and it did not work, but Google sells one. They should be able to confirm if it works before you order it
https://store.google.com/product/usb_c_headphone_adapter?hl=en-US
I've personally tried 3 different ones that have worked for me, the first one was from an old Motorola phone, the second one, was one that I bought at an airport, I believe the brand is Moshi, and the third one was coming from a one plus phone. They all worked by playing on phone speaker and then plugging it.
cervantesjc said:
I've personally tried 3 different ones that have worked for me, the first one was from an old Motorola phone, the second one, was one that I bought at an airport, I believe the brand is Moshi, and the third one was coming from a one plus phone. They all worked by playing on phone speaker and then plugging it.
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Which Moto phone? My Moto Z(2) Force one gives an error message that the audio device is not supported.
chaimav said:
Which Moto phone? My Moto Z(2) Force one gives an error message that the audio device is not supported.
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It is the moto Z2 Force, I've used it a couple times, and I had no issues.
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It is the moto Z2 Force, I've used it a couple times, and I had no issues.
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It works on your Pixel 6? Maybe mine is defective??
This discussion is very interesting. Generally pixel 6 (and previous pixels also) do not send analogue audio signal to the usb type c port hence passive converters from type c to 3.5 mm do not work. You need active converter with integrated DAC (digital to analogue converter) in it so that the digital audio from the usb type c port is transformed to analogue signal and sent to the headphones or whatever else. Every phone though has integrated DAC in the chipset because otherwise it would not be able to drive its own speakers with analogue signal. When i tried to connect my passive DAC adapter from oneplus 7 phone i got error on the pixel 6 that cable is not compatible. It is possible if you play something through the speakers analogue signal to also be copied towards the usb type c port and this way to trick passive adapters to also work but this need to be tested. I think that i still have the passive adapter somewhere and will test these days if i find it.
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This discussion is very interesting. Generally pixel 6 (and previous pixels also) do not send analogue audio signal to the usb type c port hence passive converters from type c to 3.5 mm do not work. You need active converter with integrated DAC (digital to analogue converter) in it so that the digital audio from the usb type c port is transformed to analogue signal and sent to the headphones or whatever else. Every phone though has integrated DAC in the chipset because otherwise it would not be able to drive its own speakers with analogue signal. When i tried to connect my passive DAC adapter from oneplus 7 phone i got error on the pixel 6 that cable is not compatible. It is possible if you play something through the speakers analogue signal to also be copied towards the usb type c port and this way to trick passive adapters to also work but this need to be tested. I think that i still have the passive adapter somewhere and will test these days if i find it.
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I tried an adapter from a Oneplus 6 (if memory serves) and I had the same problem, hence the thread
Given the one from Google looks just the same I am apprehensive to buy it until I am 100% certain
Today DAC circuits are so small that it is easy to integrate these into the usb type c part of the cable. There is no way to tell if cable is active or passive only by looking at it anymore. Google cable should work fine. Alternatively you can try the trick with first playing through the speakers and then connecting the old oneplus 6 cable and see if that will make it work. ne side note - don't buy the apple usb to 3.5 mm cable. It has very low volume on android (works properly on ios and windows). Tested it myself.
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This discussion is very interesting. Generally pixel 6 (and previous pixels also) do not send analogue audio signal to the usb type c port hence passive converters from type c to 3.5 mm do not work. You need active converter with integrated DAC (digital to analogue converter) in it so that the digital audio from the usb type c port is transformed to analogue signal and sent to the headphones or whatever else. Every phone though has integrated DAC in the chipset because otherwise it would not be able to drive its own speakers with analogue signal. When i tried to connect my passive DAC adapter from oneplus 7 phone i got error on the pixel 6 that cable is not compatible. It is possible if you play something through the speakers analogue signal to also be copied towards the usb type c port and this way to trick passive adapters to also work but this need to be tested. I think that i still have the passive adapter somewhere and will test these days if i find it.
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It would need to be physically wired together like that, which it is definitely not.
It would probably also need a second DAC built in, because there are only so many speakers you can drive with the built-in. That's why some phones are advertised as "dual DAC".
Got Pixel 6 usb-c to 3.5 mm one direct from Google...works great.
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Got Pixel 6 usb-c to 3.5 mm one direct from Google...works great.
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Is this for a car aux port or for earphones you use it for?