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Hi,
I have a Galaxy S9 Plus arriving tomorrow that I had intended to use with Filmic Pro and a Zhiyun Smooth 4 stabilizer (anyone got one?).
Somewhat belatedly, I've just discovered (here) that inbuilt restrictions prevent Filmic Pro from using the second rear camera.
Has anyone any experience of using the Filmic Pro's zoom function without the S9 Plus's optical zoom?
Thanks,
John Latter
Sadly it's true..
Samsung S9 and S9+ FiLMiC Pro v6 Compatibility Guide
The Samsung S9 and S9+ are capable of absolutely stunning footage when used with FiLMiC Pro v6 for Android, and we have worked hard to bring the best possible shooting experience to both handsets. However there are two issues that can impact on the available features you have access to and overall performance on the S9/S9+.
Samsung’s implementation of the camera framework
Firstly, Samsung’s implementation of the Android camera framework denies third party developers access to some feature that are available in the native Samsung camera app. This includes high-speed framerates such as 60fps, 120fps and 240fps.
On Exynos equipped devices we have found a workaround that allows us to deliver high speed framerates even though not officially supported (up to 240fps at 1080p, and up to 60fps at 4k), however this is not applicable to snapdragon equipped devices (see below for more information).
The current Samsung camera framework implementation also prevents third party developers from supporting the dual lenses found on the S9+. At present only the wide lens is supported.
Finally, in order to deliver stable 4k performance we need to use Samsung's 'limited' mode that prevents access to the cinematographer kit LOG/FLAT profiles as well as custom white balance controls.
The Snapdragon CPU
And secondly, in addition to Samsung’s restrictive implementation of the camera framework, they chose to produce the S9 and S9+ with two different CPUs: an Exynos version - and a Snapdragon version.
You can find out which CPU your devices uses with the app AIDA64.
Unfortunately not all chips are created equal and the Snapdragon version has the following limitations for video:
No support for 60fps at any resolution
Whilst we can bypass the Samsung 60fps limitation on Exynos devices, this is impossible on Snapdragon devices.
No support for 120fps.
Whilst we can bypass the Samsung 120fps limitation on Exynos devices, this is impossible on Snapdragon devices.
Automatic White Balance UI doesn’t update.
The camera driver doesn’t provide information about the current white balance being applied, so we cannot reflect this status on the UI on snapdragon equipped devices.
HDR video unsupported
On Exynos versions of the S9/S9+ we can support access to high dynamic range video recordings, however this is not currently supported on Snapdragon equipped handsets.
hardecore said:
Samsung S9 and S9+ FiLMiC Pro v6 Compatibility Guide
HDR video unsupported
On Exynos versions of the S9/S9+ we can support access to high dynamic range video recordings
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Do you plan to implement and release HDR recording for the Exynos version anytime soon?
hardecore said:
Sadly it's true... (followed by the Samsung S9 and S9+ FiLMiC Pro v6 Compatibility Guide)
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According to this thread on the US Samsung Community forums, the 2 x optical zoom is not available to S9 Plus owners in Pro Mode.
In "Auto Mode" the second rear camera may or may not be selected by the software, depending - apparently - on "how much light is available".
In other words, there are probably lots of S9 Plus owners walking around thinking they've just taken a zoomed photo whereas in reality it's likely to be only a digital crop.
Amazing!
John Latter said:
Hi,
I have a Galaxy S9 Plus arriving tomorrow that I had intended to use with Filmic Pro and a Zhiyun Smooth 4 stabilizer (anyone got one?).
Somewhat belatedly, I've just discovered (here) that inbuilt restrictions prevent Filmic Pro from using the second rear camera.
Has anyone any experience of using the Filmic Pro's zoom function without the S9 Plus's optical zoom?
Thanks,
John Latter
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I don't have any experience with Filmic Pro.
But the default Samsung camera app also doesn't use the secondary camera for video. So it's not different.....
I had a few back and forth converstions with Samsung and Filic Pro support teams.
The following is the correspondence with Filic pro ragarding the matter:
Blue is me and black is Filmic pro support
"I'm sure you guys get annoyed about hearing about samsung users questions, but unfortunately I do not see any clear and open communication about it.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S9+
I would like to know if you guys are working on support for 4k 60fps, 1080p 120fps, and use of the telephoto lens. If so, do you have an estimated time frame that each of these will be supported?
How can I, or other samsung users, help to make the dream of full feature utilization a reality?
thank you"
"Thank you for writing in. Unfortunately, the lack of support for frame rates above 30fps on your device is due to errors in Samsung's camera framework implementation on S9 series devices containing the Snapdragon chipset. To learn more about these limitations, please refer to this resource --> Samsung S9 and S9+ FiLMiC Pro v6 Compatibility Guide
Furthermore, Samsung currently restrict 3rd party developers from accessing the tele lens on their devices. They told us at their developers conference last year that they plan to address this problem, but they are running late.
If Samsung correct these issues in the future, we will be quick to support for the features you mention. The best we can do is continue to raise the issue with Samsung until they recognize their users' demand for these repairs."
"I contacted you guys a few days ago regarding the S9+ and it's features and I received a very informative response that helped me a lot; so thanks for that!
I then decided to contact Samsung about the same issues and they seem to not be on the same page as you guys. After 2 support inquiries here is what I received from Samsung:
"We understand you would like Samsung to enable the [email protected], 1080p @ 60/120/240fps and utilization of telephoto lens to Filmic Pro app.
In the previous email, our agent had informed the camera specifications which the Galaxy S9+ supports. Indeed the Galaxy S9+ hardware supports [email protected] and 1080p @ 60/120/240fps using the in built Samsung camera app.
As the hardware supports the required format for videos, it is upon us the app developers to utilize the Camera hardware and develop the app code which can support this feature.
Samsung cannot change the software for the Camera if third party apps cannot utilize the camera hardware of Galaxy S9+. In this situation, we request to contact the app developer again and confirm if there are new updates available for the app which can support the camera hardware of Galaxy S9+."
With this in mind, it seems that they (or at least their support staff) believe that there are no restrictions on what 3rd party developers can do with the Samsung hardware. Because they are such a large company I would understand that their support staff is not privy to the detailed information of this one specific issue, but I'm curious if the entire company is not actually aware of the issue.
I realize this is a vague question, but I'm wondering if there is anything that can be done to push Samsung to allow Filmic pro to access all of the features that it's hardware provides. I have done extensive research of message boards and forums, but to no avail.
Can you point me in the right direction? Can we start some sort of petition? What can we do to get Samsungs attention?"
"Thanks very much for the followup. While it's true that Exynos devices are capable of the high fps/resolution combinations he mentions, S9 devices containing the Snapdragon chipset cannot achieve this with stability. It's a bit unclear to me, but it almost looks like he claims that 3rd party developers might now have access to both front facing lenses (!!). I at least I think that's what he means by "we request to contact the app developer again and confirm if there are new updates available for the app which can support the camera hardware of Galaxy S9+."
Anyway, I'm going to pass this along to the development team now to determine if maybe we did miss something in a system update that might grant us access to more features (at least for Snapdragon variants of S9 series devices, if we're lucky). We do understand that Samsung place restrictions on 3rd party developers in this manner, but we were told by Samsung at their developers conference last year that they plan to lift some of these restrictions. Maybe they changed their mind and pressing them with more requests for this improvement is not such a bad idea."
Conclusion:
Although I did not completely determine both company's standing on the issue, at least some light was shed on the matter. It also seems that Filmic pro will now press the issues further with Samsung to open up full feature capability at a future date.
If anyone knows of a way that we can group together in an effort to get Samsung's attention, please post about it here.
Just use an iphone. Had issues with my gimbal, drones, YOU name IT on android. No Issues on the iPhone.
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tharealmb said:
I don't have any experience with Filmic Pro.
But the default Samsung camera app also doesn't use the secondary camera for video. So it's not different.....
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Hello
On Oreo Samsung Camera app used Telephoto lens for video as well when there is enough light before you start recording it will switch to Telephoto. adjusting the zoom from 2.0 anywhere else while you are recording switches to Wide lens. (You can see shift in perspective and hear the click).
I could easily test this by pointing the camera directly to a light bulb before starting a recording on AUTO with 2x zoom.. (this doesn't work on current latest build of Pie and stock Camera app for video.
On Oreo you can verify that Telephoto lens is used by sticking some object or your finger in front of the wide lens while recording. ]
What makes me pissed off the most on Pie is that there is no support for Pro Mode Video - you cannot set manual ISO and/or Shutter and this was the main reasons why I purchased Filmic Pro.
To my surprise on Pie / Exynos The Filmic Pro app is able to switch apertures as well. I haven't see this on any other 3rd party camera app.
Regards,
Martin
I googled everywhere, but can't seems to to find anything on it. Is it possible at all or not due to SoC?
I would highly doubt it, mainly because the pixel has 1 back camera and the mate has 3
Could still happen, other phones have more than one camera and have had it ported over, OnePlus 6, LG g6 etc etc but the only Thing that might be an issue it them. Phones have had snapdragon processors as opposed to Huawei Kirin.
Gitaroo said:
I googled everywhere, but can't seems to to find anything on it. Is it possible at all or not due to SoC?
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Porting Google Camera is much easier from Snapdragon SoC to Snapdragon SoC, yet there are still issues on OnePlus phones cause of the different sensors. I'm afraid it would take someone in the knowledge and motivated to properly port GCam for Kirin, and then you have the problem of the multiple lenses, something GCam doesn't support natively. First and foremost Huawei should just significantly cut back denoising and some of the sharpening, or just offer the option. Otherwise stock camera app is well rounded (minus GCam's awesome photosphere).
Night Signt is what I am more interested in from the new Google cam.
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Porting Google Camera is much easier from Snapdragon SoC to Snapdragon SoC, yet there are still issues on OnePlus phones cause of the different sensors. I'm afraid it would take someone in the knowledge and motivated to properly port GCam for Kirin, and then you have the problem of the multiple lenses, something GCam doesn't support natively. First and foremost Huawei should just significantly cut back denoising and some of the sharpening, or just offer the option. Otherwise stock camera app is well rounded (minus GCam's awesome photosphere).
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You are absolutely right. Some tweaks from Huawei and the stock camera App is brilliant. There is no need fpr GCam on Huawei especially since Huawei started with those dedicated night modes.
The problem does not seem to be the SOC as Mate 10 pro has a perfectly usable GCam port but the P20 pro doesn't. The problem is with the IMX 600 on the P20 Pro and Mate 20 Pro as it enables pixel binding technology to capture HDR photos within the sensor itself rather than stacking different shots together. The pixel binding technology relays on the sensor to capture four pictures at once while other HDR technology only captures one photo at each shot. Oneplus uses the same technology on its secondary sensors so If there if any ports are working with the Oneplus's secondary sensor, then it might as well working on the Huawei devices. But If that's not the case, then it's not likely for us to get hands on any workable GCam shortly.
What a shame. imo the Mate 20 pro cam modules are really capable, but the software tends to screw up my images. I mean as mentioned, the sharpening, and the noise reduction is way over the top, and makes the images oilpaintings rather than actual pictures.
Even Google's Photo Scan App is not compatible with Mate 20 Pro
sajokj said:
Even Google's Photo Scan App is not compatible with Mate 20 Pro
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but you know, you can download this apk and its working perfectly
Also waiting for this :angel:
I tried many ports but nothing worked. Agree with Don.Chen's insight, I also found M20P compatible with some P20P's ports, but not the M10 ports. Miss GC's Portrait mode. Basically hardly any support for Kirin processors. Saw people mentioned Huawei's Camera API 2 is blocked, thus GC will not work for HDR+.
I hope some devs will turn and give it a try to mods gcam to work with our device
This version works well with mate 20 pro
sam1374 said:
This version works well with mate 20 pro
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You are right, it works ? however it crashes when opening the settings, but it's still something.
Here's the link if anyone wants to try:
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/googl...amera-5-1-018-177624777-android-apk-download/
charliebigpot said:
You are right, it works ? however it crashes when opening the settings, but it's still something.
Here's the link if anyone wants to try:
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/googl...amera-5-1-018-177624777-android-apk-download/
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Is this from pixel 3?
At least it works . And it's real 40 MP photos with zoom.
I tried one of the gcam version but it didnt work correct, so I deleted it. But i have a feeling that after that my camera doesent work so good anymore, it doesent take so good pictures anymore. Do you think that something like that is possible, or it is just my feeling? I dont have any good pictures to compare between, so it is hard to prove.
No change in terms of quality here. I guess you could do a soft reset? Has anyone found a port for wide angle support? Thanks
sam1374 said:
This version works well with mate 20 pro
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Are you using a mate 20 pro? The reason I ask is because I see VOLTE.
Is there a working exynos gcam for the selfie camera?
Its the only one im interested for. I don't care about the night mode etc. Only want better results with the front camera.
I can't believe after all this time all we got for exynos are the three different apps which don't work for everyone from the other thread. I thought these devices were actively developed on.
I've been looking as well. Several times a week I took group selfies for events I organize, I haven't done this since I upgraded from S7 to S10e Exynos.
Half the devs have the snapdragon version and the other half are waiting for a price drop
As far as i know, there is no working HDR+ selfie gcam for exynos without rooting the device due to samsung limiting the selfie camera with no raw front in camera2api, so the only way is through rooting your device and place some modified libs in system to get it work.
However, there is also no working libs for galaxy s10 until now, but this is the way how Galaxy S9 & Note 9 got it to work.
Really need Gcam for S10 selfie
Really need this. Please develop asap.
Hi everyone, I'm sorry if I'm posting under the "Android General" section, but I think that my thread deserves a "general" discussion.
I've been following GCam's portings since the beginning and I've also used them on several devices like: Nokia 8, Nokia 8.1, Nokia 6.1 and LG G6 thanks to their Hardware Level Support set to Level3 (maximum). The question, now, is the following: in your opinion, which will be the best smartphone to run the upcoming ports from Google Pixel 4 new camera? I mean, it is no secret that the latest device from Google will include a triple-lens setup, so it's pretty obvious to think of a phone that has, at least, a wide and a tele-photo lens.
Thanks for moving my thread to the right section.
I'm scared I haven't explained pretty well what I was asking. I'll try that again.
Assuming that Google Pixel 4 will be having a triple-lens set up (tele, normal and wide), which will be the smartphone that will produce images as close as possibile to the Pixel after installing a Google Camera Port? It's pretty obvious that we have to look at a smartphone with a triple-lens set up too and with Camera 2 API enabled by default. On top of that it would also be ideal to have a Snapdragon 845/855/855+ at least and photographic sensor made by Sony (which very likely Google Pixel 4 is supposed to have).
Trying to do an analogy with Google Pixel 2, we can easily assume that one of the best smartphone to install a Camera Port was the Nokia 7 Plus, not only for having AndroidOne, Camera 2 API enabled but also for the same Sony IMX362 Exmor RS (sensor).
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Very interested also. I have a Pocophone, and runs gcam 6 quite well, but not perfect. From seeing it barely running on a Redmi Note 7, I assume it seem a top of the line processor and lots of RAM.
Which phone would be the best nowdays? K20?
Up, that would be nice to have a list of the top 10 Gcam smartphones 2020.
Hello guys, I am noticing that OIS is not working in any gcam port whatsoever, neither in photo capturing nor video, even though I enabled "video stabilization" and digged into developer settings, searched for "OIS", And every option stating "OIS" is enabled.I am using BSG gcam right now, the latest version (8.7.250_A11_v15).
My phone is OnePlus Nord 2 (DENIZ) processor is mediatek dimensity 1200 AI I am noticing the effect of OIS in the stock camera app in the preview, both in photos and videos. Any help? As gcam is far better in terms of photo quality.
Thanks
Probably is not supported since it's a MediaTek SoC. Try to ask to who build the xml
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Probably is not supported since it's a MediaTek SoC. Try to ask to who build the xml
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I don't use any config, as there is no available for my phone (OnePlus Nord 2)
I hope it's supported soon, as many companies at the time are housing mediatek Soc in their phones, whether in high end or mid end segement
abodalaa0abodalaa said:
I don't use any config, as there is no available for my phone (OnePlus Nord 2)
I hope it's supported soon, as many companies at the time are housing mediatek Soc in their phones, whether in high end or mid end segement
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I know. I was in the same situation with other device. If people don't buy and support it, we're limited even in the modding
abodalaa0abodalaa said:
Hello guys, I am noticing that OIS is not working in any gcam port whatsoever, neither in photo capturing nor video, even though I enabled "video stabilization" and digged into developer settings, searched for "OIS", And every option stating "OIS" is enabled.I am using BSG gcam right now, the latest version (8.7.250_A11_v15).
My phone is OnePlus Nord 2 (DENIZ) processor is mediatek dimensity 1200 AI I am noticing the effect of OIS in the stock camera app in the preview, both in photos and videos. Any help? As gcam is far better in terms of photo quality.
Thanks
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download bsg 8.7 and xml for that, i have OIS with that, and 4k60 with main camera:
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rhrhwytjyejeyjstjetjtw said:
download bsg 8.7 and xml for that, i have OIS with that, and 4k60 with main camera:
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Which XML ? there's none for the nord 2