GCAM Problem Green Selfie Essue !!! - Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Questions & Answers

i am currently on pe pie with gcam 6.1 when i try to click selfie selfie turns into green colour
any fix for that?

I have the same problem. I have installed 2 diferent apps. GCam 5.1 and GCam 6.1. All works fine with 5.1 and I use it by default, but only if I want night mode I use 6.1.

piyush181071 said:
i am currently on pe pie with gcam 6.1 when i try to click selfie selfie turns into green colour
any fix for that?
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Hi! Can you go into further detail about which camera sensor your phone has? Is it the Samsung sensor (Mostly available in the international variant) or Sony IMX sensor (Available in all Asian variants)?

Sony
ADInfinity1999 said:
Hi! Can you go into further detail about which camera sensor your phone has? Is it the Samsung sensor (Mostly available in the international variant) or Sony IMX sensor (Available in all Asian variants)?
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hi bro i have sony sensor

piyush181071 said:
hi bro i have sony sensor
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Okay. It seems that I was able to replicate this issue though it was my rear camera which did it when I was using WhatsApp camera to take pics. Even I have the Sony IMX sensor and I currently run LineageOS Extended 15.1 where Camera2API is enabled by default. Seemingly WhatsApp camera doesn't inherit its properties thus giving such weird results. Try installing Xiaomi Mi A2 Camera from the Magisk Repo which works well.
[EDIT : I really don't know why GCam 6.1 does not comply with Camera2API when it actually should]

ok thanks
ADInfinity1999 said:
Okay. It seems that I was able to replicate this issue though it was my rear camera which did it when I was using WhatsApp camera to take pics. Even I have the Sony IMX sensor and I currently run LineageOS Extended 15.1 where Camera2API is enabled by default. Seemingly WhatsApp camera doesn't inherit its properties thus giving such weird results. Try installing Xiaomi Mi A2 Camera from the Magisk Repo which works well.
[EDIT : I really don't know why GCam 6.1 does not comply with Camera2API when it actually should]
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ok i will try
thanks bro

piyush181071 said:
ok i will try
thanks bro
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You're welcome bro! Hit the thanks button if it helped you!

See my work
ADInfinity1999 said:
You're welcome bro! Hit the thanks button if it helped you!
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/re...e-recovery-t3900268/post78907979#post78907979

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Dark Camera Video Mode AOSP/Lineage Based

Hello everyone..
I have install many AOSP/Lineage based rom ( ViperOS, AOSP Extended, ChyperOS, Lineage 14, AOSPA, Pure Nexus, etc )
And, in every rom i installed have dark camera, when I swap to video mode at low light condition..
Can this bug fixed?
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My device sensor ofilm_s5k3l8
Thanks before
Help me @sachin n
dev.azra said:
Help me @sachin n
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Did you try installing different camera apps? Like Google camera or footej?
sachin n said:
Did you try installing different camera apps? Like Google camera or footej?
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All same
HaiderHady said:
All same
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I think camera isn't working for one who got omnivision camera. :0
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sachin n said:
I think camera isn't working for one who got omnivision camera. :0
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Its working...
Totally fine..
The video is too much dark..
I mean really dim than photo camera
I think its a video iso problem
HaiderHady said:
Its working...
Totally fine..
The video is too much dark..
I mean really dim than photo camera
I think its a video iso problem
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Ah, did you try clean flashing other Roms? Top of it, Mido's custom Roms have camera bugs, like video recording isn't working blah blah. :/
Sent from my mido using XDA Labs
sachin n said:
Ah, did you try clean flashing other Roms? Top of it, Mido's custom Roms have camera bugs, like video recording isn't working blah blah. :/
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Come on....
I'm not a noob......Camera is definitely dark with 30 fps recording but with some apps it records bright but at about 17-19 fps
HaiderHady said:
Come on....
I'm not a noob......Camera is definitely dark with 30 fps recording but with some apps it records bright but at about 17-19 fps
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Ah, sorry for the late response, went off for few hours.
I wish I could help you on this, but I never clicked either pics or recording video on my Mido. All I heard was there are bugs with camera on mido custom ROMs.
While recording video its just stuck few seconds/mins later. And one who got omnivision camera, isn't working. Apart from that I've no idea about camera.
Did you try enabling camera2 API? It has anything to do with that? I guess.
I already use many other camera apps, Google Cam, OnePlus cam, Footej, Snapdragon Cam
But, all same.
I will try to enabling camera2 API
Thanks @sachin n
Btw my sensor Samsung not Omnivision
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Using Google Camera
And Stock AEX Camera
With Samsung sensor i have the same problem with Mediatek or Snapdragon variants
Same here, in low light camera is very dark. AOSP video camera in better light condition is better and smoother than miui btw
well I read on russian forum, they use lumio app to get better video...
aabenroi said:
well I read on russian forum, they use lumio app to get better video...
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We're looking for something more stock, that works with all camera apps, maybe a mod for the ROM/kernel
Use moto camera it fixes it
I also have this bug, also with the Samsung sensor ofilm_s5k3l8. Sensor does not get set to the proper ISO or brightness or such, it is really bad. As asusm930 wrote, ported Moto G cam fixes this and is a nice camera otherwise as well. And it is the only cam I found so far that fixes it. You can get it here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-4/themes/camera-t3667358
I have samsung sensor but only with OnePlus camera, I haven't this issue. So I use gcam for photos, and Opcamera for video
NightHeron said:
I have samsung sensor but only with OnePlus camera, I haven't this issue. So I use gcam for photos, and Opcamera for video
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Do you use the version from here (v 2.0) or some other? https://forum.xda-developers.com/re...-plus-5-camera-port-redmi-note-4-7-0-t3656125
Looks quite good, and seems to give better color reproduction in low light video. Though the photo part is buggy. Flash light is not synchronized with shutter, so it basically does not work and HDR is crossed out for me. Bugger, I would prefer to have one app for both photos and video.
i have same issue

[Port]Flyme Camera In Android 7.xx Based Roms

Hello Meizu M2 Mini Users
I am Going To Start My First Dev DB Project About Camera
For Now i have successfully Ported Flyme Camera App from Flyme 5 OS
Working Features
Able To Shoot Photos & Videos From Front Camera & Back Camera
HDR & Flash Working
Auto Focus & Manual Focus Both Works (Macro Shots not included)
Panorama Working
Not Working Features
In Manual Mode
Not able to change exposure Compensation after changing its values
Not able to change Shutter Speed after changing its values
Not able to change ISO after changing its values
Effects Like Oxizadation and other Forcestops the camera
In Short i need help from big developers and senior members who can help me to fix them Thanks
Note:I have successfully fixed a bug which was annoying from long time
Front camera in third party app was black not showing anything has been finally fixed Get Patch from Download Section
Download Flyme Ported Camera App From Download Section
XDA:DevDB Information
Mod Flyme camera port for meizu m2 mini, Device Specific App for the Meizu M2 / M2 Mini
Contributors
murtaza1326
Version Information
Status: Testing
Created 2017-07-21
Last Updated 2017-07-21
First of all thanks for starting this, I was waiting for this.
BTW
I have tested many Noughat ROM's and I didn't face any problem in the front camera of any third party apps ever.
aakhilesh9 said:
First of all thanks for starting this, I was waiting for this.
BTW
I have tested many Noughat ROM's and I didn't face any problem in the front camera of any third party apps ever.
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use filter apps it will not work filter apps like candy camera b612 etc also stock camera is fully working too
murtaza1326 said:
use filter apps it will not work filter apps like candy camera b612 etc also stock camera is fully working too
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I don't know why it doesn't work for you. But I have used BestME selfie and Beautyplus and Youcam perfect and all of them work with filters too. I just installed Flyme today. otherwise, I could have attached screenshots too.
Front camera not working in rom RR....
fathony2611 said:
Front camera not working in rom RR....
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which RR
front camera not working in RR android 7.1.2 rom
fathony2611 said:
Front camera not working in rom RR....
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@murthaza I think Camera problem is different for many different phones.
some people have it some don't.
muksal16 said:
front camera not working in RR android 7.1.2 rom
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it works if it dosent try my patch it may fix that problem too :good:
murtaza1326 said:
it works if it dosent try my patch it may fix that problem too :good:
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I already use the patch but still can not
muksal16 said:
I already use the patch but still can not
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Me too...
well i will look at it may be source bug :v wait for next month build for now use CrDroid for me no bugs now
Hi, thanks for the share.
On my Meizu M2 Note with Lineage OS 14.1, after few seconds on black screen the app crashes. Do you have any solution? Is this only for M2 Mini?
Thanks in advance
David.C_21 said:
Hi, thanks for the share.
On my Meizu M2 Note with Lineage OS 14.1, after few seconds on black screen the app crashes. Do you have any solution? Is this only for M2 Mini?
Thanks in advance
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this app is for m2 only :3
murtaza1326 said:
this app is for m2 only :3
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Thank you!

Portrait GCAM FOR REDMI NOTE 3 KENZO

Hello guys.....what's up
Happy new year:fingers-crossed:
Today I am sharing Portrait Gcam for redmi note 3...
Note: its not my work
It work perfectly on nought and Oreo too.......
Just give a try you must love it:good:
...............................................Download.............................................
Oreo:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bCzmOejYOfCBlT1GZWKpIWVTPgA7eXf5/view
Nougat:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X5A3-HFNCPlwN38LKQmGtG9J6iNONtx4/view
.................:good::laugh::laugh::laugh::good::good:.........................
Credit
Genos
Manya1999
if you find it useful then please like this Thread :good: ..Thank You
FC on rr 5.8.5 (nougat)
dude30003 said:
FC on rr 5.8.5 (nougat)
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Use Nougat version.....
I am also on RR ....ITS WORKS perfectly ...........plz uninstall other Gcam mod......then install it again...
Working great on back camera . Does not work on front cam . Tested on Viper OS nougat
sunnyGUN said:
Hello guys.....what's up
Happy new year:fingers-crossed:
Today I am sharing Portrait Gcam for redmi note 3...
Note: its not my work
It work perfectly on nought and Oreo too.......
Just give a try you must love it:good:
...............................................Download.............................................
Oreo:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bCzmOejYOfCBlT1GZWKpIWVTPgA7eXf5/view
Nougat:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X5A3-HFNCPlwN38LKQmGtG9J6iNONtx4/view
.................:good::laugh::laugh::laugh::good::good:.........................
Credit
Genos
Manya1999
if you find it useful then please like this Thread :good: ..Thank You
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mirroring..............
source:https://www.xda-developers.com/pixel-2-portrait-mode-port-non-google-android-oreo/
File:https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=889964283620775729
detailed info:https://chromloop.com/2017/12/apk-enable-portrait-mode-nexus-5x6p-og-pixel-phone-google-camera-mod/
let people know if
enjoy portrait mode same as one plus 5
Crashes on Latest RR with Radon
KissKK said:
Crashes on Latest RR with Radon
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back camera portrait working fine....... portrait front camera not working......
Working fine on nos RR viper with shadow kernel tested by me
Working great on front and back of nos oreo 8.1.0 with shadow kernel 4.7 tested by me.. :good:
aqsha0211 said:
Working great on front and back of nos oreo 8.1.0 with shadow kernel 4.7 tested by me.. :good:
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Front portrait is working for you
sharan565 said:
Front portrait is working for you
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No, it can't capture..
aqsha0211 said:
Yups, it's working fine..
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I'm with cosmic os+shadow kernel tried camera nx Oreo app rear camera portrait working fine but front not working.
sharan565 said:
I'm with cosmic os+shadow kernel tried camera nx Oreo app rear camera portrait working fine but front not working.
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No, it can't capture at potrait mode..
awesome app . thanks to the dev. hope that the minor issues will be resolved in near future.
sharan565 said:
Front portrait is working for you
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Plz wait...... Dev are working for that......I already got new version of this there front cam portrait mode working fine but pic colour green......hope it will fixed soon........then I will share:good:
Thank u
sunnyGUN said:
Plz wait...... Dev are working for that......I already got new version of this there front cam portrait mode working fine but pic colour green......hope it will fixed soon........then I will share:good:
Thank u
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Yeah I did tried that version but after enabling portrait mode after that normal camera not taking photos it's complete black screen maybe I'm the only one facing this issue same issue on BSG NEW version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uomtJxwBMUJj0k1Bj9hROR_e6U-89PLl/view?usp=drive_web
They say it has green tint but I haven't faced that yet. Note that the rear camera does not work its just black but portrait mode in front camera is working. I'm on cardinal 5.3. Hit thanks if I helped
Edit: you can install it along with Google Camera that's has portrait mode in rear cam
Works well. But wish i could increase blur level.
on Lineage 14.1 land doesn't working, crashes, and freezes. I can't take a picture....
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muzsielod said:
on Lineage 14.1 land doesn't working, crashes, and freezes. I can't take a picture....
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also, this is an HDR mode not a portrait mode with background blur...
i doesn't work for me. im running nos 8.1 with agni kernel. is it because i installed another version of gcam? (the one that supports hdr+)

Google camera with working portrait mode for le 2

Hello guys here is the GCMod 5 camera with working portrait mode for le 2. I test this camera app on latest rr rom
https://mega.nz/#!BVdxHI5R!Q5tIgn3XFSMCSZH1iAjAX0N8rq7dd2NeUdbAr0W1PNw
Camera settings
Need to restart device all the time
The only thing that worked for me is portrait mode, due to limitation to 11 mp only pic arent that sharp, but it crashes most of the time, I am on Dot Os.
Does it crash on Latest RR rom
In the latest rr this camera doesn't crash every time .but it crash 1 of 10 times .when crash force stop and restart the camera.potrait mode also works in front cam
hmmm.... I tried literally every single gcam mod I can think of, and either it crashes or front portrait is blurry as heck and with green tint! What version is this? Also have you tried this with the oreo rom?
xterminater07 said:
hmmm.... I tried literally every single gcam mod I can think of, and either it crashes or front portrait is blurry as heck and with green tint! What version is this? Also have you tried this with the oreo rom?
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In this gcam front cam work good and in the oreo rom this cam takes awesome pics.i dont know the version of this camera.first switch to normal front cam then open portrait mode . Sometimes camera crash but after restart the device it works perfectly
Deepjashan said:
In this gcam front cam work good and in the oreo rom this cam takes awesome pics.i dont know the version of this camera.first switch to normal front cam then open portrait mode . Sometimes camera crash but after restart the device it works perfectly
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How often do u say it crashes? Also do it take pictures hdr+ on as well as hdr+ enhanced? I tried skullshady 1.7 and it only works on hdr+ enhanced using nexus 6 auto. Will try this version on my le s3.
xterminater07 said:
How often do u say it crashes? Also do it take pictures hdr+ on as well as hdr+ enhanced? I tried skullshady 1.7 and it only works on hdr+ enhanced using nexus 6 auto. Will try this version on my le s3.
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Oreo..??
Nehal Rishi said:
Oreo..??
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Yea on the aosp dui oreo as well as official rr ... All crashes
Can someone try this beta https://drive.google.com/file/d/18kb7CH0qwcJSK_Bl6kO46ize9gNGfhLg/view on the DUI 8.1 ROM or official latest RR and report back please?
I am using miui pro 9 os with android marshmallow what should I do to make these camera working in my device??
How do I make arrangements stickers work on this device
I'm using Android Oreo
Is anyone have any luck processing these
Tej1534 said:
I am using miui pro 9 os with android marshmallow what should I do to make these camera working in my device??
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I not tested this cam on miui.You should try and inform me
Deepjashan said:
I not tested this cam on miui.You should try and inform me
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+1
flashier said:
+1
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Are u try this cam on miui?
Deepjashan said:
Are u try this cam on miui?
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Not this but other mods mainly bsg, arnova . Here's results
Version 3.xx only work and version 4.x and 5.x does not install.
Even so 3.x does not have portrait mode but it has lens blur
You can find this mods in
https://forum.xda-developers.com/re...dated-6-11-17-google-camera-hdr-t3701190/amp/
flashier said:
Not this but other mods mainly bsg, arnova . Here's results
Version 3.xx only work and version 4.x and 5.x does not install.
Even so 3.x does not have portrait mode but it has lens blur
You can find this mods in
https://forum.xda-developers.com/re...dated-6-11-17-google-camera-hdr-t3701190/amp/
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Thanks bro
No gcam found for miui. As many of them share but after downloading it's there was a problem in parsing the package.
~~saurabh~~ said:
No gcam found for miui. As many of them share but after downloading it's there was a problem in parsing the package.
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https://androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=250625
Try one of these cameras

[RR-O-6] HDR+ in only working on selfie cam(by now). Only Oreo 8.1. Check pictures!!

Thanks to @2CanSan. He reported this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/essential-phone/themes/magisk-based-gcam-port-ar-sticker-t3730837 in the AospExtended ROM V5.2_V4.6 by @NFound.
I have been doing test with the GCAM magisk modules. There are 7 versions 15A to 15G. I started with G version but the configuration is fixed and I can meke the cam work. The F version is very configurable. I have done a lot of test and I have achieved the frontal cam HDR+ and Potrait work.
It would be great someone with AEX(Oreo) test this module and report the results.
Steps:
0. ROM Resurection remix Oreo(8.1). It can be found in the AospExtended ROM V5.2_V4.6 thread
1. Install Link v15F
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=962187416754461390
3.Open the Gcam(installed with the point 1 module) and follow this steps:
Note: back camera is working but hdr+ is not working, is like a normal camera apk.
3 in Settings/B-S-G Mod setting
- Select Model Pixel II.
- In Manual fixed black level offset select 63.
4. Exit from setting. Close the app and Remove the gcam from the tasks.
5. Open the camera (become black because the back camera is not working) and change to front camera.
6. In Settings/Advanced options enable HDR+ control.
7. Disable Movement, Disable flash and enable HDR+ improved. Test your results against the rom camera. Attached mines.
8. Test front potrait mode. Works almost fine..there are some arifacts.
Note. if you change the app setting and the app crashes and don't let you change the settings, remove app data and start the configuration from the beginning.
Tha app allows log so maybe our great co-phone developers can make the back camera work. It would be great!!!
Video of steps https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iYKZiAHyvqngkWgZY_eLAiXNEu818Krk/view?usp=drivesdk
In mode of magisk the S.O Crash and Reset in AEX
only Install in Recovery, You are warned ...!!!
It works even if those color bands did not come out in the photos, it would be excellent: D this I had seen before, there is a dedicated thread of the essensial Phone and version 7 is the only one that works with Axon 7, I had tested it in the OrderKriegger ROM but I confirm and confirm that it works with AEX.
The normal selfie camera works as well, but I feel that the portrait mode has more quality in the image ... the bug made it to lose. If you like selfies this is your app ... if the front camera as in my case you have it more ... better looking to improve the rear camera! : D
I have posted this in the magisk gcam module:
Hello all. Firts of all thanks for your sharing.
I have an Axon 7 with Resurrection Remix 6 (Android 8.1 based on LOS). I have flased the 15F version and selected Pixel II in "Model" and Auto in ·Config camer HDR+".
I have Front camera hdr+ working on front camera....Incredible improvement of quality in special at night!!
But back camera is not working (only work when I remove gcam data and "Model" is not selected).
I hava compared the logcat on front and back camera opening and the error in the back camera is this:
E Camera3-Device: Camera 0: sendRequestsBatch: RequestThread: Unable to submit capture request 2 to HAL device: Function not implemented (-38)
I know our device camera has not Google camera API 2 implemented, but why front is working and not back? Any advice?
Thanks!!
HDR+ is working but portrait has alot of blue and red artifacts on front camera back camera dosent work unless changing the model i hope something gets a workaround soon
The F version works on RR oreo, but i lost fingerprint unlock... Weird
Predatorhaze said:
The F version works on RR oreo, but i lost fingerprint unlock... Weird
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what does it work in F version?
gecko702 said:
what does it work in F version?
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Yes and fingerprint still works,just set up again
Predatorhaze said:
Yes and fingerprint still works,just set up again
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but your functions work as the G version? does your back camera work?
gecko702 said:
but your functions work as the G version? does your back camera work?
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Yes it works
Predatorhaze said:
Yes it works
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hmmm ok ill try the F version :victory:
Predatorhaze said:
Yes it works
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Even with hdr+ ? Whats the settings do u use??
Isaev54 said:
Even with hdr+ ? Whats the settings do u use??
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Yes
Predatorhaze said:
Yes
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You sure the back camera shoots HDR+ enhanced? Nobody here was able to do that, and we all tried F on AEX or RR.
Choose an username... said:
You sure the back camera shoots HDR+ enhanced? Nobody here was able to do that, and we all tried F on AEX or RR.
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Hdr+ is enabled and I can take pictures,how do I know they are actually hdr enhanced?
Btw Im using this mod on Xenonhd Oreo (inbuilt kernel)
First time I flashed it, it didnt worked.i disabled inbuilt rom camera, and flashed the mod again
Predatorhaze said:
Hdr+ is enabled and I can take pictures,how do I know they are actually hdr enhanced?
Btw Im using this mod on Xenonhd Oreo (inbuilt kernel)
First time I flashed it, it didnt worked.i disabled inbuilt rom camera, and flashed the mod again
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After you have shoot photi check gallery
There should be hdr+ optimizing process
And there is no model selected in settings ( on yours screens)
Isaev54 said:
After you have shoot photi check gallery
There should be hdr+ optimizing process
And there is no model selected in settings ( on yours screens)
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I have set model,I can take pictures and videos on front and back.But when I go to gallery,I see nothing named hdr+
This is the F version on Xenonhd Oreo rom,magisk16
Predatorhaze said:
I have set model,I can take pictures and videos on front and back.But when I go to gallery,I see nothing named hdr+
This is the F version on Xenonhd Oreo rom,magisk16
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You don't have HDR+ enhanced. Of course. I could also take pictures with the back camera, but HDR+ enhanced actually takes a bunch of pictures (an 8 shot burst i think) and puts a loading circle for half a second in the middle of the screen while it does. after that, when you open the gallery it should blend them all together. If you actually see a huge difference then it works.
Use the front one and choose HDR+ enhanced, you'll see what it does if you have it configured correctly
the portrait mode has been released as open source now
gecko702 said:
the portrait mode has been released as open source now
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nope, the software to make the model was. And it wouldn't have been useful for us anyways, because what we need is HDR+ enhanced on the back camera, we already have portrait mode semi-working
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nope, the software to make the model was. And it wouldn't have been useful for us anyways, because what we need is HDR+ enhanced on the back camera, we already have portrait mode semi-working
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on the front is but the back crashes though and yeah thats the thing its useless for us at the moment sigh* but slowly were getting work arounds

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