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I use my V30 as Hotspot the whole day and this sucks battery quite quick. Is it problematic if I keep the power cord (usb-power-plug) connected all day long? Does the phone still use the battery in that case or does it just draw its power from the power cord and only recharge the battery if it drops volatge by self discharge...
https://www.sciencealert.com/how-to-charge-phone-battery-to-last-longer-advice-science
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I'm not sure I believe that site... I have been a fan of Battery University, but in my experience they got this wrong. My Droid Turbo battery lasted for 4 years before I switched to the V30. I always charged it and left it charging overnight. My laptop that I'm typing this on now, has the original battery from 8 years ago, and it's still working. This laptop stays plugged in almost all the time. Certainly, it doesn't have the life that it would if it was new, but it's been 8 YEARS.
In my case, I keep my devices pretty long, and it doesn't cause a problem. So, I won't bother to unplug at night... it's not worth the hassle. Most people would upgrade their hardware well before these times, so they would notice the problem even less than I do.
The bigger issue I see is when it the phone overheats. My work phone (in my crappy work car) sits on a mount on the vent, which (because of the crappy car) doesn't close completely. So, this winter, it got very hot relatively often. That has hurt the battery life on that phone (a Turbo2)... which now has much less life than my Turbo does. But, it's a company phone, so they're going to replace it... not my problem
The other issue I see is charge cycles. My wife's laptop was often charged, then run on battery, then charged, etc. The battery on that laptop was only about 3 years old when it stopped performing (wouldn't even run the laptop for more than 10 minutes). IMO, charge cycles are, therefore, more important as than overnight charging.
Just my $0.02... feel free to disagree if you want.
Exactly! Charge cycles!
I only charge my V30 every 2nd or 3rd night for that reason, and I still get 7-10 hours SOT after 1.5 years, depending on how much music I play in addition to the SOT.
That said, it's also best to avoid draining the battery too low. The chemistry suffers the most when it's very low or very high.
Keep in mind, with charge cycles, they say it's proportional as well. So, if you charge 25% for 3 days in a row, it's the same as charging 75% every third day. I prefer to keep the phone charged as much as possible, in general.
Also, I neglected to mention, my overnight charger is a slow one (not a QC one). That way, it's slow charging overnight anyway. This speaks to the heat cycling of the battery - QC does heat it up more than a slow charger would. That's also why I don't wireless-charge, as it adds to the heat, too (at least it did on my older phones)...
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Battery not lasting as long as it used to?–SOLUTION
I’ve had my phone for a few months and I’ve always got at least 48hours of use and as much as 200hours while on vacation before needing to recharge. The last few weeks I’ve been getting less than half that. I’ve read that using a non standard charger that has a higher output overheats the battery causing degradation, and had feared that now I’d have to replace the battery which was quite disappointing since I’ve only had the phone a short while.
I’ve had many previous phones that have had their batteries last years without noticeable loss of capacity.
So I decided to run down the battery and do a “refresh” and kill the battery completely till the phone wouldn’t turn on. Then I charged it using the same non-standard charger which is an old blackberry one since I’ve misplaced my OEM one. I left the phone off and charged it up which took less than two hours before the green LED came one and read fully charged. I then turned on the phone and found that in fact it was only 66% charged, so I proceeded to charge it fully.
Well it worked! Previously I was losing as much as 20% overnight. After a few days its back working like new and only losing 2% on average whiling idling over night.
I’m not sure why the mini is so susceptible to battery memory, especially since one of the highlights of lithium batteries is their ability to be charged at anytime without memory effect.
I don’t think this is just memory issue, but possibly a software and hardware calibration issue. Where the phone feels the battery is fully charged while the battery hasn't reached full capacity.
A good way to discharge the battery is a 12V car bulb. Worked like a charm for me.
Thanks for sharing the tips.
I should try it on my mini pro.
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I notice that there's a warning message when the phone is fully charged, advising you to disconnect the charger. I usually leave my phone charging every night, meaning that it's still connected to the charger for hours after it's fully charged. I'm pretty sure that the S2 has "smart" charging, but would the overnight charging damage the battery by exposing it to unnecessary heat for this extended period?
No it shouldn't. Like you said the phone has the ability to shut off the charge when the battery reaches 100%.
I've been charging mine all night for most nights out of the past 3-4 months and it's fine.
That warning is essentially Samsung's attempt to give you a green consciousness, since leaving the charger connected to the wall draws a trickle of current. Sammy figures that millions of people following those instructions to the letter will help save the planet.
It will reduce your batteries life, leaving it on the charger. Will it does stop charging it then drains to 99% then tops it up, which over time uses up the recharge cycles and will reduce the time until it can't hold a charge.
Lithium ion battery doesn't have recharge cycle.
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Lithium ion battery doesn't have recharge cycle.
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Exactly. This was true until Litium Ion batteries came the norm in handsets.
Nowadays its just to be seen as being 'green'
That is strange since this site devoted to teaching about batteries makes it seem like they do. But also reading it says that being at a constant full charge is more damaging then cycling the battery.
That is in the second paragraph under the "Depth of discharge" chart on this site
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
With the frequency cellphone batteries are charge/discharged, they crap out after two years anyway, and unlike some other fruity product it takes us 10 seconds to plop in a new one, so don't worry about it.
Even if it damaged your battery the effect wouldn't come noticeable before a long time I think. And in case the battery does get damaged, you can always replace it, that's one of the nice things about this phone, if you compare it for example to an iphone.
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...And in case the battery does get damaged, you can always replace it, that's one of the nice things about this phone, if you compare it for example to an iphone.
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exactly why i didn't buy an iphone
The only things really damaging your battery are:
- excessive heat
- heavy use while charging
- turning on the phone over and over after it turned itself off on it's own due to low battery
there are more, for sure, but just to name a few.
I always charge my phones over night and my HD2's battery is as good as ever after 2 years. My SGS2's battery is still the same, and I still thing that when the battery is full there are no discharge/recharge cycles but something like a suspend mode in the charger.
I've had my new HTC Amaze 4G for 4 days now and absolutely love it, what a great phone! The battery life is great (I'm careful with all my settings) and I'm only finding issues with the charging TIME.
It's the second time I've charged it and after noticing how excessively long it took the first time, I clocked it this time and it took 4 hours and 45 minutes. I used a charger that I've used on many other devices with no issues (5 volts 1 amp).
The battery level increases 1% every 3 minutes, which adds up to 5 hours. I calculated this both with the screen on and by averaging out over a longer period of time with the screen off. I also tried with the phone completely off and the results were the same.
I made sure there were no processes hogging up processor time or excessive RAM usage.
When I go into to "Settings -> About Phone -> Battery" Battery status clearly states: Charging (AC).
I have also read somewhere that this can possibly be set this way by design (possibly to prevent the battery from heating or overcharging and saving its life in the long run).
I also realize that the phone is new, and the battery needs a few charges to be settled, but 5 hours to charge on the second charge just seems like too much.
On the HTC product support website, on the faq there is the following question/answer:
How long should it take to charge my battery?
"Your battery can take up to 4 hours to fully charge using the AC charger. It will take much longer using the USB as that is the trickle charge function."
Can anyone out there with an HTC Amaze 4G confirm how long their phone takes to fully charge from the AC charger?
I'm thinking/hoping this is a defective device/battery/setting...I don't like having to wait 5 hours to have my phone fully charged.
Thanks in advance,
Filipe
Ok, I'd like to add one more thing. I finished charging the phone last night (about midnight), by the time I went to bed (around 2 am), after barely having used it, it was still at 100%, now at 9:30 am (7.5 hours later) the battery level is at 95%. I had everything off and very little background services and apps running. Even the network type, is only set to the basic, no data connection was live/standby.When I check the battery status/histogram this is what I get:
-44% went to Cell Standby
-42% to Phone Idle
-8% Display
-6% Wifi (I think I used it before I went to bed, but turned it off right then, and it remained at 100% battery)
I'm not too happy...this can't be right...it shouldn't take 5 hours to charge and discharge this fast? Can anyone shed some light please?
Thanks
Come on....anyone? Please? This is driving me nuts!!
Yeah that sounds about right. Don't complain man. Your battery life is pretty good compared to other devices. My device takes 3 hours to fully charge and can last 24 hours with minor use. Just charge it when you go to bed and you won't notice the time it takes
My desire hd takes almost as much (Around 3 hours) and my Optimus 3d prolly takes even more (5?) to fully charge from a full discharge...
(With Stock HTC/LG Charger. The HTC's AC Adapter is 5V/1A [Shouldn't that charge a battery in under 1 1/2 hrs?]. Not too sure about the LG)
They take Much longer to charge on Computer/Laptop USB Ports. The Optimus 3d actually loses battery while charging (With screen on) with a USB port.
Also, 5% a night is pretty good. My desire hd goes down 3-5% per night (2g, no data enabled.) or 0-1% with Airplane Mode. (Rooted, Revolution 6.31)
And my optimus 3d pretty much runs out of battery in <100 mins with full brightness while Playing Games - It goes down more than 1% per minute depending on the game being played, especially if 3d Converter is used. This is pretty much the same for all GB/Froyo ROMs.
Just charge it when you go to bed and you won't notice the time it takes
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I Agree. Both phones usually last around a day at least for me. You could always try a battery monitor such as GB Battery Stats or watchdog (The CPU One). CPU Intensive applications and Awake time during sleep are usually what cause bad battery life. Faster chargers such as 2A ones should also charge the battery faster, but they might reduce the overall battery life.
I would suggest buying a wall charger and cheap batteries from ebay. They last almost as long as stock batteries and cost only ~$2-4 each. [They apparently explode though. Never happened to me.]
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Both phones seem to charge from 0-90% much faster than 91-100% as well. I'm not sure why, since 100-90 wastes just as fast as 90-0. (Charging from 90%-100% battery practically takes a third of the full charging time)
many thanks
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Thanks for your feedback guys!
I just finished charging it this morning, and it's FASTER NOW!
Took exactly 2 hours and 37 minutes (Battery Moniter is a great app!).
I think it actually may be due to the phone having some sort of smart charging system which "looks after" the battery. Since the phone is new, it might be wanting to start it off with some slowww charges and gradually speed them up.
But I still have to narrow it down some more since this time I'm actually using the supplied cable and charger (the ones I tried before were also 5V/1A).
The cable I was using (had it for a while now) had a pinch or two, it didn't look that bad, but I'm thinking it could also be the cable (could be shorting)!
I'm gonna do some testing on this cable now and report back my findings!
Thanks again!
RESOLVED!!!
Ok, so it actually turned out to be the cable. I really feel like a dumb ass...lol. Oh well, at least I figured it out!
So yeah, one good way to see if your cable / charger is good is to use Battery Monitor, and on the main screen where it says your device is charging (AC) and etc..it will also say the actual amperage (in mA) being fed to the battery...that number should be within the 500 to 750 range, if its lower, there is likely something wrong. (Mine was at 16...lol).
Thank you all for your help!!
Cheers!
can you explain to me more !!! i just had the phone and the battary run out like 5 hrs after ,,, what s about your cable-charger problem i didn t get your point !!! can you help me plz
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can you explain to me more !!! i just had the phone and the battary run out like 5 hrs after ,,, what s about your cable-charger problem i didn t get your point !!! can you help me plz
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My problem was the cable, and it was causing the phone to take five hours to CHARGE, not discharge.
These phones don't hold charge for too long, and the more activity you got going on, the more power it will consume. The screen hogs up the most power, so using the device constantly (especially with high intensity background light) will drain the battery very quick. First smart move would be to set the screen intensity to the lowest setting. Wi-fi and bluetooth, if you're not using them, shut them off. Open your task manager (or get a decent one from the market) and kill all the apps you got running in the background.
Games also require a lot of graphics/processing power, so naturally they will drain a lot of battery too.
Edit: There are some special cases where it could also be related to your network or even simply coverage zones exposed to the device. If it's stuck in a zone where it has weak 4g and 3g signals, it will keep bouncing back and forth causing more drain than normal on the battery as well.
If you've taken all these things into account, then you may have a defective device, then you will want to setup an RMA...or just take it back wherever you bought it and ask to exchange.
Hope this helps,
Cheers
My skyrocket takes about 3.5 hours to charge from 10% to full charge. If I plugged it in the car charger and run google map with the radio on the background, it would slowly drain the battery even though it was plugged in. My iphone 4 did not do this. It charges very fast and does not drain the battery even when I had several apps running in the background. I think the skyrocket consumes more power whether it is plugged in or not.
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My skyrocket takes about 3.5 hours to charge from 10% to full charge. If I plugged it in the car charger and run google map with the radio on the background, it would slowly drain the battery even though it was plugged in. My iphone 4 did not do this. It charges very fast and does not drain the battery even when I had several apps running in the background. I think the skyrocket consumes more power whether it is plugged in or not.
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Hi, what you need is a charger with a higher amperage rating than 500mA (or 0.5A). Buy a charger that is rated for 5V/1Amp like this one and your problems should go away.
The phone is basically "burning" more energy than it is receiving from the USB charger, hence the discharge.
To know the amperage rating of your charger look on the label for numbers that look like "5V/500mA"...
Hope this helps,
Cheers
EDIT: The link I provided does include an iPhone cable, but I'm just referring to the charger itself, the cable would obviously have to be a micro-usb.
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thread moved to...mexico?
Most illegal threads are trying to move from Mexico.
But, you need a charging source more powerful then the base 500ma, (or whatever that term of measurement is) computers are only supposed to supply 500ma to a USB port so AC adapters are typically better for charging. But feel free to follow the post above and check the rating on the charger.
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i just got my amaze, and i have auto sync off and screen on dim and it still takes for everrrrrrr to charge.. ive used a few different chargers and cords but i just got the phone so maybe after a few charges it will speed up? not sure my mytouch 4g never took this long although it would get verrrry hot
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i just got my amaze, and i have auto sync off and screen on dim and it still takes for everrrrrrr to charge.. ive used a few different chargers and cords but i just got the phone so maybe after a few charges it will speed up? not sure my mytouch 4g never took this long although it would get verrrry hot
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Well the amaze does have a hefty battery, mine is charging a bit faster than when I first had it
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rich2thad said:
i just got my amaze, and i have auto sync off and screen on dim and it still takes for everrrrrrr to charge.. ive used a few different chargers and cords but i just got the phone so maybe after a few charges it will speed up? not sure my mytouch 4g never took this long although it would get verrrry hot
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Make sure to use the original charger and cable that was supplied to you by T-Mobile/HTC
I noticed the 12-pin cable is faster than the 5-pin.
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Ok, I'd like to add one more thing. I finished charging the phone last night (about midnight), by the time I went to bed (around 2 am), after barely having used it, it was still at 100%, now at 9:30 am (7.5 hours later) the battery level is at 95%. I had everything off and very little background services and apps running. Even the network type, is only set to the basic, no data connection was live/standby.When I check the battery status/histogram this is what I get:
-44% went to Cell Standby
-42% to Phone Idle
-8% Display
-6% Wifi (I think I used it before I went to bed, but turned it off right then, and it remained at 100% battery)
I'm not too happy...this can't be right...it shouldn't take 5 hours to charge and discharge this fast? Can anyone shed some light please?
Thanks
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Sounds about right. If you want better battery life either root it or buy another battery.
To get really good battery life ?...you got the wrong phone man.
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It was around 36% when I was able to access the battery meter following initial startup.
Only took 3 hours till full charge over USB to Wall outlet.
Is this because the USB to Wall outlet is faster charge, and that the 8 hours suggested in the manual is for USB to PC charge?
I don't have my prime yet however, you need to let it charge for 8 hours, even if its fully charged. This will condition your battery. Your manual also states to let it charge 8 hours.
Personally, I think the whole "charge for 8 hours" thing is bunk. No idea why ASUS recommends it, and I can't remember any other manufacturer ever recommending such a long initial charge. I think ASUS just does it to be sure people charge it completely before using.
I mean, seriously, if ASUS was that worried about it they wouldn't design the Prime to turn on when first plugged in. And, I imagine that once the battery hits 100% (signified by the green charging light), there should be a cutoff. So I'm not really sure what charging for 8 hours (or, yes, about 5 hours after it hits 100%) accomplishes.
another reason I love this tab so much. it can go from 0%-100% in 3 hrs. my Ipad takes more than double that time to get full charge. maybe not that long...lol but you know what I'm saying. this also may hold the title of fastest charging tablet.
thanks guys im going to finally go mobile then. Its even showing 100% too.
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Personally, I think the whole "charge for 8 hours" thing is bunk. No idea why ASUS recommends it, and I can't remember any other manufacturer ever recommending such a long initial charge. I think ASUS just does it to be sure people charge it completely before using.
I mean, seriously, if ASUS was that worried about it they wouldn't design the Prime to turn on when first plugged in. And, I imagine that once the battery hits 100% (signified by the green charging light), there should be a cutoff. So I'm not really sure what charging for 8 hours (or, yes, about 5 hours after it hits 100%) accomplishes.
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Every manufacturer recommends 8 hours AFAIK in their manual or support etc. This is to condition your battery and improve its lifespan. I've had a phone which I didn't charge for 8 hours on first charge, battery life completely screwed up within half a year.
Once it hits 100% you're good to go. After that it will stop charging for a bit then charge after a certain percentage drop. There will be no benefit to charging it after it hits 100%. With Li-Ion technology the whole battery conditioning thing is overblown anyways, these aren't old style NiCd or NiMH that need full draining and full charging everytime and storing with certain charge levels.
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What is the best way to save the battery life, and made a charge lasting longer?
How long should we wait before recharging the Prime? I always wait until it reaches 20-25% before recharging.
I do this about every 2 days, and when I do not use it it's standby if short pause or shut down at night.
I saw a thread somewhere in the forum but could not find it.
I do not use +IPS and brightness is about 20-25...
Not gaming, just surfing and testing Skype with WiFi (BT is not good with WiFi) so it's off
Any help we good suggestions?
Thanks
Bimbobo
My charging habits are:
To keep the battery healthy, keep it cool, I almost never use the tablet while charging off the wall and always turn it off. I've checked the charger brick temp with an IR temp gun and the brick stays 10 to 15 degrees cooler while charging when my Prime is off. This will save the charger.
I usually wait until I am almost drained, usually anywhere from 1 to 20%. With lithium ion batteries there is no "memory" that develops so no worries there. Temperature is the mail killer of Li batteries. You can charge it any discharge state, again Li batteries don't care. I did an experiment and when the Prime is over 95% Even if you put it n the wall charger it doesn't charge. Once it drops below 95% it starts charging. Remember, this s MY Prime, your and everyone will be slightly different depending on the battery and how the software and hardware interact to provide battery conditions (temperature and %).
The dock changes the equation since it probably charges the Prime and a lower current then the wall charger so you can use it while charging. I don't have the dock so I cannot confirm this though. The Prime will charge of the PC USB but ALOT slower and the Prime has to be turned off
This is the way I do it. Everyone is different though.
Thanks,
I always shut down before charging, but it turns on on its own.
Always use the charger, never USB/PC
Yes I wait until 20%.. Temperature, well I never noticed an issue
The house is warm about 21 C, and I never use it in cars or outside.
The dock is not used too much, only few time, and even full charged it seems to drain pretty fast not in use.
I just ask because I can see that WiFi, brightness and standby are main cause for draining.
I cannot measure how long it lasts, and it's not an issue.
The question was just becaus a charge every 2 day.. normally is not a good way to preserve the battery.. But I am ignorant about this matter.
Charging time does seem to vary a bit. I would just charge your prime based on your needs. Li batteries have no memory, so charge it when it needs it. If you do leave your prime in the car, let your prime either warm up or cool down (or in other words, reach room temperature) before connecting to your charger.
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I keep reading that you should try and just charge your phone to 80% to help keep the battery healthy, as going to 100% can shotren the life span of the battery.
How ciritcal is this?
I know letting your phone run down to 0% is bad as it takes a fully clylce then to get back too 100% and this is not good for the battery long ter, but i must confess i usually let my battery get to around 50/60% ish then charge back up to 100%
I've always charged my phones fully and never noticed any issues. Maybe if you plan on keeping a device for 10 years, but for the usual lifetime of a phone it's just fine. My OP7 is 2 and a half years old now and still has 86% battery health. I've seen others in Telegram groups say that they never charge to 100% and when they post their battery health it's not much different from mine, sometimes even less.
I think modern batteries are fine being fully charged ... otherwise the OEMs or battery manufacturers would limit them to 80 or 90% by default.
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I've always charged my phones fully and never noticed any issues. Maybe if you plan on keeping a device for 10 years, but for the usual lifetime of a phone it's just fine. My OP7 is 2 and a half years old now and still has 86% battery health. I've seen others in Telegram groups say that they never charge to 100% and when they post their battery health it's not much different from mine, sometimes even less.
I think modern batteries are fine being fully charged ... otherwise the OEMs or battery manufacturers would limit them to 80 or 90% by default.
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I guess I have some buffer
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I guess I have some buffer
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Hehe yea, I guess they all show 102% then because I have that as well
I like the adaptive charging, set up your bedtime and alarm for getting up (or turning over) After bedtime, phone gets trickle charged to achieve 100% at morning alarm. No excess heat etc. Phone then lasts me all day till bedtime when put on airplane mode, switch off Wi-Fi, & sleep. Works for me.
I'm showing 106%
I always charge to full, using adapting charging over night. Charging slowly and keeping temperature down is more important than keeping it to 80% from my understanding.
I just lay my phone on a slow charge Qi pad every night and when I get up it is at 100%. Nexus 6, Pixel 3, now Pixel 6. Perhaps my battery life went down a bit on my Pixel 3 after 3 years, but not enough to notice. I think 100% charge (at least slow charging) is safe for 3 to 5 years of battery life.
Li's like frequent midrange power cycling; it can extend the lifespan hundreds even thousands more full charge cycles.
Voltage and temperature are the Li's biggest stress factors. Low or high temperature charging can cause Li plating.
The higher the cell voltage, the faster it degrades.
The same is true with temperature.
Personally I just replace them every year or so as a failed Li can severely damage a phone. They tend to swell during a failure which can easily damage the display.
My Samsung S10+ is 27 months old now. I'm charging it to 80% mainly daily. Had maybe max 20 full charges and only once or twice to zero. I'm at 86% battery health (according to 146 sessions). Was 92% six months after buying brand new.
I think it helps. Also since the battery is OK (4100mah), dont need that extra 20%.
EDIT: 15W Samsung "fast" charging. As fast as that is ...
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My Samsung S10+ is 27 months old now. I'm charging it to 80% mainly daily. Had maybe max 20 full charges and only once or twice to zero. I'm at 86% battery health (according to 146 sessions). Was 92% six months after buying brand new.
I think it helps. Also since the battery is OK (4100mah), dont need that extra 20%.
EDIT: 15W Samsung "fast" charging. As fast as that is ...
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A Li is considered degraded when it reaches 80% of it's initial capacity. This signals the end of its useful service life.
Degraded Li's are more likely to fail.
Trust me it's better to replace it before it fails...
I think Better Battery Stats made that reco back in the day.
Charge to 80% and plug in at 10%.
Not so sure that really matters anymore though.
Both my 2 XL and Pixel 5 were plugged in before bed, unplugged when I got up, plugged back in when I hit 10-15% or when I went to bed.
If you plan on keeping your device for a long time (like 3-4 years) doing the unplug at 80% and plug in at 10% might make a diff.
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I think Better Battery Stats made that reco back in the day.
Charge to 80% and plug in at 10%.
Not so sure that really matters anymore though.
Both my 2 XL and Pixel 5 were plugged in before bed, unplugged when I got up, plugged back in when I hit 10-15% or when I went to bed.
If you plan on keeping your device for a long time (like 3-4 years) doing the unplug at 80% and plug in at 10% might make a diff.
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10% is too low. It causes a lot of stress on the battery as it drops below 20% to charge from that starting point or lower.
Worse there's little usable energy after 20% because of the lower voltage. The phone uses the same wattage which is determined by V×A=W, so as the voltage drops it needs more milliamperes to make the same wattage. The discharge rate increases as the cell voltage drops.
A better low cut off is 30-40% or even higher and a high cutoff of 80% although 62% is optimum.
The Li likes frequent midrange power cycling. Charging beyond those parameters is for your convenience at the cost of battery lifespan.
Batteries are cheap and most are easy to replace... so I don't sweat it.
I expect a service life of 1-2 years on a heavily used N10+ battery.
However charging in the 40-72% range yields the most rapid fast charge in the shortest time so it makes sense to use this whenever convenient.
Well, I know things have been updated within Googles code itself.
"Adaptive Charging" / "Adatptive Connectivity" additions.
This was a real big problem for me with my HTC 10, (2016)
Battery degradation threads starting popping up.
I installed Accubattery after 1.5/2 years of owning the device and the battery was degraded to about 77% capacity at that time, IIRC. I was charging to 100% at that time, also.
So, I began charging stricly to 80%.
Compared to my HTC One M8 that to this day still has 90% capacity, and I used that device from the day Verizon released (3/2014) it until the day Verizon released the HTC 10 (5/2016).
I somehow managed to use the HTC 10 up until I bought the Pixel 5 on release day (10/2020).
I was charging the HTC 10 like 3 times a day just get through, and even went back to the HTC One M8 at one point because I had enough, but was waiting for the P5 to drop.
So to answer the question, I do believe it helps.
I do think that Adaptive charging/connectivity help, as well.
I take the view that if I don't need all the capacity on a particular day I charge no higher than 70%, which lands me around 30% end of day. Otherwise I'll guestimate what I need. Off to take some photo's tonight, so will probably charge it to 90% or so.
If you like fiddling around you can use something like Tasker to switch a smart plug that your charger's plugged into on and off at what you consider appropriate battery levels. Makes it all painless once set up. Or you can buy some extra hardware too. I use this in my car to limit the phone's max charge and temperature as, for me, I think most and fastest damage is done in a hot car float charging the phone at 100%.... https://chargie.org/ Not cheap but ok in my mind to hopefully extend the service life of the phone's battery. Less than the cost and hassle of replacing a battery anyway! (I'm not associated with Chargie other than as a customer)
OK, admittedly off-topic, but, this kind of sounds like a variation of the guidance I use for charging my electric car. Don't charge it unless it drops below 80% (so don't keep topping it up), but don't let it go below 20% regularly either. I mostly plug it in at around 60% and let it fully charge. Given the cost of a replacement battery would be more than the total value of the car, I hope this gives me 10 year of life.
Note10.1Dude said:
OK, admittedly off-topic, but, this kind of sounds like a variation of the guidance I use for charging my electric car. Don't charge it unless it drops below 80% (so don't keep topping it up), but don't let it go below 20% regularly either. I mostly plug it in at around 60% and let it fully charge. Given the cost of a replacement battery would be more than the total value of the car, I hope this gives me 10 year of life.
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EV metering is set up differently. What shows as 100% is likely a conservative 80% charge. Research for that variant.
A 35-40% low cut off is probably better as going lower generates more heat causing needless stress... unless you need that capacity.
Just downloaded the accubattery app and then fully charged but it’s estimating 6,401mah. Must be wrong and needs to calibrate over a few days.
I’ve never had any problems charging to 100% before so I’m not stopping now. I’ll be deleting this app if it keeps warning me like it has done.
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Just downloaded the accubattery app and then fully charged but it’s estimating 6,401mah. Must be wrong and needs to calibrate over a few days.
I’ve never had any problems charging to 100% before so I’m not stopping now. I’ll be deleting this app if it keeps warning me like it has done.
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Turn it off then.
Andyzurbs said:
Just downloaded the accubattery app and then fully charged but it’s estimating 6,401mah. Must be wrong and needs to calibrate over a few days.
I’ve never had any problems charging to 100% before so I’m not stopping now. I’ll be deleting this app if it keeps warning me like it has done.
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Accubattery just provides a guide. See here:
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Hello, I'm using a pixel 6 with two cards sim. When I go to sleep the phone is fully charged and internet/wifi is turned off. When i wake up i have 88% battery (I lose 1,5% per hour). In battery use i see Ims Service. I did a test and in...
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I used to cycle from full to empty on my Pixel 2 before recharging, at about 3 years the battery couldnt last until lunch anymore. This meant more cycling, and I could fully discharge/recharge it 3 or 4 times a day. Within 6 months the battery only lasted 5 minutes, it was stuffed. Phone always hot and needed to stay on a charger 24/7, would turn off if I opened the camera without usb power connected.
Held out about 6 months on a permanent usb battery bank, was such a slog to wait until the Pixel 6 was released.