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My children (twin boys) have phones (samsung i5500) and I'd like to be able to remove access to the settings option, mainly to prevent them messing around with passwords which they often forget. Tried searching google etc, but not seeing a solution (or anyone else asking)
Any idea how to do this? Both phones currently stock.
Thanks
You could try one of these:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...51bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5kb21vYmlsZS5hcHBsb2NrIl0.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sp.protector.free&feature=search_result
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.thinkyeah.smartlockfree&feature=search_result
Although note that Android is fairly "open" and there are probably ways around these. (I haven't tried any of them personally, nor have I tried to get around them. If your sons learn how to root the phones, they could probably easily remove any protection app you install. It may even be possible to just kill them from a task manager - you may want to block access to the Play Store also so that you must approve any apps they want to install)
EDIT: Just tried the first, seems to do the job well. I'd advise enabling the lock on "Settings" in the General tab and everything other than "incoming calls" on the Advanced tab. Haven't found anyway to get round it, so it seems to do the job.
EDIT: Having left it on my phone for a sort time, I noticed an increased battery drain (even just in half an hour). Not sure if others will be the same, or if this app always behaves like this, but if you notice battery draining quicker after installing one of these apps, you may want to try a different one.
Thanks, I've just found the same direction, it hadn't occurred to me earlier that settings was an app.
If you hit disable on settings app how do enable it back?
So i have my tmobile edge for a couple of days now and im not really impressed with the battery life so i installed greenify however its not showing me all the bloatware that came preinstalled, anyone else having these issues?
peste19 said:
So i have my tmobile edge for a couple of days now and im not really impressed with the battery life so i installed greenify however its not showing me all the bloatware that came preinstalled, anyone else having these issues?
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Do you have experimental mode enabled? I think you need the donation pack as well as root to greenify system apps.
didnt know about that, i tried going to experimental features and you are right donation package is needed however it says xposed is needed also, is xposed compatible with s6 edge? afraid of installing stuff to brick my device. I was trying to avoid rooting it for now since i see alot of people are bricking their devices, waiting for a fix.
Has anyone noticed some improvements using greenify with s6?
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didnt know about that, i tried going to experimental features and you are right donation package is needed however it says xposed is needed also, is xposed compatible with s6 edge? afraid of installing stuff to brick my device. I was trying to avoid rooting it for now since i see alot of people are bricking their devices, waiting for a fix.
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You don't need Xposed to greenify system apps. There are some other features in the experimental section that it enables, but you don't need them. (And you are right that xposed is not compatible with the edge).
However, if you are not rooted the System freezing doesn't work very well in my experience. It freezes them but they often start running again on their own. Thus you wind up with it trying to close them all down each time you turn off the phone. You might be better off disabling what apps you can manually instead.
Overall I didn't find Greenify to be great when not rooted - sometimes it gets stuck pressing the keys to force close the apps. The best way I found was to use tasker to trigger the hibernation when the phone has been idle for ~10minutes, but it was still a bit iffy.
It will probably be good enough to get you by for now if you think you will root later, but I am not sure I would bother if you probably won't ever root.
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You don't need Xposed to greenify system apps. There are some other features in the experimental section that it enables, but you don't need them. (And you are right that xposed is not compatible with the edge).
However, if you are not rooted the System freezing doesn't work very well in my experience. It freezes them but they often start running again on their own. Thus you wind up with it trying to close them all down each time you turn off the phone. You might be better off disabling what apps you can manually instead.
Overall I didn't find Greenify to be great when not rooted - sometimes it gets stuck pressing the keys to force close the apps. The best way I found was to use tasker to trigger the hibernation when the phone has been idle for ~10minutes, but it was still a bit iffy.
It will probably be good enough to get you by for now if you think you will root later, but I am not sure I would bother if you probably won't ever root.
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how did you use tasker to enable the hibernation? i am a bit new at this
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how did you use tasker to enable the hibernation? i am a bit new at this
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I just had a look but unfortunately I don't have the profile anymore to export it for you.
Doing it from scratch would be a bit daunting if you have never used Tasker before.
You basically need to:
1. Set a variable for the display state (ie, on, off and unlocked). %DisplayState
2. Have a task for the screen unlock which sets a variable %NeedToGreenify or similar.
3. Have a task for the when screen off event triggers and %NeedToGreenify is set. This task waits 10 minutes. Then check if the screen is still off - this is what %DisplayState is for (Stop if it is not). Clear %NeedToGreenify. Trigger Hibernate (Greenify is a 3rd Party Plugin). Wait 30 seconds. Turn the screen off "SecureSettings - LockDevice".
I think I may have also used SecureSettings to keep the screen on while the process is running. You will also need to set the task options to "abort existing task" if it is already running.
I think this is how it worked, but it was a while ago :/
I wanted to know what is the default behavior of android as of L/M (and if anything will change come N) when the device if put on sleep/suspend/power button is pressed. I'm not developing apps (but technical enough to know stuffs just not updated), so not posting over the developer section so hopefully someone here knows.
My problem is all apps I'm using gets suspended when I press the power button even those that I don't expect to get suspended and will do wakelocks gets suspended on my Asus Zenfone2. Which is weird since a few months back it does not behave this way (I'm suspecting aggressive battery management on the manufacturer's end). So I'm thinking of changing phones or flashing roms, but before that I want to know if this is something that is going to be the default going forward or is something the manufacturers think I will be happy to have (which I don't and I can't see any option to disable it).
Specific example that is easy to check, Fluid. It's a torrent app. I'll press the power off on my phone (after I check that the download is picking up) and I would expect it to continually download (since I configured it and allowed it to do so afaik). But when I come back to check, it would say 0kbps. But if I keep my screen on (set screen off or sleep to never) I see the download rate being constant.
Note that 1.) it does not kill the app unlike some other manufacturers (Sammy, Oppo), it just behaves like it's suspended. So it may or may not be Asus, just wanted to be sure and set my expectations going forward with android. And 2.) I have already check all settings I can get my hands on. On both the app and the system. Phone is unrooted for now. Data is not limited, power is set to performance. the only thing unchecked is stay awake while charging.
Thanks.
I did a few more google searches using different terms and I think I found my answer.
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32286797/wakelock-and-doze-mode
It seems like when android realize that you are no longer actively using your phone, it goes into a state where it will not allow any apps to work. with exceptions but still limited background processing. Well, as the poster on the link said, welcome to the war on background processing. I'll just keep the screen on so it does not go into doze mode or find a legacy phone to use...
SuperSU doesn't seem to be working the way it always has on my other devices in the past. After successfully flashing TWRP 2.8.7.0 [6.0] EN (by Sminki *xda* repack) on my Honor 7 with multi-tool and then installing SuperSU via TWRP and gaining root access, I rebooted my phone and immediately Google Play wanted me to update the SuperSU app. I updated the SuperSU app and also installed SuperSU Pro that I had purchased previously on another device. I then installed terminal emulator so I could confirm that I had root access by running the su command. However after running the terminal emulator and attempting to use the su command nothing happened. I didn't get an error that I would expect if root wasn't present such as su not found, it just seems to sit there waiting. It then occurred to me that I hadn't received the usual popup from SuperSU asking me whether I wanted to grant root permission.
From what I have been able to work out I do have root access but for whatever reason SuperSU is not displaying its message asking me to grant or deny access. I have managed to establish that I do have root by going into the SuperSU settings and setting the default access as grant rather than prompt after which terminal emulator is able to use the su command.
Does anyone know how I can get the prompt to work? I would rather have SuperSU prompt me when an app requests root access for security reasons since giving any app that requests root unfettered access probably isn't the best idea.
If your problem has anything to do with SSU Pro then I dont say nothing cause dont use it.
Anyway going the same procedure as you I had, after GPlay update, the problem when trying to open SSU with message "SSU binary cant be found" or sth like this. However my SSU has been working (at least it did look alike) giving prompts.
The solution was SSU cleanup, copying and installing SSU once again. If you check some threads here you will find some kinds of initial problems with SSU are quite common.
It looks like it is H7 speciality ;p. You need to flash B330 twice for 100% and you need to install SSU twice ;p
ps. Also "Draw over other apps" on but it was automatic - at least for me
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If your problem has anything to do with SSU Pro then I dont say nothing cause dont use it.
Anyway going the same procedure as you I had, after GPlay update, the problem when trying to open SSU with message "SSU binary cant be found" or sth like this. However my SSU has been working (at least it did look alike) giving prompts.
The solution was SSU cleanup, copying and installing SSU once again. If you check some threads here you will find some kinds of initial problems with SSU are quite common.
It looks like it is H7 speciality ;p. You need to flash B330 twice for 100% and you need to install SSU twice ;p
ps. Also "Draw over other apps" on but it was automatic - at least for me
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Thanks. Seems to be working now. Also disabling doze altogether on marshmallow seems to have solved a lot of other issues I was having since the marshmallow update and subsequent custom recovery and root install.
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disabling doze altogether on marshmallow
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By "Doze" you mean those switches to kill apps after screen lock or not?
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By "Doze" you mean those switches to kill apps after screen lock or not?
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No I mean Marshmallows built in doze feature. I have the switches you're talking about set to let the app keep running for important apps like SuperSU anyway but they only affect EMUIs own power manager. Doze and EMUIs power manager seem to fight each other anyway and I don't like how doze stops my notifications coming through with some apps and interferes with other apps that I like to leave running all the time like AcDisplay.
I completely disabled doze altogether using "dumpsys deviceidle disable" in terminal emulator or using adb shell. The only problem is that it will be re-enabled after a reboot so I used the universal init.d app to run an init.d script on every boot to disable it again since the honor 7 kernel doesn't natively support init.d. I have all the apps that I had on lollipop (plus some more that I didn't have on lollipop, since I didn't have root when I used lollipop) set up exactly the way they were then and let EMUI handle the power management. I get about the same battery life that I had in lollipop which is fine for me since I charge it fully every night anyway.
I am just in process of developing opinion on that. For sure made one mistake prefering Google Clock over Huawei (and uninstalling the latter) but now even with adequate settings (for example it should have auto-start set by PM Plus add-on for Phone Manager) I am not so sure of my alarms ; ) I have been accustomed to Vanilla Android till now.
Ok. I had to do my lecture on MM Doze & App Standby functions. Also I am newbie on EMUI.
It looks like that many important things (background GPS runnings apps, notifications, alarms) can be double complicated on MM Huawei :/ (not to mention other EMUI problems e.g. with lock screen)
We have clean MM Android with its problems even for Nexus owners, then we have EMUI with its own background / notifications problems.
So 'Ignore optimisations' switch is by Google. You do not use it but maybe know which Google / Huawei apps should have optimizations off? (I have there Android System WebView - why? Google product should have it invisible, Fused Locations - the same, HiSuite ?, HwAps ?)
Anyway people report that it does not help for GPS tracking apps shutdown problems, but it is rather related to EMUI I think.
PS. 1. I do not think Huawei / Google power managers fight in any way. Huawei power manager stricly speaking these are drivers for hardware needed + basic user power handling setup.
What they did on higher level is this "keeps running after screen off" switch but I would not be so sure if this, set one or the other way (and Huawei soft in general), works properly with GCM messages and other wakeups. One should keep in mind that Huawei sells a lot without Google apps at all.
PS.1.b. Some apps need some changes to work properly with Doze. They are not allowed now to do what they like and when they like. And if they have to say sth they must use GCM message , if they have sth important to say they must use GCM high priority message. Android 5.1 API level 22 alarms do not fire now, there are 2 new methods from what I read. And Google could block spamming "high priority messages". So idea & direction is good I think. For not MM updated apps put them in Ignored.
PS2. In my opinion also you should not confuse B330 power handling issues with Doze.
It could be just Huawei optimizing things: taking away fast charging switch because it is on default now, making changes to power handling etc. or not making changes needed so now it could be the problem with Android. People claiming worse battery life for B330 claim mostly best on B320.
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For sure made one mistake prefering Google Clock over Huawei (and uninstalling the latter) but now even with adequate settings (for example it should have auto-start set by PM Plus add-on for Phone Manager) I am not so sure of my alarms ; ) I have been accustomed to Vanilla Android till now.
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What's wrong with the Google clock? And what problems did you have after uninstalling the Huawei clock? I use the Google clock as my main clock app and have had no issues with it on either lollipop or marshmallow even after uninstalling the Huawei clock.
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Ok. I had to do my lecture on MM Doze & App Standby functions. Also I am newbie on EMUI.
It looks like that many important things (background GPS runnings apps, notifications, alarms) can be double complicated on MM Huawei :/ (not to mention other EMUI problems e.g. with lock screen)
We have clean MM Android with its problems even for Nexus owners, then we have EMUI with its own background / notifications problems.
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Agreed. While EMUI does have some of its own features that can be useful a lot of things are twice as complicated as they need to be. I have generally found that just allowing all apps that have notifications you want to receive e.g. twitter set to be allowed to autostart and run in the background as much as they like seems to reduce issues with notifications (still not worked out if it completely stopped any issues), and even then if I want notifications to display correctly on the lockscreen, not only do I need to allow them for each particular app on the lockscreen through the notification manager I still have to use a lockscreen replacement which in my case is AcDisplay. To be honest I have every app set to run on autostart and in the background and I still haven't found that it has much impact on battery life and this seems to solves a lot of these kinds of issues for me. My previous phone (Samsung Galaxy A3) used touchwiz and never had any of these options so I've always assumed that touchwiz/android allowed apps to run when they wanted and access what they wanted within the scope of their permissions and everything always worked fine, admittedly battery life was an issue on that phone but it had a much smaller battery capacity than the Honor 7 and it still lasted me most of a day.
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So 'Ignore optimisations' switch is by Google. You do not use it but maybe know which Google / Huawei apps should have optimizations off? (I have there Android System WebView - why? Google product should have it invisible, Fused Locations - the same, HiSuite ?, HwAps ?)
Anyway people report that it does not help for GPS tracking apps shutdown problems, but it is rather related to EMUI I think.
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I tried messing with the Ignore optimisations switch when I first upgraded to Marshmallow and it didn't seem to make any difference apps were still being afflicted with issues. I asked honor uk exactly what it did and whether it was for doze or not and they didn't know. I'm sure if I spoke Chinese and asked the Chinese customer service they would be able to tell me straight away but I never managed to find out. Even with doze disabled completely on my device I still have it set to ignore optimisations for all apps in case its something to do with EMUI.
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PS. 1. I do not think Huawei / Google power managers fight in any way. Huawei power manager stricly speaking these are drivers for hardware needed + basic user power handling setup.
What they did on higher level is this "keeps running after screen off" switch but I would not be so sure if this, set one or the other way (and Huawei soft in general), works properly with GCM messages and other wakeups. One should keep in mind that Huawei sells a lot without Google apps at all.
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What I meant by fight is that the 2 have their own settings rather than these being integrated with each other. So for example when specify that I want an app to be able to run in the background while the screen is off in an ideal world this would also tell Google's doze that I do not want it to doze that app. otherwise I have to effectively set the same thing twice even though it may be called different things.
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PS.1.b. Some apps need some changes to work properly with Doze. They are not allowed now to do what they like and when they like. And if they have to say sth they must use GCM message , if they have sth important to say they must use GCM high priority message. Android 5.1 API level 22 alarms do not fire now, there are 2 new methods from what I read. And Google could block spamming "high priority messages". So idea & direction is good I think. For not MM updated apps put them in Ignored.
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I like the idea of doze in general and I'm generally a fan of most things that google do with android. If i was running a nexus or an AOSP rom I would definitely leave doze activated and only disable its optimization for apps that either coded with doze in mind or apps which I personally consider to be high priority regardless of whether google agrees such as twitter. I lie to get twitter notification that I have enabled as soon as the tweet they link to is tweeted not at the intervals that doze allows apps to update at. But that's a personal thing rather than an issue with the idea. So for YouTube notifications for example I would be quite happy for doze to run the show.
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PS2. In my opinion also you should not confuse B330 power handling issues with Doze.
It could be just Huawei optimizing things: taking away fast charging switch because it is on default now, making changes to power handling etc. or not making changes needed so now it could be the problem with Android. People claiming worse battery life for B330 claim mostly best on B320.
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My intention has never been to confuse EMUI's power handling with Doze. I have just been trying to simplify the issue for me. as I have already said I generally allow any apps to do what they want both in EMUI's settings and by disabling doze as its simpler that way for me. Battery has never been an issue for me with either lollipop (B180) or marshmallow (B330) for me personally but i'm sure for some people it can be.
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What's wrong with the Google clock? And what problems did you have after uninstalling the Huawei clock? I use the Google clock as my main clock app and have had no issues with it on either lollipop or marshmallow even after uninstalling the Huawei clock.
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nothing wrong, in fact I've chosen it deliberately.
Basically prefer Google apps cause they can be updated and whats more new features are added from time to time, with let's say B330 stock you are left with B330 stock unless and if Huawei pushes sth new.
Just for some producers ROM's there are sometimes apps good enough and also interconnected on some levels with launcher / lock screen / power management that it is better to leave them & even make use of them.
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Even with doze disabled completely on my device I still have it set to ignore optimisations for all apps in case its something to do with EMUI.
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Rather strange for me what you're doing.
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What I meant by fight is that the 2 have their own settings rather than these being integrated with each other. So for example when specify that I want an app to be able to run in the background while the screen is off in an ideal world this would also tell Google's doze that I do not want it to doze that app. otherwise I have to effectively set the same thing twice even though it may be called different things.
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It cant be integrated, it is Google licensed system. Doze & App standby these are powerfull, long-term features.
This EMUI function is just easy switch to kill sth after screen off. Not sure of it
Also not sure of this auto-start PM Plus utility It is not only auto-start on system start but also start on events. Powerfull mess with many apps without granular controls.
However I use both ;p
edit. ok, it looks you're right about Doze. I.e. Huawei Doze problem. Here for Mate 8:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64827731&postcount=15
Not solved as I see (but no time to read everything)
So Paul @paulobrien solution is with his ROM, your solution is to shut down Doze, I would prefer Doze properly working on (rooted) stock solution
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The solution was SSU cleanup, copying and installing SSU once again. If you check some threads here you will find some kinds of initial problems with SSU are quite common.
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I have the same problem on my tablet Huawei MediaPad T1 8.0 Pro.
Please explain exactly what supposed to mean is "SSU cleanup, copying and installing SSU once again".
If one makes SSU cleanup then root access will flee for good and installing SSU again encounter the stark barrier, right?
If of course by "cleanup" you mean SuperSU's SETTINGS -> CLEANUP -> Reinstall (?)
@ioy
Do you have EMUI 4.0 on your tablet?
Some tips & tricks work between some Huawei models but for sure not each on everyone...
Anyway I made (in SSU) cleanup for full unroot (if I remember correctly :/) and by "copying & installing" I mean H7 procedure to copy and install via TWRP.
So full unroot and full root once again and in my case it solved my problem.
@adxuser, and what is EMUI 4.0 and how to check if it is on the tablet?
Where to learn about these tip & tricks?
I do not have TWRP because I wanted to have warranty still intact so not unlocked bootloader, and that's why I have unrooted with KingRooot and afterwards switched to SuperSU with SuperSume.
Please, respond...
How to use cleanup options in SuperSu, there're several ones intended for switching to another su application - all of them work the way they need TWRP or maybe it is possible to switchin the system (booted)?
@ioy
what is EMUI 4.0 and how to check if it is on the tablet?
Where to learn about these tip & tricks?
I do not have TWRP because I wanted to have warranty still intact so not unlocked bootloader, and that's why I have unrooted with KingRooot and afterwards switched to SuperSU with SuperSume.
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Emotion^^ User Interfece - Huawei visual & control overlay over Android.
For your http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_mediapad_t1_8_0-6705.php 4.3 not upgradeble Android it is probably 2.0? (settings > about).
Tips & tricks those are some common to EMUI solutions - working on many Huawei models. They are nowhere together to be found, you have to search in all Huawei models if you are looking for sth. special. Anyway as you probably understand from JellyBean EMUI no.x to MM EMUI no.4.0 (or 4.1) that is a long way (some common things could even work however).
And also I am not a root specialist but if you have a locked bootloader SSU will never work so make a full cleanup and do not try again
Maybe this KingRoot will work but search for info on that.
ps. in most "normal" countries unlocked bootloader hasn't got anything to warranty.
Yes, KingRoot worked normally, prompt popup windows worked neatly.
However, Huawei itself warns if you unlock the bootloader then they will not help you anymore in case of trouble. And as you maybe know already, Huawei official assistance is needed in doing unlocking bootloader, it is done through their site and first this terrible warning is displayed... (presumably they register phone's IMEI, serial number and these data is then spread to warranty service outposts worldwide)
Yes, they can track and they probably track a lot more easily
Regarding warranty it may and it vary from continent/country to continent/country but local (e.g. european) regulations take effect on that matter.
So Huawei China can even track what I did with the phone yesterday at 6pm but when I am able to relock the phone (even with status relocked) and it could be seen that it is malfunctioning because of hardware failure then I am talking to Huawei in Europe and I am totally not interested what Huawei China has to say.
So sometimes there are some commom myths and you should check (in a proper way ) what are the possibilities.
And you have cited wrong model, this one is Huawei MediaPad T1 PRO LTE:
http://www.gsmchoice.com/en/catalogue/huawei/mediapadt18.0lte/Huawei-MediaPad-T1-8.0-LTE.html
It has 4.4.4 Android version, and Emotion UI version 2.3, so what are these tips & tricks for this?
Please try to provide any clue, about those tips& tricks in respect of popup windows, as as I can see usual popups for any application are not present in this Huawei model... Apparently something must block them in a regular manner...
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And you have cited wrong model, this one is Huawei MediaPad T1 PRO LTE:
http://www.gsmchoice.com/en/catalogue/huawei/mediapadt18.0lte/Huawei-MediaPad-T1-8.0-LTE.html
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Quite possibly. Just a quick look.
As you probably understand we are on H7 subforum and I am not interested in other devices with its variants.
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It has 4.4.4 Android version, and Emotion UI version 2.3, so what are these tips & tricks for this?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66946525&postcount=12
Allright, how is it possible to switch off / disable this EMUI? What to freeze without bricking the phone? Presumably indeed this blocks popup windows itself and at all it seems providing no gain, plain Android is better and there are many apps on PlayStore with genius functions and full user's control, so please which system or internal memory apks are responsible for this EMUI and one normally can freeze them thus freeing the 'core' Android system from this dubious attraction?
I included a screenshot of all the options I'm given on the Greenify Settings tab. I've always avoided using Greenify because it seems very difficult to use; however, I keep hearing about all the miracles it does as far as battery life so I want to give it a chance.
My confusion comes from the fact that out of all the Tutorials, Reviews, Articles, etc. I've seen and read on YouTube & Google, everyone either has an older version of Greenify than me, or the options are a little different. Some versions have more options than mine, and some fewer. Some have specific settings enabled, some disabled.
For example, some tutorials said to enable Aggressive Doze and Automatic Hibernation, some said to disable them.
I would appreciate it very much if someone with more knowledge on the subject could explain to me what some of these settings do, and which would be better.
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I included a screenshot of all the options I'm given on the Greenify Settings tab. I've always avoided using Greenify because it seems very difficult to use; however, I keep hearing about all the miracles it does as far as battery life so I want to give it a chance.
My confusion comes from the fact that out of all the Tutorials, Reviews, Articles, etc. I've seen and read on YouTube & Google, everyone either has an older version of Greenify than me, or the options are a little different. Some versions have more options than mine, and some fewer. Some have specific settings enabled, some disabled.
For example, some tutorials said to enable Aggressive Doze and Automatic Hibernation, some said to disable them.
I would appreciate it very much if someone with more knowledge on the subject could explain to me what some of these settings do, and which would be better.
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Which version of Android are you running? If 7,8 or 9, most likely you will not need Greenify since Android itself handles the apps very well. Only apps which could not be controlled by Android and which drain battery excessively need control through Greenify or some similar app. Doze in these versions of Android is very capable.
If you want to know something more about this, search for posts from member Davey126 in https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/greenify/beta-greenify-3-1-build-1-1-23-2017-t3544311 thread.
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Which version of Android are you running? If 7,8 or 9, most likely you will not need Greenify since Android itself handles the apps very well. Only apps which could not be controlled by Android and which drain battery excessively need control through Greenify or some similar app. Doze in these versions of Android is very capable.
If you want to know something more about this, search for posts from member Davey126 in https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/greenify/beta-greenify-3-1-build-1-1-23-2017-t3544311 thread.
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@tnsmani obviously received my check ...
Kidding aside, his guidance is spot on. If you decide to experiment further ignore all the options. They are largely refinements; defaults are fine for most. Simply respond to initial setup prompts (including the all important 'root' query), add 'offending' apps to the watch list and observe whether Greenify helps to reduce background activity.
Wait...you don't have any "offending" apps, do not know how to identify bad actors have no idea if you actually have a problem with excessive (operative word) battery consumption?? If so Greenify will only work as well as your perception of good/evil/impotent which is often an inaccurate measure of reality.
Sadly, Greenify does not have magical powers. That said, It is an effective tool to address a specific type of 'problem': reining in undisciplined app driven background activity...plus a few other gems outside the scope of this discussion. If your device is rocking Android 6/7/8/9/27 native doze does a fine job managing cranky apps that want to eat your battery any small children within a 10 foot radius. Best part: no confusing knobs and dials! It just works.
Enjoy your device.
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Which version of Android are you running? If 7,8 or 9, most likely you will not need Greenify since Android itself handles the apps very well. Only apps which could not be controlled by Android and which drain battery excessively need control through Greenify or some similar app. Doze in these versions of Android is very capable.
If you want to know something more about this, search for posts from member Davey126 in https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/greenify/beta-greenify-3-1-build-1-1-23-2017-t3544311 thread.
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I'll definitely give that post by Davey126 a read, thanks.
I'm using a Galaxy Note 4 with Android Marshmallow 6.0.1. The phone is not officially supported anymore obviously, but with ROOT, it's still a great phone even today.
My only issue that made me consider Greenify; I don't know if this is typical of Android, is that I charge my phone to 100% before I go to sleep, and when I wake up it's at 86%. The battery is brand new and the phone has been restored to factory settings to start fresh.
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@tnsmani obviously received my check ...
Kidding aside, his guidance is spot on. If you decide to experiment further ignore all the options. They are largely refinements; defaults are fine for most. Simply respond to initial setup prompts (including the all important 'root' query), add 'offending' apps to the watch list and observe whether Greenify helps to reduce background activity.
Wait...you don't have any "offending" apps, do not know how to identify bad actors have no idea if you actually have a problem with excessive (operative word) battery consumption?? If so Greenify will only work as well as your perception of good/evil/impotent which is often an inaccurate measure of reality.
Sadly, Greenify does not have magical powers. That said, It is an effective tool to address a specific type of 'problem': reining in undisciplined app driven background activity...plus a few other gems outside the scope of this discussion. If your device is rocking Android 6/7/8/9/27 native doze does a fine job managing cranky apps that want to eat your battery any small children within a 10 foot radius. Best part: no confusing knobs and dials! It just works.
Enjoy your device.
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The screenshot I posted are the default settings as of now for my version of 4.3.2.0 of Greenify on my Galaxy Note 4. Would it be okay to assume that if I leave "these" settings on default without changing anything, and all I do is start choosing application to hibernate that I don't use often or don't need push notifications from, it's a good start?
I do have to choose applications manually for Greenify to start working right? I keep looking at all these "Smart Hibernation" & "Automatic Hibernation" settings and my brain goes back to regular applications like the old App Managers that would start working in the background without me settings anything up or choosing applications.
I'll give your post a read as well, and see if I can learn something from it. For once, I wish I had an Android phone with good battery life like my last iPhone; it wouldn't loose any charge overnight. Loosing 14% battery life overnight without doing anything is a little annoying, but now that I've tried Android with ROOT, it's practically imposible to go back to IOS; specially with all the customizing I can do on my Note 4.
Merazomo said:
I'll definitely give that post by Davey126 a read, thanks.
I'm using a Galaxy Note 4 with Android Marshmallow 6.0.1. The phone is not officially supported anymore obviously, but with ROOT, it's still a great phone even today.
My only issue that made me consider Greenify; I don't know if this is typical of Android, is that I charge my phone to 100% before I go to sleep, and when I wake up it's at 86%. The battery is brand new and the phone has been restored to factory settings to start fresh.
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On 6, you may require the help of Greenify but only after you identify the rogue app/s. Unless you sleep for 24 hours a day, your idle drain is high (14% during sleep).
Visit the BBS thread, learn how to create an idle dump, install latest BBS beta from the PlayStore, take an idle dump and post it in the BBS thread and ask for help.
Merazomo said:
The screenshot I posted are the default settings as of now for my version of 4.3.2.0 of Greenify on my Galaxy Note 4. Would it be okay to assume that if I leave "these" settings on default without changing anything, and all I do is start choosing application to hibernate that I don't use often or don't need push notifications from, it's a good start?
I do have to choose applications manually for Greenify to start working right? I keep looking at all these "Smart Hibernation" & "Automatic Hibernation" settings and my brain goes back to regular applications like the old App Managers that would start working in the background without me settings anything up or choosing applications.
I'll give your post a read as well, and see if I can learn something from it. For once, I wish I had an Android phone with good battery life like my last iPhone; it wouldn't loose any charge overnight. Loosing 14% battery life overnight without doing anything is a little annoying, but now that I've tried Android with ROOT, it's practically imposible to go back to IOS; specially with all the customizing I can do on my Note 4.
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Reread previous post. Your first task is to identify which app(s), if any, are draining your battery while the device is idle. Adding apps to Greenify w/o justification is a fools errand and will likely increase overall power consumption vs reduce it. Let's keep it simple. What apps regularly appear near the top of the list in Android's battery page in settings?
There are very few "new" batteries for 4 year old devices. While you many have purchased it recently there is a very good chance it sat on the shelf for several years. Or was 'loaded' with substandard cells with less than stated capacity.
Davey126 said:
Reread previous post. Your first task is to identify which app(s), if any, are draining your battery while the device is idle. Adding apps to Greenify w/o justification is a fools errand and will likely increase overall power consumption vs reduce it. Let's keep it simple. What apps regularly appear near the top of the list in Android's battery page in settings?
There are very few "new" batteries for 4 year old devices. While you many have purchased it recently there is a very good chance it sat on the shelf for several years. Or was 'loaded' with substandard cells with less than stated capacity.
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The battery is good since I was still using Lollipop LOL not that long on my Note 4, and I felt it ran a lot cooler and battery would last longer than on Marshmallow, but app permissions were horrible in Lollipop; I had no control of my privacy whatsoever with apps.
The only top app on my battery apps list with 20% of the battery used overnight was ESPN. I don't even have push notifications enabled for this app, and I used it hours before I went to sleep and before I charged the phone. That might be the app that is harming my battery life. All the other apps are at 0.04% or less.
Merazomo said:
The battery is good since I was still using Lollipop LOL not that long on my Note 4, and I felt it ran a lot cooler and battery would last longer than on Marshmallow, but app permissions were horrible in Lollipop; I had no control of my privacy whatsoever with apps.
The only top app on my battery apps list with 20% of the battery used overnight was ESPN. I don't even have push notifications enabled for this app, and I used it hours before I went to sleep and before I charged the phone. That might be the app that is harming my battery life. All the other apps are at 0.04% or less.
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ESPN app would be an excellent candidate to Greenify. Add it to the 'watch' list and observe device behavior over 24-48 hours.
Davey126 said:
ESPN app would be an excellent candidate to Greenify. Add it to the 'watch' list and observe device behavior over 24-48 hours.
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Everything is as you said. Greenify's default settings are more than satisfying, specially since all I wanted to do was to find the culprit that was killing my battery.
After using BetterBatteryStats & Greenify, it turns out "ESPN" and "Samsung Peel Remote Control" are both using more battery life overnight as I sleep, than the "System" itself.
ESPN behaves as it should when I hibernate it; however, Samsung's Peel Remote wakes up overnight; it won't stay hibernated.
I've been trying to use the scissor's icon to prevent other apps from waking the Peel Remote, but it gives me a failed message.
At least now I know that my problem is not the battery or the phone.
Merazomo said:
... however, Samsung's Peel Remote wakes up overnight; it won't stay hibernated.
I've been trying to use the scissor's icon to prevent other apps from waking the Peel Remote, but it gives me a failed message.
At least now I know that my problem is not the battery or the phone.
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Me thinks you should consider another app:
https://fossbytes.com/peel-remote-use-remove-smart-remote/
There are ways to tame the monster using perfectly legal advanced tools (MAT, SD Maid, etc.) but such discussion is beyond the scope of this thread.
Davey126 said:
Me thinks you should consider another app:
https://fossbytes.com/peel-remote-use-remove-smart-remote/
There are ways to tame the monster using perfectly legal advanced tools (MAT, SD Maid, etc.) but such discussion is beyond the scope of this thread.
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I though I was the only one struggling with these apps. I installed an app that called AFWall+ though, that blocks Internet/Data access to the Peel Remote. I no longer get that annoying TV Guide, Ads, or VOD recommendations; just the ability to use it as a normal remote.
The last 3 days, I've only lost 5% battery life overnight with the Greenify & AFWall+ combination. If that keeps up, it's as good as it is going to get for me. If it changes back to 14%, I'm just going to uninstall Peel.
Merazomo said:
I though I was the only one struggling with these apps. I installed an app that called AFWall+ though, that blocks Internet/Data access to the Peel Remote. I no longer get that annoying TV Guide, Ads, or VOD recommendations; just the ability to use it as a normal remote.
The last 3 days, I've only lost 5% battery life overnight with the Greenify & AFWall+ combination. If that keeps up, it's as good as it is going to get for me. If it changes back to 14%, I'm just going to uninstall Peel.
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A software firewall (preferably VPN based) is an excellent way to block unwanted content and network communications including ads, tracking uploads and/or malicious downloads. I run some type of software firewall on every device I own. As for idle drain rates, I average 0.15-0.25%/hr on WiFi only tablets; 0.4-0.6%/hr on phones. Pretty consistent range regardless of brand, ROM or other variables. Greenify, which I use sparingly, is the only non-native power management tool in my arsenal. No silly alarm/wakelock squashing, doze tuners, etc. Mind your settings, behaviors and app portfolio. Pretty simple stuff. Depressing news for budding geeks with too much time on their hands.
Merazomo said:
I though I was the only one struggling with these apps. I installed an app that called AFWall+ though, that blocks Internet/Data access to the Peel Remote. I no longer get that annoying TV Guide, Ads, or VOD recommendations; just the ability to use it as a normal remote.
The last 3 days, I've only lost 5% battery life overnight with the Greenify & AFWall+ combination. If that keeps up, it's as good as it is going to get for me. If it changes back to 14%, I'm just going to uninstall Peel.
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First and most important, it's exactly as @Davey126 stated directly above. Second in order to support your decision: For many years now, I use Greenify and AFWall+ Pro, and I confirm your observation. All of our telephones (we don't own an Android tablet etc.) achieve overnight battery drainages between 0.5 - 0.7%/h including network connection and some non-greenified apps. In airplane mode the drainage decreases to 0.2 - 0.3%/h. For quite some time till about a year ago, I also used tools like Amplify, PowerNap etc. until I realised it makes no sense to try to turn on these knobs i.e. to fight effects but not the causes - and more important I didn't gain any battery life by their utilisation.
BTW: If you're interested in trying a different firewall, NetGuard by M66B, very well known among all users interested in privacy, is an interesting alternative. Based on VPN and no-root required. The only reason why I stay with AFWall+ Pro and don't switch to NetGuard is Android's inherent limitation to only allow one VPN tunnel at a time. And as I always enable my own secure VPN connection with my RaspberryPi in our home network before I connect to mobile data or a foreign WiFi, I can't use NetGuard.
Oswald Boelcke said:
First and most important, it's exactly as @Davey126 stated directly above. Second in order to support your decision: For many years now, I use Greenify and AFWall+ Pro, and I confirm your observation. All of our telephones (we don't own an Android tablet etc.) achieve overnight battery drainages between 0.5 - 0.7%/h including network connection and some non-greenified apps. In airplane mode the drainage decreases to 0.2 - 0.3%/h. For quite some time till about a year ago, I also used tools like Amplify, PowerNap etc. until I realised it makes no sense to try to turn on these knobs i.e. to fight effects but not the causes - and more important I didn't gain any battery life by their utilisation.
BTW: If you're interested in trying a different firewall, NetGuard by M66B, very well known among all users interested in privacy, is an interesting alternative. Based on VPN and no-root required. The only reason why I stay with AFWall+ Pro and don't switch to NetGuard is Android's inherent limitation to only allow one VPN tunnel at a time. And as I always enable my own secure VPN connection with my RaspberryPi in our home network before I connect to mobile data or a foreign WiFi, I can't use NetGuard.
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Yeah, after doing much research online, it came down to NetGuard - NoRoot Firewall - Droidwall(now Avast) - Afwall+.
I chose Afwall+ because it seemed easier to use. The other apps seem more customizable if you know what you're doing, but for what I needed Afwall+ is more of a "click and save" type of app.
Davey126 said:
A software firewall (preferably VPN based) is an excellent way to block unwanted content and network communications including ads, tracking uploads and/or malicious downloads. I run some type of software firewall on every device I own. As for idle drain rates, I average 0.15-0.25%/hr on WiFi only tablets; 0.4-0.6%/hr on phones. Pretty consistent range regardless of brand, ROM or other variables. Greenify, which I use sparingly, is the only non-native power management tool in my arsenal. No silly alarm/wakelock squashing, doze tuners, etc. Mind your settings, behaviors and app portfolio. Pretty simple stuff. Depressing news for budding geeks with too much time on their hands.
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Curiosity bricked a few of my phones over the years LOL. I guess it's human nature.
Reading through a bunch of threads when I still didn't know what Greenify was, there were a few discussions about being able to get "push notifications" when an app was still in hibernation.
How much truth is there to those statements? I have Instagram, Messenger, Facebook, etc. installed on my phone not because I use them constantly, but because it's the easier/cheaper way for my family to contact me.
It would be great to be able to hibernate all those apps, and still know when my family is trying to contact me, even if I have to manually hibernate the apps again afterwards.
Or did I read too much into it and mixed things up?
Merazomo said:
Curiosity bricked a few of my phones over the years LOL. I guess it's human nature.
Reading through a bunch of threads when I still didn't know what Greenify was, there were a few discussions about being able to get "push notifications" when an app was still in hibernation.
How much truth is there to those statements? I have Instagram, Messenger, Facebook, etc. installed on my phone not because I use them constantly, but because it's the easier/cheaper way for my family to contact me.
It would be great to be able to hibernate all those apps, and still know when my family is trying to contact me, even if I have to manually hibernate the apps again afterwards.
Or did I read too much into it and mixed things up?
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Push notifications work with some Greenifed apps (must be GCM capable) but may be delayed by minutes/hours depending on Greenify settings, app design, GCM capabilities, availability of Xposed framework, timing of doze maintenance windows and a bunch of other variables. Best way to assess with your app portfolio is to try.