I was using Havoc OS with derp kernels for quite a long time, and used to play PUBG alot , so recently from past few weeks cpu temperature is reaching about 60°c (Maybe because of summer season) and then cpu starts to throttle.
Then I recently switched to Oxygen OS and when my temperature reaches 60°c something ,it doesn't throttle. (Maybe because oos uses different thermal profile)
So my questions are :
1. If it doesn't throttle above 60°c then could it harm my device?
2. What's the highest maximum temperature which wouldn't harm my device?
On Maximum 48-50 Degree Can Harm Your Device Chipset.
If You are on Latest OOS 25Build.
Then Install BuildProp Editor and Change The Value Stock Thermals False To True.
Reboot To Apply.
60 C Can Damage Your Device.
Smartphones Are Automatically Switch off When Reached to maximium Temperature 50-50.
Olystem said:
On Maximum 48-50 Degree Can Harm Your Device Chipset.
If You are on Latest OOS 25Build.
Then Install BuildProp Editor and Change The Value Stock Thermals False To True.
Reboot To Apply.
60 C Can Damage Your Device.
Smartphones Are Automatically Switch off When Reached to maximium Temperature 50-50.
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I have changed my rom to Pixel Experience, & now the temperature is just between 45-55 while playing games, but most of the time temperature was around 50°c . I think the problem was because of kernel or rom. Don't know the exact reason.
-TheKoolAnie- said:
I have changed my rom to Pixel Experience, & now the temperature is just between 45-55 while playing games, but most of the time temperature was around 50°c . I think the problem was because of kernel or rom. Don't know the exact reason.
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Flash Stock ROM Latest Version Then Check.
It's Not Normal.
Till Then Don't play the Games.
I also Facing same issue while playing games 44-46.
I think problem related to latest vendor.
Olystem said:
Flash Stock ROM Latest Version Then Check.
It's Not Normal.
Till Then Don't play the Games.
I also Facing same issue while playing games 44-46.
I think problem related to latest vendor.
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I switched to miui , not doing any heavy or performance requiring task, still this temperature.
P.s: I have applied Gadgeshildz skin on my Poco,do u think this could be the reason?
-TheKoolAnie- said:
I switched to miui , not doing any heavy or performance requiring task, still this temperature.
P.s: I have applied Gadgeshildz skin on my Poco,do u think this could be the reason?
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I didn't think the skin causing that issue.
Hello Bro This is CPU Temperature CPU Has a Limit to of 70-100 max .
This is Normal.
That is Thermal Profile.
If The Temperature Reach That Limit it Will Decrease The Performance.
Check Your Battery Temperature.
Check This.
This is mine.
In oxygen OS with Stock Kernel.
Olystem said:
Hello Bro This is CPU Temperature CPU Has a Limit to of 70-100 max .
This is Normal.
That is Thermal Profile.
If The Temperature Reach That Limit it Will Decrease The Performance.
Check Your Battery Temperature.
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I didn't understand your point.
Why is it normal? Temperature is reaching above 55°c which isn't normal.
Btw when I play pubg, battery temperature reaches to 46°c but when I took screen shot temperature was 40°c.
If battery temperature Reached to 47-55 degree that's not normal.
Your SS Shows thermal profile temperature not the CPU temperature.
CPU and GPU are components inside your phone and they heat from 40 -80 degree Celsius pretty fast in every phone. They can handle upto
Olystem said:
CPU and GPU are components inside your phone and they heat from 40 -80 degree Celsius pretty fast in every phone. They can handle upto
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As you can read in op ,I was talking about CPU temperature from starting. So when I play pubg and temperature reaches to 55°c so it's Safe? I got confused.
CPU and GPU are components inside your phone and they heat from 40 -80 degree Celsius pretty fast in every phone. They can handle upto
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Cpu temperature is Normal 40-80 degree.
Bro it's normal.
I am talking about battery temperature.
Working temps in heavy workloads (Games, YouTube, Split-screen/Dual screen, etc.) is around 60°c and it is quite normal but above 75°c thats when you expect damage to the system. According to other XDA Thread, https://www.xda-developers.com/processor-temperature-results-for-tens-of-socs-how-hot-is-your-chip/ Maximum Temperature recorded on a Qualcomm Device (It uses MSM8225Q Chipset) is 63.88°c
Expect Qualcomm that makes powerful and energy efficient SOCs even operating in high temperatures.
Darklouis said:
Working temps in heavy workloads (Games, YouTube, Split-screen/Dual screen, etc.) is around 60°c and it is quite normal but above 75°c thats when you expect damage to the system. According to other XDA Thread, https://www.xda-developers.com/processor-temperature-results-for-tens-of-socs-how-hot-is-your-chip/ Maximum Temperature recorded on a Qualcomm Device (It uses MSM8225Q Chipset) is 63.88°c
Expect Qualcomm that makes powerful and energy efficient SOCs even operating in high temperatures.
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So that means i shouldn't worry about below 60°c cpu temperature while playing game in hot environmen ( around 40°c)
-TheKoolAnie- said:
So that means i shouldn't worry about below 60°c cpu temperature while playing game in hot environmen ( around 40°c)
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Its fine. Just don't let it work around 70°c above.
Darklouis said:
Its fine. Just don't let it work around 70°c above.
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If he uses the default thermal profile, he won't reach above 70, well it shouldn't as the phone will throttle. That's the whole idea of throttling, to lower the temperatures to protect the CPU or GPU from any damage. Also, even if you reach a higher temperature then 70, at one point, the phone will switch off in order to protect itself from any damage. Well, in most cases.
ekin_strops said:
If he uses the default thermal profile, he won't reach above 70, well it shouldn't as the phone will throttle. That's the whole idea of throttling, to lower the temperatures to protect the CPU or GPU from any damage. Also, even if you reach a higher temperature then 70, at one point, the phone will switch off in order to protect itself from any damage. Well, in most cases.
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Btw every custom rom has its own throttling points for example :
Havoc os start to Throttle around 53°c
Whereas pixel experience throttles about 57_58°c
But in miui cpu temp reached above 60°c for few seconds still it doesn't throttle.
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If he uses the default thermal profile, he won't reach above 70, well it shouldn't as the phone will throttle. That's the whole idea of throttling, to lower the temperatures to protect the CPU or GPU from any damage. Also, even if you reach a higher temperature then 70, at one point, the phone will switch off in order to protect itself from any damage. Well, in most cases.
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Poco doesn't have automatic shutdown when overheating, but just a overheating notification. (Like in S10+) But maybe in a certain temperature, Poco has a built-in safety switch to automatically shutdown the device to prevent possible damage
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Poco doesn't have automatic shutdown when overheating, but just a overheating notification. (Like in S10+) But maybe in a certain temperature, Poco has a built-in safety switch to automatically shutdown the device to prevent possible damage
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Even the old Redmi note 4 had that switch, so i'm pretty sure they have it in Poco too.
My temps used to hover around 32*c back then before the MIUI Global Beta 10 9.3.28 came out. I forgot which beta version I was in. I was all stock with no root. While gaming, my temps would go as much as 37*c but never more than it.
Right now, I've tried MIUI EU and Global Beta and most of the time, my normal temps are around 38*c.
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There's something odd with Snapdragon 625 on RN4 (according to me).
I have noticed that the maximum clock is half of the times coming down to 1.6GHz or less instead of 2.0GHz, especially when charging when the phone is warm (but temperature isn't high enough to trigger down clocking-- around 30-40 degree Celsius).
This also happens when the phone is not charging and I am doing some task like using apps or playing games when the phone's hardly heating up (afterall, SD 625 is known for its no heating issues).
It looks like whenever I am doing some task that doesn't involve much processing, the max clock comes down (but when I am performing some CPU intensive task such as installing an app, the max clock stays at 2GHz).
I am using interactive governor. PLEASE NOTE THAT I AM TALKING ABOUT THE MAXIMUM CPU CLOCK WHICH IS AFFECTED IN MY CASE. Using Kernel Adiutor to reset max freq. to 2GHz hardly works. It seems like the system ignores my clock settings. Even if i set the governor to performance, the max clock still keeps coming down and going up.
What's the deal with this processor?
Also, all the 8 cores are ALWAYS ON. There's no option for CPU hotplug in Kernel Adiutor.
Please someone shed some light over this.
CPU is thermal throttling not only when CPU is hot, but also when battery is hot. Also it is using a frequency which it needs, if it's using 1.6ghz it means it doesnt need more for whatever you have been doing.
k3lcior said:
CPU is thermal throttling not only when CPU is hot, but also when battery is hot. Also it is using a frequency which it needs, if it's using 1.6ghz it means it doesnt need more for whatever you have been doing.
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It also happens when the phone is not warm/hot.
Please note that I'm not talking about the current frequency that is being used, I AM TALKING ABOUT THE MAX FREQ that is pulled down and up when I am working (even when just simply using the phone for little tasks which doesn't really heat the phone up).
While using any governor, the max freq should stick to what it is set to and the current freq varies. But here, the max freq is varying along with the current freq. Is this some feature or what?
If this is actually due to heating, is the management so bad that even 35-40 degree celsius makes the CPU throttle? Generally throttling happens at much higher temperatures.
This is 14nm SoC, it has much lower temperatures but also much lower max temp. (throttling start on lower temps)
You can't heat up this CPU to 60C or more like Snapdragon 8xx for example, because it will shut down.
k3lcior said:
This is 14nm SoC, it has much lower temperatures but also much lower max temp. (throttling start on lower temps)
You can't heat up this CPU to 60C or more like Snapdragon 8xx for example, because it will shut down.
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LOL means I can't make good use of the 2GHz 8 core CPU for long because it'll heat up and simply throttle down. That's too stupid to have a powerful processor.
i am having heating issue. I found no thread discussing.. I am in Miui9 global beta version. Rooted withMagisk using redwolf twrp. My top part of screen heats in normal usage for 5 minute in wifi/data.I have checked the cpu temp( maximum 42) and battery tem( 36 to 38)..But the screen become hot..any work around? Is it a software or hardware issue? how to resolve it
For you gamers out there
Finally I solved the thermal throttling problem in this lovely device.
BEWARE **YOUR PHONE WILL HEAT MORE**
first using your root explorer go to system/etc, you will find 3 files related to thermal throttling:
1. thermal-engine-8996-normal.conf
2. thermal-engine-8996-perf.conf
3. thermal-engine.conf
These files related to the configuration in the settings->power manager->power plan.
If you chose performance then your phone will use the perf.conf
If you chose Smart power-save your phone will use normal.conf
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After further investigation it seems that no matter what setting I choose the file that is active always the normal.conf.
perf.conf seems not affecting anything at all. Needs futher investigation.
That is the mechanic, now for the fun part:
Open the file you wish to edit using text editor.
The key is in these two sections
Code:
[SKIN_CPU_MONITOR]
#algo_type monitor
sampling 1000
sensor emmc_therm
thresholds 59000 62000
thresholds_clr 56000 60000
actions cluster0+cluster1 cluster0+cluster1
action_info 1400000+1700000 1500000+1824000
override 5000
[SKIN_GPU_MONITOR]
#algo_type monitor
sampling 1000
sensor emmc_therm
thresholds 41000 42000
thresholds_clr 39000 40000
actions gpu gpu
action_info 510000000 401800000
override 5000
As you can see the values above are a little bit different from yours, it's because I already change a bit.
The parts you should take consideration are thresholds, thresholds_clr, actions, and action_info.
Thresholds means in what temperature the device should throttle
Thresholds_clr means in what temperature the device will stop throttling
Actions mean which item to be throttled
Cluster0 = Little CPU
Cluster1 = Big CPU
GPU = GPU
so for example above
thresholds 59000
thresholds_clr 56000
actions cluster0+cluster1
action_info 1400000+1700000
Means it will start throttling at 59 celcius and stop throttling at56 celcius, the item to be throttled are little CPU which become 1400 mhz and big CPU which become 1700 mhz
You can add many parameters just by using spaces like example above.
Okay, hope it helps. If you confuse, just use my values above and unleash the 60fps beast. Muahahaha
Edit:
This is my current setting
Code:
[SKIN_CPU_MONITOR]
#algo_type monitor
sampling 1000
sensor tsens_tz_sensor11
thresholds 48000 50000
thresholds_clr 45000 49000
actions cluster0+cluster1 cluster0+cluster1
action_info 1500000+1824000 1400000+1700000
override 5000
Instead of emmc thermostat I use tsens_tz_sensor11 which is the temperature of the CPU core itself, I think it is better
Finally someone make magisk module for this (thanks nfsmw_gr), not yet tried it myself though
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=76793058&postcount=14
I've already moved on to stock b01 oreo rom, now it is located in /system/vendor/etc/thermal-engine.conf
Here is my current config
Code:
[SKIN_CHG_LIMIT]
algo_type monitor
sampling 1000
sensor emmc_therm
thresholds 39000 41000
thresholds_clr 38000 40000
actions battery battery
action_info 1 2
[SKIN_CPU_MONITOR_NORMAL]
algo_type monitor
sampling 1000
sensor emmc_therm
thresholds 36000 39000 42000
thresholds_clr 35000 38000 41000
actions cluster0+cluster1 cluster0+cluster1 cluster0+cluster1
action_info 1500000+1824000 1400000+1700000 1300000+1438000
override 5000
[SKIN_GPU_MONITOR_NORMAL]
algo_type monitor
sampling 1000
sensor emmc_therm
thresholds 41000 42000
thresholds_clr 39000 40000
actions gpu gpu
action_info 510000000 401800000
override 5000
Thank you so much.
Is this valid for destroying the phone without voiding the warranty?
aLexzkter said:
Is this valid for destroying the phone without voiding the warranty?
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Lol, I'm pretty sure there's a failsafe for temps
You'd probably want to also undervolt if you are removing thermal throttling to give yourself a little more headroom. Hellsgate kernel supports undervolting
Been doing similar for months and mentioned about it a few times in various places.
I don't think using the CPU temperature sensor is suitable for throttling as it peaks largely and fluctuates rapidly with corresponding load. The reason emmc_therm (quiet_therm in AOSP ROMs) is probably used for a suitable consistent reading. The related default temperature throttles need to be adjusted to reflect the changed sensor and it's nature. What will happen on your config is sudden throttling on CPU load that will unthrottle rapidly when load is decreased but the battery/device isn't likely any cooler.
Btw on AOSP I can't get any changes to stay after rebooting with disemmcwp system writable too. I'm guessing the kernel or something regenerates the defined values at startup. I found having the file modified through a Magisk module works however.
Sent from my Xperia Z3C using XDA Labs
I know this sounds super lazy but can this possibly be made into a magisk module for convenience for and for ease of enabling/disabling
dalebaxter01 said:
I know this sounds super lazy but can this possibly be made into a magisk module for convenience for and for ease of enabling/disabling
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I would like this as well if it's not much hassle.
dalebaxter01 said:
I know this sounds super lazy but can this possibly be made into a magisk module for convenience for and for ease of enabling/disabling
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put your changed file into this template https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-5/how-to/how-to-disable-thermal-throttling-t3636574
Infy_AsiX said:
Been doing similar for months and mentioned about it a few times in various places.
I don't think using the CPU temperature sensor is suitable for throttling as it peaks largely and fluctuates rapidly with corresponding load. The reason emmc_therm (quiet_therm in AOSP ROMs) is probably used for a suitable consistent reading. The related default temperature throttles need to be adjusted to reflect the changed sensor and it's nature. What will happen on your config is sudden throttling on CPU load that will unthrottle rapidly when load is decreased but the battery/device isn't likely any cooler.
Btw on AOSP I can't get any changes to stay after rebooting with disemmcwp system writable too. I'm guessing the kernel or something regenerates the defined values at startup. I found having the file modified through a Magisk module works however.
Sent from my Xperia Z3C using XDA Labs
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Yeah, this is also what I found. At first I just looked at which temp is the highest and use that sensor for the trigger. But then when I use cpu-z to observe the reading, I found that emmc_therm is the most consistent and not fluctuate drastically so much. Therefore I'm back using emmc_therm right now
Seeing this thread gives me flashback in the Android M days where a xposed module was needed to disable a system task killer that would kill my games if they used too much battery once I turn off screen _-_
Never again will I use my phone gaming while overheating message comes up.
It almost killed my phone, not turning on and charging. I had to disassemble the phone and remove the battery to make it charge again.
otaconremo said:
Never again will I use my phone gaming while overheating message comes up.
It almost killed my phone, not turning on and charging. I had to disassemble the phone and remove the battery to make it charge again.
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You should always keep your eyes on the temp. My rule of thumb is under 55 degree is ok, above that is no no. If your games always reach above 55 then you should re-tweak your thermal config.
Use dev check pro to observe the temp, though it doesn't have widget for emmc_therm only the cpu therm, you can still see what's going on under the screen
Okay, so after reading through the comments I made a magisk module for myself to test, using the template from the Mi 5 thread.
I modified all 3 files to be sure it works (my device boots so yeah, try it and let me know).
Also made a copy of the modded files at /system/etc to cover all scenarios because in the ROM I run the files are located in /system/vendor/etc, not in /system/etc as in the OP .
It shouldn't affect anything I think.
Anyway without stalling you'll find the file attached at the bottom, as always you flash at your own risk, have a nice day!
(P.S. If this is ok I'll put it on my thread with my Jojoc mod.)
otaconremo said:
Never again will I use my phone gaming while overheating message comes up.
It almost killed my phone, not turning on and charging. I had to disassemble the phone and remove the battery to make it charge again.
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No idea how you got that. I've never seen a overheating message on stock N or RR-O. I've gotten the device to overheat shutdown plenty of times after increasing the secondary CPU throttle (hasn't been described here) from 95degC to 105degC. Even on fan with enough load at maximum frequencies the CPU temp can spike to the presumedly 120degC Qualcomm shutdown (dropping one step on big cores is fine). This secondary throttle behaves differently by interrupting performance and unthrottling rapidly. Still boots fine after. I've yet to try if undervolting will allow that final big frequency step, on fan, increased to 105degC, no secondary throttle and no shutdowm.
I'd guess instead your battery voltage dropped too severely low being old degraded and too high a current draw, requiring a reset of the battery PCB or something.
iyancoolbgt said:
You should always keep your eyes on the temp. My rule of thumb is under 55 degree is ok, above that is no no. If your games always reach above 55 then you should re-tweak your thermal config.
Use dev check pro to observe the temp, though it doesn't have widget for emmc_therm only the cpu therm, you can still see what's going on under the screen
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55 isn't high at all for a CPU. You mean floating monitor overlay? It can select two custom temperatures to show on the dashboard and float monitor. The only real concern is battery temp. Other components are designed and rated to handle high temperatures. FWIW I've been running around 100degC CPU, keeping battery <50degC on fan with battery voltage limited to 3.85V for several months playing various high end games at maximum performance without notable ill effect. Well except that constant heat on the battery even at the safe low voltage will cause degradation, unavoidable cost for higher performance on a phone.
nfsmw_gr said:
Okay, so after reading through the comments I made a magisk module for myself to test, using the template from the Mi 5 thread.
I modified all 3 files to be sure it works (my device boots so yeah, try it and let me know).
Also made a copy of the modded files at /system/etc to cover all scenarios because in the ROM I run the files are located in /system/vendor/etc, not in /system/etc as in the OP .
It shouldn't affect anything I think.
Anyway without stalling you'll find the file attached at the bottom, as always you flash at your own risk, have a nice day!
(P.S. If this is ok I'll put it on my thread with my Jojoc mod.)
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That location sounds like how it was when I tried AEX-O. Don't know if anything's changed there but no files could affect ROM thermal throttling on it then. The files there are different too, maybe generic Sd820 config or something, whereas RR-O uses the same sensors, values and config as stock N. I did also try the stock config modded to AEX but still no go. The only file with effect where it works is the -normal.conf.
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No idea how you got that. I've never seen a overheating message on stock N or RR-O. I've gotten the device to overheat shutdown plenty of times after increasing the secondary CPU throttle (hasn't been described here) from 95degC to 105degC. Even on fan with enough load at maximum frequencies the CPU temp can spike to the presumedly 120degC Qualcomm shutdown (dropping one step on big cores is fine). This secondary throttle behaves differently by interrupting performance and unthrottling rapidly. Still boots fine after. I've yet to try if undervolting will allow that final big frequency step, on fan, increased to 105degC, no secondary throttle and no shutdowm.
I'd guess instead your battery voltage dropped too severely low being old degraded and too high a current draw, requiring a reset of the battery PCB or something.
55 isn't high at all for a CPU. You mean floating monitor overlay? It can select two custom temperatures to show on the dashboard and float monitor. The only real concern is battery temp. Other components are designed and rated to handle high temperatures. FWIW I've been running around 100degC CPU, keeping battery <50degC on fan with battery voltage limited to 3.85V for several months playing various high end games at maximum performance without notable ill effect. Well except that constant heat on the battery even at the safe low voltage will cause degradation, unavoidable cost for higher performance on a phone.
That location sounds like how it was when I tried AEX-O. Don't know if anything's changed there but no files could affect ROM thermal throttling on it then. The files there are different too, maybe generic Sd820 config or something, whereas RR-O uses the same sensors, values and config as stock N. I did also try the stock config modded to AEX but still no go. The only file with effect where it works is the -normal.conf.
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Mind sharing your own config?
Infy_AsiX said:
No idea how you got that. I've never seen a overheating message on stock N or RR-O. I've gotten the device to overheat shutdown plenty of times after increasing the secondary CPU throttle (hasn't been described here) from 95degC to 105degC. Even on fan with enough load at maximum frequencies the CPU temp can spike to the presumedly 120degC Qualcomm shutdown (dropping one step on big cores is fine). This secondary throttle behaves differently by interrupting performance and unthrottling rapidly. Still boots fine after. I've yet to try if undervolting will allow that final big frequency step, on fan, increased to 105degC, no secondary throttle and no shutdowm.
I'd guess instead your battery voltage dropped too severely low being old degraded and too high a current draw, requiring a reset of the battery PCB or something.
55 isn't high at all for a CPU. You mean floating monitor overlay? It can select two custom temperatures to show on the dashboard and float monitor. The only real concern is battery temp. Other components are designed and rated to handle high temperatures. FWIW I've been running around 100degC CPU, keeping battery <50degC on fan with battery voltage limited to 3.85V for several months playing various high end games at maximum performance without notable ill effect. Well except that constant heat on the battery even at the safe low voltage will cause degradation, unavoidable cost for higher performance on a phone.
That location sounds like how it was when I tried AEX-O. Don't know if anything's changed there but no files could affect ROM thermal throttling on it then. The files there are different too, maybe generic Sd820 config or something, whereas RR-O uses the same sensors, values and config as stock N. I did also try the stock config modded to AEX but still no go. The only file with effect where it works is the -normal.conf.
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I believe my battery is too degraded already. That only happens when my batt is below 20% and I was still gaming. That's why I'm very careful already when I'm getting lowbat. Btw, I'm using stock chinese mf5 version. The overheating message is from the Mi-Assistant app (Power Manager).
nfsmw_gr said:
Mind sharing your own config?
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I did awhile back but I guess it's a little scattered across posts. I was about to edit in another paragraph with more info but I'll put it here now instead. I'll consider cleaning up the new stuff to share, performance profiles is just a varied collection of performance levels.
I've setup various CPU GPU performance profiles to switch between using Tasker. From testing, the highest I'd go without a fan is 1600/1800 big and 1300 small. With a constant load at these frequencies the battery will still hit up to around 50degC, matching the much higher perf allowed with a fan.
Here's a tidbit to get y'all thinking about environmental impact on heat. Stock Daydream sets a Sustainable Performance mode that uses all cores at 1200MHz. In the Daydream Headset V1, the back of the phone actually has an air gap behind it because of raised nubs inside the headset. Yet with all this the battery can rather easily heat to over 55degC after a few dozen minutes. The headset v2 has a built in heatsink, with minor improvement apparently. Also on an off-topic note, that Sustained Performance mode gets stuck to on after using Daydream on stock N. Things no one notices unless you actually monitor
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otaconremo said:
I believe my battery is too degraded already. That only happens when my batt is below 20% and I was still gaming. That's why I'm very careful already when I'm getting lowbat. Btw, I'm using stock chinese mf5 version. The overheating message is from the Mi-Assistant app (Power Manager).
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Yeah sounds like my guess about an undervolted degraded battery. Oh I had that frozen so never got that alert. I'd assume it occurs when battery is 55degC or so, that's when Daydream alerts too for example.
Infy_AsiX said:
No idea how you got that. I've never seen a overheating message on stock N or RR-O. I've gotten the device to overheat shutdown plenty of times after increasing the secondary CPU throttle (hasn't been described here) from 95degC to 105degC. Even on fan with enough load at maximum frequencies the CPU temp can spike to the presumedly 120degC Qualcomm shutdown (dropping one step on big cores is fine). This secondary throttle behaves differently by interrupting performance and unthrottling rapidly. Still boots fine after. I've yet to try if undervolting will allow that final big frequency step, on fan, increased to 105degC, no secondary throttle and no shutdowm.
I'd guess instead your battery voltage dropped too severely low being old degraded and too high a current draw, requiring a reset of the battery PCB or something.
55 isn't high at all for a CPU. You mean floating monitor overlay? It can select two custom temperatures to show on the dashboard and float monitor. The only real concern is battery temp. Other components are designed and rated to handle high temperatures. FWIW I've been running around 100degC CPU, keeping battery <50degC on fan with battery voltage limited to 3.85V for several months playing various high end games at maximum performance without notable ill effect. Well except that constant heat on the battery even at the safe low voltage will cause degradation, unavoidable cost for higher performance on a phone.
That location sounds like how it was when I tried AEX-O. Don't know if anything's changed there but no files could affect ROM thermal throttling on it then. The files there are different too, maybe generic Sd820 config or something, whereas RR-O uses the same sensors, values and config as stock N. I did also try the stock config modded to AEX but still no go. The only file with effect where it works is the -normal.conf.
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Maybe I'm just too cautious But still, too much heat makes my hands really not comfortable.
I know we can customize which temperature to show, but no emmc_therm unfortunately. Reading your comment make me thinking, if the real concern is the battery temp, then why not using it as the trigger for the thermal config? It is listed as 'battery' in cpu-z list of thermal sensors. It means that we can use it right?
nfsmw_gr said:
Okay, so after reading through the comments I made a magisk module for myself to test, using the template from the Mi 5 thread.
I modified all 3 files to be sure it works (my device boots so yeah, try it and let me know).
Also made a copy of the modded files at /system/etc to cover all scenarios because in the ROM I run the files are located in /system/vendor/etc, not in /system/etc as in the OP .
It shouldn't affect anything I think.
Anyway without stalling you'll find the file attached at the bottom, as always you flash at your own risk, have a nice day!
(P.S. If this is ok I'll put it on my thread with my Jojoc mod.)
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Thanks, that's so cool. I'll put it on the first post
Some phones are great to take camping because if you play Asphalt 8 long enough, the back warms up to the ideal temperature that can bake bread. Rate this thread to express the extent to which the Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ stays cool under extended heavy use. A higher rating indicates that even when playing strenuous games for long periods of time, the phone doesn't get uncomfortably warm.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
No Q here...
XDA_RealLifeReview said:
Some phones are great to take camping because if you play Asphalt 8 long enough, the back warms up to the ideal temperature that can bake bread. Rate this thread to express the extent to which the Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ stays cool under extended heavy use. A higher rating indicates that even when playing strenuous games for long periods of time, the phone doesn't get uncomfortably warm.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
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The heat pipe system in it works very well... this phone should never run hot. If it does, something is wrong.
Mine needed extensive optimization to run cool... it's my favorite phone now. Like having a laptop in my palm. Avoid "upgrading" to Q, it's a nightmare.
[email protected] said:
The heat pipe system in it works very well... this phone should never run hot. If it does, something is wrong.
Mine needed extensive optimization to run cool... it's my favorite phone now. Like having a laptop in my palm. Avoid "upgrading" to Q, it's a nightmare.
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All phones with good cpu/gpu get hot when gaming for long time.
There is not any thing wrong with that.
Exynos phones get very hot ingame, cpu temp can go up to 70c.
If your note 10 don't get warm after 1h asphalt 8 there is something wrong with it like low fps and or trottle.
Batteri temp in heavy game around 40c
Cpu temp in heavy game (Exynos chip) 60c-70c.
Your phone will be warm..
XDA_RealLifeReview said:
Some phones are great to take camping because if you play Asphalt 8 long enough, the back warms up to the ideal temperature that can bake bread. Rate this thread to express the extent to which the Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ stays cool under extended heavy use. A higher rating indicates that even when playing strenuous games for long periods of time, the phone doesn't get uncomfortably warm.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
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robalm said:
All phones with good cpu/gpu get hot when gaming for long time.
There is not any thing wrong with that.
Exynos phones get very hot ingame, cpu temp can go up to 70c.
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Talking about unwarranted running hot. dah.
The hottest my phone has reached playing games was 45°c. But it mostly sits at 43°c when gaming. Is that good?
Too hot
denism81 said:
The hottest my phone has reached playing games was 45°c. But it mostly sits at 43°c when gaming. Is that good?
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No.
107 F is too hot*. This isn't a desktop cpu; running an LI battery this hot will greatly diminish its lifespan.
Some of the CPU heat plus the extra current drain heat the LI bat up. I never let my battery temp exceed 103 F when in use or 100 F during a charge. >85 during charging is better.
Put a damp rag around it or on the backside if in use to cool it if the ambient temp is too high...
*43 C is fine for CPU temp as long as the battery isn't getting baked. F is easier for real world temp measurement.
My cpu and chips are running at about 104 F while the battery is at 95F; the ambient temp is about 90 F, acceptable.
This with a light cpu load with brightness at about 40%
For heavy cpu usage at these temps for more than 10 minutes would drive the battery temp unexceptably high without external cooling.
Monitor the battery temp. Lol, if the phone feels very warm/hot it's damp rag or shutdown time.
F is easier for"real world" ? F are only used in ONE country! Which, by no means equals ALL the world, science, real science uses metric system
denism81 said:
The hottest my phone has reached playing games was 45°c. But it mostly sits at 43°c when gaming. Is that good?
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winol said:
F is easier for"real world" ? F are only used in ONE country! Which, by no means equals ALL the world, science, real science uses metric system
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The Fahrenheit scale is centered around the temperature zone most used by humans.
A 10° F isn't too much a of a change but modest amount.
A 10° C change is huge.
It's ackward to use in real life... suffer.
[email protected] said:
The heat pipe system in it works very well... this phone should never run hot. If it does, something is wrong.
Mine needed extensive optimization to run cool... it's my favorite phone now. Like having a laptop in my palm. Avoid "upgrading" to Q, it's a nightmare.
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robalm said:
All phones with good cpu/gpu get hot when gaming for long time.
There is not any thing wrong with that.
Exynos phones get very hot ingame, cpu temp can go up to 70c.
If your note 10 don't get warm after 1h asphalt 8 there is something wrong with it like low fps and or trottle.
Batteri temp in heavy game around 40c
Cpu temp in heavy game (Exynos chip) 60c-70c.
Your phone will be warm..
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No.
107 F is too hot*. This isn't a desktop cpu; running an LI battery this hot will greatly diminish its lifespan.
Some of the CPU heat plus the extra current drain heat the LI bat up. I never let my battery temp exceed 103 F when in use or 100 F during a charge. >85 during charging is better.
Put a damp rag around it or on the backside if in use to cool it if the ambient temp is too high...
*43 C is fine for CPU temp as long as the battery isn't getting baked. F is easier for real world temp measurement.
My cpu and chips are running at about 104 F while the battery is at 95F; the ambient temp is about 90 F, acceptable.
This with a light cpu load with brightness at about 40%
For heavy cpu usage at these temps for more than 10 minutes would drive the battery temp unexceptably high without external cooling.
Monitor the battery temp. Lol, if the phone feels very warm/hot it's damp rag or shutdown time.
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Good thing you don't have the Exynos version.
The idle cpu temp is around 50c with about 20-25c room temp.
What program to you monitor cpu and chips with?
robalm said:
Good thing you don't have the Exynos version.
The idle cpu temp is around 50c with about 20-25c room temp.
What program to you monitor cpu and chips with?
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122 F is really hot for a cell phone... a very expensive hand warmer. When a phone feels hot; it's already too hot. This will greatly shorten LI life especially if above a 90% charge.
Current drain* at idle with 50% brightness level should be below 220 ma. Typical idle current on this one averages at 140-200 ma.
If it's running >400 ma, something's running in the background sucking the life out of it.
I use different temp apps. Been playing with the Gitlab one.
It's 26.6C (80 F) ambient temp here and the CPU is averaging about 35.5 C (96 F) as I'm using the Note.
Battery temp is the only one I need to really watch.
I monitor that and battery current drain.
*AT&T variat, not rooted but heavily optimized.
[email protected] said:
122 F is really hot for a cell phone... a very expensive hand warmer. When a phone feels hot; it's already too hot. This will greatly shorten LI life especially if above a 90% charge.
Current drain* at idle with 50% brightness level should be below 220 ma. Typical idle current on this one averages at 140-200 ma.
If it's running >400 ma, something's running in the background sucking the life out of it.
I use different temp apps. Been playing with the Gitlab one.
It's 26.6C (80 F) ambient temp here and the CPU is averaging about 35.5 C (96 F) as I'm using the Note.
Battery temp is the only one I need to really watch.
I monitor that and battery current drain.
*AT&T variat, not rooted but heavily optimized.
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exynos is running hot, there is not mutch you can do.
Here is one example
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LfZUNL5hyVw
If you pause the video when he start antutu you can se the cpu temp of the s20 ultra (about 56c without any massive load).
My old s8 with exynos got warm and it worked just fine for 2 years, sure i lost a few % on the batteri.
After 2 years just get a new batteri and enjoy.
I know snappdragon is running mutch cooler, but make sure you get a app that show the right temp. 35c in a 26.6C room sounds like idle temp at best.
robalm said:
Good thing you don't have the Exynos version.
The idle cpu temp is around 50c with about 20-25c room temp.
What program to you monitor cpu and chips with?
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robalm said:
exynos is running hot, there is not mutch you can do.
Here is one example
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LfZUNL5hyVw
If you pause the video when he start antutu you can se the cpu temp of the s20 ultra (about 56c without any massive load).
My old s8 with exynos got warm and it worked just fine for 2 years, sure i lost a few % on the batteri.
So after 2 years just get a new batteri and enjoy.
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Meh... I'm liking my Snapdragon a little more.
Samsung design engineers are like a box of rabid gerbils...
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122 F is really hot for a cell phone... a very expensive hand warmer. When a phone feels hot; it's already too hot. This will greatly shorten LI life especially if above a 90% charge.
Current drain* at idle with 50% brightness level should be below 220 ma. Typical idle current on this one averages at 140-200 ma.
If it's running >400 ma, something's running in the background sucking the life out of it.
I use different temp apps. Been playing with the Gitlab one.
It's 26.6C (80 F) ambient temp here and the CPU is averaging about 35.5 C (96 F) as I'm using the Note.
Battery temp is the only one I need to really watch.
I monitor that and battery current drain.
*AT&T variat, not rooted but heavily optimized.
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Meh... I'm liking my Snapdragon a little more.
Samsung design engineers are like a box of rabid gerbils...
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Snappdragon 855 is great.
[email protected] said:
The Fahrenheit scale is centered around the temperature zone most used by humans.
A 10° F isn't too much a of a change but modest amount.
A 10° C change is huge.
It's ackward to use in real life... suffer.
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For you Fahrenheit may sound "logical" as you grew up with it. For us - the rest of the world - we grew up with Celsius. We don't need a scale "centered around a temp zone used by humans", we know what effect a 10°C drop in temperature has on us...nothing ackward about it.
Yes well...
cfds said:
For you Fahrenheit may sound "logical" as you grew up with it. For us - the rest of the world - we grew up with Celsius. We don't need a scale "centered around a temp zone used by humans", we know what effect a 10°C drop in temperature has on us...nothing ackward about it.
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The west is the best.
Get here and we'll do the rest JM
I rest my case...
blackhawk said:
The west is the best.
Get here and we'll do the rest JM
I rest my case...
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What do you mean, exactly with"west" ?
There is just one country using that retrograde Farenheit scale, and despite that, scientist there use metric
winol said:
What do you mean, exactly with"west" ?
There is just one country using that retrograde Farenheit scale, and despite that, scientist there use metric
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Unlike the metric system of temperature measurement it is uniquely centered in a range where most living occurs... 96.8° is a better way to index human body temp. One degree matters.
It's Jim Morrison's quote... America, to find yourself.
winol said:
What do you mean, exactly with"west" ?
There is just one country using that retrograde Farenheit scale, and despite that, scientist there use metric
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I think we should leave it, his mind is limited to "west" only and he has not learned to see beyond that.
robalm said:
Good thing you don't have the Exynos version.
The idle cpu temp is around 50c with about 20-25c room temp.
What program to you monitor cpu and chips with?
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Update...
Trying out this temp apk:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.novelmatrix.temperaturemonitor
It will display in the corner of the screen real time. Low resource usage. Some ads on set up but liking it so far.
At 96° ambient I'm seeing the CPU, GPU typically going between 102-118 F depending on usage.
Browsing it's running between 100-102 F
Internet vid jumps to about 114 F at this ambient temp.
Obviously higher for cpu/gpu intense apks, haven't benchmark it yet with this running.
The battery is at 96.8 F and typically runs cooler.
The heat pipe seem to work well; dissipates heat rapidly from the cpu and helps keep the battery temp down.
blackhawk said:
Update...
Trying out this temp apk:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.novelmatrix.temperaturemonitor
It will display in the corner of the screen real time. Low resource usage. Some ads on set up but liking it so far.
At 96° ambient I'm seeing the CPU, GPU typically going between 102-118 F depending on usage.
Browsing it's running between 100-102 F
Internet vid jumps to about 114 F at this ambient temp.
Obviously higher for cpu/gpu intense apks, haven't benchmark it yet with this running.
The battery is at 96.8 F and typically runs cooler.
The heat pipe seem to work well; dissipates heat rapidly from the cpu and helps keep the battery temp down.
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"Cpu and gpu temp not supported"
Hi Guys. I play Black desert mobile on poco and when I have High graphics the gpu usage is around 30% while the cpu is 25%. Everything is ok, I can't say something about that. The point is that when I set the graphics to max settings, the usage of the graphics card goes between 35% - 60% and the processor is around 35%. For this reason, I would like you to tell me, how much the usage of gpu affects the overall 'health' and performance of the mobile, if it matters at all . What I mean is, whether it is 30% or 60%, will it affect the mobile in general? For example, I can use max graphics all the time without damaging the phone?
DennisKrem said:
Hi Guys. I play Black desert mobile on poco and when I have High graphics the gpu usage is around 30% while the cpu is 25%. Everything is ok, I can't say something about that. The point is that when I set the graphics to max settings, the usage of the graphics card goes between 35% - 60% and the processor is around 35%. For this reason, I would like you to tell me, how much the usage of gpu affects the overall 'health' and performance of the mobile, if it matters at all . What I mean is, whether it is 30% or 60%, will it affect the mobile in general? For example, I can use max graphics all the time without damaging the phone?
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Anyone has an answer ?
I can use max graphics all the time without damaging the phone
I am always playing game max graphics
Poco have 845 and liquid cooler
AsusZenFone3Deluxe said:
I can use max graphics all the time without damaging the phone
I am always playing game max graphics
Poco have 845 and liquid cooler
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Ok thank you. Are you sure though ? I mean have you checked if there is any difference between the battery power after and before playing for many hours ? Or with the performance in general? Because I can play sometimes many hours a day.
hi everyone
i was wondering if these temps are normal
i was playing Codm for 50mins on lowest graphic settings and highest fps
ambient 22C
no phone cover
(Not charging)
Cpu: 57C
Gpu: 52C
Battery: 39C
Absolutely fine.
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Absolutely fine.
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thanks.
what is the maximum temp cpu can reach safely?
because i live in a hot environment (30C+) and this test happened in my room
CPU should start throttling down once it hits 75-80C but depending upon the thermals used it can be tweaked up/down. Therm shutoff point should be ~90C.