Hello guys,
So the other day I was messing with thermals and I flashed a thermal that basically removes entire thermal throttling. Because of that, I was able to charge my phone at 33wat constantly for about 20 mins. The charging speed was super awesome, but I'm wondering is it safe to do so constantly? When I was back on stock settings, the charge speed would randomly fluctuate b/w 10-18 watt but with no throttling it just constantly remains on 33watt.
So again is it safe to keep charging my phone on these higher voltages constantly?
alifarhad said:
Hello guys,
So the other day I was messing with thermals and I flashed a thermal that basically removes entire thermal throttling. Because of that, I was able to charge my phone at 33wat constantly for about 20 mins. The charging speed was super awesome, but I'm wondering is it safe to do so constantly? When I was back on stock settings, the charge speed would randomly fluctuate b/w 10-18 watt but with no throttling it just constantly remains on 33watt.
So again is it safe to keep charging my phone on these higher voltages constantly?
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Not knowing enough about this, I'd assume it's not safe and that heating of the battery would be the issue and would lead to your battery being cooked over a series of charging cycles, but I see your point temperature was not excessive (34°) - I'd advise using an app to record moment by moment charging temperature
Assuming you didn't have your phone in a pool of cooled mineral oil during charging I'd assume that you've just become a test pilot. Let us know what happens... [consider also the possibility that your house might burn down]
thesoupthief said:
Not knowing enough about this, I'd assume it's not safe and that heating of the battery would be the issue and would lead to your battery being cooked over a series of charging cycles, but I see your point temperature was not excessive (34°) - I'd advise using an app to record moment by moment charging temperature
Assuming you didn't have your phone in a pool of cooled mineral oil during charging I'd assume that you've just become a test pilot. Let us know what happens... [consider also the possibility that your house might burn down]
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OK thanks for your insights. Yes I did some research on my own. Particularly from battery university (yes that's a thing, a whole website..) and I learned that as long as your battery temp doesn't hit 50c you can do whatever you want because in the end your phone only ever draws enough power that its circuitry was designed for. So that information was enough for me to continue my journey into hotter waters.
So far, during charging from 49% to 80% my poco only took about 17 mins to reach there and right when it reached 80c that I saw it start to throttle a bit so by the time it was 82, the watts came down to 25-28 range. So I guess that's hardware throttling in effect since I have already got the software ones removed? And anyway during these 17 mins, while the ambient temp at my place was 32c, the battery temp soared as far as 43c. I believe I would frequently hit the same temp even when I had all thermal enabled running on stock setup. So we can safely rule out that it didn't happen because of not having thermals but just because the ambaint + charging had their own way.
Lastly, I would continue doing this for few more days checking under air-conditioned room next and see how it goes. For now I'm sticking with 20-80 battery rule because that's supposed to be the safest thing in the world of li-on batteries.
Normally quickcharge will keep stuff safe so it will adjust accordingly.
If temps would get over 40-45 deg. c. over a long time it would take a hit on the 'life' of the cell.
Charging slow and between a range of 10 and 90% will help cell life for sure.
what kind of adapter were you using to get 33 watts? most i've seen on my phone is 22 or something watts
also, what font is that if you don't mind me asking
mine does 33 watts too ??
MinBCrafter said:
what kind of adapter were you using to get 33 watts? most i've seen on my phone is 22 or something watts
also, what font is that if you don't mind me asking
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Stock adapter that comes with box. And font is from IOS. Available in handy magisk model. Search inside magisk manager.
MinBCrafter said:
mine does 33 watts too ??
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Yep its 33watt as shown. What's your Rom + kernel setup?
alifarhad said:
Yep its 33watt as shown. What's your Rom + kernel setup?
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Pixel Experience w/f2fs (7/22/2019) + Optimus Drunk kernel latest
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Pixel Experience w/f2fs (7/22/2019) + Optimus Drunk kernel latest
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Whats the deal about f2fs I keep seeing this pop every once in a while but never got enough details on it. Since you are using it, can you educate me what it's and does it even make any difference?
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Whats the deal about f2fs I keep seeing this pop every once in a while but never got enough details on it. Since you are using it, can you educate me what it's and does it even make any difference?
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It's a file system for android, and yes it does make quite a decent (not like huge) difference when you load up apps (f2fs is usually used in the /data partition) basically apps open faster and it makes the phone feels snappier.
alifarhad said:
OK thanks for your insights. Yes I did some research on my own. Particularly from battery university (yes that's a thing, a whole website..) and I learned that as long as your battery temp doesn't hit 50c you can do whatever you want because in the end your phone only ever draws enough power that its circuitry was designed for. So that information was enough for me to continue my journey into hotter waters.
So far, during charging from 49% to 80% my poco only took about 17 mins to reach there and right when it reached 80c that I saw it start to throttle a bit so by the time it was 82, the watts came down to 25-28 range. So I guess that's hardware throttling in effect since I have already got the software ones removed? And anyway during these 17 mins, while the ambient temp at my place was 32c, the battery temp soared as far as 43c. I believe I would frequently hit the same temp even when I had all thermal enabled running on stock setup. So we can safely rule out that it didn't happen because of not having thermals but just because the ambaint + charging had their own way.
Lastly, I would continue doing this for few more days checking under air-conditioned room next and see how it goes. For now I'm sticking with 20-80 battery rule because that's supposed to be the safest thing in the world of li-on batteries.
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But, how long does it take to reach 49% from 0% or from 20% as you say you follow the 20-80 rule?
Removing thermals is not a good idea, I'm not an expert but I get more fluid experience playing CODM , capping the max speed of all proccesors to 1.7ghz , and keep the phone charging at low voltage. I can play for hours at 60fps and the battery never hits 44c. Removing thermals and processor's cap, I would have a great 15 minutes of game and then it would be very hot and hardware throttle, to the extreme of even get only 20 frames /sec or even less.
All that heat is bad for battery and the components. The battery will go bad faster, inflating in worst cases, and the IPS panel can get permanent ghosting. I know this from previous devices poco included. I do gaming for hours. Removing thermals + gaming at high brightness is bad.
unrafa said:
Removing thermals is not a good idea, I'm not an expert but I get more fluid experience playing CODM , capping the max speed of all proccesors to 1.7ghz , and keep the phone charging at low voltage. I can play for hours at 60fps and the battery never hits 44c. Removing thermals and processor's cap, I would have a great 15 minutes of game and then it would be very hot and hardware throttle, to the extreme of even get only 20 frames /sec or even less.
All that heat is bad for battery and the components. The battery will go bad faster, inflating in worst cases, and the IPS panel can get permanent ghosting. I know this from previous devices poco included. I do gaming for hours. Removing thermals + gaming at high brightness is bad.
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Um, you don't just remove thermal limitations and charge like yesterday.
That is useless and in some cases counter-intuitive.
You highly decrease the temperature to 14 degree Celsius to 26/28 Degree Celsius and charge in that.
However as you say, if you're doing high intense activities that use a lot of hardware, which generally heats the phone, then having a heated phone for extended periods of time *might* be bad for the battery, well having any electronic device heated is bad for the internal circuitry. I have a personal experience with this.
That said, as long as you're using your phone for mild to medium intensity activities like watching multi-media applications and surfing, calling, etc removing thermals will have no significant issues and not reduce the battery life because your phone is mostly never going above 35/36 degree Celsius.
Or if you can, remove thermals whenever you're charging and put them back on whenever you're not.
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alifarhad said:
Hello guys,
So the other day I was messing with thermals and I flashed a thermal that basically removes entire thermal throttling. Because of that, I was able to charge my phone at 33wat constantly for about 20 mins. The charging speed was super awesome, but I'm wondering is it safe to do so constantly? When I was back on stock settings, the charge speed would randomly fluctuate b/w 10-18 watt but with no throttling it just constantly remains on 33watt.
So again is it safe to keep charging my phone on these higher voltages constantly?
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what app is that?
Fgacko said:
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what app is that?
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FKM. Franco Kernel Manager.
shivy25 said:
FKM. Franco Kernel Manager.
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ah, thanks
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From what I have gathered from those that have provided info.
Around 120*F is normal for heavy use, around 105-110* for medium use, 100-105* for light use. This is with cell data enabled, wifi lowers temps 5-10*, also temps are for extended use scenarios. (over 10-15 min)
Heavy use= 3D game or graphically intensive 2D game, streaming videos especially HD
Medium use= basic games web surfing sites with lots of images or some flash content
Light use= sending SMS, basic fooling with settings or other basic functions, streaming music with the screen off
I think we need to get a bit more scientific about testing this overheating issue out. I need help from a large group of people. I need those who think they have overheat issues and those who do not for the info to be useful.
First off... I believe these temps are just the battery, not the CPU. I think the CPU is running relatively cool as the rest of the phone does not heat up, or it seems what heat is felt is coming from the battery only.
This would explain why people claim that the extended battery does not have this issue. As batteries with higher mAh ratings are able to handle the higher power demands with less heat.
We need to do comparison tests using the same apps across tests and the same use times as well. Also no over or under-clocking and using the same CPU governor. (and between everyone participating where possible)
I have Minecraft and Sleepy Jack, they both produce similar temps after 15 minutes of play time. (around 117-120*F) I do not know if it gets any hotter with longer use because I rarely play longer than that at a time. I am at about the same temp after only 10 minutes so maybe that is the highest it gets.
I know for certain that enabling WiFi has a big impact on the temps. My fiance's phone would only get about 95*F, (according to the SetCPU widget) but when LTE is enabled it would get to 115*F. Mine hits 105* on WiFi.
I want to do at least two tests.
Lets use the following steps to test:
-For all testing the test time will be 15 minutes of play time.
-Lets all use Minecraft since there is a free version and I know the app causes the phone to work hard.
-No over or under-clocking
-On Demand governor
Test 1) Airplane mode enabled
Test 2) 3G enabled (not everyone lives in a LTE area, if you do, data from LTE enabled would be useful as well)
Now some optional tests. I did some rudimentary testing and there seemed to be an impact on temps.
Optional 3) Using interactive governor or Lag free governor
Optional 4) Use a different kernel... If you are on stock switch to ziggy's and vice versa. (this may be the most promising test as since switching to ziggy's I have had a few lockups where the old Android logo pops up on the screen and I need to do a battery pull to fix it. This happens to the fiance's device as well)
If you do these tests, please post the results, and what ROM and kernel you are using. I will keep track of the results and update as appropriate.
Lets see if we can find some consistent data and narrow this heat issue down.
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Running Ziggy's kernel I hit 108*F kept playing and shortly after the phone did the odd crash I mentioned.
Nice, had the same idea to do one of these over the weekend - you just beat me to it
I've done alot of research/ testing heat wise, and the pseudo-scientific conclusion that i've come to is that in a room temperature environment something like 75-85F idle & 110-115F netflix is normal for this gen of phones (Rezound, Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S II, etc) - Give or take another 5F if you're using 4G. Seems like some devices are luckier than others & stay slightly cooler, but i'd gauge that they aren't the typical use case. IMO, (along side battery) data is a huge reason we've seen some of the face melting temperatures people have been reporting.
One thing I think would really help this thread is to set an easy to follow format for posting results. For example, here's a few tests I've done:
### Phone Info ###
ROM - Stock
Kernal - Stock
CPU Speed - Default (1.5)
Battery Type - Standard
Case - Generic TPU
## Test 1 ##
Charging - No
Data - 4G (4 bars)
App - Field Runners
Test Duration - 15 min
Start battery temp - 85 F
End battery temp - 112 F
Total Battery Drain - 20%
## Test 2 ##
Charging - No
Data - 4G (4 bars)
App - YouTube
Test Duration - 20 min
Start battery temp - 85 F
End battery temp - 104 F
Total Battery Drain - 16%
## Test 3 ##
Charging - No
Data - 4G (4 bars)
App - Onlive
Test Duration - 30 min
Start battery temp - 85 F
End battery temp - 125 F
Total Battery Drain - 40%
Hope this helps, i'd really like to see people participate - this information will be helpful for pretty much everyone in the Android community with a current gen phone.
Stock rom
Extended battery
Charging - yes
App - shine runner
Duration - 20 min
Start temp - 96F
End temp - 115F
3g, 3bars
This extended battery will get just as hot as the stock, just takes a little longer.
Edit-not quite as hot as the stock, but pretty toasty.
if it's the battery, then isn't the only parameter we need to test is current draw from the battery? no matter what radios/apps are enabled/disabled. It's bottom line is, the more we're drawing off the battery the hotter it's getting? I'd have to bring a pro in here on how Li-ion works in this form factor and why it gets hot, or what corners the battery manufacturer cut to make it possible!
The only time my battery gets hot is when I am in a weak signal area and the phone is searching for the 3G-4G signal. During daily use in a good signal area it never heats up.
My phone (and wife's also) heats up most notably during charging, especially when the battery is around 99% and going 100%. Usually the temp goes to ~ 45C (115F). In some rare cases, it was too hot to touch (dunno the exact temp). But some other times it would stay cool at all time.
Wife's first phone went into bootloop and her current phone is a new replacement. I kind of believe the overheating was the main cause of the bootloop problem.
thatsricci said:
if it's the battery, then isn't the only parameter we need to test is current draw from the battery? no matter what radios/apps are enabled/disabled. It's bottom line is, the more we're drawing off the battery the hotter it's getting? I'd have to bring a pro in here on how Li-ion works in this form factor and why it gets hot, or what corners the battery manufacturer cut to make it possible!
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It's more than just the battery. Also: feel free to post a test - the more data we get from everyone, the better.
One important variable missing: ambient temp.
I was just playing words with friends for ten minutes:
Ambient temp: 67, Screen brightness: 50%,
4g: ON
wifi: OFF
my temp went to 105F, it's NEVER gone to 105F when playing before... and I play it every evening. It was hooked to the USB charger at the time, and when I felt it getting so hot, I looked at battery monitor and my net charge was negative, so it was using more than it was charging off the usb...
maybe something in some of those apps triggers something that causes the temp to rise? a loop? something?
thatsricci said:
I was just playing words with friends for ten minutes:
Ambient temp: 67, Screen brightness: 50%,
4g: ON
wifi: OFF
my temp went to 105F, it's NEVER gone to 105F when playing before... and I play it every evening. It was hooked to the USB charger at the time, and when I felt it getting so hot, I looked at battery monitor and my net charge was negative, so it was using more than it was charging off the usb...
maybe something in some of those apps triggers something that causes the temp to rise? a loop? something?
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I noticed any time I charge with USB and use my phone it gets hot
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One thing I think would really help this thread is to set an easy to follow format for posting results. For example said:
Good layout... and I think you are right about 115-120 degrees is normal for heavy use with apps that really stress the CPU or radio.
thatsricci said:
if it's the battery, then isn't the only parameter we need to test is current draw from the battery? no matter what radios/apps are enabled/disabled. It's bottom line is, the more we're drawing off the battery the hotter it's getting? I'd have to bring a pro in here on how Li-ion works in this form factor and why it gets hot, or what corners the battery manufacturer cut to make it possible!
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A pro huh... good thing I'm here.
Ok I'm not a "pro" as it were, but i know a thing or too.
Its not going to be simply the battery, but I think it is a big culprit, and most of these devices only provide battery temps, not CPU or internal temps, this limits our overall knowledge of what is going on internally. The battery getting hot causes the device to heat up as well so a bad battery that overheats can cause the device to overheat.
All batteries will convert some energy draw into heat. This is caused by the internal resistance of the battery. Li Ion batteries have fairly low internal resistance compared to other types, but battery design an affect power output handling. Pulling more power than the battery can handle or near its limit and you get more heat than normal. The heat to output ratio stops being proportional and becomes exponential. So that means the real kicker is the actual amp draw on the battery. How much power the battery can handle is related to both the capacity of the battery and the manufacturing process/ design of the battery construction. I bet the new devices are straining the battery more than the current design can handle. There are better battery manufacture processes for better power handling, but that increases the cost of the battery.
(BTW battery is a misnomer for these, they are cells, specifically one 3.7/8V Li Ion cell. The difference is that batteries are made up of 2 or more cells. This goes for AAA, AA, C and D cells as well. Car batteries for example are made of six 2V cells, 6V lantern batteries are made of four 1.5V cells and 9V batteries are six 1.5V cells)
This is one reason I want to do a test with airplane mode on. This helps lower the power draw and allows us to get a better overall device temp, this helps us know if there is an issue with the CPU getting excessively hot vs just the battery being stressed to hard.
Kane5581 said:
One important variable missing: ambient temp.
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I assumed most testing would be done at room temps of 68-72 degrees. If anyone tests in temps that are much higher or lower, then that would throw off the measurements.
I switched back to stock kernel, going to check for lockups and issues like I had before.
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nev310 said:
I noticed any time I charge with USB and use my phone it gets hot
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Charging always causes heat. You are forcing power into a small space.
Charging via USB should only get the battery a little warm to the touch. 95* or so at most.
Charging with AC should get it a few degrees higher. I would think over 100* is odd.
as you reach 100% is when the heat should spike to the max temps I mentioned, before that it should just be warmish.
I will check mine to see how it behaves, but all my R/C batteries behave that way.
Replacing the kernel with stock lowered my temps quite a bit. I was around 110-115 degrees after 30 minutes or so. This was with LTE enabled.
Nobody else have anything?
noticed most of my heating issues when 4g was on (even when idling on 4g). Leaving in wifi and 3g keep the stock battery cool...on the extended I never really notice the heat, even on 4g.
I realize that you're trying to keep things as similar as possible, but I had an issue today listening to the broncos game in the NFL app while charging. It got so hot it boot looped. After getting it back up and running I started monitoring battery temps and even with the screen off and just listening to the game, it would get extremely hot. Btw, I have 4G 4 bars. A couple of times I ran to the freezer and put the phone in it for a couple minutes to cool it down as the temps got above 117°F.
From here, I thought it might be the CPU, so I set the maximum setting to 384 in antutu and then let the phone sit there with the screen off just as before listening to the game and still charging. Same thing, phone got extremely hot, 115°F. Although, what I find strange, is I can watch Netflix while charging and even tho it gets warm, it never gets above 115°F and never goes into the boot loop issue. Same exact location, charger, ambient temps, signal, the works. So I'm wondering if an app is just poorly written and causes some sort of excessive use of the radio.
On another note, I had a rezound battery in my thunderbolt and never had any issues what so ever with heat.
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What temperatures are you people expecting to see just out of curiousity? I mean if we run 3d intensive apps, videos, extreme web browsing we're going to see high temps since we are stressing the devices. We do have to remember these are compact devices and they are limited to what type of heatsinks/cooling they can add. From the multiple posts form this thread and others like it, we can see the majority of our devices run at same temps while under load. If it hasn't already been done maybe we should contact HTC and see what they say? Just a thought.
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What temperatures are you people expecting to see just out of curiousity? I mean if we run 3d intensive apps, videos, extreme web browsing we're going to see high temps since we are stressing the devices. We do have to remember these are compact devices and they are limited to what type of heatsinks/cooling they can add. From the multiple posts form this thread and others like it, we can see the majority of our devices run at same temps while under load. If it hasn't already been done maybe we should contact HTC and see what they say? Just a thought.
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I am trying to find the norms and what is too hot.
I am thinking 115 is normal for heavy use. But we need to be sure, if someone says they only hit 100 under similar conditions as someone that hits 120. it may be that 120 is a problem temp and that 100 is normal. It may also be that the person only hitting 100 is just lucky.
tbot said:
I realize that you're trying to keep things as similar as possible, but I had an issue today listening to the broncos game in the NFL app while charging. It got so hot it boot looped. After getting it back up and running I started monitoring battery temps and even with the screen off and just listening to the game, it would get extremely hot. Btw, I have 4G 4 bars. A couple of times I ran to the freezer and put the phone in it for a couple minutes to cool it down as the temps got above 117°F.
From here, I thought it might be the CPU, so I set the maximum setting to 384 in antutu and then let the phone sit there with the screen off just as before listening to the game and still charging. Same thing, phone got extremely hot, 115°F. Although, what I find strange, is I can watch Netflix while charging and even tho it gets warm, it never gets above 115°F and never goes into the boot loop issue. Same exact location, charger, ambient temps, signal, the works. So I'm wondering if an app is just poorly written and causes some sort of excessive use of the radio.
On another note, I had a rezound battery in my thunderbolt and never had any issues what so ever with heat.
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Go play an app that is heavy in 3D, lets see what temps you get. If you go much over 120 it may be an issue.
Running Gun Bros for about 20 minutes gets me up to about 105°F. Right now after the phone had been sitting for 5ish hours doing nothing its at 98°F.
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I think it is Ziggy's kernel I have never got 125f when tethering for 30min or playing GTA for 30 min. I am going to try another kernel.
Hello, guys. I know this post is awfully long, but please, bear with me
I am fairly new to Sammy, as I just got the S2 (I9100, not some other variant... it's the very original) three days ago. I rooted it, flashed CWM, and already tried a few ROMs. I'm sticking to MIUIv4 (WIUI, actually) for the moment, as I loved having MIUI on my previous devices.
There's just one thing that makes me wanna throw rocks at this phone... and that's not the Super AMOLED+ screen that has stains / ghosting effect... it's the CHARGER.
I believe the charger I'm using is original - it was in the package, so... it can't be a copy, lol. It says it can output 700mA at 5V, which is pretty standard... but it seems like it just doesn't do its job!!!
I've had three HTC devices before, and the HTC charger is just a brick that you plug into the socket, and then plug a USB cable in it (just like Motorola's and Apple's recently). It outputs 1A at 5V.
The Motorola ATRIX I previously owned had a charger that was outputting 850mA at 5.1V. Charging that 1900 mAh beast battery would take just a little over 3 hours!
I no longer own the ATRIX (sold it to get the S2, actually), but I did borrow a HTC charger (with a HTC USB cable) to see if I could charge my S2 faster. Nopes. The charger barely gave the S2 0.5 amps... which is normal, since I hear two pins must be connected in order for the Samsung phone to draw maximum power.
My Galaxy S2 is charging painfully slow with this original charger. I installed Battery Monitor Widget and let it log the battery charging overnight - the log file is attached below this post.
At the very first line of that text file, you can see the charging began. I let the phone turned on, with the screen off, to charge overnight. Wi-Fi, Mobile Data, BT, GPS, Auto-sync was off. It was just in auto 2G/3G mode. That hardly matters!
It looks like the phone is drawing 641mA constantly. It doesn't top 700mA, but that's okay - neither did the HTC phones reach more than 900mA, when the charger was able of 1A output.
It took the SGS2 exactly two hours and 50 minutes to fully charge. Given the fact that the charger outputs 700mA, and the battery is 1650mA, I'd say that's right. A 1900mAh battery was completely charged in 3 hours and something, with a 850mA output charger.
Still, that's painfully slow. I had the HTC EVO 3D, which has a 1730mAh battery. Charging that (@1A) would take little over two and a half hours. I could even browse the web via Wi-Fi or do something else on the phone and the battery would still be completely charged in less than three hours (unless I play a game on 3G with max brightness on, of course).
Also, when the battery was at 1% at lunchtime, I plugged in the charger. I continued to send text messages and browse the web via Wi-Fi (screen brightness was on minimum). The battery level did not rise from 1% even after 5 minutes! You can see that in the battery log. Yes, the phone's battery was almost dead in less than three hours.
Oh, also, the first day I got the phone, after I finished rooting and flashing MIUI and everything... I was playing Dark Legends, over Wi-Fi (screen was at lowest, again). Battery got down to 6%, I plug it into the charger. Ten minutes later, battery was down to 2% ! ! ! So, the charger cannot keep up !
I did my homeworks and did a "bit" of Google searching... it turns out the charger is just as it is. But this is just ridiculous.
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I remember seeing something on Twitter several months ago... an article regarding an app that would let you adjust how much power the Galaxy S2 can draw from the charger it's connected to, simply by dragging around a slider. I'm not wrong, I DID see such an article - I just can't find it anymore!
Anyone... any suggestions, please?
Also, please note that I am in Europe, Romania, so I can't just go to a shop and find the most awesome charger that outputs 2A for $5 like you guys can (there, in the US)... It's not really at hand for me, lol.
So, conclusion is the phone can consume more amps during usage than the stock charger can supply.
Either reduce the power usage (lower brightness, disable WiFi/BT) when you're using the phone during charging or get a more powerful charger (although I remember the latest stock ICS kernels don't like charging at a higher voltage than the stock charger supplies, so you'll probably have to install a different kernel which doesn't have this limitation).
Oh, and please stop the non-sense about being in Romania and not having options to buy, the market's full of all kinds of chargers. Get out of the house and search, "lol".
This is not uncommon.
In fact, with my PREVIOUS phone, the SE Mini Pro (the original one), it was actually possible to drain the battery till the phone shut down, even on it's original charger.
With some modified power settings, mostly in CPU voltages, it is quite possible to have the SII charge properly even while in use, but bear in mind, it will take longer to charge if you are using it.
VAXXi said:
So, conclusion is the phone can consume more amps during usage than the stock charger can supply.
Either reduce the power usage (lower brightness, disable WiFi/BT) when you're using the phone during charging or get a more powerful charger (although I remember the latest stock ICS kernels don't like charging at a higher voltage than the stock charger supplies, so you'll probably have to install a different kernel which doesn't have this limitation).
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Playing Dark Legends, via 3G this time (so the power consumption would be higher, right?), screen at FULL BRIGHTNESS, Bluetooth and GPS activated. Battery Monitor Widget tells me the current being drawn is 641mA. Looks like the phone draws 641mA when charging, ~80% of the time.
The only problem seems to be when the battery level is LOW. Then, no matter what you do, the power level just doesn't rise.
With HTC / Motorola, the power draw was maximum when the battery was at its (almost) lowest level, and would decrease as the battery was filling. With the SGS2, it looks like it draws 640mA from 0% to 70%, THEN it begins to slow down.
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Oh, and please stop the non-sense about being in Romania and not having options to buy, the market's full of all kinds of chargers. Get out of the house and search, "lol".
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Oh, but trust me, I have. You know, in our country, even cheap Chinese copies are over-rated. It's hard to find stuff like what they have in the US .
I've seen some sort of a digital charger, so-to-say, which would allow you to set the amperage and voltage that was being outputted. It was able of throwing out anything from .5 to 2 amps, at 3.7 - 5.5V (given your choice). Guess what : friend got it from the States...
You don't see such stuff here, in Romania.
Oh well...
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This is not uncommon.
In fact, with my PREVIOUS phone, the SE Mini Pro (the original one), it was actually possible to drain the battery till the phone shut down, even on it's original charger.
With some modified power settings, mostly in CPU voltages, it is quite possible to have the SII charge properly even while in use, but bear in mind, it will take longer to charge if you are using it.
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On the HTC EVO 3D and Motorola ATRIX, it was yet to be proven whether undervolting the CPU would increase battery life or not. Undervolting as much as 200mV only reduced the ammount of heat that was generated (especially during gaming sessions). Although current = heat... the power consumption didn't seem to change a bit!
I even tried to downclock the CPU to 400 MHz - power draw would still not be sufficient in order for the phone to charge (when the battery level was under 10%). Everything was turned off, light on lowest, CPU pretty low... still going down, lol.
I have also experienced this in the past.... which was rather annoying if I must say however, recently I haven't had this issue, although it still charges quite slowly, it's slightly faster than before. I noticed this difference after I decreased the voltage from the cpu in each step, yes my phone is heavy undervolted thanks to magic config, might want to check that out, but it's still as smooth as ever without a hint of lag props to the hyperdroid team...they are the best in my opinion, I use their rom since the hd2 days recommend their rom to all galaxy s2 users.
Anyway, my point is, I can have my screen in full brightness and still use the phone as is when off charge and it will continue to charge. Also, battery life isn't an issue for me anymore after undervolting, I can live with 15 hours battery life under extreme heavy usage with full screen brightness of 4-5 or more hours of screen on time....and that's with 1650mah battery. I plan to get an official 2000mah battery which will increase it's life more
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shadyr25 said:
I have also experienced this in the past.... which was rather annoying if I must say however, recently I haven't had this issue, although it still charges quite slowly, it's slightly faster than before. I noticed this difference after I decreased the voltage from the cpu in each step, yes my phone is heavy undervolted thanks to magic config, might want to check that out, but it's still as smooth as ever without a hint of lag props to the hyperdroid team...they are the best in my opinion, I use their rom since the hd2 days recommend their rom to all galaxy s2 users.
Anyway, my point is, I can have my screen in full brightness and still use the phone as is when off charge and it will continue to charge. Also, battery life isn't an issue for me anymore after undervolting, I can live with 15 hours battery life under extreme heavy usage with full screen brightness of 4-5 or more hours of screen on time....and that's with 1650mah battery. I plan to get an official 2000mah battery which will increase it's life more
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That's... impressive.
I'm using MIUIv4 (WIUI) wth Siyah v3.2.6.3 kernel. For some reason, if I undervolt even -50mV, the phone freezes :/
Formhault said:
That's... impressive.
I'm using MIUIv4 (WIUI) wth Siyah v3.2.6.3 kernel. For some reason, if I undervolt even -50mV, the phone freezes :/
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That's.... weird. I thought siyah kernal was more undervolt friendly :/ besides, I read somewhere that not every galaxy s2 can handle undervolting whilst some can. Rather, it could be the kernal too, I use the redpill kernal provided from the hyperdroid team, it's not the best in benchmark wise but what the heck... it doesn't stop to lag, it's extremely fast and responsive, great battery life, undervolt support for further improvements... you won't even notice any slowness compared to high benchmark devices. Red pill kernal is well optimised. I use noop scheduler and conservative governor, it's amazing how redpill handles this. Try it some time. Could solve your problem.
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The only problem seems to be when the battery level is LOW. Then, no matter what you do, the power level just doesn't rise.
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Just like your 48x CD burner doesn't write at 48x from start to finish, that's how the charging current is not constant; it depends on the remaining capacity, charging algorithms, etc. You're using a special case and asking too much, the solution has been given already (powerful charger and modified kernel to allow a higher charging current and voltage).
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You don't see such stuff here, in Romania.
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Yes you do. I got a 1A Energizer charger which really gives 1A for less than 10$. The variable supply you're describing can be found in any proper electronics shop, try "Maica Domnului" street
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Just like your 48x CD burner doesn't write at 48x from start to finish, that's how the charging current is not constant; it depends on the remaining capacity, charging algorithms, etc. You're using a special case and asking too much, the solution has been given already (powerful charger and modified kernel to allow a higher charging current and voltage).
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Yeah, I know that. That's exactly what I'm saying. The algorithm is different on the S2, it seems.
On all HTC devices I had, the current draw was at its highest (~900mA) when the battery was near depletion, and as the battery was filling up, the current draw was slowly decreasing. On the S2, it looks like it's the other way around. When the battery is nearly empty (1%), barely 100mA are being drawn. As it fills up, near 10% or so, the current draw remains steady at ~641mA, and decreases only past the 70% point.
Good thing is, the current draw remains steady at 641mA, no matter how much I stress the phone! That's astonishing - the other day, the battery was LEAKING 600mA instead of GETTING 641mA when the simplest tasks were done (no stress, that is), during charging...
Guess the guy who had this phone before me didn't really ever charge up the battery properly He said he had an iPhone charger back at home; I told him "nevermind, keep it".
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That's.... weird. I thought siyah kernal was more undervolt friendly :/ besides, I read somewhere that not every galaxy s2 can handle undervolting whilst some can. Rather, it could be the kernal too, I use the redpill kernal provided from the hyperdroid team, it's not the best in benchmark wise but what the heck... it doesn't stop to lag, it's extremely fast and responsive, great battery life, undervolt support for further improvements... you won't even notice any slowness compared to high benchmark devices. Red pill kernal is well optimised. I use noop scheduler and conservative governor, it's amazing how redpill handles this. Try it some time. Could solve your problem.
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The benchmarks are simply amazing; even with the CPU downclocked to 800 MHz...
I'll look for that kernel, hope it's MIUIv4-compatible. Thank you!
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Yes you do. I got a 1A Energizer charger which really gives 1A for less than 10$. The variable supply you're describing can be found in any proper electronics shop, try "Maica Domnului" street
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Everyone's talking about a specific shop down that street... and I never got to actually go there. Guess I gotta look for it... Was kind of doubting it was much of a big deal.
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Hello, phones already, let's set clearly , very hot when you use it normally while charging (~45C° NOW in summer) then when playing , app report about 50C but it feels like much more... Those sorry of exploding galaxys are worrying me. What do you think?
Constantly running the phone @ high temperatures will probably shorten the life of the battery a bit, how much is hard to say. Does it shorten the life of the CPU or other components ? Maybe. But lets face it many (most ?) people change phones every year or two these days so that's not really an issue. You're more likely to notice the battery thing if you do it often enough.
Me personally, I don't do anything heavily CPU intensive with the phone while it's charging. I mean, how easy is it to do whatever it is you have to do with the phone (play a game or whatever), then throw it on charger when you're done & not using the phone ?
With the poor battery of the SII, I prefer avoiding such situation : playing with kill battery in 3h or less, so unless I'm closer to full charge, I'll play will charging. This to avoid ultra low battery at any time. I'm not concerned by battery dying, I'm concerned by the explosion as said...
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Constantly running the phone @ high temperatures will probably shorten the life of the battery a bit, how much is hard to say. Does it shorten the life of the CPU or other components ? Maybe. But lets face it many (most ?) people change phones every year or two these days so that's not really an issue. You're more likely to notice the battery thing if you do it often enough.
Me personally, I don't do anything heavily CPU intensive with the phone while it's charging. I mean, how easy is it to do whatever it is you have to do with the phone (play a game or whatever), then throw it on charger when you're done & not using the phone ?
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As you said, high temperatures will shorten battery life.
An important aspect is that you shouldn't fully discharge the battery before charging it.
Charging from 50% to 100% will permit you about 1500 recharges.
Charging from 0% to 100% will permit you about 500 recharges.
Hi guys, this is something that keeps me up at night. The recent software update was supposed to make performance of the Moto Z better, and in actual daily usage I find nothing to complain about, but when it comes to benchmarks it's a whole different story, I have the uk version by the way. To be frank, I used to get about 129 000 in antutu, which is pretty low to start with, and now it's down to 126 000, geekbench is lower than you would expect from this phone too, at about 1350 single core and 3810 multicore. So basically I started this thread as a place where we could share our benchmark results and discuss them, because I have a feeling I just got an unlucky unit, because it also gets real hot real fast (up to 60 degrees celcium), and I can't make it last for more that 4 hours of screen on time, and I'm really not a heavy user. I just feel strange about this phone, because I love everything else about it, and it’s good that I do, because resale value on these things is beyond awful, tried to sell it for 500 bucks for months with no success.
Benchmarks mean abso-farking-lutly nothing. If they are keeping you up any night, you have a mental issue. I suggest you see a shrink.
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Benchmarks mean abso-farking-lutly nothing. If they are keeping you up any night, you have a mental issue. I suggest you see a shrink.
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Well, there is no reason to be so toxic my friend, my main concern is that I may be the only one here with such a low score, and since the score got even lower after some time that could mean I may have a defective device, and that would be a real problem to keep me up at night.
I don't think there's a problem with your unit, 4 hours screen on time sounds normal without the battery mod on. That drop in benchmark score isn't very significant unless it continues to drop dramatically. I have the UK model too, and it is underclocked by default to 1.8GHz. You could try the Turbo Z kernel to improve it
Also mine gets really hot fast when using Daydream VR or anything intensive but 60 °C isn't dangerous for the SD820. (You could check battery use in settings incase something is keeping your phone awake.)
Geekbench 4:
Single core 1369
Multi core 3779
Seems benchmarks are pretty similar. I'm on rooted Android N but stock kernel so same as yours.
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Well, there is no reason to be so toxic my friend, my main concern is that I may be the only one here with such a low score, and since the score got even lower after some time that could mean I may have a defective device, and that would be a real problem to keep me up at night.
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The only benchmark that matters is the one between your ears. And according to you, it passed.
in actual daily usage I find nothing to complain about
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All others are a waste of time.
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I don't think there's a problem with your unit, 4 hours screen on time sounds normal without the battery mod on. That drop in benchmark score isn't very significant unless it continues to drop dramatically. I have the UK model too, and it is underclocked by default to 1.8GHz. You could try the Turbo Z kernel to improve it
Also mine gets really hot fast when using Daydream VR or anything intensive but 60 °C isn't dangerous for the SD820. (You could check battery use in settings incase something is keeping your phone awake.)
Geekbench 4:
Single core 1369
Multi core 3779
Seems benchmarks are pretty similar. I'm on rooted Android N but stock kernel so same as yours.
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Thank you for your comforting and friendly reply, in battery settings Android OS, Android system, and phone idle are on top when I'm not using the phone actively, I've had laughable results sometimes, like yesterday I had 30 percent battery left with only about an hour of screen on time, again no gaming involved, but this usually happens when I'm moving around, if I stay at home and nothing happens to the phone it usually won't drain battery like that. I think the reason the phone gets hot easily is obviously because of how thin it is, for example, when I keep it in the pocket it's just as hot as my body tempreture, since it just absorbs heat that easily, but has a hard time getting rid of it.
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Thank you for your comforting and friendly reply, in battery settings Android OS, Android system, and phone idle are on top when I'm not using the phone actively, I've had laughable results sometimes, like yesterday I had 30 percent battery left with only about an hour of screen on time, again no gaming involved, but this usually happens when I'm moving around, if I stay at home and nothing happens to the phone it usually won't drain battery like that. I think the reason the phone gets hot easily is obviously because of how thin it is, for example, when I keep it in the pocket it's just as hot as my body tempreture, since it just absorbs heat that easily, but has a hard time getting rid of it.
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You're welcome. If you click on the graph you can see the awake time too, lately something has been keeping mine awake and draining the battery too. Not sure what it is yet, but if yours is getting really bad screen on time it could be similar. Likely an app running in the background keeping the phone awake which would heat it up more and drain the battery. There are wake lock detection apps that claim to be able to tell you which is causing this.
As you can see it's awake for long periods of time when the screen is off, and it really shouldn't be. Hope this helps :good:
I've been experiencing this for a wile now. In the beginning, when the battery hit 10%, my Le Max 2 would get really slow, basically unusable. Now it's staring around 15%. I've tried multiple ROMs and it persists through all of them. Does anyone share this problem, or know if there's a fix to it?
joaoVi said:
I've been experiencing this for a wile now. In the beginning, when the battery hit 10%, my Le Max 2 would get really slow, basically unusable. Now it's staring around 15%. I've tried multiple ROMs and it persists through all of them. Does anyone share this problem, or know if there's a fix to it?
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What rom do you use?
Rodcoco said:
What rom do you use?
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I'm using Lineage OS 17.1 august 28
Heyyo @joaoVi, this is the expected behaviour as Qualcomm intended it to be. It is NOT recommended to let your battery drain below 10%. Qualcomm has a safety put in place in the kernel that disables the big cores, so that only the little cores are running. This is to try and prevent further battery wear.
The safest ranges for a battery is 40% to 80%. Anything higher or lower will cause extra wear to the battery charge cycles which is why I also never recommend charging a device with a poly-lithium battery overnight, as charging it to 100% and then letting it sit at 100% causes a lot of battery wear.
Linus Tech Tips has a good video on this subject too
It's winter and the 4 year old battery cannot supply enough voltage to the CPU so the big cores turn off. You can verify this behavior by CPU monitoring quick settings tile built in most ROMs
It gets more difficult for a battery to supply higher energy at lower tempreatures (winter!)