Hi
I lately noticed that my S10 (G973F on ASH1) battery drain was noticeably higher when using bluetooth and that the drain continues even if I turn off the bluetooth (no, wifi and bluetooth scanning are not enabled). The only way to return to "normal" drain is to reboot the phone with bluetooth off and to not enable it at all.
I did some durability tests the past days with 2 scenarios:
1. Unplug the phone in the morning charged at 100%, ensure the bluetooth is off, reboot the phone and use it the whole day without touching the bluetooth
2. Unplug the phone in the morning charged at 100%, turn on bluetooth, optionally connect to a device, turn off bluetooth, and use the phone the whole day without touching the bluetooth.
My results are (with same usage, apps, conditions...) :
Scenario 1 : Average 8h SOT / 15h uptime
Scenario 2 : Average 5h30 SOT / 15h uptime
I know this is far from being scientific, that's why I call it just a theory. It's up to you to confirm or deny it ...
I totally believe it. The super interesting part to me is that turning it off doesn't affect the battery drain.
I certainly would love to know the reason why that is. Personally i haven't noticed the same thing (atleast as badly).
There's a lot of variables so I'm going to throw out a few theories/guesses (in order of my best to worst guess)
- it has to do with what kind of device you're connecting to... Probably a device that wakes up a background service of some sort (that doesn't ever sleep properly, so most likely a Samsung system service) is it something like a Samsung gear device or Galaxy buds? Anything Samsung?
- I know you already mentioned device scanning is off, i assume you're referring to the Samsung setting, but there are device scanning settings tucked away in the Google settings.
- some rogue app is glitching in the background, it sees Bluetooth is on, so keeps trying to peak at what's going on and scan for beacons or something like that. Best guess is Facebook. But it could be many others.
All in all, its almost certainly not Bluetooth itself, but rather something that's too active in the background and keeps trying to sneak a look at Bluetooth connections.
Install better battery stats, run the adb commands to set up for non-root. That should tell you what's waking your phone so often.
Nye-uhls said:
I totally believe it. The super interesting part to me is that turning it off doesn't affect the battery drain.
I certainly would love to know the reason why that is. Personally i haven't noticed the same thing (atleast as badly).
There's a lot of variables so I'm going to throw out a few theories/guesses (in order of my best to worst guess)
- it has to do with what kind of device you're connecting to... Probably a device that wakes up a background service of some sort (that doesn't ever sleep properly, so most likely a Samsung system service) is it something like a Samsung gear device or Galaxy buds? Anything Samsung?
- I know you already mentioned device scanning is off, i assume you're referring to the Samsung setting, but there are device scanning settings tucked away in the Google settings.
- some rogue app is glitching in the background, it sees Bluetooth is on, so keeps trying to peak at what's going on and scan for beacons or something like that. Best guess is Facebook. But it could be many others.
All in all, its almost certainly not Bluetooth itself, but rather something that's too active in the background and keeps trying to sneak a look at Bluetooth connections.
Install better battery stats, run the adb commands to set up for non-root. That should tell you what's waking your phone so often.
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Your analysis is pretty logical and I fully agree with it.
I already tried BBS (rooted) and got no convincing results (nearly the same kernel wakelocks, partial wakelocks, etc).
I also sent to samsung a bug report with the dumps and logs needed and should be soon contacted by them for further collaboration if needed.
But while waiting, it will be really a good thing if more users could test the two scenarios I mentioned and post their feedback.
Hey, First thank you for the knowledge. I will try to do that and will give feedback
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Hey, First thank you for the knowledge. I will try to do that and will give feedback
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That would be kind from you
https://www.android-hilfe.de/forum/...e-und-mehr.904568-page-165.html#post-11710349
I posted your idea in a German Android forum. Maybe there are some testers.
audianer said:
https://www.android-hilfe.de/forum/...e-und-mehr.904568-page-165.html#post-11710349
I posted your idea in a German Android forum. Maybe there are some testers.
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Great idea. Thx :good:
Hey,
sorry your theory is not true.
On the screenshots:
"Ohne BT" meens i restarted the phone in the morning and dont use bluetooth.
"Mit BT" meens i used bluetooth for streaming for some minutes.
audianer said:
Hey,
sorry your theory is not true.
On the screenshots:
"Ohne BT" meens i restarted the phone in the morning and dont use bluetooth.
"Mit BT" meens i used bluetooth for streaming for some minutes.
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That's a very well done experimentation ! It's the first case contradicting the theory.
I should have done some similar screenshots before updating to latest ASH6 on which I am unable to reproduce the "bug" ...
But there are very many rely on bluetooth. In the car, smartwatch, etc
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Hi all,
I seem to be having a problem with the Enable Always On Mobile Data setting. From my understanding (and certainly what happened in my previous ROM) is that if this is unchecked when the screen was off/phone not in use the G/3G/H connection was disconnected and you could see this when you turned the phone back on and it took a few seconds for the connection to be made.
Since installing VillainRom 10.3 and the latest Modaco rom this is not happening. Whenever the phone is switched on from standby the connection is still on. I have checked the awake time incase something is stopping the phone from sleeping but it seems fine. I have also been through all my apps and checked sync settings to make sure nothing is keeping the connection active but it shouldnt be.
As I have got this on two different roms I am pretty sure its not an isolated case and others must have experienced the same. Has anyone had this problem and is there a fix?
Thanks,
Michael
cyberkid2002 said:
Hi all,
I seem to be having a problem with the Enable Always On Mobile Data setting. From my understanding (and certainly what happened in my previous ROM) is that if this is unchecked when the screen was off/phone not in use the G/3G/H connection was disconnected and you could see this when you turned the phone back on and it took a few seconds for the connection to be made.
Since installing VillainRom 10.3 and the latest Modaco rom this is not happening. Whenever the phone is switched on from standby the connection is still on. I have checked the awake time incase something is stopping the phone from sleeping but it seems fine. I have also been through all my apps and checked sync settings to make sure nothing is keeping the connection active but it shouldnt be.
As I have got this on two different roms I am pretty sure its not an isolated case and others must have experienced the same. Has anyone had this problem and is there a fix?
Thanks,
Michael
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In my expiriences with Wifi it turns it off when the phone is asleep but the icon still remains for me at least so my guess would be it's the same for 3G etc. And it isn't like it's a huge battery drainer unless you have a weak signal
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Yeah, I think its 15 mins for WiFi but have tried leaving it for 3G and its still connected. Difference in Battery is quite substantial to be honest (weak signal area). ~3 days compared to 1 day
cyberkid2002 said:
Yeah, I think its 15 mins for WiFi but have tried leaving it for 3G and its still connected. Difference in Battery is quite substantial to be honest (weak signal area). ~3 days compared to 1 day
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Hmm that sucks then... Will tell you if I find a solution There's probably an app for it
cheers, Juicedefender does a similar thing but will be another app running, using battery itself. Bit of a pain, especially when I know android cando this by itself. Anyone else having this issue?
I have read a few people having the same issue but no solution. my light on my tilt 2 constantly stays lit orange. It dies overnight too i tried to set the alarm and overslept so that us why im looking for a solution. Thank in advance, again i never found a solution just others with the same issue so i apologize if this has already been solved.
P.s. gps is off and app killer is killing all apps that autostart.
Thanks in advance
MDavisiw said:
I have read a few people having the same issue but no solution. my light on my tilt 2 constantly stays lit orange. It dies overnight too i tried to set the alarm and overslept so that us why im looking for a solution. Thank in advance, again i never found a solution just others with the same issue so i apologize if this has already been solved.
P.s. gps is off and app killer is killing all aps that autostart.
Thanks in advance
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Don't use any 'app killers'... It's probably constantly just killing apps that are relaunching, then killing that app that relaunched, then the app re-relaunches... You get the idea.
Also, FRX06 is no longer supported. Shouldn't have anything to do with the phone not sleeping, but if you want to pursue this further I'd like you to be on the newest build. Thanks.
I was under the assumption that froyo is the most stable build and that the latest doesn't support gps. If i misread will add the latest tonight.
How do i stop it from launching apps i dont want then? i have no need for news to keep popping up like it does, we have the same issue on my gfs android phone all this stuff she doesnt want loading always loads up.
MDavisiw said:
I was under the assumption that froyo is the most stable build and that the latest doesn't support gps. If i misread will add the latest tonight.
How do i stop it from launching apps i dont want then? i have no need for news to keep popping up like it does, we have the same issue on my gfs android phone all this stuff she doesnt want loading always loads up.
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When he says FRX06 is old, that's because FRX07 is out, not because of Gingerbread, start over from scratch with FRX07, disable GPS, verify it sleeps properly (green light), then install apps slowly and make sure it sleeps after you install one, once it stop sleeping remove the last app you installed. Voila.
Thank you for clarifying that. I put FRx07 on just now shut off gps/wifi and the orange light by my ear speaker comtinues to stay lit, no apps are opening aside from "stock" apps those that were included with the os
MDavisiw said:
I have read a few people having the same issue but no solution. my light on my tilt 2 constantly stays lit orange. It dies overnight too i tried to set the alarm and overslept so that us why im looking for a solution. Thank in advance, again i never found a solution just others with the same issue so i apologize if this has already been solved.
P.s. gps is off and app killer is killing all apps that autostart.
Thanks in advance
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well so you wont over sleep..keep the phone plugged in all night then you will hear your alarm...dont worry nothing will happen to your phone. i have done this many times...as for the orange light,i had this happen to me on frx06 but not on frx07..
MDavisiw said:
I have read a few people having the same issue but no solution. my light on my tilt 2 constantly stays lit orange. It dies overnight too i tried to set the alarm and overslept so that us why im looking for a solution. Thank in advance, again i never found a solution just others with the same issue so i apologize if this has already been solved.
P.s. gps is off and app killer is killing all apps that autostart.
Thanks in advance
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Make sure BlueTooth is off in WinMo before launching XDAndroid. That was keeping my phone from sleeping initially.
Lol I learned my lesson that night, i still use winmo until I get this figured out. I love the ability to put this on my phone just hope I can figure out whats causing it. The battery drains to fast to consider using it full time for now though.
Thanks for the suggestion on the bt, It is off when switching over.
BTW I am on FRX 07 now as requested
Thanks in advance for any assistance
MDavisiw said:
Lol I learned my lesson that night, i still use winmo until I get this figured out. I love the ability to put this on my phone just hope I can figure out whats causing it. The battery drains to fast to consider using it full time for now though.
Thanks for the suggestion on the bt, It is off when switching over.
BTW I am on FRX 07 now as requested
Thanks in advance for any assistance
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The only things to my knowledge that kill sleep (now) are:
BT being on in WinMo (put WinMo in airplane mode, soft reset and let WinMo boot back up in airplane mode, then hit HaRET.exe...)
GPS being enabled (disable thru Settings -> Location & Security) - this is an issue even when the GPS icon is not in the notification bar. Just trying GPS and having it enabled will cause sleep problems.
Stupid apps not working correctly. Not sure what we can really do about those long-term, but sometimes apps do not give up wakelocks correctly and prevent the phone from sleeping. I actually got the WeatherBug Pro app for free from the Amazon store one day, and used it for a little while... then realized it was killing sleep on my device and promptly removed it.
If there's anything else killing sleep, let me know - I'm not aware of anything else that could kill sleep assuming you're on FRX07.
Lots of stupid apps. Facebook, anything that does background autosync (like gmail, gcalendar, etc. - I turn off all the autosync options whenever I see them.)
highlandsun said:
Lots of stupid apps. Facebook, anything that does background autosync (like gmail, gcalendar, etc. - I turn off all the autosync options whenever I see them.)
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MDavisiw said:
Lol I learned my lesson that night, i still use winmo until I get this figured out. I love the ability to put this on my phone just hope I can figure out whats causing it. The battery drains to fast to consider using it full time for now though.
Thanks for the suggestion on the bt, It is off when switching over.
BTW I am on FRX 07 now as requested
Thanks in advance for any assistance
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I too had major battery drain issues and it really seems to be down to certain components. I have a RHOD100 running FRX07
In particular, I tried rootfs 20110721 last night with a full battery at about 21:00 and i'd swear it would have been dead by 02:00. So I have gone back to rootfs-20110716-245f68a. I am using this with kernel 20110718_223029-package. My battery was 100% at 08:15 this morning so three hours later, it's now at 80% so I'm very happy with this.
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Ok now im curious if I may have "misrepresented" the issue. So here goes..
The orange light that while in WINMO that indicates the phone is charging. That light is constantly on while I am using android. After having upgraded to the FRX07 I clicked the lock button and the light went green but again stayed lit. I guess the major issue here (to me) is that these lights are not shutting off at all. in winmo if I unplug the phone the orange light goes off, the green light stays lit only temporarily. Is this an issue that is common?
I still notice a faster drain on the battery then one might expect thought I dont know how to quantify it as I dont know how to tell what % the battery is at only have the graphic up in the menu bar.
Regarding the Kernels and all in the above post you have lost me, I dont know what is meant by running something under a different Kernel, are you saying you reverted back to FRX06 and the battery issue is fixed?
MDavisiw said:
Ok now im curious if I may have "misrepresented" the issue. So here goes..
The orange light that while in WINMO that indicates the phone is charging. That light is constantly on while I am using android. After having upgraded to the FRX07 I clicked the lock button and the light went green but again stayed lit. I guess the major issue here (to me) is that these lights are not shutting off at all. in winmo if I unplug the phone the orange light goes off, the green light stays lit only temporarily. Is this an issue that is common?
I still notice a faster drain on the battery then one might expect thought I dont know how to quantify it as I dont know how to tell what % the battery is at only have the graphic up in the menu bar.
Regarding the Kernels and all in the above post you have lost me, I dont know what is meant by running something under a different Kernel, are you saying you reverted back to FRX06 and the battery issue is fixed?
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I don't see any issue here at all, whatsoever. Simply a misunderstanding on your part, probably because you haven't taken the time to read and research how this port works.
Orange = wake
Green = sleep
The LED should always be on while in Android, representing the above conditions. It's really that simple. When the phone is plugged in / charging in Android, it cannot sleep - so the orange LED will be on, representing the device is awake.
I'm not talking about when the phone is plugged in, that is expected as you say, but when I have it unplugged and am using it the light continues to stay on.
just like the other thread of mine you commented in (video playback) for what you feel is not appropriately educating myself before asking the question I did read up on this issue before asking same result no concrete answer. If I overlooked it due to either to broad of a search or to narrow then I apologize. I am not trying to offend anyone here but I feel like your being a bit harsh towards me for not knowing all the answers to the questions i am asking.
I apologize again as I may be misreading you or this is just how you come off but your posts have had somewhat of a negative tone at least to me when I read them ever since I asked a question in the rhobuntu thread.
MDavisiw said:
I'm not talking about when the phone is plugged in, that is expected as you say, but when I have it unplugged and am using it the light continues to stay on.
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The light is always on in Android. Green light always on means it's sleeping properly. Don't compare it to WM, it is not programmed to operate the same way at the present time.
MDavisiw said:
I'm not talking about when the phone is plugged in, that is expected as you say, but when I have it unplugged and am using it the light continues to stay on.
just like the other thread of mine you commented in (video playback) for what you feel is not appropriately educating myself before asking the question I did read up on this issue before asking same result no concrete answer. If I overlooked it due to either to broad of a search or to narrow then I apologize. I am not trying to offend anyone here but I feel like your being a bit harsh towards me for not knowing all the answers to the questions i am asking.
I apologize again as I may be misreading you or this is just how you come off but your posts have had somewhat of a negative tone at least to me when I read them ever since I asked a question in the rhobuntu thread.
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The only reason I'm being harsh is you're not getting something very simple.
LED is always on in Android. Always always always.
Orange = wake
Green = sleep
The LED will never be off in Android, and these are the only things that the LED currently represents in Android - sleep state. Nothing more, nothing less. As was stated above, don't compare the LED to WinMo - it's not even close to how that is programmed at this stage of the game.
If the light stay's orange, then that's Bad and means that the phone is not sleeping and so is likely to be the cause of the battery drain.
Can I suggest that you download "Battery Indicator" from the Market. It gives you a number in the top bar so easy to read the battery level at any time.
On your microSD Card, you will see three files - rootfs.img and the kernel files zImage and module.... try downloading and replacing these with updated versions. Rename the rootfs and zImage files but do NOT rename the module file. You can see the links in my earlier post.
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championc said:
If the light stay's orange, then that's Bad and means that the phone is not sleeping and so is likely to be the cause of the battery drain.
Can I suggest that you download "Battery Indicator" from the Market. It gives you a number in the top bar so easy to read the battery level at any time.
On your microSD Card, you will see three files - rootfs.img and the kernel files zImage and module.... try downloading and replacing these with updated versions. Rename the rootfs and zImage files but do NOT rename the module file. You can see the links in my earlier post.
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Sage advice.
See Incremental Updates if you want more info on updating individual pieces within the project.
MDavisiw said:
I have read a few people having the same issue but no solution. my light on my tilt 2 constantly stays lit orange.
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Does your wifi work? I have the same problem and it seems it appeared along with a wifi problem on my frx7.
With a fresh install everything worked fine. after a couple of days (without modifying system) wifi was broken (gives an error if I try to turn it on) and the phone didn't sleep.
I make it short:
Yeah another wifi/ battery thread. But the only one with an actual solution for pi poor battery life after 21 update. Some people reported it helped also with the sod.
Wifi sucks battery dead.
Some people let all sorts of juice sucking bat-control apps running to find out that stock app reading is not lying: The bloody wifi never turns off even set to do so in the settings and just kills the battery of the device.
If this is your workaround you owe me a thanks . If you are an Asus employee testing poor battery issue give me credits in the fixing OTA by repairing the 'never' settings:
Go to
settings, w-lan,advanced (click on the three dots in the upper right corner, there it is), keep_wifi_on_during_sleep:
Instead of setting it to 'never', set it to 'only when plugged in'.
Now put your machine in sleep, wake it after 30min or even much less and BOOOOOOM! here we go:
You will see in the battery settings, that your wifi just has stopped pausing. Depending on how long ago the battery cycle has started you will see two shorter bricks instead of a long one as before. While waking your machine concentrate on the battery icon and you will notice the wifi-icon popping up just a second after you have woken the screen.
Of course this works also with shorter breaks but I'm not sure what is the shortest interval. Longer sleep period opens the gap in between two wifi-sessions wider. So this makes the working proof easier visible for the eye.
Sort of really a shame that Asus, Google and Nvidia have hybrid, wrongly programmed and even forgotten settings in their setup. (see my thread about the multitasking of the HTC1X http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1599214 Maybe helps your multitasking issue.
But as we know, nobody is perfect .... except for xda!!
And then, many report, they don't have this problem at all. Very strange that not everybody is affected by this blind setting.
If this solution doesn't help your device,I am sorry for you. Maybe you have to stick to the bat-control app and learn how to read it, or RMA your device.
Did the job for me.
So I am ready for summer to join in, got enough juice for the IPS+ screen to stun the sun the whole day lun . Rock'n Roll
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JellyBeans workaround as well.
Edit 120616:
Thank you Asus that the .28 firmware makes my workaround obsolet. Now get rid of this arm5 coding and let the bugger run !!
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Title changed from 'Asus you owe me a blowjob' to something less attractive for trolls.
Should be an obvious solution for everyone. But took me a hell of time to use the next best (second) obvious setting for my w-lan and get the battery saving.
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Please don't abuse my thread to flame, blame or mob your boss, retailer, dog or whomever. Only confirmation or non-confirmations welcome. If you find another or better or additional solution in the future or the past please feel free to post it. I did not have the time yet to check for the actual amount of powersafe but regarding my normal readings we are gaining the whole lost lot back and don't need to throttle down or ruin our eyes. I reckon the bat is gonna be better because now some of the ASUS optimisation hits some ground.
If you want me to fled off, I have stolen your ideas or you are an ASUS employee with no job-offer, don't PM me.
Thanks
I have been using this setting for a while and while I do get better battery life using the "when plugged in" setting than the newer "disconnect during sleep" setting, in general battery life is still worse in .21 than in previous builds and for me WiFi alone still accounts for more than 60% of my average battery usage according to the battery settings menu. For all of my other Android devices the screen is the largest single user of battery.
It does not happen to everyone. I have it on "never" and as soon as i click the power button, wifi turns off... if i wake the tablet right away (2 or 3 seconds later), i see the wifi reappearing and reconecting. So, for me, the wifi turns off instantly.
In the battery graph my wifi line is nonexistant whenever the tablet is sleeping.
I believe the wifi options are implemented correctly (sort of). But for some reason, it doesnt seem to work for some users.
Another way to save battery is to increase the wifi scanning interval... but that is for when you are using wifi.
I guess, for those experiencing the battery drain, it may be a good temporary workaround to use the solution mentioned by the OP.
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It does not happen to everyone. I have it on "never" and as soon as i click the power button, wifi turns off... if i wake the tablet right away (2 or 3 seconds later), i see the wifi reappearing and reconecting. So, for me, the wifi turns off instantly.
In the battery graph my wifi line is nonexistant whenever the tablet is sleeping.
I believe the wifi options are implemented correctly (sort of). But for some reason, it doesnt seem to work for some users.
Another way to save battery is to increase the wifi scanning interval... but that is for when you are using wifi.
I guess, for those experiencing the battery drain, it may be a good temporary workaround to use the solution mentioned by the OP.
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another way to MAKE SURE you save battery is turn the darn thing off and shutdown and then when you need it's ready to go. I been doing this more recently and it defeats the purpose of tablet, but hey, when i need to use it, after the boot up its on. not trying to be funny.
Let's not get carried away. While a good suggestion it's far from a real solution for all the people that are encountering this issue. It's kind of like suggesting just turning off your tablet when your not using it to prevent battery drain.
prettyboy85712 said:
Let's not get carried away. While a good suggestion it's far from a real solution for all the people that are encountering this issue. It's kind of like suggesting just turning of your tablet when your not using it to prevent battery drain.
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you got me laughing. that was a good one. Op meant well but this tip has been known for a long time.
im still laughing.
demandarin said:
you got me laughing. that was a good one. Op meant well but this tip has been known for a long time.
im still laughing.
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What's even funnier is that the OP is serious about his discovery. Guy probably thinks ASUS owes him something.
Nonetheless, thanks for the redundant tip OP.
Auto flight mode
I always install an auto flight mode program that will turn off the wifi when the screen turns off since most widgets prevents the system from turning it off and going into deep sleep.
almightywhacko said:
I have been using this setting for a while and while I do get better battery life using the "when plugged in" setting than the newer "disconnect during sleep" setting, in general battery life is still worse in .21 than in previous builds and for me WiFi alone still accounts for more than 60% of my average battery usage according to the battery settings menu. For all of my other Android devices the screen is the largest single user of battery.
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Thanks for confirming,
eddymonti said:
It does not happen to everyone. I have it on "never" and as soon as i click the power button, wifi turns off... if i wake the tablet right away (2 or 3 seconds later), i see the wifi reappearing and reconecting. So, for me, the wifi turns off instantly.
In the battery graph my wifi line is nonexistant whenever the tablet is sleeping.
I believe the wifi options are implemented correctly (sort of). But for some reason, it doesnt seem to work for some users.
Another way to save battery is to increase the wifi scanning interval... but that is for when you are using wifi.
I guess, for those experiencing the battery drain, it may be a good temporary workaround to use the solution mentioned by the OP.
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Nice you confirm as well . Unfortunately solutions tend to be temporary, sighh.
flipper2006 said:
another way to MAKE SURE you save battery is turn the darn thing off and shutdown and then when you need it's ready to go. I been doing this more recently and it defeats the purpose of tablet, but hey, when i need to use it, after the boot up its on. not trying to be funny.
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Your way takes far too much time for me to act spontaneous. With my changed settings it's doing it automatically again, just as was intended the 'never' setting. Unless you charge the tablet by cord, the wifi turns off while you put the tablet asleep. I say settings are messed up.
prettyboy85712 said:
Let's not get carried away. While a good suggestion it's far from a real solution for all the people that are encountering this issue. It's kind of like suggesting just turning off your tablet when your not using it to prevent battery drain.
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Don't think you got my point, surely I am not getting yours. you quote your preposter who obviously disagrees with you.
But we both think it sucks, thanks.
demandarin said:
you got me laughing. that was a good one. Op meant well but this tip has been known for a long time.
im still laughing.
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Glad you are having fun and proud you are tolling my thread as well vely sholt time
ungraph said:
What's even funnier is that the OP is serious about his discovery. Guy probably thinks ASUS owes him something.
Nonetheless, thanks for the redundant tip OP.
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You are welcome. You bet I am and I do and please show me the redundance, maybe demandarin can help you while I get a little nap now.
XXRay said:
I always install an auto flight mode program that will turn off the wifi when the screen turns off since most widgets prevents the system from turning it off and going into deep sleep.
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Yeah I seen you mentioning this, but I get rid of bloatware so why would I fill up with supposed stock apps. As I said, worked best for me
Thanks guys for the the exchange, keep on rowing fellas ..
ill be the first one to Thank the OP as no one has. At least he is trying to help and find a solution. Even if it was something already known for the longest time. Sorry if the humor wasn't funny to you. Maybe he didn't know people already knew about this. which is totally fair.
to the OP, have you noticed that when you put wifi to stay on only when plugged in, when in sleep, that it takes a little while for wifi to come back online? meaning if you use the setting you said, then put the prime to sleep unplugged, then wake it back up, wifi doesn't connect back immediately. it takes a few seconds to come back online. that's the only thing I personally don't like about it.
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ill be the first one to Thank the OP as no one has. At least he is trying to help and find a solution. Even if it was something already known for the longest time. Sorry if the humor wasn't funny to you. Maybe he didn't know people already knew about this. which is totally fair.
to the OP, have you noticed that when you put wifi to stay on only when plugged in, when in sleep, that it takes a little while for wifi to come back online? meaning if you use the setting you said, then put the prime to sleep unplugged, then wake it back up, wifi doesn't connect back immediately. it takes a few seconds to come back online. that's the only thing I personally don't like about it.
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yeah but personally this means to me it's working correctly. For the wifi to come back on instantly it would have to keep a connection and just not transfer data, when in deep sleep it completely turns off the wifi radio. When you wake it back up the radio turns back on, and it needs to connect to the AP all over again. This means the wifi was in a deep sleep (actually turned off the tab is in deep sleep) and it is working correctly.
I really wonder why every thread in this forum sooner or later becomes a trolling/flaming thread....
So guys, as usual (*sigh*) please stay on topic.
Trolling and flaming won't be tolerated but will be rewarded by other gifts like infractions and bans.
@OP: You might think about stoping posting in red: It usually implies a high rate of aggressivity towards other members.
Even if this might not be actually true in your case, other members still might missunderstand you.
On topic: This "fix" is really known since like, dunno, Froyo times? At least this setting is there already for ages.
Apart from that it should be obvious that turning off the Wifi drains less power.
However, you had good intentions so don't destroy them by flaming other members.
If you feel attacked by any post, just report it (obviously this goes for all members)
Thanks for clearing up, Diamondback,
What has been known since Froyo x.x is still worth mentioning. Many user have just started their android career because nowadays the hardware and the software are worth it. And once in a while talking about an old known tip is worthwhile especially since nobody else did.
@ demandarin ;-)
Edit on topic (referring to Diamondback):
This was no flame.
Asus shoot themselves in the foot, some people in my thread the same!
Obviously both the feet and so I call trolls by name,
themselves they should blame.
Right? Obviously not, which is a shame.
My only wrong the color of which I was ignorant,
shame on me!
I will change the teasing thread title
from Asus gets busted in Asus will get the game
I've been using this option since day 1. The problem is not that the wifi doesn't sleep. It's more so that it sucks way too much power when it is on.
I have an iPad2 3g as well which I received as a birthday gift so I kept it and with wifi and 3g always on, I still get 5-7 days of use.
On the Prime its dead under 2 days if always on and 3-4 days if off when asleep.
So it's most likely an optimization issue or driver issue.
Maybe the transmit power should go to low when asleep rather than staying strong.
Who knows. Regardless this can be fixed by Asus if they really look into it.
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Elisha said:
I've been using this option since day 1. The problem is not that the wifi doesn't sleep. It's more so that it sucks way too much power when it is on.
I have an iPad2 3g as well which I received as a birthday gift so I kept it and with wifi and 3g always on, I still get 5-7 days of use.
On the Prime its dead under 2 days if always on and 3-4 days if off when asleep.
So it's most likely an optimization issue or driver issue.
Maybe the transmit power should go to low when asleep rather than staying strong.
Who knows. Regardless this can be fixed by Asus if they really look into it.
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Actually the iPad has it's SW architecture on the plus side. I think the high battery drain on the TFP (and/or Android in general) is also strongly linked to the number of apps synching in background.
Maybe it can be fixed with drivers. Lowering transmit power sounds good. Could be that Asus optimized to much for the folks complaining about wifi performance....
The setting to turn off wifi while the tablet sleeps makes no sense for my use case. I mean for a wifi only device, it makes not much sense to turn it's connection to the outside off. How will I then receive notifications on gtalk, mail and so on? If I would like to safe power that way, I rather turn it completely off.
For a phone with 3g / edge data connection it might make sense. This applies for the 3g iPad as well.
I agree, it got a bit worse with .21 but for me battery life is still awesome.
Thanks anyway for bringing it to the mind of new users. Although I wouldn't call this a fix but a workaround.
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Elisha said:
I've been using this option since day 1. The problem is not that the wifi doesn't sleep. It's more so that it sucks way too much power when it is on.
I have an iPad2 3g as well which I received as a birthday gift so I kept it and with wifi and 3g always on, I still get 5-7 days of use.
On the Prime its dead under 2 days if always on and 3-4 days if off when asleep.
So it's most likely an optimization issue or driver issue.
Maybe the transmit power should go to low when asleep rather than staying strong.
Who knows. Regardless this can be fixed by Asus if they really look into it.
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Yes, I agree about the drain but isn't it probably because of the stylish casing! So nothing we can change there, but Asus could clock it down while asleep as you suggest.
tobi01001 said:
Actually the iPad has it's SW architecture on the plus side. I think the high battery drain on the TFP (and/or .....
I agree, it got a bit worse with .21 but for me battery life is still awesome.
Thanks anyway for bringing it to the mind of new users. Although I wouldn't call this a fix but a workaround.
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You are right I have already changed the op from fix to workaround.
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Actually the iPad has it's SW architecture on the plus side. I think the high battery drain on the TFP (and/or Android in general) is also strongly linked to the number of apps synching in background.
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My iPad2 goes ding ding ding all night. Lots of apps syncing. 3 email accounts. CNN app, and multiple other apps.
But I think iOS uses a very low power state for background sync while in sleep compared to Android.
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Solved my problem.
thank you
Not sure if it's relevant because this was posted for the GS2 but it could also help with wifi drain on the prime.
from this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25876666&postcount=3
"FAQ
Q: Wakelocks "wlan_rx_wake" wake up my device constantly what I can do about it?
A: The problem is neither Android nor the kernel, but the router and the (Windows7) network. In the network properties, uncheck "IPv6", disable the service "IP Helper", "Shell Hardware Detection" and "Windows Media Player Network Sharing Service", which provide ongoing Traffic. Then they scored again 98% of deep sleep."
And how you disable ipv6 on your phone/tablet is with a script but the value in the file gets recreated everytime you turn wifi on and off. So if you disable ipv6 then turn wifi off, then back on, ipv6 will be enabled again. I got around this by a tasker profile that will run every time my tablet connects to a wifi network. So it disables ipv6 right away again. You could do this in an init.d script(or in sysctl) as well but then you have the issue of it resetting itself if you turn wifi off/on
If you have tasker create a new profile for when wifi is connected, then run a shell script task, and check run as root. This is the command echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/wlan0/disable_ipv6
to enable it just replace the 1 with a 0. You can also run the command in a terminal window if you just want to test it. I did it for my phone, and I just set it for my prime so I'll see if it drains less battery with it off..
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Yes, I agree about the drain but isn't it probably because of the stylish casing! So nothing we can change there, but Asus could clock it down while asleep as you suggest.
You are right I have already changed the op from fix to workaround.
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I would just like to say thanks and let you know that I had SOD problems on my prime (as bad as up to once every day in frequency) for a very long time since .21 came out, after trying your work around (several weeks ago) ever since I have not had a single SOD sleep of death issue whatsoever.
I always suspected it was dock recharging causing the SOD fault but maybe it was a bum wifi stack or something, so thank you very much my tab is much more stable because the suggestion you've shared with me.
Unfortunately it does not help any flickering or GPU bugs I tend to get on occasion. I truly hate .21 it is so god awful for GPU, SOD and storage I/O.
I should just man up and downgrade but meh, sif i have the time do it
But yeah, thanks heaps, your workaround is an awesome suggestion.
Hi - Let me start of by saying I'm new to smartphones. The Galaxy S4 is my first one. Also, if I'm not posting in the right place, just let me know! Anyhow, for a while now, I've been having a problem with the "Android System" battery usage. It will be fine for a while, but then all of a sudden, it will spike up to really high levels that I know aren't right. For instance, after 12 hours after charging, with the android system around 3% or so, all of a sudden it will jump up to the 40s, 50s or even higher percentages. I would say that these spikes happen on average every 12 hours, but can be more or less frequent, though never more than a day. I've done a lot of searching around online about this, and it seems to be a fairly common problem. However, I don't really see any real solutions other than one that involves something called gsiff_daemon. I don't think that this is the cause of my problem though because when I click on "show CPU usage", it never shows up as an active process. I asked a friend of mine who is pretty knowledgeable about Android phones, and he suggested turning off the wifi for a while and see if it happens. Well I turned off my wifi and for 6 straight days the Android System never spiked. Within a few hours after I turned it back on, it spiked. (By the way, I also tried this with GPS, but it jumped high with the GPS off too.) My friend then suggested that maybe it's happening because it's constantly scanning for a wifi signal, so he said try unchecking "network notification" in the advanced menu of the wifi section. However, it appears that this option is not on Verizon S4 phones, even though it is on other provider's S4s! So at this point, we're at a loss. I want to add that I I think most of this excessive android system usage is not a true battery drain because it's impossible for it to go up so fast (within minutes) if you've already used 50% of your battery, for example. However, I do think there is a slight increase in the battery usage when this happens because it seems that way according to the info coming from the GSAM Battery Monitor that I have installed (but I don't know if that's always reliable either). I also have Better Battery Stats, and I can provide any wavelock info or anything else that might be helpful. I think I may just have to do a factory rest, but any help would be great!!
I was about to suggest a factory reset but it seems you're already considering that option... how strong is the connection to your router? If you aren't getting a good signal that could be a cause. Try to increase the signal strength of your antennas, if possible.
Have you taken the new OTA update? It's possible the new radio in the update may resolve your issue.
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I was about to suggest a factory reset but it seems you're already considering that option... how strong is the connection to your router? If you aren't getting a good signal that could be a cause. Try to increase the signal strength of your antennas, if possible.
Have you taken the new OTA update? It's possible the new radio in the update may resolve your issue.
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As it turns on, I actually got the update message about the new software this morning and installed it this afternoon. So far so good. We'll see if any spikes still occur. I thought this was the Android 4.3 update at first, but then realized that it was just a Verizon thing.
I do have a weak wifi connection at my apartment as I'm using some open free wifi in the area. But actually maybe there's something there about that that could be causing all this. This wifi connection is really weird where sometimes even though it says it's connected with a decent enough signal, the data connection is just a trickle and essentially dead and then I have to turn it off and use the regular mobile data.
Well it lasted 24 hours after the software update, but yet again, I got another spike in Android System. Maybe I'll call Verizon before I do a factory reset to see if they can be of any assistance, but I'm pretty sure they won't be, and it'll end being a waste of time and energy. However, they should know that this is happening frequently. There are probably a lot more people with this problem, but they don't even look at their battery meter to see. There's got to be a solution to this. I'm afraid though that even if I do a factory reset, it will happen again.
I just want to add that the spike happened with the wifi turned off. In fact, it often seems to spike (as it did today) as I'm driving home from work with the wifi off.
Is the "WiFi on During sleeping" Checked? Also have you tried another router? 2.4ghz or 5ghz?
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Is the "WiFi on During sleeping" Checked? Also have you tried another router? 2.4ghz or 5ghz?
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I have it checked that the wifi is never on during sleep. It seemed to me to make sense to conserve the battery. Do you think it should always be on? I don't know anything about routers to be honest.
Check this
try this out...
go to settings-> connections-> wifi -> advanced (left select button) -> uncheck- " scanning always available" .
it has to work...
:victory:
donnys18 said:
try this out...
go to settings-> connections-> wifi -> advanced (left select button) -> uncheck- " scanning always available" .
it has to work...
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There is no "scanning always available" option on my phone. Maybe this is another thing that Verizon changes from other carries with the S4.
Anyhow, I discovered something a couple days ago. This may be a new "phenomenon" (lol), but now whenever I have my wifi on and I turn it off, Android System surges. When I turn it back it back on, it stops. But like clockwork, once I turn it off, it spikes once again. lol This is crazy. I'm just going to do a factory reset. I went to a Verizon store yesterday to have them look at it, and the girl there said they've never seen anything like this and that I should do a factory reset. If that doesn't work, then they'll give me a new phone. So a least I know that there is light at the end of the tunnel! lol I told her though that all you have to do is google "android system battery drain", and a whole bunch of stuff will pop up.
First off, I'm rooted and have already patched my Omate TrueSmart Developer Edition with Lokifish Marz's security patch.
Device: 1900 1/8 TrueSmart Dev Edition
ROM/Firmware version: Latest
Changes made to stock firmware (if any): A few Xposed mods
Issue: See below, freeze, drain, screen not functioning.
Steps Taken: Restart, antivirus check
One day I turned my TrueSmart on (while off my wrist), went back about 15 minutes later to it and the screen wouldn't turn on. I though "Ahh, that's strange. I thought I turned this on." I pressed the power button multiple times to try to turn it on. It was already on, but the display would not turn on. The battery was charged already and at about 85%. I held the power button and felt the haptic feedback - no screen on.
Earlier that week, I'd noticed that the TrueSmart's battery was draining a bit faster than usual on WiFi alone, no SIM or GPS on. When the screen wouldn't work, I held down the power button for about 10-16 seconds (some Android Devices will restart, but not all, so I gave that a shot). - Nothing. I then left it alone for a day (didn't feel like playing with it after a long and busy work day). I tried to turn on the screen - nothing. I still got haptic feedback so I knew it was on. "Crap - now I have to void the warranty by doing a battery pull." Removed the screws, found the crappy water seal, did a battery pull, and turned the device back on. Screen worked - phew. The past two days it had been draining rather fast and the watch was overheating even though I kept it in about room temperature conditions.
I thought something was up so I ran avast! Anti-virus (I'm not playing the Linux OS' don't need antivirus software game - so let's not go there.) and the definitions/database took over two minutes to update (usually just 15 seconds) on a strong WiFi connection - strange. I ran the scan - nothing showed up but the scan mysteriously kept going away and I had to restart the scan a few times. Finally it worked even though I had to turn my WiFi on the watch off.
My question is - am I being completely paranoid or has my watch been hacked? Fast battery drain, connection issues, screen not responding, overheating - those are signs of spying and wiretapping, am I wrong? For the time being I removed the battery so that way if I am being spied on or hacked, the watch can't be powered on.
I've had the watch for only a few weeks, never installed any strange apps - all legit stuff. Am I crazy :silly: or is this something to be worried about?
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First off, I'm rooted and have already patched my Omate TrueSmart Developer Edition with Lokifish Marz's security patch.
One day I turned my TrueSmart on (while off my wrist), went back about 15 minutes later to it and the screen wouldn't turn on. I though "Ahh, that's strange. I thought I turned this on." I pressed the power button multiple times to try to turn it on. It was already on, but the display would not turn on. The battery was charged already and at about 85%. I held the power button and felt the haptic feedback - no screen on.
Earlier that week, I'd noticed that the TrueSmart's battery was draining a bit faster than usual on WiFi alone, no SIM or GPS on. When the screen wouldn't work, I held down the power button for about 10-16 seconds (some Android Devices will restart, but not all, so I gave that a shot). - Nothing. I then left it alone for a day (didn't feel like playing with it after a long and busy work day). I tried to turn on the screen - nothing. I still got haptic feedback so I knew it was on. "Crap - now I have to void the warranty by doing a battery pull." Removed the screws, found the crappy water seal, did a battery pull, and turned the device back on. Screen worked - phew. The past two days it had been draining rather fast and the watch was overheating even though I kept it in about room temperature conditions.
I thought something was up so I ran avast! Anti-virus (I'm not playing the Linux OS' don't need antivirus software game - so let's not go there.) and the definitions/database took over two minutes to update (usually just 15 seconds) on a strong WiFi connection - strange. I ran the scan - nothing showed up but the scan mysteriously kept going away and I had to restart the scan a few times. Finally it worked even though I had to turn my WiFi on the watch off.
My question is - am I being completely paranoid or has my watch been hacked? Fast battery drain, connection issues, screen not responding, overheating - those are signs of spying and wiretapping, am I wrong? For the time being I removed the battery so that way if I am being spied on or hacked, the watch can't be powered on.
I've had the watch for only a few weeks, never installed any strange apps - all legit stuff. Am I crazy :silly: or is this something to be worried about?
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As long as the apps that you have installed are legit, you should be fine.
I guess my only concern would be...how long did you use the device before installing Loki's patch? Did you connect to any network prior? It's your BT on? Is it set correctly?
As far as the overheating and other issues...I had the same. When I went to the latest Operative 20140318v2, most of the issues fixed themselves. Now, the overheating happens only if I am on a call for more than 10min.
Battery issues have become almost not existent when I patched up. However, I did find that of you upgrade to SL PRO...the juice seems to run out quicker....
I would install a good battery app that monitors ALL processes and hardware using power. I was able to solve a few issues this way.
But, overall, I really don't think you're being watched.
Good luck....
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Well I already know you're crazy but...
Even with Ensec or Operative the firmware is still unstable. I randomly get greatly increased battery drain yet even when connected to WiFi with full packet logging nothing stands out as odd. The screen not waking up happens from time to time as well as soft locks are being caused by some apps. I suggest you install a system monitor app and see if a particular app is to blame. On one TS, G+ randomly sits there and updates the feed for hours without ever actually updating. One another, it's weather, then on yet another, no issues at all yet all three are on the same firmware and same patch version and option.
The probability that your TS is hacked is fairly low and I suggest looking at the more likely causes first.
Perfectly normal behavior of Android device
BTW - force (hard) restart on many Android device is vol up + power.
Vol down + power will take screen shot.
Of course, there's many Android devices so maybe that combo also works...
TS is half finished device and we are all lucky we have Loki here...
If we were depending on Omate that wouldn't be good...
I'm still waiting my October 2100 1/8 release and I'm quite sure I won't even open it...
I'll sell that and develop for something else...(don't like when someone treat me like idiot)
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funky0308 said:
I'll sell that and develop for something else...(don't like when someone treat me like idiot)
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Hopefully another Android based smartwatch. Idea man has ideas.
Lokifish Marz said:
Hopefully another Android based smartwatch. Idea man has ideas.
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Absolutely another smartwatch...
I was really patient with Omate but this is too much...
If I have to wait almost eight months for Xperia Z2 I would f***ed them off and that's device that will work fantastic from the box.
But to wait something eight months to have 30% finished device (in a hardware and software way) - naaah...I'm (probably) out...
That's too bad, I really liked that idea and specifications but, if anyone wants to be honest - it just don't worth all that "hype"...
To completely relay on XDA devs to fix tethering and paring, to patch their incapacities and mistakes...to found their company and then wait for them while they are selling watch (newer and better) for a months...
Way tooooo much for me...
Sorry guys for spamming thread
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@funky0308 - Totally hear you. Maybe the Neptune Pine (quite a bit larger but still) may be better when it's finally released. The TrueSmart is unstable in some ways.
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@funky0308 - Totally hear you. Maybe the Neptune Pine (quite a bit larger but still) may be better when it's finally released. The TrueSmart is unstable in some ways.
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Lokifish Marz said:
Well I already know you're crazy but...
Even with Ensec or Operative the firmware is still unstable...
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Haha, we all are a bit crazy. Could make sense.
@mghtymse007 - I used it for a few days before the patch but I should do a factory reset and try to re-patch just to be extra safe.