Hello Devs and Guys
I have been rooting and flashing ROMS from last few years most probably from my first device HTC Desire S to Samsung, Mi, Moto, then OnePlus(op1, op2, op3,) now shifted to Poco F1.
I have been tried and wasted few hours a month to flash, finding ROMS and reading mobile tech blogs...
I really appreciate the devs working and supporting for our nightmare mobiles.
But now I am thinking other than blocking ADS and debloating, (for deBloat root not required even), for what purpose we need to root and unlock? (After the device is unlocked, it becomes less secure and more vulnerable and Some features which require high security level (e.g., banking apps, Find device, added-value services, etc.) will no longer be available. and Magisk hide feature is not up to the mark.
Let me know your opinion about unlock and rooting
thank you
frankly its your personal choice~
who wana unlock and root will always go ahead irespective of security risks!
and who wana stay hassle free of the world beyond unlocked bootloader will stick to stockrom
regarding security apps I use my chrome browser for any online payment, its okay for me if banking app doesn't run! i am not gona exchange my freedom over couple of sensitive apps!
I personally hate MIUI apps and the unnecessary notifications that they keep sending. I know I can turn it off but then again the deal breaker for me in case MIUI is the lockscreen notification. Once you unlock the phone and see one notification, it won,t show up again in the lockscreen. The list goes on. I won't comment on rooting cause that's just an add on advantage based on perspective. So yeah, if you can live with miui and all its "features" Then there's no point unlocking the bootloader and flashing custom ROM.
@YusuHamed you took the words right off my keypad. I couldn't have said it better.
thanks for your all replies dears,
First let me unlock and flash a couple of roms
Thank you
Just unlocked and flashed the Pixel Experience, I just loved this new [10.0][beryllium] Pixel Experience [AOSP]
working like a charm and very butter smooth, thanks once again
96thippesh said:
Just unlocked and flashed the Pixel Experience, I just loved this new [10.0][beryllium] Pixel Experience [AOSP]
working like a charm and very butter smooth, thanks once again
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i am buying a new phone, the S8+ to be exact, and there have been a lot of new developments (problems) when it comes to rooting your device. i've been rooting my smartphone devices for over 10 years because i love the freedom it brings (er, brought). Now i read things like Netflix, Snapchat, and AndroidPay not working on rooted devices. So i am wondering what people's experiences have been like. Any regrets? Are the trade-offs worth it to you? Is it worth being able to uninstall bloatware and install custom ROMs if a lot of other features and apps will stop working? i know most of this is personal preference but would like to know more about what other people have experienced.
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i am buying a new phone, the S8+ to be exact, and there have been a lot of new developments (problems) when it comes to rooting your device. i've been rooting my smartphone devices for over 10 years because i love the freedom it brings (er, brought). Now i read things like Netflix, Snapchat, and AndroidPay not working on rooted devices. So i am wondering what people's experiences have been like. Any regrets? Are the trade-offs worth it to you? Is it worth being able to uninstall bloatware and install custom ROMs if a lot of other features and apps will stop working? i know most of this is personal preference but would like to know more about what other people have experienced.
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First and foremost, if you plan on getting a US variant, meaning it will have a SD835 in it, Root is unlikely to come soon for it, This doesn't mean it won't happen, just not soon. Now if we're talking international, the ones that ship with an Exynos in it, they're rootable now.
Now, with that out the way let's get into the questions you've asked. There will indeed be a selection of apps that will not work when rooted these days because of "SafetyNet" check failure. Some of the biggest would be Snapchat and Android pay, However they will work with the assistance of Magisk which will allow SafetyNet to pass it's check, Same goes for most apps that fail to work because of root presence.
Heading back to what I first mentioned now, Rooting a Samsung device of recent years comes with some pretty notable cons to it, These would include loss of KNOX, I'm not sure what your stance on security is but if security is a concern to you, losing KNOX is not good. Another big and notable con is you will lose all Samsung pay support permanently, Actually to be honest both of the latter are permanently lost once rooted. If these things aren't a concern for you then by all means root away.
On to other things now, Rooting these days doesn't present as many attractive things as it use to, especially on a Samsung device. Most OEMS have given alternatives to many of the things a user couldn't do without root before. Currently there is no Xposed on Nougat and above, it's being worked on but there is no foreseeable date that can be given on when it will be completed.
So all in all, Until root is achieved for the Snapdragon variants, I'd hold off on a purchase of an S8. If we're talking Exynos variants then by all means get one, as I've said they're rootable right now. But don't let that be the ray of sunshine, though they're rootable, They're in infact an Exynos and Samsung is unwilling to provide source code to their Exynos chipsets. Which basically means to you that custom ROMs will be limited to rehashes of the stock ROMs with a couple mods if possible, AOSP such as Lineage and others like it are next to impossible to happen on Exynos without a source code to work from. It has been done before but the resulting roms took a long time to develop and either were extremely buggy or were just simply not usable for daily use.
I'm pretty sure I've hopefully covered every aspect I could but if you've got any more questions I'll surely answer them.
I apologise for this being so long lol.
Perfect. Thank you, this helped a lot.
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Perfect. Thank you, this helped a lot.
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Glad I could help, Again sorry it was a lengthy response but it was necessary to cover all of it.
Huawei Mate 10 Pro Development.
Why is there no ROM's available for the Huawei Mate 10 Pro? Is it a case of no developers working on it or is it a case that custom roms can't be done for this phone? I've always been a big "flasher" with every phone I've had and I get this phone tomorrow. If there are no roms available due to lack of development, I would love to be pointed into the right direction on how I would go about creating a custom ROM for this phone. And hopefully release it to the community.
All information that will help me on my quest, would be greatly appreciated.
Same here, very strange. Its top flagship phone
There are Treble roms available, check out https://forum.xda-developers.com/project-treble and https://openkirin.net/
Right now the only way to unlock bootloader is by using DC-unlocker/HCU (Paid service) to get an unlock code, Huawei removed their free unlock page 6 days ago (24-07-2018).
This didn't answer your question...
But I guess there are too few devs interested in custom stock roms. Adding features to stock (Like a power menu, for example) is no fun as most Huawei apks can't be decompiled/recompiled.
So basically you can debloat, add apps and theme.
I'd focus on Treble though
Yeah, Huawei is now locked. I guess Rom development will stop soon to a complete halt
Who wants to develop for five users only?
Regarding unlocking the bootloader.
Basically I was pissed at them because I didn't got my code on time and i have opened a ticket for this issue, in a few hours I have received by e-mail the unlock code... i was impressed so better try this method first and afterwards the paid one.
I'll have the chance to buy this phone for 160€. Normally I investigate around if the community enjoys the phone if there's development for it in custom roms and what's the status on the bootloader but it's getting complicated.
From what I've heard, Huawei stopped offering the chance for unlocking the bootloader for its phones, it is still possible with this one? If yes, completely? Can we do whatever we want or are we limited? I've browsed and seen treble support for it, is it working well? If you are using a P20lite with a treble rom, what works and what doesn't for you?
I'll still be looking for info to my own questions and even more but if you have some spare minutes, own the phone and have the answers I'm looking for, care to help please?
If it's worth it? For that price and as of right now, definitely yes. It's a well built phone for the price, the glass on the back is a bit bad of course in terms of durability but allows for better network possibilities which plastic does not. In terms of ROMS and recoveries the phone already has them which at this time is amazing, although development always depend on the true developers that stay up to date and that give their best to keep projects up to date.
Boot loader is a problem as of right now for those who have no key to unlock it. There is some paid software that can do it like Funky Huawei and others...Although I think Huawei might change it or find a better solution to developers trying to develop some ROMS to their phones. Huawei only does this because of security since Android is full of vulnerabilities and they are not risking to lose against other companies like Apple.
Once you have a boot loader unlock code, yup you are free to do anything on your phone
As for the treble ROM's, in my humble opinion I think they have a lot to evolve right now due to bugs (talking in general, not only for our device), I think they are good alternatives to normal ROM's though, simpler to install and smoother.
What works and doesn't work you can see it at github, I can give you a link for a treble ROM created by phhusson developer at github https://github.com/phhusson/treble_experimentations/releases/tag/v108, look on the issues tab if you have any issues yourself. I personally love his work.
Resuming, it's still a perfect deal since the phone only launched a few months ago at 400 euros.
Although if you want full control of your phone and at the same time receive a lot of updates I honestly recommend Nokia - Android One phones
You probably already know but, don't let Chinese phones fool you, their build quality sucks, they might have more a bit powerful but after 1 or 2 years it's dead
Cheers,
AS
A bit of history
I don't know if you guys have noticed, but there are a lot of ROMs not being updated anymore because the devs are migrating to newer phones or whatever. In this thread I want to show you guys that installing new custom ROMs and looking for updates don't worth your time.
This phone has been released on October 1st, 2014 and now it's 2019 which means that we're using a five years old phone (which is not bad). Samsung gave up on it in 2015 when they launched (the last) lollipop update. But then a lot of developers started working to make our beloved GP an useful phone with the latest cool stuff that newer android versions give to us. It was wonderful when every Tuesday there was a building going on in a Jenkin's server and afterwards we could download the ROM just to have the latest version of Cyanogenmod (good old days that never come back). For me, the last stable custom ROMs were the Nougat and Marshmallow versions. Afterwards some of the devs have changed their phones and stopped creating new stuff for GP (I'm not blaming anyone for that) because the phone was getting too problematic to work with.
Even so, some of the devs were still persisting on making new builds and fixing the bugs but those new ROMs weren't ever going to get out of the beta stage. Even if you see new custom ROMs builds today they are not gonna be finished as their kernel need to be worked on fixing bugs and improvements. That's why they all have the same bugs because they use the same base which has these bugs.
The real last update
The last modification in the kernel has been made on Oct 17th, 2018.
Last commit
This means that all of these new custom ROMs in 2019 are not getting their bugs fixed. Please do not ask the devs for updates and improvements because they've already forsaken this phone long time ago.
We have to be grateful that they have spent a lot of their time and money (I don't know which is most valuable) programming, looking for bugs and losing sleep nights just to bring us (users) pieces of software FOR FREE.
For all developers my biggest Thank you !
My grand prime's retirement
At this time I am using the oldest stock ROM ever, the KitKat. It's very stable specially when you root it and remove all the bloatware stuff.
Its interface is not that bad, I personally think it's cuter that lollipop's. Of course you will miss google's smart lock and a lot of apps that are not supported anymore, such as Swiftkey, Gboard and newer stunning browsers.
I think that we users should let our grand prime to rest in peace and to follow our own lives. It has been a great adventure to brick this phone a lot of times and being one or two days without social media because of a software brick.
What do you think of all of this?
Have a great day.
It was a great run with the gp
I'm no longer using this device 4 months ago
I'm now using a Lenovo Z5 Pro GT
It's a 6 year old phone, I think it's perfectly reasonable for someone to want to stop developing for it.
I have 4 cellphone, but Grand prime is still my fave
Hey @cizordj!
I'm glad you made this thread. I know that most people have moved on to their new devices but some people like me and many others are still stuck with their GP and it is hard to use this. I know I will waste your time but let's do a guide on how to use this phone in 2019 and so on mainly because of the reason they don't have money to get a newer device. My Telegram ID is @ITexpert120 and if you find this post interesting, please contact me.
Let's give this community the last gift before we leave. (Just a side note I'm still using GP).
Bye.
itexpert.120 said:
Hey @cizordj!
I'm glad you made this thread. I know that most people have moved on to their new devices but some people like me and many others are still stuck with their GP and it is hard to use this. I know I will waste your time but let's do a guide on how to use this phone in 2019 and so on mainly because of the reason they don't have money to get a newer device. My Telegram ID is @ITexpert120 and if you find this post interesting, please contact me.
Let's give this community the last gift before we leave. (Just a side note I'm still using GP).
Bye.
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It's an interesting idea, sorry for the late response.
Alright, I think someone would still be able to use grand prime today if he installs ViperOS which is in my opinion the stablest ROM ever. It's even faster than stock's and lighter, another thing is the camera that is a lot better. On this tutorial about using grand prime in 2019 I think we should approach these methods:
- Installing the newest possible android version.
- Installing the Google Apps.
- Rooting the phone.
- Giving tips about light apps that can be used on this phone.
I remember not being able to use Instagram due to a lack of RAM, what I did was to uninstall Swiftkey[board] and use AOSP keyboard. Another detail that the user must care about is background processes, in developer options I had to deactive all of them to get the phone to respond fast, without background processes I didn't get notifications, but my phone used to work rapidly.
If the user is hardcore, he could try using this phone without Google Apps, they are heavy nowadays specially the play services, if he could stand without that he would save 200Mb of RAM approximately.
Well I think this is it.
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It's an interesting idea, sorry for the late response.
Alright, I think someone would still be able to use grand prime today if he installs ViperOS which is in my opinion the stablest ROM ever. It's even faster than stock's and lighter, another thing is the camera that is a lot better. On this tutorial about using grand prime in 2019 I think we should approach these methods:
- Installing the newest possible android version.
- Installing the Google Apps.
- Rooting the phone.
- Giving tips about light apps that can be used on this phone.
I remember not being able to use Instagram due to a lack of RAM, what I did was to uninstall Swiftkey[board] and use AOSP keyboard. Another detail that the user must care about is background processes, in developer options I had to deactive all of them to get the phone to respond fast, without background processes I didn't get notifications, but my phone used to work rapidly.
If the user is hardcore, he could try using this phone without Google Apps, they are heavy nowadays specially the play services, if he could stand without that he would save 200Mb of RAM approximately.
Well I think this is it.
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Well, yeah
You are right, I am too using the Grand Prime without GApps and it works just fine.
Also my builds are getting stable so now I am able to use it without any problems
And most of all PUBG LITE works
Yesterday I unlocked my poco x2 and installed miui EU rom but it was buggy so flashed stock India rom and I accidentally locked it back.
I went on to re-unlock the device and the unlocker said you can't unlock anymore devices this moth, even though it's the same device, rom, mi account but it treats it as different device.
poco very much like to call themselves developer friendly but they aren't. they are pretty much like apple and in this case, they make sure to add small hurdles in your way so you can't tinker much with your device.
these are some of the examples
1. developer mode is harder to unlock. takes 3-4 sec of continuous tapping instead of 3-4 taps on stock rom.
2.initial unlock restrictions of many days.
3.locked EDL mode
and now
4.can't reunlock in same month? Wtf?
they can very much call it "security" measures.
but all this makes me feel that I don't really own the device and borrowed it from the company.
I have so many xiaomi devices in the house, personally used 4 before
was really loyal fan but now I think it's time to switch
lets see if they reply back
https://twitter.com/omkarpatil29/status/1248926429875597312
True you are friend.
I think there's no security thingy since its bootloader is unlockable.
Xiaomi is doing just annoying things.
My next phone will be oneplus.
Edit : Yeah I meant unlock wait time. It's meaningless at all. Xiaomi should change it to oneplus' way.
Buy a phone and unlock it on that day.
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I think there's no security thingy since its bootloader is unlockable.
Xiaomi is doing just annoying things.
My next phone will be oneplus.
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I'm not sure but for the "waiting period thing" they gave the reason of security in past.
I have so many xiaomi devices in the house, personally had 4.
was really loyal fan but now I also think it's time to switch
okaraosp29 said:
Yesterday I unlocked my poco x2 and installed miui EU rom but it was buggy so flashed stock India rom and I accidentally locked it back.
I went on to re-unlock the device and the unlocker said you can't unlock anymore devices this moth, even though it's the same device, rom, mi account but it treats it as different device.
poco very much like to call themselves developer friendly but they aren't. they are pretty much like apple and in this case, they make sure to add small hurdles in your way so you can't tinker much with your device.
these are some of the examples
1. developer mode is harder to unlock. takes 3-4 sec of continuous tapping instead of 3-4 taps on stock rom.
2.initial unlock restrictions of many days.
3.locked EDL mode
and now
4.can't reunlock in same month? Wtf?
they can very much call it "security" measures.
but all this makes me feel that I don't really own the device and borrowed it from the company.
I have so many xiaomi devices in the house, personally used 4 before
was really loyal fan but now I think it's time to switch
lets see if they reply back
https://twitter.com/omkarpatil29/status/1248926429875597312
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I don't know which EU rom you downloaded. But mine is working great. I am using the one for K30 (20.3.26)
Just switch the phone.!! Go ahead..!!.
Devs-friendly does not mean it is easy for stupid people. Change quickly. Before it became hard-brick because of your idiot.
Not developer-friendly, true. But it's kind of your fault for locking the bootloader while flashing the stock rom. This phone is very frustrating to get around unless you know how to do things.
1. Developer mode unlock method is same as AOSP in miui, nothing different there.I think you somehow remember enabling usb debugging option which has 3,4 seconds of 3 popup screens to enable and i find it useful because so many people in android community just edit the stuff they shouldnt even play with, resulting in having problems, they just tell the problems and list what could happen in that 3 popup screens.
2. Initial unlock thing have some sense in it, let me explain.I am living in turkey and xiaomi as official seller just start selling here since like 2 years ago, before that there was no official seller.(still we prefer resellers because of price difference) So what happended ? We had to buy from random people who import phones from china directly, which buy them from another random sellers in china.and guess what in this process they used to add random modified miui versions(not talking about miui eu) which resulted in security issues, hijacking bank accounts etc or not getting any updates at all ! so by adding this waiting time they force the first seller to keep 2 weeks minimum to unlock it to add custom rom, which they dont, resulted in mostly unmodified devices and guess what most user base of xiaomi are not developers or ROM swappers, there are people who just buy the damn device to use it which dont even know what bootloader is.They prefer a secure,unmodified device which gets updates on time.This waiting time served its purpose.Yeah i can agree its implementation method should be better,like same wait time for all devices not random but thats another discussion.
3. Locked EDL mode,yes you are right.I used oneplus devices before and they are better in developer friendly manners, but this doesnt mean xiaomi is not.in comparison to other android brands, in my opinion first company is oneplus then xiaomi.
4. See there is the problem here, dont get me wrong but if you did know what you are doing or messing with after using 4 xiaomi devices you would and should be able to uncheck the right down cleand all box on miflash tool and becareful when using it.If as a flashy user after 4 device you still can accidently lock the bootloader, you shouldnt be messing with device,the waiting time will be a lesson for you to learn more and never do the same mistake again and be careful next time.
I can understand that waiting is a little boring etc, but keep in mind in a community where huawei after that many years locked bootloader of their devices permanantly(except unofficial ways) you cant open bootloader,or samsung disabling knox and etc, you should praise a brand when it serves you good devices with less price with ability to use custom roms,camera2api etc.
By the way in comparison to oneplus,xiaomi is much bigger company and community of users in oneplus are mostly android geeks who knew what cyanogenmod was,there are even people who didnt hear oneplus name even once in their life, but xiaomi is more general purpose brand who is way more popular among normal smartphone users, so they serve 2 different community in my opinion,with less users base in common in general.
Feel free to swap to any other brand if you are this much unhappy
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I don't know which EU rom you downloaded. But mine is working great. I am using the one for K30 (20.3.26)
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yes same version. pubg crashes constatantly in game and saw some battery drain while idle even after factory reset same issues were observed so i flashed stock.
reza6d said:
1. Developer mode unlock method is same as AOSP in miui, nothing different there.I think you somehow remember enabling usb debugging option which has 3,4 seconds of 3 popup screens to enable and i find it useful because so many people in android community just edit the stuff they shouldnt even play with, resulting in having problems, they just tell the problems and list what could happen in that 3 popup screens.
2. Initial unlock thing have some sense in it, let me explain.I am living in turkey and xiaomi as official seller just start selling here since like 2 years ago, before that there was no official seller.(still we prefer resellers because of price difference) So what happended ? We had to buy from random people who import phones from china directly, which buy them from another random sellers in china.and guess what in this process they used to add random modified miui versions(not talking about miui eu) which resulted in security issues, hijacking bank accounts etc or not getting any updates at all ! so by adding this waiting time they force the first seller to keep 2 weeks minimum to unlock it to add custom rom, which they dont, resulted in mostly unmodified devices and guess what most user base of xiaomi are not developers or ROM swappers, there are people who just buy the damn device to use it which dont even know what bootloader is.They prefer a secure,unmodified device which gets updates on time.This waiting time served its purpose.Yeah i can agree its implementation method should be better,like same wait time for all devices not random but thats another discussion.
3. Locked EDL mode,yes you are right.I used oneplus devices before and they are better in developer friendly manners, but this doesnt mean xiaomi is not.in comparison to other android brands, in my opinion first company is oneplus then xiaomi.
4. See there is the problem here, dont get me wrong but if you did know what you are doing or messing with after using 4 xiaomi devices you would and should be able to uncheck the right down cleand all box on miflash tool and becareful when using it.If as a flashy user after 4 device you still can accidently lock the bootloader, you shouldnt be messing with device,the waiting time will be a lesson for you to learn more and never do the same mistake again and be careful next time.
I can understand that waiting is a little boring etc, but keep in mind in a community where huawei after that many years locked bootloader of their devices permanantly(except unofficial ways) you cant open bootloader,or samsung disabling knox and etc, you should praise a brand when it serves you good devices with less price with ability to use custom roms,camera2api etc.
By the way in comparison to oneplus,xiaomi is much bigger company and community of users in oneplus are mostly android geeks who knew what cyanogenmod was,there are even people who didnt hear oneplus name even once in their life, but xiaomi is more general purpose brand who is way more popular among normal smartphone users, so they serve 2 different community in my opinion,with less users base in common in general.
Feel free to swap to any other brand if you are this much unhappy
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I just wanted to quick flash my device because I was in hurry. I'm a MIUI hater but still a MI fan. haven't used mi flash for so long that i forgot about it. Yes, it was my mistake. but I’m talking same device, same mi account and same rom here. when you have such a big user and device database these things not supposed to happen. I do get, why they do the stuff they do but all that togather builds up in so much frustration for someone who does a lot of tinkering with their device everyday. this is not good thing for a company that calls itself developer friendly.
this is not about security my friend they just don't want people to leave miui
Definitely they are developer friendly. They send phone to talent devs. The thread say it all. Your not a dev. xiaomi dont say they are "flasholic friendly". Obviously you made a mistake and you called it "accidental" and blame xiaomi.
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Definitely they are developer friendly. They send phone to talent devs. The thread say it all. Your not a dev. xiaomi dont say they are "flasholic friendly". Obviously you made a mistake and you called it "accidental" and blame xiaomi.
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Hel yeh..!! The guy got serious problem with 7 times tap the screen said he wanna play with EDL mode =]]
okaraosp29 said:
I just wanted to quick flash my device because I was in hurry. I'm a MIUI hater but still a MI fan. haven't used mi flash for so long that i forgot about it. Yes, it was my mistake. but I’m talking same device, same mi account and same rom here. when you have such a big user and device database these things not supposed to happen. I do get, why they do the stuff they do but all that togather builds up in so much frustration for someone who does a lot of tinkering with their device everyday. this is not good thing for a company that calls itself developer friendly.
this is not about security my friend they just don't want people to leave miui
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I think the term you are looking for is 'User-friendly" not "Developer friendly", because someone who is experienced enough or even used MiFlash once or twice will know how MiFlash always reverts to clean all and lock. There is no need to be angry over all this, you made a mistake, now you have to wait. That's it. :good:
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I think the term you are looking for is 'User-friendly" not "Developer friendly", because someone who is experienced enough or even used MiFlash once or twice will know how MiFlash always reverts to clean all and lock. There is no need to be angry over all this, you made a mistake, now you have to wait. That's it. :good:
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keyword "hurry"