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so Im new to this and ive seen videos of how to root the at&t samsung galaxy note
and i want to know is it even possible to root/flash a phone that is still locked?
and what are advatages/disadvantages of rooting a locked phone?
help please
thanks
A locked phone is just a phone that is tied to one carrier.
A rooted phone is a phone where the user (you) has enabled root access to the phone, which provides you with (nearly) ultimate control of the phone. It typically voids your warranty, although there are many ROMs and root methods that will not trigger the flash counter (which shows your carrier that you've tampered with the device). It can be risky, since you are able to damage your phone, the worst case scenario being a "bricked" phone, which means the device will no longer turn on, rendering it fairly useless. The benefits include:
access to grant permissions to certain apps (which lets you do some pretty cool stuff, like making a backup of all your apps so you don't have to download them individually every time you reset your phone, or the ability to uninstall carrier bloatware)
the ability to flash custom roms!
do you need any others? you can FLASH CUSTOM ROMS dammit!!
Without getting too technical, custom ROMs are third party pieces of software that alter, and hopefully upgrade, your current (Stock) rom. This means you can get updates to your phone long before your carrier releases the OTA updates, and you can get customized versions which look and feel better and allow you to do awesome things like overclock your cpu for faster speeds (which improves overall perfomance), or undervolt it for increased battery life...or a little bit of both. A lot of the time you don't even need to do this yourself, because these awesome developers will set all that up for you.
So just to recap, you are taking a risk every time you root your phone or flash a custom rom, however, the guides make it very difficult for you to hard-brick your phone (soft bricking can be frustrating, but is far from the death of your phone), and there are safety measures you can put in place, like nandroid backups (only once youre rooted! ). Also, most phones have a guide for getting back to stock in case all hell breaks loose on your phone.
I am by no means an expert at this, but I have flashed a few hundred roms, and rooted at least 30 different devices (phones and tablets), and I have yet to hard brick a device. I believe the rewards far outweigh the risks, although to each his own.
Have been an Android user since November 2009 when I got my OG Droid, was rooted and ROMed in January after the 2.0.1 update came out and dev's cracked it. I really want a Note 2 but want to be sure we will see ROMs, Kernels and recoveries. From reading the Dev section it seems SBOOT is locked and we can't even get kexec at this point. It sounds like the VZW version may just be locked down too tight to get anything other than just Root. So, given all this, what do you guys think is the liklihood of use seeing custom ROMs, kernels and recoveries on the VZW Note 2?
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Have been an Android user since November 2009 when I got my OG Droid, was rooted and ROMed in January after the 2.0.1 update came out and dev's cracked it. I really want a Note 2 but want to be sure we will see ROMs, Kernels and recoveries. From reading the Dev section it seems SBOOT is locked and we can't even get kexec at this point. It sounds like the VZW version may just be locked down too tight to get anything other than just Root. So, given all this, what do you guys think is the liklihood of use seeing custom ROMs, kernels and recoveries on the VZW Note 2?
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Custom ROMs is fairly easy. The way the phone was rooted is how one would also do a custom ROM at this point. If we are to get more than that, we're going to need to find a way to unlock the bootloader, which so far, has been futile, but it was also people that have never really done it before trying. Hopefully, an unlock method is found, and we can then go with custom recoveries and kernels, along with easier to flash custom ROMs.
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Custom ROMs is fairly easy. The way the phone was rooted is how one would also do a custom ROM at this point. If we are to get more than that, we're going to need to find a way to unlock the bootloader, which so far, has been futile, but it was also people that have never really done it before trying. Hopefully, an unlock method is found, and we can then go with custom recoveries and kernels, along with easier to flash custom ROMs.
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So they would have to be just custom versions of the stock ROM correct, since you would have to continue using the stock kernel. Is AOSP basically impossible without unlocking the boot loader and getting custom kernels? I don't want to have to rely on VZW and Samsung for updates, at their pace 4.3 will be out and this will still be on it's current 4.1.1.
just gotta wait for a leak from someone important....hopefully it doesn't take as long as it did for the s3!
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So they would have to be just custom versions of the stock ROM correct, since you would have to continue using the stock kernel. Is AOSP basically impossible without unlocking the boot loader and getting custom kernels? I don't want to have to rely on VZW and Samsung for updates, at their pace 4.3 will be out and this will still be on it's current 4.1.1.
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You could do something that looks like AOSP, but no, I don't think you could get true AOSP until we get custom kernels.
I've been in Android for a few years now, and I've always defaulted towards AOSP since I hate the heavy overlays that these OEM's place on our devices, but this is the FIRST time in a long time that I will be saying this: why would you even want custom ROM's for this device?
I mean that, honestly. It's perfect. Sure it's nice to get root and modify certain things, but for the most part I don't see any 3rd party ROM trumping stock for this phone. Just the S Pen alone is reason enough to never want to leave stock.
I wasn't really lurking the Note 1 ROM scenes so I don't know how well developers were able to port S Pen functionality over to ROM's like CM10 etc, but I don't imagine they'd ever be able to fully integrate it to the level it is on stock.
And given the immense battery life, top notch performance on stock, I don't see a need to "trim the proverbial fat" of the actual firmware anyway. It's just, perfect.
You can have custom ROMs without getting rid of spen features. I agree with you that I wouldn't want an AOSP ROM but shaving a little weight off this thing wouldn't hurt
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Honestly, I'm just waiting for a rom that's debloated, deodexed, has unlimited multiview, wifi toggle, adjustable homescreen, etc. etc. Nothing major, unless some one comes up with some neat ideas on how to integrate the S Pen into the ROM for a better user experience. We've got a good dev community, so I remain optimistic that something cool will come our way.
i agree...i see no need for aosp on this device at this time. just need root and hopefully cwm recovery. samsung has touchwiz dialed in pretty well. however aosp will have its place when this device quits getting updates.
I'd just like it open and custom kernels I don't mind touchwiz on this type of device
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Honestly the S Pen is NOT at all what is drawing me to this phone, really couldn't care less about it to be honest. What IS drawing me to this phone is the bigger screen from my G-Nex, the faster processor, the bigger battery and the improved screen. Also the improved radios and data conenction from the notoriously bad G-Nex radios is a huge draw, but none of this is about the S Pen. I know I may be in the minority with my opinion here, but that's at least what I want, and to be honest, when is having more ROMs for a device worse than having less That's why I want AOSP ROMs and custom kernels etc.
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Honestly the S Pen is NOT at all what is drawing me to this phone, really couldn't care less about it to be honest. What IS drawing me to this phone is the bigger screen from my G-Nex, the faster processor, the bigger battery and the improved screen. Also the improved radios and data conenction from the notoriously bad G-Nex radios is a huge draw, but none of this is about the S Pen. I know I may be in the minority with my opinion here, but that's at least what I want, and to be honest, when is having more ROMs for a device worse than having less That's why I want AOSP ROMs and custom kernels etc.
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But I will admit that I am PLEASANTLY suprised at how nice TW is. With an AOSP JellyBean launcher and lock screen I am really enjoying this thing. I am not sure what could really improve this bad boy other than some cleaned up stock ROM and OC kernel.
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I'd just like it open and custom kernels I don't mind touchwiz on this type of device
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What I'd a custom kernel going to give you over stock performance? A few added features maybe, but it didn't seem like this phone needs undervolting or overclocking.
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Honestly the S Pen is NOT at all what is drawing me to this phone, really couldn't care less about it to be honest. What IS drawing me to this phone is the bigger screen from my G-Nex, the faster processor, the bigger battery and the improved screen. Also the improved radios and data conenction from the notoriously bad G-Nex radios is a huge draw, but none of this is about the S Pen. I know I may be in the minority with my opinion here, but that's at least what I want, and to be honest, when is having more ROMs for a device worse than having less That's why I want AOSP ROMs and custom kernels etc.
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Aosp roms are the hardest to get on cdma devices, plus isn't this chip a new one as well? Many hurdles to jump over before that happens.
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If we could have per app DPI on TW, that would be really cool. I'm confident we'll get this thing unlocked soon enough tho.
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im with the others...im very impressed at this UI of this phone. i would like a recovery and perhaps and overclock but the overclock isnt even needed IMO. other than that (thought id never say this) the stock rom nailed it. its apparent the people at samsung not only know what they are doing but listen to the consumer. i dont know how many of you are boaters but phones are like boats. you will never find the perfect one. however judging from the reviews so far this is about as close as it comes...from my point of view anyway..
and to think i was hesitant about getting it. i stood in the store for 30 minutes contemplating it. the rep was about to give up when i said "okay im pulling the trigger". first time i have ever bought a phone and not been 100% sure when i walked through the door.
I guess I have also been spoiled by the phones I have had, the OG Droid and the Galaxy Nexus, honestly I don't think any one phone has had a bigger and more vibrant community than the OG Droid, not even the Galaxy Nexus. I would like to be able to stay on the cutting edge of Android though, knowing that if a new version is released I should have it within 24-48 hours if not less. I am using 4.2.1 on my Nexus and quite like it, seems even smoother than 4.1.2 and also like the few new features, mainly the quick settings panel and PhotoSphere. I know the Galaxy series was one of the originators of the quick setting panel but I like Google's implementation quite a bit. Would just be weird to give up using CM after doing so for almost 3 years now. All decisions to consider. May pick up the phone at Best Buy and see if I like it an return it if I still prefer the Nexus.
There is a thread about them trying to get CM10 on the Note 2, but the VZW version might be the hardest.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2019535
Would it be useful to start a bounty for a bootloader unlock and custom recovery or for CM and AOSP on it? If so I would donate, just wondering what you all think.
I have said in a lot of devices forums in the past that the amount people will be able to do is proportional to the amount of effort and the support the communities give. In this case you guys have already bought adamOutler a phone, and he has torn it down, we have started to analyze the bare bones, and I'm sure hes looking for an unbreakable mod. With this being said lets address a couple of the questions at hand:
First off it does not look like their will be an easy fix to the fact that the bootloader is locked. The way that it looks in the white paper are their are efuses that are used as both a hardware key and possibly a configuration bit. Once this is set it cannot be unset. All hope is not lost though. With adam's UART he has found a couple loading points that might be inject a new bootloader and kernels and such there. However this is a shot in the dark, as it utilizes the fact that there is some security code loopholes in the boot chain to allow for injections.
Secondly there is always the possibility of custom roms. Using subsystems such as 2ndboot and such you can always make it so that you load a new system image onto the existing one, though this means longer boot up times. Also there is another cool thing out there called kexec (this may or may not be enabled in the default kernel). If enabled in the kernel, the kernel can shut down proc1 and then re initiate with a new kernel ontop of it. If properly coded all phones with the root ability have the ability to do this if they can issue a kexec. Kexec has been ported over to many phones, and some of which dont have kexec enabled in the existing kernel. This makes it so EVERY DEVICES THAT HAS ROOT HAS THE POSSIBILITY TO HAVE CUSTOM ROMS. However with kexec not being enabled on ever phone, it makes it hard to program ever phone to have the right kernel injection points.
The last thing is that to the best of my knowledge the bootloader code is not public, which makes it very hard to find vulnerabilities, however it does not mean that they never get found. Time. Time is all we ask for, as this is not our only job and it takes alot of hard work from devs free time to work and develop. With all that being said im sure in time someone some where will find a link.
Wondering if there is any way I can help. I am not new to Android, however I have never gone past using already fully known and documented things, standard rooting etc. I am interested in getting to know things better so if I can be of any help let me know.
Man I think this will be the last time I buy a Samsung phone from Verizon. The way they force samsung to lock down the bootloader is crazy.
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Alright, well I hope I haven't buggered up here.
I'm doing some work for a business that needs no less than 17 new smartphones for their sales team. They wanted something that had a decent sized screen, awesome battery, and fingerprint reader. I immediately thought of the Xioami Redmi Note 3 Pro. I showed them my Note 2 and they were impressed and said they would be keen on the Note 3 with the fingerprint reader for the price. I thought it was a no-brainer. I knew MIUI would confuse the existing sales team (they use Nexus 4's and 5's currently) so I figured CM12.1/CM13 would be the way to go, and I did notice that there was a bootloader unlock process required. I didn't think much of it at the time.
Now I realise there is a somewhat painful bootloader unlock code application process. Hmm. Would I experience difficulties getting unlock codes for this many devices? Luckily I only ordered one so far to test, but I am worried whether Xiaomi will be happy to hand out codes like candy. If they reject me, I'll be holding the bag and be required to get them a different phone, probably something like a Nexus 6p, which is more than three times the price and doesn't have as great battery life.
If anyone has some insight to this process and how it would play out if I tried to get a heap of codes that would be great.
Tell them to use MIUI.
Firstly, you shouldn't replace a stable STOCK ROM with a development AOSP ROM like CyanogenMod, which usually has undocumented bugs and issues. Companies usually prefer security and stability over "the look of vanilla android". I don't believe people cant learn to use MIUI. Why? Because MIUI is still android, just with CUTER icons and a different launcher. If you are so worried about the launcher, force all of them to use google now launcher or Nova Launcher. Confusion due to different launcher is never a good excuse to sacrifice security and stability.
Secondly, unlike MIUI, which pushes stable updates every 1 or 2 months for security patches, CyanogenMod updates are not guaranteed, worse still, CM updates are never extensively tested and are released almost every god damn day (along with randomly added experimental features/changes, which might suddenly break something, or randomly removed features/changes, which again, might break something). You can't expect them to update today, find out there's a bug, update again tomorrow, OMG BUG NOT FIXED ? Patch again the next day. OMG bootloop from bad update / bad flash? OMG OMG OMG ! What to do? OMG OMG OMG WTF Another bad flash? No signal, no wifi? What to do? Wait til next update? See the problem here? Not everyone knows what to do with a ROM that needs that much tinkering. Then, there's another problem, what if somehow the maintainer call it quits? The ROM gets abandoned. What happens then?
Conclusion, for work use, NEVER EVER flash AOSP ROMs or whatnots, always stick with stock for security, stability and support from the OEM. Also, it saves you the trouble when **** happens, imagine a bug causes the whole team to miss a meeting or screw up an email which causes business loss, the management would certainly like to know whose idea it was to unlock a secured bootloader, replace a stable MIUI stock ROM with an unstable ROM.
EDIT : Extra info : I am using CM13 now, it has a lot of weird bugs, like GPS not working for some devices (depends on region) and some people have random "no signal" issues, or no data, or sim not detected. And after flash, some of us needs to edit files it root directory to get capcitive buttons working again, otherwise menu key wont work properly. Some get random reboot. Some get bootloop after update. So on. Seriously, DO NOT FLASH FLASH CM FOR OFFICIAL WORK USE IF THE PEOPLE USING THEM ARE NOT TECH SAVVY PEOPLE WHO KNOWS HOW TO DO A LOT OF ANDROID ****.
I totally get where you're coming from, but I think you're overreacting and ROM stability or updates isn't the problem here. This isn't going to happen for a couple of months at least, and I would use one as my own device and make sure there isn't any bugs before giving it to anyone else. I'd be handling updates manually as well. You make it sound like stock ROMs don't have bugs either, and they get updated forever. Lol.
Really not sure I'm sold on MIUI though. It is quite a departure from AOSP. I tried it for a week and I couldn't really stomach it, but this was about a year ago now. I feel I'd get complains for sure. I also don't see development for CM13 stopping anytime soon either.
Even if I did use MIUI, I'd need to flash a modified stock ROM via fastboot, which again would require an unlocked bootloader. I sure as hell am not going to sit around and setup 17 phones by hand, so let's get back to the original question. Is getting bulk bootloader unlock codes a problem?
Bulk unlocking won't be a problem, since you only need to get the permission for a MIUI account.
Basically,when you get the permission, you can unlock any number of Mi phones linked to your account.
Although I would recommend sticking to the stock MIUI since it is much more stable and supported because in your use case, stability would be paramount.
Hire me too, and I'll unlock for them. :highfive:
Via mi tool and getting official authentication to get unlock code? Yes it's a problem because xiaomi will only allow to unlock one device per month using same mi account, you'll need different mi accounts to get codes at a time...
Also, it takes quite a long to get unlock code from xiaomi around 2-3 weeks, if unlocking is mandatory for you, I'd suggest you to manually unlock those devices.. search mi forum or Google, you'll get process to manually unlock your device...
But still, i don't think it'll be a good idea...
Unlocking device and installing custom rom for personal use or experiment? it's really good.
But for bulk or commercial use? I still don't think it'll be a good idea... best of luck anyways.. happy unlocking!
Alright, cool. I thought that would be the case - pretty annoying. Not keen on the manual unlock method, it seems like a good way to brick a device via an OTA update.
The only other way I could use MIUI is if:
- I could disable all the MI services such as Mi Account, Mi Message, Mi Cloud, and any other junk / optimiser apps that might be preloaded
- I could pre-load around 20 user apps (some which need to be pre-configured with data, such as launcher) that would be needed
- I could disable the stock launcher permanently and have it replaced with Nova launcher
- I could install some kind of AOSP theme
- I could improve the RAM utilisation somehow
If I could do all of that, and clone this configuration to 17 devices without unlocking the bootloader, then I might be able to stick with MIUI... otherwise it's gotta go, or I gotta pick a different phone.
Edit: Had another look at the unofficial unlock method. It appears that as long as you aren't on a MIUI base, it should be fine. Looks like I might not have to unlock official after all.
1. MIUI has bugs too, yes, but usually minor + documented. It doesnt break GPS nor does it randomly make major capabilities of the phone fail. This is where CM falls short, sometimes. You'll never know when CM will change something because they think it will work, which winds up giving you bugs or bootloops.
2. MIUI won't get updated forever, but it will certainly be supported for a longer time than other OEMs. Look at how many phones will be getting MIUI 8 soon. Also, let's not forget, CM won't be updated forever either. Sometimes, it even gets abandoned. Then there's the part about CM where some (well most, but i don't blame them) maintainers are like "logs or it didnt happen" when it comes to bug reporting, and there arent that much people using CM, so, less likely they will get logs. Some even give you the middle-finger by saying "can't reproduce LOLL you're on your own." ***By no means am i implying that the maintainer/developer for RN3 CM13 is an asshole.
3. Aside from launcher, MIUI is not that different from other "flavoured" android UIs like touchwiz or whatever-LG-calls-their-UI. Mainly, icons are different, that's about it. The "not sold on MIUI" is not really a solid reason to use a ROM that isnt stable/secure. Just change the launcher then, use themes. Humans can adapt. With time, users will adapt to it. The same goes to iOS-->Android or Android-->iOS, that's why it's not very common (but not exactly rare either) for users to switch, because within a week or two, they give up, swap back.
4. Flashing using MiFlash with locked BL you mean? Hmm, perhaps you could try using adb reboot edl. This sends the phone into emergency download mode (only for qualcomm version), which allows you to flash fastboot ROMs, but only STOCK fastboot ROMs. Never tried on a modified ROM version, but i don't think that would work.
Note : I am not advocating for/against MIUI nor am i here to argue with you. I am just trying to help you make a decision clearly. By looking at security and stability. Not by judging how lamely cute MIUI is (which i agree, looks childishly weird, it's like an iOS reject made out with touchWiz and gave birth to a mutated UI).
By the way, sometimes xiaomi ignores unlock requests, sometimes they reject them cuz you account doesnt have enough "posts". Plus, you'd need like 17 accounts. Personally, i would suggest getting another phone, one (or 17 ) that looks closer to Vanilla and is friendlier to the Open Source Community (which obviously, xiaomi isn't, they dont walk the talk) as this would greatly reduce bugs and problems on ROMs like CM, should you choose to go there. But at its price range, RN3 is just about the best. Other phones are like 2x more. The next best thing would be Nexus 5x. 6P is too expensive.
Why not suggest Nexus phones. I wouldn't use Xiaomi phones if I had to support them afterwards?
Price and battery life mainly. They're just so hard to beat for the money.
Good points. The thing that I really want to focus on is the user experience though. The extra "features" will definitely cause some headaches. Sure, they can adapt, but I'd probably have to train them which isn't what I want to do. I've setup devices with CM ROMs for people in the past with great success (setup quite a few K3 Notes earlier this year on CM12.1) as they have been cleaner, faster, and much easier to use than the stock ROM. I figured I could do the same thing on Xiaomi devices. I also want to create training videos for them and I was hoping that if I could use CM it would apply to those who still have Nexus devices as well since they will look and feel the same.
It's a classic case of awesome hardware (with snapdragon SOC) at an awesome price held back by irritating software. The K3 Note was similar until CM12.1 was stable - the stock ROM was really bad.
I'll have to think long and hard about whether I would want to continue or if I should just start looking at other devices. I just can't think of anything else under 250USD that will fit the bill.
Others have said you can only unlock one device a month per account.
I've been a long time advocate of unlocking and rooting my devices, dating back to Windows Mobile. I loved the ability of dump bloated carrier apps, use Titanium BackUp to save and restore apps, and enable root-specific apps and features. Then, about the time I switched to a LG G5, the ability to unlock became a rarity. Around that time, I found that the LG BackUp allowed me to preform an easy restore after a system reset, carrier apps were easier to ignore and I found that rooting wasn't as much of a necessity as I remembered. Fast forward to the news that a method was discovered that allowed almost all V30s to be unlocked and rooted. My question is this: Is it really worth it to unlock and root my phone, or flash a custom ROM when this exploit will undoubtedly be patched soon? This leaves the owner to remain on the outdated firmware, which has possible security risks. Also, rooting the phone will most likely disable Android Pay, which I use regularly. Finally, one of the big selling points of this phone was the two-year warranty, which could be voided if unlocked.
I think it's great that people can finally unlock this phone, but I'd like to know what are the main reasons people are using this method and why they feel that it outweighs the risks. I've been out of the rooting/flashing loop for a while, so I'm looking forward to hearing the responses.
Thanks!
If you think you'll remain on outdated firmware you don't know much about rooting.
ROMs get monthly Android security updates. Does LG do that?
If you want to stay on stock firmware, you can flash any updated KDZ. I've been rooted since January and I flashed Oreo KDZ. I'm currently as updated as LG allows for US998'
You can have all the updates you want. Not sure why you don't think so.
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No rooting doesn't disable Android Pay. That's the whole idea of Magisk.
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If you think you'll remain on outdated firmware you don't know much about rooting.
ROMs get monthly Android security updates. Does LG do that?
If you want to stay on stock firmware, you had flash any updated KDZ. I've been rooted since January and I flashed Oreo KDZ.
You can have all the updates you want. Not sure why you don't think so.
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No rooting doesn't disable Android Pay. That's the whole idea of Magisk.
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Sorry... as I said, it's been a while since I rooted a phone, so I was off the mark on the update part. As for Android Pay, the last time I tried to use is on a rooted phone I got a failure notice. I have no idea what Magisk is, so that's exactly why I'm asking my original question. I'm looking for honest answers... not insults.
One other thing that I noticed was that the recommended method was the convert to the US998 Oreo in North America. The G5 I has was the carrier unlocked version which I used on Verizon. While it worked great, a couple features weren't compatible. For example, Advanced Calling only enabled HD Voice. Video Calling was unavailable. Also, Verizon visual voicemail didn't work, so most people switched to Google Voice. That caused issues with call forwarding to my LG Urbane 2. All of this things may have been resolved since then, and if they are please let me know.
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If you think you'll remain on outdated firmware you don't know much about rooting.
ROMs get monthly Android security updates. Does LG do that?
If you want to stay on stock firmware, you can flash any updated KDZ. I've been rooted since January and I flashed Oreo KDZ. I'm currently as updated as LG allows for US998'
You can have all the updates you want. Not sure why you don't think so.
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@ChazzMatt, I would not think he's trolling, as I had the very same question. I had rooted all my phones, up to the S8 Plus. Then I got a deal I could not pass on the V30 ($300 in pristine, practically new condition) and it did not take me more than a couple of days to see I liked it way more than the S8 and one of the reasons for that was that I did not feel like I needed to change anything to it. Great performance and sound, almost no bloatware and excellent battery life. So, knowing that the loophole might get patched I did unlock the bootloader but have remained stock, lurking in the rom threads until something compelling arises that make me root and leave stock behind. By the way I must thank you because you have helped so many of us in these guides.
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@ChazzMatt, I would not think he's trolling, as I had the very same question. I had rooted all my phones, up to the S8 Plus. Then I got a deal I could not pass on the V30 ($300 in pristine, practically new condition) and it did not take me more than a couple of days to see I liked it way more than the S8 and one of the reasons for that was that I did not feel like I needed to change anything to it. Great performance and sound, almost no bloatware and excellent battery life. So, knowing that the loophole might get patched I did unlock the bootloader but have remained stock, lurking in the rom threads until something compelling arises that make me root and leave stock behind. By the way I must thank you because you have helped so many of us in these guides.
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I'll give a more complete answer later tonight when I get home.
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Just the ability to cut off most ads with AdAway is compelling enough for me to root, even if it voids the warranty.
Cannot stand all the crass obnoxious ads.
The smartphone hardware is amazingly reliable nowadays, once it survives the infant mortality phase (initial failures). I figure the 30 day return period is there for infant mortality, if the phone makes it past that it is extremely likely to survive 2 years. Especially a phone like the V30 with IP68 and some MIL-STD-810 ruggedness. So in my opinion the warranty risk assumed by rooting is very slight.
(Just spilled milk on my V30S yesterday. Rinsed it off, let it dry, good to go. )
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In case of forgotten WiFi password, Wifi generator will need root and help you see your saved SSID & passwords. If you have a custom kernel, play with CPU governors either for balanced performance/battery life (Does different CPU governors responsible for the UI smoothness but reduce battery life by a few minutes?) I'll take software smoothness over battery life anyday since I carry a powerbank. BBS app needs root to check the wakelocks so that we know what's draining the battery. LG for life. Innovates awesomeness and doesn't copy others is like MERCEDES-BENZ. The Best Or Nothing.
1) Philosophy of ownership.
You paid several hundred dollars for this small handheld computer. And if you are not the "administrator", then you don't really own it. Someone else does, either the manufacturer or the carrier.
In large companies, at all the workplace desktop computers, none of the regular workers are allowed to be "admin" or "administrator". The company doesn't want you installing your own software or uninstalling their software. They often have software to track the computer usage, as it's THEIR computer anyway. You have no rights, no expectation of privacy. You are using their hardware.
At HOME, you are the admin of your own personal computer. You can do whatever you wish. Should be the same with your smartphone.
1.5 years ago Samsung sent a BRICK command via OTA update to their Galaxy 7 Note phones on purpose, to force people to return those phones for a different model. No, not all Galaxy 7 phones had the battery flaw, but Samsung deemed it in THEIR best interest to take back all the Galaxy 7 Note phones and replace them with older Galaxy S7 or S7+ phones. This was only possible because Samsung still REALLY OWNED those phones, even though people had paid several hundred dollars to USE them. Until your phone is rooted, someone else owns the phone.
2) MORE FEATURES
Better audio (Viper, etc), HIM mode on ALL headphones, Wi-Fi passwords remembered and viewable, scheduled auto reboots to clear out RAM and start the day fresh, free ad blocking without having to use VPN. You can install a volume control app that will give you 30 or even 100 volume steps. You can install an xposed mod that will let you change the idiotic battery icons in the status bar.
3) TWRP CUSTOM RECOVERY
The ability to make frequent backups that you can restore in a few minutes is an amazing feature itself. It's like having a time machine to go back before you made a mistake.
You can also use TWRP to flash/install apps and mods to make your phone more fun. Install the fonts/emojis of Android P NOW.
4) TITANIUM BACKUP
Gives you "system level" control to backup and restore previous versions of apps. You can also make some user apps be "system" apps to give them more power (like a camera or volume control app) or you can completely uninstall "system" apps a carrier installed for THEIR benefit, not yours (i.e. bloatware, which they make money on).
MORE later. I have to go to work.
There are workarounds to give you some similar features of root like VPN ad blocking -- but in doing speed tests I have higher pings (more lag) as all data is going through a VPN network before I see it. Pure root is just better, for some many reasons.
So I been a long time Android user and all my devices had always been rooted. Recently I been having this dilemma that with how hard is getting to root devices like huawei or some other devices and with the issue of warranty, also the fact that almost every custom ROM has Bugs and issues some minors some a bit more concerning like cameras not working reboots etc. I tried many different ROMs before with my other devices and honestly they all had issues sometimes even worse then the original ROM constants flashing for the fixes and factory resets etc. Even with custom kernels and stock ROMs with stock kernels rooting wasn't making real sense. To be able to modify my kernel settings for what 20 minutes more of sot with lag or reboots, oc for what reason to have my phone over heat? To erase bloatware? I can disable them and through adb with our rooting. Before it made sense because Android was a young os and many things need root to be applied but now Im not sure . Do the benefits supersede the cost and time?
So my question is: does it really makes sense to root Android at this point ?
I agree, every android phone I had was rooted the day it came out of the box. Since I have a Huawei device, for me there is no more reason for rooting. Also the trouble isn't worth the risk anymore. No big benefits.
The main reason for me is adaway and lucky patcher but the time I'm spending to read posts on xda is really big because I'm scared to brake anything I would only recommend it if it's fun to you to play around with this kind of stuff and you are willing to spend time and risk your phone probably
Ebrathul said:
The main reason for me is adaway and lucky patcher but the time I'm spending to read posts on xda is really big because I'm scared to brake anything I would only recommend it if it's fun to you to play around with this kind of stuff and you are willing to spend time and risk your phone probably
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I agree with you, I would spend so much time before reading and making sure that I wasn't going to hardbrick my device that it is very hard to keep doing it, I already hardbrick another huawei phone and it basically was left useless, after everything went fine with rooting and custom kernel it turn on boot normally then all of a sudden it didn't turn back on , only on fastboot mode, never found a way to recover it. Like you said if you have a spare device it's cool I even use to cook my own ROMs and cherry pick things I liked from source code but that was with devices like the htc m8 which was alot more developer friendly.
Ebrathul said:
The main reason for me is adaway and lucky patcher but the time I'm spending to read posts on xda is really big because I'm scared to brake anything I would only recommend it if it's fun to you to play around with this kind of stuff and you are willing to spend time and risk your phone probably
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For adds I use virtual hosts app. No root needed, just the app and a hosts file on your sd card.
Sent from my HUAWEI ALP-L29 using XDA Labs
there is literally no other logic to root your device in modern times other than to get viper 4 android or james dsp.
in olden days i used to root ....to get full screen usage on device by hiding navigation bar ...like immersive mode etc....but now they have gesture navigation .....
. stock headphones audio controls/quality on each and every phone is "****" as compared to V4A .... and this thing this issue of inferiority will always remain...
custom roms are buggy....i have nevver ever come across a single custom rom in the past 7 years .... which didn't have bugs..... no matter how stable they claim it is/was .
coming towards huawei....at least they updated these kirin970 devices much much earlier than samsung phone flagship ones.... which released after..... these mates and honors ....
greatgrandking said:
there is literally no other logic to root your device in modern times other than to get viper 4 android or james dsp.
in olden days i used to root ....to get full screen usage on device by hiding navigation bar ...like immersive mode etc....but now they have gesture navigation .....
. stock headphones audio controls/quality on each and every phone is "****" as compared to V4A .... and this thing this issue of inferiority will always remain...
custom roms are buggy....i have nevver ever come across a single custom rom in the past 7 years .... which didn't have bugs..... no matter how stable they claim it is/was .
coming towards huawei....at least they updated these kirin970 devices much much earlier than samsung phone flagship ones.... which released after..... these mates and honors ....
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I totally agree, I have never ever come across a custom ROMs that isn't buggy they all have bugs and there's always something that you have to lose in terms of stock functionality in order to make them work. I'm really digging huawei devices even tho they have taken that Stand on the bootloader .
Almost all new browsers have ad block included so ads don't bother me in my use of the device. I had OP6 b4 and it was rooted and I personally can't see any difference in day2day use between rooted and non rooted device.
just wish there was an easy way to put the phone in airplane mode without root
Gremio1903 said:
Almost all new browsers have ad block included so ads don't bother me in my use of the device. I had OP6 b4 and it was rooted and I personally can't see any difference in day2day use between rooted and non rooted device.
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I personally use brave browser which is a great super fast browser and it has tons of ad blocking option as well as sync between pc and the phone and it's not resource hungry like chrome. It's a great browser i really haven't found any good reason for rooting this mate 10 pro. Besides reading so many people bricking the **** out of this phone is just not worth my time.
Another thing: Ability to clock down CPU to save battery.
somebully said:
Another thing: Ability to clock down CPU to save battery.
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Yeah that's a must on a 9-10h SoT phone