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From many many different threads and frankly confusing instructions I think I have puzzled together the following solid guideline for my kindle fire hdx from basic root to custom rom. Currently my firmware is 13.3.1.0.
Could someone take a look at this and tell me if I got this right or if I need to do stuff differently (or could do them better)? Don't assume that something is obvious, if it isn't written down, don't be shy to mention it. I would be ever so grateful .
Edit: I'm updating my experience as I move along the list and get more info just in case this might be useful to someone who is just as lost as I was in the beginning
Obligatory disclaimer: this is just a step-by-step guideline that worked for me. I'm not responsible if you chose to follow any of these steps and damage or brick your device.
Guideline:
-Download firmware version 3.2.3.2 and upgrade directly from any of the previous version by putting the file into the internal storage of the kindle, going to settings>device>system update on the kindle and installing the update from there.
-Root with Towelroot in the HDX toolkit downloaded from here (Edit: I got various error messages at this step but got it to work in the end. The 3rd post here shows what I did to get it working after getting error message 2 and 3 at various times)
-block OTA also with the tool in the HDX toolkit (is there a way to safely check that this worked? Edit: It worked )
-connect to wifi and install Flashify from the playstore (Edit: I ended up installing File Expert and flashify on another android device, backing up the flashify apk and sideloading it with ES File Explorer from the amazon app store to the kindle, I guess I could have also download the apk somewhere but I have trust issues.)
-download the img of TWRP 2.8.5.0. and put it in internal storage of kindle (had no problems)
-use flashify to save original stock recovery (had no problems)
-Use flashify to flash TWRP (had no problems)
- Boot into recovery mode via flashify to see if it worked (had no problems)
Now either A)
-download CM11 image and gapps and put the zip files on internal storage
-Edit: disconnect Kindle from USB afterwards
- go into TWRP recovery mode (by powering off kindle and then pressing power and volume at the same time)
- make backup of original stockrom under backups and save copy on your Computer
- wipe system, data, cache and dalvik cache under wipe/advanced (all except internal)
- flash cm11 image and gapps (under install and then find them in the files)
- reboot
-Edit: I had the wifi not connecting problem that some people have with CM11 but a reboot took care of it.
-Edit 2: I couldn't get the kindle app to work on CM11 (it wouldn't synch my books, the device wasn't recognized by amazon and it would crash every time I logged in.) so I ended up replacing it with the Nexus rom. If the chance of this happening doesn't bother you then CM11 seems to still be a good choice.
or B)
- download HDX thor nexus rom and gapps and put the zip files on internal storage
- go into TWRP recovery mode (by powering off kindle and then pressing power and volume at the same time)
- make backup of original stockrom under backups and save copy on your Computer
- wipe system, data, cache and dalvik cache under wipe/advanced (all except internal)
- Edit: disconnect Kindle from USB afterwards
- flash nexus rom and gapps (under install and then find them in the files)
- reboot
- Edit: I'm very happy with it, it works flawlessly. Since it's based on Jelly Bean I may try replacing it with another rom sometime in the future, but I'm in no hurry
Mostly correct, you can update directly to 3.2.3.2 no need for incremental steps. The only way to know if ota blocker worked is to check for update but there's really no need, as soon as you've run towel root just disable WiFi as it won't be needed anymore.
Where is unlock bootloader? As I know, you cannot flash TWRP without unlocking bootloader?!
uhraman said:
Where is unlock bootloader? As I know, you cannot flash TWRP without unlocking bootloader?!
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You can flash a cuber signed TWRP on a locked bootloader, as long as you're below 3.2.4.
derpadoodle said:
You can flash a cuber signed TWRP on a locked bootloader, as long as you're below 3.2.4.
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Thanks for your replies! Is the method uhraman hinted at the better one?
snorklm said:
Thanks for your replies! Is the method uhraman hinted at the better one?
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Fully unlocking your bootloader is definitely worthwhile but it's quite a complicated endeavour and not required for running the current custom recoveries and ROMs. I'd recommend you stick with your current method and read up on the unlocking process once you're more conformable working with this device.
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Fully unlocking your bootloader is definitely worthwhile but it's quite a complicated endeavour and not required for running the current custom recoveries and ROMs. I'd recommend you stick with your current method and read up on the unlocking process once you're more conformable working with this device.
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Could I bother you to give me a few examples on *why* it is worthwhile? Thanks!
snorklm said:
Could I bother you to give me a few examples on *why* it is worthwhile? Thanks!
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- more robust recovery options when recovery (TWRP) is damaged/inaccessible; better chance of reviving a bricked device
- some custom roms install/operate better with unlocked BL (technically should not be needed but sometimes seen in early builds)
- some DRM aware apps on custom roms work better with unlocked BL(eg: playstore, prime)
Guidance form derpadoodle is sound. Enjoy what you have achieved thus far; revisit BL unlock when you are more comfortable with device/technique.
Davey126 said:
- more robust recovery options when recovery (TWRP) is damaged/inaccessible; better chance of reviving a bricked device
- some custom roms install/operate better with unlocked BL (technically should not be needed but sometimes seen in early builds)
- some DRM aware apps on custom roms work better with unlocked BL(eg: playstore, prime)
Guidance form derpadoodle is sound. Enjoy what you have achieved thus far; revisit BL unlock when you are more comfortable with device/technique.
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Thanks for the sound advice, I will probably never feel comfortable enough for that , especially because I haven't achieved much at all yet. I haven't even flashed TWPR yet.
Yay, I did it. CM11 seems to be working as intended! Thanks again for everyone who replied and also to everyone who put so much work into making and improving all the tools and software necessary to make this kind of thing even possible, I appreciate it!
What firmware were you on to begin your process mate... ?
B3NJY said:
What firmware were you on to begin your process mate... ?
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I was on 3.0.5 when I got the device. Amazon didn't upgrade the firmware at all before sending it out, then I upgraded to 13.3.2.3. Why do you ask?
Hmm, I have now noticed that the kindle app is not working properly. I can sign in (though every time I sign in or deregister my account the app crashes) but it's not synching any of my books. They don't show up at all. The device (named android device 2 in the kindle app settings) does also not show up under my devices on amazon. Anyone know what the problem could be because this is a bit frustrating. Is this a bug with CM11 or with the amazon app?
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Hmm, I have now noticed that the kindle app is not working properly. I can sign in (though every time I sign in or deregister my account the app crashes) but it's not synching any of my books. They don't show up at all. The device (named android device 2 in the kindle app settings) does also not show up under my devices on amazon. Anyone know what the problem could be because this is a bit frustrating. Is this a bug with CM11 or with the amazon app?
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Can't say definitively but I would lean towards CM11 as all Amazon apps (kindle/prime/shopping/video) work fine with the Nexus ROM (v2.0.5) which is layered on the same hw/fw base as CM11. Don't get me wrong; CM11 (and the devs who adapted to the HDX) are great! But there may still be a few hiccups with native Amazon apps.
Davey126 said:
Can't say definitively but I would lean towards CM11 as all Amazon apps (kindle/prime/shopping/video) work fine with the Nexus ROM (v2.0.5) which is layered on the same hw/fw base as CM11. Don't get me wrong; CM11 (and the devs who adapted to the HDX) are great! But there may still be a few hiccups with native Amazon apps.
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Thanks for the opinion! I couldn't find any solution to the problem anywhere online and therefore just finished replacing CM11 with the Nexus rom, now the kindle app works perfectly fine and I'm very satisfied with what I've got. I will keep an eye out on rom development but for now I'm resting on my laurels :victory:. Considering that I was helplessly lost when I first came to the board I'm very happy with how smoothly everything went. But I really needed that step-by-step list I made and the assurance from the pros that it was correct, otherwise I would have probably made a careless mistake :silly:. Maybe it will be useful to a few other newbies as well. Not sure I will ever dare to fully unlock the bootloader like some suggested I might want to do at a later point in time, but we will see . Thanks again for the help!
snorklm said:
Thanks for the opinion! I couldn't find any solution to the problem anywhere online and therefore just finished replacing CM11 with the Nexus rom, now the kindle app works perfectly fine and I'm very satisfied with what I've got. I will keep an eye out on rom development but for now I'm resting on my laurels :victory:. Considering that I was helplessly lost when I first came to the board I'm very happy with how smoothly everything went. But I really needed that step-by-step list I made and the assurance from the pros that it was correct, otherwise I would have probably made a careless mistake :silly:. Maybe it will be useful to a few other newbies as well. Not sure I will ever dare to fully unlock the bootloader like some suggested I might want to do at a later point in time, but we will see . Thanks again for the help!
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Glad to hear everything is working well! My daily driver is on Nexus and I could not be happier. Everything works as it should. No need to unlock the bootloader unless you plan to do more modding. Enjoy your device!
Nice. I think everybody needs this kind of guide. Whenever a question is asked it just kind of trails off most of the time.
I'm still working on the downgrade piece.
johnwaters said:
Nice. I think everybody needs this kind of guide. Whenever a question is asked it just kind of trails off most of the time.
I'm still working on the downgrade piece.
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Agreed, I was overwhelmed by all the different threads and possibilities at first. I ended up approaching it like any other research project for a paper or presentation and dumped every solid (and recent) piece of good advice into Evernote and sorting it out there. But writing and updating guides (especially with the fast development I have observed) would be a lot of work, I understand completely why no one would volunteer to do it and everybody would rather answer questions on a case by case basis.
First of all thank you very much! I was looking for something like this, since i am also new to rooting devices and this stuff...
I got a new fire hdx 7 with 13.3.02
I haven't tried anything yet, I am still reading threads and i got some questions here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hdx/general/update-1314-4-1-1-probably-sangria-t2901813
-> I can only find 3.2.3.2 here, which is the firmware u used? Or did you mean another one?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2665683
-> the second link for hdx toolkit isnt working
How do i get the playstore on my device?
are there anywhere more informations regarding flashify? since i have no idea what this is...
thank you!
dynein said:
First of all thank you very much! I was looking for something like this, since i am also new to rooting devices and this stuff...
I got a new fire hdx 7 with 13.3.02
I haven't tried anything yet, I am still reading threads and i got some questions here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hdx/general/update-1314-4-1-1-probably-sangria-t2901813
-> I can only find 3.2.3.2 here, which is the firmware u used? Or did you mean another one?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2665683
-> the second link for hdx toolkit isnt working
How do i get the playstore on my device?
are there anywhere more informations regarding flashify? since i have no idea what this is...
thank you!
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First thing you want to do is block OTA (over the air updates) or your device may be upgraded by Amazon to a level that gives you less options. Suggest using HDX Toolkit (here) to both root and block OTA. Then install twrp (here). From there you can opt to replace Fire OS will several different roms including Nexus, CM11 or CM12.
Flashify is an app that allows flashing recovery and roms from from within Android vs adb or a recovery environment. You can grab it from the Play store or another market. It's a dangerous tool; use with extreme caution.
Be aware that any of the above actions, if executed incorrectly, can permanently brick your device with little/no hope of recovery (guess that's the definition of permanent). Read, read and read some more before taking any action. Be sure to keep WiFi off on your device until OTA is blocked to prevent auto-updates.
Don't forget to hit the thanks button.
http://superstarmobility.weebly.com/
New thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/development/twrp-m1-lg-k7-t3462130.
(Above TWRP can be flashed with Flashify from Playstore)
Instructions from video:
With phone powered off, hold POWER and VOLUME DOWN buttons until LG logo shows. Release POWER then quickly press and hold again until factory reset menu comes up. Select YES and you will be booted into recovery instead of a factory reset ; )
Thanks @czarsuperstar!
V2 with the proper cmd line from m1 aka LG K7
Reserved.
This the real deal?
goitalone said:
This the real deal?
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Of course. You looked at the video?
goitalone said:
This the real deal?
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I've used it and can confirm, first tested it with fastboot without flashing of course(use adb to get to the bootloader: adb reboot bootloader , then fastboot:fastboot boot "twrp.img file, tested then rebooted into bootloader, then flashed via fastboot:fastboot flash "twrp.img file") instructions are for any random person that come by i know you know how to do all this
concerned xda citizen
what are the boardconfig.mk file contents that you used to compile this recovery?
the fact youre using a ghetto hacked twrp that works is fine, but id prefer an actual device specific twrp version that will reliably work - theres no telling what this twrp can do to your device, and the fact youre using another devices ramdisk scares the hell out of me.
ramdisks arent something you play around with - you can seriously ruin someones device like that.
also requesting the twrp fstab file youve used.
youre literally just throwing files at users that have perviously bricked their devices and not explaining in detail what they consist of.
if you seriously damage any of these user's device partitions by overwriting the wrong partition, are you going to pay for the devices when theyre hardbricked and no longer responsive to the oem flashing?
not once have a even seen a warning on these files yet youre just posting forum to forum; not to mention youre inexperienced at rom/kernel/recovery compiling for the fact you think its okay to just throw a different devices ramdisk in there " because it just works." when we have readily available source for our device.
legally- youre held responsible for these files youre distributing.
and to those just flashing this twrp file to their device, yes its reversible - but would you want to find out it doesnt work when its too late? IE backing up partitions in the wrong order, and restoring them into the wrong partitions? the video shows it backs up and restores, but is it doing so in the right order? in the right places. i may be ranting but id rather be careful/safe then sorry.
not one detail of this compile/build has been released, just a link that is claimed to work.
"left sock fits on right, doesnt feel right - but my feet aren't cold!" is how this feels to me.
i was sketched to even test this twrp version considering you need to tell the factory reset "yes, i want to wipe" twice, in order to boot to twrp.
idk about you but ive never seen any recovery warrant those options. normally twrp would just boot upon button combo - which is why im sharing this post. recoveries arent supposed to be functioning that way.
NASSTYROME said:
what are the boardconfig.mk file contents that you used to compile this recovery?
the fact youre using a ghetto hacked twrp that works is fine, but id prefer an actual device specific twrp version that will reliably work - theres no telling what this twrp can do to your device, and the fact youre using another devices ramdisk scares the hell out of me.
ramdisks arent something you play around with - you can seriously ruin someones device like that.
also requesting the twrp fstab file youve used.
youre literally just throwing files at users that have perviously bricked their devices and not explaining in detail what they consist of.
if you seriously damage any of these user's device partitions by overwriting the wrong partition, are you going to pay for the devices when theyre hardbricked and no longer responsive to the oem flashing?
not once have a even seen a warning on these files yet youre just posting forum to forum; not to mention youre inexperienced at rom/kernel/recovery compiling for the fact you think its okay to just throw a different devices ramdisk in there " because it just works." when we have readily available source for our device.
legally- youre held responsible for these files youre distributing.
and to those just flashing this twrp file to their device, yes its reversible - but would you want to find out it doesnt work when its too late? IE backing up partitions in the wrong order, and restoring them into the wrong partitions? the video shows it backs up and restores, but is it doing so in the right order? in the right places. i may be ranting but id rather be careful/safe then sorry.
not one detail of this compile/build has been released, just a link that is claimed to work.
"left sock fits on right, doesnt feel right - but my feet aren't cold!" is how this feels to me.
i was sketched to even test this twrp version considering you need to tell the factory reset "yes, i want to wipe" twice, in order to boot to twrp.
idk about you but ive never seen any recovery warrant those options. normally twrp would just boot upon button combo - which is why im sharing this post. recoveries arent supposed to be functioning that way.
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The first twrp was from a htc phone. This is from lg leon lte. Same manufacturer. I used my boot.img dumped on my sdcard and used the ramdisk from Twrp Leon aka c50 the leon twrp is missing the options seen on this one. Don't use it. But I'm working on cm_m1 so continue to use the old one and when your phone can't come on have fun getting in recovery. Make it better.
Recovery log
Make a log.
NASSTYROME said:
what are the boardconfig.mk file contents that you used to compile this recovery?
the fact youre using a ghetto hacked twrp that works is fine, but id prefer an actual device specific twrp version that will reliably work - theres no telling what this twrp can do to your device, and the fact youre using another devices ramdisk scares the hell out of me.
ramdisks arent something you play around with - you can seriously ruin someones device like that.
also requesting the twrp fstab file youve used.
youre literally just throwing files at users that have perviously bricked their devices and not explaining in detail what they consist of.
if you seriously damage any of these user's device partitions by overwriting the wrong partition, are you going to pay for the devices when theyre hardbricked and no longer responsive to the oem flashing?
not once have a even seen a warning on these files yet youre just posting forum to forum; not to mention youre inexperienced at rom/kernel/recovery compiling for the fact you think its okay to just throw a different devices ramdisk in there " because it just works." when we have readily available source for our device.
legally- youre held responsible for these files youre distributing.
and to those just flashing this twrp file to their device, yes its reversible - but would you want to find out it doesnt work when its too late? IE backing up partitions in the wrong order, and restoring them into the wrong partitions? the video shows it backs up and restores, but is it doing so in the right order? in the right places. i may be ranting but id rather be careful/safe then sorry.
not one detail of this compile/build has been released, just a link that is claimed to work.
"left sock fits on right, doesnt feel right - but my feet aren't cold!" is how this feels to me.
i was sketched to even test this twrp version considering you need to tell the factory reset "yes, i want to wipe" twice, in order to boot to twrp.
idk about you but ive never seen any recovery warrant those options. normally twrp would just boot upon button combo - which is why im sharing this post. recoveries arent supposed to be functioning that way.
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Check out the LG L70 it's the same way to get in recovery. This must be your first LG phone.
i dont care whether its the same way to enter recovery, my care is youre using another phone's ramdisk in this device.
"I used my boot.img dumped on my sdcard and used the ramdisk from Twrp Leon aka c50 the leon"
post twrp.fstab and boardconfig.mk youve used for this "twrp" build.
this must be your first posting for development on an unsupported device.
as for anyone using another device's files when we have access to source of our own device - i wouldnt trust them to build anything, let alone CM. thats just pure shortcutting and laziness .. and at what expense?
as for twrp making this official, they wont - as you cannot provide SOURCE.
So, now, hopefully you've compiled TWRP for your device and gotten it working. Now, you'd like to know how to get TWRP officially supported for your device so that it can be installed automatically with GooManager. In order for us to add "official support" for your device we'll need the following:
1) Device configuration files to compile TWRP from source for your device. This means that you cannot have repacked a recovery.img by hand to get it working. We need to be able to compile it from source so that we can easily release future updates.
2) A copy of a build prop for your device (it's in /system/build.prop) so that we can add the correct device information to GooManager
3) We'll build a copy of TWRP and send it to you for validation. Once you've validated that we can build a working image for your device, we'll add it to GooManager.
Go spam the other thread. Over 200 downloads and no problems but there was problems right away with the first version. For your info download Twrp c50 from the Twrp site examine it and ask why it's incomplete. That's why I linked the video of the Twrp from the site and same problems. Bye and leave me be. Hd2 check it out. Czarsuperstar's HTC HD2 android custom roms. Check it out and leave me alone. Thanks for your concern. Oh and for your info we have the same keyboard configuration as the LG Leon. There's a device tree. Google it. Google is your friend bro.
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i dont care whether its the same way to enter recovery, my care is youre using another phone's ramdisk in this device.
"I used my boot.img dumped on my sdcard and used the ramdisk from Twrp Leon aka c50 the leon"
post twrp.fstab and boardconfig.mk youve used for this "twrp" build.
this must be your first posting for development on an unsupported device.
as for anyone using another device's files when we have access to source of our own device - i wouldnt trust them to build anything, let alone CM. thats just pure shortcutting and laziness .. and at what expense?
as for twrp making this official, they wont - as you cannot provide SOURCE.
So, now, hopefully you've compiled TWRP for your device and gotten it working. Now, you'd like to know how to get TWRP officially supported for your device so that it can be installed automatically with GooManager. In order for us to add "official support" for your device we'll need the following:
1) Device configuration files to compile TWRP from source for your device. This means that you cannot have repacked a recovery.img by hand to get it working. We need to be able to compile it from source so that we can easily release future updates.
2) A copy of a build prop for your device (it's in /system/build.prop) so that we can add the correct device information to GooManager
3) We'll build a copy of TWRP and send it to you for validation. Once you've validated that we can build a working image for your device, we'll add it to GooManager.
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not saying a official twrp isn't preferable, but man you got to learn how to talk to people, you were just short of cursing the dude out, and as far as the recovery the thing is solid(tested backup, flash and restore/ anyhow we got LGUP if you **** up so its not a huge deal), but anyone on this site shouldn't take someones word for things like recovery's and you should always test boot before you flash, also you don't seem to understand the first rule of xda-whatever happens to your device is on you, been that way since the og day's- talking politely to others is the way to go about things, people wont listen if you combative.
Kernel
Im building the kernel from source right now check out the video on Twitter. Anyone that wants to join the development I am down with it.
Didn't work, after selecting yes twice, my phone just starts like normal, doesn't go to TWRP or factory restore, it is there though because I can boot to it from the flashify app, ah well.
wait...my bad, I was highlighting the wrong one, lol, works great, thanks
Assuming it ever worked right it should work better now because you can always get to it.
As for concerns about the ramdisk I don't see any issues with that, it's just being used to boot and run recovery on if I'm not mistaken and apparently where the buttons get enabled so a necessity.
Considering many phones have such hacked together recoverys and many more have no custom recovery I'm thankful to have it particularly since most of my work is done away from my pc.
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Assuming it ever worked right it should work better now because you can always get to it.
As for concerns about the ramdisk I don't see any issues with that, it's just being used to boot and run recovery on if I'm not mistaken and apparently where the buttons get enabled so a necessity.
Considering many phones have such hacked together recoverys and many more have no custom recovery I'm thankful to have it particularly since most of my work is done away from my pc.
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Thanks for report. The other Twrp w/o the button combo was from a HTC phone lol and I am getting blasted. HTC or LG? LG K7. ... LG.
[email protected] said:
Thanks for report. The other Twrp w/o the button combo was from a HTC phone lol and I am getting blasted. HTC or LG? LG K7. ... LG.
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Right and that's why the buttons didn't work. Great job! Best discovery yet for this phone, so happy that we can restore now withoit adb and withoit having to worry about debugging getting turn off, very essential find. Don't let those that don't understand get you down.
callihn said:
Right and that's why the buttons didn't work. Great job! Best discovery yet for this phone, so happy that we can restore now withoit adb and withoit having to worry about debugging getting turn off, very essential find. Don't let those that don't understand get you down.
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I'm working on building it from source but keep getting errors and I'm trying it with another device that has Twrp (Moto E 2015) and followed the directions to the T and no luck. So I am trying......... Will let everyone know how it's going.
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Im building the kernel from source right now check out the video on Twitter. Anyone that wants to join the development I am down with it.
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kernel??????????????????????????
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UPDATED 2/19/2018
Almost enough here to start attempting debug builds... any other builders/devs out there working on this device? Hopefully some of this will be useful.
Minimal Omni device tree for TWRP (full lineage branch in progress as of 2/19/2018)
https://github.com/mightysween/android_device_motorola_payton
Proprietary blobs/vendor (initial push 2/19/2018):
https://github.com/mightysween/android_vendor_motorola_payton
Partition names/locations/mounts...maybe a few missing still:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EkPOkc8uUStKIjRGC2-4jkcXpxmj8v3piGPqZi9ctQM/edit?usp=drivesdk
7.1 KERNEL SOURCE:
https://github.com/MotorolaMobilityLLC/kernel-msm/tree/7.1.1-nougat-release-payton
8.0 KERNEL SOURCE:
https://github.com/MotorolaMobilityLLC/kernel-msm/releases/tag/MMI-OPW27.57-40
So what's the deal with the A/B partitions? I've seen that there are some lineage OS commits to handle the A/B partitions. Would it be possible to load an OS to the A partition and put the recovery on the B partition. I'm not familiar enough to know how much control of the boot process we can have with boot time commands. Does the bootloader have a boot to recovery option?
There doesn't seem to be a recovery partition in the list that you provided. I wonder what the fastboot commands look like... just thinking out loud on the internet. I don't have the phone yet, but I did have a look at Best Buy, so that practically makes me an expert. I have a N5X, so I'm lining up the successor for after its sudden, but inevitable betrayal.
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So what's the deal with the A/B partitions? I've seen that there are some lineage OS commits to handle the A/B partitions. Would it be possible to load an OS to the A partition and put the recovery on the B partition. I'm not familiar enough to know how much control of the boot process we can have with boot time commands. Does the bootloader have a boot to recovery option?
There doesn't seem to be a recovery partition in the list that you provided. I wonder what the fastboot commands look like... just thinking out loud on the internet. I don't have the phone yet, but I did have a look at Best Buy, so that practically makes me an expert. I have a N5X, so I'm lining up the successor for after its sudden, but inevitable betrayal.
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There is no traditional recovery partition...handled by boot. A/B is mainly to allow 'seamless' updates (as in OTA that downloads to the other partition for instant reboot). Bit more to it... if you want to read more, check out the Pixel forums.
Well... progress is being made. Wish there were others (there must be!) working on this.
I have the stock kernel, a VERY basic device tree, and cobbled-together vendor... syncing repos and will try to compile TWRP over the weekend. I do not expect it to work
Dealing with this right now on brunch...runs fine up until this point, appreciate any thoughts:
Starting build with ninja
ninja: Entering directory `.'
ninja: error: '/home/mightysween/android/omni/out/target/product/payton/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libcryptfs_hw_intermediates/export_includes', needed by '/home/mightysween/android/omni/out/target/product/payton/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libcryptfslollipop_intermediates/import_includes', missing and no known rule to make it
build/core/ninja.mk:157: recipe for target 'ninja_wrapper' failed
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Do I really need the lollipop libs???? Especially if I just want to compile TWRP and not full omni. Ahhhhhhh....so much fun
OK, got TWRP to compile
Need to do some testing in the emulator and double and triple check all sources and configs before even thinking about trying to boot it on the actual device.
But just troubleshooting at this point, so looking good for TWRP in coming days!
UPDATE: oops, totally compiled it with the wrong kernel. Haha... working through some defconfig issues, but hopefully nothing too crazy.
mightysween said:
OK, got TWRP to compile
Need to do some testing in the emulator and double and triple check all sources and configs before even thinking about trying to boot it on the actual device.
But just troubleshooting at this point, so looking good for TWRP in coming days!
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I hope you can do it! Is the first step to get backups and ROMs. I don´t have the phone yet, but later the normal version that is sell in México and want to flash the Android One version (previously anyone get it working).
I'm returning my Amazon version of this phone and getting Project Fi version. I am willing to help in testing.
Well, my boot.img compiles fine... but will not boot to recovery. Given the fact that it is mostly guesswork on the device tree, I am not shocked.
Pushed my working tree to GitHub and will keep working on it...
https://github.com/mightysween/android_device_motorola_payton
Been looking at Pixel 2 TWRP Alpha... holy cow. So much more to it with this partitioning scheme.
mightysween said:
Well, my boot.img compiles fine... but will not boot to recovery. Given the fact that it is mostly guesswork on the device tree, I am not shocked.
Pushed my working tree to GitHub and will keep working on it...
https://github.com/mightysween/android_device_motorola_payton
Been looking at Pixel 2 TWRP Alpha... holy cow. So much more to it with this partitioning scheme.
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Have not even peeked into the Pixel 2 forums. I'm afraid this seems to be another ballgame entirely. Do the new Pixel owners even have root passing safety net while allowing these security updates new android phones now get? Gah this is a mess
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Have not even peeked into the Pixel 2 forums. I'm afraid this seems to be another ballgame entirely. Do the new Pixel owners even have root passing safety net while allowing these security updates new android phones now get? Gah this is a mess
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TWRP has been worked on for Pixel2 by several people, including expert Dees Troy, and is still a heavy alpha. I feel pretty good about booting compiled boot images and not bricking on x4 (as far as I have gotten)
I have been compiling my own stuff for many years, and yes -- this new stuff is foreign. But, we will all learn and in a few weeks/months, there will be plenty of action on this device
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TWRP has been worked on for Pixel2 by several people, including expert Dees Troy, and is still a heavy alpha. I feel pretty good about booting compiled boot images and not bricking on x4 (as far as I have gotten)
I have been compiling my own stuff for many years, and yes -- this new stuff is foreign. But, we will all learn and in a few weeks/months, there will be plenty of action on this device
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try using fixes from https://github.com/TeamWin/android_device_xiaomi_tissot tree. similar android one device!!
i.snehal.kiran said:
try using fixes from https://github.com/TeamWin/android_device_xiaomi_tissot tree. similar android one device!!
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Thanks, picked up 3 changes from here already... will test them out soon!
So, I have checked out several XDA threads on this Xiaomi device (tissot) and I think it is going to help quite a bit with the A/B issues.
I am still, unfortunately stuck on getting TWRP to boot. Boot.img compiles fine and I can extract it and see TWRP has replaced stock recovery in the ramdisk, but it will not boot into recovery.
Ideally, we need a way to boot a TWRP image without flashing anything... easier said than done with devices that have recovery baked into the boot image. But once that works, we can extract just the ramdisk from my build and write a script to patch it into the stock boot image from the temporary TWRP running on the device.
Progress! New TWRP thread coming soon...
BTW, there is still a long way to go here... this was just a rudimentary test to get TWRP to boot. Need to start totally fresh with partitions before there is any attempt to actually use it!
Also -- my build environment is a total cluster after weeks of messing around. I need to wipe it and start over. That alone will take me a few days, and TWRP might take a few weeks more.
Incredible! Looking forward to having a custom recovery!
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Progress! New TWRP thread coming soon...
BTW, there is still a long way to go here... this was just a rudimentary test to get TWRP to boot. Need to start totally fresh with partitions before there is any attempt to actually use it!
Also -- my build environment is a total cluster after weeks of messing around. I need to wipe it and start over. That alone will take me a few days, and TWRP might take a few weeks more.
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I hope later we can flash the Android One firmware on the retail Moto X4, I supose that OTA update will not work but at least we will have the lastest updates if someone make a flashable version
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I hope later we can flash the Android One firmware on the retail Moto X4, I supose that OTA update will not work but at least we will have the lastest updates if someone make a flashable version
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At the very least, we have the ability to create "nandroid" style backup from A1 device. Theoretically, that could allow anyone to install it...
But yes, in the long run, hopefully the actual firmware is released
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At the very least, we have the ability to create "nandroid" style backup from A1 device. Theoretically, that could allow anyone to install it...
But yes, in the long run, hopefully the actual firmware is released
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Doesn't the nandroid (or for that matter Flashfire) backup contain personally unique identifiers?
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Doesn't the nandroid (or for that matter Flashfire) backup contain personally unique identifiers?
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Yes, technically... obviously would need to start with a fresh system and limit to non-data partitions.
No one needs to restore someone else's apps... just their boot/oem/system_image
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Yes, technically... obviously would need to start with a fresh system and limit to non-data partitions.
No one needs to restore someone else's apps... just their boot/oem/system_image
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This just came to my mind, since this phone has 2 partitions for boot etc. --
Code:
mmcblk0p44: boot_a SIZE:65536 blocks
mmcblk0p45: boot_b
can't we make backup of boot_b ? it will be same as boot_a but unmodified i think ? i mean, use magisk/cf-autoroot/whatever to gain root on boot_a. and make backup of boot_b. so in case if we want to receive update, just restore back boot_b.img to boot_a slot and update through ota ? that way we can practically make full backup which is unmodified. ofc this is until we have fastboot image available and working TWRP.
also it seems all x4's are having same kernel according to this thread. although their build time is different.
I know this isn't the correct forum but I've searched and haven't found anything and since this seems to be the closet device I was wondering if there is any development for this device yet or any rooting methods that may work
I looked as well. There does not seem to be any serious develop on the V530. I'm bootloader unlocked but no root or twrp that I could find.
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I looked as well. There does not seem to be any serious develop on the V530. I'm bootloader unlocked but no root or twrp that I could find.
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Thanks. I couldn't even get that far. Don't get me wrong it's a nice device but I'm sure a custom ROM would make it fly. Hopefully soon as more people get the device we'll see some development.
First thing first. Bootloader commands must be there.
If so, you just need TWRP
I'd also be very interested in rooting/custom rom for this device, as I moved to it from my Nexus 7 2013 that was very much showing it's age. It's almost painful being on a stock rom from a 3rd party at this point. I've searched through google and nobody seems to be taking much interest in this device. The same was true for the original xperia z tablet and it's got official lineageos support, so I remain hopeful.
love this thing
I would just love to root this beast. New to LG products, not new to rooting. Can anyone point me in the right direction on where to start?
Did you root t
widto08 said:
I would just love to root this beast. New to LG products, not new to rooting. Can anyone point me in the right direction on where to start?
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Did you ever get this tablet rooted.. I. Can't find any information about this device online it's like it they never made it
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Did you ever get this tablet rooted.. I. Can't find any information about this device online it's like it they never made it
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I am having problems even booting into bootloader on this thing. I was able to boot into recovery mode but can't get out of the "no commands".
adb reboot recovery
adb reboot bootloader -> just reboots it.
It might be possible to use dirtyc0w exploit to get root access on this tablet.(nvm it seems our android version is already patched for that. )
I too have been able to get the bootloader unlocked but unable to find a version of TWRP or find any rooting tool that supports this device. Still holding out hope but this doesn't seem to be a super popular device :/
Hey guys! I bricked my tab and i need a stock kdz or system, recovery and boot.imgs! Does anyone have or can pull these file for me thanks in advance!
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I have rooted mine..if I had the stock system.img could you used that? This is what I did to obtain root..
Download the Lg download utility mode tool '''https://github.com/Lekensteyn/lglaf''
and the sources ''https://pycryptodome.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/installation.html'
Then open cmd in the folder and execute: python lglaf.py --debug --rawshell --cr -c '!S sh' <--- there might be an error message or laf_acess_denied but its okay.
re-enter the command: python lglaf.py --debug --rawshell <--- this should open up an interactive shell..enter ls and see if it lists the files on the device then close the interactive shell
run python extract-partitions.py to get the stock boot.bin but change the file extension to .img
push the boot.img to the device, install magisk manager, patch the boot.img, pull img then flash with fastboot
Nice! We finally get root a couple days after a seemingly innocent fall off my bed wrecked my screen :crying:. Deciding on replacing it or getting a MediaPad M5.
tbh I've rooted this device since last month or so but I really didn't have time to make a tutorial
Is anyone able to pull there kdz? My tab is bricked and ive tried LG bridge and all others! Or the the imgs in need to go back to stock! Any help please! Thanks!
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tbh I've rooted this device since last month or so but I really didn't have time to make a tutorial
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I followed your comment and was able to root. May I use your process to make a tutorial? I will give you credit
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Thanks to Vincent_vann I have root. With this I can finally start building a custom TWRP for this tablet. I wish we had a forum for this device. I requested one last year but it still hasn't been made even though it was approved. If I get one built, and there isn't a dedicated forum, I'll post it in this thread.
Just built TWRP. I noticed some folks asking for stock recovery, boot, and system img files. I have recovery and boot img. Not sure where to post these though. Same with twrp. If someone has any reccomendations on how to go about this I'll gladly provide.
I have the Canadian variant (v533) and wouldn't mind giving TWRP a whirl on it. All specs are same so I think it'll work. Don't mind testing if you do get somewhere to post TWRP. Also good job on getting it compiled ?
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I have the Canadian variant (v533) and wouldn't mind giving TWRP a whirl on it. All specs are same so I think it'll work. Don't mind testing if you do get somewhere to post TWRP. Also good job on getting it compiled ?
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Thank you! Unfortunately with nougat file based encryption TWRP has issues with decrypting /data after the setup of the tablet. So it's working 50% which is annoying because you'll have to wipe data whenever you want to flash something. Not a big deal for roms, but very inconvenient for other zips. If you still want it let me know and I'll find a place. Else I'll be tackling the decryption issue this weekend.
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Thank you! Unfortunately with nougat file based encryption TWRP has issues with decrypting /data after the setup of the tablet. So it's working 50% which is annoying because you'll have to wipe data whenever you want to flash something. Not a big deal for roms, but very inconvenient for other zips. If you still want it let me know and I'll find a place. Else I'll be tackling the decryption issue this weekend.
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I think I'll wait until you try getting decryption working. I have a had many fights with that beast lol
Jambii1987 said:
I think I'll wait until you try getting decryption working. I have a had many fights with that beast lol
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Have any good resources you can recommend?
Hi
Quite bored of Oneplus updates for my Nord 2 5G that transforms more and more the phone in publicity support for OnePlus CEO messages, and adding features I don't care at all, I'm looking to flash it with an alternative ROM.
What is most stable and operational ROM for that device currently ? The version of the device I have is DN2103 (bought in Switzerland).
Thanks for your advices,
Vincèn
Tried them all. Evolution X is the most often updated and works the best for me.
Hey there!
I also need some much needed insight in how to continue with this device (DN2103 bought in NL, Europe; just updated from 11.A.14 to 11.A.21). I suspect I will probably need the same answer as OP is looking for.
This is my second OnePlus, I was using a OnePlus X before running my first and only ROM, Lineage OS, to be able to move on to Android 10. Then screen broke for the second time after I had already fixed up the whole phone myself before that using brand new parts (Screen, frame, backplate) except for the motherboard still original. So I decided it was time for a new device.
Really love the DN2103 itself, except for the whole rooting / OTA update process, although it was a good training in getting to know all the technicalities. I had been running rooted 11.A.14 since it came out till yesterday, because I was avoiding dealing with the whole process again.
Anyway I kicked myself under my butt and got myself to 11.A.21 now. I was planning to just continue updating OOS till the latest 11.C.10 / 11.C.13, because after all this effort, I'm too curious to not check out the new Android.
But I just happened to read some thread where people were saying that somewhere after 11.C.4 it's not possible anymore to get into fastboot / BROM mode and thus no means to get TWRP?? That sounds horrible, one mistake rooting and it would be a big mess, having to downgrade to OOS 11 again and bla bla bla, why the f...?
So, I just need to hear this from someone, is this correct? I'm too tired to investigate now myself after a 20h OTA/rooting session behind me and just 3h sleep.
And how is everyone dealing with it that wants root? Has everyone moved on to other ROMs for Android 12 / 13, because of this?
In the update process yesterday for some reason my phone did a complete wipe without asking / warning. So I really need to get to a stage in this update process where I can restore all my ****. I've been at this for 24h right now and was happy to do so as I was making steps. but now I suddenly got hit in the face by this news.
tl;dr PLEASE confirm/deny this news (underlined part above) and help me decide if the only comfortable way is to ditch OOS for a custom ROM to get Android 12 / 13 with root & TWRP. I've thrown 24 hours into OTA updating OOS 11, now got to 11.A.21, but phone somehow got wiped in process, so now I really need to finish upgrading and restore data, because I'm without all the apps / accounts etc. I depend on for daily life.
I do really enjoy the road but now I HATE being lost along the way. Show me the light and, if ROM, same question as OP
Sorry if a bit off-topic + long post...
Yes, you need to have android 11 to enter fastboot. I had 12 and had to downgrade. Trust me, this is the most fuked up thing.
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Yes, you need to have android 11 to enter fastboot. I had 12 and had to downgrade. Trust me, this is the most fuked up thing.
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Stop waiting for oneplus. There are great roms on android 13 that work very nice. What i am using is Evolution X. Tried them all and this is the one i stick to. Found no bugs, very consistent updates and the team as i see work very fast on every bug people find.
Btw, u dont need root to change rom, only if you want. I personally dont use root and works great.
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Tried them all. Evolution X is the most often updated and works the best for me.
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Thanks for the info, and noticed too in forum that it looks to be the most up-to-date and maintained ROM for DN2103 and it looks to have no more any blocking bugs such as Wifi or Bluetooth not working, or random reboots/crashes. I'm running right now version DN2103_11_C.12 with Android 12. Is it ok to upgrade to Evolution X straight ? as I see people speaking about downgrade first to Android 11 :/
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Stop waiting for oneplus. There are great roms on android 13 that work very nice. What i am using is Evolution X. Tried them all and this is the one i stick to. Found no bugs, very consistent updates and the team as i see work very fast on every bug people find.
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Thanks a lot for confirming! I'd already read the thread and indeed Evolution looks like the best option, so that's decided then. Wish me luck flashing the ROM
And about root, I really have some essential mods that need root. For example Advanced Charge Controller (I use it with the GUI app ACCA for convenience, else it's only terminal). I limit my charging by default to 80%, which translates in about a 4x increase in lifetime of the battery. On normal days I don't need any more than that, and it always has the option to charge to 100% if you know you're gonna have a long day without charging capabilities.
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Thanks for the info, and noticed too in forum that it looks to be the most up-to-date and maintained ROM for DN2103 and it looks to have no more any blocking bugs such as Wifi or Bluetooth not working, or random reboots/crashes. I'm running right now version DN2103_11_C.12 with Android 12. Is it ok to upgrade to Evolution X straight ? as I see people speaking about downgrade first to Android 11 :/
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As I understand, and as @wuttehhell just confirmed in this thread, once you update OxygenOS beyond Android 11, fastboot and BROM mode don't work anymore. This means you can't install a custom recovery like TWRP to flash a new ROM, neither can you flash it using fastboot.
This means you have to rollback to Android 11 first. Fortunately OnePlus has official rollback packages, which is just a .ZIP archive like any other update, except it will downgrade to a previous version. Warning: a rollback package will WIPE ALL DATA. So make sure to backup anything you need to keep before downgrading. The upside is you can do a clean flash of the ROM (flashing method where device gets wiped), which is the most stable method and gives you a fresh OS that will use less battery and such.
I think the process of downgrading itself is very simple though. If you get stuck let us know, there's many knowledgeable people here lucky for us so keep a positive attitude and with a little luck we'll both be running Evolution X in the coming days!
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As I understand, and as @wuttehhell just confirmed in this thread, once you update OxygenOS beyond Android 11, fastboot and BROM mode don't work anymore. This means you can't install a custom recovery like TWRP to flash a new ROM, neither can you flash it using fastboot.
This means you have to rollback to Android 11 first. Fortunately OnePlus has official rollback packages, which is just a .ZIP archive like any other update, except it will downgrade to a previous version. Warning: a rollback package will WIPE ALL DATA. So make sure to backup anything you need to keep before downgrading. The upside is you can do a clean flash of the ROM (flashing method where device gets wiped), which is the most stable method and gives you a fresh OS that will use less battery and such.
I think the process of downgrading itself is very simple though. If you get stuck let us know, there's many knowledgeable people here lucky for us so keep a positive attitude and with a little luck we'll both be running Evolution X in the coming days!
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@Releece thanks for the details and so if I have well understood the whole process:
backup datas
Downgrade to Android 11 using the OTA downgrade package and procedure from oneplus (which implies a full reset of device)
Reboot at least one tine in Android 11
Flash TWRP
Reboot in TWRP (be careful not to boot Android or I'll have to reflash TWRP)
Flash Evolution X zip
Boot normally and enjoy Evolution X
Am I correct ? I have seen also that the phone has the same annoying double "bank" when you flash it that I had on previous OnePlus phones. Does it imply I have to do each flashing process on both banks ?
Thanks
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@Releece thanks for the details and so if I have well understood the whole process:
backup datas
Downgrade to Android 11 using the OTA downgrade package and procedure from oneplus (which implies a full reset of device)
Reboot at least one tine in Android 11
Flash TWRP
Reboot in TWRP (be careful not to boot Android or I'll have to reflash TWRP)
Flash Evolution X zip
Boot normally and enjoy Evolution X
Am I correct ? I have seen also that the phone has the same annoying double "bank" when you flash it that I had on previous OnePlus phones. Does it imply I have to do each flashing process on both banks ?
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Yep that should do it, looks like you did your research and understand the process.
I had the same question earlier. Strangely I found that the Nord 2 does not have A / B partitioning. I can only detect an A-partition with apps designed to test it. I didn't have to do anything extra / another way while rooting with Magisk, OTA updates or flashing ROM. I thought A/B was enforced on all phones since Android 10 or sth, but apparently not all.
I would add one extra step, after you reboot into TWRP (before flashing the ROM) make a backup of all the individual partitions one by one (so you can restore any single partition in the future), even the tiniest ones.
Some contain calibration data for e.g. Bluetooth and fingerprint sensor that are specific to your device. Now this whole process should leave them untouched, but if anything ever happens to them, the only way to get your phone working again is to send your phone to a service centre, so it's a good idea to have everything backed up.
They will be stored in the TWRP folder in /sdcard/, which is the folder you can see on your PC. So after backing them all up, you can just copy them to your PC.
I successfully flashed Evolution yesterday, and all went well Initially the new Android 13 UI was a bit of a shock from what I was used to, but I'm starting to like it already, especially after going over the settings. And it works smooooth like butter. The only thing that annoyed me was the haptic feedback, which feels very mushy instead of snappy. But putting vibration strength to low helps a lot. Maybe I can find a way to modify it later.
I had one little hickup: Evolution install instructions say this for TWRP before flashing ROM:
"3. Tap [Wipe] , then [Format data]. type "yes" and Enter"
But when I did this, it removed the media folder at /data/media/ instead of just emptying it. I remember it gave me a pop-up saying something like, for /data/media/ to get populated I would probably need to boot to system. But if I would've done that stock would overwrite recovery.
I don't have a lot of knowledge about this, but this folder gets mounted to /sdcard/ and is where your internal storage is mounted to. So after the wipe I wanted to copy the ROM .zip to my phone using the file manager. Windows did recognize my phone as having internal storage, and I could open it, but it didn't see any file/folder/free space and I couldn't copy anything to it.
I solved it by renaming ROM to sth simple like evolution.zip, placing it inside platform-tools folder, and then using ADB push command, so it looked like:
ADB push C:/platform-tools/evolution.zip /data/
It doesn't give any feedback while copying and I didn't even see much disk usage on Windows task manager, so I was about to get nervous and close the terminal, but then it suddenly completed successfully and I could see the evolution.zip in TWRP file manager. After that flashing took just a few minutes and everything went perfect.
Now I don't know if it's maybe a typo in the instructions or if TWRP had a bug, but I don't think so as it specifically gave me a prompt about it. I think it's better to just tap [Wipe] and then do the usual factory reset slider, with data, dalvik and cache selected. Think I'll make a post later in the Evolution thread to ask.
Good luck!
Hi, I don´t like the colors on Oxygen OS. I don't know if it's cause by our screen or is something related with the ROM. In Samsung or Xiaomi colors are more brilliant and saturated. In Evolution ROM, can you modify this issue?
So I have been able to dowgrade my DN2103 to 11_A20 running Android 11 but I'm stuck there !
Each time I try to flash twrp or load it in device I get that:
[email protected]:~/Bureau$ fastboot boot twrp.img
Sending 'boot.img' (131072 KB) OKAY [ 3.310s]
Booting FAILED (remote: 'not allowed in locked state')
fastboot: error: Command failed
[email protected]:~/Bureau$ fastboot flash recovery twrp.img
Sending 'recovery' (131072 KB) OKAY [ 3.371s]
Writing 'recovery' FAILED (remote: 'not allowed in locked state')
fastboot: error: Command failed
I have unlocked OEM protection into it and allow USB debug. Any ideas what's the problem ?
damn was a long time I had not done Android flashing so was a little more complicated but made it (well it looks to be so far Will see if it boots after initial setup and now hanging on the Phone initial preparation but should go very soon I think
Thanks