So, I'm interested in a smartwatch mostly for fitness tracking, but my problem is sweat resistance.
I want to buy the stratos but I have heard the new t rex can also fitness track, and be washed easily since it's durable bit. can it sync with Strava though?
My question is which one? Amazfit stratos or T rex? Is the stratos waterproof? How to clean it?
I'm also going to be in the military, should I just buy a g shock apart from a smartwatch or the t rex can do the job?
I want to get the best watch I can.
And if the stratos, does the stratos 3 worth the 50$ more than the 2?
So many questions, wanted to cover them all.
Would love to get some help. Thanks!
Leave out the Stratos 3. Distance, speed and hearth rate are all bad. Speed is very (very very) slow to adjust to your actual speed and the heart rate of my couch is 71 BPM. Heart beat indicates a constant 118Bpm when i'm not wearing it. It won't pair with a Bluetooth 4.0 heart rate belt (and doesn't support ANT+)
However GPS fix is fast and the time is spot on
Fitbits and fitness-tracking devices banned for deployed troops
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...n-geolocation-restricted-for-deployed-troops/
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Don't recommend to buy any of Amazfit smart watch. Better is to choose Samsung's smart watch:
1. Much more better devices
2. Have all features and options which is mentioned, for example: Verge from Amazfit voice assistant is not support all regions and countries, so you will spend money without all features which is in specifications. Samsung giving all what is mentioned in specifications. Believe me to buy Amazfit smart watch is worst decision.
3. Battery of Samsung is related to Amazfit smart watches, also Samsung doing much less software mistakes, bugs as Amazfit.
4. Samsung Health app for Android is much more better as Amazfit. Samsung have even calories counting from wood which you eating, Amazfit counting only by yours activity.
I bought Verge from 2019 February and I understand that I did very big mistake. I thought to buy new Xioami smartphone, but after wearing of Amazfit Verge watch, I understand I have to run away from this company as faster as I can. Device is without advertised features, every update battery draining much more faster as was first day without update. Every update doing mistakes and bugs. Support is terrible. I don't recommend to buy any of watches from Amazfit. By the way I bought now Samsung smartphone in which health app is very impressive, compare to Samsung app Amazfit app is like game for children very poor.
T-Rex should be a good option. I've been using Amazfit watches for a while now, I've not faced any issues. People have had gps issues, but t-rex seems to have solved them. It's very durable and battery life will be much better than any samsung or android wear watches. My bip and gtr has never let me down.
Although you might want to check first if you're allowed smart watches in the military.
I have the stratos 3 and it measurements it took are very very very close to my Bryton cycling computer, paired with heart rate monitor.
You have to wear it reasonably tight to get a good readings.
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T-Rex should be a good option. I've been using Amazfit watches for a while now, I've not faced any issues. People have had gps issues, but t-rex seems to have solved them. It's very durable and battery life will be much better than any samsung or android wear watches. My bip and gtr has never let me down.
Although you might want to check first if you're allowed smart watches in the military.
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If you don't see it, it doesn't mean there are not any issues. With Verge was a lot of issues with double tap, weather (twice chines named cities), incorrect sleep, steps tracking and ect. Just one good things is heartrate measure, which is very good in this device. Amazfit support is like talking with wall or they are dumb or just pretending like they are, always asking one, answering different answers. I live in Europe and still havn't many features like: Voice assistant, payment over watch and ect. Which was written and now is advertising as feature in this model. Ran one year I still did not got features which was promised or mentioned from this manufacturer. MY ADVICE: STAY AWAY FROM AMAZFIT. Samsung is much more better, android watches too. You can do in it watch faces which you want, costume it how do you want, much more accurate and ect. Samsung doing bugs even less compare with this China manufacturer. Don't lie to people. Amazfit devices is like crap of ****. Sorry for my language.
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If you don't see it, it doesn't mean there are not any issues. With Verge was a lot of issues with double tap, weather (twice chines named cities), incorrect sleep, steps tracking and ect. Just one good things is heartrate measure, which is very good in this device. Amazfit support is like talking with wall or they are dumb or just pretending like they are, always asking one, answering different answers. I live in Europe and still havn't many features like: Voice assistant, payment over watch and ect. Which was written and now is advertising as feature in this model. Ran one year I still did not got features which was promised or mentioned from this manufacturer. MY ADVICE: STAY AWAY FROM AMAZFIT. Samsung is much more better, android watches too. You can do in it watch faces which you want, costume it how do you want, much more accurate and ect. Samsung doing bugs even less compare with this China manufacturer. Don't lie to people. Amazfit devices is like crap of ****. Sorry for my language.
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While you are right on your part. No samsung or android watch gives weeks of battery life. I cant afford to keep charging my watch everyday. Charging my phone everyday is already a hassle.
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While you are right on your part. No samsung or android watch gives weeks of battery life. I cant afford to keep charging my watch everyday. Charging my phone everyday is already a hassle.
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Which smart watches from Samsung need to charge everyday?
Samsung Watch Active 2 - https://www.samsung.com/uk/wearables/galaxy-watch-active2-4g/SM-R825FSKABTU/ (Typical Usage Time Over 60 Hours - it's more as 2 days)
Amazfit Stratos 3 - https://en.amazfit.com/stratos-3.html (Smart mode: 7 days )
What is the differnet between these times? Samsung have 4G connection, that's mean that you can go to city without phone and stay tuned into call. Amazfit havn't (in specification is not mentioned 4G), 4G so that's why battery is some days staying longest without charge.
Samsung most watches can be without charge with 5 days, the same as Amazfit. I talking about normal usage without limitation of features activated.
Verge Amazfit saying can be 5 days too, but I have to charge it every 2 - 3 days. So battery is not so good as saying Amazfit. U did not understand me. Most Android watches have much more features as Amazfit even with 4G need to charge often, but if 4G is not available battery without charge can be much more as Amazfit some watches. But quality of Samsung and most Android watches is much more better as this Chinese crap
By the way Amazfit have model with 4G too, battery need to charge more as Samsung Active 2 as I know can be alive about one day. So don't write nonsenses here that Amazfit is better, it's a crap of sh.. not a watch included worst support ever, a lot of bugs and issues in it. STAY AWAY FROM AmAZFIT BELEIVE ME. mY NEXT WATCH WILL BE Samsung, I know that as a phone too.
I've used a Galaxy S9+ paired with a Gear Sport and eventually switched to the Xiaomi Mi 9 Lite paired with the smaller Amazfit GTR. I have seen comparable performance with the following exceptions: Gear Sport has NFC, GTR doesn't, S9+ has wireless charging, Mi 9 Lite doesn't. Battery life is tremendously better on both the Mi 9 Lite and GTR. I have both Samsung devices locked away and really don't have a desire to go back to them anytime soon.
The short answer? Rather than broad dismissal of an entire brand, your mileage may vary. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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T-Rex should be a good option. I've been using Amazfit watches for a while now, I've not faced any issues. People have had gps issues, but t-rex seems to have solved them. It's very durable and battery life will be much better than any samsung or android wear watches. My bip and gtr has never let me down.
Although you might want to check first if you're allowed smart watches in the military.
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Do you actually have a T-Rex? I had 3 Amazfit smartwatches: pace, stratos 2, and now a GTR, but the GTR's GPS is terrible, take too long to fix, and its tracking is awful. Now I'm almost buying a T-Rex, but I fear the GPS could have the same GTR problem. Does anybody actually HAVE a T-Rex??
I think the gtr has a design flaw for the GPS? My stratos 3 cets lock in under 10 seconds, pace and bio were alot slower. Would hope the trex is the same
T-Rex looks like having the same components as GTR so I would wait. I can definitely recommend the Stratos 3, the only other watch I would consider is a Garmin Fenix but costs 3x more...
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Do you actually have a T-Rex? I had 3 Amazfit smartwatches: pace, stratos 2, and now a GTR, but the GTR's GPS is terrible, take too long to fix, and its tracking is awful. Now I'm almost buying a T-Rex, but I fear the GPS could have the same GTR problem. Does anybody actually HAVE a T-Rex??
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Mine just arrived today. I got it to replace the more dainty 42mm GTR (gave it to my wife). The GTR only took a few seconds (10-15 seconds max) to get a gps fix before running. It has also been pretty reliable in tracking location. If I can remember I'll chime in here in about a week or so to report on whether the T-Rex experience is comparable or better (or, hopefully not, worse).
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Mine just arrived today. I got it to replace the more dainty 42mm GTR (gave it to my wife). The GTR only took a few seconds (10-15 seconds max) to get a gps fix before running. It has also been pretty reliable in tracking location. If I can remember I'll chime in here in about a week or so to report on whether the T-Rex experience is comparable or better (or, hopefully not, worse).
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Is there any update? What do you think so far?
My stratos 3 seems to have died after just 4 months I think I have had it, not impressed last Amazfit product I will buy
People. don't buy at all Amazfit products at all. Support is weak, updates is weak. If they mentioning in trailer of products some feature it doesn't meant that you will get it. So run away from this china company fast and forward. If you want something not expensive, but good. Buy Samsung smartphones, smart watch. They are really much more better, with normal battery life. Also support is not weak as Amazfit, in my national language, I believe is in yours too. So Amazfit is my opinion just fake company which product quality for me wasn't good. I just have one year watch and I had to bring it to service to fix charger and band which broken
Don't buy Stratos (any)
First Stratos 2 bought Mar. 2019. Worked fine one year with small manageable hiccups caused by software issues ... till its battery exploded (literally) damaging case, connectors and screen. Watch was "molded" to charging pod - source of heat was inside the watch, so I assume it was faulty battery. I was lucky as it happened during charging. I initially thought that I was not careful enough with the watch (I used it for swimming - Amazfit is not so water resistant as they claim in marketing materials).
I bought Stratos 3 Mar. 2020 (one year after first one). After 3 weeks (and April Amazfit firmware update) the GPS in the watch is dead. No possibility to fix position in spite of numerous restarts and GPS combination settings. This makes it almost useless for outdoor activities. Watch has no physical damage, this time no swimming. I have enough. This is the last time I purchase anything from Amazfit - post sales support is beyond hope. Several tickets opened. No response or just information that they are working on it (generic) - I just need confirmation whether it is software bug in the new firmware or hardware issues with watch (again). Auto response refers to Chinese New Year break (sic! in April).
I know once you end up on this forum you have already purchased Amazfit or found similar issues with the product. This means that it is too late for any warnings. But if you could spread the news wider I hope your colleagues or friends avoid similar mistake. If you really think about HUAMI use anything that passes real quality control like Mi brand (? so far no similar issues with it). If you want any serious smart watch product I recommend going to any other producer. Thanks!
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I have enjoyed the watch. Contrary to the extreme criticisms above, I've had great success using the GPS, heart rate monitor, sleep tracking, and exercise tracking. I only take the watch off to charge it and have worn it in the shower since I received it. If the T-Rex experience is normally bad, I guess mine is an anomaly.
I fully understand that China is taking a hit related to things other than tech, but I cannot hate on this watch. The risk would definitely be support (especially if you don't live in China), but just consider that risk before you buy.
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Oh, yeah. Probably the biggest thing that concerned me was that I could not find an aftermarket watch band to fit it, and the manufacturer doesn't sell them separately. I just found one aftermarket band on Amazon, but the shipping has a ridiculous delay.
With HR monitoring on and using GPS several times a week (jogging), my battery lasts about two weeks. I would imagine that if I were a little less active and turned off the constant monitoring I would probably get around three weeks on a charge.
I like wrote before - I did. At last. Finally. My Verge was broken, so I got money back. I decided to buy Samsung, because I have Samsung smartphone and I did not wanted to do the same mistake again. Yes of course Amazfit full in shop in my region devices. But Amazfit is sh.., not a good devices company. Which promising, but not giving. Just words. I bought Samsung Active2 smartwatch. So why it? Verge could be without charger about 2-3 days. After some updates. Active 2 about 2 days. That's maybe one and last good thing in Amazfit verge. All others good things is only on Samsung Active 2: Bixby (working in my region very well. Alexa after one year still wasn't in my Verge. Shame to Amazfit). Apps unlimited probably full shop, Verge even haven't calendar widget in Verge. I can customize my device as I want: change arrow of clock, background, widget and many more. Display is amazing, sunset day it's not problem to me. Stress, heart rate, automatic detecting of my activity like sport (I don't have to activate manually that, Samsung automatic understand when I running, walking and etc.). 24 hours per day sleep tracking, yes that doing Samsung Active 2 and that doing these days very well. Verge did a lot of incorrect trackings, did only at night. Need more? I can swim with my watch now yes it have 5TM. Hear rate is tracking every second, not as every minutes as doing Verge. Aliumin frames, not f...ed plastic. Looks great and is one of the best smartwatch at all probably. My advice RUN FROM AMAZFIT, XIAOMI at all. Chinese products is worst as many others companies. Only maybe Huawei doing something good. All others included Amazfit is crap of s.h.i.t. My advice - throw idea to buy it products at all. Believe me you will be much more happy with others companies smart watch as with Amaz****
p.s. Samsung Health is real health app. Amazfit - is parody of that and very bad parody. Amazfit is one of the worst company which product I had.
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HI all,
Got my English version of Amazfit last week.
I was really exited as I intended replacing my old garmin forerunner 405 with the new smartwatch.
On my first run yesterday I wore both watches and ran a usual 9km near my home.
At the end I got 9.03km on the garmin and 8.79km on the amazfit.
The difference is huge for such a distance.
Has anybody else experienced this? I guess this turns amazfit an unusable tool for Runners..!!
A.
you need to get a gps fix first, before starting the activity, have you done that?
when starting an activity, you need to wait for some 15~30 seconds, till you get a fix, and start running/biking/running around with a latex tale.
please try to re-test again, and also make sure that you have the latest version updated of the watch, 1.3.1m
Good luck!
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At the end I got 9.03km on the garmin and 8.79km on the amazfit.
The difference is huge for such a distance.
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Are you sure the Amazfit is inaccurate and not the Garmin? If i compare Tracklogs from my Garmin Oregon 450 GPS with the ones from Amazfit they are both quite on the same level, the Amazfit does corners even a bit better. If the Amazfit drifts in position, the Garmin does, too.
And as already mentioned, the Amazfit starts a bit off. so if you want precision, wait for the GPS to be ready.
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Are you sure the Amazfit is inaccurate and not the Garmin? If i compare Tracklogs from my Garmin Oregon 450 GPS with the ones from Amazfit they are both quite on the same level, the Amazfit does corners even a bit better. If the Amazfit drifts in position, the Garmin does, too.
And as already mentioned, the Amazfit starts a bit off. so if you want precision, wait for the GPS to be ready.
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Hi 1immortal,
Yes I did wait a lot before starting.
In the fist 200m I had 40m of difference.
I thought thats ok - its the satellite fixing difference.
Then gradually this started getting bigger and bigger.
I run with friends who also have garmins and we mostly have a maximum of 50m difference in 10km which is acceptable.
found also this:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/smartwatch/other-smartwatches/amazfit-watch-impression-t3540770
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found also this:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/smartwatch/other-smartwatches/amazfit-watch-impression-t3540770
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That issues were fixed. Both versions (US and CN) received updates for the GPS firmware. To make sure where the problem comes from you should take a closer look on the tracklogs in a suitable app on your computer. If you provide me GPX files from Garmin and Amazfit i will have a look on it. The shown distance on Amazfit has been quite accurate to the tracklog so far, while Garmin uses other methods to show the distance so i often had different distance on tracklog and on trip computer.
Another indicator is, that the tracklog for the Amazfit is the shortest. Bad GPS receivers usually measure greater distance as the coordinates are inconsistently jumping around and therefore create more meters.
Then you should always do multiple measurements. Sometimes the GPS just goes mad. Over the years i had different Garmin devices and now and then i was walking with a speed of 200km/h and was kilometers off...
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That issues were fixed. Both versions (US and CN) received updates for the GPS firmware. To make sure where the problem comes from you should take a closer look on the tracklogs in a suitable app on your computer. If you provide me GPX files from Garmin and Amazfit i will have a look on it. The shown distance on Amazfit has been quite accurate to the tracklog so far, while Garmin uses other methods to show the distance so i often had different distance on tracklog and on trip computer.
Another indicator is, that the tracklog for the Amazfit is the shortest. Bad GPS receivers usually measure greater distance as the coordinates are inconsistently jumping around and therefore create more meters.
Then you should always do multiple measurements. Sometimes the GPS just goes mad. Over the years i had different Garmin devices and now and then i was walking with a speed of 200km/h and was kilometers off...
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Hi Castra,
Thanks for the detailed answer.
I would be glad if you could examine GPX files.
Files attached.
Andreas
Okay, my name is not "Castra" btw.
Castra Regina is the ancient name of a roman fort that is called "Regensburg" nowadays. Thtat's where i come from.
I had a close look at your Tracklogs and did even look at the location in Google Street View. Really nice little town where you live. I think i will have to go to greece sometimes.
Mostly residential buildings so there is not too much influence on the signal. Anyway, the Amazfit does not perform as good as the Garmin and is drifting off in some locations. They are both not bad but the tracklog seems to be really a bit better on the Garmin.
Did you wear both watches on the same wrist or one left and one right? Was there probably someone running next to you that shielded or reflected the GPS signal? If not, the Garmin performs better here.
You did do the OTA Update to firmware 1.3.1m?
See Images, Blue is Amazfit, green is Garmin.
Beleriand said:
Okay, my name is not "Castra" btw.
Castra Regina is the ancient name of a roman fort that is called "Regensburg" nowadays. Thtat's where i come from.
I had a close look at your Tracklogs and did even look at the location in Google Street View. Really nice little town where you live. I think i will have to go to greece sometimes.
Mostly residential buildings so there is not too much influence on the signal. Anyway, the Amazfit does not perform as good as the Garmin and is drifting off in some locations. They are both not bad but the tracklog seems to be really a bit better on the Garmin.
Did you wear both watches on the same wrist or one left and one right? Was there probably someone running next to you that shielded or reflected the GPS signal? If not, the Garmin performs better here.
You did do the OTA Update to firmware 1.3.1m?
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Hi,
Sorry about the name... and if you come to Athens I can give you a tour....
I wore Amazfit on the left and Garmin on the right. Amazfit was sometimes "blocked" by my running shirt which was not a thick one as the weather was good enough.
Its very usual that the 6 years old Garmin is blocked by the shirt (specially when its cold weather) but NEVER had a problem with that.
There was a friend running next to me but not blocking me.
So my fear that amazfit is inaccurate is probably true.
Thanks for the time spent. I think this is something runner should know before buying this watch as it turns it to be unusable.....
Latest firmware is installed.
Andreas
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I wore Amazfit on the left and Garmin on the right. Amazfit was sometimes "blocked" by my running shirt which was not a thick one as the weather was good enough.
Its very usual that the 6 years old Garmin is blocked by the shirt (specially when its cold weather) but NEVER had a problem with that.
There was a friend running next to me but not blocking me.
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Well as the Amazfit is quite good when you are running in one direction and then drifts away in the other it might be that it just lost direct view to some satellites and then used reflected signals which make accuracy notable worse. A person just running by your side or your own body could cause that, while a shirt should not have any influence. So if the person was running to your left it might have had a big influence on the result.
A bit more scientific approach would be to wear both watches on the same wrist and do more runs for comparison before posting that the Amazfit is unusable.
I have been using the watch for two months now and did not experience such huge differences from my other GPS devices. And i really have a close look on many tracklogs as i use it to map new paths in Open Street Maps. I always have the watch and a Garmin Outdoor-GPS with me and use both tracks.
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I have been using the watch for two months now and did not experience such huge differences from my other GPS devices. And i really have a close look on many tracklogs as i use it to map new paths in Open Street Maps. I always have the watch and a Garmin Outdoor-GPS with me and use both tracks.
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I don't really agree with you
I run with Garmin for approx 5 years and I rarely got big deviations and it was always +/- 30m.
When you wear a watch you need to know that it works well in order to evaluate your pace.
As you saw in the maps Amazfit does not record well and this cannot / should not be explained by minor factors (left right hand).
The only really acceptable factor could be big buildings and bad weather. This is not my case.
I also searched on the net and found that there are some references about bad GPS reception.
Just for the info, why do you run with 2 GPS devices?
Andreas
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Just for the info, why do you run with 2 GPS devices?
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I do not run with two devices but when i explore new areas or when i am Geocaching i use the additional Garmin GPS to get a second tracklog and to store Points of interest as new waypoints.
That is helpful sometimes when editing in OSM.
If Garmin works better for you, stay with it.
Their devices are quite good but a bit expensive. I had a few over the last 17 years.
Another test today in steep terrain. Today i had some minor drifts from the Amazfit compared to Garmin, previous tracklogs and OSM data, see attached image.
(Garmin magenta, Amazfit cyan)
The Amazfit really should get another update but as the sensor is quite new, chahces are good to get one.
Weirdest thing is that my Garmin created 725 trackpoints while the Amazfit created 14690. Distance 6,5 km....
They should probably reduce the amount a "bit" which could also save some energy.
I've received my Amazfit Pace version few days ago, updated to last US version. I noticed than GPS accuracy inside the building is terrible. I start Run workout in the office walking around 200-300 meters inside the room. After 6 hours Amazfit counted 30 !!! km of distance. I was shocked so much. Initially I was planning to use Amazfit for itinerary tracking or geotagging tracking during holiday trip. But with such accuracy it's not possible. Anyone has the same problem?
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I've received my Amazfit Pace version few days ago, updated to last US version. I noticed than GPS accuracy inside the building is terrible. I start Run workout in the office walking around 200-300 meters inside the room. After 6 hours Amazfit counted 30 !!! km of distance. I was shocked so much. Initially I was planning to use Amazfit for itinerary tracking or geotagging tracking during holiday trip. But with such accuracy it's not possible. Anyone has the same problem?
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Are you serious? GPS inside buildings for sure isn't working!
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Are you serious? GPS inside buildings for sure isn't working!
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Amazfit show me GPS as available inside the building because of large windows. BTW, if signal is low why Amazfit distance is jumped so much? I saw that distance on the screen was counted and increased almost every second without any watch movement.
I did the same test at home. If Amazfit is located near the window then distance is not counted and stuck on 0.00km. If I try to walk inside the room the the distance start to count and after few minutes show 300-400 meters. Strange.
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If I try to walk inside the room the the distance start to count and after few minutes show 300-400 meters. Strange.
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It is not strange. GPS works by measuring the time signals from different satellites take to reach your device. Then your position is calculated by triangulation.
It is only accurate if you receive direct signals from satellites all over the sky. Inside a building you have no sky view so all the signals you get are reflected by objects like buildings, mountains. If they are reflected they travel a longer distance and so the calculation loses precision. That causes jumping positions and therefore creates some mileage.
Older, less sensitive GPS devices only used direct signals and were much more precise but they also completely lost position in dense forests and between high buildings.
All modern GPS consumer oriented modules on the market are optimised for a quick fix, even under worst condtitons, then comes power saving and price.
Precision is the least of the requirements as you can adjust your position to a map when using it for navigation. (Lock to road)
Good for all the smartphone manufacturers and Google Maps users but bad for all outdoor enthusiasts.
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Hi!
I got the same issue. Amazfit CN version. Firmware Rel 9 (1.2.14) from XDA.
Running in forest, orienteering. Amazfit watch in Trail run mode always reports 400-500m less within 7-9km distance. Difference is confirmed by 5-6 runs.
For example today Amazfit watch: 7.97km, Endomondo (Samsung S7): 8.42km.
I see also issues with max speed, its unreal on Amazfir watch (crap should be filtered out).
I plan to do test using Amazfit and my old Garmin Forerunner 300 in next weeks to prove test results.
Kind regards,
J.
js_online said:
Hi!
I got the same issue. Amazfit CN version. Firmware Rel 9 (1.2.14) from XDA.
Running in forest, orienteering. Amazfit watch in Trail run mode always reports 400-500m less within 7-9km distance. Difference is confirmed by 5-6 runs.
For example today Amazfit watch: 7.97km, Endomondo (Samsung S7): 8.42km.
I see also issues with max speed, its unreal on Amazfir watch (crap should be filtered out).
I plan to do test using Amazfit and my old Garmin Forerunner 300 in next weeks to prove test results.
Kind regards,
J.
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Hi J.
After opening this thread I did get in contact with Huami.
I informed them about the GPS accuracy problem and they were kind enough to send me a new watch.
Unfortunately this did not help. The new watch had exactly the same bad behavior.
So I stopped using the amazfit. I found also to have more than 200-300m less at a 9Km run.
As you probably know that's too much for such a distance.
Below is the mail I did send to Huami.
I did not get yet an answer to that and I think I will not get one
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Got yesterday the new Pace. Pretty exciting I must admit.
I did a 9,5km run on purpose last night in order to test it.
On my left hand both Amazifit Pace and Garmin 405.
Unfortunately the results were not better and much disappointing
So to start I should say that I run in rural areas but in open space.
I attached to this email two GPX files in order to get examined by your team.
One from my old Garmin and One from Amazfit.
On the 9,5km run I got a liithe more than 200m of difference.
This difference is translated in 6 seconds of pace difference which is vary big for a runner.
Pace difference is shown bellow:
(strava is from amazfit and runkeeper is for garmin)
So I uploaded both GPX files on http://www.mygpsfiles.com/app/ in order to visualize them and the findings were interesting.
It seems that though Amazfit gets much more points than my old Garmin, those points are often very inaccurate.
Please find bellow some examples.
Orange trace is Garmin.
Blue trace is Amazfit Pace.
Amazfit (in blue) seems really off road.
Here it seems to loose distance. I did run as Garmin says to the roundabout
I must emphasize that its really an open space run with a very good GPS signal reception.
So it seems that its something going wrong with the GPS of the Amazfit.
I am wondering if there is a calibration problem with Europe/Greece.
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Hi J.
So I stopped using the amazfit. I found also to have more than 200-300m less at a 9Km run.
I am wondering if there is a calibration problem with Europe/Greece.
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Thanks for explanation and visualization. Unfortunately I can't link my workouts with street as there are no streets in forest
I am little bit surprised about this: Endomondo makes less measurements and counts more, Amazfit makes times more measurements and counts less.
I was searching answers and found this article online (type: www dot fellrnr dot com/wiki/GPS_Accuracy), must read... Explains many issues from technical perspective.
I believe and hope that issues are related to software (firmware) of GPS chip and post processing and will be solved in the next firmwares.
Please also note: "AMAZFIT includes the world's first 28 nm Sony GPS sensor". As you know first is always first and requires debugging
"Sony – GPS (with 1/10th the power!) now sampling.
You know how using mapping apps on your smartphone kills your battery? Well now there’s hope. Sony’s getting some super impressive results with their new GPS using 28nm FD-SOI technology. These GPS are operated at 0.6V, and cut power to 10x (!) less than what it was in the previous generation (which was already boasting the industry’s lowest power consumption when it was announced back in 2013)."
You can find more info online.
I completely agree that for running numbers are important. Especially for high pace 4.30 and below, because each seconds counts. I will take Amazfit to my next street workouts for marathon training to do the same gps data analysis as you did above.
My strategy is to wait for firmware updates and hope issues will be resolved.
Thanks.
So I was thinking about getting the watch, but I saw this
https://www.neowin.net/news/review-...t-needs-to-hit-the-gym-for-some-massive-gains
It says basically the watch is not good for fitness as it doesn't sync data with apps like goofle fit or so. It says you can't even show your data on phone or similar.
Only sync with strava, but not all data
Has it changed since one year ago? Would you recommend the watch for someone who will use it almost exclusively to fitness? (Count calories, count gym series, runnings....). And obviously want to see it in the phone synchronised
I would also use it for google assistant, google keep, maps....but I haven't found about that...so thinking the watch it's quite useless because of software
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So I was thinking about getting the watch, but I saw this
https://www.neowin.net/news/review-...t-needs-to-hit-the-gym-for-some-massive-gains
It says basically the watch is not good for fitness as it doesn't sync data with apps like goofle fit or so. It says you can't even show your data on phone or similar.
Only sync with strava, but not all data
Has it changed since one year ago? Would you recommend the watch for someone who will use it almost exclusively to fitness? (Count calories, count gym series, runnings....). And obviously want to see it in the phone synchronised
I would also use it for google assistant, google keep, maps....but I haven't found about that...so thinking the watch it's quite useless because of software
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I'll have a go answering your question
The Amazfit app has improved since last year, you can see data within the app e.g. step count, sleep quality (for what it's worth), heart rate etc... But that data is tied to the app since there is no web portal that you can access say on a PC.
The sync still remains with Strava only, I found that if you install the MiFit app from the Google Play Store you can sync the watch to that which can then export the data to Google Fit. Though I didn't really find the data in Google Fit to be all that great / useful for it to be worth my while having 3 different apps installed.
Another limitation I've found with the watch is that calorie count is not all day calories. It is some very odd "active" calorie count figure. That is to say, if you wear the watch and sit down all day doing nothing you will not see the calorie count figure increase as Fitbits or Garmin devices since Amazfit have not considered BMR in their calorie counting whatsoever.
If you start an activity or you walk all day your calorie count will increase. I guess you could treat the calorie figure as active calories...personally I was annoyed with it at first but realistically I don't count calorie intake, so why would I worry about calorie expenditure? I just use a watch face that doesn't show calories and forget about the usefulness of that metric.
My use case for the watch is primarily fitness based, always on screen and notifications. I'm happy with the always on screen and notifications. Fitness and general health leaves a lot to be desired though. In my experience the things I've noticed include:
* Sleep tracking is not great, it gets the times correct most nights, but I'm pretty much exclusively in light sleep mode. Maybe the watch is too sensitive or I trash around in my sleep, I don't know. I hardly look at this outside of seeing how many hours sleep I got.
* Calorie count not worth the hassle due to the above
* HR tracking is...well, I'm still not sure. Resting HR can have me a 50 bpm one minute, the next I'm at 90+ bpm while sitting at my desk. Other times it can go hours nailing a pretty good representation of HR as I'd expect. During exercise, don't expect weight training to be anywhere near accurate (this is true for most optical HR sensors), running workouts do have drops where I could be at 150 or 160bpm one second then <120bpm the next but the trend seems to be correct most times.
* GPS might not be as accurate as some other running watching, but does exactly what I want. I've not noticed any major drift or drop outs in GPS, just make sure to wait for the GPS lock before starting your activity.
With all that said it might sound like I dont like the watch. But I think even with these issues I'd buy it again. Mainly because it was cheap (compared to rival products), offers most day to day benefits i wanted (notifications, always on display, several days battery life), it also has GPS and exports to the exercise tool I use.
To try and make the fitness aspect a bit more appealing for me what I've started doing is running with a second hand vivofit 3 in my pocket reading HR from a strap and use the Amazfit for GPS. When I get home I've written a script to replace the Amazfit HR with the Garmin HR and upload that to Strava. Works well, allows me to keep Cadence, GPS info and get a more accurate HR reading. I could use this setup for weight training as well, but realistically I'll never be HR zone training during a weight workout so as long as the Amazfit can upload workout time to Strava I don't care about that data.
Hi all,
Can any one confirm if the Verge Lite has the same always on display like the verge does?
I am torn between the Stratos, Verge and the Verge Lite. Battery life is really important to me but always on display is important too. Is the Stratos really just 3 days battery with normal usage?
Thanks
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Hi all,
Can any one confirm if the Verge Lite has the same always on display like the verge does?
I am torn between the Stratos, Verge and the Verge Lite. Battery life is really important to me but always on display is important too. Is the Stratos really just 3 days battery with normal usage?
Thanks
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I choice Verge for many reason. So i advice you to do the same. Have Verge lite always on display feature? Amazfit saying - NO
That's a shame. The verge lite looks great and 20 days battery but no AOD. I like the look of the Stratos, why do you think I should get a verge?
I'll also wait for the GTR release. Seems interesting...
Normal usage (BT always on, no airplane mode, little or no GPS usage, always on display enabled on Verge - I am not sure if lite supports it, but my bet is that 20 days is the life span with it disabled as I cannot get more than 4 days on normal Verge):
- Verge: 3-4 days;
- Pace: 4-5 days;
- Stratos: 5-6 days.
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That's a shame. The verge lite looks great and 20 days battery but no AOD. I like the look of the Stratos, why do you think I should get a verge?
I'll also wait for the GTR release. Seems interesting...
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I activated always on display just at night period, when is sleep time (00:00 - 10:00). In the morning i find always from 100% (after charge) to 92 - 95%, when all day in normal usage draining about 1 - 2% if i don't use manually something like: heart rate tracking (is activated continuous heart rate), changing watch faces (try to do that several times, you will see that that draining battery too, maybe for reason that is activated at this moment display/screen, which in my watch is 100% brightness) and ect. Also Verge lite havn't some Verge features and ect. So maybe for this reason you can not charge about 20 days. But if you need just clock, buy normal watch. If you want smart watch i recommend to buy Verge, coz this model have much more features as older models from Amazfit/Huami. But again... in market is releasing Verge 2 or Nexo model, which is look better as/or similar to Verge, have much more feature and is from better material. Yes will cost much more, but what i read about it, this model deserve every euros. Of course some features will not work if you are not from China, but for me enough heart tracking news which will have this model. If you can't spend about 200 euros, i advise you to choose Verge. Startos have just better protection from water, also is from not plastic. All others is similar to Verge or Verge is better: microphone which havn't Stratos (i don't talk about Pace at all, coz this model is worst from these 3 at all), so voice assitant will not be available in older models like Stratos, also Amoled display, battery you can not charge with Amazfit's settings 5 days, with mine settings when is almost all features activated i can not charge about 3 - 4 days, Stratos can be the same time as i know aith Amazfit's settings, so with the same settings i think will be the same. Stratos and Verge at all is similar models by specifications, just Verge have much more.
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Normal usage (BT always on, no airplane mode, little or no GPS usage, always on display enabled on Verge - I am not sure if lite supports it, but my bet is that 20 days is the life span with it disabled as I cannot get more than 4 days on normal Verge):
- Verge: 3-4 days;
- Pace: 4-5 days;
- Stratos: 5-6 days.
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Do you have all models? By specifications which presented by Amazfit, Stratos and Verge can be not charged the same time with Amazfit's settings. Different is in protection of water, display, microphone and ect. Battries are the same as i saw
See in this web site: https://en.amazfit.com/stratos.html, also i added screenshot from this web site. By Amazfit with Pace is the same.
Thank you for all the feedback and information, you've all been very helpful. I am going to wait and see what the announcement is next week. I think I'm getting too lost in the features and need to think about what I really want in my smart watch. FYI, I'm coming from a Pebble Time, so I'm used to having quite a bit of functionality but I really look forward to the HR monitor! I'm used to charging my watch once a week, so I'm hoping that I can keep that schedule but I guess I should not be too worried about it.
Since you're coming from Pebble Time, you need be aware that always-on display for the Verge is NOT the same as always-on display for the Stratos. The Stratos is using similar display technology as the Pebble Time, when the backlight is off, the display remains the same. Verge switches to a low power mode which displays minimal information.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgCK1X2vyXM
But this is not better? I mean Verge always on display. I using it at night time, when i don't need other information like: steps, calories, heart rate, weather and ect. I saw there are a lot of APK files watch faces for Verge, which working like Stratos always on display, where is showing all information which showing without always on display mode. But always on display my opinion is very good when you want to see just important information like time. Of course i think date, notifications information will be great too, but all other information like: steps, calories and ect. i don't think it's need to show in always on display. I don't see different in Stratos with always on display and without always on display mode, just a little bit dimmed display, but big different there is no. SO why need at all always on display if is showing the same in display?
Hi,
I have a Stratos 3 and was expecting a better GPS Accuracy.
Have recently updated it to 4.2.2.1 and it improved but it still takes take some time to lock signal.
Also, after a few experiences, I have noticed that if you start the activity immediately after locking signal the first few minutes will be inaccurate and it is better to wait a few minutes.
Any experiences from anyone else?
What pair are you using?
leugim1 said:
Hi,
I have a Stratos 3 and was expecting a better GPS Accuracy.
Have recently updated it to 4.2.2.1 and it improved but it still takes take some time to lock signal.
Also, after a few experiences, I have noticed that if you start the activity immediately after locking signal the first few minutes will be inaccurate and it is better to wait a few minutes.
Any experiences from anyone else?
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Same here - I had the first Stratos and finding GPS signal was quite a bit faster than on the new one. Hope they'll do something to improve it. Though, considering what have they done with the Amazfit app, I'm not very optimistic...
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I have tried GPS + GLONASS and GPS + Galileu so far.
Galileu was accurate after the first 5 minutes only.
i'm expecting the same with my Stratos 3: GPS+ Galileo if start activity immediatly after GPS Fix it needs some minutes more to be accruate (5 min) but after it's perfect (i'm cycling in forest)
I did not try GPS+GLONASS for the moment will do it next time to see if it's better for initial fix and if tracking accruacy is as good as GALILEO
Gps and heart sensor
Hi, I sold my gtr because gps didnt work, I thinking I a Stratos 3, What Is it The heart sensor accuracy?
leugim1 said:
I have tried GPS + GLONASS and GPS + Galileu so far.
Galileu was accurate after the first 5 minutes only.
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Hi, I sold my gtr because gps didnt work, I thinking I a Stratos 3, What Is it The heart sensor accuracy?
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the HR sensor is exactly the same so you know it!
Tks for reply... I think that we need to considering the sw factor as well....
Sad to hear that, I'm using a Pace and thought Stratos 3 as a improvement over GPS accuracy and Heart rate.
Pace is a mixed bag, sometimes it's very good but, even in open areas, sometimes the accuracy show my position on the other side of the street.
Often I experience inaccurate position on the first minutes also.
Let's hope for a software update to increase reliability.
Stratos 3 uses the new HR sensor used in both Verge and GTR/GTS, so it should behave the same. It's a bit bigger and should work better than the ones from Pace and the original Stratos, as it does if I compare my Verge with them. Just don't expect it to be perfect, as any other PPG (optical) sensor.
The same issue with Pace and Stratos (v1). You should always wait 2-5 minutes at the green Go screen before starting activity recording. Also, with Pace, I used to run with Airplane mode for better accuracy, but it looks like in current versions it makes no difference (better accuracy in both cases than early). That way you can avoid GPS inaccuracy. My Stratos 3 is on the way.
Are you on latest firmware? I had mine for a week and updated it the first day. GPS is very good and fixes fast (I returned the GTR because of the GPS being so bad). Maybe your issue could be location related? Like AGPS data related?
@Paxy
Weird. I'm a new Stratos 3 user.
I have no accuracy issue with the GPS (Glonass) and the fix is done in less than 30 sec. Unlike the GTR, I sent back whose GPS was a deep sh.t.
I made 8 cycle workout and it worked very well. I leave near Paris there is buildings (not too high) around me during my
sessions and the recorded track is very good.
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@Paxy
Weird. I'm a new Stratos 3 user.
I have no accuracy issue with the GPS (Glonass) and the fix is done in less than 30 sec. Unlike the GTR, I sent back whose GPS was a deep sh.t.
I made 8 cycle workout and it worked very well. I leave near Paris there is buildings (not too high) around me during my
sessions and the recorded track is very good.
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Can you, please, post an example, I'm thinking on ditching the GTR and considering a Stratos 3(which should actually be 2, because the first one was called Pace)?
Thanks!
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Can you, please, post an example, I'm thinking on ditching the GTR and considering a Stratos 3(which should actually be 2, because the first one was called Pace)?
Thanks!
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Hi here is 2 run one with GTR and one with Stratos, there is NO comparison.
In orange, the trace recorded by both watch and under you'll find the covered distance which totally approximate on the GTR as most of the run was not receorded.
stratos3 https://photos.app.goo.gl/UExKHU5qT9w59WKc9
gtr https://photos.app.goo.gl/HXJLT7ddJEw9HLg56
My review: stratos 3 Vs GTR pictures explains everything
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Hi here is 2 run one with GTR and one with Stratos, there is NO comparison.
In orange, the trace recorded by both watch and under you'll find the covered distance which totally approximate on the GTR as most of the run was not receorded.
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Thanks for taking the time to post these.
Seems pretty accurate. Have you checked through google maps to see if the distance is accurate? Is this the route: https://www.google.ro/maps/dir/48.8...0x47e67b314410fbbb:0x21dd71e67173a3e0!1m0!3e1 ?
@winni21 That's how my GTR cuts corners as well. Stratos 3 seems very good.
Now I'm pretty sure the GTR has faulty hardware for GPS (frame used as shared antenna with bluetooth), since they both have the same gps chipset and will never get fixed through software update.
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Thanks for taking the time to post these.
Seems pretty accurate. Have you checked through google maps to see if the distance is accurate? Is this the route: https://www.google.ro/maps/dir/48.8...0x47e67b314410fbbb:0x21dd71e67173a3e0!1m0!3e1 ?
@winni21 That's how my GTR cuts corners as well. Stratos 3 seems very good.
Now I'm pretty sure the GTR has faulty hardware for GPS (frame used as shared antenna with bluetooth), since they both have the same gps chipset and will never get fixed through software update.
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Compared to Google Maps, the given distance by the Stratos is pretty accurate as I have 9.53km for stratos and 9.6 for GMAPS.
But on my road I have to go in a tunnel for few meters and the GPS signal is lost at this time. On this section the Stratos show a straight line and google map a nice curve. The curve is around 200m, so this part explain partially the 70m missing on the Stratos.
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Can you, please, post an example, I'm thinking on ditching the GTR and considering a Stratos 3(which should actually be 2, because the first one was called Pace)?
Thanks!
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You are wrong. There is the Pace and there is Stratos (in China called SportWatch 2). There is no Stratos2 and Pace is not Stratos1.
My Stratos3 just arrived. It has fast GPS fix, but haven't tested accuracy yet.
I will compare it's accuracy against Pace soon.
BTW. Huami declares only Pace, Stratos and Stratos3 as sport watches. GTR,GTS,Verge etc are just smart watches without GPS in the focus of development.
There is also Stratos+ on Amazfit official web. The problem with the naming comes from resellers giving different names like Startos 2S or Pace 2.
But indeed there are 3 generations of the Amazfit Sports watch (Pace, Stratos/Stratos+ and Startos 3)
Hi, I'm using the Pace for 2 years, I'm satisfied with it, but the GTR's battery is very attractive.
I'm thinking buy it, but the reviews for GPS accuracy very disappointing.
The problem persists with update firmware or not compens the replace? The GPS from the Pace is very good.
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It is not worth it, I did the same upgrade. The GPS issue seems more like a hardware/design problem. I returned mine and bought the Stratos 3 instead. Very happy with the change
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It is not worth it, I did the same upgrade. The GPS issue seems more like a hardware/design problem. I returned mine and bought the Stratos 3 instead. Very happy with the change
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+1 did exactly the same so far so good with S3
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It is not worth it, I did the same upgrade. The GPS issue seems more like a hardware/design problem. I returned mine and bought the Stratos 3 instead. Very happy with the change
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+1 did exactly the same so far so good with S3
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I love my Pace, the GPS start speedly, it's very accurate, and I compare in runs with Garmin and Polar and is very similar, until in marathons.
The weak point is precisely the battery, using the GPS in average 1h30 per day, I need recharge in each 3 or 4 days, but this is similar in somes Garmin and Polar.
I was very excited when I saw the battery from GTR, but it is very sad that Huami spoiled something that worked very well.
I will wait for a new version.
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Actually the GTR is not comparable to the Pace. It has Amoled display and it is not always on, also the OS is not Android based but some custom thing much more limited (therefore they can achieve 24days)
The evolution of the Pace was the Stratos 2 and now the Stratos 3. All this have trasflective display which is always on. So if you are looking for an upgrade of the Pace then Stratos 3 was released last month. But don't expect to get anywhere GTR in terms of battery, more like double of what you get with Pace. Plus a faster system, better HR, offline music playing, external Bluetooth devices (main extra features)
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Actually the GTR is not comparable to the Pace. It has Amoled display and it is not always on, also the OS is not Android based but some custom thing much more limited (therefore they can achieve 24days)
The evolution of the Pace was the Stratos 2 and now the Stratos 3. All this have trasflective display which is always on. So if you are looking for an upgrade of the Pace then Stratos 3 was released last month. But don't expect to get anywhere GTR in terms of battery, more like double of what you get with Pace. Plus a faster system, better HR, offline music playing, external Bluetooth devices (main extra features)
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I didn't know about Stratos 3 and was surprised by the specs as I use the watch for sporting purposes.
Does his GPS work correctly?
GPS works quite good. It fixes much faster than my old Pace and it is more stable (the Pace worked good sometimes)
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GPS works quite good. It fixes much faster than my old Pace and it is more stable (the Pace worked good sometimes)
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Thanks