Hi everybody
I've just bought a new phone, Samsung galaxy xcover3,which I really like. I come from a rooted and quite modded ascend p6. I've a question regarding probably all android devices, especially the devices running kitkat.
Is there a way, WITHOUT ROOTING, to exclude google location services, using alternative services for network and wifi positioning?
I really don't like google's "big brother like" terms and conditions. I don't want to be forced to contribute to Google's wifi and cells mapping if I want to use a feature (wifi positioning) which I paid for and bought.
I'd like to choose what service to use (Mozilla location, or maybe the osm project), without rooting my device (there's also the warranty problem, but that's another story). I'm also getting frustrated with that popup saying "help google improve location services": I can flag "don't show this again" only if I agree, that's crazy.
What's your opinion about this, guys???
I've just upgraded to the s9+ from the s7edge. So far, everything about the experience has truly been an upgrade with the exception of ad blocking.
On my s7edge, I was happy with the ad blocking provided by DISCONNECT PRO and would like to use the same with my new phone. I recall that configuring the app required me to download the MY KNOX app and setup KNOX.
A search in GALAXY APPS on the S9+ does not yield the MY KNOX app. Instead, there is an app called KNOX DEPLOYMENT. Unfortunately, when I put in my credentials this app just seems to get stuck on authenticating.
I have DISCONNECT PRO on my s9+ and it claims to be working and giving me statistics but, in web browsing in Chrome, it doesn't appear to be doing anything. If memory serves, this was my experience on the s7edge until I configured with MY KNOX.
Can someone point me in the right direction?
Samsung discontinued My Knox earlier in the year. You have to use Secure Folder now
I was under the impression that on Android pie Google would allow all biometrics as options to login to apps instead of fingerprint only.
Is anyone successful with this?
I'm guessing no as face recognition isn't very secure.
Having said that I use the fingerprint sensor.
Huawei Mate20 Pro LYA-L09
taniwhatuu said:
I'm guessing no as face recognition isn't very secure.
Having said that I use the fingerprint sensor.
Huawei Mate20 Pro LYA-L09
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This is not the standard face recognition that most android phones use. This is with a dot projector and infrared light like the iPhone X models
I think it requires 3rd party developers to implement. Can't really see this happening as only a few phones have the 3d face scanning built in. I mean I think even Huawei doesn't have any apps that uses this technology i.e vault or secure notes.
Faspaiso said:
I was under the impression that on Android pie Google would allow all biometrics as options to login to apps instead of fingerprint only.
Is anyone successful with this?
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I haven't tried my banking app yet but google pay uses it.
It is also just as secure as fingerprint and as secure as iphone.
addicted2phones said:
I think it requires 3rd party developers to implement. Can't really see this happening as only a few phones have the 3d face scanning built in. I mean I think even Huawei doesn't have any apps that uses this technology i.e vault or secure notes.
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It was just my understanding that Google implemented it for Pie the same way as for iOS. The apps for ios is just coded for biometric. No need to specify if it should be faceID or an older touchid phone.
So the apps should just ask for biometric authentication and therefor it should use whatever I has active.
The app developer would need to code it for FaceID, both my banking apps have settings within the app to use fingerprint login, there would be a setting required to provide faceID login likewise. The same also applies to my phone carriers usage meter, they have only just modified it for fingerprint login.
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There is currently no Android standard for face unlock so using it as an identification for banking apps or making payments would be very insecure. Different Android phones currently use different methods to implement face unlock and some of those methods can be bypassed with a photograph.
So I currently have a Tmobile Note 8 that I just found out that rooting it will prevent me from installing apps like bank apps and using samsung pay. I also have an At&t Note 10 plus for work but I dont want to root it as if something happens how will I explain it to my boss lol. So being that my Note 8 is 3 years old I decided that it's time to upgrade to a new phone. My question is what phone can I buy that I will still be able to install bank apps and keep using google or samsung pay. I'm open to any suggestions
Thank you
David
these guidelines will help
--- find out if rooting is easily available for the phone
--- take a look at extant ROMs and see what are the problems associated with those ... in the latest update and how easy it is to fix them or else live with them
--- broader the user base better it is find support available for various issues
--- coming to your question on banking apps it has nothing to do with what phone you want to buy
if you root that phone and the banking app has various checks and balances to detect root you may not be able to use it. with passage of time banking apps are clamping down on root detection and unfortunately Evasive measures are not sufficient so those fighting for root and wanting to use banking apps ... are on the losing side
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I decided to root ky Pixel 6 and found out that i couldn't get around the security from germans banking apps.
simple soloution. have magisk/zygisk installed and set the root mode to "user" in the settings of magisk manager.
then go to your settings and setup a second user (wont have root) install your banking apps and enjoy the ability to use them with an rooted device
edit: this method was tested for Sparkasse app's
• S-Push Tan
• Mobiles Bezahlen
IndubidablyStoned said:
I decided to root ky Pixel 6 and found out that i couldn't get around the security from germans banking apps.
simple soloution. have magisk/zygisk installed and set the root mode to "user" in the settings of magisk manager.
then go to your settings and setup a second user (wont have root) install your banking apps and enjoy the ability to use them with an rooted device
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I'm not being critical of your choices but why would anyone chance having a banking institution or any financial app including
GPay on a rooted device? Isn't there a much greater chance of being compromised by an app or inadvertent web link? And if the banking institution sees that a bogus user was created what are the chances of recovering funds obtained through fraudulent activity? I understand why people want to root don't get me wrong, but money transfers and transactions on that device seem a little reckless to me. But I could be wrong, just curious of the thinking here.
i Understand, but if you want to have an custom DAC like Viper4Android you kinda need root. my intention isnt to do fraudulent activity, as i mentioned in the Post you dont have Root access on that second user
IndubidablyStoned said:
i Understand, but if you want to have an custom DAC like Viper4Android you kinda need root. my intention isnt to do fraudulent activity, as i mentioned in the Post you dont have Root access on that second user
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You misunderstood my concern wrt banking activity. I didn't suggest that you were doing anything fraudulent but if you were the victim of fraudulent activity would the bank still cover you with a bogus account you created? I don't know if what you did was entirely proper or not but that was not the issue I thought you might be concerned about.
As I said, I completely understand your desire to root be it V4A or DAC or even ad blocking. I just wonder the benefit vs the exposure if you are using banking apps. Without financial transactions occurring on the phone I doubt there is much to worry about other than what we are all concerned about root or not.
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I'm not being critical of your choices but why would anyone chance having a banking institution or any financial app including
GPay on a rooted device? Isn't there a much greater chance of being compromised by an app or inadvertent web link? And if the banking institution sees that a bogus user was created what are the chances of recovering funds obtained through fraudulent activity? I understand why people want to root don't get me wrong, but money transfers and transactions on that device seem a little reckless to me. But I could be wrong, just curious of the thinking here.
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Considering DirtyPipe exists and has not been patched yet (plus how long it already took to even acknowledge the problem in the first place), rooting is the least of our worries when it comes to monetary transactions/banking and android.
Bear in mind that DirtyPipe is only one elevation exploit that we've heard about. And for every disclosed vulnerability there are dozens of others that nobody's aware of. The market for rooted android users is very small compared to the overall android phone-user market. Creating exploits specifically targeting rooted phones would be a waste of time and effort compared to working on privilege escalation on non-rooted devices; from a hacker's perspective you want to hit the largest volume of targets in cases like these.
I've been rooting my phones for 10 years now, and my usage of banking/fintech apps on my devices has increased consistently. Applying common sense opsec/infosec practices can negate a large percentage of the perceived risk that root access exposes you to.
On the other hand, if someone wants to target you specifically, as an individual, you're screwed, root or no root, unless you're aware of the risks that come with technology and the pitfalls of android (iOS can be perceived as more secure but when it comes to individual targeting/attacks, there are expensive tools made by some of the world's top intelligence organizations that can wreck havoc on iOS as well)
TL;DR you're never truly safe, root or no root.
Unfortunately that doesn't worked for me
I tested the following apps:
SecureGo
VR SecureGo
Mobiles bezahlen
Every App doesn't launch. Sparkasse is quitting instantly and SecureGo Apps are stuck with their logo.
On the rootet user I get the Browser-warning (of SecureGo) that my device doesn't meet the security requierements. So far so good, but on the non-rooted uses i would have expect that they're working.
Any Idea? I'm on April Build.
i dont know currently, i dont have root anymore since i had to update to the April Update. i'll update if there is something that can be done
Maybe you could confirm that these Apps launch on April build without root? That could help to research the problem a bit. Thanks!
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...but on the non-rooted uses i would have expect that they're working.
Any Idea? I'm on April Build.
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Maybe these apps are not supporting fully Android 12?
I have an app which, until recently, was freezing when the location was enabled. To be exact, when "Use precise location" was enabled. Only location access the app was not freezing, but couldn't get the coordinates.
Maye this is a similar situation here.
Cheers
Tom
hanni2301 said:
Unfortunately that doesn't worked for me
I tested the following apps:
SecureGo
VR SecureGo
Mobiles bezahlen
Every App doesn't launch. Sparkasse is quitting instantly and SecureGo Apps are stuck with their logo.
On the rootet user I get the Browser-warning (of SecureGo) that my device doesn't meet the security requierements. So far so good, but on the non-rooted uses i would have expect that they're working.
Any Idea? I'm on April Build.
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I managed to get the VR Secure Go app working by doing the steps in the op plus using ice box and freezing magisk and the bank apps. I'm on April, too and I'm using radioactive kernel. Rooted stock kernel works as well on my device, but I had issues with the bank apps on some other kernels.
So to confirm, you need to freeze magisk on the rooted user and you're able to use the bank apps on the second (non rooted) user?
On which user you would freeze the bank apps? I doesn't have them installed on the rooted user.
Thanks in advance that you can definitely confirm its not the fault of April built.
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So to confirm, you need to freeze magisk on the rooted user and you're able to use the bank apps on the second (non rooted) user?
On which user you would freeze the bank apps? I doesn't have them installed on the rooted user.
Thanks in advance that you can definitely confirm its not the fault of April built.
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I only have one user (the rooted user). I've done the following steps:
1. Configure magisk: activate Zygisk and setup deny list for the banking apps
2. Hide magisk app
3. Freeze magisk and banking apps with Ice Box
ok, that is the normal way which is different to the approach the thread starter has chosen.
I use deny list plus hide my applist and works fine with Sparkasse, s-push and mobil bezahlen no need to freeze or use a second user profile
How do you do that, hide applist?
You can bypass it by
Download App Named Shelter from Play store.
The App will create work profile and you can bypass any bank or app you facing issue with it.
When completed create work profile you can clone Bank App and use if.
As Information, It works out of the Box with Magisk denylist,
You only need to Install Ice Box and hide Magisk Manager, even if it is using a random name, "Mobiles Bezahlen" would detect it.
Magisk + Ice Box is sufficient on latest Miui 13 as well!
Regards!
Not sure but I think island could help not sure though as I'm not rooted the app is made by greenify
Only as info, these 2 Apps, Postbank Finanzassistent and Postbank BestSign working by default on a rooted device.
I like Postbank