Older LTE devices getting slower admid network upgrades - Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I think I've noticed something and I'm wondering if anyone has noticed it too.
I have a 4 year old iPad pro 9.7 which has a LTE cat 4 modem 150mbps/50 Mbps and a Pixel XL LTE Cat9 450mbps/150mbps.
And on these older devices internet speeds have decreased over time particularly noticeable on the iPad which now gets around 5 Mbps / < 1mbps, much slower than when I bought it. the Pixel XL is slower too than it used to be too.
My new devices OnePlus 6t and Samsung s10e cat16/cat18 get 75 - 100 / 10 - 20 in the same location on a postpaid account.
This experience is on T-Mobile.
Do you think it's possible that older LTE devices naturally decline in speed as the network is upgraded and optimized for faster devices? Just wondering what everyone thinks and if anyone has experienced this too.

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We know how much you like to stream, ahem, "videos", and so cellular data is mega-important. Rate this thread to express how you think the Huawei Mate 9's LTE performs. A higher rating indicates that it's fantastic: throughput is excellent and signal strength is top-notch.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add.
Getting slow speeds on T-Mobile. The area where I live has great 4glte coverage that my other devices pick up easily. Just got my mate 9 today and hoping the speed improves over the next couple of days so that I don't have to return this otherwise awesome phone. Anyone have similar problems or know a fix?
I'm on T-mobile and I feel like I get better much reception/performance than I did with My Note 3. But my Note 3 was an AT&T version which didn't support Band 12, so being able to take advantage of Band 12 now may be part of the improvement.
I drive through a tunnel everyday and used to lose the call 100℅ of the time on the Nexus 6P. Not on the Mate 9. Tmobile carrier.
My old phone had 2/5 bars 4G inside my house, mate 9 has 4-5/5 bars 4G+ and speed is generally very good, the network connection is very stable even when signal is low.
On AT&T. Consistently gets 4-6 dbm better on LTE than my ATT Note 5. I maintain usable LTE reception in many areas the note 5 cannot. The note 5 already outclassed many other phones in RF signal strength -- the mate 9 is a stellar performer in this regard.
EDIT: 4-8dbm better than OnePlus 3T, 4-5 better than LG G5. Also on ATT.
On T-Mobile I'm getting an average of 4-5 dbm's better than any other phone. It seems like Huawei is the new king of radios. That's one of the reasons I ended up keeping my Mate 9. I am getting service in spots (for example the pro shop in my bowling alley) where I never even had any service before.
I get very fast speeds on sim 1, I can download, stream, whatever.
ajsmsg78 said:
On T-Mobile I'm getting an average of 4-5 dbm's better than any other phone. It seems like Huawei is the new king of radios. That's one of the reasons I ended up keeping my Mate 9. I am getting service in spots (for example the pro shop in my bowling alley) where I never even had any service before.
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you said tmobile, does that mean it would work on metro pcs
bigbabo said:
you said tmobile, does that mean it would work on metro pcs
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it works great on Metropcs. I get full LTE in Dallas/Fort Worth area.

Note 8 reception/speed worse than Note 5 ??

I have the Note 5 and the Note 8, both T-Mobile branded. I haven't tested the wifi yet, but as far as cellular reception/speed goes, the 2-year old Note 5 seems to consistently outperform the Note 8, and in some cases, crushes the newer model. I felt the Note 8 was slower, but I was able to confirm objectively looking at the consistent numbers generated by the speedtest app.
Is the Note 8 cellular reception known to be below average or was the Note 5 a stellar performer? Or is it likely that I have a Note 8 that's an underperforming dud?
Should I bring the Note 8 to a T-Mobile store and have one of the associates run the speedtest app simultaneously with another one of their Note 8s that are on display (with T-Mobile SIMs in both)?
s2kdriver80 said:
I have the Note 5 and the Note 8, both T-Mobile branded. I haven't tested the wifi yet, but as far as cellular reception/speed goes, the 2-year old Note 5 seems to consistently outperform the Note 8, and in some cases, crushes the newer model. I felt the Note 8 was slower, but I was able to confirm objectively looking at the consistent numbers generated by the speedtest app.
Is the Note 8 cellular reception known to be below average or was the Note 5 a stellar performer? Or is it likely that I have a Note 8 that's an underperforming dud?
Should I bring the Note 8 to a T-Mobile store and have one of the associates run the speedtest app simultaneously with another one of their Note 8s that are on display (with T-Mobile SIMs in both)?
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My Note 8 running the speed test app is faster than my rooted Nexus 6 and my S8+. I'd take it to a T-Mobile store and see what they have to say. The Nexus 6 runs around 50Mbps, the S8+ runs around 60Mbps and the Note 8 hits 80Mbps all at the same exact spot.
My N8 is a UK exynos unbranded & my N5 is a Tmobile. At home where I don't get geat reception, my N8 shows lower bars than my N5. But my speed is faster on my my N8. Wifi speed is pretty much the same.
Didnt own the Note 5, but did own the Note 3 and Note 4, about the same speeds on my Note 8 here, all T MO versions.
How do you guys that buy imported devices utilize warranty, or don't you?
Ok... so I played around with another T-Mobile Note 8 and the results were very similar to the first one. The older T-Mobile Note 5 seems to be more capable of pulling in weak signals in a shielded building. However, the Note 8 has a much higher ceiling provided that the reception is good. In the mall parking lot of the T-Mobile store, I was able to download at a speed of 150+ Mb/s on the Note 8 while the Note 5 was limited to around 100 Mb/s.
From what I've read newer faster frequencies are weaker...that's why 5G antennas are being deployed at shorter distances...
I have the unlocked Note 8 version running on T-Mobile, with a family member who has the Mobile version of the Note 8. When doing speed test next to each, the unlocked version seams to be a lot faster. Seems like the unlocked version is using CA more efficiently. While the T-Mobile version camps on Band 12 as primary more often even with a decent band 2, or 4 available. The unlocked version seams to choose, a less overloaded band as the primary band first.
Speed test were around 20-40mb faster with the unlocked version, some areas even had double the speed. A few times the speeds were very close between the two. Might be the radio needs to be updated, or you can try flashing the unlocked version radio.
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I recently upgraded from a T-Mobile Note 5 to a Note8. We travel from Greensboro, NC to Harrisburg, PA quite often and I've noticed that on those trips the Note 5 outperformed the Note8 in reception. Couldn't believe it myself.
This is what I'm continuously finding, pretty consistently... that when the signal is strong, the Note 8's speed is pretty awesome and trounces the Note 5. However, when the signal is lacking, the Note 8 really struggles pretty badly. I hope T-Mobile will fix this with their next update. The fact that the unlocked version of the Note 8 seems to pull in signals better than the T-Mobile-branded version (reportedly) means that this should be fixable by firmware.
My speed tests using same location and server are almost the same with my other Samsung device compared to my tmo Note 8. Not better and not worst.
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This is easily the fastest phone I've had both Wi-Fi and network.
My n5 is be lucky to hit 80 mbs off the network and 55 on Wi-Fi. I pay for 65 off Spectrum.
The n8 I get 150 off the network and right on the nose of 65 for Wi-Fi.
Mines the T-Mobile verison.
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It seems to be better than my Note 5 when I had it. But it definitely has better signal in areas than my V20 did.
JesseMT4G said:
This is easily the fastest phone I've had both Wi-Fi and network.
My n5 is be lucky to hit 80 mbs off the network and 55 on Wi-Fi. I pay for 65 off Spectrum.
The n8 I get 150 off the network and right on the nose of 65 for Wi-Fi.
Mines the T-Mobile verison.
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Daum!! Peak hour I get 3 mbps download off peak I get about 30 mbps. On the network. On my note 8. Mobile version.
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lildoggs said:
Daum!! Peak hour I get 3 mbps download off peak I get about 30 mbps. On the network. On my note 8. Mobile version.
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I get really good signal where I am at with T-Mobile. It trumps any other carrier here. No in the boonies, not so much.
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JesseMT4G said:
I get really good signal where I am at with T-Mobile. It trumps any other carrier here. No in the boonies, not so much.
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Ha ha. I work in Manhattan and I would think the service here should be very good because usually bigger cities get better service. But here I get full bars and it says 4glte but probably getting 3g speeds. It's a shame. Lol
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lildoggs said:
Ha ha. I work in Manhattan and I would think the service here should be very good because usually bigger cities get better service. But here I get full bars and it says 4glte but probably getting 3g speeds. It's a shame. Lol
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I live in a small city compared to you. I'd imagine a city like Manhattan gets bogged down some. Sucks for sure.
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JesseMT4G said:
I live in a small city compared to you. I'd imagine a city like Manhattan gets bogged down some. Sucks for sure.
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Yup. That's why I need to move to a small city then I'll finally be able to watch a YouTube video without turning in my WiFi. Lol
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Yup. That's why I need to move to a small city then I'll finally be able to watch a YouTube video without turning in my WiFi. Lol
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And before you sign the papers for the new home, make sure you get signal in your home. LOL
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Limeybastard said:
And before you sign the papers for the new home, make sure you get signal in your home. LOL
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Hell yeah! Lol
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My LTE data speed is faster on my Note8 then on my PixelXL...

Note 4 user still looking for answers.Hotspot Max users on note 8? galaxy tools work?

Limited to 8 users on hotspot ? Or is there a workaround? Use galaxy tools on my note 4 to set any number.
With all my smarthome gear I get up to 15 connections with company, Over 10 normally
Looking to upgrade phones and switch to T-Mobile but wondering if I'm better off getting a T-Mobile note 4 first that I can use as my home Wi-Fi. Vs a note 8 or 9 that will likely be overkill for just a hotspot line that only supports 8 connections Max.
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Limited to 8 users on hotspot ? Or is there a workaround? Use galaxy tools on my note 4 to set any number.
With all my smarthome gear I get up to 15 connections with company, Over 10 normally
Looking to upgrade phones and switch to T-Mobile but wondering if I'm better off getting a T-Mobile note 4 first that I can use as my home Wi-Fi. Vs a note 8 or 9 that will likely be overkill for just a hotspot line that only supports 8 connections Max.
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I've never had that many devices hooked to my phone at once to test max users..lol. It does say 8 devices max in settings though. I went from note 4 to the note 8 and my dl speeds are Awesome with Tmobile!
Wow
Those speeds are blazing in comparison.
I'm getting 25-40 down and 3-7 up
Been reading about T-Mobile hotspot throttling though. Cable company wants 6 grand to install cable. I use around 100gb a month and even when I'm over my 4g limit of 50g I rarely see a noticeable decline in speeds. Possibly due to my rural location.
Waiting for note 10 now to see if there are any pricing deals. Seems 400-600 is going rate for a good used 9 now. Not interested in the 8 anymore really. People still want to much for it in comparison.

Question pixel 5 vs pixel 6 vs pixel 6 pro signal strength

hi can anyone tell me if the radio in the pixel 6 is stronger than pixel 5? I'm using the unlock version for tmobile. Pixel 5 is ok but would like to know if pixel 6 is better and if the mmwave from pixel 6 pro is worth it.
(UK based) I've not noticed on 4G the signal showing any better than my Pixel 2 XL, but at a place it would show a low signal my Pixel 2 XL was impossible to use for web browsing, but the Pixel 6, whilst showing the same low signal was useable, not great, but did manage to bring up some web pages, so was able to work better with the rubbish reception.
As for mmWave and is it worth it I will let others answer that question as in the UK its as rare as hens teeth. I think it seems to have only been invented so they could market super fast headline speeds for 5G, and apart from that, has little practical benefit.
I have a Pixel 5a still and from my two days driving around I can say that the 5a has better 5G reception than the P6 so far. No mmwave on my P6 - I didn't want to shell out the extra $100 for ATT variant.
(US on ATT).
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I have a Pixel 5a still and from my two days driving around I can say that the 5a has better 5G reception than the P6 so far. No mmwave on my P6 - I didn't want to shell out the extra $100 for ATT variant.
(US on ATT).
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damn well that sucks
I noticed (two days side by side usage) Pixel 6 reception far more spotty then iphone 12 Max Pro. US Northeast, Verizon Wireless. Both phone used concurrently. iPhone rock solid compared to Pixel. Even my old Pixel 4a is better than Pixcel 6.
YMMV.
I would not go by the signal strength icon right now on the P6. It needs to be tweeked with a software update to read more accurately.
The P5 had the same exact issue last year when it was released.
I don't really see any difference between the pixel 5 and 6 reception. They both are not great. I was hoping 5he January update would improve it some but it just fixed the complete disaster that was December update.
As far as mmwave it is not worth it. The reception on mmwave is so poor and it would cost so much money to deploy. Right now I think it is really only in sports stadiums and malls places where there's alot of people in a small area and also in areas where there is no Verizon FiOS access. Eventually it will grow but I think it's going to be years before it's good enough. They basically have to have a cell tower on every corner and that will take years. And sub 6 5g is basically LTE++
For me signal strength on pixel 6 in LTE networks (no 5G for my country) is same as on my colleagues' phones which at work is around -75 dBm. At my home signal is weaker at around -100 dBm but i stay connected to LTE and don't see any missed calls or inability to use internet. Unfortunately i have not measured signal at home with my old phone (oneplus 7) for comparison.
After all modem in Tensor chip is same as in the exynos chipset used in samsung galaxy s20 series. Sure newest qualcomm is better as well as the exynos in the s21 series but our modem should be pretty good when google learn how to adapt their software to it.
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I don't really see any difference between the pixel 5 and 6 reception. They both are not great. I was hoping 5he January update would improve it some but it just fixed the complete disaster that was December update.
As far as mmwave it is not worth it. The reception on mmwave is so poor and it would cost so much money to deploy. Right now I think it is really only in sports stadiums and malls places where there's alot of people in a small area and also in areas where there is no Verizon FiOS access. Eventually it will grow but I think it's going to be years before it's good enough. They basically have to have a cell tower on every corner and that will take years. And sub 6 5g is basically LTE++
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Verizon and AT&T are supposed to go live with C band today (unless you live near an airport). From what I have read, this seems like the only real benefit of 5G. It is supposed to fall between Sub-6 and mm wave for speed and range.
Does anyone know how to tell if I connected to it?
Whether due to the Jan update or the fact that I disabled 2G on my phone, the signal on my P6 improved significantly. I've never been able to get 5G at my home and now get mid to full signal.
Happy user...
derausgewanderte said:
Whether due to the Jan update or the fact that I disabled 2G on my phone, the signal on my P6 improved significantly. I've never been able to get 5G at my home and now get mid to full signal.
Happy user...
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Are you a Verizon or AT&T customer by any chance? The were supposed to enable C Band yesterday.
chaimav said:
Are you a Verizon or AT&T customer by any chance? The were supposed to enable C Band yesterday.
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oops, thought it's in my sig. ATT -US
What are your speeds now? I haven't noticed any great leaps in my area, also AT&T
chaimav said:
What are your speeds now? I haven't noticed any great leaps in my area, also AT&T
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I figured out why my speeds didn't increase. It's a very limited roll out
AT&T 5G+ gets a boost with C-Band in several US cities and on 17 phones
AT&T is jumping straight into C-Band 5G with coverage in eight metro areas and support for the network ready on several of its 5G phones.
www.androidcentral.com
I'm on TMobile P6, practically sitting on a tower, right off a major expressway, suburban, about 5 miles from major airport. Using Network Cell app, Playstore, I'm getting 5G about ⅔ of the time, average download speed, 300 Gbps. I'm using Speed Check & FCC for those tests though. The beta speed test in Network Cell is not quite ready for primetime. The rest of the app, is well developed, and been around for many years. Best speed from my previous device, LG V40 thin Q was 4G+ around average 150 mbps download. Signal strength around -92 to -102 for the P6, the LG was around -110.

Question Hotspot T-Mobile

Got my Pixel 6 and I'm getting awful hotspot speeds. My OP8T gets 200-300Mbps speeds and I'm getting under 1Mbps with my Pixel. Anybody else tested their hotspot on T-Moble? I'm not rooted using system hotspot.
I haven't checked yet. But try changing the DNS to private and use 1dot1dot1dot1.cloudflare-dns.com . That helped my data speeds a bit.
Got it fixed by unlocking and rooting. Speeds still not as fast as my OP8T but I like the phone better.
I noticed that there is now a new icon for data, which I have found to be interesting. T-Mobile recently released the new 5G UC (Ultra capacity), mid-range, and the device is getting 300+ Mbps. When it drops to 5G only, I see the difference down to 150 Mbps.
For hotspot, are you throttled by your plan? Well, somewhat moot now being that you rooted

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