I would like you to check something that drives me mad with my new Oppo Reno 2. In camera settings, I always set video settings in 1080p and 60 fps. Whenever I change to bokeh effect or wide angle for example, when I untick one of them, values for camera reset to 1080p 30 fps. It´s annoying changing this every time I want to make a video. Even if I do not change anything and shoot a video in 60 fps non ultra stabilization mode, and get out of the camera app, a time later when I enter again, values for camera are changed to 1080 30 fps again. I do not know the reason why or because it is something about performance or battery saving or not.
I just would like you to check if this happens. Change settings to 60 fps and change to wide angle or do not change anything and do whatever you want with your smartphone and after a while, don´t know how much, enter again and see if it changes. Much appeciate it.
EDIT. I must add that it seems that setting main camera to 48 mg also resets to default after a while. What´s this?
Haha. Happens to me either.
I was like "what the hell, didn't I switched to 60fps the other day?"
Let's just hope that Color OS 7 will fix this little issue.
Thanks a lot mate. Thanks a lot for answering. It's a really great great beautiful stylish smartphone and I'm glad I'm not the only one facing that bug. Anyway, I will always stick on 1080p 60 fps through ultra stabilization button every time I use the video because I think it's incredible the result, too much to miss it. That's the trick I use.
I'm new with this Oppo, only two days and I'm getting used to it. And one thing around my mind is the aspect ratio of photos. The gorgeous screen invites me to take photos in full screen mode as the difference in quality seems not to be enormous and this full screen makes people astonish when they see a photo just taken at the moment in all its splendor without any black bars at both sides.
But I know the quality is 4000x1800 in full screen mode and 4000x3000 in 4:3 aspect. Do you prefer taking photos in one or other aspect ratio? The screen is so good that I don't want to miss anything at all. And as we can't yet use our personal preferences in settings such as 48 megapixels mode, which I'll stick if its solved by an update, which are your preferences when taking photos according to these two aspect ratios? And thanks again. Writing from Spain here.
Well, i'm no expert at all, but i'd say that 48mpx mode is the only mod i would not advise, as there's always some loss in terms of color.
Using full-screen mode or default 4:3 is probably based on personal taste. You're losing much information (as the photo is much narrower) and it can be harder to put everything you want in the frame.
Though, it looks very good in the phone's gallery indeed.
I'd probably go for using full screen if you watch your photos only on your phone, but 4:3 for a more versatile use.
Mates, absolutely solved everything with new update to Color 7. Camera settings will remain as our personal preferences. More intuitive camera options. Now it's perfect.
About using one or other aspect ratio in photos, I mean in terms of quiality, I don´t know what to do. I do not want to loose quality using full screenmode if that means that using 4.3 aspect ratio implies a better quality. But what I can tell is that versatility is also present in full screen mode because if we see photos on tv, it aproaches to that aspect ratio and there´s more space taken by the picture on screen. Making a photo report or video report also takes advantage of this ratio because when we use the programs to edit photos and make a photo compilation, it adapts to that kind of format. So the only dude here is quality. Perhaps is the same in both modes.
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Hey everyone. I was just wondering what was everyone's take on the settings for the camera. I'm still undecided on the Anti-Shake usage in camera mode. It seems that it has a tendency to add more grain/noise to the picture (you can even notice it by carefully looking on the screen when you enable and disable it). Does it really help reduce blurry photos (since the phone does have digital image stabilization)? Also, same thing for video mode using video stabilization. Is it really beneficial to have it enabled? Since if you take pictures while recording, I think the resolution of the photo alters. Just wanted to know what would be the best settings in overall day-to-day usage.
I was just coming in here to complain about the camera myself and see what others are saying for best settings. I cannot either seem to get mine to take pictures without being blurry - in any type of light or with the flash.
Anyone notice that one the T-Mobile Edge, that when you set "Video Stabilization" to "On" it actually doesnt stabilize the video?
Only when you set it to "off," it'll stabilized the video recording?
It's kind of the opposite, not sure why no one else noticed.
Could be wrong here, but I believe that while recording you not going to notice any stabilization. It's happening but you won't see it until replaying the processed video after the recording is done.
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Could be wrong here, but I believe that while recording you not going to notice any stabilization. It's happening but you won't see it until replaying the processed video after the recording is done.
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To check video and photo stabilization, try zooming in to 3x, point it at something and try to do a recording with it On and off, the video will do the opposite.
It work none the less, but it's counter intuitive to have it day off when it's actually on.
OP seems to be spot on. Same problem with my regular S6. Video stabilization = off turns stabilization on. With it = on, videos are jittery as hell where even my pulse through my fingertips causes the camera to shake.
So guess there's a bug in the camera app.
I just noticed the same thing with my unbranded regular Galaxy S6. If you have video stabilization turned on in camera app settings it is in fact turned off. I was surprised how poorly it stabilizes the video, so I had to use 'Stabilize' option in YouTube. Then I thought maybe my optical image stabilization component is damaged so I started playing with it and once I turned it off my video stabilization started to work very well. So it seems to be a bug in camera software. Anyway - if you want to have video stabilization you need to have it turned off Samsung logic
The reasoning is because the video stabilization setting in the camera app turns on DIGITAL Image Stabilizing by Samsung via software which is really just counterproductive to the Optical Image Stabilization already built into the camera.
So yeah, trust the OIS hardware because typically hardware > software in this field.
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The reasoning is because the video stabilization setting in the camera app turns on DIGITAL Image Stabilizing by Samsung via software which is really just counterproductive to the Optical Image Stabilization already built into the camera.
So yeah, trust the OIS hardware because typically hardware > software in this field.
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Just a question so OIS is default by default and always on am I right? Even on UHD recording?
More evidence that the switch in the camera options refers to DIGITAL image stabilization:
Set video resolution to FHD (not the 60fps option). Otherwise, the Video Stabilization setting is not available (grayed out).
Set the Video Stabilization setting to "ON".
Go back to the camera, zoom in fully (8x). While pointing at something easily identifiable, without shooting video, note that the image is stabilized quite well -- you can simulate "shaky hands" and the image is very stable, not jittery. However, you are not shooting video yet, so settings specific to video are not activated. What's happening here is the OIS is working, and doing a very good job.
Now, click the video recording button. You will notice two changes in the image: It will zoom in a little bit more without any zooming input from you, and the image will get rather UNSTABLE.
It turns out, what you had selected in the settings is actually, truly, being invoked. No, this is not a bug. The switch is not acting the opposite of how its labeled, even though the RESULT is exactly that in practice.
Here's what's happening: As someone else noted, that switch controls digital image stabilization. This is a software process, that basically crops off a small margin all the way around the picture and reserves these pixels for calculating a smaller moving "window" in the larger captured image space. The software tries to move this window around so that it follows the random small movements from jiggling, unsteady hands, etc. In this way, the image appears stable rather than moving around in the capture space.
This is why, when DIS is turned on, the displayed image zooms a little bit -- that's the "reserve image edges" being cropped off and the remaining image being expanded into the display area.
So, here's what I think is happening: When you have Video Stabilization on, the phone turns off OIS and enables the DIS algorithm. The OIS camera hardware is something like a Googolplex times better as IS than Samsung's crappy algorithm, so the end result is the appearance of IS being turned OFF and a little loss of resolution of the video image as well.
Once the video is stopped, after a few seconds you'll see the DIS turned off, OIS turned back on, and the image will zoom out a tiny bit and become very stable again.
Bottom line: The Video Stabilization setting in the S6 camera app is worse than useless. It's adverse. It should be left off at all times under all conditions.
How did this happen? My guess is, the engineering team responsible for the hardware was organizationally distant enough from the camera software team (keep in mind the latter are trying to develop an app that can run across many phones). The hardware guys put this incredible camera in the phone with awesome OIS. The software guys, not focused only on the S6, passed through the DIS that's been in the camera app forever, and no one engineer was responsible for integrating all this stuff for the camera feature itself, testing it, making sense of it, blah blah blah.
And here we are.
Bottom line: Because of the OIS in the S6, the DIS feature in the camera app is unnecessary and should be left OFF. In fact, the way it works misleads the user into thinking IS can't be had with the video resolutions higher than non-60fps FHD. In fact, exceptional IS is available at all times in all resolutions for stills and video -- the hardware OIS is always on the job, unless you turn it off by turning on the [digital] Video Stabilization option in the settings.
The only bug here, if any, is that this setting seems to turn off OIS, when it doesn't need to. Perhaps with OIS on, and the DIS processing applied to that stabilized image, we might get something even better than OIS alone. Alas...
I am considering this device for my next phone but had a couple of questions about the camera. It is important to me to be able to take pictures in quick succession (like taking multiple photographs of moving objects etc.).
1. On some of the other competing phones, I've noticed the ability to take a bunch of photos in quick succession, with no lag (the phone is ready to take the next picture immediately after taking a picture). I have read on a couple of sites that after a picture is taken, the Z5/Z5C takes a second or two to save it, so that the camera is not immediately available for the next photo. For those who have experience with this phone, what has been your experience?
2. Is the camera experience on the Compact similar to that on the Z5 or are there any differences?
Thank you!
You can't take pictures in quick succession like that sadly. It takes a while :/
Thanks. Is the lag true of all modes (superior auto and manual) and all resolutions (8 my and 23 mp)?
Also, I read in a different post that by turning something called the 'Photo Analyzer' off, the lag between photos can be eliminated. Has any Z5C owner tried this out, and does this do as described in that post?
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Also, I read in a different post that by turning something called the 'Photo Analyzer' off, the lag between photos can be eliminated. Has any Z5C owner tried this out, and does this do as described in that post?
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You can use timeshift burst for Sony. It's an app in playstore.
It shoots 60 pics in 2 seconds, a bit lower quality but still good enough.
Edit: I made a quick video, so u can check it out while not having this device (yet?)
https://youtu.be/aP8dBfkU6QA
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Also, I read in a different post that by turning something called the 'Photo Analyzer' off, the lag between photos can be eliminated. Has any Z5C owner tried this out, and does this do as described in that post?
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I think Photo Analyzer created lagging in older and slower xperia but I don't found any different yet on Z5c before or after disabled it. I never use stock album(even disabled it...lol) probably Photo Analyzer won't mess me.
23MP is slower than expected but 8MP is fast(still slightly slower than my S6 but close to it). You'll need to switch to Sport Mode to shoot moving objects, so only 8MP available to you because scene mode limited to 8MP.
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You can use timeshift burst for Sony. It's an app in playstore.
It shoots 60 pics in 2 seconds, a bit lower quality but still good enough.
Thanks for the video! In practice, do you go in and examine all 60 photos and delete the ones that you don't need?
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I think Photo Analyzer created lagging in older and slower xperia but I don't found any different yet on Z5c before or after disabled it. I never use stock album(even disabled it...lol) probably Photo Analyzer won't mess me.
23MP is slower than expected but 8MP is fast(still slightly slower than my S6 but close to it). You'll need to switch to Sport Mode to shoot moving objects, so only 8MP available to you because scene mode limited to 8MP.
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Thanks for the reply! Two questions:
1. When you talk about 8MP being slightly slower than the S6 - in practice, let's say to photograph my dog, is this sufficiently fast enough? Is there a clear wait time after a photo is taken before I take the next one?
2. In Sport mode, is the lag negligible enough that I can shoot multiple back-to-back photos?
Thanks!
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Thanks for the reply! Two questions:
1. When you talk about 8MP being slightly slower than the S6 - in practice, let's say to photograph my dog, is this sufficiently fast enough? Is there a clear wait time after a photo is taken before I take the next one?
2. In Sport mode, is the lag negligible enough that I can shoot multiple back-to-back photos?
Thanks!
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1. 8MP enough no clear wait time, 23MP a bit harder
2. sport mode only 8MP
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1. 8MP enough no clear wait time, 23MP a bit harder
2. sport mode only 8MP
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In SuperAuto or Manual, you can take fast photos. sort of. If it has to do an autofocus, you have to wait. However if you take successive photos without the focus needing to change much, it is fairly fast. Like less half a second. However, if I tap as fast as I can, it can't keep up. Maybe 1 photo for every three taps.
Timeshift burst cant take photos very fast (8MP). However its a little annoying. You have to switch to that "mode" (basically start that app) if you want to do a timeshift photo. When you are in that mode, I think you are constantly taking photos. Once you hit the "shutter" it gives you -15 +15 photos or so. You can select which one you want, but when I goto the gallery, they're all still in there. It's not as convenient as on the iphone for example. On there, you just hold down the shutter and it takes photos for however long you hold it down. Then you choose what you want and the rest are deleted.
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Timeshift burst cant take photos very fast (8MP). However its a little annoying. You have to switch to that "mode" (basically start that app) if you want to do a timeshift photo. When you are in that mode, I think you are constantly taking photos. Once you hit the "shutter" it gives you -15 +15 photos or so. You can select which one you want, but when I goto the gallery, they're all still in there. It's not as convenient as on the iphone for example. On there, you just hold down the shutter and it takes photos for however long you hold it down. Then you choose what you want and the rest are deleted.
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In older xperia like Z1/Z2, Timeshift burst only takes 1920x1080 photo resolution(2MP). Is that increase to 8MP now on Z5c?
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langeveld024 said:
You can use timeshift burst for Sony. It's an app in playstore.
It shoots 60 pics in 2 seconds, a bit lower quality but still good enough.
Thanks for the video! In practice, do you go in and examine all 60 photos and delete the ones that you don't need?
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Yes I use it for thunderstorm lightnings especially. You can save 1 (or more) of those 60 shots separately and afterwards delete the timeshift pictures.
You can also review the timeshift pictures via stock album app.
However, if u decide to use another album app, you'll be a bit annoyed by every timeshift picture shows 60 pics that's why I delete the timeshift pics after saving the best 1 or 2 separately.
BTW, just made another video of an timeshift shot of a thunderstorm lightning I did last year with my old Xperia Z (C6603) https://youtu.be/ROmoWD_c9hM
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coming from a Lumia 930.. this z5c camera is.. terrible.
- Really slow shot burst (1 photo takes more than 1 second to save)
- When shooting at 23 mpx do yourself a favor and never, NEVER zoom it to 100%. Its only TERRIBLE.
- Low light and you can't use any flash? Don't try to take any photo at all. its just crap.
- Camera app "manual mode" is not manual at all. Changing the SCN (scene mode, night, portrait, food) is NOT manual by any mean
- Apps like Manual Camera (with all the real manual controls) just crash when you try to set iso, shutter time or manual focus (i read somewhere its caused by sony camera firmware, i don't know if its the real reason)
- When Camera is on the phone gets hot REALLY quickly, otherwise is always cold as ice.
- Timeshift video app is awesome
so.. yeah, decent camera, but i still cry when i see my old Lumia930's photos
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coming from a Lumia 930.. this z5c camera is.. terrible.
- Really slow shot burst (1 photo takes more than 1 second to save)
- When shooting at 23 mpx do yourself a favor and never, NEVER zoom it to 100%. Its only TERRIBLE.
- Low light and you can't use any flash? Don't try to take any photo at all. its just crap.
- Camera app "manual mode" is not manual at all. Changing the SCN (scene mode, night, portrait, food) is NOT manual by any mean
- Apps like Manual Camera (with all the real manual controls) just crash when you try to set iso, shutter time or manual focus (i read somewhere its caused by sony camera firmware, i don't know if its the real reason)
- When Camera is on the phone gets hot REALLY quickly, otherwise is always cold as ice.
- Timeshift video app is awesome
so.. yeah, decent camera, but i still cry when i see my old Lumia930's photos
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I think the current build is beta and got very high expectation on 6.0, if Sony doesn't fix the camera I'll consider to sell it out. But other than the camera, the screen, waterproof(no usb flag), stereo speaker are all real upgraded when compared to older Z1c/Z3c.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/general/disappointed-z5-camera-pictures-quality-t3217766/page82
There are a couple of guys on Z5 board keep repeating Z5 camera all around better than S6, G4/V10 or Lumia which made me laugh out though.
I want to ask something about some different video recording situations
What is best video recording options for wide angle video output (quality, stabilisation fps etc...)
What is best video recording options for normal angle video output (quality, stabilisation fps etc...)
What is best video recording options for X3 zoom video output (quality, stabilisation fps etc...)
I see not so many video options but you know what I mean, it's resolution.
Resolution changes the field of view output of video.
What are your settings and why are you using that for different situations.
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I use :
- 1080p 30fps : when I film in a regular way such as filming landscapes, or filming things I don't intend to put an emphasis on
- 1080 60fps : I use this more when I have "living" subject on my frame, such as filming my friends laughing or doing whatever they are up to. The idea is to be able to apply a little slow motion in post to emphasize some moments.
- 120fps : that option is on the slo-mo options. I only use that feature in great lighting and if I intend to create a more dramatic look to the moving subject I wish to apply a slow mo on. But I rarely use that feature since I don't have much opportunity to capture fast moving subject.
I recommend using the Pro mode for video since you can control the focus. (Manual focus, autofocus, focus lock)
Your camera settings depends on what you want to shoot. You will have to play around with all of them and well switch from a mode to another depending on the situation.
30fps provide better image quality
60fps is smoother but somehow less sharp in some situation
120fps don't use it if you don't have enough light otherwise you'll end up with a blurry not sharp not good looking slo-mo.
There are 3rd app such as FilmicPro that gives you more freedom with the camera settings. But I don't use them since I haven't found one that take advantage of the 3 lenses that comes with the Mate 20 Pro. So now I deal with the stock camera in Pro mode.
Hope it helps
This helps a lot. Thanks for posting details.
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I use :
- 1080p 30fps : when I film in a regular way such as filming landscapes, or filming things I don't intend to put an emphasis on
- 1080 60fps : I use this more when I have "living" subject on my frame, such as filming my friends laughing or doing whatever they are up to. The idea is to be able to apply a little slow motion in post to emphasize some moments.
- 120fps : that option is on the slo-mo options. I only use that feature in great lighting and if I intend to create a more dramatic look to the moving subject I wish to apply a slow mo on. But I rarely use that feature since I don't have much opportunity to capture fast moving subject.
I recommend using the Pro mode for video since you can control the focus. (Manual focus, autofocus, focus lock)
Your camera settings depends on what you want to shoot. You will have to play around with all of them and well switch from a mode to another depending on the situation.
30fps provide better image quality
60fps is smoother but somehow less sharp in some situation
120fps don't use it if you don't have enough light otherwise you'll end up with a blurry not sharp not good looking slo-mo.
There are 3rd app such as FilmicPro that gives you more freedom with the camera settings. But I don't use them since I haven't found one that take advantage of the 3 lenses that comes with the Mate 20 Pro. So now I deal with the stock camera in Pro mode.
Hope it helps
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Sure it helps. Thanks for your effort :good:
Has anyone tried recording 4K at 60fps using Open Camera?
I'm thinking of buying this phone but there are others around the same price that support that.
I have an Xperia XA2 Ultra. Open Camera allows the main selfie camera to record video in 4K 30fps when by default
it can only record 1080p
Could anyone try the app and let me know?
I would really appreciate it
"Serious Camera Error" when 4k 60fps is set.
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Has anyone tried recording 4K at 60fps using Open Camera?
I'm thinking of buying this phone but there are others around the same price that support that.
I have an Xperia XA2 Ultra. Open Camera allows the main selfie camera to record video in 4K 30fps when by default
it can only record 1080p
Could anyone try the app and let me know?
I would really appreciate it
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I just installed open camera, though I dont find the HDR option in video settings, but setting to 4k/60 with max buffer of 200 seems to record without a problem. I tried front facing camera, same goes...
I dont see an issue but again, I dont see HDR option in it, also the selfie camera on photo mode, max buffer and max quality seems only as good as normal camera app, the default camera app maybe even a little sharper but barely noticeable but if you really care for 60fps both back and front worked in [email protected] which is weird lol I never expected that, I need to go further testing to see how good the open camera is, compare 60fps in 4k to 60fps 30 and compare quality as well to get the full idea, but I did play around with photos a little bit, and to be honest open camera seemed to have much more artificial sharpness, the photo zoomed out looks sharp even sharper than default camera, but put on a big screen or zoomed in, the default camera has much more respectable sharpness that has way less noise and grain which makes the photo more realistic and more natural overall thats why I feel like the open camera is just a gimmick, all it can provide is 60fps in 4k in both cameras, but again I have to check the quality to see if its even worth it because even with quick tweaking in open camera, I still cant get the best combination of brightness sharpness and color accuracy, yet the default camera app gives a splendid true mix of those, maybe going deeper in manual settings adjusting all these aspects manually could lead to good quality outcomes, but to be honest, no one will ever want to adjust every time they wanna take a pic/video so yah
Thanks a lot Man
I get a lot of noise when recording 4K with the selfie camera, maybe because it wasn't meant to do that or it is just Open Camera.
Thanks again