Hey All,
I'm curious about compiling a native Linux app for the Nexus One, and wondering what the best way is to go about it in Ubuntu. I found this link for the G1:
http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Compiling_for_Android
Since the Snapdragon is also ARM I'm assuming this will work, but is there a decent way to do this on Ubuntu or is my best bet to install Debian in Virtualbox and compile it there?
Thanks,
-Dan
overridex said:
Hey All,
I'm curious about compiling a native Linux app for the Nexus One, and wondering what the best way is to go about it in Ubuntu. I found this link for the G1:
http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Compiling_for_Android
Since the Snapdragon is also ARM I'm assuming this will work, but is there a decent way to do this on Ubuntu or is my best bet to install Debian in Virtualbox and compile it there?
Thanks,
-Dan
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There's a certain amount of vagueness associated with your generalized request.
That said ... ubuntu is sooo very very closely related to debian in the linux fam!
Almost all things described in the link your reference will carry-over/hold-true in ubuntu as they are stated in debian.
But ... the real kicker is the specific app you're trying to compile.
Depending on what the app you want to build depends on ... will determine your overall success. While the reference posted link is insightful, you must understand the need to link against libraries being used. Many of these libraries (at least the basic 'c' ones) you'll find in the AOSP code in android's git repo.
I would suggest taking a look at the "external" projects found in the AOSP code to see how they utilize the makefile setup and build-environment and how they leverage bionic and others to build against.
The way those projects build out, would be essentially what you're looking for .. (I assume) again, I state this without knowing the specific app you have in mind.
Hope that helps.
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How well would a linux disto made for desktop PCs work with touch screen mouse inputs and no keboard support? (im assuming the Android VK doesnt work when you press on a textbox in a Linux Emulator)
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Sorry, I should have been more specific - by Linux native I didn't mean any app in particular, I just meant not a java Android app. I'm really just looking to compile a HelloWorld in C and run it at the shell on the Nexus at this point.
My main concern with the link I posted is that although Ubuntu is based on Debian, Ubuntu does not maintain an ARM version, and the package mentioned in that tutorial is not included in Ubuntu because of this.
So I'm just wondering if anyone has come up with a good solution for compiling for the Nexus in Ubuntu, or if I'm better off installing Debian in a virtual machine.
Thanks,
-Dan
http://android-tricks.blogspot.com/2009/02/hello-world-c-program-on-using-android.html
I think this is more of what I was looking for, I'll build AOSP and try out the agcc script.
-Dan
Another idea: find the Android source wherever Google hides it, I have forgotten, sorry! But they give instructions for setting up a whole ARM cross-compiling environment on x86/x64 Ubuntu, and as I recall, it was really easy, quick and automatic! (so easy, I did it just so I could compile some ARM apps myself, I really didn't need to compile Android, I don't build phones! )
After that, you too should be able to compile your own apps into native ARM binaries.
overridex said:
Sorry, I should have been more specific - by Linux native I didn't mean any app in particular, I just meant not a java Android app. I'm really just looking to compile a HelloWorld in C and run it at the shell on the Nexus at this point.
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To do this, you need a version of the ARM tools appropriate for your platform and then use them for building a static binary for Linux. You can find such tools at CodeSourcery (http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm). Given that you sound like you have Ubuntu, then the Linux version from this page, http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/[email protected]=lite, would be what you want. The key is to use the --static parm when you build the binary.
From there, just get your binary over onto the target and run it from the command shell.
Remember that static binaries are HUGE. They have to include all library functions linked in.
If you are looking for tiny binaries, look into the NDK and use the BUILD_EXECUTABLE rule for Android.mk.
A few more useful links, but not much that hasn't already been stated in previously referenced links:
http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/13/android-native-apps
http://honeypod.blogspot.com/2007/12/dynamically-linked-hello-world-for.html
http://honeypod.blogspot.com/2007/12/initialize-libc-for-android.html
I understand this is a UI preview, but will the full build be completly linux and use a linux kernel? I really don't want it to use anything Andrtoid related, otherwise it wouldn't truely be linux. :/
They have said they are only doing it at the start for compatibility.
And technically android is full Linux and therefore Ubuntu is now.
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Forty.Two said:
I understand this is a UI preview, but will the full build be completly linux and use a linux kernel? I really don't want it to use anything Andrtoid related, otherwise it wouldn't truely be linux. :/
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Hello,
To be honest, both Android and Ubuntu are both Linux based Distributions and both use a Linux kernel. In fact, both distributions branch from the same Linux source tree.
With this said, the touch preview uses the CyanogenMod 10.0 Android fork as a base. Ubuntu is ran inside of a chroot, This means that they are both using a shared kernel.
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Forty.Two said:
I understand this is a UI preview, but will the full build be completly linux and use a linux kernel? I really don't want it to use anything Andrtoid related, otherwise it wouldn't truely be linux. :/
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you dont like android ? they both from linux
I think the confusion here is that when most people who have used a Linux system in the past, prior to Android or didn't know that Android used the Linux kernel, they were actually using GNU/Linux, so they think that is what Linux is. Some people may even mix up that the X server is also a part of Linux.
But Android isn't GNU/Linux so when some one says 'Linux distro', they are probably thinking of a GNU/Linux distro, like Debian, Slackware, Fedora, Ubuntu, Red Hat, Mint, etc, and not just an OS that also happens to have the Linux Kernel in it.
So the title of this post probably should have been GNU/Linux or Android.
Findee said:
They have said they are only doing it at the start for compatibility.
And technically android is full Linux and therefore Ubuntu is now.
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android is java+linux and ubuntu is fully linux it's big differece
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bobo1337 said:
android is java+linux and ubuntu is fully linux it's big differece
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I think you are confusing linux and bsd.
http://m.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-differences-between-linux-and-bsd/1709
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In summary- android IS Linux. All the extra stuff you are used to calling Linux is just.... Extra stuff. Linux IS the kernel.
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I think you are confusing linux and bsd.
http://m.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-differences-between-linux-and-bsd/1709
Read #3
In summary- android IS Linux. All the extra stuff you are used to calling Linux is just.... Extra stuff. Linux IS the kernel.
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By that logic, technically, Android isn't Linux (since Android isn't a Kernel), rather Android uses Linux.
BukaKing said:
By that logic, technically, Android isn't Linux (since Android isn't a Kernel), rather Android uses Linux.
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That would also mean ubuntu isn't Linux
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That would also mean ubuntu isn't Linux
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Exactly, ubuntu isn't Linux, it is GNU/Linux meaning it runs the Linux kernel (Just like android does), and contains the GNU utilities and software that make the system usable. Android is also GNU/Linux, but android has less GNU software and most "apps" are run using dalvik. So really ubuntu and Linux are both running "Linux Kernel" but aren't just Linux. Pure Linux would just be the kernel as Linux isn't an OS.
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That would also mean ubuntu isn't Linux
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And that is why they are called Linux distribution.
And even calling Android a distribution is kind of a loose definition of what a distribution is and was. It used to be a long time ago that a distribution was intending to distribute Linux, which the only way Linux would be useful is to also have several applications and modules that make a useable operating system, that is what a distribution was. Android doesn't exactly fit that, users are not even really aware of or deal with Linux related things, although some of the apps they use may access parts of the file system (sysfs, procfs, etc), and users can install software that gives them access also. And it could be argued too though that Ubuntu doesn't exactly fit this either, since there are not stripped down versions and they are starting to force dominance of certain packages, but they still allow for low level access.
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This is what Richard Stallman has to say:
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#linuxsyswithoutgnu
Are there complete Linux systems without GNU? (#linuxsyswithoutgnu)
There are complete systems that contain Linux and not GNU; Android is an example. But it is a mistake to call them “Linux” systems.
Android is very different from the GNU/Linux system—because it contains very little of the GNU system, only Linux. Overall, it's a different system. If you call the whole system “Linux”, you will find it necessary to say things like, “Android contains Linux, but it isn't Linux, because it doesn't have the usual Linux [sic] libraries and utilities [meaning the GNU system].” Android contains just as much of Linux as GNU/Linux does. What it doesn't have is the GNU system. Android replaces that with Google software that works quite differently. Thus, what makes Android different is the lack of GNU.
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Exactly, ubuntu isn't Linux, it is GNU/Linux meaning it runs the Linux kernel (Just like android does), and contains the GNU utilities and software that make the system usable. Android is also GNU/Linux, but android has less GNU software and most "apps" are run using dalvik. So really ubuntu and Linux are both running "Linux Kernel" but aren't just Linux. Pure Linux would just be the kernel as Linux isn't an OS.
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And that is why they are called Linux distribution.
And even calling Android a distribution is kind of a loose definition of what a distribution is and was. It used to be a long time ago that a distribution was intending to distribute Linux, which the only way Linux would be useful is to also have several applications and modules that make a useable operating system, that is what a distribution was. Android doesn't exactly fit that, users are not even really aware of or deal with Linux related things, although some of the apps they use may access parts of the file system (sysfs, procfs, etc), and users can install software that gives them access also. And it could be argued too though that Ubuntu doesn't exactly fit this either, since there are not stripped down versions and they are starting to force dominance of certain packages, but they still allow for low level access.
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This is what Richard Stallman has to say:
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#linuxsyswithoutgnu
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I didn't read your u guys comment fully it's like 1 a.m here but anyways my comment was just show that people often use the word Linux loosely when referring to any Linux based operating system they'll call ubuntu Linux but then when it comes android not so because it's further off the tree and not pure Linux but the only pure Linux OS is well Linux (and yes Linux is an operating system though only command line that's all u need to constitute a OS) so I was just pointing out that this is a bit confusing it makes more sense when you refer to a Linux based OS as a distro but that's kinda hazy if simply using the kernel = distro then android is a distro but then same problem as b4 it's further off the tree so then does it mean it isn't a distro because of that which is actually due to differences with mobile phone hardware but we're taking about the os anyways I was just pointing out that this isn't very black and white
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To rephrase the question: Will the apps and system functions use languages other than java? In desktop Ubuntu, there was a wide assortment of languages the could be compiled and run as scripts. Will we see the same multi-language support on the full mobile distributions?
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To rephrase the question: Will the apps and system functions use languages other than java?
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They already do...QML
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To rephrase the question: Will the apps and system functions use languages other than java? In desktop Ubuntu, there was a wide assortment of languages the could be compiled and run as scripts. Will we see the same multi-language support on the full mobile distributions?
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It's hard to be completely certain what Canonical will do, but it is very likely it will support multiple languages.
Technically you can build applications on Android in any language you want provided there is a native runtime module or the language compiles to native libraries, but Java always sits in the middle.
From what I have seen with Ubuntu Touch, Java is not even included by default, I saw it pull openjdk when I installed Eclipse, and that Java is not even the same as the one Android uses.
Currently the only API that draws to the display is Qt5 and QML, other APIs like GTK+ and even Qt4 try to use an X server which doesn't exist currently, although you can route to a remote x server and display applications remotely.
But in terms of language support I've tested c, c++, JavaScript, python, bash scripts and java, and I'm almost certain perl will work. Again the problem is though, if they don't have Qt5 bindings they can only display on a remote x server or in a remotely connected terminal and not on the device.
1) Linux is not, I repeat, NOT an operating system. It's a kernel, which is the core coding which an operating system is based around. The kernel acts as a medium between software and hardware.
2) Ubuntu, Android, Fedora, Arch, WebOS , and etcetera are not Linux. They are Linux based operating systems that are built upon the Linux kernel.
3) BSD, Free BSD, Mac OS X+, iOS, and Solaris are all UNIX based operating systems. Linux is a clone of the UNIX kernel.
4) The GUI is not part of Linux. X server is a back end for the X11 window service. And is not included in the core kernel itself.
5) I like tacos.
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TingTingin said:
I didn't read your u guys comment fully it's like 1 a.m here but anyways my comment was just show that people often use the word Linux loosely when referring to any Linux based operating system they'll call ubuntu Linux but then when it comes android not so because it's further off the tree and not pure Linux
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Android is pure linux, with a google init system, rather than a GNU one..
but the only pure Linux OS is well Linux (and yes Linux is an operating system though only command line that's all u need to constitute an OS)
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What you are "seeing" when you refer to a comand line is almost enitrely made up of GNU coreutils(bash, ls, cd, rm, cp) running on a linux kernel. Linux is NOT an OS.
so I was just pointing out that this is a bit confusing it makes more sense when you refer to a Linux based OS as a distro but that's kinda hazy if simply using the kernel = distro then android is a distro but then same problem as b4 it's further off the tree so then does it mean it isn't a distro because of that which is actually due to differences with mobile phone hardware but we're taking about the os anyways I was just pointing out that this isn't very black and white
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A "distro" is usually made up of: The kernel (linux), the GNU coreutils, a package manager, a Desktop Environment, and some integrated applications. "linux" is a kernel. You can replace the kernel with any other compatible kernel, as Arch/HURD, Debian/kFreeBSD, and Arch/BSD have proven. Don't confuse linux with GNU/Linux.
Android is merely a distribution of liunx with a different set of coreutils, tablet based applications, and the play store as a package manager, and Dalvik VM.
linux is NOT andoperating system.
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Android is pure linux, with a google init system, rather than a GNU one..
What you are "seeing" when you refer to a comand line is almost enitrely made up of GNU coreutils(bash, ls, cd, rm, cp) running on a linux kernel. Linux is NOT an OS.
A "distro" is usually made up of: The kernel (linux), the GNU coreutils, a package manager, a Desktop Environment, and some integrated applications. "linux" is a kernel. You can replace the kernel with any other compatible kernel, as Arch/HURD, Debian/kFreeBSD, and Arch/BSD have proven. Don't confuse linux with GNU/Linux.
Android is merely a distribution of liunx with a different set of coreutils, tablet based applications, and the play store as a package manager, and Dalvik VM.
linux is NOT andoperating system.
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Wikipedia
Linux is a
Unix-like computer
operating system
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How Stuff Works
Linux is an operating system --
very much like UNIX -- that has
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Linux.org
Linux is an operating system that
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Linux is an operating system, a
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The Linux open source operating
system, or Linux OS, is a freely
distributable, cross-platform
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What is Linux?
Linux is, in simplest terms, an
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1) Linux is not, I repeat, NOT an operating system. It's a kernel, which is the core coding which an operating system is based around. The kernel acts as a medium between software and hardware.
2) Ubuntu, Android, Fedora, Arch, WebOS , and etcetera are not Linux. They are Linux based operating systems that are built upon the Linux kernel.
3) BSD, Free BSD, Mac OS X+, iOS, and Solaris are all UNIX based operating systems. Linux is a clone of the UNIX kernel.
4) The GUI is not part of Linux. X server is a back end for the X11 window service. And is not included in the core kernel itself.
5) I like tacos.
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Hello everyone,
Today I was trying to build CyanogenMod 11 for my Galaxy Nexus. But after any attempt I did I get the following problem:
Code:
target Strip: libwebviewchromium (/home/little/Documents/CyanogenMod_System_11/out/target/product/maguro/obj/lib/libwebviewchromium.so)
prebuilts/gcc/linux-x86/arm/arm-linux-androideabi-4.7/bin/arm-linux-androideabi-strip:/home/little/Documents/CyanogenMod_System_11/out/target/product/maguro/symbols/system/lib/libwebviewchromium.so: File format not recognized
make: *** [/home/little/Documents/CyanogenMod_System_11/out/target/product/maguro/obj/lib/libwebviewchromium.so] Error 1
make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
I am using Oracle Java 6. All the previous *.so files have no problem with compiling. Has anyone else dealt with this problem?
Even I get error on this many times. The reason behind same is it needs lot of memory for compilation compared to other binaries. I tried increasing ram on virtual machine but no success.
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neobuddy89 said:
Even I get error on this many times. The reason behind same is it needs lot of memory for compilation compared to other binaries. I tried increasing ram on virtual machine but no success.
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So, how much RAM do you suggest to have? If the problem is the RAM I could buy some. It is a cheap modification in order to build my first ROM!
If you are not using virtual machine and have directly installed on pc, try increasing SWAP and build. I have 4 GB RAM for virtual machine and it fails.
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If you are not using virtual machine and have directly installed on pc, try increasing SWAP and build. I have 4 GB RAM for virtual machine and it fails.
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One last question as a conclusion. Is it possible to exist another problem and the build fails? If there is even a small possibility I could wait and don't buy new RAM memories.
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Even I get error on this many times. The reason behind same is it needs lot of memory for compilation compared to other binaries. I tried increasing ram on virtual machine but no success.
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So, how much RAM do you suggest to have? If the problem is the RAM I could buy some. It is a cheap modification in order to build my first ROM!
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Did you ever determine how much ram you need? I'm getting this error too
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Did you ever determine how much ram you need? I'm getting this error too
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I abandoned this project due to my computer age! It would take forever to build a rom! I barely can run Android Studio at the moment.
But, this may be help you!
https://source.android.com/source/building.html
I am intending to build something like this in the near future and cross my fingers that everything will work just fine!
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I abandoned this project due to my computer age! It would take forever to build a rom! I barely can run Android Studio at the moment.
But, this may be help you!
https://source.android.com/source/building.html
I am intending to build something like this in the near future and cross my fingers that everything will work just fine!
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I know it is long ago since last post, but on official Google page are system requirements
The Android build is routinely tested in-house on recent versions of Ubuntu LTS (14.04), but most distributions should have the required build tools available.
Before you download and build the Android source, ensure your system meets the following requirements:
A Linux or Mac OS system. It is also possible to build Android in a virtual machine on unsupported systems such as Windows. If you are running Linux in a virtual machine, you need at least 16GB of RAM/swap and 100GB or more of disk space in order to build the Android tree. See disk size requirements below.
A 64-bit environment is required for Gingerbread (2.3.x) and newer versions, including the master branch. You can compile older versions on 32-bit systems.
At least 100GB of free disk space for a checkout, 150GB for a single build, and 200GB or more for multiple builds. If you employ ccache, you will need even more space.
Python 2.6 -- 2.7, which you can download from python.org.
GNU Make 3.81 -- 3.82, which you can download from gnu.org,
JDK 7 to build the master branch of Android in the Android Open Source Project (AOSP); JDK 6 to build Gingerbread through KitKat; JDK 5 for Cupcake through Froyo. See Initializing a Build Environment for installation instructions by operating system.
Git 1.7 or newer. You can find it at git-scm.com
can some1 just tell me if developpment has any scope using windows os
can i build cm form source without linux or ubuntu
I have not started on tutorials since most of them advice to use linux or ubuntu
so if there is a way to development on windows can u all tell me, how it is possible
or a tutorial ?
Just so u know my computer has 2gb ram and intel hd graphics
so i cant run emulators
Thnx in advance
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T3snake said:
can some1 just tell me if developpment has any scope using windows os
can i build cm form source without linux or ubuntu
I have not started on tutorials since most of them advice to use linux or ubuntu
so if there is a way to development on windows can u all tell me, how it is possible
or a tutorial ?
Just so u know my computer has 2gb ram and intel hd graphics
so i cant run emulators
Thnx in advance
@Hnk1 help
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As a beginner, I would suggest you start with windows/Linux mint. Linux/Ubuntu are for more advanced users and thus provide less friendly interface. There might be a dispute which OS is best. For Android, I would suggest LINUX.
Development requires large amount of disk space (up to 200-500gb); very fast PC (8 or more recommended) high end PC (icore 5 but icore7 recommended)
You might be able to start on windows for small projects with your PC but algorithms would take 6-12 hours rather than half an hour on a high end PC. I know many developers using minimal PC to work so it means more time for processes to finish.
For example
UBUNTU might be better because android is developed under linux with java base. So using Windows might need some adjustments while development. Also, Eclipse is preferred for all development for Android.(programme name)
As android is based on linux, using same base/framework is a key advantage. Ubuntu/Linux is that's why preferred so no more adjustments are made and thus its quicker to develop on Linux. This is because of same internal architecture used by Linux/ubuntu and Android.All Android applications use Linux as its base and java libraries for programming. Java and Linux both being open source can easily be synchronized. The simulation on Linux platform is also fast as compared to windows. You can even download some system files patches for Linux if there is any compatibility problem but it is not possible for windows.
Android/Java/Linux are all open sourced(libraries n API)and easier to debug.
Linux mint is more friendly than Ubuntu in comparision in my opinion.
Another advantage of Linux/ubuntu is booting time/quick interface as windows easily gets laggy after some time.
In the end it comes to user preference.It takes a variety of tools to make software, including drawing tools, so the OS is not that important but helpful to have both Linux and Win. You will need code editors and drawing tools.
Hnk1 said:
As a beginner, I would suggest you start with windows/Linux mint. Linux/Ubuntu are for more advanced users and thus provide less friendly interface. There might be a dispute which OS is best. For Android, I would suggest LINUX.
Development requires large amount of disk space (up to 200-500gb); very fast PC (8 or more recommended) high end PC (icore 5 but icore7 recommended)
You might be able to start on windows for small projects with your PC but algorithms would take 6-12 hours rather than half an hour on a high end PC. I know many developers using minimal PC to work so it means more time for processes to finish.
For example
UBUNTU might be better because android is developed under linux with java base. So using Windows might need some adjustments while development. Also, Eclipse is preferred for all development for Android.(programme name)
As android is based on linux, using same base/framework is a key advantage. Ubuntu/Linux is that's why preferred so no more adjustments are made and thus its quicker to develop on Linux. This is because of same internal architecture used by Linux/ubuntu and Android.All Android applications use Linux as its base and java libraries for programming. Java and Linux both being open source can easily be synchronized. The simulation on Linux platform is also fast as compared to windows. You can even download some system files patches for Linux if there is any compatibility problem but it is not possible for windows.
Android/Java/Linux are all open sourced(libraries n API)and easier to debug.
Linux mint is more friendly than Ubuntu in comparision in my opinion.
Another advantage of Linux/ubuntu is booting time/quick interface as windows easily gets laggy after some time.
In the end it comes to user preference.It takes a variety of tools to make software, including drawing tools, so the OS is not that important but helpful to have both Linux and Win. You will need code editors and drawing tools.
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Yea the emulator for testing didnt even bootup till now
ill just have to postpone advanced development until i get a newer pc
My last Question....
does android kitchen support this device?
or partially supported? or anything close?
T3snake said:
Yea the emulator for testing didnt even bootup till now
ill just have to postpone advanced development until i get a newer pc
My last Question....
does android kitchen support this device?
or partially supported? or anything close?
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T3snake said:
can some1 just tell me if developpment has any scope using windows os
can i build cm form source without linux or ubuntu
I have not started on tutorials since most of them advice to use linux or ubuntu
so if there is a way to development on windows can u all tell me, how it is possible
or a tutorial ?
Just so u know my computer has 2gb ram and intel hd graphics
so i cant run emulators
Thnx in advance
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I hav ubuntu on my laptop... nd I really want cm on our device but my main problem is that my internet is really slow and cm11 source is around 10 gb which might take weeks on my pc...
T3snake said:
can some1 just tell me if developpment has any scope using windows os
can i build cm form source without linux or ubuntu
I have not started on tutorials since most of them advice to use linux or ubuntu
so if there is a way to development on windows can u all tell me, how it is possible
or a tutorial ?
Just so u know my computer has 2gb ram and intel hd graphics
so i cant run emulators
Thnx in advance
@Hnk1 help
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for developing android apps.. windows works.. and a fair computer will do... unless you plan to develop something huge...
AVD's have problem with low specs on windows.... try emulating with GenyMotion
and unless you have a gpu.. the graphics won't really matter much..
and as far as building android/cm goes.. you need linux or mac os..
you could build on virtual box.. if you had whopping 16 gb of ram..
maybe cygwin works.. but i don;t know...
and it isn't hard to install ubuntu alongside windows.. all you need is a usb drive and a x64 live cd from their website.. and some patience..
ubuntu is just feels out of place for first time windows user... if you used Mac Os.. it' s easy.. the dock and the universal title bar are not hard to get.. after some time you will be more comfortable with ubuntu than windows.. or that was the case for me..
you need processing power of cpu for building... sure you can build on a p4.. but time is a great factor here.. i7 can compile faster than i5.. and it goes like that..
by the way.. i know a guy who built cm on a 4gb ram and intel core duo... took around 7 hours he said..
psych.half said:
i know a guy who built cm on a 4gb ram and intel core duo... took around 7 hours he said..
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I hav 6gb ram and i7 processor but my internet download speed is jst 60 kbps...
Vortex99 said:
I hav 6gb ram and i7 processor but my internet download speed is jst 60 kbps...
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buddy you don't need to download the whole 12gb of source code..
if you only plan to build for a specific device... you don't need the all platform codes for arm/ mips/ x86 or prebuilt binaries for mac os and x86 and x64..
you can select only required prebuilts and projects for your current device and current os by creating an xml file with some modifications in
.repo/local_manifests directory.. then you can reduce size of the source code...
and at 60kbps.. let's average that to 55 kb/ps... it would take around... 53 hours
but you can do continue syncing where you left off... kinda like pause and resume... so maybe in a week you will have the source code..
and just make source you sync the frameworks_base at last.. that one repository alone is over 1 gb.. O_O
psych.half said:
buddy you don't need to download the whole 12gb of source code..
if you only plan to build for a specific device... you don't need the all platform codes for arm/ mips/ x86 or prebuilt binaries for mac os and x86 and x64..
you can select only required prebuilts and projects for your current device and current os by creating an xml file with some modifications in
.repo/local_manifests directory.. then you can reduce size of the source code...
and at 60kbps.. let's average that to 55 kb/ps... it would take around... 53 hours
but you can do continue syncing where you left off... kinda like pause and resume... so maybe in a week you will have the source code..
and just make source you sync the frameworks_base at last.. that one repository alone is over 1 gb.. O_O
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So ur sayin I can pause during the repo sync command... ??
How can I do that... ??
Now I am really getting interested... but I hav exams right now and my laptop hard disk has failed... btw can you give me detailed explanation about building cm from source or atleast post a link to guide. .. I hav seen many guides but all of them are confusing...
Vortex99 said:
So ur sayin I can pause during the repo sync command... ??
How can I do that... ??
Now I am really getting interested... but I hav exams right now and my laptop hard disk has failed... btw can you give me detailed explanation about building cm from source or atleast post a link to guide. .. I hav seen many guides but all of them are confusing...
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well.. it's not pause.. it's like.. let's say you have already downloaded 16%.. and you stopped it that.. and turn off your pc..
next time you open pc and run repo sync.. it will check if sources have changed.. if not it will continue to sync from there..
it's just matter of copy and pasting commands to set up sources....it is not that hard..
hmmm... how about i set up the build environment for you on your laptop via ssh .. when your laptop is fixed.. pm me for your thoughts on this..
psych.half said:
well.. it's not pause.. it's like.. let's say you have already downloaded 16%.. and you stopped it that.. and turn off your pc..
next time you open pc and run repo sync.. it will check if sources have changed.. if not it will continue to sync from there..
it's just matter of copy and pasting commands to set up sources....it is not that hard..
hmmm... how about i set up the build environment for you on your laptop via ssh .. when your laptop is fixed.. pm me for your thoughts on this..
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yea sure m gonna let you know about it...