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I just sold my transformer prime infinity...and coming from that, im disappointed with the screen. How could a lower resolution screen on the prime look sharper than the one on the nexus?
Well I was just looking around here and I don't have a Nexus 10. I got a Galaxy Note 10.1 and from my experience the picture matters a lot.
I mean there are a lot of wallpaper sites with ultra HD and optimized wallpapers for retina display, but the same resolution is not always the same sharpness. some are crappy cropped or zoomed.
Use quickpic to set your background picture. The stock gallery app sometimes crops the pictures false.
And pictures with a resolution below the maximum resolution will always look a bit crappy. that means that when you are using a fullHD picture, which was nice for transformer prime, it can look less sharp on a display with higher resolution like nexus 10
I too come from Prime and there is no contest, this screen is sharper than Prime by miles.
How stuff looks will depend on what you are seeing.
If you have set regular wallpaper, it will look all blurry thanks to resolution. Even so called HD wallpapers will look blurry on this. You need to go search for wallpapers for MacBook Pro retina and use those on this tablet using quickpic. None of the apps from Android market have good wallpapers that are having native resolution of this tablet.
Text is sharp and crisp on this.
Most arcade games are not optimised for this screen and look terrible or blurry. That is not screen's fault.
Desktop web pages look nice full and crisp. So only real issue of lack of sharpness comes into picture when the content is not ready for screen. That includes apps, images and games.
I also come from Prime.
I wouldn't say the Prime screen looks sharper than the Nexus 10. Reading text on the N10, for example, the resolution is really amazing, very nice on the Nexus 10.
The colors and brightness and blacks is a different story. The Prime had those 3 much nicer than the Nexus 10. I loved playing Marble Blast on the Prime, the graphics looked amazingly vivid. On the Nexus 10 they appear as meh.
Its the prime infinity. Drastic difference. What a shame. Gonna put the nex up 4sale.
suzook said:
I just sold my transformer prime...and coming from that, im disappointed with the screen. How could a lower resolution screen on the prime look sharper than the one on the nexus?
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It's mainly because a lot of apps and mobile sites and such aren't made for the resolution. It's made for a smaller resolution, so to make up for that, the apps, mobile sites, and whatever else are all upscaled to fit the 2560x1600 resolution. While upscaling allows you to view things bigger, it will also make everything else a slightly blurry. There are upscaling algorithms to make it look better, but basically it's impossible to make upscaled images look as good as a native 2560x1600 image.
A 720p 10" screen (Note 10.1) will show a 720p video the cleanest because the video outputs a ratio of exactly 1:1 pixels.
A 1080p 10" screen (TF prime) will show a 720p video a bit blurrier because the video outputs a ratio of 2.25:1 pixels.
A 1440p 10" screen (N10) will show a 720p video the blurriest because the video outputs a ratio of 4:1 pixels. (I know the N10 has a 1600p screen, it's just to make calculations slightly easier)
Now when using a 1080p video, a 720p screen will show no improvement because the screen can't output those extra pixels.
When using a 1080p screen, the screen will look sharper than that 720p screen because you have more information. Consider watching TV of a 10x10 resolution vs 1920x1080 resolution. The 1920x1080p resolution will look far better
Once again, the 1440p will look slightly blurry.
Now when you use a 1440p video, you can probably guess which screen will output that video the cleanest.
So basically, this high resolution thing is good mainly for texts as of right now since nothing is really optimized for a screen beyond 1080p.
Anyone who thinks its possible for a much lower resolution screen to be sharper is a fool. This screen is absolutely dazzling. Though content displayed is obviously going to have an affect.
And just to shove some numbers in your face:
N10 - 300.24 PPI (2560x1600 @ 10.055") 4,096,000 pixels (78% MORE)
Prime Infinity - 226.42 PPI (1920x1200 @ 10") 2,304,000 pixels
That's a huge difference.
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It's mainly because a lot of apps and mobile sites and such aren't made for the resolution. It's made for a smaller resolution, so to make up for that, the apps, mobile sites, and whatever else are all upscaled to fit the 2560x1600 resolution. While upscaling allows you to view things bigger, it will also make everything else a slightly blurry. There are upscaling algorithms to make it look better, but basically it's impossible to make upscaled images look as good as a native 2560x1600 image.
A 720p 10" screen (Note 10.1) will show a 720p video the cleanest because the video outputs a ratio of exactly 1:1 pixels.
A 1080p 10" screen (TF prime) will show a 720p video a bit blurrier because the video outputs a ratio of 2.25:1 pixels.
A 1440p 10" screen (N10) will show a 720p video the blurriest because the video outputs a ratio of 4:1 pixels. (I know the N10 has a 1600p screen, it's just to make calculations slightly easier)
Now when using a 1080p video, a 720p screen will show no improvement because the screen can't output those extra pixels.
When using a 1080p screen, the screen will look sharper than that 720p screen because you have more information. Consider watching TV of a 10x10 resolution vs 1920x1080 resolution. The 1920x1080p resolution will look far better
Once again, the 1440p will look slightly blurry.
Now when you use a 1440p video, you can probably guess which screen will output that video the cleanest.
So basically, this high resolution thing is good mainly for texts as of right now since nothing is really optimized for a screen beyond 1080p.
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I actually have to disagree with you a little bit here. 720p video should look just as good on the Nexus 10 as it does on the Note 10.1. 1280x800 times 2 is 2560x1600. Because of that each pixel of a 720p video will take up exactly 4 pixels on the Nexus 10; however those 4 pixels on the N10 are the same area that would be a single pixel on the Note 10.1. This is a clean ratio. On the TF700 you got to 1920x1200 which is 1.5 times 1280x800. This is not a whole ratio and means that pixels of a 720p video will take up between 1 and 4 pixels on the TF700 display (determined by a fancy algorithm for scaling images).
The Nexus 10 playing 1080p video should have about the same blurriness as the TF700 playing 720p video.
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Anyone who thinks its possible for a much lower resolution screen to be sharper is a fool. This screen is absolutely dazzling. Though content displayed is obviously going to have an affect.
And just to shove some numbers in your face:
N10 - 300.24 PPI (2560x1600 @ 10.055") 4,096,000 pixels (78% MORE)
Prime Infinity - 226.42 PPI (1920x1200 @ 10") 2,304,000 pixels
That's a huge difference.
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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Lol as a former owner of both (returned Prime C1 for 700 a C6 then returned that, and I started the thread in Prime forums for users who Asus lost our first mailed GPS dongles)- your fooling yourself or you got a N10 with a bad screen
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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You can most likely blame that on googles new font rendering in 4.2. They turned down the font hinting a lot. It would be nice if it was configureable like in Linux. It the same way on the galaxy nexus and nexus 7 in 4.2.
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The problem with this screen is calibration and black levels.
Colors are extremely washed, red is a poor red, same with blue. This totally kills the screen. If you compare this with ipad screen, you will cry. Not because of viewing angles, not because of brightness, because of colours. Google was really smart when they decided not to calibrate their screens, same with nexus 4, while other OEMs take care of this thing deeply.
And black, despite numbers of the reviews, its quite poor, mostly because every single unit has light bleed (some with a hard mess, others this problem is smaller)
As a result, a top screen with such a poor implementation. This could be best screen in an tablet ever, and now it is a mediocre one, with many pixels, but nothing else. And it's a ****ing software issue, thats so sad.
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And it's a ****ing software issue, thats so sad.
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light bleed is not a software issue
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light bleed is not a software issue
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Yep, meant the calibration thing, it's about software. Black thing is because a bad manufacturing process, probably because of low price tag., or crappy manufacturers.
blackhand1001 said:
You can most likely blame that on googles new font rendering in 4.2. They turned down the font hinting a lot. It would be nice if it was configureable like in Linux. It the same way on the galaxy nexus and nexus 7 in 4.2.
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Wow...that blows. Maybe we need a 4.1 ROM??
I saw light bleed as soon as I turned my N10, but that's not the reason I just called to return it -- it was the uneven brightness. The top 1/2 inch of the screen is noticeably darker than the rest of it -- not visible when watching a movie or playing games, but very distracting when surfing and reading books, especially in portrait mode.
Since I haven't seen anyone else complain about this issue, I'm hopeful the replacement will be better.
Yep, I completely agree with one of the previous posters, this is definetly a black level issue. I put the iPad with a Retina Display right against a Nexus 10 both playing the same 1080i MKV. The iPad clearly won.
I still like the Nexus 10 a lot and I find it very comfortable to use because of how thin it is and how light it is, but to improve the product I think Google missed it some here. They could lowered the resolution considerably (1920 x 1080 is more than fine), improved on black level, and used the same processor. The lower resolution would have allowed that processor to scream since it wouldn't have been as taxed to interpolate so many pixels.
I don't know if it is a software issue or not, but if it is I really hope Google releases a fix. If there was a way to adjust Gamma or Contrast it might help considerably.
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Did you have a prime to compare it to? Sorry, but text IS crisper on the prime. I see it with my 20/20 eyes.
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There's no way on earth text (or other computer generated content like the UI and icons) will look better on a 147PPI display (Prime) vs. 224PPI (TF700) or 300PPI (N10). The reason is as 404 Error did a great job of explaining is that text is a 1:1 match pixel wise; the more pixels the sharper the image. Photos and videos display even the clearest content over multiple pixels so the advantage of a higher PPI becomes less pronounced. And the human eye (even yours) can't resolve sharpness over 229PPI beyond 15". So, your 20/20 eyes are decieving you. The N10 has less contrast and isn't as bright as older displays so that might be what you're reacting to.
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This could be best screen in an tablet ever, and now it is a mediocre one,
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well lets hope this guy will change that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ9H-TtObBY
tacitust said:
I saw light bleed as soon as I turned my N10, but that's not the reason I just called to return it -- it was the uneven brightness. The top 1/2 inch of the screen is noticeably darker than the rest of it -- not visible when watching a movie or playing games, but very distracting when surfing and reading books, especially in portrait mode.
Since I haven't seen anyone else complain about this issue, I'm hopeful the replacement will be better.
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Mine has this problem and so do at least a few others. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2007676
I'm still debating if it annoys me enough to justify an exchange.
The Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge has a crazy crisp display. Just kidding, this is automated text so who knows if this screen is any good. So, you be the judge! A higher rating indicates that it's extremely sharp and clear, and that you cannot see pixels with your naked eye.
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Even at QHD I can see the weird rainbow-sh look in the display. AMOLEDs with pentile pattern look worse than something like IPS at the same resolution.
Im not sure if it's because of the curves or the QHD but the screen looks AMAZING. Great contrast between whites and blacks and so crisp for web browsing.
Definitely one of the best screens available in smartphones. WOW effect is still present for me.
I think the edges ruin the screen for me. If the S7 had been larger I wouldn't have gotten the edge.
I say this as a previous Note 7 owner. The Note 7 edge wasn't so steep and didn't blur out text/pictures that go over the edge anywhere near as bad.
I will gladly buy an S8 edge outright if it holds the design of the Note 7's edge.
Believe that IPS screens have more definition.
Not a bad screen, but if I compare my iPhone 6s Plus between this S7 Edge, iPhone looks more clear.
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Believe that IPS screens have more definition.
Not a bad screen, but if I compare my iPhone 6s Plus between this S7 Edge, iPhone looks more clear.
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I personally don't think the clarity is any better, but the colors are far more realistic which may be what causes that thought. While the S7E is better than previous samsung phones I've had, their colors are insanely over saturated. That just is a samsung thing in general. Their TVs are the same way. Most of the stock adjustments are horrible and I could never own one without it needing calibrated.
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I personally don't think the clarity is any better, but the colors are far more realistic which may be what causes that thought. While the S7E is better than previous samsung phones I've had, their colors are insanely over saturated. That just is a samsung thing in general. Their TVs are the same way. Most of the stock adjustments are horrible and I could never own one without it needing calibrated.
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There are several options in settings > display > screen mode to adjust colors.
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I personally don't think the clarity is any better, but the colors are far more realistic which may be what causes that thought. While the S7E is better than previous samsung phones I've had, their colors are insanely over saturated. That just is a samsung thing in general. Their TVs are the same way. Most of the stock adjustments are horrible and I could never own one without it needing calibrated.
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I do know about saturation on AmoLed screens. I´m actually comparing both phones right now, and looking closely to them, I can swear iPhone has more like definition, despite of resolution on S7E.
You are right about TVs, their colors are too much strong for me, thats why I prefer LG, curved screens are insane.
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There are several options in settings > display > screen mode to adjust colors.
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Yeah, it doesn't come close regardless of those settings to the more realistic IPS display. I do blame Samsung, I think the displays are capable of realistic colors, but samsung is at fault for their love of over saturation.
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I do know about saturation on AmoLed screens. I´m actually comparing both phones right now, and looking closely to them, I can swear iPhone has more like definition, despite of resolution on S7E.
You are right about TVs, their colors are too much strong for me, thats why I prefer LG, curved screens are insane.
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Do you have the phone set to WQHD? I was comparing mine to my dads Iphone 6S Plus last night and couldn't tell a difference minus the heavy color saturation. I started using some B&W images to compare to try and remove the color problem. Tried to pick some pictures that were more on the W end than the B end to keep it relatively fair. Used some rather large pictures, larger than either display can show, which also plays a role in which compresses better. WQHD is 2560X1440 and the 6S Plus is 1920X1080. I did not compare two 1080P images and so the Iphone may win here. I can't say for sure.
Now if you were to ask me to compare my old Note 3/4 to the Iphone 6 Plus at the time, I would 100% agree with you.
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Yeah, it doesn't come close regardless of those settings to the more realistic IPS display. I do blame Samsung, I think the displays are capable of realistic colors, but samsung is at fault for their love of over saturation.
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This article seems to say otherwise. http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S7_ShootOut_1.htm
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Yeah, it doesn't come close regardless of those settings to the more realistic IPS display. I do blame Samsung, I think the displays are capable of realistic colors, but samsung is at fault for their love of over saturation.
Do you have the phone set to WQHD? I was comparing mine to my dads Iphone 6S Plus last night and couldn't tell a difference minus the heavy color saturation. I started using some B&W images to compare to try and remove the color problem. Tried to pick some pictures that were more on the W end than the B end to keep it relatively fair. Used some rather large pictures, larger than either display can show, which also plays a role in which compresses better. WQHD is 2560X1440 and the 6S Plus is 1920X1080. I did not compare two 1080P images and so the Iphone may win here. I can't say for sure.
Now if you were to ask me to compare my old Note 3/4 to the Iphone 6 Plus at the time, I would 100% agree with you.
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Yes, on WQHD, on 1080p doesn't have any chance to fight.
I am not sure what it is, just feeling more satisfied with 6s Plus. I have played with Settings on screen for S7E, but it's not close. It may be that I've used my 6s plus for a year and I'm new with the S7E, got used to ips.
Anyhow, I feel same as you with saturation. Samsung could do it better.
I used to own an Iphone 6s and the difference in screen quality is huge.I love my s7 edge!
I really like my S7e in every way but an Iphone 7 plus display looks better to me.
Doesn't really bother me though.
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This article seems to say otherwise. http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S7_ShootOut_1.htm
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says exactly what I am saying...
Screens fine, but over saturated to hell and back. Yes it has a color management to help, but it can't fix horribly handled saturation by Samsung.
"As expected the Galaxy S7 OLED spectra are relatively narrow with deep notches between the primaries, which results in highly saturated colors that are adjusted with display Color Management to improve image color accuracy"
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says exactly what I am saying...
Screens fine, but over saturated to hell and back. Yes it has a color management to help, but it can't fix horribly handled saturation by Samsung.
"As expected the Galaxy S7 OLED spectra are relatively narrow with deep notches between the primaries, which results in highly saturated colors that are adjusted with display Color Management to improve image color accuracy"
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According to the article from DisplayMate, the the average color error (from sRGB) of the S7 Edge is 1.5 JNCD and broke the previous record for color accuracy. I see no evidence that Samsung was unable to properly calibrate the S7 Edge display in Color Management, as it had the least average color error for smartphone displays at the time of review.
kinda disappointed with whiteness of the screen
my opx and oppo f1 s have much whiter screen.this one is yellowish. any tweaks suggested?
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According to the article from DisplayMate, the the average color error (from sRGB) of the S7 Edge is 1.5 JNCD and broke the previous record for color accuracy. I see no evidence that Samsung was unable to properly calibrate the S7 Edge display in Color Management, as it had the least average color error for smartphone displays at the time of review.
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I once bought a Pioneer Kuro 50" Plasma TV. It was, at the time, heralded as the most accurate set available. Display Mate and others did their tests etc and several AV mags used the TV as a reference. It cost me £2700.
I sold it at a £900 loss 6 months later.
Never got on with it and honestly never understood what all the buzz was about. Whilst blacks were deep whites looked ... not white. Worse, in scenes with a lot of white content the brightness dimmed further. The thing also buzzed in tune with brightness levels.
The test reports didn't or hardly did touch on these well known problems often discussed on owner forums.
Moral ... don't believe everything you read.
I also feel that for me a good LCD still has the upper hand in naturalness picture wise overall compared to Amoled which, in comparison, seems over saturated. (I use basic mode and an app called Screen balance)
Other than that, I think the S7E is a good device and I probably will use it another year.
My next phone will likely have an LCD display though unless Samsung change their Amoleds in some ways (or introduce more versatile screen adjustments)
Saturation levels may well also depend on the resolution
If every pixel is used you likely get more Saturation. In Nougat you can lower resolution to HD. I haven't updated yet as I want more S7e user feedback on A7 (I have exceptional battery life on MM and no issues).
I would be interested to hear if anyone noticed less Saturation with reduced resolution, ideally backed up by measurements.
I can't see the differents between FHD and 2k with my eyes
Hi, i'm interested in buying this phone to replace my current S7.
Coming from an Amoled display makes me curious about the IPS screen quality of the Mate 10.
Compared with other Flagship's IPS displays out there, Is it on par with let's say the iphone 7/8's screen or is it better/worse?
Would appreciate for your responses, thanks for the attention.
It's slightly worse display, I just switched from an iPhone 7+. Colors on the iPhone are more vibrant and can display more colors I think.
Seems like it's not DCI P3 compliant.
I switched from my Galaxy Note Edge and found the LCD display worse at first but I have gotten used to it. Make sure to turn on vivid mode (which doesn't seem to be on by default but makes so much difference - you can see how washed out the Mate 10 colors are in the shop side by side with the Mate 10 Pro which I find so stupid because as soon as I turn on vivid mode for them, they look more comparable), switch off the auto-brightness and set the resolution to QHD and turn off smart display resolution (Battery life will take a slight hit but it is so worth it). You will grow to like it that way especially when you see how crisp the display is when playing high resolution games. Viewing angles can't compare to the Samsung AMOLED screen though.
Worst, bad experience in sunny day. M9 have better display. I have M10Pro
I was just wondering what display settings does everyone use and how to get the best performance out of the display. If anyone can tell me all the things to turn on and off for getting there, it would be great.
Thanks
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I use the best settings possible, what's the point In having a good phone with the best display if you ain't gonna use it
Exactly. When you say best performance, what are you looking for? Higher synthetic benchmark scores to brag to your friends who also don't understand benchmarks, or the best looking display to actually USE the phone?
Do what makes sense for you. I keep mine on HD+ (720 pixels in the short direction) because my eyesight isn't great and I can't tell the difference. Samsung pushes the higher resolution because it looks good on paper (specsmanship), however I am doubtful that most people (even with good eyesight) can tell the difference between FHD (1080) and WQHD (1440) pm this size phone.
Other people don't matter, check for yourself. I would look at straight diagonal lines and text. If it looks jagged, then go to higher resolution. If not then try lower resolution.
There is a small battery gain from using lower resolution. You can see what Samsung thinks the battery gain is by going to the battery power saving screen and note the savings projected in the "apply" button at the bottom. Change the screen resolution and the projected savings in the apply button will change immediately. The change in projected savings between two modes presumably represents the difference in power consumption that Samsung estimates. For me it is rough ballpark 10 minute life saving from 1440 to 1080 and another 10 minute saving from 1080 to 720 (when checked with battery near full)
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I use the best settings possible, what's the point In having a good phone with the best display if you ain't gonna use it
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I agree with you. I believe that's what my original question was. What are the settings which will give me the best display performance?
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Exactly. When you say best performance, what are you looking for? Higher synthetic benchmark scores to brag to your friends who also don't understand benchmarks, or the best looking display to actually USE the phone?
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I was referring to display performance, which includes having the best visually appealing display settings. I do not care about any benchmark scores. I believe most people have stopped caring about that a while back.
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Do what makes sense for you. I keep mine on HD+ (720 pixels in the short direction) because my eyesight isn't great and I can't tell the difference. Samsung pushes the higher resolution because it looks good on paper (specsmanship), however I am doubtful that most people (even with good eyesight) can tell the difference between FHD (1080) and WQHD (1440) pm this size phone.
Other people don't matter, check for yourself. I would look at straight diagonal lines and text. If it looks jagged, then go to higher resolution. If not then try lower resolution.
There is a small battery gain from using lower resolution. You can see what Samsung thinks the battery gain is by going to the battery power saving screen and note the savings projected in the "apply" button at the bottom. Change the screen resolution and the projected savings in the apply button will change immediately. The change in projected savings between two modes presumably represents the difference in power consumption that Samsung estimates. For me it is rough ballpark 10 minute life saving from 1440 to 1080 and another 10 minute saving from 1080 to 720 (when checked with battery near full)
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Thanks. I do keep my resolution at WQHD at all times. I was wondering about all the other settings such as Settings -> Device Maintenance -> Performance Mode -> High Performance (I've heard this is needed to get the best display) and other things such as what screen mode looks the best and most saturated (Adaptive, AMOLED cinema, AMOLED photo, etc.) or if there are any other settings.
Guys what settings you keep in adaptive display?
The difference between HD and wqhd is easily noticeable, I have mine on mac settings and the screen is stunning
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I've had the phone for a couple of days now ant the battery life is stellar but the camera is such a disappointment. Compared with the S22 Ultra it lets in less light and the pictures are overall darker. Same goes for low light pictures, the S22 Ultra is consistently brighter in all scenarios. It reminds me of the difference between my iPhone 13Pro and my S22 Ultra last year the former always capturing more light. To be honest I was expecting the opposite to be true with all the reviewers clamoring about the S23 Ultra's better low life performance and camera overall. I'm really not impressed so far.
Anyone else still in possession of both phones? What's your experience been like? Any suggestions? Did I miss something in the setting? So many questions
Clear cam data, try a hard reboot and clear system cache. Try in safe mode.
Carefully go through -all- the cam settings and options.
Return it if you don't like it for a cash refund.
Are you using the 12 MP default option instead of 200 MP? The 12 MP is said to give the best results on colors and contrast when shooting in low light.
"Binning pixels like this increases their effective size, allowing them to gather more light and detail. So the ISOCELL HP2 can bin every four pixels to effectively make them 1.2μm in size and produce 50-megapixel images, or bin 16 for even larger 2.4μm pixels and 12.5-megapixel images."
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Clear cam data, try a hard reboot and clear system cache. Try in safe mode.
Carefully go through -all- the cam settings and options.
Return it if you don't like it for a cash refund.
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Done. No dice. The camera still lets in less light on the S23U. In the settings I noticed that Camera assistant is missing. Must be a One UI 5.1 thing. Do you also have the S22 and S23 Ultra? Is that the reason for your suggestions? Are you seeing different results?
I'm upgrading from S22U (SnapDragon) to S23U and the few comparison shots I've taken I found that the S23U does capture slightly more detail, but there's not much difference at all. Remember this is the initial firmware for the phone though so the camera performance should hopefully receive some updates over time.
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I'm upgrading from S22U (SnapDragon) to S23U and the few comparison shots I've taken I found that the S23U does capture slightly more detail, but there's not much difference at all. Remember this is the initial firmware for the phone though so the camera performance should hopefully receive some updates over time.
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For sure. I totally get that. The thing is all the reviewers said that the s23u captured more light and that has yet to materialize for me. They were using the same software. To your point, the software should get better but I feel as though this is a hardware thing. But I'm no expert.
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Are you using the 12 MP default option instead of 200 MP? The 12 MP is said to give the best results on colors and contrast when shooting in low light.
"Binning pixels like this increases their effective size, allowing them to gather more light and detail. So the ISOCELL HP2 can bin every four pixels to effectively make them 1.2μm in size and produce 50-megapixel images, or bin 16 for even larger 2.4μm pixels and 12.5-megapixel images."
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If by 12MP you mean 3:4 absolutely. Didn't change anything.
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If by 12MP you mean 3:4 absolutely. Didn't change anything.
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I don't have my phone yet but there is a setting somewhere that you can choose between 200 MP, 50 MP or 12 MP in settings.
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Done. No dice. The camera still lets in less light on the S23U. In the settings I noticed that Camera assistant is missing. Must be a One UI 5.1 thing. Do you also have the S22 and S23 Ultra? Is that the reason for your suggestions? Are you seeing different results?
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Try shooting raws, at least 3 f/stops more exposure and WB correction. Downside is the post processing effort/time required.
The issue may simply be the firmware instruction set. Samsung is notorious for dialing things in after the release. I'm still happily running N10+'s on Pie and Q. I demand a dual drive capable device. I'm not pleased at all by the newer Android versions from Gookill either.
The dead zone between pixels on such a small sensor with such a huge pixel count is concerning as is the individual pixel microlense quality. Even 20mp is pushing it. Canon full frame sensors are maxed out at about 26mp.
Regardless of the camera learning it's capabilities, limitations and shooting effectively within those boundaries is what grabs keepers.
I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.
Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have it.
Hello, please update camera software-color are
oversaturated and unreal ( for example Red color
at most), reduce processing and sharpening. My
Samsung Note 10plus has better results! Thanks
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Is it the camera or the display?
Check/compare images on a properly color calibrated monitor... yeah, it's a can of worms.
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I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.
Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have
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I'll try tomorrow
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I'll try tomorrow
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In low light hold the phone as still as possible.
Use a nearby fixed object to brace it or yourself on when possible.
Using the spen as a remote shutter release will help too.
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I'll try tomorrow! This app is so wonky for me. I'll try tomorrow and post the pics.
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In low light hold the phone as still as possible.
Use a nearby fixed object to brace it or yourself on when possible.
Using the spen as a remote shutter release will help too.
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I got a Benro Tripod with a Phone attachment mounted on top. Gonna try that when I get the Ultra Monday doing some dark photos and using the pen as remote shutter release. Will also do same with the S22U before sending it back to Samsung.
PhilMorin said:
I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.
Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have it.
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Okay I think this worked. I'll let you guess which is which.
Edit: @blackhawk was spot on. They were both from the S22u. I have such a hard time with the app. I re-uploaded the correct pics. Left S23u Right S22u.
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I got a Benro Tripod with a Phone attachment mounted on top. Gonna try that when I get the Ultra Monday doing some dark photos and using the pen as remote shutter release. Will also do same with the S22U before sending it back to Samsung.
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I loathe tripods. Learned to improvise and shoot in low light with my Canon Pro cam 15 years ago.
I'll use anything at any height or angle I can reach as a brace; with practice you can land one of a kind keepers no tripod can grab.
Smart phones are poor shooting platforms; light weight so there's little stabilizing inertia and lousy handholds. Poor shutter release and controls. However they lend themselves to bracing well enough. In a case you don't have to worry much about what you brace it on...
The traditional elbows in, wide staggered foot stance, hold your breath works too. Shooting technique counts...
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Okay I think this worked. I'll let you guess which is which.
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Poor example; different shooting heights skews the results. The AF lock on point is also different so the bottle's print is out of focus in the one shot. Light metering and colors look near identical in both.
blackhawk said:
I loathe tripods. Learned to improvise and shoot in low light with my Canon Pro cam 15 years ago.
I'll use anything at any height or angle I can reach as a brace; with practice you can land one of a kind keepers no tripod can grab.
Smart phones are poor shooting platforms; light weight so there's little stabilizing inertia and lousy handholds. Poor shutter release and controls. However they lend themselves to bracing well enough. In a case you don't have to worry much about what you brace it on...
The traditional elbows in, wide staggered foot stance, hold your breath works too. Shooting technique counts...
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That might work for Photos but not very well for videos especially when you are zooming in 20x. Here's is an example where I have S22U on a tripod and zoom in on a waterfall from across the canyon and pan up and down. No way you gonna do it that smoothly holding it in your hands even braced. So for videos I love the tripod. It's the very lightest one they make and perfect for cell phones or light cameras. Change YouTube resolution to 1080p for best viewing.