Hi. I live in Korea and um... I live in a country that is quite tight to use Google services.
In South Korea, some Google services are restricted due to North Korean provocations and security reasons.
Representative examples are Google Maps and Google Earth. Google Maps has been updated in 2014, and Google Earth is not being serviced in Korea.
I need to use Google Earth, but even if I install Earth with my US account, it automatically detects this and the Android OS automatically deletes it.
So, it turns out that the Android OS automatically detects the package name and automatically deletes it when it is used in Korea, but the Google Earth package name has not been changed. Anyone can help?
rockybear said:
Hi. I live in Korea and um... I live in a country that is quite tight to use Google services.
In South Korea, some Google services are restricted due to North Korean provocations and security reasons.
Representative examples are Google Maps and Google Earth. Google Maps has been updated in 2014, and Google Earth is not being serviced in Korea.
I need to use Google Earth, but even if I install Earth with my US account, it automatically detects this and the Android OS automatically deletes it.
So, it turns out that the Android OS automatically detects the package name and automatically deletes it when it is used in Korea, but the Google Earth package name has not been changed. Anyone can help?
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Your OS deletes them automatically?
I don't think you can change the package name that easily.
You could download the apk and reverse engineer it, then change the package name and rebuild your app.
But that isn't legal i guess...
Maybe you could try to find that app which automatically deletes your google earth app. Maybe you can trick this one somehow.
If you can use your webbrowser as well, you could also use the web version of google earth.
If it's restricted you could use a free non-logging vpn like e.g. protonvpn.
If your government, however, doesn't what you to access such things, they may take legal actions against you, since your internet service provider sees if you connect to a vpn (but not, what you access from within this vpn).
rockybear said:
I need to use Google Earth, but even if I install Earth with my US account, it automatically detects this and the Android OS automatically deletes it.
So, it turns out that the Android OS automatically detects the package name and automatically deletes it when it is used in Korea, but the Google Earth package name has not been changed.
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Android OS is an operating system, it therefore only processes instructions, but never does the latter by itself.
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Android OS is an operating system, it therefore only processes instructions, but never does the latter by itself.
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You are right. But I guess he wanted to say, that something (a script, app, etc) is automatically deleting it.
Then OP should should be clear: I am not a clairvoyant as you might be.
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Then OP should should be clear: I am not a clairvoyant as you might be.
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Well, people don't always know it better so they describe it in the best way they can.
And besides: I actually studied the art of clairvoyants – but since there's no way you could know that I assume you are one too
To stay on topic: It's a good idea to help people to understand things like that, which is why I appreciate your clarification about what the Android OS actually is!
OP knows that usage of Google Maps - with regards to South Korean maps - is refused in South Korea. Wondering why he instead doesn't make use of Naver Maps for his/her day-to-day navigations.
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OP knows that usage of Google Maps - with regards to South Korean maps - is refused in South Korea. Wondering why he instead doesn't make use of Naver Maps for his/her day-to-day navigations.
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I don't know. But his main concern is google earth, which is quite different compared to google maps.
I know that the 2 apps are completely different ones, serve different purpose.
OP surely also knows that usage of Google Earth is denied in South Korea.
OP should know that Google Earth is copyrighted by Google and not open source what freely can be modified - that's valid for its APK too.
Therefore, in my opinion, it is a violation of the XDA-forum rules to point out here how one might have to change Google Earth APK - means re-master it - that it is also executable in South Korea.
BTW: Google Earth's APK's AndroidManifest.xml comes as compressed. Google know what to do to avoid hacking.
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BTW: Google Earth's APK's AndroidManifest.xml comes as compressed. Google know what to do to avoid hacking.
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Isn't that always/often the case and should be easy revertable?
However, that would be another question and I must admit your right.
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I am not really comfortable with the idea of sharing data with Google, so I wonder how it could be possible to run Android without the Google apps.
Using CM7 as the base for my devices (SE X10 mini pro & ZTE Blade) is already a good starting point, by not installing the GAPPS package.
But then what?
How to get apps from the market without GAPPS?
Which (offline) navigation software instead of Google Maps?
Which calendar app instead of Google Calendar?
Any other Google service replacement?
Any suggestions are highly appreciated.
You could probably use amazon appstore instead of market. The real market requires google's framework. As far as the calender i'm not sure look around on the amazon market for one.
Personally i would just use gapps what could you possibly be doing where the info google collects could hurt you ? They don't collect personal data like sms or phone calls. So unless you download child porn its prob ok to use google's apps.
I am not thinking about anything illegal, but you can be identified by your (required) Google account, and once you enable data synchronization / localization service, or the background data submission required for using the Market, you are already deeply caught in the Google network.
I don't know about the Amazon Appstore. Does it feature the same apps as the Google Market? I guess not, and when I try to access it, it tells "The Amazon Appstore is only available to customers located in the United States.", so I don't think this is a suitable alternative anyway.
So the only real downside of not using GAPPS is access to the market. A possible workaround could be to use the Android emulator of the Android SDK to download apps, then package them up to APKs and copy them over to your mobile.
I am sure there are a lot of others which are not comfortable with Google as well, but do not want to surrender their Android phones.
If you just want the apps you can install them from your pc to your phone on the market website. If you don't have a Google account or want one at all maybe use 4shared to download them. You can also usually download them from the developers website.
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I am still testing the use of Android without GAPPS, but there are some issues I have no idea how to overcome:
There seems to be no suitable Calendar App that does not rely on the Google Calendar / synchronization with Google. My preferred app would have been aCalendar, which works kind of, but no appointment can be saved because it tells "You have no calendar". Any suggestions? How is the calendar issue solved on Android-without-GAPPS devices like the Kindle Fire?
Some apps simply can not be installed without the Google framework present. For example when trying to install the Adaffix and QR Droid apk's manually, it simply tells "Application not installed" without any error message pointing out the problem. Any idea about that?
These two issues are the main problems with having no GAPPS on the phone, and as much as I would have liked to run my Android phones without GAPPS, it seems there is no way around it, if one does not want to have it overly complicated.
I have been using android for a few weeks now with no google account. Installing a firewall and lbe privacy seems to work fine. Just dont allow any google services access to the net. Works fine for me
I don't understand why you would by a Google OS but not want google apps.
UPDATE: Android without GAPPS is a go now!
Android is NOT really a GoogleOS, it's a Linux distribution with proprietary Google apps added. You can successfully run Android without Google, which is what Amazon already proofed with the Kindle Fire on a large scale.
I am not talking about running Android without Google account, but Android without GAPPS installed, and I am happy to confirm, that it is indeed possible without too much hassle, since I overcame my initially major issues:
The calendar issue could be solved by installing Jorte, which uses its own database.
I simply omit apps which rely on the Google Framework, so I replaced QR Droid with Barcode Scanner, and just deleted Adaffix, for which there is no replacement (not that much of a loss, especially since I was not really sure about their privacy policy; would you willingly submit the phone numbers of all your callers to a private company?).
I am going to use MapQuest instead of Google Maps, a free app based on https://www.openstreetmap.org
I already installed all my apps, which I previously downloaded from the Market, on that Google-free phone, in addition to AdFree, to get rid of the advertisement in the typical free apps, as well as AmazonAppstore (just in case). Now for my kind of use I don't miss any Google services at all.
The next logical step is to install the Android SDK on a computer, run Android 2.3 including GAPPS for Market access in the Android emulator, and just download all the desired software and software-updates there, to be exported (using ASTRO) to the Google-free phone.
Some may argue that it may not be worth the hassle, but I am still in the opinion, that it's best not to share ANY data with Google ever.
BTW Don't use Google at all, not even for simple searches -> have a look at https://duckduckgo.com (they even have an Andoid app)!
Where to start?
Android is not a Linux distribution, it only uses a Linux kernel, these two mean vastly different things and should not be confused.
What exactly do you want to hide from Google?
Your email? It goes through dozens of servers without encryption. The only people not reading it are the ones who don't want to.
Your location? Your cell phone provider has it. And so does your government)
Your searches? Okay you're right on this one I use duckduckgo on my pc.
The point is that most of your data is tracked by hundreds of companies. They use your os and flash version, your cookies, user agent, screen resolution. You can run but you can't hide.
You're not on Facebook, are you?
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smokin1337 said:
You could probably use amazon appstore instead of market. The real market requires google's framework. As far as the calender i'm not sure look around on the amazon market for one.
Personally i would just use gapps what could you possibly be doing where the info google collects could hurt you ? They don't collect personal data like sms or phone calls. So unless you download child porn its prob ok to use google's apps.
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Never make the assumption that if you're not going anything illegal than you shouldn't worry about tracking. Never never never. Okay? If you do you don't deserve privacy. Read "little brother" by Cory Doctorow.
For the calendar and the contacts i use to synchronise every day my Desire S with an old version of Lotus Notes (7.xx) on my Job computer. I use MyphoneExplorer with a USB connexion. It works very well without microsoft exchange or any connexion with google agenda.
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From my point of view I consider everything based on the Linux kernel a Linux distribution. Android = Linux kernel plus a bunch of open source software, the proprietary Google code does not have to be considered to be part of the base system.
What I want to hide from Google? About everything. Isn't it the same with Facebook, where the user is not the customer, but the product?
Of course everybody leaves a large track in the net, but one can at least try to prevent data sharing as much as possible, and not using Google services and not providing them any additional info is part of it.
Of course that topic is mind splitting, but I know I am not alone on this, and as shown, it it indeed possible to successfully use an Android phone completely without Google, and I do not see any disadvantage in it.
Hope this helps:
http://www.androidauthority.com/how-to-download-any-apk-to-your-computer-62153/
(apk leecher)
There are many other reasons for wanting to avoid Google. For example, let's say you have your contacts synchronized. You're using gmail and calendar and you have a card linked to your Google Play account.
You go on holiday and you card gets cloned. The criminal uses your card to do something horrendous and you wind up in jail. Because you had all your eggs in one basket your account has been disabled and your defense has no access to your emails to plan your case and defend you in court. You're utterly screwed.
By using different companies and services you at least have more chance of keeping access to those services.
Google services are pretty monolithic. They're great, but there's advantage in using separate services if you can.
Here are some alternatives to the Google apps:
- Gmail = K9mail
- Play = app leacher, sdk virtual image method. fDroid
- Maps = MapQuest. Various SatNav apps. Waze
- GTalk = Skype or Fring (though both of those aren't greatly done). Various SIP/VoIP apps like cSipSimple
- contacts = t9dialer?
- Goggles = any barcode scanner will do for me
- any others?
I use f-droid.org .
It is strictly open-source. Has all the basic apps in there (Email, Firefox, tons of Timers, AlarmClocks, etc).
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You're not on Facebook, are you?
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Of course ! Why not ? Facebook leaves you the choice what to upload.
i agree with this thread, i dont mind sharing my information with companies, i do it all the time, but i dont like forced sharing with no opt out, this is essential stealing. eg ics and motoblur contacts
i guess you could say the opt out is to not install, which is what the thread is talking about
i think we are lucky to have android available without the gapps bloat such as with cyanogen mod
zzerozzero1 said:
I use f-droid.org .
It is strictly open-source. Has all the basic apps in there (Email, Firefox, tons of Timers, AlarmClocks, etc).
Of course ! Why not ? Facebook leaves you the choice what to upload.
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// Puts on tinfoil hat.
Sure kid. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
haydent said:
i agree with this thread, i dont mind sharing my information with companies, i do it all the time, but i dont like forced sharing with no opt out, this is essential stealing. eg ics and motoblur contacts
i guess you could say the opt out is to not install, which is what the thread is talking about
i think we are lucky to have android available without the gapps bloat such as with cyanogen mod
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here's my fix http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1808037
zzerozzero1 said:
I use f-droid.org .
It is strictly open-source. Has all the basic apps in there (Email, Firefox, tons of Timers, AlarmClocks, etc).
Of course ! Why not ? Facebook leaves you the choice what to upload.
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Actually facebook track you a lot. Use your browser to visit youtube and you'll see a share button for it just as many sites have now.
Facebook know a lot about where its members visit
Dave
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// Puts on tinfoil hat.
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LOL ...
You obviously don't agree. Which is fine.
But plz don't troll
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Actually facebook track you a lot. Use your browser to visit youtube and you'll see a share button for it just as many sites have now.
Facebook know a lot about where its members visit
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I have been using Ghostery and Adblock Plus for years. They should take care of that.
If your really worried about your privacy you should check out Orbot the Tor client for android (https://guardianproject.info/apps/orbot/)
I will revive this thread, because I also install CM10.1 and try to use withoug GAPPS.
My phone is already running much smoother than with stock rom (Galaxy S3 I9300).
No Samsung push service, Google push, Calender...
So I am already using f-droid and androidpit now. At the moment I am missing Skype and Facebook Messenger.
I know worrying about privacy + using facebook might sound strange. But most friends I can only contact by Facebook (or SMS, lol), so I have to use it.
David.
Hello!
I own an Xperia Play and I am a resident of a country where even the google play store is not available.
But since phones arrive here pre-installed with software from whereever they are built, so I had an android market by default which recently forced me to update it to Google Play which too is working just fine. So unless I uninstall this on purpose Google Inc. can't do anything to deprive me of Google play.
But the thing is that there was no Google Play Books or Movies in the previous Android market hence I can't do anything to un-deprive me of them.
My questions are
1. Can anybody explain to me why is Google Inc. keeping these apps away from the international market when they are officially launching their phones there? I mean it doesn't make any sense to me. The stupidity is (at least that's what I believe, correct me if I am wrong) that if I fly to London, locate a WiFi hotspot, download these stores, and fly back; there is nothing in the power of Google to do anything about it, so what is it; racism? Besides without an app store a smartphone is as dull as a Nokia. Sorry Nokia.
2. Where can I find a list enlisting the countries where these app stores are available? Hurry I need to book a flight.
3. How do I talk to Google about this matter. I mean we have a website for Google play or Android Market but it displays the apps not any information about the store itself. In fact there is not even a dedicated Android website. There isn't even a place to download the official APK in case you need it, not even for those living in Google's favorite countries. Which brings me to next question.
4. How were you guys informed of the availability of these stores. I understand that the new phones had them pre-installed. But what about those like me except living in U.S. for instance. Did you guys get a notification? Or did you wake up one morning and realized that Google Books had miraculously installed? How was the experience?
5. And most importantly, can someone of you guys, possibly an Xperia Play user (just to make sure I get the right APK if they are hardware dependent) post his/her Books and Movies APK here or anywhere else and inform me of the location. There are a lot of APKs available out there but I worry that they have been altered by programmers to suit there own needs.
Please do reply in detail and as soon as possible.
Thank you for your time.
I think it's to do with media licencing.
The same reason that different games are available at different prices in different countries via steam, or not available at all in some countries.
Here in Australia I only have access to apps, games and books via Google Play. No music or movies.
Ahahaha, racism
But seriously, it has to do with licensing. If a company wants to sell things, they're not going to play favorites by not selling in certain countries.
it has nothing to do with racism.
it's completely about licensing, and I think looking at it from a business point of view would prove why.
India, having such a big population, simply means more sale/ greater sales area for google, so they wouldn't be ignoring you by any means.
honestly it would be your government that has a problem with google and is stopping google on some level.
just my opinion though, I believe it would be fairly close.
Have you tried modaco's xperia forum?
Hope this helped out
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I think it's to do with media licencing.
The same reason that different games are available at different prices in different countries via steam, or not available at all in some countries.
Here in Australia I only have access to apps, games and books via Google Play. No music or movies.
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voryzen said:
it has nothing to do with racism.
it's completely about licensing, and I think looking at it from a business point of view would prove why.
India, having such a big population, simply means more sale/ greater sales area for google, so they wouldn't be ignoring you by any means.
honestly it would be your government that has a problem with google and is stopping google on some level.
just my opinion though, I believe it would be fairly close.
Have you tried modaco's xperia forum?
Hope this helped out
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Ah, trust the Aussies to come in here and tell it like a Sir. Good to see.
Licensing is exactly the issue. It's whether Google's services contravene your home Country's laws and regulations for media distribution.
As these services are built for the US, it's only natural they get them all. It most definitely has nothing to do with racism, believe me if Google were allowed to collect data on every human being on the planet - they would.
And as for the apk files you can usr market enabler and set it to usa to download the apps from the play store or you can google for them.These apps are not hardware dependant.
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nerot said:
And as for the apk files you can usr market enabler and set it to usa to download the apps from the play store or you can google for them.These apps are not hardware dependant.
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Hello!
Thanks for the reply.
I know it isn't racism, it was just a way to get people reading.
But if it is about licensing then I believe they don't take that issue seriously either.
I am from the Middle East (not India), and they do launch phones here officially, I mean it isn't that they are imported here by some third party, and yet initially these phones have Android Market or Google Play (now) available on them. It gets deleted only when your phones get an official service here from the official service centers.
So, should I be hopeless about getting Google Books or Movies here, anytime soon?
Here's what I think is the case. They (Google) probably think that they don't have many customers in this region or any region besides Europe or America or Australia. And I need to get a word to them. That's why I inquired about a contact place or some sort of Google's website. I mean it's amazing that Google rules the internet but hasn't got its own website.
If it had to be about licensing, then how come I am able to buy e-books, for instance, on websites like Kobo, Amazon etc. Same goes for music and movies.
All I have to do is Pay. Like i said before if I go to London, download the Google Books or Movies, and get back; i can easily enjoy it here. All I have to do is pay through credit card, and generally a credit card has no boundaries. I mean nobody rejects your credit card in Moscow because it was issued in Luxembourg, or do they?
And secondly, can somebody of you guys (of course living in UK or USA) upload your APK of Google Books and Google Movies somewhere on the internet and make me aware of it. I think you can locate it using Astro.
Thanks.
Watch the attitude please
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Watch the attitude please
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Ah ................ What?
What he is trying to say, is you didn't need to post it twice. We know your frustrated and are powerless to do anything about it ourselves.
Maybe you would be better off taking this up with google instead?
Hope this helps
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Jack Shepard said:
Hello!
Thanks for the reply.
I know it isn't racism, it was just a way to get people reading.
But if it is about licensing then I believe they don't take that issue seriously either.
I am from the Middle East (not India), and they do launch phones here officially, I mean it isn't that they are imported here by some third party, and yet initially these phones have Android Market or Google Play (now) available on them. It gets deleted only when your phones get an official service here from the official service centers.
So, should I be hopeless about getting Google Books or Movies here, anytime soon?
Here's what I think is the case. They (Google) probably think that they don't have many customers in this region or any region besides Europe or America or Australia. And I need to get a word to them. That's why I inquired about a contact place or some sort of Google's website. I mean it's amazing that Google rules the internet but hasn't got its own website.
If it had to be about licensing, then how come I am able to buy e-books, for instance, on websites like Kobo, Amazon etc. Same goes for music and movies.
All I have to do is Pay. Like i said before if I go to London, download the Google Books or Movies, and get back; i can easily enjoy it here. All I have to do is pay through credit card, and generally a credit card has no boundaries. I mean nobody rejects your credit card in Moscow because it was issued in Luxembourg, or do they?
And secondly, can somebody of you guys (of course living in UK or USA) upload your APK of Google Books and Google Movies somewhere on the internet and make me aware of it. I think you can locate it using Astro.
Thanks.
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Google books and Google movies are built into the Google play store. If your government refuses to do what Google requires to allow them to use it then there is nothing g you can do. There are a few countries that like to control what is seen by its citizens. Take China for instance, they have complete control and Google market is not installed by default. If the play store is removed when you get am official update then that tells you it is a government thing and you need to talk to them about it.
Hungary: No music, or movies, not even books. Only Apps. Great!
Executioner1337 said:
Hungary: No music, or movies, not even books. Only Apps. Great!
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Same here in Serbia
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According to Google play stores free apps are available to users in any country with just books movies and paid apps being restricted due to licensing agreements and in certain countries also due to the government.
You can of course work around some restrictions, if you look in the apps section here at xda there are modified or patched free apps to help you do so such as most recently a modified market app.
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Same in Romania - only apps in Play (at the beginning only free apps were allowed but now we can buy without restriction).
But isn't racism, as others already pointed out. Is about copyright, licensing agreements or government censorship.
And this isn't restricted to Google Play. As an example - i couldn't buy RAGE from Steam (because wasn't available in Romania) but i bought a retail version at the store and i was able to use the key even on Steam. So, in other words, is about who and what can sell in a certain region. So, you can buy a book from London and read it in Middle East, as you say, because you own it. But you can't buy it in your country because of some stupid law in your country or because some producer/seller/editor have no interest in your country (again, not because of racism, but because they consider that the income won't justify the investment - in Romania we still can't buy games from PSN or play on PSN, even if Sony sell Playstation in Romania since Adam banged Eve).
So i did a quick Google search, however, i didn't find anything answering my question.
So when we think about android we (at least the ones who knows their thing) we know it is related to google. However, so far i know that Android is open source, correct me if i'm wrong, but that means that anyone CAN "cook" their own rom of android. (As soon in the numerous threads in android development). So far so good.
A while back i recall reading Google forbidding Cyanogenmod of including their multi-window feature (the one that allows you to surf the web and watch a youtube video simultaneously as seen in Samsung devices(Note 1/2 probably S4 and S3(?)). Anyways, my guess is they came to terms where they can agree or did Samsung ignore what google had to say? So to make a long story short, what are google's rights when it comes to android?
Can google, for instance, if it doesn't like what a manufacturer is adding to their phone be it a feature or a skin say that they only want manufacturers to stick to the AOSP look and if they do add their own skin they will be taken to court? Can they do this?
Just curious to understand how things are running here. I wanna know the rights google has and if it could have went to court with samsung because of using the multi window feature.
I think that you are asking a good question, to which I have no answer, but would be interested in following this.
Personally, I would like to see an Android ROM devoid of Google.
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So i did a quick Google search, however, i didn't find anything answering my question.
So when we think about android we (at least the ones who knows their thing) we know it is related to google. However, so far i know that Android is open source, correct me if i'm wrong, but that means that anyone CAN "cook" their own rom of android. (As soon in the numerous threads in android development). So far so good.
A while back i recall reading Google forbidding Cyanogenmod of including their multi-window feature (the one that allows you to surf the web and watch a youtube video simultaneously as seen in Samsung devices(Note 1/2 probably S4 and S3(?)). Anyways, my guess is they came to terms where they can agree or did Samsung ignore what google had to say? So to make a long story short, what are google's rights when it comes to android?
Can google, for instance, if it doesn't like what a manufacturer is adding to their phone be it a feature or a skin say that they only want manufacturers to stick to the AOSP look and if they do add their own skin they will be taken to court? Can they do this?
Just curious to understand how things are running here. I wanna know the rights google has and if it could have went to court with samsung because of using the multi window feature.
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My understanding is while 'Android' or rather the AOSP is completely open source and free to use as you like, there are parts that Google have restrictive licensing over, or example the 'Gapp' (gmail, google+, play store etc). Manufacturers then also hold rights over the parts they add into Android (skins, other apps etc.).
Google has no control over manufacturers sticking Android on a device and that manufacture changing Android in anyway (hence the many many random Chinese devices), however Google can prevent a manufacturer from having a license to include the play store etc if they are unhappy with whats being done.
Google didn't forbid the CM team from including it, they said they would restrict access to the Play Store for devices running CM. The Play services is the only thing Google has power over, since that's their proprietary service. They cannot prevent someone from making a device that runs Android, since that's open source.
And I so believe Samsung's method is different, because apps require some changes before you can run then in multi windows, so you can't just run any app (officially, that is).
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Google didn't forbid the CM team from including it, they said they would restrict access to the Play Store for devices running CM. The Play services is the only thing Google has power over, since that's their proprietary service. They cannot prevent someone from making a device that runs Android, since that's open source.
And I so believe Samsung's method is different, because apps require some changes before you can run then in multi windows, so you can't just run any app (officially, that is).
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I see. Doesn't that in theory mean that Samsung could just take their sgs 3, remove all google services and smack their own play store onto it or am i missing something here?
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I see. Doesn't that in theory mean that Samsung could just take their sgs 3, remove all google services and smack their own play store onto it or am i missing something here?
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Oh they could. But then it would be blocked from other Google projects as well.
Wayne Tech S-III
I really want to use the ''play from cloud'' feature, so I don't fill up my whole sd card with music.
If I use US Proxy to log in, and download the software, am I good to go without messing around with proxy/vpn anymore?
(Music app is international, no need to set up vpn on phone I think)
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binaryfalcon said:
I really want to use the ''play from cloud'' feature, so I don't fill up my whole sd card with music.
If I use US Proxy to log in, and download the software, am I good to go without messing around with proxy/vpn anymore?
(Music app is international, no need to set up vpn on phone I think)
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What country are you trying to use Google Music from? If you use a U.S. based proxy to download the Google Music Manager software and set it up you should be good to go and shouldn't need the proxy after everything has been initially setup. I would recommend checking out this guide on how to setup Google Music outside the U.S. http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/19/how-to-use-google-music-from-anywhere-yes-outside-of-the-unit/. Also Google has expanded its list of Google Music supported countries to include Australia, Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain, and United Kingdom. Let me know if you still have questions.
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What country are you trying to use Google Music from? If you use a U.S. based proxy to download the Google Music Manager software and set it up you should be good to go and shouldn't need the proxy after everything has been initially setup. I would recommend checking out this guide on how to setup Google Music outside the U.S. http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/19/how-to-use-google-music-from-anywhere-yes-outside-of-the-unit/. Also Google has expanded its list of Google Music supported countries to include Australia, Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain, and United Kingdom. Let me know if you still have questions.
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Alright, two more questions:
Is this legal? What I mean by that is this against google tos?
Also, using vpn/proxy to log in, is it safe to log in with my google account? Should I change password afterwards?
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binaryfalcon said:
Alright, two more questions:
Is this legal? What I mean by that is this against google tos?
Also, using vpn/proxy to log in, is it safe to log in with my google account? Should I change password afterwards?
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As far as legality is concerned I must disclaim that I am not a lawyer. Doing this is not illegal but it may violate Google's Terms of Service (I have no read the full Terms of Service) but they are unlikely do anything about it as many people who want to use Google Music outside the countries that are officially supported use this method. Regarding your question about is it safe to login with your Google account, there is always some amount of risk when using a proxy but overall you should be ok when using this method and shouldn't need to change your password after. You can change your password after if it makes you feel more secure, I always respect when people have privacy concerns . Also sorry for not getting back to you sooner I was out with my family for the day.
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As far as legality is concerned I must disclaim that I am not a lawyer. Doing this is not illegal but it may violate Google's Terms of Service (I have no read the full Terms of Service) but they are unlikely do anything about it as many people who want to use Google Music outside the countries that are officially supported use this method. Regarding your question about is it safe to login with your Google account, there is always some amount of risk when using a proxy but overall you should be ok when using this method and shouldn't need to change your password after. You can change your password after if it makes you feel more secure, I always respect when people have privacy concerns . Also sorry for not getting back to you sooner I was out with my family for the day.
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That's alright. I'm really unsure if I want to do this, I don't think security will be a very big problem (using https) + changing password before and after. Although will I be able to use google music on my phone without vpn? Can I upload music without proxy after this? Only thing keeping me away is if its against google tos
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That's alright. I'm really unsure if I want to do this, I don't think security will be a very big problem (using https) + changing password before and after. Although will I be able to use google music on my phone without vpn? Can I upload music without proxy after this? Only thing keeping me away is if its against google tos
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Once you set this up then you don't have to worry about using the proxy anymore, and don't need to setup a proxy on your phone. Yes, you can upload music without the proxy after the proxy is just for initial setup. For the terms of service I just did a quick look and yes technically it does violate the Google terms of service for Play Services such as Google Music. The following quote is from the Google Play terms of service in the Music on Google Play section:
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Geographic Restrictions. The Music Locker Services and Music Products are currently available only in some countries. You agree that you will not present any false, inaccurate or misleading information in an effort to misrepresent yourself as a resident of a supported country, and you will not attempt to circumvent any restrictions on access to or availability of the Music Locker Services or Music Products.
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What country are you trying to access Google Play Music from?
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Once you set this up then you don't have to worry about using the proxy anymore, and don't need to setup a proxy on your phone. Yes, you can upload music without the proxy after the proxy is just for initial setup. For the terms of service I just did a quick look and yes technically it does violate the Google terms of service for Play Services such as Google Music. The following quote is from the Google Play terms of service in the Music on Google Play section:
What country are you trying to access Google Play Music from?
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Norway,
and thanks a lot for taking a look in the TOS. I'm just afraid that the service will never come here. I think I will stay out if it, with the security issues and violating the tos. But thank you, this was really helpful.
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Once you set this up then you don't have to worry about using the proxy anymore, and don't need to setup a proxy on your phone. Yes, you can upload music without the proxy after the proxy is just for initial setup. For the terms of service I just did a quick look and yes technically it does violate the Google terms of service for Play Services such as Google Music. The following quote is from the Google Play terms of service in the Music on Google Play section:
What country are you trying to access Google Play Music from?
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I was thinking.. If I were to take a trip to one of those countries Google Play Music is available, would I manage to ''unlock'' the service there? Also would it violate TOS then?
binaryfalcon said:
I was thinking.. If I were to take a trip to one of those countries Google Play Music is available, would I manage to ''unlock'' the service there? Also would it violate TOS then?
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If you singed into your Google account while connected to a internet network in one of those countries then yes it should unlock it and you should be able to use it. And that should not violate the Terms of Service as you would be in one the countries where the service is officially supported which is acceptable use :good:.
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If you singed into your Google account while connected to a internet network in one of those countries then yes it should unlock it and you should be able to use it. And that should not violate the Terms of Service as you would be in one the countries where the service is officially supported which is acceptable use :good:.
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time to order flight tickets XD
I try the same too.
My brother are in USA, and he install teamviewer in his laptop, I connect to this laptop trought teamviewer and browse "http://play.google.com/music", and receive the message "Google Play Music are avaialable in certain countries...."
But... I try with other gmail account and works... then... I dont understand why not works with my first gmail account :S
I live in the Philippines (Asia)
Google Play is limited to Apps & Books in my country (as you guys know unlike iTunes you cannot change your country w/ your Google Account)
So I have been using an old Google Apps account (admin'd by my friend) + strongVPN + Entropay credit card -- yesterday 6-Feb-2014 I suddenly lost access to Play Music even w/ VPN on. I contacted my friend and he did not do anything to our Google Apps account. So it seems Google switched us to Asia/Philippines (?). I cleared payment methods on this and logged out.
I connected to VPN (USA server) on my device, created a new google account, and I got access back but now, when I add an Entropay VCC it is not working. I get an error and the transaction is canceled - I have tried the MSFT zip code trick, the Entropay zip code trick and both are not working
So right now I am stumped. I can upload music & stream to iOS/Android via the Play Music App but cannot purchase content.
Can someone point me to a thread/blog for guiding me to completely de-google an android phone(except the OS itself of course)? Basically I have a Samsung S8+ \ that I don't use anymore and I would like to give to a relative in China. With my past experience, I had no problem by-passing the GFW for getting the phones up to date when I visit, but for an average user and long term use inside mainland China, an android phone with default google services installed makes it almost unusable since all the google services are blocked within China.
If can be done without root, that would be ideal(adb?). If it must rooted, then that's OK too. thank you for your input!
I don't know if it's still allowed to do that,
but considered disabling the google service. Google, Youtube, Google +, Hangouts, Photos, Drive, etc...