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SuperSU doesn't seem to be working the way it always has on my other devices in the past. After successfully flashing TWRP 2.8.7.0 [6.0] EN (by Sminki *xda* repack) on my Honor 7 with multi-tool and then installing SuperSU via TWRP and gaining root access, I rebooted my phone and immediately Google Play wanted me to update the SuperSU app. I updated the SuperSU app and also installed SuperSU Pro that I had purchased previously on another device. I then installed terminal emulator so I could confirm that I had root access by running the su command. However after running the terminal emulator and attempting to use the su command nothing happened. I didn't get an error that I would expect if root wasn't present such as su not found, it just seems to sit there waiting. It then occurred to me that I hadn't received the usual popup from SuperSU asking me whether I wanted to grant root permission.
From what I have been able to work out I do have root access but for whatever reason SuperSU is not displaying its message asking me to grant or deny access. I have managed to establish that I do have root by going into the SuperSU settings and setting the default access as grant rather than prompt after which terminal emulator is able to use the su command.
Does anyone know how I can get the prompt to work? I would rather have SuperSU prompt me when an app requests root access for security reasons since giving any app that requests root unfettered access probably isn't the best idea.
If your problem has anything to do with SSU Pro then I dont say nothing cause dont use it.
Anyway going the same procedure as you I had, after GPlay update, the problem when trying to open SSU with message "SSU binary cant be found" or sth like this. However my SSU has been working (at least it did look alike) giving prompts.
The solution was SSU cleanup, copying and installing SSU once again. If you check some threads here you will find some kinds of initial problems with SSU are quite common.
It looks like it is H7 speciality ;p. You need to flash B330 twice for 100% and you need to install SSU twice ;p
ps. Also "Draw over other apps" on but it was automatic - at least for me
adxuser said:
If your problem has anything to do with SSU Pro then I dont say nothing cause dont use it.
Anyway going the same procedure as you I had, after GPlay update, the problem when trying to open SSU with message "SSU binary cant be found" or sth like this. However my SSU has been working (at least it did look alike) giving prompts.
The solution was SSU cleanup, copying and installing SSU once again. If you check some threads here you will find some kinds of initial problems with SSU are quite common.
It looks like it is H7 speciality ;p. You need to flash B330 twice for 100% and you need to install SSU twice ;p
ps. Also "Draw over other apps" on but it was automatic - at least for me
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Thanks. Seems to be working now. Also disabling doze altogether on marshmallow seems to have solved a lot of other issues I was having since the marshmallow update and subsequent custom recovery and root install.
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disabling doze altogether on marshmallow
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By "Doze" you mean those switches to kill apps after screen lock or not?
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By "Doze" you mean those switches to kill apps after screen lock or not?
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No I mean Marshmallows built in doze feature. I have the switches you're talking about set to let the app keep running for important apps like SuperSU anyway but they only affect EMUIs own power manager. Doze and EMUIs power manager seem to fight each other anyway and I don't like how doze stops my notifications coming through with some apps and interferes with other apps that I like to leave running all the time like AcDisplay.
I completely disabled doze altogether using "dumpsys deviceidle disable" in terminal emulator or using adb shell. The only problem is that it will be re-enabled after a reboot so I used the universal init.d app to run an init.d script on every boot to disable it again since the honor 7 kernel doesn't natively support init.d. I have all the apps that I had on lollipop (plus some more that I didn't have on lollipop, since I didn't have root when I used lollipop) set up exactly the way they were then and let EMUI handle the power management. I get about the same battery life that I had in lollipop which is fine for me since I charge it fully every night anyway.
I am just in process of developing opinion on that. For sure made one mistake prefering Google Clock over Huawei (and uninstalling the latter) but now even with adequate settings (for example it should have auto-start set by PM Plus add-on for Phone Manager) I am not so sure of my alarms ; ) I have been accustomed to Vanilla Android till now.
Ok. I had to do my lecture on MM Doze & App Standby functions. Also I am newbie on EMUI.
It looks like that many important things (background GPS runnings apps, notifications, alarms) can be double complicated on MM Huawei :/ (not to mention other EMUI problems e.g. with lock screen)
We have clean MM Android with its problems even for Nexus owners, then we have EMUI with its own background / notifications problems.
So 'Ignore optimisations' switch is by Google. You do not use it but maybe know which Google / Huawei apps should have optimizations off? (I have there Android System WebView - why? Google product should have it invisible, Fused Locations - the same, HiSuite ?, HwAps ?)
Anyway people report that it does not help for GPS tracking apps shutdown problems, but it is rather related to EMUI I think.
PS. 1. I do not think Huawei / Google power managers fight in any way. Huawei power manager stricly speaking these are drivers for hardware needed + basic user power handling setup.
What they did on higher level is this "keeps running after screen off" switch but I would not be so sure if this, set one or the other way (and Huawei soft in general), works properly with GCM messages and other wakeups. One should keep in mind that Huawei sells a lot without Google apps at all.
PS.1.b. Some apps need some changes to work properly with Doze. They are not allowed now to do what they like and when they like. And if they have to say sth they must use GCM message , if they have sth important to say they must use GCM high priority message. Android 5.1 API level 22 alarms do not fire now, there are 2 new methods from what I read. And Google could block spamming "high priority messages". So idea & direction is good I think. For not MM updated apps put them in Ignored.
PS2. In my opinion also you should not confuse B330 power handling issues with Doze.
It could be just Huawei optimizing things: taking away fast charging switch because it is on default now, making changes to power handling etc. or not making changes needed so now it could be the problem with Android. People claiming worse battery life for B330 claim mostly best on B320.
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For sure made one mistake prefering Google Clock over Huawei (and uninstalling the latter) but now even with adequate settings (for example it should have auto-start set by PM Plus add-on for Phone Manager) I am not so sure of my alarms ; ) I have been accustomed to Vanilla Android till now.
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What's wrong with the Google clock? And what problems did you have after uninstalling the Huawei clock? I use the Google clock as my main clock app and have had no issues with it on either lollipop or marshmallow even after uninstalling the Huawei clock.
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Ok. I had to do my lecture on MM Doze & App Standby functions. Also I am newbie on EMUI.
It looks like that many important things (background GPS runnings apps, notifications, alarms) can be double complicated on MM Huawei :/ (not to mention other EMUI problems e.g. with lock screen)
We have clean MM Android with its problems even for Nexus owners, then we have EMUI with its own background / notifications problems.
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Agreed. While EMUI does have some of its own features that can be useful a lot of things are twice as complicated as they need to be. I have generally found that just allowing all apps that have notifications you want to receive e.g. twitter set to be allowed to autostart and run in the background as much as they like seems to reduce issues with notifications (still not worked out if it completely stopped any issues), and even then if I want notifications to display correctly on the lockscreen, not only do I need to allow them for each particular app on the lockscreen through the notification manager I still have to use a lockscreen replacement which in my case is AcDisplay. To be honest I have every app set to run on autostart and in the background and I still haven't found that it has much impact on battery life and this seems to solves a lot of these kinds of issues for me. My previous phone (Samsung Galaxy A3) used touchwiz and never had any of these options so I've always assumed that touchwiz/android allowed apps to run when they wanted and access what they wanted within the scope of their permissions and everything always worked fine, admittedly battery life was an issue on that phone but it had a much smaller battery capacity than the Honor 7 and it still lasted me most of a day.
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So 'Ignore optimisations' switch is by Google. You do not use it but maybe know which Google / Huawei apps should have optimizations off? (I have there Android System WebView - why? Google product should have it invisible, Fused Locations - the same, HiSuite ?, HwAps ?)
Anyway people report that it does not help for GPS tracking apps shutdown problems, but it is rather related to EMUI I think.
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I tried messing with the Ignore optimisations switch when I first upgraded to Marshmallow and it didn't seem to make any difference apps were still being afflicted with issues. I asked honor uk exactly what it did and whether it was for doze or not and they didn't know. I'm sure if I spoke Chinese and asked the Chinese customer service they would be able to tell me straight away but I never managed to find out. Even with doze disabled completely on my device I still have it set to ignore optimisations for all apps in case its something to do with EMUI.
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PS. 1. I do not think Huawei / Google power managers fight in any way. Huawei power manager stricly speaking these are drivers for hardware needed + basic user power handling setup.
What they did on higher level is this "keeps running after screen off" switch but I would not be so sure if this, set one or the other way (and Huawei soft in general), works properly with GCM messages and other wakeups. One should keep in mind that Huawei sells a lot without Google apps at all.
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What I meant by fight is that the 2 have their own settings rather than these being integrated with each other. So for example when specify that I want an app to be able to run in the background while the screen is off in an ideal world this would also tell Google's doze that I do not want it to doze that app. otherwise I have to effectively set the same thing twice even though it may be called different things.
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PS.1.b. Some apps need some changes to work properly with Doze. They are not allowed now to do what they like and when they like. And if they have to say sth they must use GCM message , if they have sth important to say they must use GCM high priority message. Android 5.1 API level 22 alarms do not fire now, there are 2 new methods from what I read. And Google could block spamming "high priority messages". So idea & direction is good I think. For not MM updated apps put them in Ignored.
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I like the idea of doze in general and I'm generally a fan of most things that google do with android. If i was running a nexus or an AOSP rom I would definitely leave doze activated and only disable its optimization for apps that either coded with doze in mind or apps which I personally consider to be high priority regardless of whether google agrees such as twitter. I lie to get twitter notification that I have enabled as soon as the tweet they link to is tweeted not at the intervals that doze allows apps to update at. But that's a personal thing rather than an issue with the idea. So for YouTube notifications for example I would be quite happy for doze to run the show.
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PS2. In my opinion also you should not confuse B330 power handling issues with Doze.
It could be just Huawei optimizing things: taking away fast charging switch because it is on default now, making changes to power handling etc. or not making changes needed so now it could be the problem with Android. People claiming worse battery life for B330 claim mostly best on B320.
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My intention has never been to confuse EMUI's power handling with Doze. I have just been trying to simplify the issue for me. as I have already said I generally allow any apps to do what they want both in EMUI's settings and by disabling doze as its simpler that way for me. Battery has never been an issue for me with either lollipop (B180) or marshmallow (B330) for me personally but i'm sure for some people it can be.
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What's wrong with the Google clock? And what problems did you have after uninstalling the Huawei clock? I use the Google clock as my main clock app and have had no issues with it on either lollipop or marshmallow even after uninstalling the Huawei clock.
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nothing wrong, in fact I've chosen it deliberately.
Basically prefer Google apps cause they can be updated and whats more new features are added from time to time, with let's say B330 stock you are left with B330 stock unless and if Huawei pushes sth new.
Just for some producers ROM's there are sometimes apps good enough and also interconnected on some levels with launcher / lock screen / power management that it is better to leave them & even make use of them.
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Even with doze disabled completely on my device I still have it set to ignore optimisations for all apps in case its something to do with EMUI.
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Rather strange for me what you're doing.
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What I meant by fight is that the 2 have their own settings rather than these being integrated with each other. So for example when specify that I want an app to be able to run in the background while the screen is off in an ideal world this would also tell Google's doze that I do not want it to doze that app. otherwise I have to effectively set the same thing twice even though it may be called different things.
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It cant be integrated, it is Google licensed system. Doze & App standby these are powerfull, long-term features.
This EMUI function is just easy switch to kill sth after screen off. Not sure of it
Also not sure of this auto-start PM Plus utility It is not only auto-start on system start but also start on events. Powerfull mess with many apps without granular controls.
However I use both ;p
edit. ok, it looks you're right about Doze. I.e. Huawei Doze problem. Here for Mate 8:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64827731&postcount=15
Not solved as I see (but no time to read everything)
So Paul @paulobrien solution is with his ROM, your solution is to shut down Doze, I would prefer Doze properly working on (rooted) stock solution
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The solution was SSU cleanup, copying and installing SSU once again. If you check some threads here you will find some kinds of initial problems with SSU are quite common.
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I have the same problem on my tablet Huawei MediaPad T1 8.0 Pro.
Please explain exactly what supposed to mean is "SSU cleanup, copying and installing SSU once again".
If one makes SSU cleanup then root access will flee for good and installing SSU again encounter the stark barrier, right?
If of course by "cleanup" you mean SuperSU's SETTINGS -> CLEANUP -> Reinstall (?)
@ioy
Do you have EMUI 4.0 on your tablet?
Some tips & tricks work between some Huawei models but for sure not each on everyone...
Anyway I made (in SSU) cleanup for full unroot (if I remember correctly :/) and by "copying & installing" I mean H7 procedure to copy and install via TWRP.
So full unroot and full root once again and in my case it solved my problem.
@adxuser, and what is EMUI 4.0 and how to check if it is on the tablet?
Where to learn about these tip & tricks?
I do not have TWRP because I wanted to have warranty still intact so not unlocked bootloader, and that's why I have unrooted with KingRooot and afterwards switched to SuperSU with SuperSume.
Please, respond...
How to use cleanup options in SuperSu, there're several ones intended for switching to another su application - all of them work the way they need TWRP or maybe it is possible to switchin the system (booted)?
@ioy
what is EMUI 4.0 and how to check if it is on the tablet?
Where to learn about these tip & tricks?
I do not have TWRP because I wanted to have warranty still intact so not unlocked bootloader, and that's why I have unrooted with KingRooot and afterwards switched to SuperSU with SuperSume.
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Emotion^^ User Interfece - Huawei visual & control overlay over Android.
For your http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_mediapad_t1_8_0-6705.php 4.3 not upgradeble Android it is probably 2.0? (settings > about).
Tips & tricks those are some common to EMUI solutions - working on many Huawei models. They are nowhere together to be found, you have to search in all Huawei models if you are looking for sth. special. Anyway as you probably understand from JellyBean EMUI no.x to MM EMUI no.4.0 (or 4.1) that is a long way (some common things could even work however).
And also I am not a root specialist but if you have a locked bootloader SSU will never work so make a full cleanup and do not try again
Maybe this KingRoot will work but search for info on that.
ps. in most "normal" countries unlocked bootloader hasn't got anything to warranty.
Yes, KingRoot worked normally, prompt popup windows worked neatly.
However, Huawei itself warns if you unlock the bootloader then they will not help you anymore in case of trouble. And as you maybe know already, Huawei official assistance is needed in doing unlocking bootloader, it is done through their site and first this terrible warning is displayed... (presumably they register phone's IMEI, serial number and these data is then spread to warranty service outposts worldwide)
Yes, they can track and they probably track a lot more easily
Regarding warranty it may and it vary from continent/country to continent/country but local (e.g. european) regulations take effect on that matter.
So Huawei China can even track what I did with the phone yesterday at 6pm but when I am able to relock the phone (even with status relocked) and it could be seen that it is malfunctioning because of hardware failure then I am talking to Huawei in Europe and I am totally not interested what Huawei China has to say.
So sometimes there are some commom myths and you should check (in a proper way ) what are the possibilities.
And you have cited wrong model, this one is Huawei MediaPad T1 PRO LTE:
http://www.gsmchoice.com/en/catalogue/huawei/mediapadt18.0lte/Huawei-MediaPad-T1-8.0-LTE.html
It has 4.4.4 Android version, and Emotion UI version 2.3, so what are these tips & tricks for this?
Please try to provide any clue, about those tips& tricks in respect of popup windows, as as I can see usual popups for any application are not present in this Huawei model... Apparently something must block them in a regular manner...
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And you have cited wrong model, this one is Huawei MediaPad T1 PRO LTE:
http://www.gsmchoice.com/en/catalogue/huawei/mediapadt18.0lte/Huawei-MediaPad-T1-8.0-LTE.html
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Quite possibly. Just a quick look.
As you probably understand we are on H7 subforum and I am not interested in other devices with its variants.
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It has 4.4.4 Android version, and Emotion UI version 2.3, so what are these tips & tricks for this?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66946525&postcount=12
Allright, how is it possible to switch off / disable this EMUI? What to freeze without bricking the phone? Presumably indeed this blocks popup windows itself and at all it seems providing no gain, plain Android is better and there are many apps on PlayStore with genius functions and full user's control, so please which system or internal memory apks are responsible for this EMUI and one normally can freeze them thus freeing the 'core' Android system from this dubious attraction?
I included a screenshot of all the options I'm given on the Greenify Settings tab. I've always avoided using Greenify because it seems very difficult to use; however, I keep hearing about all the miracles it does as far as battery life so I want to give it a chance.
My confusion comes from the fact that out of all the Tutorials, Reviews, Articles, etc. I've seen and read on YouTube & Google, everyone either has an older version of Greenify than me, or the options are a little different. Some versions have more options than mine, and some fewer. Some have specific settings enabled, some disabled.
For example, some tutorials said to enable Aggressive Doze and Automatic Hibernation, some said to disable them.
I would appreciate it very much if someone with more knowledge on the subject could explain to me what some of these settings do, and which would be better.
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I included a screenshot of all the options I'm given on the Greenify Settings tab. I've always avoided using Greenify because it seems very difficult to use; however, I keep hearing about all the miracles it does as far as battery life so I want to give it a chance.
My confusion comes from the fact that out of all the Tutorials, Reviews, Articles, etc. I've seen and read on YouTube & Google, everyone either has an older version of Greenify than me, or the options are a little different. Some versions have more options than mine, and some fewer. Some have specific settings enabled, some disabled.
For example, some tutorials said to enable Aggressive Doze and Automatic Hibernation, some said to disable them.
I would appreciate it very much if someone with more knowledge on the subject could explain to me what some of these settings do, and which would be better.
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Which version of Android are you running? If 7,8 or 9, most likely you will not need Greenify since Android itself handles the apps very well. Only apps which could not be controlled by Android and which drain battery excessively need control through Greenify or some similar app. Doze in these versions of Android is very capable.
If you want to know something more about this, search for posts from member Davey126 in https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/greenify/beta-greenify-3-1-build-1-1-23-2017-t3544311 thread.
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Which version of Android are you running? If 7,8 or 9, most likely you will not need Greenify since Android itself handles the apps very well. Only apps which could not be controlled by Android and which drain battery excessively need control through Greenify or some similar app. Doze in these versions of Android is very capable.
If you want to know something more about this, search for posts from member Davey126 in https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/greenify/beta-greenify-3-1-build-1-1-23-2017-t3544311 thread.
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@tnsmani obviously received my check ...
Kidding aside, his guidance is spot on. If you decide to experiment further ignore all the options. They are largely refinements; defaults are fine for most. Simply respond to initial setup prompts (including the all important 'root' query), add 'offending' apps to the watch list and observe whether Greenify helps to reduce background activity.
Wait...you don't have any "offending" apps, do not know how to identify bad actors have no idea if you actually have a problem with excessive (operative word) battery consumption?? If so Greenify will only work as well as your perception of good/evil/impotent which is often an inaccurate measure of reality.
Sadly, Greenify does not have magical powers. That said, It is an effective tool to address a specific type of 'problem': reining in undisciplined app driven background activity...plus a few other gems outside the scope of this discussion. If your device is rocking Android 6/7/8/9/27 native doze does a fine job managing cranky apps that want to eat your battery any small children within a 10 foot radius. Best part: no confusing knobs and dials! It just works.
Enjoy your device.
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Which version of Android are you running? If 7,8 or 9, most likely you will not need Greenify since Android itself handles the apps very well. Only apps which could not be controlled by Android and which drain battery excessively need control through Greenify or some similar app. Doze in these versions of Android is very capable.
If you want to know something more about this, search for posts from member Davey126 in https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/greenify/beta-greenify-3-1-build-1-1-23-2017-t3544311 thread.
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I'll definitely give that post by Davey126 a read, thanks.
I'm using a Galaxy Note 4 with Android Marshmallow 6.0.1. The phone is not officially supported anymore obviously, but with ROOT, it's still a great phone even today.
My only issue that made me consider Greenify; I don't know if this is typical of Android, is that I charge my phone to 100% before I go to sleep, and when I wake up it's at 86%. The battery is brand new and the phone has been restored to factory settings to start fresh.
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@tnsmani obviously received my check ...
Kidding aside, his guidance is spot on. If you decide to experiment further ignore all the options. They are largely refinements; defaults are fine for most. Simply respond to initial setup prompts (including the all important 'root' query), add 'offending' apps to the watch list and observe whether Greenify helps to reduce background activity.
Wait...you don't have any "offending" apps, do not know how to identify bad actors have no idea if you actually have a problem with excessive (operative word) battery consumption?? If so Greenify will only work as well as your perception of good/evil/impotent which is often an inaccurate measure of reality.
Sadly, Greenify does not have magical powers. That said, It is an effective tool to address a specific type of 'problem': reining in undisciplined app driven background activity...plus a few other gems outside the scope of this discussion. If your device is rocking Android 6/7/8/9/27 native doze does a fine job managing cranky apps that want to eat your battery any small children within a 10 foot radius. Best part: no confusing knobs and dials! It just works.
Enjoy your device.
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The screenshot I posted are the default settings as of now for my version of 4.3.2.0 of Greenify on my Galaxy Note 4. Would it be okay to assume that if I leave "these" settings on default without changing anything, and all I do is start choosing application to hibernate that I don't use often or don't need push notifications from, it's a good start?
I do have to choose applications manually for Greenify to start working right? I keep looking at all these "Smart Hibernation" & "Automatic Hibernation" settings and my brain goes back to regular applications like the old App Managers that would start working in the background without me settings anything up or choosing applications.
I'll give your post a read as well, and see if I can learn something from it. For once, I wish I had an Android phone with good battery life like my last iPhone; it wouldn't loose any charge overnight. Loosing 14% battery life overnight without doing anything is a little annoying, but now that I've tried Android with ROOT, it's practically imposible to go back to IOS; specially with all the customizing I can do on my Note 4.
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I'll definitely give that post by Davey126 a read, thanks.
I'm using a Galaxy Note 4 with Android Marshmallow 6.0.1. The phone is not officially supported anymore obviously, but with ROOT, it's still a great phone even today.
My only issue that made me consider Greenify; I don't know if this is typical of Android, is that I charge my phone to 100% before I go to sleep, and when I wake up it's at 86%. The battery is brand new and the phone has been restored to factory settings to start fresh.
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On 6, you may require the help of Greenify but only after you identify the rogue app/s. Unless you sleep for 24 hours a day, your idle drain is high (14% during sleep).
Visit the BBS thread, learn how to create an idle dump, install latest BBS beta from the PlayStore, take an idle dump and post it in the BBS thread and ask for help.
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The screenshot I posted are the default settings as of now for my version of 4.3.2.0 of Greenify on my Galaxy Note 4. Would it be okay to assume that if I leave "these" settings on default without changing anything, and all I do is start choosing application to hibernate that I don't use often or don't need push notifications from, it's a good start?
I do have to choose applications manually for Greenify to start working right? I keep looking at all these "Smart Hibernation" & "Automatic Hibernation" settings and my brain goes back to regular applications like the old App Managers that would start working in the background without me settings anything up or choosing applications.
I'll give your post a read as well, and see if I can learn something from it. For once, I wish I had an Android phone with good battery life like my last iPhone; it wouldn't loose any charge overnight. Loosing 14% battery life overnight without doing anything is a little annoying, but now that I've tried Android with ROOT, it's practically imposible to go back to IOS; specially with all the customizing I can do on my Note 4.
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Reread previous post. Your first task is to identify which app(s), if any, are draining your battery while the device is idle. Adding apps to Greenify w/o justification is a fools errand and will likely increase overall power consumption vs reduce it. Let's keep it simple. What apps regularly appear near the top of the list in Android's battery page in settings?
There are very few "new" batteries for 4 year old devices. While you many have purchased it recently there is a very good chance it sat on the shelf for several years. Or was 'loaded' with substandard cells with less than stated capacity.
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Reread previous post. Your first task is to identify which app(s), if any, are draining your battery while the device is idle. Adding apps to Greenify w/o justification is a fools errand and will likely increase overall power consumption vs reduce it. Let's keep it simple. What apps regularly appear near the top of the list in Android's battery page in settings?
There are very few "new" batteries for 4 year old devices. While you many have purchased it recently there is a very good chance it sat on the shelf for several years. Or was 'loaded' with substandard cells with less than stated capacity.
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The battery is good since I was still using Lollipop LOL not that long on my Note 4, and I felt it ran a lot cooler and battery would last longer than on Marshmallow, but app permissions were horrible in Lollipop; I had no control of my privacy whatsoever with apps.
The only top app on my battery apps list with 20% of the battery used overnight was ESPN. I don't even have push notifications enabled for this app, and I used it hours before I went to sleep and before I charged the phone. That might be the app that is harming my battery life. All the other apps are at 0.04% or less.
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The battery is good since I was still using Lollipop LOL not that long on my Note 4, and I felt it ran a lot cooler and battery would last longer than on Marshmallow, but app permissions were horrible in Lollipop; I had no control of my privacy whatsoever with apps.
The only top app on my battery apps list with 20% of the battery used overnight was ESPN. I don't even have push notifications enabled for this app, and I used it hours before I went to sleep and before I charged the phone. That might be the app that is harming my battery life. All the other apps are at 0.04% or less.
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ESPN app would be an excellent candidate to Greenify. Add it to the 'watch' list and observe device behavior over 24-48 hours.
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ESPN app would be an excellent candidate to Greenify. Add it to the 'watch' list and observe device behavior over 24-48 hours.
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Everything is as you said. Greenify's default settings are more than satisfying, specially since all I wanted to do was to find the culprit that was killing my battery.
After using BetterBatteryStats & Greenify, it turns out "ESPN" and "Samsung Peel Remote Control" are both using more battery life overnight as I sleep, than the "System" itself.
ESPN behaves as it should when I hibernate it; however, Samsung's Peel Remote wakes up overnight; it won't stay hibernated.
I've been trying to use the scissor's icon to prevent other apps from waking the Peel Remote, but it gives me a failed message.
At least now I know that my problem is not the battery or the phone.
Merazomo said:
... however, Samsung's Peel Remote wakes up overnight; it won't stay hibernated.
I've been trying to use the scissor's icon to prevent other apps from waking the Peel Remote, but it gives me a failed message.
At least now I know that my problem is not the battery or the phone.
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Me thinks you should consider another app:
https://fossbytes.com/peel-remote-use-remove-smart-remote/
There are ways to tame the monster using perfectly legal advanced tools (MAT, SD Maid, etc.) but such discussion is beyond the scope of this thread.
Davey126 said:
Me thinks you should consider another app:
https://fossbytes.com/peel-remote-use-remove-smart-remote/
There are ways to tame the monster using perfectly legal advanced tools (MAT, SD Maid, etc.) but such discussion is beyond the scope of this thread.
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I though I was the only one struggling with these apps. I installed an app that called AFWall+ though, that blocks Internet/Data access to the Peel Remote. I no longer get that annoying TV Guide, Ads, or VOD recommendations; just the ability to use it as a normal remote.
The last 3 days, I've only lost 5% battery life overnight with the Greenify & AFWall+ combination. If that keeps up, it's as good as it is going to get for me. If it changes back to 14%, I'm just going to uninstall Peel.
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I though I was the only one struggling with these apps. I installed an app that called AFWall+ though, that blocks Internet/Data access to the Peel Remote. I no longer get that annoying TV Guide, Ads, or VOD recommendations; just the ability to use it as a normal remote.
The last 3 days, I've only lost 5% battery life overnight with the Greenify & AFWall+ combination. If that keeps up, it's as good as it is going to get for me. If it changes back to 14%, I'm just going to uninstall Peel.
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A software firewall (preferably VPN based) is an excellent way to block unwanted content and network communications including ads, tracking uploads and/or malicious downloads. I run some type of software firewall on every device I own. As for idle drain rates, I average 0.15-0.25%/hr on WiFi only tablets; 0.4-0.6%/hr on phones. Pretty consistent range regardless of brand, ROM or other variables. Greenify, which I use sparingly, is the only non-native power management tool in my arsenal. No silly alarm/wakelock squashing, doze tuners, etc. Mind your settings, behaviors and app portfolio. Pretty simple stuff. Depressing news for budding geeks with too much time on their hands.
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I though I was the only one struggling with these apps. I installed an app that called AFWall+ though, that blocks Internet/Data access to the Peel Remote. I no longer get that annoying TV Guide, Ads, or VOD recommendations; just the ability to use it as a normal remote.
The last 3 days, I've only lost 5% battery life overnight with the Greenify & AFWall+ combination. If that keeps up, it's as good as it is going to get for me. If it changes back to 14%, I'm just going to uninstall Peel.
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First and most important, it's exactly as @Davey126 stated directly above. Second in order to support your decision: For many years now, I use Greenify and AFWall+ Pro, and I confirm your observation. All of our telephones (we don't own an Android tablet etc.) achieve overnight battery drainages between 0.5 - 0.7%/h including network connection and some non-greenified apps. In airplane mode the drainage decreases to 0.2 - 0.3%/h. For quite some time till about a year ago, I also used tools like Amplify, PowerNap etc. until I realised it makes no sense to try to turn on these knobs i.e. to fight effects but not the causes - and more important I didn't gain any battery life by their utilisation.
BTW: If you're interested in trying a different firewall, NetGuard by M66B, very well known among all users interested in privacy, is an interesting alternative. Based on VPN and no-root required. The only reason why I stay with AFWall+ Pro and don't switch to NetGuard is Android's inherent limitation to only allow one VPN tunnel at a time. And as I always enable my own secure VPN connection with my RaspberryPi in our home network before I connect to mobile data or a foreign WiFi, I can't use NetGuard.
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First and most important, it's exactly as @Davey126 stated directly above. Second in order to support your decision: For many years now, I use Greenify and AFWall+ Pro, and I confirm your observation. All of our telephones (we don't own an Android tablet etc.) achieve overnight battery drainages between 0.5 - 0.7%/h including network connection and some non-greenified apps. In airplane mode the drainage decreases to 0.2 - 0.3%/h. For quite some time till about a year ago, I also used tools like Amplify, PowerNap etc. until I realised it makes no sense to try to turn on these knobs i.e. to fight effects but not the causes - and more important I didn't gain any battery life by their utilisation.
BTW: If you're interested in trying a different firewall, NetGuard by M66B, very well known among all users interested in privacy, is an interesting alternative. Based on VPN and no-root required. The only reason why I stay with AFWall+ Pro and don't switch to NetGuard is Android's inherent limitation to only allow one VPN tunnel at a time. And as I always enable my own secure VPN connection with my RaspberryPi in our home network before I connect to mobile data or a foreign WiFi, I can't use NetGuard.
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Yeah, after doing much research online, it came down to NetGuard - NoRoot Firewall - Droidwall(now Avast) - Afwall+.
I chose Afwall+ because it seemed easier to use. The other apps seem more customizable if you know what you're doing, but for what I needed Afwall+ is more of a "click and save" type of app.
Davey126 said:
A software firewall (preferably VPN based) is an excellent way to block unwanted content and network communications including ads, tracking uploads and/or malicious downloads. I run some type of software firewall on every device I own. As for idle drain rates, I average 0.15-0.25%/hr on WiFi only tablets; 0.4-0.6%/hr on phones. Pretty consistent range regardless of brand, ROM or other variables. Greenify, which I use sparingly, is the only non-native power management tool in my arsenal. No silly alarm/wakelock squashing, doze tuners, etc. Mind your settings, behaviors and app portfolio. Pretty simple stuff. Depressing news for budding geeks with too much time on their hands.
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Curiosity bricked a few of my phones over the years LOL. I guess it's human nature.
Reading through a bunch of threads when I still didn't know what Greenify was, there were a few discussions about being able to get "push notifications" when an app was still in hibernation.
How much truth is there to those statements? I have Instagram, Messenger, Facebook, etc. installed on my phone not because I use them constantly, but because it's the easier/cheaper way for my family to contact me.
It would be great to be able to hibernate all those apps, and still know when my family is trying to contact me, even if I have to manually hibernate the apps again afterwards.
Or did I read too much into it and mixed things up?
Merazomo said:
Curiosity bricked a few of my phones over the years LOL. I guess it's human nature.
Reading through a bunch of threads when I still didn't know what Greenify was, there were a few discussions about being able to get "push notifications" when an app was still in hibernation.
How much truth is there to those statements? I have Instagram, Messenger, Facebook, etc. installed on my phone not because I use them constantly, but because it's the easier/cheaper way for my family to contact me.
It would be great to be able to hibernate all those apps, and still know when my family is trying to contact me, even if I have to manually hibernate the apps again afterwards.
Or did I read too much into it and mixed things up?
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Push notifications work with some Greenifed apps (must be GCM capable) but may be delayed by minutes/hours depending on Greenify settings, app design, GCM capabilities, availability of Xposed framework, timing of doze maintenance windows and a bunch of other variables. Best way to assess with your app portfolio is to try.
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Since your the guru on most things. Wondering if you an direct me/tell me, to a best practice on how to debloat H932. Since there really is no debloated stock rom available. Really need wifi calling so can't go to any of the aosp roms.
Also I moved over to Nova Launcher as you suggested in one of my posts.
Thanks for the help.
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Well, I'm not a guru on most things. But I do try to help. I'm not a dev, so people like @runningnak3d or @seadersn know lots more than me.
Before I answer your question about debloating, for Nova launcher I found an icon pack I like on Google Play. I applied it to "convert" all my icons to that look. I also use the "cube" screen turn, and the reverse parallax view where my background image moves with the screen turns. I also put shadows under my icon labels to give them more a 3D look.
For "debloating", Titanium Backup is best or even Greenify (hear me out) -- depending on your goal. Yes, you can force uninstall any app, even system app. Simply change system app to user app, then uninstall. There's even a "bloatware melter" (or something like that) you can invoke in Titanium Backup. Of course, make very good backup(s) with TWRP.
1) I'm not sure what all "bloatware" (added apps) comes with H932, as the carrier unlocked US998 doesn't have much. Look for social media apps you don't use, maybe media streaming services you don't use. On my US998, I DO use Pandora, I DO use Facebook. I've kept Twitter, but I've never used Instagram and probably never will. However, since it's a system app, removing won't really help me free up space (unless I am misunderstanding that LG uses protected system space). Freezing via Titanium Backup might be better.
But first let's discuss bloatware... Somebody said this in another thread:
Things like Hangouts, Keep, Play Games, Play Books, Play Newstand, Google+, Maps, and a handful of other things I consider bloatware. Just because it's from Google doesn't mean it's wanted and doesn't mean it should be pre-loaded.
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I don't agree with him. I use Hangouts every day. It's my SMS app, as I have Google Voice. I use Maps every day, my wife uses Keep everyday. So, bloatware to everyone is different.
2) What is the goal? Reclaiming RAM or reclaiming space on the phone? "User apps" can be uninstalled to reclaim space, and while you CAN uninstall system apps, (to my knowledge) it doesn't help you reclaim user space. With few exceptions when you install something else, it's going to user space, not protected system space. Emptying out protected system space is decluttering the tool shed when you really want more space in your kitchen.
If you simply want stuff to stop running in the background, it's often better to freeze it in Titanium Backup or "hibernate" it with Greenify. If you freeze it and find out it's NEEDED, you can unfreeze it. Hibernate with Greenify means it won't run unless opened, and when closed will be hibernated again.
In one of the "package disabler" threads, somebody published a list of stuff you can remove from LG V30 and it was horrendously stupid. "Can" does not mean "should" -- unless you want to break basic functionality of the phone or want to remove a lot of the premium features.
This below is a conversation from that "package disabler" thread:
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***WARNING*** Some of these apps are ABSOLUTELY necessary. It would be very useful to go through this list and define what absolutely every one of those items are, as I have already found one that is absolutely essential to the basic functionality of the phone.
After having gone through a LOT of other things trying to determine why my SD card was not working with non-google apps, though google apps had no problems with it, and editing the contents with the computer was not an issue, it finally caught my attention that I had done this debloat process around the time that I started having problems (a few days before - hadn't tried to use the SD card other than to read the files, which has always worked).
After several days of searching different things, uninstalling and reinstalling apps (before I checked the debloat process), and finally going one by one with each debloated app, I finally found the culprit. "External Storage" or "com.android.externalstorage" which lists by the LG app as bloatware. But after I turned it back on, the write access was returned to non-google apps.
*edit* I'm also looking for the culprit causing Android Pay to stop working (specifically, when I go to settings, General, Tap & Pay, settings crashes). I've already reenabled "Android Pay" "com.google.android.apps.walletnfcrel" but Settings still crashes when I click on Tap & Pay, so there's some other dependency. And Android Pay is a google service, not related to LG bloatware, so *shouldn't* be just disabled "because" especially when it causes apps to crash just by clicking the wrong button - such as SETTINGS.
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No disrespect to the op who was trying to share something that seems useful (he didn't write this app), BUT...
There's some things in those screenshots that should NOT be disabled. I do question the person who wrote this app. *
In your case for Android Pay, check the NFC stuff. Android Pay depends on NFC working. THAT (NFC) should never never never be disabled. "NFC" is is not an "LG" bloatware -- that is Android system stuff. I made fun of OnePlus for shipping a phone without NFC, and we're disabling it on OUR phones? NFC settings (page 7 of the screenshots in the op). By the way, NFC isn't just for Android Pay, it does other things too.
Some more that seems important...
Hidden Menu (helps you enable more LTE bands, check your OLED display for uniformity, and other things)
Print Spooler (Android service, not LG at all). My wife and I print from our smartphones to our wireless printer all the time. Even if you don't right now, in the future you may and will you really remember you DISABLED this very handy feature?
FM radio. There are some carriers who will NOT allow you to have this (Verizon, cough), and people are forced to SIDELOAD it to get it on their phones and the dev wants you to disable it?
"Qualcomm location" is useful, is related to GPS.
Wi-Fi calling and "W-Fi calling settings". Intertwined with VoLTE. All major carriers have that feature and even smaller carriers are rolling it out.
VPN stuff (two different settings in that list). I've used VPN many times, for work and personal reasons. Besides, many non-root ad blockers use VPN to redirect ad requests.
NFC settings (already mentioned, page 7 of the screenshots in the op)
And of course the External Storage service you mentioned which controls functionality of the microSD card storage.
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I am running into a little issue though. I disable everything in in the open and I lose hd calling.
Anyone know which I need to re enable to get volte back [or hd calling)
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Probably the two Wi-Fi calling settings. I know with at least one major U.S. carrier, the VoLTE/Wi-Fi calling are very intertwined.
There's stuff in here that should NOT be disabled if you want your phone to work right.
* Whoever wrote this (now banned) app seems to have very limited world experience with carriers and smartphones.
Disabling external storage? What, you want a flip phone? Then buy a flip phone.
Disabling Wi-Fi calling? Crazy. Most major carriers are offering this, and even smaller carriers are rolling it out.
Same thing with print spooler and even VPN above. It's like they are trying to turn an LG phone into a OnePlus phone or worse, where users PRETEND they have a top tier Android but really don't.
Yes, some other things in the 11 page list should be hibernated with Greenify, but not totally disabled. It should not be in a disable list.
And you should definitely NOT remove them with ADB. Be very careful!
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Back to our discussion.
3) There's stuff you do NOT want to touch
In Titanium Backup, all the "system" stuff is in red letters. BE VERY CAREFUL! "360 Image Wallpaper" and "360 Video"? I'll never use that, but on the other hand removing it doesn't really help me get more user space back (unless I'm wrong about protected system space). However, you could freeze it in Titanium Backup if you suspected it was using RAM...
I see "SprintService 8.0.0.0" listed in red on my original US998 V30+ -- which is ironic since Sprint doesn't allow the US998 to be activated on their network. Maybe I could remove that, but again is it really hurting me and is it possibly helping me in some way? There's a lot of stuff interconnected that when you remove you find you haven't made the phone faster, but now have lag (since the phone looks for that stuff instead of moving on).
So, freeze or hibernate. Actually uninstall with caution. Make good TWRP backups.
Anybody else can chime in -- but PLEASE do not recommend any of the package disabler apps. We are discussing debloating ROOTED firmware.
I don't even bother with deleting system stuff. This phone really doesn't have that much bloat. And deleting stuff probably won't do much to make a difference anyway. The only reason I use the LG Package Disabler app is to disable the theme service when I want to apply an LG theme but also use substratum. That way it doesn't re-apply the LG theme and remove the substratum stuff on a reboot.
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I don't even bother with deleting system stuff. This phone really doesn't have that much bloat. And deleting stuff probably won't do much to make a difference anyway. The only reason I use the LG Package Disabler app is to disable the theme service when I want to apply an LG theme but also use substratum. That way it doesn't re-apply the LG theme and remove the substratum stuff on a reboot.
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you can use adb uninstall too, so no extra app needed (though you can reactivate apps with lgpd? maybe easier then.). just google for it, there's plenty of info and more than one method :good:
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you can use adb uninstall too, so no extra app needed (though you can reactivate apps with lgpd? maybe easier then.). just google for it, there's plenty of info and more than one method :good:
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Yeah, I need to be able to re-enable it if I want to change an LG theme or go back to the default one. Completely removing it probably wouldn't be smart
Has anyone here uses package disabler pro or adb to remove bloatware and/or system apps? If so which apps did you disable/remove? Did it affect performance and/or battery life at all?
I used the ADB method. That said, some of the software (mostly pre-installed games) can be uninstalled normally, which is nice.
For the rest, I used ADB commands in Fastboot to remove them.
I was working mostly blind, since I hadn't seen anyone with a list, but I think I wound up nuking somewhere between two and three dozen system apps.
Sadly, I didn't write out a list. I tried to err on the side of caution and not nuke anything that sounded important.
Crap like the Game of Thrones game, CNN app and other news apps, radio apps, LG versions of stuff I was using Google apps of (most LG software, actually).
I left things like LG Home and LG Dual Screen installed. Obviously didn't touch System UI or anything that seemed critical.
I also removed some AT&T garbage I don't want or need.
I just Googled up generic instructions and winged it after that.
I did all this on my first day with the phone (early April) so I really don't have any way to compare performance or battery life before and after.
But I haven't had a single performance issue with this phone in over a month of use, and battery has been absolutely beastly.
(I think you've seen a comprehensive post I made in another thread of yours that shows my software environment and how I replaced pretty much everything (launcher, navigation gesture, live wallpaper, etc.) with third-party software that I prefer).
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I used the ADB method. That said, some of the software (mostly pre-installed games) can be uninstalled normally, which is nice.
For the rest, I used ADB commands in Fastboot to remove them.
I was working mostly blind, since I hadn't seen anyone with a list, but I think I wound up nuking somewhere between two and three dozen system apps.
Sadly, I didn't write out a list. I tried to err on the side of caution and not nuke anything that sounded important.
Crap like the Game of Thrones game, CNN app and other news apps, radio apps, LG versions of stuff I was using Google apps of (most LG software, actually).
I left things like LG Home and LG Dual Screen installed. Obviously didn't touch System UI or anything that seemed critical.
I also removed some AT&T garbage I don't want or need.
I just Googled up generic instructions and winged it after that.
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What's the benefits to disabling all of this stuff? I've spent years debloating my devices and never actually noticed any benefit to it. It's a genuine question, as I'm deciding whether or not to do it myself as well
Mejilan said:
I used the ADB method. That said, some of the software (mostly pre-installed games) can be uninstalled normally, which is nice.
For the rest, I used ADB commands in Fastboot to remove them.
I was working mostly blind, since I hadn't seen anyone with a list, but I think I wound up nuking somewhere between two and three dozen system apps.
Sadly, I didn't write out a list. I tried to err on the side of caution and not nuke anything that sounded important.
Crap like the Game of Thrones game, CNN app and other news apps, radio apps, LG versions of stuff I was using Google apps of (most LG software, actually).
I left things like LG Home and LG Dual Screen installed. Obviously didn't touch System UI or anything that seemed critical.
I also removed some AT&T garbage I don't want or need.
I just Googled up generic instructions and winged it after that.
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Do you have the commands? I need to dump chrome as it keeps re-enabling itself and I absolutely HATE chrome. Keeps giving itself permissions I've denied it as well. This has been happening several times a day for about 4 days now
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What's the benefits to disabling all of this stuff? I've spent years debloating my devices and never actually noticed any benefit to it. It's a genuine question, as I'm deciding whether or not to do it myself as well
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For one, it just gets rid of apps and icons for crap I never wanted to begin with. I know that most third-party launchers have options to hide apps, but I wanted a solution that was a tad more permanent (though without root, this isn't a 100% wiping of these apps. It's just the best we can manage without root). Since I tend to use Google's main suite of apps for most things, and replace things like my launcher, navigation gestures, and other critical parts of the software environment with third-party solutions, I don't really want a lot of overlapping apps that I'm never going to use. So nuking things like OEM or Carrier versions of Google apps is usually one of my first priorities. Also bull**** like Device Wellness apps, Carrier promotional apps and games, duplicate contacts, gallery, keyboard, dialer, email, contacts, calendar, messaging and browser apps. All that stuff goes. I have no use for two or three different versions of all these apps on my device. I love Chrome, Google Photos, the Google Dialer, Google Contacts, Google Calendar, Google's RCS-enabled Messaging app, etc.
So for me, it's to de-clutter and to make sure I don't have duplicate functionality potentially running in the background eating up system resources, RAM, or mobile data. As long as you don't accidentally nuke something critical to the system, there's no real harm in de-bloating, even if on modern flaghsips with beastly hardware and tons of RAM, there's little performance or battery life to be gained by doing so. If nothing else, I try to keep the number of installed apps in the low 100s, and this helps on that count.
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Do you have the commands? I need to dump chrome as it keeps re-enabling itself and I absolutely HATE chrome. Keeps giving itself permissions I've denied it as well. This has been happening several times a day for about 4 days now
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I used the following guide:
https://www.xda-developers.com/uninstall-carrier-oem-bloatware-without-root-access/amp/
I believe I had the LG Mobile Drivers and Minimalist ADB & Fastboot already installed from my V30 days, so I skipped the first few steps, IIRC.
Or maybe I downloaded new versions and installed those. I don't remember anymore.
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For one, it just gets rid of apps and icons for crap I never wanted to begin with. I know that most third-party launchers have options to hide apps, but I wanted a solution that was a tad more permanent (though without root, this isn't a 100% wiping of these apps. It's just the best we can manage without root). Since I tend to use Google's main suite of apps for most things, and replace things like my launcher, navigation gestures, and other critical parts of the software environment with third-party solutions, I don't really want a lot of overlapping apps that I'm never going to use. So nuking things like OEM or Carrier versions of Google apps is usually one of my first priorities. Also bull**** like Device Wellness apps, Carrier promotional apps and games, duplicate contacts, gallery, keyboard, dialer, email, contacts, calendar, messaging and browser apps. All that stuff goes. I have no use for two or three different versions of all these apps on my device. I love Chrome, Google Photos, the Google Dialer, Google Contacts, Google Calendar, Google's RCS-enabled Messaging app, etc.
So for me, it's to de-clutter and to make sure I don't have duplicate functionality potentially running in the background eating up system resources, RAM, or mobile data. As long as you don't accidentally nuke something critical to the system, there's no real harm in de-bloating, even if on modern flaghsips with beastly hardware and tons of RAM, there's little performance or battery life to be gained by doing so. If nothing else, I try to keep the number of installed apps in the low 100s, and this helps on that count.
I used the following guide:
https://www.xda-developers.com/uninstall-carrier-oem-bloatware-without-root-access/amp/
I believe I had the LG Mobile Drivers and Minimalist ADB & Fastboot already installed from my V30 days, so I skipped the first few steps, IIRC.
Or maybe I downloaded new versions and installed those. I don't remember anymore.
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Back in my V20 days there was an app on the store for this. I'm assuming that's no longer the case? I have been using a rooted OnePlus for a couple of years so I'm out of the loop on this ?
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Back in my V20 days there was an app on the store for this. I'm assuming that's no longer the case? I have been using a rooted OnePlus for a couple of years so I'm out of the loop on this
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LG Package Disabler, or some such? I think it's still around.
I've heard of it, though I've never actually used it.
Nor do I know if it's been updated to support the V60.
Edit - I think this is it. And there's one review that suggests that it works on the V60.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdmdm.dmplay
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LG Package Disabler, or some such? I think it's still around.
I've heard of it, though I've never actually used it.
Nor do I know if it's been updated to support the V60.
Edit - I think this is it. And there's one review that suggests that it works on the V60.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdmdm.dmplay
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It does.. curiously look at the apps it shows disabled when I downloaded it. I disabled Android Auto and YouTube... But what the hell are this other apps? I didn't touch them
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It does.. curiously look at the apps it shows disabled when I downloaded it. I disabled Android Auto and YouTube... But what the hell are this other apps? I didn't touch them
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I think some of those, like the Android Device Wizard and LG Device Wizard are basically one-time apps that run whenever a phone is factory reset.
Basically, the new phone set-up screens and activations you went through when you first powered your device on after purchasing and receiving it.
They may be automatically flagged to disable themselves after that first-time run so that they don't continue to run anytime you reboot the device.
Honestly, that's just a guess, because I don't know.
I don't know about the rest of them, but you can probably Google them.
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I think some of those, like the Android Device Wizard and LG Device Wizard are basically one-time apps that run whenever a phone is factory reset.
Basically, the new phone set-up screens and activations you went through when you first powered your device on after purchasing and receiving it.
They may be automatically flagged to disable themselves after that first-time run so that they don't continue to run anytime you reboot the device.
Honestly, that's just a guess, because I don't know.
I don't know about the rest of them, but you can probably Google them.
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I tried, there was no real useful information. I was just curious anyway
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I tried, there was no real useful information. I was just curious anyway
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I did some quick research:
com.lge.gdec.client seems to be related to the LG G-DEC portal.
https://gdec.lge.com/memLogin.do?req_lang=en
I don't have a log-in, nor do I know how to procure one, but I highly suspect that this is NOT a consumer-level feature or portal.
Perhaps it's for LG developers or existing LG employees. But if it's not consumer-level, then it's not surprising that the service is disabled by default.
LG GCUV (com.lge.gcuv) seems to be related to yet another LG sign-in portal called, appropriately enough, GCUV.
http://india.gcuv.lge.com/
This one seems to be specific to LG users (or developers or sales reps) in India, and it makes sense that it would be disabled on devices not intended for Indian markets.
Like G-DEC, I don't have a log-in for this, nor the means to procure one. I suspect this is another service that is not intended for everyday consumers.
I cannot find any information on Enabler Customizer (com.lge.smartenabler). Just questions about what it is here on XDA and on Reddit, with no one apparently knowing the answer.
So you might be asking yourself why system apps for services and log-ins not intended for consumers (or intended only for specific regions/markets) are doing on our phones?
The simple answer, most likely, is that they probably want to maintain and update as few system images as possible and thus, try to make them as homogenous as possible, disabling things not intended for this market or that market, as needed. Considering how slow LG typically are in releasing new updates for even their newest phones (let alone their older ones that have not yet technically seen support hit end-of-life), I'm OK with them trying to keep down the number of system images they need to work on. Especially if they pre-disable stuff not relevant to us without us needing to do it ourselves.
Mejilan said:
I did some quick research:
com.lge.gdec.client seems to be related to the LG G-DEC portal.
https://gdec.lge.com/memLogin.do?req_lang=en
I don't have a log-in, nor do I know how to procure one, but I highly suspect that this is NOT a consumer-level feature or portal.
Perhaps it's for LG developers or existing LG employees. But if it's not consumer-level, then it's not surprising that the service is disabled by default.
LG GCUV (com.lge.gcuv) seems to be related to yet another LG sign-in portal called, appropriately enough GCUV.
http://india.gcuv.lge.com/
This one seems to be specific to LG users (or developers or sales reps) in India, and it makes sense that it would be disabled on devices not intended for Indian markets.
Like G-DEC, I don't have a log-in for this, nor the means to procure one. I suspect this is another service that is not intended for everyday consumers.
I cannot find any information on Enabler Customizer (com.lge.smartenabler). Just questions about what it is here on XDA and on Reddit, with no one apparently knowing the answer.
So you might be asking yourself why system apps for services and log-ins not intended for consumers (or intended only for specific regions/markets) are doing on our phones?
The simple answer, most likely, is that they probably want to maintain and update as few system images as possible and thus, try to make them as homogenous as possible, disabling things not intended for this market or that market, as needed. Considering how slow LG typically are in releasing new updates for even their newest phones (let alone their older ones that have not yet technically seen support hit end-of-life), I'm OK with them trying to keep down the number of system images they need to work on. Especially if they pre-disable stuff not relevant to us without us needing to do it ourselves.
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Yeah I found those links but didn't really know what I was reading. I completely understand why they would be on all devices for ease of update and production. I just didn't know what they were
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Yeah I found those links but didn't really know what I was reading. I completely understand why they would be on all devices for ease of update and production. I just didn't know what they were
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Now I kind of want to know what they are as well.
If I had to take a guess, I'd say that they're intended for either LG developers, sales reps, or repair technicians, and that these disabled services facilitate the servicing of devices when needed.
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LG Package Disabler, or some such? I think it's still around.
I've heard of it, though I've never actually used it.
Nor do I know if it's been updated to support the V60.
Edit - I think this is it. And there's one review that suggests that it works on the V60.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdmdm.dmplay
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That app basically does the same as disabling the apps. It won't stop Chrome from re-enabling every day. I'll try your adb commands next. So tired of that crap app doing this
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That app basically does the same as disabling the apps. It won't stop Chrome from re-enabling every day. I'll try your adb commands next. So tired of that crap app doing this
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I imagine the ADB commands will work. I don't plan on disabling Chrome, because I use it every day.
But when you zap a package using Fastboot, the app will still actually show up in your Apps listing under Settings, but it'll have a "not installed" next to it.
If you do a factory reset, they'll all revert and you'd need to use the Fastboot ADB commands to nuke them again.
So they're kind of half-gone.
It's not quite as comprehensive as using root to completely delete them from the system partition.
But it's the best we've got outside of root.
I can confirm this package disabler works to disable any app on the V60 which is literally the only thing I typically do when rooting now that I have adguard and youtube vanced... so I dont need root access anymore thanks to that package disabler app. The phone is also fast enough for me to not need access to any type of speed tweaking of the cpu or anything. This is the first phone I can use without root thanks to that dev.
I have significantly improved my charging speed issues and battery drain issues seem to finally drain at a normal rate rather than unexplainably quick. Everything I use still works, im experienced at minimal services tho from every device ive ever owned, pc and phone. Yes it does make a significant difference to not be running so many unnecessary processes.
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Has anyone here uses package disabler pro or adb to remove bloatware and/or system apps? If so which apps did you disable/remove? Did it affect performance and/or battery life at all?
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I can confirm this package disabler works to disable any app on the V60 which is literally the only thing I typically do when rooting now that I have adguard and youtube vanced... so I dont need root access anymore thanks to that package disabler app. The phone is also fast enough for me to not need access to any type of speed tweaking of the cpu or anything. This is the first phone I can use without root thanks to that dev.
I have significantly improved my charging speed issues and battery drain issues seem to finally drain at a normal rate rather than unexplainably quick. Everything I use still works, im experienced at minimal services tho from every device ive ever owned, pc and phone. Yes it does make a significant difference to not be running so many unnecessary processes.
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Do you have a list of what you disabled?
I have the tmobile varient... This is the xml contents of the things I disabled for a stock experience. Note: I dont use google voice assistant or any pen input, nfc, or always on display... I also use youtube vanced for youtube and poweramp for music. Those are notable things I disabled imo, everything else is just added bloat to stock Android 10. Dont disable any LG Home apps as they power the navigation and also dual screens, this is safe you wont get any device bricking errors, you can always go back and toggle things on and off to your liking but this is the xml export of apps I disabled. You could copy and paste this and save as xml to import into the service disabler.
Code:
<h>
<a class="java.util.ArrayList">
<string>com.android.LGSetupWizard</string>
<string>com.google.android.youtube</string>
<string>com.lge.sizechangable.weather.platform</string>
<string>com.android.dynsystem</string>
<string>com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox</string>
<string>com.lge.lgbroadcastradioservice</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcprovider</string>
<string>com.google.android.onetimeinitializer</string>
<string>com.lge.appbox.client</string>
<string>com.lge.quicktools</string>
<string>com.lge.mirrorlink</string>
<string>com.tmobile.m1</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.uimremoteclient</string>
<string>com.lge.sui.widget</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.qms.service.connectionsecurity</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcconnectivity</string>
<string>com.quicinc.voice.activation</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.telephonyservice</string>
<string>com.lge.gnsstest</string>
<string>com.tmobile.pr.mytmobile</string>
<string>com.lge.lifetracker</string>
<string>com.lge.smartshare.provider</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.uimremoteserver</string>
<string>com.google.ar.core</string>
<string>com.google.ar.lens</string>
<string>com.lge.myplace.engine</string>
<string>com.lge.pickme</string>
<string>com.ipsec.service</string>
<string>com.lge.diag.echolocate</string>
<string>com.android.carrierconfig</string>
<string>com.google.android.marvin.talkback</string>
<string>com.lge.launcher2.theme.optimus</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.work.oobconfig</string>
<string>com.android.hotwordenrollment.xgoogle</string>
<string>com.lge.smartshare</string>
<string>com.lge.icecontacts</string>
<string>com.android.egg</string>
<string>com.android.nfc</string>
<string>com.android.backupconfirm</string>
<string>com.lge.iftttmanager</string>
<string>com.lge.exchange</string>
<string>com.lge.wapservice</string>
<string>com.google.android.gm</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.tachyon</string>
<string>com.lge.nfwlocationattribution</string>
<string>com.lge.gnsslogsetting</string>
<string>com.lge.ia.task.smartsetting</string>
<string>com.lge.lgmapui</string>
<string>com.lge.lgworld</string>
<string>com.google.android.setupwizard</string>
<string>com.lge.gamelauncher</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qcrilmsgtunnel</string>
<string>com.facebook.services</string>
<string>com.android.printspooler</string>
<string>com.android.hotwordenrollment.okgoogle</string>
<string>com.android.dreams.basic</string>
<string>com.lge.gnsspostest</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.wellbeing</string>
<string>com.tmobile.pr.adapt</string>
<string>com.lge.abba</string>
<string>com.lge.cmas</string>
<string>com.lge.eula</string>
<string>com.lge.gcuv</string>
<string>com.lge.laot</string>
<string>com.lge.lms2</string>
<string>com.lge.jansky.service</string>
<string>com.lge.sizechangable.weather.theme.optimus</string>
<string>com.lge.entitlementcheckservice</string>
<string>com.lge.gestureanswering</string>
<string>com.google.android.syncadapters.contacts</string>
<string>com.android.chrome</string>
<string>com.google.android.tag</string>
<string>com.lge.gnss.airtest</string>
<string>com.lge.signboard.settings</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.walletnfcrel</string>
<string>com.lge.wifi.p2p</string>
<string>com.android.calllogbackup</string>
<string>com.google.android.partnersetup</string>
<string>com.lge.gallery.aodimagewidget</string>
<string>com.android.carrierdefaultapp</string>
<string>com.lge.gdec.client</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.remoteSimlockAuth</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcsettings</string>
<string>com.google.android.feedback</string>
<string>com.google.android.printservice.recommendation</string>
<string>com.android.managedprovisioning</string>
<string>com.lge.smartsharepush</string>
<string>com.lge.lgcontentsetting</string>
<string>com.lge.themeservice</string>
<string>com.tmobile.rsuadapter.qualcomm</string>
<string>com.ipsec.vpnclient</string>
<string>com.android.providers.partnerbookmarks</string>
<string>com.lge.qhelp.application</string>
<string>com.android.wallpaper.livepicker</string>
<string>com.facebook.system</string>
<string>com.ipsec.profile</string>
<string>com.lge.myplace</string>
<string>com.lge.hotspotprovision</string>
<string>com.lge.provider.signboard</string>
<string>com.lge.lgfota.permission</string>
<string>com.lge.lgaccount</string>
<string>com.lge.sizechangable.weather</string>
<string>com.google.android.projection.gearhead</string>
<string>com.lge.lgwallet</string>
<string>com.lge.eulaprovider</string>
<string>com.lge.bnr</string>
<string>com.lge.phonemanagement</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.services.secureui</string>
<string>com.lge.smartdoctor.webview</string>
<string>com.lge.smartenabler</string>
<string>com.lge.cic.eden.service</string>
<string>com.google.android.gms.location.history</string>
<string>com.facebook.appmanager</string>
<string>com.lge.leccp</string>
<string>com.lge.music</string>
<string>com.lge.qhelp</string>
<string>com.android.traceur</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.qms.service.trustzoneaccess</string>
<string>com.tmobile.rsuapp</string>
<string>com.tmobile.rsusrv</string>
<string>com.lge.gametuner</string>
<string>com.lge.signboard</string>
<string>com.lge.animal.resource</string>
<string>com.lge.snappage</string>
<string>com.lge.livemessage</string>
<string>com.lge.penprime</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcservice</string>
<string>com.google.android.inputmethod.latin</string>
<string>com.lge.sdencryption</string>
<string>com.lge.qmemoplus</string>
</a>
</h>
Again, all core phone features definately work like internet, messaging, phone calls, fingerprint, location, cameras, all of it as normal. There are a couple debatable apps like
com.lge.ia.task.smartsetting where I debate their impact on LGs battery management because I do believe it is possible for them to have added a particular app that improved on android 10s battery but for me im good with running with just things I know come with stock + dont break the system ui or dual screen functionality.
I just feel like companies with 1000s of employees force develop apps just to say they did something each week (+brag about in ads), and to act as if Google hasnt done a good enough job... usually companys have a couple solid apps but mostly bulky junk they think just because a phones specs are able to run a lot of things at once, its okay to toss in all kinds of extra code for the phone to have to deal with.
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Do you have a list of what you disabled?
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I have the tmobile varient... This is the xml contents of the things I disabled for a stock experience. Note: I dont use google voice assistant or any pen input, nfc, or always on display... I also use youtube vanced for youtube and poweramp for music. Those are notable things I disabled imo, everything else is just added bloat to stock Android 10. Dont disable any LG Home apps as they power the navigation and also dual screens, this is safe you wont get any device bricking errors, you can always go back and toggle things on and off to your liking but this is the xml export of apps I disabled. You could copy and paste this and save as xml to import into the service disabler.
Again, all core phone features definately work like internet, messaging, phone calls, fingerprint, location, cameras, all of it as normal. There are a couple debatable apps like
com.lge.ia.task.smartsetting where I debate their impact on LGs battery management because I do believe it is possible for them to have added a particular app that improved on android 10s battery but for me im good with running with just things I know come with stock + dont break the system ui or dual screen functionality.
I just feel like companies with 1000s of employees force develop apps just to say they did something each week (+brag about in ads), and to act as if Google hasnt done a good enough job... usually companys have a couple solid apps but mostly bulky junk they think just because a phones specs are able to run a lot of things at once, its okay to toss in all kinds of extra code for the phone to have to deal with.
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Awesome thanks man!
No problem, I will update this later on this week. Whats funny is that was my stable backup but not my very latest tweaking, when I went to export my very latest list, the app has a button to enable all disabled apps and I accidentally pressed it, so I lost those settings but am working on making sure the very best options are enabled and disabled. I will be testing and tweaking to update this base list this werk to find the cleanest, performance and battery life... (by trying out before and after of certain debatable services)
If you use this list and find a feature is disabled you use and you dont know which app it was let me know (ex google assistant) I will let you know which apps you need to reenable.
Off the top of my head, device health services and qualcomms devicestatisticservice (id suggest disabling this one) and lgs smartcare are some apps that are debatable on whether or not they are best to enable or disable..
I play a lot of fortnite (I know I know) but its literally the most battery draining thing you can do especially when combined with a bluetooth controller at full brightness, so battery performance is easy for me to monitor.. Also I was having an absolute misreable time with this device before I came here and saw that nonroot package disabler program was a thing.
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I've been removing bloatware that I see using `adb shell pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.the.app`. I think I may have removed "the wrong thing" because now I don't see the Battery setting in the settings list. I also don't see battery saver in the notification menu. There was a useful battery statistics page that showed what apps are using what percentage of the battery. I'd like to get that back.
Can anyone confirm what the package is that provides this functionality? I'll look at how to restore it (since I used the -k option I should be able to get it back).
Thank you.
There are dependencies. Can't recall all for that.
Maybe:
com.sec.android.sdhms
com.google.android.apps.turbo
You really need to know what you're uninstalling before you do it.
It's easier to use a Package Disabler if you want to experiment. It's possible to boot loop the device though if you go too nuts. Some of the "bloatware" just sits there using no resources until you need it and is in fact operationally useful.
blackhawk said:
There are dependencies. Can't recall all for that.
Maybe:
com.sec.android.sdhms
com.google.android.apps.turbo
You really need to know what you're uninstalling before you do it.
It's easier to use a Package Disabler if you want to experiment. It's possible to boot loop the device though if you go too nuts. Some of the "bloatware" just sits there using no resources until you need it and is in fact operationally useful.
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It's been difficult to find a guide that specifically lists the operationally useful ones to keep. I can only judge them by name and remove based on that. I try to be conservative. But lack of reliable guidance is frustrating.
Googling leads to a ton of different lists of "bloatware", all of them completely wrong. So there's no way for me to know what to trust. I think it would be fantastic if you could provide a list.
I did `cmd package install-existing PACKAGE_NAME` for each of the 2 packages you listed, and it didn't install anything, I think. `pm list` doesn't show them after I run the commands.
Here is something that should be a little more helpful. I generated two lists:
pm list packages -u
pm list packages
I diffed the two and here are the packages that were in the first list but not the second (should represent packages I uninstalled via `adb shell pm uninstall`:
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package:com.samsung.android.fmm
package:com.samsung.android.service.livedrawing
package:com.samsung.android.visionintelligence
package:com.samsung.android.app.clockpack
package:com.samsung.android.app.reminder
package:com.samsung.android.bixbyvision.framework
package:com.samsung.android.app.galaxyfinder
package:com.sec.android.app.samsungapps
package:com.samsung.android.app.notes.addons
package:com.samsung.android.forest
package:com.samsung.android.lool
package:com.samsung.android.app.contacts
package:com.samsung.android.game.gametools
package:com.sec.android.app.myfiles
package:com.samsung.android.bixby.agent.dummy
package:com.samsung.android.app.watchmanagerstub
package:com.sec.android.gallery3d
package:com.sec.android.app.clockpackage
package:com.samsung.android.messaging
package:com.samsung.systemui.bixby2
package:com.samsung.android.authfw
package:com.sec.android.daemonapp
package:com.samsung.android.scloud
package:com.samsung.android.app.dressroom
package:com.samsung.android.beaconmanager
package:com.samsung.android.aremoji
package:com.samsung.android.app.routines
package:com.samsung.storyservice
package:com.samsung.android.bixby.service
package:com.sec.android.mimage.avatarstickers
package:com.samsung.android.arzone
package:com.samsung.android.allshare.service.mediashare
package:com.samsung.android.samsungpassautofill
package:com.samsung.android.ardrawing
package:com.samsung.android.allshare.service.fileshare
package:com.samsung.android.bixby.wakeup
package:com.samsung.android.game.gamehome
package:com.samsung.android.samsungpass
package:com.samsung.android.bixby.agent
package:com.samsung.safetyinformation
package:com.samsung.android.video
package:com.samsung.android.sdk.handwriting
package:com.samsung.android.app.spage
package:com.samsung.android.svoiceime
package:com.samsung.android.calendar
package:com.samsung.app.highlightplayer
package:com.samsung.android.homemode
package:com.samsung.android.app.settings.bixby
package:com.sec.android.easyMover.Agent
If there's anything in here that should be restored (especially if they are related to this battery app issue), please let me know. Thanks again.
Nothing that stands out.
The names can be quit different from their actual function. Worse there can be seemingly unrelated dependencies that will fail if it's needed associated apk is disabled.
Many times the trail/error method is needed to figure out what all a apk or service does.
It takes some time. Each device and user needs are different so each device needs to be customized by the user to work right. One list does not fit all.
I have about 86 packages disabled, about 6 are available immediately by using a PD's interactive widget on/off toggle.
Google play Services and Playstore are normally disabled except when because they're such troublemakers.
Google backup Transport, Framework, Firebase are always disabled.
I also use Karma Firewall to lock down a bunch of apks/services.
My stock N10+/Pie gets 7-11%@hr SOT now. At night using tap on AOD with phone, texting and internet enabled it uses >.5% battery per hour.
Current OS load is over a year old, still fast and very stable with little maintenance needed.
Took over a year for me to fully optimize it.
It's a learning process, but well worth it.
Could you provide some information on how you disable the items in your list? For example I google for disabling Firebase but nothing comes up.
I'm looking at adb logcat to see if something jumps out at me but so far most of it seems useless.
Google Firebase is under Settings, Google account. It collects all kinds of your usage data ie music, playlists, vids etc on your dime, allegedly for faster indexing.
This Disabler works:
Home - Package Disabler
The only NON-root solution that let’s you disable any unwanted packages that come pre-installed / installed with your phone / tablet.
www.packagedisabler.com
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Google Firebase is under Settings, Google account. It collects all kinds of your usage data ie music, playlists, vids etc on your dime, allegedly for faster indexing.
This Disabler works:
Home - Package Disabler
The only NON-root solution that let’s you disable any unwanted packages that come pre-installed / installed with your phone / tablet.
www.packagedisabler.com
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Thank you! How reliable is the disable bloat feature in the dashboard for Package Disabler?
Android.Addiction said:
Thank you! How reliable is the disable bloat feature in the dashboard for Package Disabler?
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What do you mean exactly?
It disables most.
I tried generating a current list but I'm having problems similar to yours
I need to play with it a bit.
Ok I made some progress on this issue. The app that I removed that caused this is:
Code:
com.samsung.android.lool
This is listed in this repo: https://github.com/khlam/debloat-samsung-android
The repository has this to say about the "Device Care" app:
The Device Care app will be disabled and will not appear in settings. This includes Samsung's app sleeper and battery monitor. There is evidence the Device Care app created by the Chinese company Qihoo 360 sends data to China domains over HTTP.
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Is there any other app I can use to analyze battery usage of applications on my tablet?
Android.Addiction said:
Ok I made some progress on this issue. The app that I removed that caused this is:
Code:
com.samsung.android.lool
This is listed in this repo: https://github.com/khlam/debloat-samsung-android
The repository has this to say about the "Device Care" app:
Is there any other app I can use to analyze battery usage of applications on my tablet?
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Device Care is a useful app. I use the original factory load version that came with my 10+.
It uses the suspected CCP spyware 360° cleaning app, which actually does a very good job. I simply firewall block it's untrustworthy a$$
Latter Device Care versions aren't as useful but still have needed settings toggles. After you set them you can disable it. I recommend you not use battery optimization or and of those toggles, only toggle on fast charging. This app doesn't use a lot of power as best I can tell as long as the battery optimizing toggles aren't enabled.
blackhawk said:
Device Care is a useful app. I use the original factory load version that came with my 10+.
It uses the suspected CCP spyware 360° cleaning app, which actually does a very good job. I simply firewall block it's untrustworthy a$$
Latter Device Care versions aren't as useful but still have needed settings toggles. After you set them you can disable it. I recommend you not use battery optimization or and of those toggles, only toggle on fast charging. This app doesn't use a lot of power as best I can tell as long as the battery optimizing toggles aren't enabled.
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I instead went with a separate app, AccuBattery, to monitor app battery usage. That way I'm not relying on potential malware from Samsung
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I instead went with a separate app, AccuBattery, to monitor app battery usage. That way I'm not relying on potential malware from Samsung
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Accubattery can't do what Device Care does.
I use Accubattery too.
The newer versions dropped 360° so it's gone.
360° deep cleaning actually works very well and is probably no threat when firewall blocked. Which is why I still run the factory load version.
blackhawk said:
Accubattery can't do what Device Care does.
I use Accubattery too.
The newer versions dropped 360° so it's gone.
360° deep cleaning actually works very well and is probably no threat when firewall blocked. Which is why I still run the factory load version.
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What is 360?
Android.Addiction said:
What is 360?
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I still don't know what it actually is.
Android.Addiction said:
I still don't know what it actually is.
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It's a cleaning app Samsung use to license to use in Device Care. Unfortunately the Chinese company that owned it was data mining user data so Samsung ditched them.
So I just firewall block it... it works well otherwise.
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Accubattery can't do what Device Care does.
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What exactly does Device Care (or 360) do that Accubattery doesn't? I'm trying to decide if I want to re-enable it, and any details you provide here will help me understand a bit better to make that decision. Thanks for everything so far.
Android.Addiction said:
What exactly does Device Care (or 360) do that Accubattery doesn't? I'm trying to decide if I want to re-enable it, and any details you provide here will help me understand a bit better to make that decision. Thanks for everything so far.
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The old Device Care with 360° effectively cleans system logs files and other hidden caches.
Cleans some things SD Maid doesn't seem to touch. If you load the old version simply block it with Karma Firewall which uses almost no battery, ad free.
Battery stats are much more detailed in Device Care. It also has easy power mode settings... play with it. No harm, no foul.