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I noticed that 1 hour of display on at normal brightness (just that, no aps running, no-nothing) drains my battery of about 20%, with the default wallpaper. I'm pretty "impressed" by this, and I wonder... is it normal?
In addition, I had a feeling that was more than confirmed by a specific test that I performed. Well oddly enough to say....
With display brightness set to minimum, and just the diplay on continuously for 20 mins, I get 10% battery drain, but...
With display brightness set to 60%, and again just the diplay on continuously for 20 mins, I get only 5%, and the units' temperature also lowers a bit!!!
I also get similar results (5% drain or so) with display brightness set to 80%...
Therefore, at least for my unit, it looks like for saving battery life, I should keep the display brightness fix at 60% or even more!
I don't know why this happens but I suspect that the brightness regulator of the display drains much more power than the amount it helps to save from dimming the display!
Anyone to confirm?
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Not to be rude, but there are a few threads concerning power consumption/battery use/display . if you have a browse around, and did some reading up, you would find some of the solutions that other people are using?
also, when posting a thread like this, you should try and give as much pertinent information as possible, for example, what firmware are you running? have you rooted the phone? is it branded or unbranded?
Again, not being rude to you. Just trying to give you some pointers.
stoney73 said:
Not to be rude, but there are a few threads concerning power consumption/battery use/display . if you have a browse around, or perhaps used the search function, and did some reading up, you would find some of the solutions that other people are using?
also, when posting a thread like this, you should try and give as much pertinent information as possible, for example, what firmware are you running? have you rooted the phone? is it branded or unbranded?
Again, not being rude to you. Just trying to give you some pointers.
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Hi Stoney,
thank you but yes, actually I did make some search, but couldn't find anyone claiming that his dislay is draining more at dim than at full brightness... Maybe I was not searching in the right direction, in such case I would be pleased if you could give me some hints.
Cocerning my phone, it's unbranded and unrooted. I bought it 5 days ago, and I've updated it with Kies to the latest firmware available from Samsung:
Build is Gingerbread XWKE7
Kernel is 2.6.35.7-I9100XWKE7-CL215725
Baseband is I9100XWKE1
Did not notice any improvement, nor any degradation, in battery life after updating.
At the moment my battery is at 77%, and display is reported to have drained 68% of it, and it's reported to having been on for 1 h 15 mins.
This means that the display alone has drained 68% of 33% battery drain in 1 h 15 min, which makes approx. .68*33=22.5% of battery drain in 75 mins.
It means that, the display alone, without CPU or watever, totally drains my battery in 75*100/22.5=330 mins, or if you prefer, in 5 h 35 mins.
Well, I find this value really frustrating since aside from being miles away from my old nokia N95 8GB, I'm wondering how people can say that they get more than a full day of heavy usage out of this phone... I don't know if battery life is better or worse than other touch screen phones, because that's the first one I own, but I remember having read that Iphone 4 for instance, survives for more than 7 hours with continuous web browsing (and hence not only with the display on, but also with many other tasks running)...
JuniorGG said:
Hi Stoney,
thank you but yes, actually I did make some search, but couldn't find anyone claiming that his dislay is draining more at dim than at full brightness... Maybe I was not searching in the right direction, in such case I would be pleased if you could give me some hints.
Cocerning my phone, it's unbranded and unrooted. I bought it 5 days ago, and I've updated it with Kies to the latest firmware available from Samsung:
Build is Gingerbread XWKE7
Kernel is 2.6.35.7-I9100XWKE7-CL215725
Baseband is I9100XWKE1
Did not notice any improvement, nor any degradation, in battery life after updating.
At the moment my battery is at 77%, and display is reported to have drained 68% of it, and it's reported to having been on for 1 h 15 mins.
This means that the display alone has drained 68% of 33% battery drain in 1 h 15 min, which makes approx. .68*33=22.5% of battery drain in 75 mins.
It means that, the display alone, without CPU or watever, totally drains my battery in 75*100/22.5=330 mins, or if you prefer, in 5 h 35 mins.
Well, I find this value really frustrating since aside from being miles away from my old nokia N95 8GB, I'm wondering how people can say that they get more than a full day of heavy usage out of this phone... I don't know if battery life is better or worse than other touch screen phones, because that's the first one I own, but I remember having read that Iphone 4 for instance, survives for more than 7 hours with continuous web browsing (and hence not only with the display on, but also with many other tasks running)...
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I can imagine it is quite frustrating, seeing people post that their phone is lasting a full day+(mine does) and yours isnt.
So what steps have you taken?
before updating to KE7, did you (backup your apps/anything on internal memory you want to save) and then wipe the cache, and factory reset(from the privacy settings on the phone)?
Do you use the samsung hubs/'AP app,etc? If not, have you tried freezing/deleting them?(I froze mine on the basis of you never know when/if you want to use them at some point)
These are the two things I did immediately after updating to KE7 and finding out it was draining the battery, after I performed those two steps, things went back to normal for me.
I dont tend to hammer the phone(now anyway), but on an ave day, I spend around 30-45 mins chat, 15-30 texts, 30-45 mins gaming, 2 email on push sync, fb/twitter updates, xda app. I dont tend to watch video much on it(I have a tab for that, a very much underused tab since I got the S2).
I usually have 20-30% battery come bedtime. I have the display on auto, timeout on 2 mins.
JuniorGG said:
This means that the display alone has drained 68% of 33% battery drain in 1 h 15 min, which makes approx. .68*33=22.5% of battery drain in 75 mins.
It means that, the display alone, without CPU or watever, totally drains my battery in 75*100/22.5=330 mins, or if you prefer, in 5 h 35 mins.
Well, I find this value really frustrating since aside from being miles away from my old nokia N95 8GB, I'm wondering how people can say that they get more than a full day of heavy usage out of this phone... I don't know if battery life is better or worse than other touch screen phones, because that's the first one I own, but I remember having read that Iphone 4 for instance, survives for more than 7 hours with continuous web browsing (and hence not only with the display on, but also with many other tasks running)...
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You have to take two things into account:
1) Your N95 had a MUCH smaller display, with another screen technologie and fewer pixels, as well as a much slower chipset and no touchscreen.
2) The Iphone too has a smaller display, with backlighting, which drains less battery and has as well a less powerful SOC.
That a 4.3 inch display would drain the battery fast, shouldn't surprise anyone imo. Compared to the Iphone it's a ~20% difference in screensize. Since the displays drains most of the battery, it shouldn't surprise anyone that the Iphone lasts longer ...
Stoney, sorry but if you tell me to stop/freeze processes, you haven't understood my post. I repeat that the problem with my phone is the display that drains about 1Watt only for being on, no matter the brightness (actually, at high brignthess it drains LESS). This has nothing to do with processes. When the display of my phone is off, the battery lasts ages. For instance, this evening I went jogging for one hour with Sports Tracker (on GPS) and the music player always on, but the display off. The battery just dropped about 10%, which is perfectly normal. If instead I dare to turn on the display, I can actually see the battery draining and the phone becoming warm.
II would be useful if you could do a small check for me: after full charging the battery, leave the screen on for a while with about 50% brightness and the home screen. After 2 or 3 hours, could you please report to me the screen % usage, and the corresponding net "on" time? Only this can be a proof that my unit is faulty, and the display is draining much more power than normal.
Chalid, for sure this display is bigger than that of the iPhone and even bigger than that of the N95. But does this justify a cosumption of more than 1 W (since it drains the full 7Wh battery in just 5.5 hours)? Well, in my opinion, by no means! And besides, where the AMOLED displays said to require less power than LCDs, or were they not?
IMHO a display draining more than 1 W is a killer on any mobile phone! (again: UNLESS mine is faulty for some reason)
JuniorGG said:
Hi Stoney,
thank you but yes, actually I did make some search, but couldn't find anyone claiming that his dislay is draining more at dim than at full brightness... Maybe I was not searching in the right direction, in such case I would be pleased if you could give me some hints.
Cocerning my phone, it's unbranded and unrooted. I bought it 5 days ago, and I've updated it with Kies to the latest firmware available from Samsung:
Build is Gingerbread XWKE7
Kernel is 2.6.35.7-I9100XWKE7-CL215725
Baseband is I9100XWKE1
Did not notice any improvement, nor any degradation, in battery life after updating.
At the moment my battery is at 77%, and display is reported to have drained 68% of it, and it's reported to having been on for 1 h 15 mins.
This means that the display alone has drained 68% of 33% battery drain in 1 h 15 min, which makes approx. .68*33=22.5% of battery drain in 75 mins.
It means that, the display alone, without CPU or watever, totally drains my battery in 75*100/22.5=330 mins, or if you prefer, in 5 h 35 mins.
Well, I find this value really frustrating since aside from being miles away from my old nokia N95 8GB, I'm wondering how people can say that they get more than a full day of heavy usage out of this phone... I don't know if battery life is better or worse than other touch screen phones, because that's the first one I own, but I remember having read that Iphone 4 for instance, survives for more than 7 hours with continuous web browsing (and hence not only with the display on, but also with many other tasks running)...
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*cough* 100% - 77% = 23% = 15.64% in 75min is quite good to be honest.
480mins which is 8hours straight display on time....very good if u ask me.
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1 hour 8mins with my display on today has used 17.98% of my total battery with brightness at auto
My screen eats also alot of the battary.
Like 4-5 hours and thats all and on minimum brightness.
I try to set it on 60 percent also and ofc autobrightness disabled.
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is it true that the phone uses less battery when you select a brightness of 60%+ or auto? cause I use 15% all the time.
i have the same problem,never under 45%.
ke2!
guigs91 said:
i have the same problem,never under 45%.
ke2!
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Screen is a drainer. I NEVER use auto brightness ... I set it to 0~20 when inside and only higher when outside in sunny conditions.
JuniorGG said:
Stoney, sorry but if you tell me to stop/freeze processes, you haven't understood my post. I repeat that the problem with my phone is the display that drains about 1Watt only for being on, no matter the brightness (actually, at high brignthess it drains LESS). This has nothing to do with processes. When the display of my phone is off, the battery lasts ages. For instance, this evening I went jogging for one hour with Sports Tracker (on GPS) and the music player always on, but the display off. The battery just dropped about 10%, which is perfectly normal. If instead I dare to turn on the display, I can actually see the battery draining and the phone becoming warm.
II would be useful if you could do a small check for me: after full charging the battery, leave the screen on for a while with about 50% brightness and the home screen. After 2 or 3 hours, could you please report to me the screen % usage, and the corresponding net "on" time? Only this can be a proof that my unit is faulty, and the display is draining much more power than normal.
Chalid, for sure this display is bigger than that of the iPhone and even bigger than that of the N95. But does this justify a cosumption of more than 1 W (since it drains the full 7Wh battery in just 5.5 hours)? Well, in my opinion, by no means! And besides, where the AMOLED displays said to require less power than LCDs, or were they not?
IMHO a display draining more than 1 W is a killer on any mobile phone! (again: UNLESS mine is faulty for some reason)
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amoled screens were quoted to consumers as using less power. but the tests i've done, i contend that amoled uses far more power than the SLCD screens HTC is using for example. like significantly more. so the screen is a killer for sure on your device, dont get fooled.
JuniorGG said:
Chalid, for sure this display is bigger than that of the iPhone and even bigger than that of the N95. But does this justify a cosumption of more than 1 W (since it drains the full 7Wh battery in just 5.5 hours)? Well, in my opinion, by no means! And besides, where the AMOLED displays said to require less power than LCDs, or were they not?
IMHO a display draining more than 1 W is a killer on any mobile phone! (again: UNLESS mine is faulty for some reason)
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Like Locster126 pointed out, it's only 15.64% for your 75 minutes of usage. The battery has 6,11Wh, which makes a power consumption of approx. 0,76W. But you must not forget, that the AMOLED display drain is highly dependent on the content you're displaying. Thats the difference to the LCD. While the LCDs backlight is mostly responsible for the drain, the AMOLEDs individual pixels drain the battery, which means that light-colored content drains more battery - more than on the LCD, while dark-colored content doesn't.
Nothing wrong with your screen.
EDIT: I will test the power consumption of the HD2s screen later ..
Mittaa said:
Screen is a drainer. I NEVER use auto brightness ... I set it to 0~20 when inside and only higher when outside in sunny conditions.
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i try everything(auto,or not) but don't work,sorry for my english
chalid said:
Like Locster126 pointed out, it's only 15.64% for your 75 minutes of usage. The battery has 6,11Wh, which makes a power consumption of approx. 0,76W.
EDIT: I will test the power consumption of the HD2s screen later ..
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Just finished the testing. After loading the HTC HD2 to 100% in flight-mode, I unplugged it and let the screen continuously on at full brightness for 30 minutes. The battery went down to 92%. So 8% for half an hour. That means, the screens power consumption at full brightness is ~0,73W (battery capacity is 4,55Wh).
So definitely lower than your SAMOLED power consumption ... but so is the display quality ...
Locster126 said:
*cough* 100% - 77% = 23% = 15.64% in 75min is quite good to be honest.
480mins which is 8hours straight display on time....very good if u ask me.
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Oops! You're right!
Well ok, 8 hours so....
And considering that the battery has a capacity of 6.2Wh, the display actually drains 0.78W, at normal brightness (auto brightness was set to on and I was indoor, daytime).
In any case, that's not totally fair because it doesn't consider all the rest that's draining power from the battery. Considering my "normal" usage of the device, I get about 60% display ratio after a full battery discharge (to be optimistic).
This means that I have .6*8= 4.8 hours of "normal" usage to spread across the day.
I don't play 3D games and use WiFi just for syncing the emails and podcasts (10 minutes to say the most). I also don't use Bluetooth. I keep the GPS on all the time but turn on packet data strictly when necessary, and make just 5 minutes of calls and send 5 SMS... In substance, I use the device like a normal 150 euros phone.
This is my first touch screen device (as I said,I come from a Nokia N95 8GB), therefore I would like to understand if 4.8 hours continuous normal usage of the phone from fully charged to "mayday, shutting off!" can be considered normal.
I don't uderstand how some people can say they get one full day heavy usage on it, or 2 full days normal usage, playing 3D games, continuously syncing accounts, watching videos, surfing the internet, etc!!!!
My replies (thank you all) ->
to (•.•) (nice your nickname! ):
not far from mine. Tell me if you get some improvement at 60%. I will also repeat the test on mine, trying to be more systematic as possible, since I really want to be sure of what I have seen.
to seaweeduk:
please be more clear. Just the display or the entire unit? In any case that seems to be a much smaller consumption than that of my display...
to guigs91:
you mean you also noticed this odd behaviour?
to Mittaa:
right, but before setting brightness to a low level I want to be sure that it actually drains less power, and that's how I figured out that actually it's the other way around (I hope I made something wrong, as said I'll re-check better).
to RogerPodacter:
sadly, I perfectly agree with you.
to chalid:
thank you for reassuring me. To be honest however I'm not totally sure that black pictures drain significantly less power than white ones. I feel more that it's simply the bias current of the display, to drain a lot, and the rest is not so important. In fact, if you look at a 100% black picture totally in the dark, you'll see that it's not fully black. I's ALMOST fully black (much more than LCDs), but you can actually notice that the display is on (and therefore it is powered). If you shut off the display, you'll notice the diference.
to guigs91:
I also tried everything without success. Apart from noticing that perhaps high display brightness helps a little!
Did I forget someone? Ah yes, tommehh :
this is what I noticed. Let me re-check 'cause I find hard to believe myself!
JuniorGG said:
I don't uderstand how some people can say they get one full day heavy usage on it, or 2 full days normal usage, playing 3D games, continuously syncing accounts, watching videos, surfing the internet, etc!!!!
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Well, you don't have the screen on for 5 hours continuously when using the phone, do you?
Here are my batterys stats:
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Display: 2h 12m = 20%
Phone calls: 28m 24s = 9%
That's absolutely okay in my opinion. But like I said: If you want 1 week usage off one charge, you need to get a phone with a smaller display, because all of those 3.5+ inch touchscreens drain the battery pretty fast.
I'm kinda skeptical they are truly 2800mah with the same form factor....
No reviews....
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B006SK5L2I
Ive been using them. Got the 2x battery + charger version. They ard quite good in fact. Beats buying the original for same price of 2 batteries
ckang008 said:
Ive been using them. Got the 2x battery + charger version. They ard quite good in fact. Beats buying the original for same price of 2 batteries
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Do you notice the difference in the 2? Like does the qcell with 300mah more make a difference?
I have one; started using it yesterday. Haven't used it enough to notice a difference, but personally I doubt there is one. If it was so easy to fit 300mah (>10%!) extra capacity into a battery, why wouldn't Samsung have done it in the first place? Surely a 2800mah battery would be a better selling point than 2500mah.
I miss that battery testing web site where the guy stress-tested all the aftermarket batteries and showed how basically all of them were massively over-rated.
I have two OEM batteries (got one as part of the awesome Samsung portable battery charger) and I figured for $15 or so the Q-cell was worth trying. One of these days I'll do a run-down test and see if there's a difference. If there is, I'll buy 10 of them and then report back here how great they are.
I *love* this product:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...03&q_manufacturer=samsung&q_model=prod5530247
It doesn't charge the phone, but you can toss it in a bag, swap batteries mid-day and have enough juice to get through a long evening of speed tests and server management while out on the town.
I've never had a phone die on me mid day.
I've never had hypothermia. Doesn't mean I don't carry a jacket when it's cold out.
My point is that for me, by mid-day my Note is often in the 30-40% range, and if I want to comfortably go for 8-10 more hours it's nice to have a fresh battery so you don't have to think twice about it. It's one thing to be at 5% and getting critical battery warnings at 10pm when you're home on the sofa. It's another to be getting 5% battery warnings when you're out somewhere far from a charger and need to use the phone.
hausman said:
I've never had hypothermia. Doesn't mean I don't carry a jacket when it's cold out.
My point is that for me, by mid-day my Note is often in the 30-40% range, and if I want to comfortably go for 8-10 more hours it's nice to have a fresh battery so you don't have to think twice about it. It's one thing to be at 5% and getting critical battery warnings at 10pm when you're home on the sofa. It's another to be getting 5% battery warnings when you're out somewhere far from a charger and need to use the phone.
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Mid day its that low? I go through my whole day and by the time I go to bed at 12 its at 40-60%.
Yes. I have 3 email accounts - 1 exchange and 2 IMAP (even though I set the intervals for IMAP to 1 and 2 hours), and I use the phone as a desktop replacement for answering emails, server management, and various other web-intensive functions. I lose 10-20% per hour while in use. Screen on auto brightness. Bluetooth is always on because I use a headset or a car link for voice calls, though I don't make a lot of voice calls. If I did my battery would be dead by noon every day. On voice calls my battery graph drops precipitously.
I am in a fringe LTE area, which I suspect doesn't help. Sometimes I get 1-2 bars of LTE, and most of the time I get 4 bars of non-LTE. Searching for signal and switching back and forth is probably not good for battery. Either that it's the time that it's on LTE that kills it. So I'm resigned to either swapping batteries mid-day or leaving the phone on a charger at various times throughout the day.
Back to the Q-cell battery, tomorrow I will use my other phone for the day and try to run a couple of video loop tests with the Q-cell battery and the OEM battery and see how long each lasts.
Thanks looking forward to the results.
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Back to the Q-cell battery, tomorrow I will use my other phone for the day and try to run a couple of video loop tests with the Q-cell battery and the OEM battery and see how long each lasts.
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Yes please do the test, that would be awesome.
Planning on it...Monday is looking good as ill have some uninterrupted time where the Note can sit on my desk playing movies. I want to run them down as quickly as possible, so I'm planning to turn wifi on, brightness full, fullscreen movie mode. I don't know if running maps in the background or maybe GPS status would help too. Open to suggestions.
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Planning on it...Monday is looking good as ill have some uninterrupted time where the Note can sit on my desk playing movies. I want to run them down as quickly as possible, so I'm planning to turn wifi on, brightness full, fullscreen movie mode. I don't know if running maps in the background or maybe GPS status would help too. Open to suggestions.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note
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Maybe try this widget?
https://market.android.com/details?id=ccc71.bmw&hl=en
hausman said:
Planning on it...Monday is looking good as ill have some uninterrupted time where the Note can sit on my desk playing movies. I want to run them down as quickly as possible, so I'm planning to turn wifi on, brightness full, fullscreen movie mode. I don't know if running maps in the background or maybe GPS status would help too. Open to suggestions.
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Don't they make apps that will drain the battery in a consistent way for comparison?
Actually here are some:
https://market.android.com/search?q=battery+benchmark&c=apps
Thanks...I'll look into those but I figure full brightness video is fine too.
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Test 1 is currently running. Fully charged Qcell 2800, started at 6:45am; as of approx. 9am (2h 12m of full screen video with GPS status running in the background) battery was 65%. I have the phone in flight mode to remove network connectivity/signal strength as a variable. Full results will be in tonight.
Well this isn't even close. I'm half tempted not to bother finishing the test. On test #2, OEM battery, after 2h 12m of video the OEM battery is at 78%. 78% vs 65%....that is HUGE. The OEM is winning by a mile. But for kicks I'll finish the test and post all the results/graphs.
"2800mAh" battery is more like 1600mAh
The results are much worse than I expected. And I notice that Amazon isn't even selling these batteries anymore, so that's something to take note of. I would imagine the data below would look familiar for any aftermarket battery sold at a cheap price (and possibly some sold for a not-cheap price).
Each battery was charged to 100% to start. I used the Samsung video player on full brightness (using the video player setting, not just the Android setting since the video player setting overrides the system). I played 3 movies on the Note during the rundown tests, in the same order. Mostly the Note sat on a corner of my desk playing with volume off; occasionally I stopped it to take a measurement or screenshot.
The "2800" battery lasted 5h 32m to 1% charge. Discharge rate was fairly linear, though it did accelerate a bit starting at about 25%. After movie 1 (2h 12m) it was at 65%, after movie 2 (4h 15m cumulative) it was 30%, and did not make it through movie #3.
The OEM battery lasted 9h 35m to 1% charge. Discharge rate was also linear and remained essentially the same from 100 to 0. After movie 1 (2h 12m) it was 78%, after movie 2 (4h 15m) it was 57%, after movie 3 (6h cumulative) it was 36% (the "2800" battery died during movie 3), and after movie 3 I went back and played movie 1 again (in full) and then started movie 1 AGAIN and got another ~90 minutes into it.
The difference is ridiculous. Since the "2800" battery was only $14, price per mAh is actually better than the OEM battery which is more than twice as expensive, but this thing is more like 1600mAh than 2800mAh. This isn't surprising to me, but it is good to quantify how terrible these knockoff batteries are. If I'd paid $20 or more for it I'd be angry, but given how cheap it was I'll toss it in the drawer and know I have a cheap 5-hour battery in addition to my two OEM batteries.
Since the "2800" battery has only had a couple of charge cycles, I will try to run the test again in a few days and see if more charge/discharge cycles make a difference. My OEM batteries haven't had many more, though, since I have two and I've been swapping between them on alternate days. I don't expect to gain 1200mAh.
Notice something else. When I rebooted for the 2nd test, bluetooth turned itself back on despite the Note staying in flight mode. I didn't notice that during the test, but that means that the OEM battery was actually under more load than the "2800" battery for the 9+ hour run.
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Buy Samsung batteries.
Damn.
I have been hearing that the Hyperion ones are good, though. The pricing seems to be about the same as the QCell. I guess I'll find out--they should be arriving today.
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Damn.
I have been hearing that the Hyperion ones are good, though. The pricing seems to be about the same as the QCell. I guess I'll find out--they should be arriving today.
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So after using them for a few days, they actually seem pretty good.
I don't think I have the patience that Hausman (I actually want to call him 'haus) to do a more technical burn analysis (thanks 'Haus). Plus, I'm lazy. However, I've been using them instead of the Samsung OEM battery for the past few days and they seem to be transparent enough that I don't notice that a different battery is being used.
For $30 on Amazon, I'd tap that.
Hey, so I've seen several people claiming fantastic battery life, etc. So, I am just wondering what's your experience in general. If you've got some free time and feel like typing, can you list several things like:
roms & kernel
stock/anker battery
battery life
screen time (and possibly voice call time or whatever else that seems to consume lots of the battery life)
highest battery temperature (I recently got pretty high so I was kind of worried)
and anything else you think might worth sharing (favorite actress? :silly
As for me, I recently installed Speed ROM 6.5 with stock kernel on stock battery
I only got 8 hours battery life to get to 14% with 3 hours of screen time (mostly used for game, browsing, and flipboard)
I got up to 100F (~40.5C) after playing a game for about 15-20 mins which made me leave it for a few mins to cool down. The next time I played the game again, it got up to 109F (~43.5C) after playing for 20-30 mins....
I am wondering whether that kind of high temperature is normal or not, and whether my battery life seems ok or bad; which is why I am hoping people can share their experience here. I haven't try using faux kernel though (might try it tomorrow in hope for a better batter life)....
So, again... if anyone got free time and feel like typing, please share it with me :angel:
From my g2 to this phone all I ever see is how bad the battery is. Never noticed a difference switching roms and battery across all smartphones I've used is allot what I expect.
Some people just can't be happy you know. Not to mention people never agree on anything (me included ).
Just my two cents
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Spastic909 said:
From my g2 to this phone all I ever see is how bad the battery is. Never noticed a difference switching roms and battery across all smartphones I've used is allot what I expect.
Some people just can't be happy you know. Not to mention people never agree on anything (me included ).
Just my two cents
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Well, first off, I am not trying to complain about the phone here. All I am asking/trying to find out is whether my experience is "normal" or not for Amaze.
I also come from G2 and obviously the battery life will be worse on the Amaze in general. This phone is 1.5ghz dual core and 4.3" display compared to 800mhz single core and 3.7" display on g2 with only extra ~300mah on the amaze.
I just want to know if my experience of getting only 8 hours battery life (with 3 hours of screen time consist of game and browsing) and getting a high temperature of 109F on the battery is considered "normal" or not for this particular phone. I only have one phone here; so, I don't know if my unit is bad unit or if it is normal for the Amaze.
So again, by all means, I am not trying to complain about this amazing phone here. I am just trying to find out if this is what normally happen with this phone.
And yeah I'm one of those guys that can never be happy :silly:. When I used G2, I want larger phone and faster performance. When I got Amaze, I want slightly larger screen and much better battery performance. So, yeah I can never be happy with my phone :laugh:
The temperature thing is definately normal, it can get pretty high. I've had it go above 109f while on video chats on Skype. As for thebattery, that's normal too its just dependent on the user. U may have something that's running continuously in the background that your not aware of that's causing drainage. Many things that could be effecting the battery really
sent from my NRGized Amaze,
powered by faux kernel v.16
My battery temperature is over 9000!
sorry someone had to say it
@OP, most likely you either have a bad battery, or your phone isn't sleeping properly on idle, or your phone has some problems with the RUU
Code:
Battery is ~1900mAh. If you use it for 3 hours active at around 400mAh, that is 1200mAh
700mAh left for idling the rest of the 5 hours. My idle current usage is around 9-40mAh as reported by Battery Monitor Widget(go to settings, change monitoring mAh to HTC Sensation to get a better reading)
700/5 = 120mAh/hour.... this means your phone isn't sleeping properly
Get CPU Spy... install it, then put your phone down for an hour without using it.... after that, does the report show that it goes to deep sleep?
When I got my phone and flashed the ENERGY rom, I had ~8 hours of total uptime (1-2 hours of usage)... i reflashed the RUU (do it on 100% battery), then it is better now
Now, on the Energy STOCK ICS rom with FAUX latest(0.12?)
Anker battery
15 hours of uptime
1-2 hours of screen-on time(roughly 2-3 hours of phone "awake" time)
don't remember battery temps, but i don't ever remember ti being that high
interactive governor, max frequency 1.4 ghz(to maximize battery life)
data on, autosync on, 2 gmail accounts synced only
My 100%->80% battery drains in 90 minutes, but after that, it slows down
I added the following to build.prop to tweak more battery life
Code:
# Power Save Tweaks
ro.ril.disable.power.collapse=0
pm.sleep_mode=1
If you really want to stretch out the battery, change the governor to powersave(forces processor to 192mhz always), but it definitely lags and I wouldn't recommend it unless you really really need to max battery life
EDIT: Go to Settings->power->see what is using my battery, post a screenshot (this one is 16 hours plus ~2 hours usage)
see the part that says "awake", and the part that says "screen on"? It should be correlate mostly -> when you use your phone's screen, the phone is awake.... when you turn off the screen, the device should be sleeping and not be awake
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The temperature thing is definately normal, it can get pretty high. I've had it go above 109f while on video chats on Skype. As for thebattery, that's normal too its just dependent on the user. U may have something that's running continuously in the background that your not aware of that's causing drainage. Many things that could be effecting the battery really
sent from my NRGized Amaze,
powered by faux kernel v.16
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I guess this phone is just that "hot" eh....
So, you're saying that I should be able to get a better battery life than that?
By the way, did you use Juice Defender or anything like that? Or did you just let your mobile network and wifi on all the time?
`Ghost` said:
My battery temperature is over 9000!
sorry someone had to say it
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It hasn't exploded yet?!?! You can use your battery to heat up your room in winter :silly:
paperWastage said:
@OP, most likely you either have a bad battery, or your phone isn't sleeping properly on idle, or your phone has some problems with the RUU
Code:
Battery is ~1900mAh. If you use it for 3 hours active at around 400mAh, that is 1200mAh
700mAh left for idling the rest of the 5 hours. My idle current usage is around 9-40mAh as reported by Battery Monitor Widget(go to settings, change monitoring mAh to HTC Sensation to get a better reading)
700/5 = 120mAh/hour.... this means your phone isn't sleeping properly
Get CPU Spy... install it, then put your phone down for an hour without using it.... after that, does the report show that it goes to deep sleep?
When I got my phone and flashed the ENERGY rom, I had ~8 hours of total uptime (1-2 hours of usage)... i reflashed the RUU (do it on 100% battery), then it is better now
Now, on the Energy STOCK ICS rom with FAUX latest(0.12?)
Anker battery
15 hours of uptime
1-2 hours of screen-on time(roughly 2-3 hours of phone "awake" time)
don't remember battery temps, but i don't ever remember ti being that high
interactive governor, max frequency 1.4 ghz(to maximize battery life)
data on, autosync on, 2 gmail accounts synced only
My 100%->80% battery drains in 90 minutes, but after that, it slows down
I added the following to build.prop to tweak more battery life
Code:
# Power Save Tweaks
ro.ril.disable.power.collapse=0
pm.sleep_mode=1
If you really want to stretch out the battery, change the governor to powersave(forces processor to 192mhz always), but it definitely lags and I wouldn't recommend it unless you really really need to max battery life
EDIT: Go to Settings->power->see what is using my battery, post a screenshot (this one is 16 hours plus ~2 hours usage)
see the part that says "awake", and the part that says "screen on"? It should be correlate mostly -> when you use your phone's screen, the phone is awake.... when you turn off the screen, the device should be sleeping and not be awake
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Hmm... I would try to check the stuff that you said. I did see the battery use like you did and I have much more awake (since I used it for games and browsing continuosly). But, when I was not using it, it doesn't show that many "awake" status which is why I thought that Amaze battery performance is just that poor. I forgot to try third party app like battery current widget or cpu spy. I will check those out.
Did you use Juice defender or anything like that? Or, did you just set them manually when you need it?
And I did leave my WiFi and auto sync on.... From your usage, I'd assume you turn off your WiFi when you're not using it, right?
Thanks for the input
Edit: So, I am guessing there's a rogue app on my phone? I just reboot my phone, leave it for a minute, and battery current widget shows 200mA on my notification bar
From what I'm reading your a heavy user. Like me lol. The most I get is 6-8 hrs. With 1.5-2 hrs screen on time. Comparing that with others who get double digits It's nothing but I'm a heavy user. I stream Pandora daily surf the internet for 1 hr non stop, xda for most of the time. . And on weekends I'll have most 4 hrs. But 3.5 of those screen on with data streaming and screen on with out going off. Kinda like watching a netflix movie on mobile network. I use my phone like if it is my laptop now. I rarely use my laptop. I don't have internet nor WiFi to connect to. But if I tether I would run out of data faster so I avoid it. Besides battery draining faster.
I think there is a difference between:
1. leaving the screen on for a while, causing the phone and battery to get hot. Specially when gaming because CPU is constantly running.
2. And total screen on time accumulated of 2-4 hrs screen on. Which is achieved when sporadically checking phone for text, calls, email, quick surfing. Then shutting of screen through out the day.CPU goes to deep sleep phone stays cool.
Now that's what I call a heavy user.
Remember when phone is hot battery drains faster so you need to find a way to cool it down. Sometimes there are settings in cpu apps that when phone reaches certain temperature that app will force cpu clock down a lot as to use less power to start cooling down but causing lag.
I've got a 4 month old stock battery with latest faux kernel v.16 with battery saving tweaks on it. Energy rom stock 8-1. If there is anybody that reaches double digits with 6-7 hours 4g mobile streaming not wifi at all. 2 hrs without turning the screen off not 2 total hours. Please say I? I'd really like to know your secret.
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Hmm... I would try to check the stuff that you said. I did see the battery use like you did and I have much more awake (since I used it for games and browsing continuosly). But, when I was not using it, it doesn't show that many "awake" status which is why I thought that Amaze battery performance is just that poor. I forgot to try third party app like battery current widget or cpu spy. I will check those out.
Did you use Juice defender or anything like that? Or, did you just set them manually when you need it?
And I did leave my WiFi and auto sync on.... From your usage, I'd assume you turn off your WiFi when you're not using it, right?
Thanks for the input
Edit: So, I am guessing there's a rogue app on my phone? I just reboot my phone, leave it for a minute, and battery current widget shows 200mA on my notification bar
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Battery Current Widget... go to the options (top right), change the current selection(should be first row, then middle row) to "HTC Sensation" (it'll be more accurate)
that program doesn't accurately report mA if you don't change it(before changing, it'll be screen-off deep sleep 100mAh, but after switching, 10-40mAh)
I don't have Juice Defender on... autosync and data is on all the time
try w/o wifi on... i think wifi should take less battery power than data, but it always depends
on my screenshot, if you go back one and click on the screen-on... what does it say?
what does CPU Spy say about your phone going to deep sleep?
fcpelayo said:
From what I'm reading your a heavy user. Like me lol. The most I get is 6-8 hrs. With 1.5-2 hrs screen on time. Comparing that with others who get double digits It's nothing but I'm a heavy user. I stream Pandora daily surf the internet for 1 hr non stop, xda for most of the time. . And on weekends I'll have most 4 hrs. But 3.5 of those screen on with data streaming and screen on with out going off. Kinda like watching a netflix movie on mobile network. I use my phone like if it is my laptop now. I rarely use my laptop. I don't have internet nor WiFi to connect to. But if I tether I would run out of data faster so I avoid it. Besides battery draining faster.
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Maybe you should try to mod the Atrix Lapdock... if it works, you get a larger screen and a 35W battery
I've got a 4 month old stock battery with latest faux kernel v.16 with battery saving tweaks on it. Energy rom stock 8-1. If there is anybody that reaches double digits with 6-7 hours 4g mobile streaming not wifi at all. 2 hrs without turning the screen off not 2 total hours. Please say I? I'd really like to know your secret.
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if you are only getting 8 hours uptime with 1-2 hours of usage, then your phone's not going to sleep properly... I'd reflash the RUU, then flash Energy ROM and faux kernel... i had that problem before I reflashed RUU (but that was before I knew more about CPU states and mAh usage on this phone, so I don't know if it was a problem with the deep sleep, or the phone not properly updated to ICS when I got it from someone else)
you want to try to max battery life? I can give you hints to hit that mark... it's all about physics/electronics
your battery is 1900mAh.... Using Battery Monitor Widget(with the Settings changed to detect the phone as "HTC Sensation", see above)
With the tweaks in my first post of the build.prop, BMW shows my idle around 10-40mAh..... 10 hours of idle = 100-400mAh. Note, this is with sync and data on... if you use Juice Defender or data off, probably less
So, idle, you use up 400mAh... you have 1500mAh left
1500mAh / 6 hours = 250mAh each hour.... with BWM, it shows that the current usage goes between 100-500mAh depending on how much screen brightness, data used, processor speed... If i choose powersave, I think it goes between 50-300mAh, but its really laggy, noticeable
300mAh * 6 hours = 1800... close enough
to avoid the 100%->90% fast drain, employ bump charging:
either
1) charge your phone to 100%. remove plug, wait for it to drop to 90%. replug it, charge to 100%... repeat for 5-10 times
2) charge your phone to 100%. remove plug, shutdown. Replug it, wait till the light goes green, boot up, charge to 100%, remove plug and shutdown, replug it , wait till light goes green etc.... do the cycle for 5-10 times
I was trying to see how much I could get out of my phone. I used my phone as little as I could, putting it into airplane mode when I slept.
ROM and Kernel: I was using the latest build of Energy and Faux Kernel v.15 at the time of the picture
Using stock battery, unfortunately I do not know what the highest battery temperature is.
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idaggerpwn said:
I was trying to see how much I could get out of my phone. I used my phone as little as I could, putting it into airplane mode when I slept.
ROM and Kernel: I was using the latest build of Energy and Faux Kernel v.15 at the time of the picture
Using stock battery, unfortunately I do not know what the highest battery temperature is.
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unfortunately, for this device, the screen brightness and dual-cpu takes up a lot of power... if you see the pic below, when you use your phone(screen-on/awake), the battery % left has a sharp drop
I know for my old phone, LG Optimus T, I didn't have a data plan... the phone had data off all the time, and I got days out of using it(phone calls, wifi/browsing, checking gmaps offline)... once I enabled a data plan, it got half (like 1.5 days instead of 4)
if you calculate your usage... its possible
24 hours * 50mAh during idle = 1200 mAh
2 hours * 300mAh/hour during screen-on usage = 600mAh
total = 1800mAh, the capacity of your battery
paperWastage said:
to avoid the 100%->90% fast drain, employ bump charging:
either
1) charge your phone to 100%. remove plug, wait for it to drop to 90%. replug it, charge to 100%... repeat for 5-10 times
2) charge your phone to 100%. remove plug, shutdown. Replug it, wait till the light goes green, boot up, charge to 100%, remove plug and shutdown, replug it , wait till light goes green etc.... do the cycle for 5-10 times
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So if I use either of those 2 methods above, is my battery 'cured" of the 100% to 90% fast drain? Or do I have to keep doing it over a period of time?
icepixie said:
So if I use either of those 2 methods above, is my battery 'cured" of the 100% to 90% fast drain? Or do I have to keep doing it over a period of time?
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bump charging only helps you for that one time... you have to do this every time if you want max battery capacity
the problem is 2 things
1) the hardware/software is configured to maximize battery lifespan, meaning to slowly charge it and not go to 100% (high voltage, damages battery)...
2) the hardware/software is poorly coded, can't read the battery voltage properly...
either way, doing this means you are forcing current into the battery every time... your battery will hold less charge in a few months if you force it to full everytime... so you have to get a new battery aftera couple of months or live with lower capacity
I will just try to observe it better tomorrow using all those apps. With much less usage (1.5 hrs of screen time), i only got 11hrs of battery life. The screenshot below is for those 1.5hrs f screen time... I dont use jd and got email sync every 1 or 2 hr though....
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using xda app-developers app
I tested the idle-deep sleep capacity of the phone...
got 21 hours idle, 17 minutes screen-on (minimal use of phone) with 50% left
here is my phone with data and auto-sync ON, I got roughly 10 emails(all received during different times), had about 10 minutes of phone calls
NOTE: around the first part of the graph, you see the %-left spike up... I rebooted my phone then... and you can see that the battery-monitoring software/hardware part recalibrates itself to the real value
NOTE: cell standby-time of 21 hours used more battery than screen-on of 17 minutes.
When I used the phone for another 15 minutes, screen used 35% of battery while cellular standby dropped to 22%
tl;dr, using the phone, especially the screen, kills the battery a lot more... not using the phone = lasts a long time
paperWastage said:
I tested the idle-deep sleep capacity of the phone...
got 21 hours idle, 17 minutes screen-on (minimal use of phone) with 50% left
here is my phone with data and auto-sync ON, I got roughly 10 emails(all received during different times), had about 10 minutes of phone calls
NOTE: around the first part of the graph, you see the %-left spike up... I rebooted my phone then... and you can see that the battery-monitoring software/hardware part recalibrates itself to the real value
NOTE: cell standby-time of 21 hours used more battery than screen-on of 17 minutes.
When I used the phone for another 15 minutes, screen used 35% of battery while cellular standby dropped to 22%
tl;dr, using the phone, especially the screen, kills the battery a lot more... not using the phone = lasts a long time
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I guess after using all those apps that you mention, I can kind of see that Amaze battery is just way worse than my G2. I was pampered with my G2 battery life for a week and now I realized how bad Amaze battery is. lol
I got 11% left after 12h 15min. That's about 1550mA used (I use stock battery).
almost 3 hours of screen time (3*350) = about 1050mA
25 mins of phone call = ~120 mA
about 8h 45 mins of idle = 360mA
So, yeah, it summed up about right this time (more accurate compared to my first result where I think I got a rogue app)...
**I am eagerly patiently excitedly waiting for a fully working stable CM9 by sport :angel: **
On a side note, just wondering if anyone know if galaxy s2 have better, worse, or about same battery life? I am just curious since s2 is supposed to be amaze rival at t-mob....
Here's mine
Rom: Fourth Bar Jellybean Fusion
Kernel: Faux's Kernel, latest edition [August 15th]
Average Temp: high 90's
Average Battery Life: 5-6 hours.
Realize that what you do with screen on makes a significant difference- If I play organ trail(awesome zombie game styled after old school oregon trail game) I can play for a long time with little battery drain.. but it is a 2d game, and not going to be very processor intensive. If I play final fantasy 3, a 3d game, wow.. battery will drain much quicker, but then again, it IS a 3d game, and processor intensive. So HOW you use your phone is even more important than the screen on time.
With the latest faux(17) kernel, and 2-3 hours of screen on, the last few days I have 45% battery left after 15 hours since unplugged. Maybe 30-45 minutes was organ trail, but not much other gaming. The only changes I made, were made to the kernel, which I posted here(be aware that making all those changes will create some small lag changing screen orientation or opening app drawer, but haven't noticed anything else). http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30298629&postcount=4
I also underclock to 1.2ghz- this doesn't create any lag, and no game or app I have used seems to work ANY better @1.5ghz than it does @1.2ghz. The main difference is the voltage it uses at max speed will be less @1.2ghz.
If you have weak 4g signal, there is an app i recently posted in some thread that puts it on 2g while screen off.. that has helped a lot too. If you have constantly good signal, then it won't make MUCH difference(tho 2g does drain less than 4g even with good signal), but it takes up to 2 seconds for it to switch to 4g after screen on. I can wait two seconds before opening an app, I don't care.
I assume you have used betterbatterystats to see what apps keep your phone from deep sleep, under partial wakelock?
And when I get obnoxious drain, but NOT because the phone isn't going into deep sleep.. I turn on the logging of an app called currentwidget- it can actually measure the MAH used while using specific apps.. the app itself can cause a bit of drain, but you'd only use it long enough to see what app is so battery inefficient. I have more about how to use that under battery savings part of the bible in my signature.
Edit: And I consistently get battery temperature of 77.7-77.9F, I always have, no matter the kernel or rom or settings.. perhaps it raises a TINY bit when I play some intensive game, but never noticeable. I am using an anker battery tho, so if you are using stock, perhaps that is a factor.
broker32 said:
Here's mine
Rom: Fourth Bar Jellybean Fusion
Kernel: Faux's Kernel, latest edition [August 15th]
Average Temp: high 90's
Average Battery Life: 5-6 hours.
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Whoa... I suppose there is someone out there with similar condition with mine... I almost thought I am the only one
Silentbtdeadly said:
Realize that what you do with screen on makes a significant difference- If I play organ trail(awesome zombie game styled after old school oregon trail game) I can play for a long time with little battery drain.. but it is a 2d game, and not going to be very processor intensive. If I play final fantasy 3, a 3d game, wow.. battery will drain much quicker, but then again, it IS a 3d game, and processor intensive. So HOW you use your phone is even more important than the screen on time.
With the latest faux(17) kernel, and 2-3 hours of screen on, the last few days I have 45% battery left after 15 hours since unplugged. Maybe 30-45 minutes was organ trail, but not much other gaming. The only changes I made, were made to the kernel, which I posted here(be aware that making all those changes will create some small lag changing screen orientation or opening app drawer, but haven't noticed anything else). http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30298629&postcount=4
I also underclock to 1.2ghz- this doesn't create any lag, and no game or app I have used seems to work ANY better @1.5ghz than it does @1.2ghz. The main difference is the voltage it uses at max speed will be less @1.2ghz.
If you have weak 4g signal, there is an app i recently posted in some thread that puts it on 2g while screen off.. that has helped a lot too. If you have constantly good signal, then it won't make MUCH difference(tho 2g does drain less than 4g even with good signal), but it takes up to 2 seconds for it to switch to 4g after screen on. I can wait two seconds before opening an app, I don't care.
I assume you have used betterbatterystats to see what apps keep your phone from deep sleep, under partial wakelock?
And when I get obnoxious drain, but NOT because the phone isn't going into deep sleep.. I turn on the logging of an app called currentwidget- it can actually measure the MAH used while using specific apps.. the app itself can cause a bit of drain, but you'd only use it long enough to see what app is so battery inefficient. I have more about how to use that under battery savings part of the bible in my signature.
Edit: And I consistently get battery temperature of 77.7-77.9F, I always have, no matter the kernel or rom or settings.. perhaps it raises a TINY bit when I play some intensive game, but never noticeable. I am using an anker battery tho, so if you are using stock, perhaps that is a factor.
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Good to know that. I used a different app to check the current mah and it seems reasonable. I forgot to use better battery stat; but, based on cpu spy, the deep sleep time seems about right... I haven't updated my kernel to v17 (still on v15) and haven't done any edit that you mention since I was still switching roms to find the ROM that suits my need. I might try to do those stuffs today and hope for the best.
And btw, I am kinda jealous with your battery life... 45% left after 15 hours unplugged and 3 hours screen ON
I might get similar result; but my battery left will be 10% and those screen on are mostly on flipboard, xda, and browsing....
Like right now, 6h 10min unplugged, 40 mins of screen on (xda & flipboard), and I am down to 66% :crying:
**On a side note, I just get my hand on gs2 and I am just curious to try and see how good it is since gs2 seems to be such a hyped up device compared to amaze.... :laugh:
shuvarts said:
Like right now, 6h 10min unplugged, 40 mins of screen on (xda & flipboard), and I am down to 66% :crying:
**On a side note, I just get my hand on gs2 and I am just curious to try and see how good it is since gs2 seems to be such a hyped up device compared to amaze.... :laugh:
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Just checked my usage. I'm sorta similar to yours in terms of screen on time. 11 h 43 m since unplugged, 39 min screen on (facebook, news, texts) and I'm down to 62%. My screen on time isnt that high, yet something else is draining my battery.
Awake time is 1 h 44m. Lots of Alarm Manager partial wakelocks. need to figure out what's causing those
http://techlife.samsung.com/tips-keep-smartphone-charged-1059.html
Charge Regularly
To get the most out of your smartphone's battery, you'll need to charge it properly. Most smartphones have a lithium-ion battery that lives longer when charged regularly. Unlike the nickel batteries used in older phones, lithium-ion batteries do best when kept above a 50 percent charge. Repeatedly allowing the battery to drain fully may shorten its life and decrease its overall capacity. If this happens, you'll need to charge the battery more frequently and it may last only a few hours before needing a charge, for example.
Your battery will also perform better if you don't let it charge to 100 percent, so take it off the charger at about 80 to 90 percent capacity. Leaving the phone connected to the charger when the phone is completely charged may lower battery life if you do it repeatedly.
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This is the ultimate battery charging explanation and guide:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a15731/best-way-to-keep-li-ion-batteries-charged/
I always follow this. Installing AccuBattery app will help you with this.
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Wow I did not know any of this. I will be following this thanks for sharing.
how long is the battery lasting if you are only going down to 50 and up to 90?
Gees! Below 50% really. I would tend to agree somewhat. I never let my phone fall below 20% and usually charge until 97% more or less. But 90-50. I don't want to be walking around with a battery back. I need my phone to last all day and 40% of the battery just won't cut it.
Xuck that !! I have a 3000mah battery for a reason if it goes then it goes ill most likely have another phone by then.Not gonna sit here to nickel and dime my usage that's not why I got this phone .
GM makes the Li batteries last in the volt and bolt 10 years by not letting the car drain the batteries more than 2/3rds down, leaving the batteries at 1/3rd charge. Tesla does it too.
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Nah, I don't own my phones for more than a year so this doesn't apply to me. I'd rather keep using it from 100-1 just like I've been doing for years. I wouldn't be able to stand only getting an hour of use and charging it 3 times a day.
This battery information applies to all devices that use this type of battery be they Samsung or other brands. Its not just the Note 8. It applies equally to your Oral-B tooth brush! :laugh:
Ryland
this is a good habit to charge often at 50%. i usually let the battery run down to like 20% or less then charge. then when i have to go somewhere and i cant play with my phone anymore cus i worry i going to run down the battery.
Question are the "300-2500" charge cycles just as it says? I mean if I put it on the charger in the car for a 10 minute drive is that a cycle along with an overnight charge? If it is we should really only be putting it on the charger from the 50-90% with a guaranteed fast charge time of at least 30+mins to get the maximum charge cycles for the lifespan?
markwebb said:
This is the ultimate battery charging explanation and guide:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a15731/best-way-to-keep-li-ion-batteries-charged/
I always follow this. Installing AccuBattery app will help you with this.
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This was a really well written down to earth article about battery care. Thank you. I still have friends, family, and coworkers that insist on running their batteries to 0%. I can't convince them otherwise. Although my batteries degrade, it's never been anything easy shattering. Just notice an hour or two shaved of over a couple years life. As the article states, there is no way around this and I won't be a slave to my battery. In that note, I top off when I can.
My battery on my old phone tended to get to around the 40% at the end fo the work day, then I'd plug it in usually around the 20-30% and it still lasted 2+ years 'til I got a new battery. Now it's about 50% at the end of the day. But with Fast Charge, what do they expect people to do, plug it in for an hour, then unplug it, then go to sleep, wake up with 60% battery, go to work and then charge it for an hour when you get there?
The lie of requiring a non replaceable battery for water proofing is also an issue. Forced obsolescence sucks....
slaapliedje said:
The lie of requiring a non replaceable battery for water proofing is also an issue. Forced obsolescence sucks....
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Too black and white.
It is possible to offer some water resistance to a mobile that has a removable battery, S5 for eg.
In general such water resistance is small and is often abused by the owner causing problems. Hardly any owner reads the instruction manual that outlines what ones device can and cannot do, what the IP rating means in REAL terms etc
"Forced obsolescence" mmmmm, a battery can be changed in the Note 8. I understand your point though.
Ryland
this has been around for years. Doesn't make it very convenient to use nothing below 50%! I'd need at least an 8000 mh battery!! Therefore Samsung IS using too small a batteries in its top of the range device!
bonerp said:
this guff has been around for years. Doesn't make it very convenient to use nothing below 50%! I'd need at least an 8000 mh battery!! Therefore Samsung IS using too smaller batteries in its top of the range device!
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Totaly agree......
We then have to ask 'ourselves' WHY! Who forced Mobile brands to make anorexic devices? WE DID. We wanted thin small large wide slim ...........we got it and now pay the price.
I personally don't care if the device is thicker with a larger battery, for me its not a problem. For so many size was a major issue so the manufacture's listened and came up with these ultra thin mobiles that are vulnerable to dropping and breaking etc. off topic.
I find it totally bizarre that we spend mega bucks on such devices only to find we are educated to use them on software that reduces said mobile to the performance of a phone costing 100€! I may add many posters where disappointed when the Note 8 didn't have a 4k screen! Can you imagine the battery issues then?
Now we read this Samsung article and find we would need to charge our mobile several times a day as well as run it on a vastly reduced software programme. In reality that article is saying the battery is only operating efficiently at 40% of its total capacity before we start to degrade its life! Its all so absurd. What are we doing here folks?
Only one answer to this, either drop the performance OR vastly improve battery technology and fast.
Ryland
I'm not sure how usefull this is for the new samsung phones though, as the release of the S8 Samsung improved the battery.
Samsung Mobile R&D VP Bookeun Oh told me, "I focused on maintaining the durability of the battery over the long term, over hundreds of charging cycles. For example, after approximately six months of normal usage, the battery in the S8 will outperform previous batteries. While most batteries hold about 80 percent of their charge after two years in usual cases, this battery should be capable of 95 percent of its original capacity."
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PC mag S8 review
I am sorry but i will use my phone all day and charge overnight. If you can't use past 50% what is the point???? My pixel xl i have had since day 1 and use all day everyday and charge overnight and noticed no real decrease in battery life except a little change with oreo!
Outdated info and not necessary.
0% on your device is still considerably above what is considered the bottom line cell voltage before excessive discharge detrimental affects capacity.
A lot of engineering has gone into these devices to squeeze every possible mAh out of the packs, have a decent life expectancy AND operate safely. There is no need to strive for certain numbers and forcibly change your usage habits. There may or may not be a demonstrably better result long term but honestly is it worth worrying about?
And for removable packs...
Forget it. That's a thing of the past.
If devices had battery life like the Skyrocket, sure I see the NEED for a swappable pack.
But not now.
Having a sealed device makes it feel solid and keeps intrusion protection intact.
Holding an older device in hand, it seems almost laughable today. It creaks and groans and feels super cheap in comparison like some dollar store toy!
With credit to VR-25 from Github:
If you edit these files and put you own values in then your phone will start charging when it drops below 75% and stop when it gets to 80%. (put your own values in, etc.)
I have only tested it briefly but it seems to work for AC and USB charging for me so far. No other apps or tweaks needed.
/sys/devices/platform/google,charger/charge_start_level:75
/sys/devices/platform/google,charger/charge_stop_level:80
EDIT: You need to be rooted to do this, and you need to reapply the settings after reboot.
I have a Tasker action that does this automatically 5 minutes after rebooting.
If only there was a way to use that without root :-S
What would be the purpose for this.
I always charged to a 100% and never had issues on my devices.
I use the adaptive charging overnight and think that will help with battery life.
vandyman said:
What would be the purpose for this.
I always charged to a 100% and never had issues on my devices.
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If you do some reading you will see that charging over 80% and draining under 20% will significantly shorten the lifespan of your battery. This is important for those of us that have devices not sold in our country so getting replacement batteries would be very difficult and expensive. I have phones that are more than 9 years old and still going fine if charged like this.
Galaxea said:
If you do some reading you will see that charging over 80% and draining under 20% will significantly shorten the lifespan of your battery. This is important for those of us that have devices not sold in our country so getting replacement batteries would be very difficult and expensive. I have phones that are more than 9 years old and still going fine if charged like this.
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If you would have read the correct information on this subject. You would know that this not true for today's battery technology.
This is nothing but a myth.
You will have a better chance looking for Bigfoot.
Why waste 40% of your battery use....
vandyman said:
If you would have read the correct information on this subject. You would know that this not true for today's battery technology.
This is nothing but a myth.
You will have a better chance looking for Bigfoot.
Why waste 40% of your battery use....
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On the contrary. The most recent phones attempt to limit the time that they spend at 100% exactly because it's so bad for battery longevity. Having options like the OP's approach just gives users more flexibility, should they want more control than, in this case, Google's adaptive/AI approach.
And it's not 'wasting' 40% of the battery. Keeping between 80% and 20% just optimizes battery service life during those days you only actually only need 60% of it's possible capacity. When working from home that's often the case for me. I actually tend to use ~30% of the battery in a day. Better to charge it up daily to about 70% than all the way to 100% and let it go down to 10% over 3 days. If it's easy to do, why not?
Not quite the same, but EV design also has their batteries normally operating in the middle range so as not to compromise their service life...
Definitely not myth. The only myth is that lithium cells exhibit a memory effect and need to be deep discharged and fully recharged periodically to maintain their capacity. It's actually bad for them to do this! The only reason to do this would be in an attempt to recalibrate the software for the battery level gauge (at the cost of a little damage to the battery each time you do that).
vandyman said:
What would be the purpose for this.
I always charged to a 100% and never had issues on my devices.
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Most folk don't notice reduction in battery capacity until it becomes severe. For example, a friend claimed it wasn't a problem charging his iPhone to 100% ritually. When he checked the OS, it said his battery capacity was 80% of what it was when new. He said he hadn't noticed it affect how long the phone lasted.
If your usage is such that you can predict how much capacity you need, you can choose to charge to 100% only those times you will actually need that capacity. Other times you can look after the battery so it's able to actually give near on 100% for longer, those times it's important to you.
Others who keep their phones a short time or are comfortable with the cost & inconvenience of a battery replacement, or simply don't care, don't have to worry....
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On the contrary. The most recent phones attempt to limit the time that they spend at 100% exactly because it's so bad for battery longevity. Having options like the OP's approach just gives users more flexibility, should they want more control than, in this case, Google's adaptive/AI approach.
And it's not 'wasting' 40% of the battery. Keeping between 80% and 20% just optimizes battery service life during those days you only actually only need 60% of it's possible capacity. When working from home that's often the case for me. I actually tend to use ~30% of the battery in a day. Better to charge it up daily to about 70% than all the way to 100% and let it go down to 10% over 3 days. If it's easy to do, why not?
Not quite the same, but EV design also has their batteries normally operating in the middle range so as not to compromise their service life...
Definitely not myth. The only myth is that lithium cells exhibit a memory effect and need to be deep discharged and fully recharged periodically to maintain their capacity. It's actually bad for them to do this! The only reason to do this would be in an attempt to recalibrate the software for the battery level gauge (at the cost of a little damage to the battery each time you do that).
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This all maybe good if you are planning on keeping your device for a few years.
Most people buy a new device every other year. If not once a year.
... and if you really want to knacker the battery, heat it up too!
Worst case scenario - using a sat nav app on your phone in the car on a hot day with the phone plugged into a car adaptor. It's going to be sitting there at elevated temperatures, possibly with the sun shining on it, whilst being kept at 100% battery....
I'm only a customer (and have no other affiliation) and like to tinker, so I got one of these for use in the car to limit temperature when charging and limit max charge. Not cheap, but ok compared with the cost of the phone https://chargie.org/
I'm sorry, but at the snails pace this phone charges I'd be very surprised if charging it to 100% every night will make any noticeable difference in the long run. I had a Xiaomi Mi10 Ultra with 120W fast charger. That phone used to charge from 0% to full in like 20 minutes. Now that's one way to quickly kill your battery.
The Pixel uses your alarm to adaptively charge the battery so it should never overcharge it anyway. I'd much rather us all of my battery than use it only between 20 and 80% just for it to last a little longer.
The files are overwritten on reboot so I created a Tasker task to write the values on reboot each time.
Biggenz said:
I'm sorry, but at the snails pace this phone charges I'd be very surprised if charging it to 100% every night will make any noticeable difference in the long run.
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On what basis? All the research and tests are based on charge level not charge rate. Fast charging potentially just makes it worse...
But at the end of the day it's your phone. You'll charge it in whatever way works for you.
I feel like this post sort of misses the point. It clearly is aimed at those intending to keep their phones >1yr, it is stated explicitly.
I'm not rooted right now, so I've been using the AccuBattery app. One of the things it does it gives a notification every few minutes when the battery is at 80% or above so that you can physically unplug the phone from the charger. Obviously having this done automatically would be better, but I've been surprised at how well the notifications have worked in my case. Plus, I can always leave the phone plugged in if I know I need a full battery for some reason (ie a long day away from any charging source).
Galaxea said:
With credit to VR-25 from Github:
If you edit these files and put you own values in then your phone will start charging when it drops below 75% and stop when it gets to 80%. (put your own values in, etc.)
I have only tested it briefly but it seems to work for AC and USB charging for me so far. No other apps or tweaks needed.
/sys/devices/platform/google,charger/charge_start_level:75
/sys/devices/platform/google,charger/charge_stop_level:80
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Dumb question but what did you use to write values into those files? Did you use a text editor (with root access) or just termux or something? I tried with the built in MiX text editor but it seems to choke once I open up the file.
Gibsonflyingv said:
Dumb question but what did you use to write values into those files? Did you use a text editor (with root access) or just termux or something? I tried with the built in MiX text editor but it seems to choke once I open up the file.
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I used FX File Explorer (root option). Look for the #. SYSTEM (Root).
I was wondering if changing the file permissions after writing to them to read-only would make the changes stick, but I am sure the OS could still overwrite them...??
I wonder if there's a similar variable to tweak at what temperature the phone considers the battery is too hot and stops charging?
Galaxea said:
With credit to VR-25 from Github:
If you edit these files and put you own values in then your phone will start charging when it drops below 75% and stop when it gets to 80%. (put your own values in, etc.)
I have only tested it briefly but it seems to work for AC and USB charging for me so far. No other apps or tweaks needed.
/sys/devices/platform/google,charger/charge_start_level:75
/sys/devices/platform/google,charger/charge_stop_level:80
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Did a bit of testing and it works fine. A few things I noticed:
1. Doesn't survive reboot. Now that I've set up MiX with pinned folders, I can make the change in seconds. Need to sit down and read through the acc documentation because AccA doesn't work. Would love to have an automatic solution. Miss my old Battery Charge Limit.
2. charge_start doesn't seem to matter. After all, if charge_start is set to 75 and the phone is at 70%, it shouldn't charge. But it does. I've kept mine at 0.
3. Point #2 is kinda beside the point, though, because charge_stop will stop at the set value and stay there. No noticeable increase in temperature from what I can see. Definitely less than when charging.
4. Still shows as charging rapidly when it hits the level. Is it rapidly cycling charging on and off? Or in a kind of micro-current state? Or this may be a true battery idle situation where all power is drawn from the adapter. Ampere and AccA just show "not charging".
Edit: With a bit of use today, it does seem to act like a normal min/max charge deal, so I set it at 75 start/76 stop. Not sure what was happening at first...maybe something to do with the adaptive charging since I still have that on. Either, way, no complaints. With my use case working from home, I have it plugged in most of the day and it'll only take me about a minute to change charge_stop to 100 when I'm planning to go out all day somewhere away from chargers. Not ideal, but still a big improvement. Changes my rating of the thing from maybe 3.5 stars to 4.5.