I've started noticing that i had an increased battery consumption under google play services. Not INSANELY high, the highest one is still whatsapp at 20%, however google play services comes a close second at 14% and a long ways from the third at sub 3%. Is it possible that after trying out APKs installed outside the google play store i've gotten a virus that consumes battery under google play services? I looked into the apps installed using app inspector but i didn't recognize any obvious virus apk in the phone. I then ran it with the borderline useless McAffee virus scan and it found nothing. Could it be this is just normal use? I remember when i first got the phone that the battery was a LOT more efficient a few months ago but i haven't been using whatsapp that often like to justify having the battery drain from 100% to 0% in one week to half a week.
Ditch WhatsApp, it's a security risk. FB, Twatter, Instascam... take out the trash. If you can't access, login and use a social media platform by browser alone, don't use it. Time to deep six these self serving platforms.
Google backup Transport can suck down the battery.
Clear data in Google play Services and Framework
Yep, Social media apps will suck the battery dry....
blackhawk said:
Ditch WhatsApp, it's a security risk. FB, Twatter, Instascam... take out the trash. If you can't access, login and use a social media platform by browser alone, don't use it. Time to deep six these self serving platforms.
Google backup Transport can suck down the battery.
Clear data in Google play Services and Framework
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hahahahahaha trust me, i think i told you long ago when i was first debloating my phone and i will repeat it. I would take whatsapp out and never touch it again if not because its the primary method of communication in the entire continent.
I cleared data for google play and the framework, hope this one solves my issues since finding the virus without doing a factory reset will be annoying. Is gservices (com.google.process.gservices) required for the phone to work or for the google framework, or can i take it out?
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hahahahahaha trust me, i think i told you long ago when i was first debloating my phone and i will repeat it. I would take whatsapp out and never touch it again if not because its the primary method of communication in the entire continent.
I cleared data for google play and the framework, hope this one solves my issues since finding the virus without doing a factory reset will be annoying. Is gservices (com.google.process.gservices) required for the phone to work or for the google framework, or can i take it out?
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Lol, we've likely had this discussion.
WhatsApp has been banned in India and Russia.
Email, texts or phone is all I use to communicate.
These social apps try to make themselves indispensable like worms in a dog. Fact is they are expendable assets when they become a parasite... which is what they are. They take far more than they give.
Not sure, com.google.process.gservices as such isn't present on my phone.
Verify apks with online Virustotal if any doubt exists.
You're running that phone too fast and loose, it will get tagged sooner or latter. This N10+ running on Pie sees heavy internet usage and hasn't had any malware on it for 2 years. This load will be 2 yo in June, still fast and stable with minimal maintenance. Part of its longevity is because I don't allow social media apps to run on it.
You can try temporarily disabling Google play Services especially at night. Gmail and Playstore need it to work as does Backup Transport. Some 3rd party apps need it to run, which I really don't like and those apps I keep on a very short leash.
Some apps only need it when they first start up.
Normally I run Google play Services only once or twice a day.
im afraid i need google play services because without it i dont get notifications while the phone is locked. It makes some apps work on the background which justifies the battery. What im wondering is if there's any potential virus that could be hidden under the Google apk. Even charging my phone through the PC on USB goes from 7 hours to 24, so im wondering if its just randomly whatsap and google, battery degradation, a virus, or if this is just normal. I even wiped the cache partition just to make sure but it didn't help much.
The sad thing about whatsapp is that here in southamerica where SMS messages cost a **** ton more than anywhere else in the world, its the defacto communication system for everyone or any group, family, friends, or work related.
hahaNSAgoBRRRR said:
im afraid i need google play services because without it i dont get notifications while the phone is locked. It makes some apps work on the background which justifies the battery. What im wondering is if there's any potential virus that could be hidden under the Google apk. Even charging my phone through the PC on USB goes from 7 hours to 24, so im wondering if its just randomly whatsap and google, battery degradation, a virus, or if this is just normal. I even wiped the cache partition just to make sure but it didn't help much.
The sad thing about whatsapp is that here in southamerica where SMS messages cost a **** ton more than anywhere else in the world, its the defacto communication system for everyone or any group, family, friends, or work related.
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If you can use WhatsApp by browser (Brave browser) login, do so.
Do not download anything from that site or members. Any download is a risk from there.
High battery consumption is a common problem on Androids and not necessarily virus or malware related.
What device and OS version are you using?
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If you can use WhatsApp by browser (Brave browser) login, do so.
Do not download anything from that site or members. Any download is a risk from there.
High battery consumption is a common problem on Androids and not necessarily virus or malware related.
What device and OS version are you using?
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Samsung Galaxy A-32. Android 11, last updated Jan 1 2022.
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Samsung Galaxy A-32. Android 11, last updated Jan 1 2022.
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If you don't use Google backup, disable it. Disable Samsung cloud as well if not used.
You can use a package disabler to more effectively stop bloatware from running at boot.
Turn off all carrier, Google and Samsung feedback in settings. Turn off Google Firebase.
Try turning off all power management in Device Care.
Use this setting change:
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Will do. Because something really ****y happened. On the slow charging via computer... My phone just aint charging. It DETECTS the charge and it says that its charging, but it just consumes more power than it gets from the USB. I dont think i ever seen this happen in all my previous phones.
As for google/samsung, i dont use them to begin with. I never made an account with samsung and i never logged in to google with my google account.
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Will do. Because something really ****y happened. On the slow charging via computer... My phone just aint charging. It DETECTS the charge and it says that its charging, but it just consumes more power than it gets from the USB. I dont think i ever seen this happen in all my previous phones.
As for google/samsung, i dont use them to begin with. I never made an account with samsung and i never logged in to google with my google account.
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Use a Samsung 25w brick and the cable that comes with it for charging.
Haha. I wouldn't put it past samsung to give me the ****tiest charging cable, but im still wondering if this is normal behaviour.
IN CASE that i had a virus, reinstalling the app that i suspect could be infected (googleplayservices) would remove the virus, or not?
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Haha. I wouldn't put it past samsung to give me the ****tiest charging cable, but im still wondering if this is normal behaviour.
IN CASE that i had a virus, reinstalling the app that i suspect could be infected (googleplayservices) would remove the virus, or not?
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Factory reset if you suspect a virus. Don't play around with an infected Android.
Be more careful going forward.
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Factory reset if you suspect a virus. Don't play around with an infected Android.
Be more careful going forward.
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I will, i just want to make sure i know whats going on for the future for troubleshooting, that's why i was asking about good phone anti virus or ways to know if i removed it.
Battery consumption went down after i switched a setting that "automated" battery use.
hahaNSAgoBRRRR said:
I will, i just want to make sure i know whats going on for the future for troubleshooting, that's why i was asking about good phone anti virus or ways to know if i removed it.
Battery consumption went down after i switched a setting that "automated" battery use.
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Antivirus is not very useful. A scan with Malwarebytes can spot rogue software sometimes without impacting performance.
Best defense is be very careful what you install, and to a lesser extent download.
Use Brave browser. Be aware of how your phone is behaving and find the cause of any abnormal behavior. Most times it a 3rd party app or settings causing it.
If malware is suspected and it takes more then an hour or two to completely eliminate it, factory reset. Go full nuke.
Reset your Google password after the reset... and don't repeat the mistake that caused it.
Trust me i learn from my mistakes. Thankfuly i do use brave browser, but it didn't warn me of anything weird. I didn't know there was a malware bytes for phone but im gonna look into it. It seems that my decision to never log in with anything important into the phone wasn't a bad idea after all.
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Trust me i learn from my mistakes. Thankfuly i do use brave browser, but it didn't warn me of anything weird. I didn't know there was a malware bytes for phone but im gonna look into it. It seems that my decision to never log in with anything important into the phone wasn't a bad idea after all.
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It may not be malware at all. It's a good idea to check the download folder daily for any file you didn't download or anything that looks amiss. Better to delete than be sorry. Open files in the download folder before adding to database including jpegs.
One scripted jpeg will change the way you think of malware. Had one on XP Pro and the latest on Android, the latter did limited damage to files in the download folder when opened. Deleting it stopped its reign of terror
Observation ie cause and effect can help you pick off these little buggers. Don't count on them being detected. They're rare but out there.
So the download folder kinda works as a safety box? IDK then. The battery drain was the only clue i had and now that its fixed im just curious about how one can be sure.
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So the download folder kinda works as a safety box? IDK then. The battery drain was the only clue i had and now that its fixed im just curious about how one can be sure.
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Well if it can't breach the folder... but if you put in a folder with a lot of loose files it would cause a lot of damage. This particular one didn't damage any folders or their files that were in the download folder. Not very damaging if caught promptly otherwise they could be little nightmares that be hard to track down.
Samsung's are notorious for being battery hogs if not optimized, no malware needed
Generally I look for other odd behaviors than just excessive battery consumption. Some apk(s) is using that power to do some task... you need to try and ID it then stop it. I have had very little trouble with malware on Android.
Actually, people telling you off arent completely right. GP services can cause battery drain. You rooted ?
if not go see cpu load or at least which frequencies are used. If all apps are closed ( as in swiped away by you frequency should be the lowest. If it jumps it can point to a problem.
Still, in summary you wont be able to help any GP services battery drain issues if you are not rooted. If yes, you can identify the service or task that keeps giving you problems and just kill it. Most of the time it wont have usability killing effects ( most...)
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Greetings!
I've recently bought Samsung Galaxy S3 and am trying to get the most of its battery by disabling things I don't need. The one of these things is Push service. I've managed to disable it for Google Mail and Google Talk, but I can't find how to do this regarding Play Store Push. To see how it works, I visit Play Store via my PC browser and chose anything to download. The next second my phone starts the downloading and installation. To me, there's namely Push service involved.
I'd appreciate if you share your knowledge/thoughts how to make this thing disabled. All settings of Play Store that possibly may have impact to this behavior are turned off. There also was an advice to stop Software Update service that I followed, but to me that didn't work. And yes, I have no root enabled, if that makes any sense.
Thanks in advance,
Eugene
Turned off updates on phone Play app ???
jje
JJEgan said:
Turned off updates on phone Play app ???
jje
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Of course, it was the first thing to do. It has nothing in common with Play Store Push.
That service is not only used for Play Store, but for nearly all Google Apps and several non-Google apps, being called C2DM.
It does not consume any battery in normal conditions since it uses a technology called Comet long polling (aka "push") and thus waits for Google servers to send a notification, the device does not have to actively monitor for changes.
As long as you have data enabled you can safely keep it running since it won't cost you battery in idle.
Dropping your data to 2G is the only method to really save battery (disabling data does not really give you any more advantage over 2G with enabled Sync for all services, ~2-3 days of standby battery)
How about you enjoy your phone instead of trying to manually cripple it down just to get some more juice out of it?
Sound a bit paranoid to try to conserve battery in such manner. Is it necessary?
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How about you enjoy your phone instead of trying to manually cripple it down just to get some more juice out of it?
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These minutes I could save by turning this off may be vital in some cases So, I assume there is no legal way to turn this off? I even can't see this C2DM in my SystemPanel App. Should I?
Ok, no big deal. If you guys insist I can leave it as is
Thanks a lot for the lesson.
I even can't see this C2DM in my SystemPanel App.
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No you can't. I can't even seem to find the toggle 'Background data' responsible for this feature in the current CM10 Jellybean build.
These minutes I could save by turning this off
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As I said, C2DM will not use battery except in 2 cases:
- when a message/notification is being pushed (well duh!)
- when you keep switching network or loosing internet connection (however in this case the C2DM's is neglectable in comparison to the modem's battery drain)
It is technically basically a few bytes in RAM that remind the phone that incoming data on Port X is Push-notifications. The underlying service (Android market framework) will run anyway.
turning this off may be vital in some cases
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I always keep a "mobile power pack" and USB-cable (which is a battery with USB plug) in the car and backpack so that I can easily quickly charge the phone either through the mobile power pack or an available USB port on a computer. In case of emergencies, lots of other people have a mobile phone too which you can borrow - you'll have to remember the phone number though.
Buying a smartphone and then not using it so you have some juice in case of emergency is somewhat ridiculous. Stick with feature phones then =)
Ok, no big deal. If you guys insist I can leave it as is
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There are a lot of other system options you can tweak starting from the modem and ending with the kernel and ROM features which all affect battery life. E.g. Siyah can be tweaked for performance or battery life.
d4fseeker said:
That service is not only used for Play Store, but for nearly all Google Apps and several non-Google apps, being called C2DM.
It does not consume any battery in normal conditions since it uses a technology called Comet long polling (aka "push") and thus waits for Google servers to send a notification, the device does not have to actively monitor for changes.
As long as you have data enabled you can safely keep it running since it won't cost you battery in idle.
Dropping your data to 2G is the only method to really save battery (disabling data does not really give you any more advantage over 2G with enabled Sync for all services, ~2-3 days of standby battery)
How about you enjoy your phone instead of trying to manually cripple it down just to get some more juice out of it?
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Speaking of nearly all Google apps, I noticed this morning when I turned my rooted S3 back on that two of them, Play Books and Play Movies & TV, which I had frozen with TB, were back and had to be refrozen. Are these coming from Play Store and could I turn off auto updates just for them there? Annoying.
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Hello guys
I need your help here. So I flashed this new ROM, and the Google Push service seemed to have stopped working completely.
1. Gmail not pushing.
2. Google play store not pushing as well
I have played around (sync on,etc) but I can't seem to find what's wrong with it. So I tried to restore a previous Nandroid backup, but the md5 checksum was mismatched!
I then tried to wipe everything, reflash new ROM etc, and yet the Google Push services aren't working as well.
Can anyone help? I am stuck, I can't go back due to md5 checksum error, and I can't move forward because I don't get Google Push services
Hello guys
I have an old pronlem -- all the gapps I have tried(slim, pico, delta) are eating too much at all the roms ive used(purity, sultan, orion os, aosparadox, exodus)
Even amplify does not help.
What can you reccomend?
To be precise, its Google Play Services that's eating away at your battery, the recent updates have increased this threshold even more so, I'm pretty blank on how to tackle this, maybe someone else can help.
Joshwin Aranha said:
To be precise, its Google Play Services that's eating away at your battery, the recent updates have increased this threshold even more so, I'm pretty blank on how to tackle this, maybe someone else can help.
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Well, I have tried almost everything and I can't blame anyone except google for this. Peculiar thing about this is that it happens on mobile data, almost never on wifi. Mobile Radio is active half of the times. You will see google play services, gmail, google app and other google apps in battery stat.
What I have tried so far: amplify, greenify, all possible location combo, blocking alarms, wakelocks, wiping google play services, google accounts, blocking permission to google apps. Most of these things broke functionality .
Solution: Just ignore. There are various threads on google forums,xda and not even a single working solution. If someone finds it, I am keen to try that (unless it asks for my credit card).
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Well, I have tried almost everything and I can't blame anyone except google for this. Peculiar thing about this is that it happens on mobile data, almost never on wifi. Mobile Radio is active half of the times. You will see google play services, gmail, google app and other google apps in battery stat.
What I have tried so far: amplify, greenify, all possible location combo, blocking alarms, wakelocks, wiping google play services, google accounts, blocking permission to google apps. Most of these things broke functionality .
Solution: Just ignore. There are various threads on google forums,xda and not even a single working solution. If someone finds it, I am keen to try that (unless it asks for my credit card).
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Well the thing is, Google Play Services (GPS from here on out), handles literally everything that Google Apps do on your device, from Geo-Positioning (Maps) to Sync (SyncAdapter) to Emails (Gmail/Exchange) to everything. To put in view, apps that crash on our devices, give a pop up, saying "XYZ apps has stopped working" and gives us 2 options "OK" & "Report", now if you "Report" the error, you'd think the report (and device logs!) go to the developer of the app, Yes ? NO! These are sent to the Almighty Overlords at Google, aside from the data-mining issue here, this just astonished me beyond belief. So that being said, what my personal view is, Google is, like every new Android Iteration, upgrading the old apps to use the Android N-ish architecture & stuff, and maybe, just maybe that this new stuff that's being implemented is better off in Android N, and not in LP or MM. But then again, I might be horribly wrong about all of this
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Well the thing is, Google Play Services (GPS from here on out), handles literally everything that Google Apps do on your device, from Geo-Positioning (Maps) to Sync (SyncAdapter) to Emails (Gmail/Exchange) to everything. To put in view, apps that crash on our devices, give a pop up, saying "XYZ apps has stopped working" and gives us 2 options "OK" & "Report", now if you "Report" the error, you'd think the report (and device logs!) go to the developer of the app, Yes ? NO! These are sent to the Almighty Overlords at Google, aside from the data-mining issue here, this just astonished me beyond belief. So that being said, what my personal view is, Google is, like every new Android Iteration, upgrading the old apps to use the Android N-ish architecture & stuff, and maybe, just maybe that this new stuff that's being implemented is better off in Android N, and not in LP or MM. But then again, I might be horribly wrong about all of this
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Though you are right about first half (can't say much about later part, as I don't understand why it should make google services go crazy )
This problem traces back to Kitkat and probably jell bean but only thing which I do not understand is why only in mobile data ?? I don't see any of them popping up in wifi .
Just when I thought I could ignore it, it started non stop feast on mobile data. I had to stop background data for this. Damn you google.
try A-gapps, it allows battery optimization for google play services (open-gapps etc don't allow this)
it helped me to have less battery drain by google play services
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/gapps-gapps-6-0-1-minimal-t3276606
Yeah... Mine are pretty obese too
Hi Guys
I have a quick question - How do i remove system apps on the Tab S3.
Everytime i go to remove and app thru Tit Backup - It restores it after reboot.
Rooted with SuperSU - Id like to uninstall Knox etc but cant?
I had this on the S8 - Is this to do with the Kernel needing to be permissive? Any help would be welcome.
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Hi Guys
I have a quick question - How do i remove system apps on the Tab S3.
Everytime i go to remove and app thru Tit Backup - It restores it after reboot.
Rooted with SuperSU - Id like to uninstall Knox etc but cant?
I had this on the S8 - Is this to do with the Kernel needing to be permissive? Any help would be welcome.
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I think you have no R/W access to the system. Did you flash the no-verity-opt-encrypt patch when rooting? Download root essentials from the play store. There you have the option to mount system R/W. After enabling that removing the system apps should work.
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Thanks... Completely slipped my mind about the RW access
I'll give it a go
Nope didnt work - Trying to delete anything of the system partition doesnt go anywhere
Solution I found for my Galaxy S7 was to use /system/app mover available from F-Droid.Org
Move apps first to be User apps, reboot and you can uninstall them.
Judging by the number of Thanks on this thread, I can see that problems with apps have been an issue with rooted Tab S3s for quite some time.
The problems I am having are actually the reverse, however; whenever I delete system apps my device becomes all but soft-bricked (Android strips me of many user privileges).
Makes me sick for a device I paid $500 for and own.
Now this is for a recent root "professionally" performed just the other day by OneClickRoot using Magisk.
Having said that, I would suggest that anyone having difficulty removing apps really doesn't want to experience the consequences of what happens when you do.
So far OneClickRoot has been MIA as far as providing assistance for an improperly performed root that voided my warranty and which I cannot use.
But what they do not know (yet) is that I screen recorded the sessions while they had remote access to my PC and were rooting my device. I haven't yet investigated whether there are newer files they could have used, but I do know that I was prompted to update Magisk on my device almost immediately afterward.
It does seem clear that Android came out with some kind of a patch that thwarted the plan. And it was seriously harrowing.
Anyway, with the guidance of the screen recordings I was able to do some experimenting with app removal and unroot/reroot at my leisure.
It didn't take much in the way of app removal to throw the system into a state of angst like I've never seen (I rooted my Galaxy S3 phone a long time ago on my own and it went peacefully and without incident). I never once touched [removed] a single core system file on this S3 tablet (of course, that may be understating it; apps like Chrome could be considered to contain core system files - after all, it is an Android). I also did not remove Google Play Services or Google Play because I kinda had a hunch.
Incidentally, I used ES File Explorer to remove the apps. A decent reputation with Google. Downloaded with Yalp Store. (After removing the apps, some time later I went back to the root section of ES and got a notification that said "Sorry. That feature is not available on this device.")
At the moment I am back in re-rooted state and experimenting with an app disabler/freezer. So far so good. It's interesting to see what I haven't been able to disable - Chrome being one of them. The others (Music, Movies, Maps, Hangouts, OneDrive, etc. were disabled without incident). I'm wondering if this experiment is demonstrating which apps I can safely remove with the root.
Oh, I disabled Google Text-to-Speech and once in a while I get a feeble notification alerting me that it has stopped which is fine by me. I'm sick of them stalking me all over the Internet let alone logging my every keystroke.
Anyway, that's my story and the current forecast where uprooting is concerned.
I looked at oneClickRoot. It wants access to all your accounts. Why does it need that? That scares me. I also don't see how it would root your device without tripping Knox. Maybe it doesn't, I don't know.
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I looked at oneClickRoot. It wants access to all your accounts. Why does it need that? That scares me. I also don't see how it would root your device without tripping Knox. Maybe it doesn't, I don't know.
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JD, sometimes roots trip Knox and sometimes they don't. They didn't advise me of that either way.
I'm not sure why they want access to all your accounts. Maybe it's just because a root requires total access to your device.
There's nothing you don't see while they are performing the root so I don't think it's much to be concerned about.
Picking up where I left off with my original post, I soon discovered Terminal Debloater developed by Magisk (a means of removing apps systemless-ly!).
OneClickRoot didn't advise me of that method (and still hasn't gotten back with me, incidentally). Of course, they do make money selling extended support packages (and it's worth noting that they didn't flash TWRP to my device either).
I thought if Terminal Debloater didn't do it nothing would. And it didn't work, even though I didn't uninstall Google, Google Play Services or Google Play.
I mean, it got rid of the apps just like ES File Explorer did, but my device once again became nearly unusable (unable to open Google Play Store or Amazon Appstore among other features of my device). But systemless-ly? Not so sure about that.
Resetting the device remedied the problem(s) and reinstalled everything without requiring a re-root (minus 3rd party apps that I already had installed, of course). I had forgotten about the previous backup that I had performed with Titanium Backup but it was like 4am and I was getting foggy, you know - there have been a lot of late nights lately. My device was still rooted after the reset and I was able to reinstall Magisk Manager with an .apk (Google Play Store banished it). Maybe that's what they meant by systemless uninstall - the relative ease of reinstall.
So I think that after all of this experimentation it is fair to say that unless you have goals other than uninstalling meaningless stuff like that withTV app it isn't going to work out. And for an app freezer/disabler to work properly you need a root. And an app/freezer disabler won't disable them all. I still have a lot of Google apps it won't disable like Gmail, Chrome, Photos, Movies & TV and Google Play Music (although I realize most people aren't interested in disabling Google apps). I could probably safely remove YouTube, Maps and Drive (I was only able to partially able freeze the former but I was able to fully freeze the latter). There are others I could probably uninstall too - OneDrive, other Microsoft apps, Weather, etc. - it would just seem pointless though since they are already frozen. So maybe freezing is a good enough reason to root for those who only want minimal removal of apps and still want Google where the sun doesn't shine.
Anything that can be frozen can probably be safely removed with the root but I haven't experimented with that. It might require a 4th reset and/or reroot. But you will never have total freedom to do what you want.
As far as OneClickRoot, it is fortunate that I paid with PayPal because I am going to file a claim based on many factors. They asked me why I was rooting my device and I told them I was going to remove apps. They didn't advise me on that either way. They didn't tell me that the root would trip Knox. It says on their Galaxy Tab S3 page, "After the rooting process is completed and done, you may start installing carrier-blocked applications" "you may positively eliminate preinstalled crapware" and "Remember that after rooting, you are the administrator of your own phone so have the freedom to do anything you want with your phone." If they made the mistake of referring to a phone on their tablet page then that's their bad. I do not yet qualify to post links on this forum, but you can find the page by using DuckDuckGo to search "Galaxy S3 Tab OneClickRoot" and it's the first search result).
I paid them $60 total to root my device; the first time I thought I removed too many apps and that it was my fault so I paid them an additional $20 to re-root it. Turns out it really wasn't my fault at all because with the 2nd root I uninstalled even fewer apps than the first time (and like I said before, never any core system apps or even any major android apps like Google Play Services). I figured out how to unroot it on my own (with firmware files from SamMobile and flashed with Odin) and then screen recorded the 2nd root.
At the end of the day I'm not sure it's really worth it to root just to remove a few apps and void your warranty if you're still covered (I have only owned my device for just over a week).
But then, not everyone has the same objectives I do. I am completely crazy serious when it comes to my privacy. One might ask why I even purchased this device and it's because it affords customizations that Apple doesn't (or so I thought). But I can still run Linux. And, of course, I have no intent of setting up a Samsung account or a real Google account. I bought a cheap sim card from TracFone to use with my old S3 phone to set up a fake Google account (because of course you have to have a phone to register a Google account). My TracFone account is under a fake name, my phone number has a Chicago area code (I live across the country), my Google account will be under a fake name and I use a paid VPN on my device(s) using a Chicago IP address. They deserve it.
All just so I can get a few paid - but important - apps. If it weren't for that, Google account be damned. I sold my black little soul to Amazon a long time ago but their selections are limited.
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Oh, and for those who aren't rooted and simply want to uninstall system apps for more space, you can force 3rd party apps to SD by enabling that feature in Developer Options.
Go to Settings > About tablet > Model number > Software information
Click on Build number 7 times. That will activate Developer Options which you will then find at the bottom of the column on the left side.
Click on Developer Options and scroll way down to Force Allow Apps on External.
Then scroll up to Running Services and observe what's going on behind the scenes. Especially if you have denied (and even frozen) location permissions, deactivated bluetooth, limited background processes to "none" and deactivated automatic updates. They will grab at ANYTHING - your bluetooth, phone, etc. You can stop the processes but they still keep coming back. It's fun to give them an occasional punt anyway.
I did manage to finally disable blutooth but that *had* to be frozen. Disabling in settings wasn't good enough. Google Location Service cannot be stopped ever.
I should set up the fake Google account on my S3 phone with the Chicago IP address and then play Ingress in my real neighborhood just to taunt them.
Blue team!!!!
You do know there is a root method by ashyx in the development section, right. Also, I'd just freeze apps with tibu. That way if your system starts to freeze you can just unfreeze them.
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You do know there is a root method by ashyx in the development section, right. Also, I'd just freeze apps with tibu. That way if your system starts to freeze you can just unfreeze them.
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Hi JD.
No, I didn't know about ashyx. Thanks for that though. I might end up looking into it. I'm wondering if a root is just a root, though? There are a couple of apps that have given me errors that said "Your SU binary is functional but might not work reliably on some Android 4.3+ ROMs. If you encounter any issues in TB, please try SuperSU instead." I got that error from Titanium Backup today and I think also from Malwarebytes the other day.
So I'm wondering if uninstalling Magisk and installing SuperSU instead might make a difference.
I reallly have no clue. I'm going to try it though. As a last resort I will probably try re-rooting. Have you used ashyx? If so, were you able to remove apps without a hassle?
Also, is that your Porsche? Nice . . . . . if you're in Minnesota, bet you can't wait until June lol.
I'm from the Midwest orignally - I guess it was kind of a rough winter, no? I know last winter was.
You'll get the same message with supersu as magisk in TB. It's not an issue. And, yes, I use @ashyx method for root. It's worked for all firmwares so far, but I'm almost sure it won't (twrp) if Samsung ever gives us Oreo. But I have confidence in ashyx that he'll modify it so it will, he's the man!
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You'll get the same message with supersu as magisk in TB. It's not an issue. And, yes, I use @ashyx method for root. It's worked for all firmwares so far, but I'm almost sure it won't (twrp) if Samsung ever gives us Oreo. But I have confidence in ashyx that he'll modify it so it will, he's the man!
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Hi JD. Long time no see. Or so it seems.
My head has actually been far removed from the Tab this past week. I actually had my S7 rooted just a couple of days before the Tab and so I have been juggling both devices. I think I'm about to pop a blood vessel. I honestly would have rooted them myself but there was just too much scattered information and since I was dealing with two devices I had OCR do it.
But anyway, I haven't been much invested in the Tab over the past several days. I broke a few too many green antennae again and bricked my S7 for the third time. Whenever I have fresh firmware flashed to my device I get those uninstall apps and become possessed. At least I can reinstall the firmware and re-root on my own now.
Things sure have changed since the S3 (phone) and the Galaxy Tab Pro (which was introduced before app permissions became an option). I never did root that device. I guess that's about 4 years old now.
I do believe my S7 was rooted with the ashyx method. I saw a file or something somewhere. It is easier to remove system files on that device but more complicated as there are so many more of them being a phone and all.
As far as Oreo . . . . .ugh. Something about the potential for crush injuries doesn't seem really appealing. I can imagine the "system" is only going to become more oppressive and Google more invasive. Right now I'm still trying to figure out wtf Nougat is.
Besides, Nougat will be a good OS for a long, long time. The OS on my S3 phone [Lollipop?] is still adequate. And developers are still trying to perfect apps for rooted Nougat OS's. A lot of stuff is still buggy.
I'm not *quite* as fanatical about privacy on my S7 since my phone number was tied to my Google account long before I decided to stop being lazy about privacy issues. But once I get the paid apps I need I immediately freeze Google Play Services and Google Play Store. And before I use the store I remove my SD card before they can rape my app settings and data. And, of course, I pay for a Google Play gift card with cash. It's extremely difficult going to these extremes but I am still new at it on my devices so it will just take time to adjust. I went through the same grief with my PCs but it's all good now. My banks and creditors no longer hassle me when I use private browsing and a VPN when I log in. Google will never give in though. Ever. And that really is something scary.
I actually did acquire Windows 10 Enterprise for both of my PCs after many fruitless and failed attempts at tweaking my registry. Now I have full access to Group Policy Editor and live in relative privacy [and peace] where Microsoft is concerned. Wish android had a Group Policy Editor.
Anyway, as far as where I left off with app uninstalls on my Tab, I had only just flashed the stock firmware on that before I bricked my S7 so there are still what I call "secondary" Google apps like Maps, Gmail, Movies & TV, etc. Those are frozen, however. It still might be a couple of days before I get to uninstalling those but I will update. I have no life. I need to come up for air lol. It is important to me to post about this experience; I guess I feel somewhat like an activist in a sense. Google just runs roughshod over everything and everyone like they OWN, you know? And they don't. They don't own me, or you, or our devices. And so this is for people - not "advertising IDs" - who feel similarly and don't want Google invading their devices and private information.
Umm . . . . I know there are a lot of individuals who want to root their Tab S3s and I may at some point post instructions on how to do that using Magisk (it really is simple) but right now I just feel that it would be unethical to do so until I can figure out which apps are truly safe to remove without bricking. And, of course, I can post instructions on how to flash the stock firmware as well.
Thanks for the info about the messages, btw. Still trying to figure out how to disable those. There has to be an .obb tweak somewhere for that. As I recall, the primary reason I rooted my S3 (phone) to begin with was to disable the shutter sound on my camera! And that required an .obb tweak. For the life of me I can't remember what app I used to accomplish that.
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When I get a message telling me that something I don't want has stopped working, it would at least be nice to see a bow on top of that bubble with some streamers and balloons in the background.
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The Battle Of Jorte.
The night before last I was making some tweaks to my S7. I had just finished up purchasing some apps I needed from the Play Store and had refrozen that app and Google Play Services. Some time before I had previously installed a day-planning type app called Jorte.
All of a sudden I started getting notifications in my notification area that said "Jorte will not run unless you enable Google Play Services." I tolerated this for a while and then finally thought, "Ok, well, I'll just uninstall Jorte and that will put an end to that." (I didn't really want Jorte anymore - I had installed it along with a couple of other day-planning apps I was making comparisons with and had decided on a different one - one that wasn't "dependent" on Google Play Services.)
So I uninstalled Jorte and realized that there was another app that I forgot to purchase. When I went back into Application Manager to reactivate Google Play Services and Google Play Store they were gone! Well! I wasn't sure if that was a good or a bad thing. I opened my App disabler app and sure enough - they were still installed on my phone, just hidden. How trite! How petty! I was furious.
I decided at that point that I had all the paid apps I needed.
One would THINK that an ETHICAL company without nefarious intentions would take the position that if an individual isn't using their services that they would be more than HAPPY that they be disabled especially if they are "FREE". After all, why waste resources?? To whose benefit is it to leave Google Play Services running in the background when it isn't needed?
I did something then that hadn't yet dawned on me. I have an app disabler that allows one to disable all of the services associated with that app (specifically Google Play Services). Uninstalling "GPS" bricked my device before so that wasn't an option. So I went offline and disabled my mobile data (also something I hadn't done before) and went into the app disabler (which I will not name [yet]) and started disabling everything with the word "sync", "collection", forwarding", "uploading", "geolocation", "account", "transfer", "advertiser", "notification", "analytics", "indexing", "listener", "secret", "logger", "metadata", "reporter", "credentials", "metrics", "watcher", "sharing", "monitor", "phenotype?!", "detection", "stats", "supervision", "VACUUM". . . .amongst several others. (Are you guys getting alarmed yet?.) Out of 276 services I disabled 105. I had to disable them one by one because the app would stop each and every time.
I also disabled 4 out of 6 services belonging to Google Services Framework (which were all that the app disabler were able to freeze).
All of these actions effectively disabled Google from running on my device as observed from Running Services in Developer Options (that, of course, combined with disabling/uninstalling Samsung apps and associated services). Staying offline and disabling mobile data prevented my actions during this process from being reported (and interfered with).
So far over the past couple of days all has been quiet. No more '"________ will not run without Google Play Services" or "________ has stopped" notifications, no more Google running in the background and helping itself to my data like a smorgasbord.
I attempted to apply these same settings to my Tab S3 and it didn't fly. I had to disable ALL of the subservices associated with Google Play Services and I also uninstalled Google Services Framework entirely.
That debacle is for a different post.
I want to add that most any app can be uninstalled on the Tab S3 once the disabling of Samsung, Google Play Services and Google Play is achieved. Prior to this, for whatever reason I had a great deal of difficulty uninstalling Chrome and Google Play Music. If you think really, really hard in advance about all of the paid apps that you want that are critical to your root and whatever other paid apps you want, you can install them and ditch Google Play Services. They got their money and earned what they deserved. There is no reason to keep Google services continuously running in the background. You can get top notch apps that don't depend on them. I have My Backup Pro, Servicely, SD Maid, an APK extractor, a couple of really good disablers/uninstallers, ES File Explorer, Root Explorer, etc. Really consider your privacy - your data is important. Would you let a stranger rifle through drawers at your house? Even if Google has been collecting your data for years, all hope is not lost. You have many years ahead of you. Most of the data they have collected becomes obsolete over time and they don't need to keep collecting it. There are many, many apps that are not dependent on Google Play Services. There's an app called F-Droid that has an .apk installation file that can be directly downloaded from the Internet and which offers LOTS of great apps. They have an app called Yalp Store that shows you which apps Google Play Store offers that don't depend on Google Play Services and you can filter those results. You can even download and install them manually. The developers of F-Droid are privacy-conscious and all of the apps that they offer are geared with that in mind.
I paid a lot of money for my devices - what, $1300 overall? The manufacturers are not entitled to more than that, especially if I have paid for additional apps. I do have a dummy YouTube account - I consider it free cloud storage for my videos in exchange for the the data they have stolen from me over the years (I've got some cool videos, too - I'd link to my channel but it would blow my cover).
To achieve all of this you will need to start fresh - uninstall your apps, remove your SD card, clean your device really well, wipe your device and close your Samsung account. You don't need a Samsung account to run your device. You can decline both Samsung and Google services at setup but all of those choices are meaningless because they take what they want anyway.
There may be a few sacrifices that may be a dealbreaker to some such as Facebook, but there are a few apps that work around that limitation such as Tinfoil for Facebook. You may also be able to log into Facebook using a privacy web browser. I have Firefox on my devices using a VPN, Privacy Browsing and multiple privacy plugins and it works just fine for every website I have visited (I can't speak for Facebook, though, because I don't use it (not for privacy reasons, though - I have unresolved mixed feelings about it). It should be fine to use with a web browser although some websites do badger you to use their app. You can try it though before uninstalling the Facebook app and see how it goes. Granted it won't be as convenient but you can bookmark it and still have access. Twitter is dependent on Google Play. As I was writing this paragraph I just found a highly rated app called Metal for Facebook & Twitter which isn't dependent on Google and which allows you to access both of them. No ads, gets you notifications from Facebook, supports Orbot/Tor, etc. Sounds excellent.
So there's some stuff to consider.
Between both of my devices I had become really mentally/emotionally stressed and exhausted and had a short but intense cry yesterday. I would have benefited from a longer one.
Last night I woke up to discover that Google had added another hundred or so services to the Google Play Services app on my S7 which brought the number up to 300+. (As an aside, the same thing happened on my Tab S3 several days ago.) I'm not sure if I had wi-fi or mobile data turned on when it happened or both - I had been turning them both on and off intermittently throughout the day. All I can think is that Verizon must have been sharing data. It happened on the S3 for a different reason and I caught that while it was happening.
I thought that I was using Verizon simply for a signal. I don't use their cloud and I don't sync any data to their servers in any other manner. Come to discover there were a couple of settings I overlooked.
Google and Verizon are in bed together - I did discover that much. I really did want to maintain a location with Verizon so I could at least locate my device if I were ever to lose it; they charge enough and I can be incredibly absentminded at times, like using the calculator on my phone while shopping, lying it down on a shelf when picking something up and walking away. But when I went to Verizon's website to see if they offered such a service I was redirected straight to Google. They're kidding, right?
Google is so unbelievably insidious. You really don't know until you try to escape.
I'm a quiet, introverted person - all I want is my privacy, my freakin' Kindle app and a few simple others. And I WOULD get a Kindle, but even the best one only records video in 720p! But no - 4k or no 4k, I'm not about to curl up in a hollow log with a Kindle.
The S3 has been turned off for the past couple of days; both devices present challenges of their own. The S7 is worse I think with Verizon in the mix. My S7 has turned out to be the guinea pig it seems.
I know how to re-root the S7 if I brick it again but I'll spare myself the hassle. I paid One Click Root for the 6-month extended support package and I'll make them work for it. They pretty much dissed me on the S3 so they deserve it.
Right now the S7 is stable (and functional) again - I was up for hours last night after my ghastly, half-conscious discovery disabling another hundred Google Play subservices. Right now I'm backing up to My Backup Pro's cloud and after that I think I'm going to go offline and uninstall The Framework and Google Play Services. Surely Google can't coerce Verizon to cut off data services to a loyal customer.
A few updates and and an apology. . . .but not in that order. Ummm. . . .I realize that this whole Google privacy thing is a touchy subject and I'm really sorry for having brought it up here (kind of, you know?). I mean, in the sense that this is a really helpful place for what it is and I do understand something about getting knocked back in Google search rankings. I'd really hate to see something like that happen.
So this will be my last post on this topic.
This whole endeavor has really been a nightmare - a real war and I have lost tons of sleep. I'm amazed that I haven't hard-bricked my devices. One day I re-rooted my S3 three times. Yesterday I re-rooted my S7 twice. There is no compromising with Google. None. I thought that I could whittle it down to just not using any of their apps, you know? What other business do they have running data collection or location services on my device? I don't have a connected Samsung or Google account, I declined app usage data, location services and diagnostic usage at setup. I disabled all of those plus everything else that could be disabled in settings and everything possible in permissions. Yet settings keep being switched back on which is the whole reason I rooted my devices. THEN after I root, I install these 3rd party freezing apps and watch Google behind the scenes with their 380 hidden services going to town collecting all sorts of data - Bluetooth, radios, geofencing, storage. . . .it's absolutely unreal. They hide and disable apps I paid to 3rd parties on independent websites. . . .I just don't even know where to begin. I started getting screenshots of all of this and they started deleting and disabling those.
Anyway, I don't know how much longer I have now to return my S3 to Amazon but it might be going back in a pine box. It's defective. I mean, seriously. The permissions keep turning themselves off. Inherently defective perhaps, but defective nonetheless. I've had the S7 since November so I don't know what Verizon can do for me but I think California has some laws.
Anyway, I'm in the midst of preparing some killer videos on rooting and flashing stock firmware to both the Tab S3 and S7 and I will come back and post YouTube links to those when they're done. They will no doubt be immediately removed unless Google finds them lucrative enough to keep, and if they are removed I will PAY Vimeo to host (and protect) them.
Oh - heh - before I forget: YES, you CAN remove every single Google app from your S3 EXCEPT for Chrome. It's part of the infrastructure, man. You will brick your device every time you try to remove it. But remember this - and this is CRUCIAL - install an app freezer (better yet, two), then turn off wi-fi making sure to disable auto-reconnect because everything you do is transmitted and they will brick you. You don't want to clue them into anything. Then use your best judgement to freeze and disable every possible permission before you start Also reboot after every app uninstall (or two). It takes a lonnnng time depending on how many you remove but trust me on this. If you intend to maintain a Google account you should be all good.
I acually use TITANIUM BACKUP
for freezing , u freezing & uninstalling system application's:good:
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A few updates and and an apology. . . .but not in that order. Ummm. . . .I realize that this whole Google privacy thing is a touchy subject and I'm really sorry for having brought it up here (kind of, you know?). I mean, in the sense that this is a really helpful place for what it is and I do understand something about getting knocked back in Google search rankings. I'd really hate to see something like that happen.
So this will be my last post on this topic.
This whole endeavor has really been a nightmare - a real war and I have lost tons of sleep. I'm amazed that I haven't hard-bricked my devices. One day I re-rooted my S3 three times. Yesterday I re-rooted my S7 twice. There is no compromising with Google. None. I thought that I could whittle it down to just not using any of their apps, you know? What other business do they have running data collection or location services on my device? I don't have a connected Samsung or Google account, I declined app usage data, location services and diagnostic usage at setup. I disabled all of those plus everything else that could be disabled in settings and everything possible in permissions. Yet settings keep being switched back on which is the whole reason I rooted my devices. THEN after I root, I install these 3rd party freezing apps and watch Google behind the scenes with their 380 hidden services going to town collecting all sorts of data - Bluetooth, radios, geofencing, storage. . . .it's absolutely unreal. They hide and disable apps I paid to 3rd parties on independent websites. . . .I just don't even know where to begin. I started getting screenshots of all of this and they started deleting and disabling those.
Anyway, I don't know how much longer I have now to return my S3 to Amazon but it might be going back in a pine box. It's defective. I mean, seriously. The permissions keep turning themselves off. Inherently defective perhaps, but defective nonetheless. I've had the S7 since November so I don't know what Verizon can do for me but I think California has some laws.
Anyway, I'm in the midst of preparing some killer videos on rooting and flashing stock firmware to both the Tab S3 and S7 and I will come back and post YouTube links to those when they're done. They will no doubt be immediately removed unless Google finds them lucrative enough to keep, and if they are removed I will PAY Vimeo to host (and protect) them.
Oh - heh - before I forget: YES, you CAN remove every single Google app from your S3 EXCEPT for Chrome. It's part of the infrastructure, man. You will brick your device every time you try to remove it. But remember this - and this is CRUCIAL - install an app freezer (better yet, two), then turn off wi-fi making sure to disable auto-reconnect because everything you do is transmitted and they will brick you. You don't want to clue them into anything. Then use your best judgement to freeze and disable every possible permission before you start Also reboot after every app uninstall (or two). It takes a lonnnng time depending on how many you remove but trust me on this. If you intend to maintain a Google account you should be all good.
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Watch out the Russians are coming too.
Has anyone here uses package disabler pro or adb to remove bloatware and/or system apps? If so which apps did you disable/remove? Did it affect performance and/or battery life at all?
I used the ADB method. That said, some of the software (mostly pre-installed games) can be uninstalled normally, which is nice.
For the rest, I used ADB commands in Fastboot to remove them.
I was working mostly blind, since I hadn't seen anyone with a list, but I think I wound up nuking somewhere between two and three dozen system apps.
Sadly, I didn't write out a list. I tried to err on the side of caution and not nuke anything that sounded important.
Crap like the Game of Thrones game, CNN app and other news apps, radio apps, LG versions of stuff I was using Google apps of (most LG software, actually).
I left things like LG Home and LG Dual Screen installed. Obviously didn't touch System UI or anything that seemed critical.
I also removed some AT&T garbage I don't want or need.
I just Googled up generic instructions and winged it after that.
I did all this on my first day with the phone (early April) so I really don't have any way to compare performance or battery life before and after.
But I haven't had a single performance issue with this phone in over a month of use, and battery has been absolutely beastly.
(I think you've seen a comprehensive post I made in another thread of yours that shows my software environment and how I replaced pretty much everything (launcher, navigation gesture, live wallpaper, etc.) with third-party software that I prefer).
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I used the ADB method. That said, some of the software (mostly pre-installed games) can be uninstalled normally, which is nice.
For the rest, I used ADB commands in Fastboot to remove them.
I was working mostly blind, since I hadn't seen anyone with a list, but I think I wound up nuking somewhere between two and three dozen system apps.
Sadly, I didn't write out a list. I tried to err on the side of caution and not nuke anything that sounded important.
Crap like the Game of Thrones game, CNN app and other news apps, radio apps, LG versions of stuff I was using Google apps of (most LG software, actually).
I left things like LG Home and LG Dual Screen installed. Obviously didn't touch System UI or anything that seemed critical.
I also removed some AT&T garbage I don't want or need.
I just Googled up generic instructions and winged it after that.
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What's the benefits to disabling all of this stuff? I've spent years debloating my devices and never actually noticed any benefit to it. It's a genuine question, as I'm deciding whether or not to do it myself as well
Mejilan said:
I used the ADB method. That said, some of the software (mostly pre-installed games) can be uninstalled normally, which is nice.
For the rest, I used ADB commands in Fastboot to remove them.
I was working mostly blind, since I hadn't seen anyone with a list, but I think I wound up nuking somewhere between two and three dozen system apps.
Sadly, I didn't write out a list. I tried to err on the side of caution and not nuke anything that sounded important.
Crap like the Game of Thrones game, CNN app and other news apps, radio apps, LG versions of stuff I was using Google apps of (most LG software, actually).
I left things like LG Home and LG Dual Screen installed. Obviously didn't touch System UI or anything that seemed critical.
I also removed some AT&T garbage I don't want or need.
I just Googled up generic instructions and winged it after that.
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Do you have the commands? I need to dump chrome as it keeps re-enabling itself and I absolutely HATE chrome. Keeps giving itself permissions I've denied it as well. This has been happening several times a day for about 4 days now
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What's the benefits to disabling all of this stuff? I've spent years debloating my devices and never actually noticed any benefit to it. It's a genuine question, as I'm deciding whether or not to do it myself as well
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For one, it just gets rid of apps and icons for crap I never wanted to begin with. I know that most third-party launchers have options to hide apps, but I wanted a solution that was a tad more permanent (though without root, this isn't a 100% wiping of these apps. It's just the best we can manage without root). Since I tend to use Google's main suite of apps for most things, and replace things like my launcher, navigation gestures, and other critical parts of the software environment with third-party solutions, I don't really want a lot of overlapping apps that I'm never going to use. So nuking things like OEM or Carrier versions of Google apps is usually one of my first priorities. Also bull**** like Device Wellness apps, Carrier promotional apps and games, duplicate contacts, gallery, keyboard, dialer, email, contacts, calendar, messaging and browser apps. All that stuff goes. I have no use for two or three different versions of all these apps on my device. I love Chrome, Google Photos, the Google Dialer, Google Contacts, Google Calendar, Google's RCS-enabled Messaging app, etc.
So for me, it's to de-clutter and to make sure I don't have duplicate functionality potentially running in the background eating up system resources, RAM, or mobile data. As long as you don't accidentally nuke something critical to the system, there's no real harm in de-bloating, even if on modern flaghsips with beastly hardware and tons of RAM, there's little performance or battery life to be gained by doing so. If nothing else, I try to keep the number of installed apps in the low 100s, and this helps on that count.
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Do you have the commands? I need to dump chrome as it keeps re-enabling itself and I absolutely HATE chrome. Keeps giving itself permissions I've denied it as well. This has been happening several times a day for about 4 days now
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I used the following guide:
https://www.xda-developers.com/uninstall-carrier-oem-bloatware-without-root-access/amp/
I believe I had the LG Mobile Drivers and Minimalist ADB & Fastboot already installed from my V30 days, so I skipped the first few steps, IIRC.
Or maybe I downloaded new versions and installed those. I don't remember anymore.
Mejilan said:
For one, it just gets rid of apps and icons for crap I never wanted to begin with. I know that most third-party launchers have options to hide apps, but I wanted a solution that was a tad more permanent (though without root, this isn't a 100% wiping of these apps. It's just the best we can manage without root). Since I tend to use Google's main suite of apps for most things, and replace things like my launcher, navigation gestures, and other critical parts of the software environment with third-party solutions, I don't really want a lot of overlapping apps that I'm never going to use. So nuking things like OEM or Carrier versions of Google apps is usually one of my first priorities. Also bull**** like Device Wellness apps, Carrier promotional apps and games, duplicate contacts, gallery, keyboard, dialer, email, contacts, calendar, messaging and browser apps. All that stuff goes. I have no use for two or three different versions of all these apps on my device. I love Chrome, Google Photos, the Google Dialer, Google Contacts, Google Calendar, Google's RCS-enabled Messaging app, etc.
So for me, it's to de-clutter and to make sure I don't have duplicate functionality potentially running in the background eating up system resources, RAM, or mobile data. As long as you don't accidentally nuke something critical to the system, there's no real harm in de-bloating, even if on modern flaghsips with beastly hardware and tons of RAM, there's little performance or battery life to be gained by doing so. If nothing else, I try to keep the number of installed apps in the low 100s, and this helps on that count.
I used the following guide:
https://www.xda-developers.com/uninstall-carrier-oem-bloatware-without-root-access/amp/
I believe I had the LG Mobile Drivers and Minimalist ADB & Fastboot already installed from my V30 days, so I skipped the first few steps, IIRC.
Or maybe I downloaded new versions and installed those. I don't remember anymore.
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Back in my V20 days there was an app on the store for this. I'm assuming that's no longer the case? I have been using a rooted OnePlus for a couple of years so I'm out of the loop on this ?
Ryano89 said:
Back in my V20 days there was an app on the store for this. I'm assuming that's no longer the case? I have been using a rooted OnePlus for a couple of years so I'm out of the loop on this
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LG Package Disabler, or some such? I think it's still around.
I've heard of it, though I've never actually used it.
Nor do I know if it's been updated to support the V60.
Edit - I think this is it. And there's one review that suggests that it works on the V60.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdmdm.dmplay
Mejilan said:
LG Package Disabler, or some such? I think it's still around.
I've heard of it, though I've never actually used it.
Nor do I know if it's been updated to support the V60.
Edit - I think this is it. And there's one review that suggests that it works on the V60.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdmdm.dmplay
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It does.. curiously look at the apps it shows disabled when I downloaded it. I disabled Android Auto and YouTube... But what the hell are this other apps? I didn't touch them
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It does.. curiously look at the apps it shows disabled when I downloaded it. I disabled Android Auto and YouTube... But what the hell are this other apps? I didn't touch them
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I think some of those, like the Android Device Wizard and LG Device Wizard are basically one-time apps that run whenever a phone is factory reset.
Basically, the new phone set-up screens and activations you went through when you first powered your device on after purchasing and receiving it.
They may be automatically flagged to disable themselves after that first-time run so that they don't continue to run anytime you reboot the device.
Honestly, that's just a guess, because I don't know.
I don't know about the rest of them, but you can probably Google them.
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I think some of those, like the Android Device Wizard and LG Device Wizard are basically one-time apps that run whenever a phone is factory reset.
Basically, the new phone set-up screens and activations you went through when you first powered your device on after purchasing and receiving it.
They may be automatically flagged to disable themselves after that first-time run so that they don't continue to run anytime you reboot the device.
Honestly, that's just a guess, because I don't know.
I don't know about the rest of them, but you can probably Google them.
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I tried, there was no real useful information. I was just curious anyway
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I tried, there was no real useful information. I was just curious anyway
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I did some quick research:
com.lge.gdec.client seems to be related to the LG G-DEC portal.
https://gdec.lge.com/memLogin.do?req_lang=en
I don't have a log-in, nor do I know how to procure one, but I highly suspect that this is NOT a consumer-level feature or portal.
Perhaps it's for LG developers or existing LG employees. But if it's not consumer-level, then it's not surprising that the service is disabled by default.
LG GCUV (com.lge.gcuv) seems to be related to yet another LG sign-in portal called, appropriately enough, GCUV.
http://india.gcuv.lge.com/
This one seems to be specific to LG users (or developers or sales reps) in India, and it makes sense that it would be disabled on devices not intended for Indian markets.
Like G-DEC, I don't have a log-in for this, nor the means to procure one. I suspect this is another service that is not intended for everyday consumers.
I cannot find any information on Enabler Customizer (com.lge.smartenabler). Just questions about what it is here on XDA and on Reddit, with no one apparently knowing the answer.
So you might be asking yourself why system apps for services and log-ins not intended for consumers (or intended only for specific regions/markets) are doing on our phones?
The simple answer, most likely, is that they probably want to maintain and update as few system images as possible and thus, try to make them as homogenous as possible, disabling things not intended for this market or that market, as needed. Considering how slow LG typically are in releasing new updates for even their newest phones (let alone their older ones that have not yet technically seen support hit end-of-life), I'm OK with them trying to keep down the number of system images they need to work on. Especially if they pre-disable stuff not relevant to us without us needing to do it ourselves.
Mejilan said:
I did some quick research:
com.lge.gdec.client seems to be related to the LG G-DEC portal.
https://gdec.lge.com/memLogin.do?req_lang=en
I don't have a log-in, nor do I know how to procure one, but I highly suspect that this is NOT a consumer-level feature or portal.
Perhaps it's for LG developers or existing LG employees. But if it's not consumer-level, then it's not surprising that the service is disabled by default.
LG GCUV (com.lge.gcuv) seems to be related to yet another LG sign-in portal called, appropriately enough GCUV.
http://india.gcuv.lge.com/
This one seems to be specific to LG users (or developers or sales reps) in India, and it makes sense that it would be disabled on devices not intended for Indian markets.
Like G-DEC, I don't have a log-in for this, nor the means to procure one. I suspect this is another service that is not intended for everyday consumers.
I cannot find any information on Enabler Customizer (com.lge.smartenabler). Just questions about what it is here on XDA and on Reddit, with no one apparently knowing the answer.
So you might be asking yourself why system apps for services and log-ins not intended for consumers (or intended only for specific regions/markets) are doing on our phones?
The simple answer, most likely, is that they probably want to maintain and update as few system images as possible and thus, try to make them as homogenous as possible, disabling things not intended for this market or that market, as needed. Considering how slow LG typically are in releasing new updates for even their newest phones (let alone their older ones that have not yet technically seen support hit end-of-life), I'm OK with them trying to keep down the number of system images they need to work on. Especially if they pre-disable stuff not relevant to us without us needing to do it ourselves.
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Yeah I found those links but didn't really know what I was reading. I completely understand why they would be on all devices for ease of update and production. I just didn't know what they were
Ryano89 said:
Yeah I found those links but didn't really know what I was reading. I completely understand why they would be on all devices for ease of update and production. I just didn't know what they were
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Now I kind of want to know what they are as well.
If I had to take a guess, I'd say that they're intended for either LG developers, sales reps, or repair technicians, and that these disabled services facilitate the servicing of devices when needed.
Mejilan said:
LG Package Disabler, or some such? I think it's still around.
I've heard of it, though I've never actually used it.
Nor do I know if it's been updated to support the V60.
Edit - I think this is it. And there's one review that suggests that it works on the V60.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdmdm.dmplay
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That app basically does the same as disabling the apps. It won't stop Chrome from re-enabling every day. I'll try your adb commands next. So tired of that crap app doing this
pre4speed said:
That app basically does the same as disabling the apps. It won't stop Chrome from re-enabling every day. I'll try your adb commands next. So tired of that crap app doing this
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I imagine the ADB commands will work. I don't plan on disabling Chrome, because I use it every day.
But when you zap a package using Fastboot, the app will still actually show up in your Apps listing under Settings, but it'll have a "not installed" next to it.
If you do a factory reset, they'll all revert and you'd need to use the Fastboot ADB commands to nuke them again.
So they're kind of half-gone.
It's not quite as comprehensive as using root to completely delete them from the system partition.
But it's the best we've got outside of root.
I can confirm this package disabler works to disable any app on the V60 which is literally the only thing I typically do when rooting now that I have adguard and youtube vanced... so I dont need root access anymore thanks to that package disabler app. The phone is also fast enough for me to not need access to any type of speed tweaking of the cpu or anything. This is the first phone I can use without root thanks to that dev.
I have significantly improved my charging speed issues and battery drain issues seem to finally drain at a normal rate rather than unexplainably quick. Everything I use still works, im experienced at minimal services tho from every device ive ever owned, pc and phone. Yes it does make a significant difference to not be running so many unnecessary processes.
lendawg said:
Has anyone here uses package disabler pro or adb to remove bloatware and/or system apps? If so which apps did you disable/remove? Did it affect performance and/or battery life at all?
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I can confirm this package disabler works to disable any app on the V60 which is literally the only thing I typically do when rooting now that I have adguard and youtube vanced... so I dont need root access anymore thanks to that package disabler app. The phone is also fast enough for me to not need access to any type of speed tweaking of the cpu or anything. This is the first phone I can use without root thanks to that dev.
I have significantly improved my charging speed issues and battery drain issues seem to finally drain at a normal rate rather than unexplainably quick. Everything I use still works, im experienced at minimal services tho from every device ive ever owned, pc and phone. Yes it does make a significant difference to not be running so many unnecessary processes.
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Do you have a list of what you disabled?
I have the tmobile varient... This is the xml contents of the things I disabled for a stock experience. Note: I dont use google voice assistant or any pen input, nfc, or always on display... I also use youtube vanced for youtube and poweramp for music. Those are notable things I disabled imo, everything else is just added bloat to stock Android 10. Dont disable any LG Home apps as they power the navigation and also dual screens, this is safe you wont get any device bricking errors, you can always go back and toggle things on and off to your liking but this is the xml export of apps I disabled. You could copy and paste this and save as xml to import into the service disabler.
Code:
<h>
<a class="java.util.ArrayList">
<string>com.android.LGSetupWizard</string>
<string>com.google.android.youtube</string>
<string>com.lge.sizechangable.weather.platform</string>
<string>com.android.dynsystem</string>
<string>com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox</string>
<string>com.lge.lgbroadcastradioservice</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcprovider</string>
<string>com.google.android.onetimeinitializer</string>
<string>com.lge.appbox.client</string>
<string>com.lge.quicktools</string>
<string>com.lge.mirrorlink</string>
<string>com.tmobile.m1</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.uimremoteclient</string>
<string>com.lge.sui.widget</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.qms.service.connectionsecurity</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcconnectivity</string>
<string>com.quicinc.voice.activation</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.telephonyservice</string>
<string>com.lge.gnsstest</string>
<string>com.tmobile.pr.mytmobile</string>
<string>com.lge.lifetracker</string>
<string>com.lge.smartshare.provider</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.uimremoteserver</string>
<string>com.google.ar.core</string>
<string>com.google.ar.lens</string>
<string>com.lge.myplace.engine</string>
<string>com.lge.pickme</string>
<string>com.ipsec.service</string>
<string>com.lge.diag.echolocate</string>
<string>com.android.carrierconfig</string>
<string>com.google.android.marvin.talkback</string>
<string>com.lge.launcher2.theme.optimus</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.work.oobconfig</string>
<string>com.android.hotwordenrollment.xgoogle</string>
<string>com.lge.smartshare</string>
<string>com.lge.icecontacts</string>
<string>com.android.egg</string>
<string>com.android.nfc</string>
<string>com.android.backupconfirm</string>
<string>com.lge.iftttmanager</string>
<string>com.lge.exchange</string>
<string>com.lge.wapservice</string>
<string>com.google.android.gm</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.tachyon</string>
<string>com.lge.nfwlocationattribution</string>
<string>com.lge.gnsslogsetting</string>
<string>com.lge.ia.task.smartsetting</string>
<string>com.lge.lgmapui</string>
<string>com.lge.lgworld</string>
<string>com.google.android.setupwizard</string>
<string>com.lge.gamelauncher</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qcrilmsgtunnel</string>
<string>com.facebook.services</string>
<string>com.android.printspooler</string>
<string>com.android.hotwordenrollment.okgoogle</string>
<string>com.android.dreams.basic</string>
<string>com.lge.gnsspostest</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.wellbeing</string>
<string>com.tmobile.pr.adapt</string>
<string>com.lge.abba</string>
<string>com.lge.cmas</string>
<string>com.lge.eula</string>
<string>com.lge.gcuv</string>
<string>com.lge.laot</string>
<string>com.lge.lms2</string>
<string>com.lge.jansky.service</string>
<string>com.lge.sizechangable.weather.theme.optimus</string>
<string>com.lge.entitlementcheckservice</string>
<string>com.lge.gestureanswering</string>
<string>com.google.android.syncadapters.contacts</string>
<string>com.android.chrome</string>
<string>com.google.android.tag</string>
<string>com.lge.gnss.airtest</string>
<string>com.lge.signboard.settings</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.walletnfcrel</string>
<string>com.lge.wifi.p2p</string>
<string>com.android.calllogbackup</string>
<string>com.google.android.partnersetup</string>
<string>com.lge.gallery.aodimagewidget</string>
<string>com.android.carrierdefaultapp</string>
<string>com.lge.gdec.client</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.remoteSimlockAuth</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcsettings</string>
<string>com.google.android.feedback</string>
<string>com.google.android.printservice.recommendation</string>
<string>com.android.managedprovisioning</string>
<string>com.lge.smartsharepush</string>
<string>com.lge.lgcontentsetting</string>
<string>com.lge.themeservice</string>
<string>com.tmobile.rsuadapter.qualcomm</string>
<string>com.ipsec.vpnclient</string>
<string>com.android.providers.partnerbookmarks</string>
<string>com.lge.qhelp.application</string>
<string>com.android.wallpaper.livepicker</string>
<string>com.facebook.system</string>
<string>com.ipsec.profile</string>
<string>com.lge.myplace</string>
<string>com.lge.hotspotprovision</string>
<string>com.lge.provider.signboard</string>
<string>com.lge.lgfota.permission</string>
<string>com.lge.lgaccount</string>
<string>com.lge.sizechangable.weather</string>
<string>com.google.android.projection.gearhead</string>
<string>com.lge.lgwallet</string>
<string>com.lge.eulaprovider</string>
<string>com.lge.bnr</string>
<string>com.lge.phonemanagement</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.services.secureui</string>
<string>com.lge.smartdoctor.webview</string>
<string>com.lge.smartenabler</string>
<string>com.lge.cic.eden.service</string>
<string>com.google.android.gms.location.history</string>
<string>com.facebook.appmanager</string>
<string>com.lge.leccp</string>
<string>com.lge.music</string>
<string>com.lge.qhelp</string>
<string>com.android.traceur</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.qms.service.trustzoneaccess</string>
<string>com.tmobile.rsuapp</string>
<string>com.tmobile.rsusrv</string>
<string>com.lge.gametuner</string>
<string>com.lge.signboard</string>
<string>com.lge.animal.resource</string>
<string>com.lge.snappage</string>
<string>com.lge.livemessage</string>
<string>com.lge.penprime</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcservice</string>
<string>com.google.android.inputmethod.latin</string>
<string>com.lge.sdencryption</string>
<string>com.lge.qmemoplus</string>
</a>
</h>
Again, all core phone features definately work like internet, messaging, phone calls, fingerprint, location, cameras, all of it as normal. There are a couple debatable apps like
com.lge.ia.task.smartsetting where I debate their impact on LGs battery management because I do believe it is possible for them to have added a particular app that improved on android 10s battery but for me im good with running with just things I know come with stock + dont break the system ui or dual screen functionality.
I just feel like companies with 1000s of employees force develop apps just to say they did something each week (+brag about in ads), and to act as if Google hasnt done a good enough job... usually companys have a couple solid apps but mostly bulky junk they think just because a phones specs are able to run a lot of things at once, its okay to toss in all kinds of extra code for the phone to have to deal with.
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Do you have a list of what you disabled?
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cqqx2 said:
I have the tmobile varient... This is the xml contents of the things I disabled for a stock experience. Note: I dont use google voice assistant or any pen input, nfc, or always on display... I also use youtube vanced for youtube and poweramp for music. Those are notable things I disabled imo, everything else is just added bloat to stock Android 10. Dont disable any LG Home apps as they power the navigation and also dual screens, this is safe you wont get any device bricking errors, you can always go back and toggle things on and off to your liking but this is the xml export of apps I disabled. You could copy and paste this and save as xml to import into the service disabler.
Again, all core phone features definately work like internet, messaging, phone calls, fingerprint, location, cameras, all of it as normal. There are a couple debatable apps like
com.lge.ia.task.smartsetting where I debate their impact on LGs battery management because I do believe it is possible for them to have added a particular app that improved on android 10s battery but for me im good with running with just things I know come with stock + dont break the system ui or dual screen functionality.
I just feel like companies with 1000s of employees force develop apps just to say they did something each week (+brag about in ads), and to act as if Google hasnt done a good enough job... usually companys have a couple solid apps but mostly bulky junk they think just because a phones specs are able to run a lot of things at once, its okay to toss in all kinds of extra code for the phone to have to deal with.
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Awesome thanks man!
No problem, I will update this later on this week. Whats funny is that was my stable backup but not my very latest tweaking, when I went to export my very latest list, the app has a button to enable all disabled apps and I accidentally pressed it, so I lost those settings but am working on making sure the very best options are enabled and disabled. I will be testing and tweaking to update this base list this werk to find the cleanest, performance and battery life... (by trying out before and after of certain debatable services)
If you use this list and find a feature is disabled you use and you dont know which app it was let me know (ex google assistant) I will let you know which apps you need to reenable.
Off the top of my head, device health services and qualcomms devicestatisticservice (id suggest disabling this one) and lgs smartcare are some apps that are debatable on whether or not they are best to enable or disable..
I play a lot of fortnite (I know I know) but its literally the most battery draining thing you can do especially when combined with a bluetooth controller at full brightness, so battery performance is easy for me to monitor.. Also I was having an absolute misreable time with this device before I came here and saw that nonroot package disabler program was a thing.
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Hey everyone, I wanted to share some tips on how to improve your phone's battery life. However, I also want to point out some negative aspects of the customizations and privacy practices by Samsung and Google. Here are my recommendations:
Turn off all Wi-Fi intelligent services - they are not necessary.
Disable Google's digital well-being by restricting usage data as it can drain your battery.
Use LTE instead of 5G and manually register your network instead of automatic registration.
Create routines based on time and Wi-Fi, not location-based.
When you get a new phone, charge it from 15% to 100% for at least three days so the device can learn on usage. Then, toggle to protect the battery.
Disable all Google unwanted services in the "Google" settings page, including Nearby devices, casting, reset ads, location sharing, nearby share, find my mobile, earthquake alerts, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth scanning, and send diagnostic data.
Enable Google location accuracy and Nearby devices scanning under Samsung settings.
Disable UWB, Samsung customization, ads, and marketing things, and send diagnostic data from Samsung settings.
You can use QHD, 120hz, and light performance modes without worrying about battery life.
Do not use any battery monitor applications.
Use alternatives for original apps, such as Frost for Facebook and Sync Pro for Reddit.
Do not put any apps in deep sleep.
Install the battery tracker, thermal guardian, and battery guardian from the Galaxy Store and leave them running for at least 10 days. Battery guardian will help you find shady apps that run in the background.
Disable the My Galaxy application.
Uninstall Samsung apps if you do not use them, such as Samsung Smart Device, Smart Tutor, and Samsung Pay.
Stop backing up your data automatically all the time, unless you are at risk of losing your phone.
Use a Samsung charger and cable for charging.
Use the Always On Display sparingly.
You can play games on this phone for a long time without battery issues as the phone does not overheat.
Disable Nearby Share and Quick Share and only use them when you need to.
Be mindful of the apps that require notifications, otherwise disable notifications for the apps you do not need.
Do not run location all the time; instead, create a routine that enables location when you open banking, grocery, food apps, or maps.
Do not use modded apps as they may have serious security issues. Instead, subscribe to real apps, such as Spotify, Medium, and Balance for Meditation.
If you have a Galaxy Watch Classic, do not use the step counter in your phone, and do not provide physical activity permission to the Samsung Health app. Your watch will count the steps and other workouts, and then it will automatically sync to your phone.
Turn off sync if you are not using it, such as Google Calendar or Keep Notes.
Turn off Bixby and OK Google if you are not using them to avoid data collection.
Enable 0.5x in the transition settings under developer options.
Uninstall all meta inbuilt apps through adb, but do not uninstall Samsung apps via adb as it may cause issues.
Use the app booster in Galaxy Good Guardian and run it once, then run it monthly.
Do not update your Samsung firmware right after its release. Wait for a few days and ask peers for feedback before updating the phone. This way, you can skip the current update and update the phone directly to the next version.
Avoid clearing the cache partition every time after an update. Instead, it's recommended to run the app booster after updating and charge your phone to 100% at least twice before using the battery protection feature.
Lastly, review your app permissions again after using your phone for a month and take necessary action to turn off or limit permissions if needed.
Thanks for reading! Feel free to comment if you have any ideas or settings that are shady!
Thank you for this IMHO good list off possible actions to save battery life - a lot of things are part of my regular "optimization" routines but a few new aspects are there, I'm happy to try them out
Some of the items sound contradictory to each other, but maybe this is because I am reaading them wrong:
E.g. #11 and #23, but maybe I misread what you mean by "modded"
Also I would be interested in a bit more background on #12 because i would have assumed that apps in deep sleep indeed are good for battery life and on top OneUI is adding devices to deep sleep automatically, so does #12 mean that it would be advisable to disable this functionality (if it can be disabled, not sure right now) ?
AD 9. 120 hz will not drain battery more than 60hz? I don't think so...
Thanks for the post. I do many of the things listed already, and some variations of others. But funnily enough, I do it not because of saving battery (the vast majority of the time, I "finish the day" with 60-70% battery remaining, meaning I don't really use my phone much or in ways that "power users" would - therefore, I'm not overly concerned about saving more battery), but because of security - for example, disabling nearby devices would reduce the chance of being "hacked" by this attack vector.
This also means minimising the installation of "third party" software, or even non-default Samsung software, as all software security experts would understand that increasing amount of software code in a device also increases the "surface area" for hacking to take place.
I've previously owned the S7, S9+, and S21 Ultra (all Exynos chips), and the S23 Ultra has the best battery life of them all (obviously relatively speaking). I think I haven't noticed such good battery life since the S7. I do still miss the S7's amazing standby drain with AOD always enabled - it was as low as ~0.5% per hour by default, which is unheard of now. Now it's closer to 1% per hour, and over a 12-18 hour day, that can "hurt" battery quite a bit. However, the convenience of having AOD always enabled trumps any battery concerns for me, especially considering I still "finish the day" with 60-70% battery remaining.
I guess one of the points I'm making with this post is that having AOD disabled (or tap to show etc) is probably the biggest battery saving tip in the entire list! In my opinion, practically all the others barely save any battery, if any. However, users will need to consider the convenience of AOD always enabled (eg. acts as a night clock, or quick way to check the time during the day by just glancing at the phone) verses saving battery.
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Thank you for this IMHO good list off possible actions to save battery life - a lot of things are part of my regular "optimization" routines but a few new aspects are there, I'm happy to try them out
Some of the items sound contradictory to each other, but maybe this is because I am reaading them wrong:
E.g. #11 and #23, but maybe I misread what you mean by "modded"
Also I would be interested in a bit more background on #12 because i would have assumed that apps in deep sleep indeed are good for battery life and on top OneUI is adding devices to deep sleep automatically, so does #12 mean that it would be advisable to disable this functionality (if it can be disabled, not sure right now) ?
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I'm also curious about #12, as I'd have thought it would overall save battery by not being able to be spontaneously woken up and/or send notifications. One counter-argument would be that if it's an app that you use at least relatively regularly, having to frequently keep "waking it up" might end up using overall more battery.
For #31, why is clearing cache partition not a good thing to do? Can someone direct me to what "app booster" is?
s3axel said:
Thank you for this IMHO good list off possible actions to save battery life - a lot of things are part of my regular "optimization" routines but a few new aspects are there, I'm happy to try them out
Some of the items sound contradictory to each other, but maybe this is because I am reaading them wrong:
E.g. #11 and #23, but maybe I misread what you mean by "modded"
Also I would be interested in a bit more background on #12 because i would have assumed that apps in deep sleep indeed are good for battery life and on top OneUI is adding devices to deep sleep automatically, so does #12 mean that it would be advisable to disable this functionality (if it can be disabled, not sure right now) ?
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Hi, thanks!
11 talks about alternatives
23 talks about modded apps like there are few modded apps like spotify premium modded where you don't require premium but still won't see ads.
12 will mess up your notifications at the initial, I would say that phone can handle that deep sleep recommendations so that you can take actions accordingly.
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For #31, why is clearing cache partition not a good thing to do? Can someone direct me to what "app booster" is?
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App Booster is part of the "Good Guardian" package, an app that can be downloaded via the Galaxy Store
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android updates and roms said:
Hey everyone, I wanted to share some tips on how to improve your phone's battery life. However, I also want to point out some negative aspects of the customizations and privacy practices by Samsung and Google. Here are my recommendations:
Turn off all Wi-Fi intelligent services - they are not necessary.
Disable Google's digital well-being by restricting usage data as it can drain your battery.
Use LTE instead of 5G and manually register your network instead of automatic registration.
Create routines based on time and Wi-Fi, not location-based.
When you get a new phone, charge it from 15% to 100% for at least three days so the device can learn on usage. Then, toggle to protect the battery.
Disable all Google unwanted services in the "Google" settings page, including Nearby devices, casting, reset ads, location sharing, nearby share, find my mobile, earthquake alerts, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth scanning, and send diagnostic data.
Enable Google location accuracy and Nearby devices scanning under Samsung settings.
Disable UWB, Samsung customization, ads, and marketing things, and send diagnostic data from Samsung settings.
You can use QHD, 120hz, and light performance modes without worrying about battery life.
Do not use any battery monitor applications.
Use alternatives for original apps, such as Frost for Facebook and Sync Pro for Reddit.
Do not put any apps in deep sleep.
Install the battery tracker, thermal guardian, and battery guardian from the Galaxy Store and leave them running for at least 10 days. Battery guardian will help you find shady apps that run in the background.
Disable the My Galaxy application.
Uninstall Samsung apps if you do not use them, such as Samsung Smart Device, Smart Tutor, and Samsung Pay.
Stop backing up your data automatically all the time, unless you are at risk of losing your phone.
Use a Samsung charger and cable for charging.
Use the Always On Display sparingly.
You can play games on this phone for a long time without battery issues as the phone does not overheat.
Disable Nearby Share and Quick Share and only use them when you need to.
Be mindful of the apps that require notifications, otherwise disable notifications for the apps you do not need.
Do not run location all the time; instead, create a routine that enables location when you open banking, grocery, food apps, or maps.
Do not use modded apps as they may have serious security issues. Instead, subscribe to real apps, such as Spotify, Medium, and Balance for Meditation.
If you have a Galaxy Watch Classic, do not use the step counter in your phone, and do not provide physical activity permission to the Samsung Health app. Your watch will count the steps and other workouts, and then it will automatically sync to your phone.
Turn off sync if you are not using it, such as Google Calendar or Keep Notes.
Turn off Bixby and OK Google if you are not using them to avoid data collection.
Enable 0.5x in the transition settings under developer options.
Uninstall all meta inbuilt apps through adb, but do not uninstall Samsung apps via adb as it may cause issues.
Use the app booster in Galaxy Good Guardian and run it once, then run it monthly.
Do not update your Samsung firmware right after its release. Wait for a few days and ask peers for feedback before updating the phone. This way, you can skip the current update and update the phone directly to the next version.
Avoid clearing the cache partition every time after an update. Instead, it's recommended to run the app booster after updating and charge your phone to 100% at least twice before using the battery protection feature.
Lastly, review your app permissions again after using your phone for a month and take necessary action to turn off or limit permissions if needed.
Thanks for reading! Feel free to comment if you have any ideas or settings that are shady!
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How do you do #2?
Why not put any apps into deep sleep?
I find #10 and #13 confusing... aren't those contradictory? also, couldn't find any battery guardian in the galaxy store...
carlosLondon said:
I find #10 and #13 confusing... aren't those contradictory? also, couldn't find any battery guardian in the galaxy store...
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You need to download "Good Guardian" in the Galaxy Store, Battery guardian is part of that App....
Battery monitor apps like BBS of course need some resources to run in the background and they are running 100% of the time to track battery usage...
The apps mentioned in #13 are at least Samsung apps, but of course these also may use background resources/battery - I would think to a lower extend as they are not running contiously but rather on a (relatively loose) schedule or even need to be triggered manually....
carlosLondon said:
I find #10 and #13 confusing... aren't those contradictory? also, couldn't find any battery guardian in the galaxy store...
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It's part of Galaxy Good Guardians. I don't use it.
Oddly App Booster used to be a bomb but the newest version has an added option. Now it runs really fast and it did help to really optimize SD Maid Pro for one. Ok then...
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