This phone is not causing interest in developers? It selled a lot and it has flagship features, but there is no custom rom or mods...is there a specific reason? Or simply it is not "good" for developers?
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There are mutliple reasons for this. On the one hand, realme is relatively careless with the publication of (current) sources, the basis for many modifications. In addition, the prerequisite is the Deep Test App, which unlocks the bootloader. Realme does not support all models, which one often does not know before, because realme probably has certain requirements for the support they do not clearly communicate. And probably with the most important reason is that you have no freely accessible MSM tool to ensure the possibility of self-restoring the phone in the case of a brick. There was only the sending to support, which is partially desastrous with realme. At that time I tried at the X50 Pro and was confronted with all the restrictions mentioned. Some points can now be watched at OnePlus since they have changed to the common code base of Coloros. All Custom Roms, etc. will be provided there on the original Oxigenos basis. Unfortunately it was to be expected. Therefore, at the OnePlus Community there were also a lot of concerns that have so far been confirmed ...
I thought that nowadays sources where avaible easily comparing years ago, I was wrong...I was "out of the scene" for 3-4 years so I was not updated with Realme things. All this it's really bad, because this phone is partially destroyed by Realme UI, too much bugs all over the interface.
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Hi guys, I'm a jailbroken iPhone 6S+ user. I'm currently a slave to Apple's ecosystem (iPad, Apple TV, Watch but not a Mac) I apologize for the wall of text below, but I know you guys are always glad to give a helping hand.
I've been using iOS since the iPod Touch 2G, taking a break for a couple months only in the Galaxy S3 days, which was my first and only android experience. Many iOS users are in the same boat as me.
Android was a whole different thing back then. Nowadays, when I see the curved, bright and saturated screen of an S7 and how well it pairs with the material design, I feel like I'd love to give that a spin. My problem is that I've been fed constant complaints on behalf of android users, using different handsets and at different times. Here are my main concerns:
I've always heard that, after a "honeymoon" period, almost without fail, all android handsets start to experience stuttering, freezing, rebooting, framerate drops, etc. (maybe one of those at a time, sometimes all of those are common occurrences) does this happen? This is the most important one for me, because if there's something that none of my iPhones ever suffered from, was reduced performance.
Software glitches which are mostly hardware-specific. I've visited the 6P subreddit, only to find a plethora of people complaining about the camera app freezing or crashing, some focus issue I believe as well, or maybe just reduced performance in other parts of the OS (which is the purest form of android). I've also heard that Samsung's bloatware, although only a fraction of what it was back on the S3 days, still causes the phone to feel sluggish at times. Haven't heard about Huawei or HTC bloatware, but I have watched reviews which mentioned some lag here and there.
Software updates. The whole ordeal of having to choose a phone thinking about whether it will get updates in the future or not is pretty sad. I know that Nexus phones are guaranteed to get updates for two years I believe, but as I stated before, visiting the 6P subreddit, I've seen people complain about Google updating the OS but leaving bugs unresolved for several iterations of it. How do you handle this when choosing a phone?
Customization. If there's one area that I've been always convinced Android was leaps and bounds ahead of iOS was this. However, as a jailbroken iOS user, I find that I get most of what you guys can get out the box, but in a prettier package. As in, jb tweaks are very tightly integrated and always match the OS look and feel. In Android, you work with apps or, after rooting, with "modules" I think they're called. How do these differ from JB tweaks (stability-wise as well)? How different is the process of waiting for root vs waiting for a JB? Is rooting as necessary as jailbreaking?
Lastly:
Apps. I am aware of the differences in general app quality when comparing the App Store and the Play Store. Big names such as FB, Twitter, Instagram, etc are mostly the same. But when you start digging a little bit deeper, you find that there's a big difference in not only availability, but also variety and polish. At least, that's how my experience was and what I tend to hear from Android users. How's the Play Store these days? Has this changed a bit?
I apologize once again for the wall of text. If you could answer each point with one or two lines I'd be immensely grateful. Honestly, since these points are big question marks in my head right now, I wouldn't even know what handset to look into, because I don't want to be unpleasantly surprised later on. Android screens though... Damn. Most of them are sexy.
Anyway, thank you very much for your time. Any help is deeply appreciated.
Stuttering/Freezing. You might find this on some low-end devices but the "flagship" devices that I've used haven't suffered from this. This would generally be caused by lower end hardware (lower clocked CPU and lower RAM).
Software glitches. I own the 6P and have never had the camera crash or freeze, never had any software issues with this phone actually. Samsung phones are pretty well known to suffer from being sluggy, this is due to their Touchwiz UI which hogs quite a bit of RAM. The HTC devices I've owned haven't had this issue. Can't speak for Huawei's own UI. The Huawei 6P uses pure Android, I don't notice any real lag issues on this phone.
Updates. If you want guaranteed software updates your best bet is a Nexus. I've noticed no major bugs on the 6P apart from a 4G bug that was specific to an Australian carrier but that was patched pretty quickly. There have been things in Android that people label as bugs that haven't been patched immediately though. Even if you choose a device that may not be updated officially you will very often be able to update via a custom ROM, custom ROMs are often developed for devices long after official support has stopped.
Customization. Android is definitely far ahead in terms of customisation. Most people find customisation via a custom ROM (a customised version of the OS, sometimes based on the stock OS, sometimes based on AOSP (Android Open Source Project or "pure Android"), sometimes based on something like CyanogenMod). A ROM will almost always have extra features and tweaks, these features are usually very well implemented and tie in very nicely with the OS. When speaking about modules you'd be referring to Xposed Modules which are used with the Xposed Framework. Xposed basically opens up a lot of customisation ability, it requires root, it can be used on a stock ROM with root or with a custom ROM. There are a plethora of modules available, too many to even begin to list, the best way to see what they can achieve is to look in our Xposed Modules section. As for root in general, you don't generally need to wait for root like you would with jailbreaking. Having root access is also far more flexible than jailbreaking, you can pretty much do anything with your phone, you have full access to the otherwise blocked system partition. Root methods will vary from device to device but you'll usually need an unlocked bootloader. The easiest devices to root and modify are the Nexus devices, they're designed to be tinkered with, development phones first and foremost.
Apps. In the early days of Android, and even up until a few years ago, the Play Store really lacked in terms of availability and quality. The last few years have seen a dramatic increase in both areas though, there's a wide variety available and the quality has become top notch.
In summing up, it looks like the worries you have are misconceptions commonly held by Apple users.
As a former board level apple technician who used the first ever apple products in kindergarten nearly 30 years ago, I must say I can't even use an iPhone. With all respect, most of your thoughts are not accurate.
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I was figuring buying a Spark X. I see the Spark series have no entry here, so I wander I had a good idea. Although, following various links here I think I found the man Porridgek3 works on this X model from a somewhat old COS13.0.2 (comparing to COS13.1.4 for others, e.g. Swift series).
Not being a coder myself I can't read the code at github, so I'd like if this is not stupid question/request to read a thread about what are the changes from stock COS13 to the Porridge custom CM13.
Thank you and happy new year to everyboby at XDA.
The Spark devices are pretty poor. They all have Mediatek processors and updates are much slower than for other Wileyfox devices.
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The Spark devices are pretty poor. They all have Mediatek processors and updates are much slower than for other Wileyfox devices.
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My aim is not to have a speed daemon. I search something with good and removable battery (Spark X has one and as about same hardware than Spark/Spark+, I guess the autonomy would be better), and I could easily remove the bloatware (stock CN13 would help, I believe, to switch to CMod if exists).
I currently have a Liquid-MT (my first smartphone) for which by chance there was a custom ROM available based on GB-2.3.6, and it was so difficult for me to jailbreak it that I decided to keep it as is until now when mechanical problems with the internal microphone make replacement nearly mandatory.
Also, I'm focused to keep as far away as possible from google and GAFAs I have no confidence in Samsung so I don't even try to know if their devices are easy to make free. That's why I was so happy to discover my target from a single European manufacturer (at least designer) that ships his own with CN, and I easily accept to have a poor camera inside, only 802.11bg and basic 4G. I also know that the Spark X has poor dpi compared to other Sparks because of larger screen, and accept this as a consequence of my decision on battery... an so on...
Not being very much aware in ROMs, I don't know by which tail to catch the beast. I don't really choose for a model, instead I exclude others: GAFA, big Broth, God keeps me away! High end... for tainted kids (or their backward parents), out! Chinese, let's them make phones for ... themselves. So what does remain? Here is my way.
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Hi, how did things go with the sparkx ? I have one here and after no updates for a long time the updates arrived and bumped to nougat and I began to feel like i was signing my life away.
A while back I found an old release of sailfish for my ZTE open C so ive been making steps towards porting sailfish to the sparkx. still in early stages but i am confident it is possible.
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My aim is not to have a speed daemon. I search something with good and removable battery (Spark X has one and as about same hardware than Spark/Spark+, I guess the autonomy would be better), and I could easily remove the bloatware (stock CN13 would help, I believe, to switch to CMod if exists).
I currently have a Liquid-MT (my first smartphone) for which by chance there was a custom ROM available based on GB-2.3.6, and it was so difficult for me to jailbreak it that I decided to keep it as is until now when mechanical problems with the internal microphone make replacement nearly mandatory.
Also, I'm focused to keep as far away as possible from google and GAFAs I have no confidence in Samsung so I don't even try to know if their devices are easy to make free. That's why I was so happy to discover my target from a single European manufacturer (at least designer) that ships his own with CN, and I easily accept to have a poor camera inside, only 802.11bg and basic 4G. I also know that the Spark X has poor dpi compared to other Sparks because of larger screen, and accept this as a consequence of my decision on battery... an so on...
Not being very much aware in ROMs, I don't know by which tail to catch the beast. I don't really choose for a model, instead I exclude others: GAFA, big Broth, God keeps me away! High end... for tainted kids (or their backward parents), out! Chinese, let's them make phones for ... themselves. So what does remain? Here is my way.
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Do you think this device will get custom rom support considering the price I reckon it will the only issue is the device is only available in india that being said oneplus only sells to a select group of countries
It will get custom roms, this phone will be available also in Europe and India.
I am planning to get this device. Earlier I was hell bent on getting Asus Zenfone 5Z which boasts of same configuration as OPO6, POCO F1. But then I saw how there is absolutely no development going on for the device! I am just hoping it doesn't happen with POCO F1.
Edit : https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-poco-f1-developer-community/
Sounds promising. It's upto the developers now if they think this device deserves some Custom ROMs love ?
Easier bootloader unlocking, Kernel sources on Day 1 and Flagship specs at the cheapest available price... Surely it will get Custom ROMs once a few flash sales are over and the device ends up in a few experienced developers' hands... It surely will be the Best selling SD845 mobile in India for the coming months since other competing phones are a bit old and costly... Expect to have really healthy development considering Xiaomi phones generally have a very active community for Custom ROMs...
Dang. I just bought a mint condition Oneplus 5T for $320. Did I make the wrong decision? xD
This thing will get a lot of custom roms!
I'll be honest. The best hope this device has is Indian developers. Mostly because they will need VOLTE which is not open source. Also most of the main developers for the major teams are based in the US where this device will not be, meaning that US devs wont be getting it, nor has xiaomi been forgiven by most of the devs here on XDA.
I think by the end of next month there will be lot of custom roms for Poco F1. Good gesture from Xiaomi. Supporting developer community.
No question about that, custom ROMs are coming, definitely. Just think about this - the max 2 has already been treble-ized and a custom ROM based on android 9 is in development.
Xiaomi will be releasing GSIs for this which will be very easily kangd into custom ROMs. No good reason why there won't be loads of development
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Xiaomi will be releasing GSIs for this which will be very easily kangd into custom ROMs. No good reason why there won't be loads of development
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There is a difference in custom roms and development. They are not the same. Xiaomi always has roms. But none are developing on the device or working directly for that device.
Also the gsi don't do any good. Not for custom roms. Those will be still have to be built per device.
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I'll be honest. The best hope this device has is Indian developers. Mostly because they will need VOLTE which is not open source. Also most of the main developers for the major teams are based in the US where this device will not be, meaning that US devs wont be getting it, nor has xiaomi been forgiven by most of the devs here on XDA.
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Those in NA might import it, but the deciding factor will likely be availability of source, and 3G/LTE band support on global variant. Americans don't incur an "import" fee/tax like in other countries, so price shouldn't be an issue.
Kernel source is due for release on August 29th.
Reportedly compatible with the following US networks (covering most bases, I reckon):
T-Mobile 3G, T-Mobile 4G, AT&T 4G, Plateau Wireless 3G, Union Wireless 3G, Viaero Wireless 3G, West Central Wireless 3G, U.S. Cellular 4G, Verizon 4G, C Spire 4G, ClearTalk 4G, iWireless 4G, Limitless Mobile 4G, Mosaic Telecom 4G
This phone is treble enabled, so you can directly flash GSI on this and will work flawlessly (as far i think)
I will try android pie gsi as someone releases treble enabled twrp for it. It will be on xda as soon people started getting phones
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I'll be honest. The best hope this device has is Indian developers. Mostly because they will need VOLTE which is not open source. Also most of the main developers for the major teams are based in the US where this device will not be, meaning that US devs wont be getting it, nor has xiaomi been forgiven by most of the devs here on XDA.
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Unavailability in US has been the case for almost all Xiaomi phones but the thing is Xiaomi mobiles in XDA has one of the most active development... Many device has recieved unofficial Treble ports and already about 10 or more device has working Android Pie builds... Considering Poco F1's price and specs it shouldn't be a surprise if it ever has the most active development in XDA...
I think many Indian devs are good as any other devs outside. And even if the phone is launching in India only, many devs living outside would also try to get there hands on global version because of how much this phone offers for the price. Also Xiaomi releasing kernel source is a great move to motivate devs and upcoming devs to build custom roms.
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Unavailability in US has been the case for almost all Xiaomi phones but the thing is Xiaomi mobiles in XDA has one of the most active development... Many device has recieved unofficial Treble ports and already about 10 or more device has working Android Pie builds... Considering Poco F1's price and specs it shouldn't be a surprise if it ever has the most active development in XDA...
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Getting ports is not development.
Price doesn't mean much in many places.
You are right. It has been and that is why none of the main developers of teams ever get the device.
I still have hope for this oem but we will see. They have a lot to make up for here with developers.
As for the most development. That sadly will belong to the pixel line. Which is what all the top developers get.
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Getting ports is not development.
Price doesn't mean much in many places.
You are right. It has been and that is why none of the main developers of teams ever get the device.
I still have hope for this oem but we will see. They have a lot to make up for here with developers.
As for the most development. That sadly will belong to the pixel line. Which is what all the top developers get.
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In India, price means a lot... That is why most Apple has such a bad market in India and companies like Xiaomi with value for money products have such a huge market here... There are really skilled Indian Developers who opt to buy such cheap but Good devices...
They themselves stated about bootloader unlocking and custom ROM flashing in the launch event... Xiaomi is one of those very few companies who encourage rooting and stuffs without voiding the warranty...
In My personal experience, Xiaomi devices have very strong community support in XDA, I personally have Redmi 3S, Redmi Note 5 Pro and Redmi 5A... My Friends have a wide range of Redmi devices and They all have a Great custom ROM supply...
Its all from My knowledge and thoughts, just a healthy change of idea...
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In India, price means a lot... That is why most Apple has such a bad market in India and companies like Xiaomi with value for money products have such a huge market here... There are really skilled Indian Developers who opt to buy such cheap but Good devices...
They themselves stated about bootloader unlocking and custom ROM flashing in the launch event... Xiaomi is one of those very few companies who encourage rooting and stuffs without voiding the warranty...
In My personal experience, Xiaomi devices have very strong community support in XDA, I personally have Redmi 3S, Redmi Note 5 Pro and Redmi 5A... My Friends have a wide range of Redmi devices and They all have a Great custom ROM supply...
Its all from My knowledge and thoughts, just a healthy change of idea...
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They are doing the same thing OEM have done before. Not to mention that they require to unlock the bootloader is bs.
To be honest, the only reason most devs even get the device is because xda buys it for them. That is why Franco supports the OEM.
I understand that is the way it is in India. That is why I said that it will most likely be developers from there that will need to focus on development. Not to mention that VOLTE is really needed in India and not anywhere else. Nor is it part of open source. So that will take an Indian dev to work on or there will be thousands of posts asking why VOLTE doesnt work. I talked to a few of the lead devs from different teams about the device and I got the same answer from all of them, they have zero interest in the device let alone the OEM. So one of their users will have to get the device and maintain it. Hell most wont even support this oem officially. But then you really cant blame the devs after what this company has done here.
I cant say about the device as I know zero people with the device and there is less then 1% chance that I even know anyone with the device form the OEM. But that could also be part of my job as they are banned along with ZTE and hauwei.
No 9.0 PIE ports for sd845?
I checked some sd845 phones like op6, mix2s, 5z, they dont have any custom roms based on 9.0. And they dont have too much custom roms like redmi note 5 pro or a1 etc. Can somebody guide me ??
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I used AOKP on Samsung and LG some years ago, and it was incredible. I've tried many other ROMs (like 2 a month for a year), it was not the same. crDroid came close, but is still lacking. I want to buy a new phone that is known to have very stable AOKP support. I'm talking about someone who's used the device for 6-12 months at least with no known issues (or minor issues that legit don't bother them), and uses almost every aspect of the ROM's features (I've seen phones that don't support the ribbon, for example, which is a deal breaker).
My budget is anywhere from $300-$1000, I don't really care, so long as the device has at least 2GB RAM and an OK processor.
I don't care too much about the GPU because modern games block rooted devices anyway.
Phone size etc doesn't matter, though I'd prefer bigger rather than smaller.
At least 1920x1080 res, but larger is fine.
I'd prefer very good battery life. I don't want a second hand phone as people tend to ruin batteries, and replacements tend to have terrible shelf lives.
Getdroidtips dot com has some phones listed (I can't post the exact link to the list because too low rep ). The Google Pixel XL looks like a very good choice, but it seems you can't buy them new anymore.
Any suggestions from existing AOKP users? All advice will be much appreciated.
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I'm not an AOKP user.
The latest AOKP Custom ROM is based on Android 8.1. A Custom ROM such as TWRP is required to flash it, what presupposes that device's bootloader can get unlocked.
So your options are restricted to Android devices a TWRP exists for and its bootloader can get unlocked.
A little bit of background: Back when pixel C (dragon) was released, it was using a chip from nvidia. Through time, when device stopped being maintained from Google, Nvidia drivers also went out of maintenance as well; meaning the developers faced big issues matching them with new Android versions. Now, while pixel C is still pretty much alive (I still use one myself), attempts to keep it up to date with third party roms are........ not completely successful.
So the question is this: Does the fact that Tensor chip is an exclusive SoC for Pixel affect development of third party roms in the future when Google drops support for them?
From what I've been reading Tensor is based off the current (or next?) gen Exynos, so it shouldn't delay developers in creating ROMs. At least, I hope that's the case as I am not crazy about stock A12 on my Pixel 6