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We now have a complimentary app on the app store for this A4D App.
What is A4D?
The goal of A4D is for us to move beyond just N1 make it an all in one flashing/upgrading/android utility. We just added a ROM library with MD5s. We are not going to be hosting the actual ROMs by themselves so if you report a dead link, they will be taken down (after a number of reports). You can also add your own ROMs as well into the library.
The ROM library will be supported by both Android and Desktop App. We are rewriting the Desktop apps so that we can do all 3 platforms in one, Linux, Windows, and Mac. You'll love the layout of the app. That's all we can say for now.
Oh one more thing. The android app won the best android app award at the Mobile in the Middle Hack-a-thon over the weekend in Chicago (on 3/6/2010).
I would like you guys to try out the app and tell us feedbacks. Also feel free to add your own ROMs to the Database and tell us how we can make the DB better. There a number of features we are trying to add as well. But with our full time jobs... things are going a little slower than we wanted. Sorry.
Requirements to run the app on Android: Amon_RA's recovery. That's what we tested it with.
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Can't wait to see if this is fool proof.
Add md5 check. Make it in this way: user have to enter/copy-past md5 hashsum from forum/site. Program calculates md5 of image and says image is good or bad. Also you can disable flashing with out this check. ;-)
good idea. Will do that. That will help with flashing screwed up downloads.
Hi
Thank you for sharing the application.
Does it flash the radio too? I mean CyanogenMod has two files a radio ROM and a CyanogenMod ROM. Does it flash both of them to the phone?
Thanks.
Radio flash is in there we took it out. May do so in the next release but radio flashing is dangerous (can brick phones) so...
Hey Lwin,
Nice concept man, this is gonna prove very handy for many peeps.
You've come up trumps again
So, this is a desktop application?
Does it flash ROM's from your desktop or copy them over and just run the commands on the phone for you?
I ask, as I'm having some problems flashing now, based round a slightly faulty Micro SD card. Does it store backups on the phone or on your desktop PC?
This program is written so you don't have to do command line commands. Everything else remains the same. If you are doing a Nand backup, it goes where it used to go.
I would recommend fixing your "slightly faulty Micro SD card" by getting a new card.
nice app for those that aren't familiar with cmd or jus pure...lazy lol
maybe the screens should be bigger as quite hard to see clearly whats available.
Pure Genius...
seraph1024 said:
Here is the GUI tool for unlocking, updating, restoring, flashing of the N1 (and in theory should work on all HTC androids).
Try it out and see if it is useful. The tool is made to help for people with very basic skills since the tool at this stage is a wrapper for the shell commands at this point.
Again, as usual, we take no responsibility for loss of sleep, loss of phone or screw ups on our side (due to app) or on your side (due to lack of ability to follow instructions).
I wish to make it more simple. We welcome feed backs.
Seraph1024 - ShadowPyro
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Hey Seraph, This is getting better and better everyday.. How is your windows and android port.. Oh and don't forget there little buddy, I need you on my Mobility Team when we arrive to the scene.. Android and Audi... Almost there....
Edit: Okay, can't run on Mac, of course will in VMware, can you please make this mac native too... It would be great as per what MooMoo said, for all who are lazy...
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This program is written so you don't have to do command line commands. Everything else remains the same.
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But I don't use command line now. I didn't realise anyone did. Do you not just boot into RA Recovery and flash from there?
shadowpyro said:
I would recommend fixing your "slightly faulty Micro SD card" by getting a new card.
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Thanks, I didn't ask for advice.
GodDriven said:
Hey Seraph, This is getting better and better everyday.. How is your windows and android port.. Oh and don't forget there little buddy, I need you on my Mobility Team when we arrive to the scene.. Android and Audi... Almost there....
Edit: Okay, can't run on Mac, of course will in VMware, can you please make this mac native too... It would be great as per what MooMoo said, for all who are lazy...
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There will be a mac port sometime this week. I can most likely port to linux too but if you know linux and if you have to use wrapper, you have an issue
install issues
I tried to install it but got a system update required....
extracted the sdk to the folder C:\android-sdk-windows
extracted android4dummies and clicked setup
I get a pop up with the following:
unable to install or run the application. the application requires that system assembly system.data, entry version 3.5.0.0 be installed in the global system cache.....???
What do I do now?
Sounds like the app uses .NET framework 3.5.
So goto microsoft website an get 3.5 .Net Framework.
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I tried to install it but got a system update required....
extracted the sdk to the folder C:\android-sdk-windows
extracted android4dummies and clicked setup
I get a pop up with the following:
unable to install or run the application. the application requires that system assembly system.data, entry version 3.5.0.0 be installed in the global system cache.....???
What do I do now?
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You do need .Net 3.5. It should have asked you, if not installed that as a prerequisite.
I went to MS and downloaded the .net 3.5 installed it (apparently it was already on my pc, so instead of installing I tried to repair it. no success....
pwvandeursen said:
I went to MS and downloaded the .net 3.5 installed it (apparently it was already on my pc, so instead of installing I tried to repair it. no success....
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Can you send us a screenshot.
Do not unzip into C:\android-sdk-windows. App will install SDK or search for the SDK there.
Unzip on your desktop or temp and install from there.
just to be clear, I unzipped adroid sdk and placed in the mentioned location. the android4dummies is extracted on the desktop and executed from there..
so should I remove the SDK and retry?
Not too sure if this belongs in Q and A... But I have a Titanium Backup folder copy on my PC. Well, when I try to delete the folder it causes the program to "not respond". So I bring up task manager and "end task". It then closes everything on my PC, and all the desktop icons disappear. There's nothing other then the wallpaper. Only thing that still works is task manager. Restart PC, try again. Same thing. Happens when I put the folder in recycle bin, or by deleting just some of the folder contents. I did some spring cleaning on the PC today, and this is the only problem I've had and its consistant, and specific to this folder. Any ideas on how to delete it?
Use Astro/file explorer/Root broswer to delete it from your device.
That would probably work to get it off my phone, but the problem is on my PC. when I was in newb stages I had a backup of a backup on my PC. It's just this one TB Backup file on my PC that is causing problems and wont delete.
You could move all the files to a folder except the TB Backup and just format the sd card. that could help.
Virus scan your pc, if you haven't already. Or boot into safe mode and that should allow you to delete the file. Or you could do a system restore.
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Virus scan your pc, if you haven't already. Or boot into safe mode and that should allow you to delete the file. Or you could do a system restore.
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Yeah, did a scan and it didn't pick anything up. But I had a hell of a trojan about a month ago and I was thinking it could possibly have to do with that. Although I did a very deep clean. I will give safe mode a shot. I got the PC from my parents with a bunch of virus/trojan issues only a few months ago, and because of all the cleaning and the other trojan I got....I'm not too positive a system restore will be good. I was going to create a new restore today since all has been great....until this.
Ok sounds like some spyware or malware. As said before boot into SAFE MODE, but select the SAFE MODE WITH NETWORKING. Go to http://www.superantispyware.com/ download the free version. Install it, then run superanti spyware. Select to do a COMPLETE SCAN not quick scan. On the next screen select HIGH BOOST and scan inside of ZIP files, which will use most of your cpu it will run about 80% just let it run because it will slow down anything else you try to do. After it is done get rid of the bad files, tracking cookies and/or any trojans left. Reboot the computer, but into safe mode with networking again. Then go to http://www.malwarebytes.org/ and download the free version and install. Run the complete scan in malwarebytes. Let that run and when it finishes is will ask for a reboot. Reboot, again and you should be good to go. I have seen this on teachers computers at least weekly, because of the stupid Ransom WARE. If that doesn't work than my last suggestion would be download combofix from bleepingcomputer and run that. Hope this helps a lil
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Yeah, did a scan and it didn't pick anything up. But I had a hell of a trojan about a month ago and I was thinking it could possibly have to do with that. Although I did a very deep clean. I will give safe mode a shot. I got the PC from my parents with a bunch of virus/trojan issues only a few months ago, and because of all the cleaning and the other trojan I got....I'm not too positive a system restore will be good. I was going to create a new restore today since all has been great....until this.
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Let me know if the safe mode works.
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dont forget to check the permissions of the folder itself tooif windows doesnt let you find them and you have two new choices so keep us all posted
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Ok sounds like some spyware or malware. As said before boot into SAFE MODE, but select the SAFE MODE WITH NETWORKING. Go to http://www.superantispyware.com/ download the free version. Install it, then run superanti spyware. Select to do a COMPLETE SCAN not quick scan. On the next screen select HIGH BOOST and scan inside of ZIP files, which will use most of your cpu it will run about 80% just let it run because it will slow down anything else you try to do. After it is done get rid of the bad files, tracking cookies and/or any trojans left. Reboot the computer, but into safe mode with networking again. Then go to http://www.malwarebytes.org/ and download the free version and install. Run the complete scan in malwarebytes. Let that run and when it finishes is will ask for a reboot. Reboot, again and you should be good to go. I have seen this on teachers computers at least weekly, because of the stupid Ransom WARE. If that doesn't work than my last suggestion would be download combofix from bleepingcomputer and run that. Hope this helps a lil
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Yeah, I did something like this in order to get the last trojan off. I tried/have a million virus/anti-malware programs, of course only one active now which is the malwarebytes one. The trojan I had was a Win32/Sirefef one, can't remember specifically which one. But I did have to do a combo fix and I continued to check for about a week after....all was good.
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Let me know if the safe mode works.
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Will do.
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dont forget to check the permissions of the folder itself too if windows doesnt let you find them and you have two new choices so keep us all posted
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I didn't check the actual permissions, will do that too.
Thank you all for the ideas/help. Much appreciated! Won't be back to the PC until tomorrow, will let you know what I find.
Update... Ran multiple virus scans and nothing showed up on any of them. Tried deleting folder in safe mode, but it still froze up without any icons. Still did the same if I tried erasing only one of the files in the TB folder itself. Permissions were set normal, as other files that I erased with no issues. Ended up erasing all my other phone backups (twrp, etc...) that were in the "BACKUPS" folder, the same folder the TB folder was in. Then I erased the "BACKUPS" folder itself with the TB one in it, and that seemed to do it. Definetly weird, but at least I got it deleted.
Your asking I. The wrong place buddy. This is for EVO 3d questions.
Have you tried to even search about it.
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Update... Ran multiple virus scans and nothing showed up on any of them. Tried deleting folder in safe mode, but it still froze up without any icons. Still did the same if I tried erasing only one of the files in the TB folder itself. Permissions were set normal, as other files that I erased with no issues. Ended up erasing all my other phone backups (twrp, etc...) that were in the "BACKUPS" folder, the same folder the TB folder was in. Then I erased the "BACKUPS" folder itself with the TB one in it, and that seemed to do it. Definetly weird, but at least I got it deleted.
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what you need to do to avoid all this is just download any linux live version... i personally use hirens boot cd 15... once downloaded take the image and either burn it do a cd or use a linux installer... i use pendrivelinux load that up and let it install your boot cd to your usb thumb drive....once that is completed reboot your computer and as it reboots have it load the usb drive first once that loads up you then can boot into partition magic and use linux's permissions and rights to over take windows permissions does that all automatically.... from there you right click and delete....need help or info feel free to pm me
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Your asking I. The wrong place buddy. This is for EVO 3d questions.
Have you tried to even search about it.
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I'm asking in the wrong place...is that what u meant? Read from the original post. If it was that far out of the wrong place, it would more then likely have been moved by now. I always search, and search for awhile before posting. It seemed somewhat relative to me do to the fact the file came from my evo3d, and is a file made by an android app everyone rooted uses. I was also aked yo give an update on the problem.
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what you need to do to avoid all this is just download any linux live version... i personally use hirens boot cd 15... once downloaded take the image and either burn it do a cd or use a linux installer... i use pendrivelinux load that up and let it install your boot cd to your usb thumb drive....once that is completed reboot your computer and as it reboots have it load the usb drive first once that loads up you then can boot into partition magic and use linux's permissions and rights to over take windows permissions does that all automatically.... from there you right click and delete....need help or info feel free to pm me
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Thanks, this was originally what I was after...but in a windows software program. BUT....I will more then likely do this anyway. Slowly working the noob out...but there's SOOOOOOOOO much to learn (still), I feel overloaded sometimes. I'm in the process of downgrading hboot on the 3d, and downgrading iOS and performing a jailbreak on my old 3g so the boss and kids stop whining at how slow it is and why there's still a phone button on it...lol.
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I'm asking in the wrong place...is that what u meant? Read from the original post. If it was that far out of the wrong place, it would more then likely have been moved by now. I always search, and search for awhile before posting. It seemed somewhat relative to me do to the fact the file came from my evo3d, and is a file made by an android app everyone rooted uses. I was also aked yo give an update on the problem.
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Have you even tried formating the sdcard?
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Ohhhhh boy.
gokart2 said:
Ohhhhh boy.
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is this a good ohhhhh boy?
Just a quick note for anyone strolling in. I am still supporting this modification. If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to post.
Hello everyone. Hopefully this hasn't been done before. This mod is a bit more of a fun one (In my humble opinion ).
You may have noticed that when you connect your phone up to a computer, while booted into a Sense-based ROM, the phone will mount two drives -- one being a mass storage device, and the other being a CD-ROM drive. Interestingly enough, when you select HTC Sync Manager from the USB connection type list, it makes the computer think that you inserted a CD-ROM.
That's interesting because that means that you could essentially hook the phone up to just about any computer, and it would recognize that "CD-ROM drive."
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Background
I found that you can actually change that CD-ROM to just about anything you could possibly want (having some trouble with bootable ISOs though).
There is a file named PCTOOL.ISO inside the /system/etc directory that normally contains the HTC Sync Manager Software. By replacing that ISO with another, it'll mount that one instead. Because there isn't too much room to spare in the /system partition, the file should probably be kept relatively small.
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Okay. Why does this matter? I can think of two reasons:
1. ROM Developers can include a package that contains a copy of the ADB and Fastboot executables within their ROM. ADB would be useful while the device is on; Fastboot would probably have to be copied to the computer.
2. Because the ISO is mounted as Read-Only media, it could be incredibly useful for field technicians who need to run portable software, without the risk of being infected with a virus on the host machine.
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Info/Download
It's not hard to create these ISOs, and flash them to the phone. I can put up a how-to in the second post if anybody would like me to.
For now, here's a flashable zip containing ADB and Fastboot executables for Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X.
Just flash the file like you would flash any other.
There is an old version of the PCSC.apk in this file. A newer version is here for the time being.
Download
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How to use
To use it, while booted, change the device-connection type to HTC Sync Manager. Tap 'Done'. You'll likely see a message on the phone that says "Connecting to HTC Sync Manager ..." Just tap the back button on your phone to clear that message.
On your computer:
If you're running Windows, you may get an AutoPlay window that gives you the option to launch the "ADB and Fastboot Command Prompt." If you click that, you'll get a Command Prompt Window that's pointed at the drive already. To use any of the commands, just type adb [COMMAND], or fastboot [COMMAND] (again, fastboot may be useless unless copied to the computer).
If you don't get an AutoPlay window, open up the CD-ROM drive, and double-click on the 'ADB_FASTBOOT_SHELL.BAT' icon to bring up the window. That batch file contains only one command (just to launch the Command Prompt to the CD location).
If you're running Linux, you may have to copy the binaries over to your computer to use them (they may not have correct permissions).
On Mac OS X, you'll likely have to open a terminal window and navigate to the CD-ROM drive to use them.
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I know that this isn't anything huge, but I'll put this down here anyways. Developers, if you are interested in the ADB/Fastboot ISO or flashable ZIP, and would like to include it in your ROM, please feel free to do so. Modify it however you like. Only thing that I would ask of you is that you post here (or even PM me) saying that you used it. I'd just love to see if/where it's being used. This isn't a strict requirement though. Thanks!
Disclaimer: I am not responsible for anything that happens (including, but not limited) to your phone, computer, Sprint contract, etc. This is provided free of charge without any warranty.
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This is extremely interesting to me my friend. I ordered a 64gb sd so i could store pc repair programs such as hiren or others. So i woild always have with me. If i could just load a iso. God that would kick but. Id have a few o.s so ready at all times lol
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I definitely like the idea and possibilities this has. Good find, Closeone! I am goin to download just to keep for future. As I am only rooted stock, but I do plan to unlock soon. Was waiting on s-off but doubt that'll happen anytime soon, being that u can still flash kernels n etc with just unlocked bootloader.
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When I connect my EVO to my PC running Windows 7 64 bit , it doesn't recognize it as MTP (Thank God, by the way....IMO), it mounts as a normal USB flash drive. I didn't install HTC Sync, so I am not sure if that has anything to do with it.
Are you referring to bone stock and you click on the Disk drive icon or the HTC Sync Manager when you plug in?
Just curious if I am using drivers that maybe others might get use of...
kaos420 said:
This is extremely interesting to me my friend. I ordered a 64gb sd so i could store pc repair programs such as hiren or others. So i woild always have with me. If i could just load a iso. God that would kick but. Id have a few o.s so ready at all times lol
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Thanks! I'm not sure about the ability to boot. I did try a bootable ISO, which unfortunately was unable to boot. I may have to look closer into this. Also, the size restriction might hold you back. I wouldn't load a huge ISO into the /system partition, but there is one of two different things might be able to be done. One would be to possibly symlink the ISO and have it load from another place, the second would be to modify where the software would load the ISO from. Humm...
drewski83 said:
I definitely like the idea and possibilities this has. Good find, Closeone! I am goin to download just to keep for future. As I am only rooted stock, but I do plan to unlock soon. Was waiting on s-off but doubt that'll happen anytime soon, being that u can still flash kernels n etc with just unlocked bootloader.
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Thanks, drewski83!
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When I connect my EVO to my PC running Windows 7 64 bit , it doesn't recognize it as MTP (Thank God, by the way....IMO), it mounts as a normal USB flash drive. I didn't install HTC Sync, so I am not sure if that has anything to do with it.
Are you referring to bone stock and you click on the Disk drive icon or the HTC Sync Manager when you plug in?
Just curious if I am using drivers that maybe others might get use of...
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The only way, I believe, that the system will mount the phone as MTP (or is it PTP in this implementation?) is by selecting the Media sync option when connecting. The two advantages I see to mounting it this way are that the SD Card doesn't have to be dismounted while connected, and the device shows both the "Internal SD" and the actual SD Card as separate drives that you can copy files to and from.
I haven't installed HTC Sync either. I'm referring to most any Sense-based ROMs for this device. If the phone doesn't give you a choice, it's possible that it's still hidden in the notification menu. If not, you can change that by going into Settings > Connect to PC, and tap Ask me, or you can change the default connection type from within that menu as well.
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Closeone, you are awesome.
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Closeone, you are awesome.
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Thank you -Cupper-. You are awesome, good sir!
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bump for awesomeness
Quick question...if you flash this mod, do you have to reflash it every time a new ROM is flashed? Thanks in advance
bard77 said:
Quick question...if you flash this mod, do you have to reflash it every time a new ROM is flashed? Thanks in advance
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Hi bard77. Yes. When you flash a new ROM, system data will (should) typically be wiped. This is written there. It's simple to flash however.
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good stuff!! thanks
Just freakin' sweetness man. Pure epic find!
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Androidious said:
Just freakin' sweetness man. Pure epic find!
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Agreed, nice work closeone. This is amazing.
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good stuff!! thanks
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Androidious said:
Just freakin' sweetness man. Pure epic find!
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Agreed, nice work closeone. This is amazing.
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Thanks guys.
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Closeone, good job on finding this!
I do computer repair, and I currently have an external 2.5" drive set up to be bootable to a Grub bootloader. From Grub, I can boot any ISO or boot partition on the drive. With the Sync Manager emulating a CD-ROM drive instead of showing up as a disk drive, it would be a huge advantage for booting, letting any computer (especially older ones) recognize it.
If you could find a way to keep the phone in Sync Manager even when it's not connected, the computer's BIOS should be able to see it as a CD-ROM and boot from it. As it is now, my BIOS won't see it because it's not treating the phone like a USB device. It would be excellent if you could map to an ISO on a different partition. Another option is to have the loaded ISO simply bring up a bootloader to boot from any ISO/partition you want, though this takes away the advantage of the selected ISOs being recognized as a CD-ROM drive. Grub can have problems when you boot from an ISO of a live CD and the booted OS needs to access the disc. The OS can't find a CD-ROM, so it doesn't work.
If you could successfully map this to an ISO on the SD card, you could even build a little app to let you choose which ISO you want to be selected. You could simply have it remap to the different folders with the respective PCTOOL.ISO files. For example, if you select "Acronis" from the app menu, it would direct it to sdcard/acronis/PCTOOL.ISO, and if you select "Ubuntu," it would map to /sdcard/Ubuntu/PCTOOL.ISO.
I hope this is all clear enough. Once I read this, I got pretty excited about all the possibilities!
This is going to be awesome if things can be modified to make this a bootloader. I would even donate for this functionality if someone wanted to tackle it.
Having the ability to have things like UBCD, Win XP PE (With Antivirus / MalwareBytes), etc as options running straight from my phone would be a computer guy's dream.
jamiphar said:
Closeone, good job on finding this!
I do computer repair, and I currently have an external 2.5" drive set up to be bootable to a Grub bootloader. From Grub, I can boot any ISO or boot partition on the drive. With the Sync Manager emulating a CD-ROM drive instead of showing up as a disk drive, it would be a huge advantage for booting, letting any computer (especially older ones) recognize it.
If you could find a way to keep the phone in Sync Manager even when it's not connected, the computer's BIOS should be able to see it as a CD-ROM and boot from it. As it is now, my BIOS won't see it because it's not treating the phone like a USB device. It would be excellent if you could map to an ISO on a different partition. Another option is to have the loaded ISO simply bring up a bootloader to boot from any ISO/partition you want, though this takes away the advantage of the selected ISOs being recognized as a CD-ROM drive. Grub can have problems when you boot from an ISO of a live CD and the booted OS needs to access the disc. The OS can't find a CD-ROM, so it doesn't work.
If you could successfully map this to an ISO on the SD card, you could even build a little app to let you choose which ISO you want to be selected. You could simply have it remap to the different folders with the respective PCTOOL.ISO files. For example, if you select "Acronis" from the app menu, it would direct it to sdcard/acronis/PCTOOL.ISO, and if you select "Ubuntu," it would map to /sdcard/Ubuntu/PCTOOL.ISO.
I hope this is all clear enough. Once I read this, I got pretty excited about all the possibilities!
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This is going to be awesome if things can be modified to make this a bootloader. I would even donate for this functionality if someone wanted to tackle it.
Having the ability to have things like UBCD, Win XP PE (With Antivirus / MalwareBytes), etc as options running straight from my phone would be a computer guy's dream.
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Apologies for my late response. I've been... tied up for the last couple weeks.
Thanks. Precisely. I thought that it would be a nice tool for technicians. I work in that field myself. There are a few problems that I noticed with how the PCTOOL.ISO is accessed. From my understanding, I believe that the problem with reading it from the SD Card (Internal Memory or External) is that it doesn't expect that it's going to be reading from a FAT32 formatted partition. It gets a bit more difficult with the fact that a huge ISO really probably shouldn't be placed in your system partition. Making it bootable is messy (I mean, it was intended for a completely different use in the first place though ). At the very least, an ISO with your favorite portable applications can be put in there and loaded up when needed. That alone is very valuable because it acts as read-only media, the phone can't be infected with anything nasty from the computer you plug it into.
Thanks again!
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Why could we not partition a section of the SD card as EXT3 or whatever PCTOOL.ISO wants to see, then create a symalink as mentioned? Nothing says the entire SD card has to be partitioned FAT32. I actually had part of mine partitioned as EXT2 for the longest time, because the card wasnt always in my phone.
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Why could we not partition a section of the SD card as EXT3 or whatever PCTOOL.ISO wants to see, then create a symalink as mentioned? Nothing says the entire SD card has to be partitioned FAT32. I actually had part of mine partitioned as EXT2 for the longest time, because the card wasnt always in my phone.
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True. True. I didn't think about that. The first thing that's got to be done though is making the phone mount the ISO, or at least not wait for a request from the computer to go ahead and make the phone pop up with the menu of actions, and in turn say to the computer "Hi there, I see that you're booting. I'm a USB CD-ROM drive. Oh yeah, and you can boot from me now." Easier said than done, at least for myself.
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Just as the title says, I'm curious if there exists a touch (or hardkey, i.e. volume up/down and windoes key) enabled bootloader.
Currently i have to press arrow keys and enter to select either windows or android.
Is there such a thing? It would be amazing. Id rather not have to stop at the keyboard to boot to an os from grub.
Thanks in advance!
Well .. I had suffered from this problem for longtime and finally I solved by an app called android-x86 installer it's the only way to boot from your Windows tablet without keyboard at last what I ended up with .. so yo have to download an old version I recommend the ALPHA version and install it with android-x86 installer 2.4 UEFI version after finished installing you have to download the latest version of remix OS and extract with 7zip or winrar then replace all file with the same name in folder androidOS that the direction of ALFA you already installed now You can boot with two ways either from settings/update / recovery and then press restart now at advanced startup then after reboot choose "use a device " and last thing chose android OS wait 9 seconds in grub2 an finally the remixOS will boot or by simply choose android OS from boot menu by volume Up/down
Boot solution for XPS 12 9250
Will thank you for this post when my 'Thanks!' get replenished on XDA. I'm still only using windows 10 on this tablet PC.
It is not clear to me is this is dual boot Android/Windows, my understanding is that this particular usage of the Linux grub bootloader only boots to Remix OS which is android. Grub, as you know does have dual boot capabilities, but maybe not yet on the XPS 12 9250.
Sorry, but the instructions are not step-by-step details for me, and I seem to be not smart enough to follow them. Could you point me to a 1..., 2..., 3.... please?
Please update or PM me whenever you feel you have found a better boot solution for our 9250's. I will be most grateful.
namitutonka said:
Will thank you for this post when my 'Thanks!' get replenished on XDA. I'm still only using windows 10 on this tablet PC.
It is not clear to me is this is dual boot Android/Windows, my understanding is that this particular usage of the Linux grub bootloader only boots to Remix OS which is android. Grub, as you know does have dual boot capabilities, but maybe not yet on the XPS 12 9250.
Sorry, but the instructions are not step-by-step details for me, and I seem to be not smart enough to follow them. Could you point me to a 1..., 2..., 3.... please?
Please update or PM me whenever you feel you have found a better boot solution for our 9250's. I will be most grateful.
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Grub can chainload the entry just fine. And when using the official tool it auto-adds an entry if it detects Windows is installed, which it will be as it's a windows tool [unless running via wine] it'll add an entry for it.
Without the tool you can do it manually. Personally I have a second easy to access efi partition that I use, if you want to do the same download a partition manager like minitool and confirm that you have 16MB of unallocated space between your efi and C: drive and I'll dig up a post/walk you through the rest tomorrow
HypoTurtle said:
Grub can chainload the entry just fine. And when using the official tool it auto-adds an entry if it detects Windows is installed, which it will be as it's a windows tool [unless running via wine] it'll add an entry for it.
Without the tool you can do it manually. Personally I have a second easy to access efi partition that I use, if you want to do the same download a partition manager like minitool and confirm that you have 16MB of unallocated space between your efi and C: drive and I'll dig up a post/walk you through the rest tomorrow
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Very excited to pursue this, but this week is filled with close family coming here to stay for our only holiday celebration. Will post back here when I get that unallocated space, after creating a backup of the current system. May use Gparted, but will check out minitool as well.
Walk through, dual boot Remix OS + Win10 on XPS 12 9250
@HypoTurtle
Waiting on a second USB-C to USB cable so I can boot a Macrium Reflect flash drive and backup a restorable PC image to an external Hard drive. After I'm sure I can restore this image I'll try to install Remix OS.
This youtube link is straightforward and simple to follow for the dual boot installation process. I've seen many reporting hardware/software issues on the many XDA forum threads branching off of "Remix OS for PC". So obviously one size does not fit all. Compiling and replacing different Linux kernels, editing grub.cfg, initrd.img, system.img, data.img.... The very worse thing on xda forums are ignorant end-user whiners like me who want instant gratification with their perfectly working phone or tablet. This vast forum has so many xda-developers, steeped in code, gaining and sharing trial and error knowledge. So many thousands of threads where xda-developers are taken for granted to lay solutions into end-user's laps. So many of us end-users are oblivious to this baby sitting. I will try the time consuming and painstaking learning curve. The least knowledgeable member on xda-forums should try to learn and not be spoon fed. It is essential, whatever our capacity, to all become developers interested in expanding the usefulness of our devices over and above the limited and constrained manufacturer's parameters.
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Live Linux System:
It can be run on any Computer as:
Burn into a CD, or USB Flash Drive, boot into any Computer
Run it as a Virtual Machine using any Virtualization Software
355 MB iso file
Click HERE to Download HP_Touchpad Novacom Repair Android
Novacom Drivers to load:
TPToolBox by jcsullin -- Reflash battery A6 Firmware ( Only)
Create Boot -- Repair boot
TWRP Recovery 3.2.1 by Flintman -- Flash any Android ROM
Wipe All Create Android with Swap Partition -- Make Tablet 100% Android with Swap
Make changes to Android
Android Debug Bridge ( ADB ) -- Control and make changes to Tablet using TWRP Recovery or Android
Media Transfer Protocol ( MTP ) -- Transfer files using TWRP or Android
Ramdisk -- Customized all settings for the Tablet
VNC Server -- Allows to control a connected HP Touchpad from anywhere.
VNC Viewer -- Connect to VNC Server to make changes to any connected HP Touchpad
Web Browser -- Download any ROM or flash file need it to update the HP Touchpad.
How to Videos:
User Interface
Load the ToolBox
Ramdisk from zip flash files
Ramdisk from /boot uImage
Screenshots:
How to Burn the ISO file onto a CD; USB Flash Drive or use it as a Virtual Machine
The Palm Novacom Driver is the essential to communicate with the HP Touchpad to repair it, if is not booting into the moboot menu.
The drivers are not been updated and must be install on old Operating System to work properly. As new PC Operating System are updated the Palm Novacom Driver may become unstable or not work at all.
The provided ISO file is a Puppy Linux 32 bit compatible with Ubuntu Bionic (Latest version)
Click HERE for the Original Version of BionicPup32
Click HERE for the Puppy Linux Main Web Page
Basic instructions:[/U][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR]
To burn the ISO file to a CD, use the Operating System software or the free ImgBurn.exe for Windows
Click HERE for ImgBurn for Windows
Use it in a Virtual Machine
Click HERE for Virtual Box
Click HERE for VM WARE Player
To create a boot-able Live USB drive using UNetbootin:
Click HERE to Download UNetbootin for Windows, Linux and MacOS
Good news HP_TOUCHPAD,
It seems like I am the first 'layman' to install HP_TOUCHPAD's Novacom repair tool.
I feel like the first man on the moon! Because it was quite an adventure.
First I had to mount an E: drive using Virtual Clone Drive software so I could place the HP_Touchpad_Novacom_Repair_Android.iso file on that drive. This step did not need to be done, but I am glad I did it because I was able to see all the indivual files that made up the .iso file. As you see in the below pic on drive E:
Then I installed and ran the VM player and loaded the .iso file, but it was complaining that the setting vt-X had to be enabled. So I actually had to go into my PC's BIOS to enable that setting. But as you see in the below pic everything is working now, I just plugged in my Touchpad to my PC, and ran the Toolbox option, and would you believe it, the toolbox came up on my Touchpad, and then I reset the batteries A6 firmware with it. I also tested the WipeAll icon and it also worked with success.
So this tool that HP_TOUCHPAD has created would make J.C. Sullins proud.
DoubleStuff said:
Good news HP_TOUCHPAD,
It seems like I am the first 'layman' to install HP_TOUCHPAD's Novacom repair tool.
I feel like the first man on the moon! Because it was quite an adventure.
So this tool that HP_TOUCHPAD has created would make J.C. Sullins proud.
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You did it the hard way and congratulations!
There is no need to mount the ISO file.
In the Virtual Machine Software, on your case VM Ware Player, just select the ISO file as the operating system to install, remember there is no installation is a Live CD. On the Virtual Machine settings it only needs 1GB of RAM to run or less. Just Run the Virtual Machine and as it shows, once you connect the Tablet to the host then it will ask if you want to connected to the guest machine. Using a Virtual Machine allows not to reboot your Main PC ( host ).
There is no worries about upgrading windows or any OS in fear that the Palm Novacom driver will stop working.
This should work in a Virtual Machine environment for EVER until we die, because the Tablet will keep working.
Burning a CD or a USB flash drive will allow to boot into any PC, anywhere you go. If anyone finds an HP Touchpad in a dumpster somewhere, using this ISO will provide everything need it to have all done from a complete data reset, to the ToolBox and installing any ROM !
HP could have done the same and use the WebOS Dr, on a Linux CD, providing the Palm Novacom drivers and all the details, it would have avoid a lot of confusion with the boot symbols, but to save half a penny it was not included in the box with the Tablet and now the Palm web site is down with no option for a regular user to get the Tablet working. The ToolBox is an Arm Linux architecture of 67MB that loads into memory.
I'll leave all this hocus pocus to your guys. I have two Windows 10 laptops with Novacom drivers installed and they work fine. I did have the one PC where the driver became corrupted, but a simple uninstall/ reinstall fixed it without issue. I personally don't subscribe to one must use a PC with an old operating system installed to get Novacom to work. BTW, what do you call an old operating system, XP? After 9 years of playing of with TouchPads, I have never had a problem installing or using Novacom. Any driver can become corrupted on any PC and a simple reinstall will fix it. I have never not been able to fix a driver issue on any PC that reinstalling the driver did not fix the issue. I am not saying that your method does not have a place in someone's software toolbox. But Novacom is so easy to install. Just right click on the Novacom Installer and click "Install" and in few seconds, it is installed. Put the TPTBv42, TWRP or WipeAll batch files in the Palm, Inc. folder and run them. That just seems so much easier than burning ISO's to CD' s or thumb drives or in VM's and watching all these tutorials to learn how to use your Novacom Repair method. I'm not a software junkie like you guys. I like straight forward and simple. And one click to install Novacom is SIMPLE!
Hats off to you HPTP for creating an interesting method. Just not my cup of tea.
Smithy
smithylovestouchpad said:
I'll leave all this hocus pocus to your guys. I have two Windows 10 laptops with Novacom drivers installed and they work fine. I did have the one PC where the driver became corrupted, but a simple uninstall/ reinstall fixed it without issue. I personally don't subscribe to one must use a PC with an old operating system installed to get Novacom to work. BTW, what do you call an old operating system, XP? After 9 years of playing of with TouchPads, I have never had a problem installing or using Novacom. Any driver can become corrupted on any PC and a simple reinstall will fix it. I have never not been able to fix a driver issue on any PC that reinstalling the driver did not fix the issue. I am not saying that your method does not have a place in someone's software toolbox. But Novacom is so easy to install. Just right click on the Novacom Installer and click "Install" and in few seconds, it is installed. Put the TPTBv42, TWRP or WipeAll batch files in the Palm, Inc. folder and run them. That just seems so much easier than burning ISO's to CD' s or thumb drives or in VM's and watching all these tutorials to learn how to use your Novacom Repair method. I'm not a software junkie like you guys. I like straight forward and simple. And one click to install Novacom is SIMPLE!
Hats off to you HPTP for creating an interesting method. Just not my cup of tea.
Smithy
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All valid points Smithy, I too have Novacom installed on my Windows 10 64bit laptop, but last time I checked more and more Novacom links to install the software were broken and they were getting harder to find, and I was hearing of others having issues trying to install it on newer PC's.
So the idea of having a Novacom permanently ready to go appealed to me, in case, when we go to Windows 11 or 12 and Novacom does not install, I have learned this new method and will be ready. That being said, I dont really use my Touchpads too much, I just like playing around with new install methods and reading these threads on XDA, and maybe helping a newbie or two. Like you said it would be fun if JC Sullins came back for a day or two and made some final comments on the state of the HP TOUCHPAD, but I guess he did not reply to HP_TOUCHPAD's request to have permission to change the TP Toolbox code for some important modifications that have been needed since 2015 and the advent of incompatible zips. Boy that term is also a blast from the past as was "ttinstall" which is going on in another thread as we speak.
smithylovestouchpad said:
I'll leave all this hocus pocus to your guys. I have two Windows 10 laptops with Novacom drivers installed and they work fine. I did have the one PC where the driver became corrupted, but a simple uninstall/ reinstall fixed it without issue.
It took you very long time to figure that out to a point of just given up, go to this post:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80016636&postcount=406
And there was more than that,
I personally don't subscribe to one must use a PC with an old operating system installed to get Novacom to work.
Eventually it will come to that, in the software business nothing has lifetime support, the codes are changing with every update. That is why Virtualization has become so important, any software or Operating system can be use on new hardware if need it, or have a Live Linux CD to repair a broken Operating System. Is not hocus pocus, it is how is done at the present time.
BTW, what do you call an old operating system, XP? After 9 years of playing of with TouchPads, I have never had a problem installing or using Novacom. Any driver can become corrupted on any PC and a simple reinstall will fix it.
You did not know the driver was corrupted, had to use another PC to resolve the issue and any OS update can render the driver useless and the user will not even know it and then again blame the Tablet for been ""brick".
Old is when the Software Company will not update the OS anymore, on January 2020 Windows 7 becomes OLD.
I have never not been able to fix a driver issue on any PC that reinstalling the driver did not fix the issue. I am not saying that your method does not have a place in someone's software toolbox. But Novacom is so easy to install. Just right click on the Novacom Installer and click "Install" and in few seconds, it is installed. Put the TPTBv42, TWRP or WipeAll batch files in the Palm, Inc. folder and run them.
It is not as easy as you are stating, you are the perfect example. You did not know how to load an uImage into the Tablet. The user must be aware and know how to use the novacom command
novacom boot mem://
That just seems so much easier than burning ISO's to CD' s or thumb drives or in VM's and watching all these tutorials to learn how to use your Novacom Repair method. I'm not a software junkie like you guys. I like straight forward and simple. And one click to install Novacom is SIMPLE!
Having the Novacom installed on any PC will not fix any Tablet when connected. Plug in a tablet with the triangle or USB symbol to any of your PC with the novacom driver and it will not even show anywhere.
What does the user do then?
Connect the Tablet to an up to date OS and it will not recognized it, not even automatically download the drivers for it from the OS update servers, which in theory by Plug and Play any device connected to the new OS should be recognized and automatically search and install the driver.
Hats off to you HPTP for creating an interesting method. Just not my cup of tea.
Smithy
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On the next Operating System upgrade, the support for old drivers could be block or it could actually crash the system. Does that mean the PC can not be updated or maintain just to use the Novacom drivers to get something done on the Tablet.
Every user can use any method that is easier for them, but the more options and solutions the better as you never know when it maybe need it.
DoubleStuff said:
All valid points Smithy, I too have Novacom installed on my Windows 10 64bit laptop, but last time I checked more and more Novacom links to install the software were broken and they were getting harder to find, and I was hearing of others having issues trying to install it on newer PC's.
So the idea of having a Novacom permanently ready to go appealed to me, in case, when we go to Windows 11 or 12 and Novacom does not install, I have learned this new method and will be ready. That being said, I dont really use my Touchpads too much, I just like playing around with new install methods and reading these threads on XDA, and maybe helping a newbie or two. Like you said it would be fun if JC Sullins came back for a day or two and made some final comments on the state of the HP TOUCHPAD, but I guess he did not reply to HP_TOUCHPAD's request to have permission to change the TP Toolbox code for some important modifications that have been needed since 2015 and the advent of incompatible zips. Boy that term is also a blast from the past as was "ttinstall" which is going on in another thread as we speak.
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I was always under the impression that all this is open source. That as long as credit was given, one could modify and adapt any thing related to Android, Linux and the like. Why would Sullins care if HPTP updated and improved TPTB? If he has the knowledge and skills, all five or ten of us who still use a TouchPad would benefit. When you run TPTB, no where do you see anything about it being copyrighted or that modifying or improving it is prohibited. Where people get in trouble, they take a program or app, rename it, put their name on it and put it out as their own.
So what is going on concerning ttinstall in another thread? Link?
Smithy
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HP_TOUCHPAD said:
On the next Operating System upgrade, the support for old drivers could be block or it could actually crash the system. Does that mean the PC can not be updated or maintain just to use the Novacom drivers to get something done on the Tablet.
Every user can use any method that is easier for them, but the more options and solutions the better as you never know when it maybe need it.
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You missed commenting on a couple of statements I made, 1. I am not saying that your method does not have a place in someone's software toolbox. 2. Hats off to you HPTP for creating an interesting method. It's just not my cup of tea. Those were complements.
Lastly, you are WRONG, I did and do know how to load a uImage, it was the corrupted Novacom driver that was throwing me a curve. Once I used a second PC to prove it could be done, I went back to the first PC, and reinstalled the Novacom drivers. That's called trouble-shooting pal. And your link to post 406 proves my point.
Smithy
DoubleStuff said:
All valid points Smithy, I too have Novacom installed on my Windows 10 64bit laptop, but last time I checked more and more Novacom links to install the software were broken and they were getting harder to find, and I was hearing of others having issues trying to install it on newer PC's.
The universal Novacom installer stopped working long ago, it was an interesting and effective concept back then.
So the idea of having a Novacom permanently ready to go appealed to me, in case, when we go to Windows 11 or 12 and Novacom does not install, I have learned this new method and will be ready.
It is 100% reliable every single time, and if use on a Virtual Machine the user can fix the Tablet no matter what type of OS or how new the PC, as long as it has USB ports.
That being said, I dont really use my Touchpads too much, I just like playing around with new install methods and reading these threads on XDA, and maybe helping a newbie or two. Like you said it would be fun if JC Sullins came back for a day or two and made some final comments on the state of the HP TOUCHPAD,
The HP Touchpad is a Palm device that uses WebOS. The experts for this type of operating system can be found at
https://www.webosnation.com/
but I guess he did not reply to HP_TOUCHPAD's request
I did not contacted JC Sullins as the account on XDA has not been active.
to have permission to change the TP Toolbox code for some important modifications that have been needed since 2015 and the advent of incompatible zips. Boy that term is also a blast from the past as was "ttinstall" which is going on in another thread as we speak.
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The thread about modifying the ToolBox can be found on my guide, read it !
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hp-touchpad/general/Click HERE for how to modify the ToolBox
Also to mentioned, the HP Touchpad is the perfect Device to learn Android OS. If you have an Android Smartphone, is risky to modified the OS or make changes, it can be bricked and no way to make a phone call !
The Tablet can be use as the experiment device and see how the internal of the OS works.
One of the most important is the Ramdisk, which required a Linux OS. The user have total control by using this ISO to make any permanent modification and learn. It is not only an OS with Novacom Driver, read the guide again for everything that it can do.
smithylovestouchpad said:
I was always under the impression that all this is open source.
I know Andriod is open source and most of the developers like Flintman et all post their source on github which is open to the public. But as per JC Sullins TPTB this is posted on some of his code.
# This script is Copyright (c) 2014 James Sullins, All rights reserved.
# James (JC) Sullins, aka jcsullins
# No modifications or distribution without permission
That as long as credit was given, one could modify and adapt any thing related to Android, Linux and the like. Why would Sullins care if HPTP updated and improved TPTB? If he has the knowledge and skills, all five or ten of us who still use a TouchPad would benefit.
LOL, 5 or 10 users, that is funny and you maybe right that their is 5 or 10 "regulars" who post on these threads, but I have posted the number of downloads of the alternate method
and its in the thousands. And even the most recent zip I posted in July already has over 300 downloads.
When you run TPTB, no where do you see anything about it being copyrighted or that modifying or improving it is prohibited. Where people get in trouble, they take a program or app, rename it, put their name on it and put it out as their own.
So what is going on concerning ttinstall in another thread? Link?
look at the last couple of pages of this link you will see the ttinstall mentioned
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hp-touchpad/general/android-9-pie-dirty-unicorns-v13-0-t3911621
Smithy
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See my comments in blue above.
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HP_TOUCHPAD said:
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I did not contacted JC Sullins as the account on XDA has not been active.
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DoubleStuff says,
Ok well somebody did, because I am quoting your comment from this post below...
HP_TOUCHPAD says,
It could be the only file to load, but I am not going to change it, a request was sent to jcsulling for permission, but no replied. Anywhere jcsullins is " Many Thanks"
see this post for context:
Post #179
DoubleStuff says,
Ok well somebody did, because I am quoting your comment from this post below...
HP_TOUCHPAD says,
It could be the only file to load, but I am not going to change it, a request was sent to jcsulling for permission, but no replied. Anywhere jcsullins is " Many Thanks"
see this post for context:
Post #179[/QUOTE]
Again read this specific post:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78649680&postcount=3
Probably a request was never sent, it was a discussion on how to removed the restriction of installing only specifics ROMs. Keep in mind I am not a developer and not connected to that side of the spectrum, I looked for an alternative and found out that I could use TWRP to re-partition and use TWRP to flash any ROM and that is where the Wipe_All came to be.
I saw your post elsewhere about the java installer for Novacom not working any more. There is a Windows installer version you can download here:
https://www.sheldonsblog.com/cant-download-novacom-drivers-for-windows-to-connect-hp-touchpad/
Just right click on NovacomInstaller_x64.msi and click install. There is a 32 bit version too. Easy peazy. No java installer needed.
Smithy
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HP_TOUCHPAD said:
DoubleStuff says,
Ok well somebody did, because I am quoting your comment from this post below...
HP_TOUCHPAD says,
It could be the only file to load, but I am not going to change it, a request was sent to jcsulling for permission, but no replied. Anywhere jcsullins is " Many Thanks"
see this post for context:
Post #179
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Again read this specific post:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78649680&postcount=3
Probably a request was never sent, it was a discussion on how to removed the restriction of installing only specifics ROMs. Keep in mind I am not a developer and not connected to that side of the spectrum, I looked for an alternative and found out that I could use TWRP to re-partition and use TWRP to flash any ROM and that is where the Wipe_All came to be. [/QUOTE]
You know there is an easy work-around. Just use one of the compatible recoveries and gapps files available and immediately after installing, flash the updated version of TWRP. Worked like a charm for me when I reverted my TP back to Sullin's CM11 sans swap. Fresh start, complete data reset and all that.
Smithy
P.S. I agree with DS, sure looks like some kind of contact with Sullins was attempted.
smithylovestouchpad said:
I saw your post elsewhere about the java installer for Novacom not working any more. There is a Windows installer version you can download here:
Just right click on NovacomInstaller_x64.msi and click install. There is a 32 bit version too. Easy peazy. No java installer needed.
Smithy
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Thanks Smithy I clicked the link and dowloaded the NovacomInstallers and put them on a
thumb drive along with HPTP's .iso file, because you never know how long these "rogue" links
will be up, and when I am going to need it.
As per contacting JCSullins controversy, I can't find the link, but I believe Flintman tried to contact him about the TPTB code back in the Evervolv 5 days, and maybe even some others have tried, and of course Sullins XDA has been inactive for quite a while, but I am sure ( he is no dummy ) he has probably created a new account and comes on here and poses as a newbie once in a while.
I am hearing rumors now that Android Q, will not be named after a tasty treat, because these treats names, Petit Four, Cupcake, Donut, Eclair, Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb, IceCream Sandwich, JellyBean, KitKat, Lollipop, Marshmallow, Nougat, Oreo and Pie even though popular treats in the USA, does not mean these treats have worldwide appeal, nor were they fully understood in other languages. So I am hearing Android Q will just be named Android 10, so I guess
we have reached an "end of an era".
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LOL, 5 or 10 users, that is funny and you maybe right that their is 5 or 10 "regulars" who post on these threads, but I have posted the number of downloads of the alternate method and its in the thousands. And even the most recent zip I posted in July already has over 300 downloads.
Good to know there are a few lurkers out there who choose to take but not participate. It's nice to get feedback on your work as well as an occasional thanks.
Quote:
# This script is Copyright (c) 2014 James Sullins, All rights reserved.
# James (JC) Sullins, aka jcsullins
# No modifications or distribution without permission
Would have been nice if he has posted that in the OP of his thread instead of burying it in his code. I'm not a lawyer, but just because you put that claim of being copyrighted out there does not mean it is. I doubt if he actually ever filed the paperwork to copyright TPTB. Although as arrogant as he always came across, he just might have done so. God forbid that someone else could help improve on HIS work.
Smithy
DoubleStuff said:
See my comments in blue above.
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DoubleStuff says,
Ok well somebody did, because I am quoting your comment from this post below...
HP_TOUCHPAD says,
It could be the only file to load, but I am not going to change it, a request was sent to jcsulling for permission, but no replied. Anywhere jcsullins is " Many Thanks"
see this post for context:
Post #179
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Just curious, so you create this Linux Live CD or run this operating system in a virtual machine and regardless of the PC you run it on, it is going to work? So Linux contains all the drivers needed to work on all the hardware out there, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Sony, Asus, Acer, Toshiba, desktop, laptop, regardless?
Smithy
smithylovestouchpad said:
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Would have been nice if he has posted that in the OP of his thread instead of burying it in his code. I'm not a lawyer, but just because you put that claim of being copyrighted out there does not mean it is. I doubt if he actually ever filed the paperwork to copyright TPTB. Although as arrogant as he always came across, he just might have done so. God forbid that someone else could help improve on HIS work.
snip.....
Smithy
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I agree with you on the copyright Smithy, because recently a music artist named Katy Perry was sued by Flame, because Flame said Katy Perry copied from his song, when she created the song "Dark Horse", if only Katy would have given Flame some kudos/credit for the song, I think Flame would have been OK with it. Plus HPTP wants people to "save a click" and not even press the thanks button, I am sure he does not want any money for his work. So if he gets sued, what is 50% of $0.00, you guessed it a big zero. LOL. I have learned so much over the past 2 years because of everybodies work in trying to improve the touchpad install method, that its worth it for me. But I wish JCSullins could come back for a day or two and tell us his final summary of the past 4 years.
And maybe JC could mend the fences with some people he was at odds with, it would be like the big reunion of Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin, after they had that bitter split for for 20 years, finally reunited during the 1976 Jerry Lewis Telethon.
smithylovestouchpad said:
Just curious, so you create this Linux Live CD or run this operating system in a virtual machine and regardless of the PC you run it on, it is going to work? So Linux contains all the drivers needed to work on all the hardware out there, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Sony, Asus, Acer, Toshiba, desktop, laptop, regardless?
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All your comments, suggestion and critics are well welcome. The most valuable asset of the thread are the comments, questions, answers and debate, that's what we learned from. Nobody has to agree or use any specific method, but the most important is to post valuable and helpful information for any user to have the best experience using the HP TP.
On the Linux Operating System the drivers are incorporated into the Kernel, there are many versions of Linux with different Kernels. Most Linux OS can boot on any Computer and provide support for a lot of hardware and devices, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Sony, Asus, Acer, Toshiba and Apple. All those Personal Computer brands use the same Processor, Intel or AMD with same technology standards. Linux is very powerful it does not need to be install to run on a computer, is call a Live CD or (USB Flash drive).
An example:
The computer hard drive is failing and not booting into the OS, or the boot sector is damage. A Linux (CD) (USB) can be connected to the computer and it loads the Linux OS into memory ( RAMDISK ). Data can be copy from the failing hard drive or the boot sector can be restore, it can resolve many issues.
The Linux version used for the HP Touchpad Novacom Repair is based on Puppy Linux compatible with Ubuntu Bionic. If you read the info the OS is less than 300 MB with more software support that of a full modern OS. It will boot on any Computer, from 20 years ago to the most current. The computer does not need a hard drive and no more than 1GB of RAM. The smallest Linux Distro is Tiny Core :
https://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/downloads.html
Is a 16 MB Operating System that support most computers with Graphics, Sound, Networking, Mouse, Keyboard, CD, Hard drive.
The most current FireFox browser can be install to a total OS of about 200 MB and is all loaded into Memory and due to that even a computer that is about 15 years old will browse the web faster that any new one !
Booting from a Virtual Machine will work 100 % on anything even on an ARM processor. It can even be run on any modern Android Smartphone, meaning your phone can connect to the Tablet to repair it.
Virtualization adds a layer of software codes that mimic the hardware that the OS needs to run from.
Puppy Linux is the distro that I found small enough that supports the Novavcom Driver and allows for the Ramdisk to be modified. At only 355 MB total it can be copy onto a 1GB flash drive and still have 700 MB for extra files. It can be boot on any old computer, with no hard drive, monitor, keyboard or mouse. The only thing extra is a network card and USB port. Once it boots VNC Server is active and using VNC Viewer it can be control remotely. There are many ways on using it but no matter how, it will always work as intended.
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Plus HPTP wants people to "save a click" and not even press the thanks button, I am sure he does not want any money for his work. So if he gets sued, what is 50% of $0.00, you guessed it a big zero. LOL.
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Is posted on my Guide, I am a user not a developer and all the modifications I am doing is what any user can do, but I am trying to make it easier for others to apply on to the Tablet. I am not creating any proprietary code or special software. But there are other "humans been" that the only thing they care is personal gain and will use others people ideas and work, modified it and call it their own. It happens all over, look into this web site XDA and you will find it. There is a reason for a patent registration that is stronger than just a copyright and even patents takes years to get approved and still others use it.
Jc Sullins spent a lot of time creating the ToolBox and just posted it for everyone to use. Anyone can easily modified it, repack it and distributed with another name and charge, that is the reality. But the ToolBox is not a proprietary software or code, is a version of Angstrom v2015.01, Built from branch: master, Revision: 038d832 (open source )
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/
Running scripts to perform the task with busybox and LVM. There is no custom codes, but the script and that is just a way of writing a command to be executed.
Attached are the list of scripts from the Toolbox, when a user enter an option the script it call and executed by busybox or LVM.
It is very well done and perfectly executed. If the WiFi drivers can be ported to Anstrom Arm OS, a system can be built that will do it all, with web browser built in to automatically download the latest Recovery, Android Version, Resize all Partitions and automatically fix any issues. But the drivers for the HP TP are proprietary and not available or easily portable to other OS.
Read very careful this links, it could have provided the information to create the HP Touchpad Debrick, the Pre phone runs on WebOS, same as the Tablet.
One situation which cannot be recovered so easily is the extremely unlikely event of corruption of the installed bootloader (bootie) stored on the Pre's flash disk.
And this is the Most important, that clearly state that a WebOS device can not be brick even if the bootie is damage.
If bootie on the flash disk has been damaged or corrupted in such a way that booting into recovery mode is not possible, the Pre is still not "bricked" as the OMAP3430 processor in the Pre provides for a mechanism to boot code from its USB interface. At this time this operation has not been performed on a Pixi, and will not be the same as it has a different core.
https://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1564938
smithylovestouchpad said:
I saw your post elsewhere about the java installer for Novacom not working any more. There is a Windows installer version you can download here:
https://www.sheldonsblog.com/cant-download-novacom-drivers-for-windows-to-connect-hp-touchpad/
Just right click on NovacomInstaller_x64.msi and click install. There is a 32 bit version too. Easy peazy. No java installer needed.
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Thank you for sharing the information, it is good to know that you recently found the Novacom drivers for Windows. I do have all the drivers for all the OS.
On this post August 5 when your Windows Novacom Driver malfunctioned, you asked for the drivers:
By any chance do you have the novacomd installation files. I could try reinstalling that. I have even tried a different USB cable.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80016787&postcount=418
The java installer was the Universal to get it working on any OS, but it need it java to be install and that was another challenge plus about 200 MB extra just to use a driver.
The Windows driver installed on my Windows x64 with no issues, attached are the screenshots.
It is very easy to install, just a click. But having the Novacom Installed on Windows or any other OS does not mean that the Tablet will get fix. Is only a driver that was created in 2009 to communicate with Palm phones that came with software that used the driver.
Your issued is the perfect example and this is how it all started:
I am looking at triangle with an exclamation point in it and www.palm/ROM below that. I'm not bricked so to speak, but I no longer have a boot loader, so the tablet is useless. I now have a nice paperweight.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80014852&postcount=391
With the HP Touchpad Novacom Repair Android, is not only the driver but the user knows what to do when they see a symbol on the tablet screen and the only thing to do is connected and click. It will always work as long as the PC has a USB port and the Tablet connection works.
If the user is using any other OS, Windows as an example, it must know how to open a command prompt in the Palm, Inc directory.
That is not an easy task for a regular user, you could not do it as in your post:
OK, using Windows File Explorer, I navigate to the Palm, Inc folder and right click the mouse. The options menu that opens does not give me a selection to open a command window
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80016787&postcount=418
As you can recall, it was a challenge for a user like you that claims using Novacom drivers is as easy as a click and all done, well think what it can be to others using different operating system.
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Thank you for sharing the information, it is good to know that you recently found the Novacom drivers for Windows. I do have all the drivers for all the OS.
On this post August 5 when your Windows Novacom Driver malfunctioned, you asked for the drivers:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80016787&postcount=418
The java installer was the Universal to get it working on any OS, but it need it java to be install and that was another challenge plus about 200 MB extra just to use a driver.
The Windows driver installed on my Windows x64 with no issues, attached are the screenshots.
It is very easy to install, just a click. But having the Novacom Installed on Windows or any other OS does not mean that the Tablet will get fix. Is only a driver that was created in 2009 to communicate with Palm phones that came with software that used the driver.
Your issued is the perfect example and this is how it all started:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80014852&postcount=391
With the HP Touchpad Novacom Repair Android, is not only the driver but the user knows what to do when they see a symbol on the tablet screen and the only thing to do is connected and click. It will always work as long as the PC has a USB port and the Tablet connection works.
If the user is using any other OS, Windows as an example, it must know how to open a command prompt in the Palm, Inc directory.
That is not an easy task for a regular user, you could not do it as in your post:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80016787&postcount=418
As you can recall, it was a challenge for a user like you that claims using Novacom drivers is as easy as a click and all done, well think what it can be to others using different operating system.
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So what's your point. Only thing I see is you saying I'm stupid and you are so smart. That your way is the best and only way because you created it. Do you get a thrill putting people down? I have posted a link to an installer that does not require java, you put me down for that. I pay you complements, you don't even have the courtesy to say thank you. The only issue I had was a corrupted driver that caused the problem. You try to make it out that I don't know what the hell I am doing. I was the one who figured out it was a corrupt driver and I shared that. And why is it that someone asks for a link to a possibly needed file and no help from you. You say you have the Novacom driver for all OS's. How come you could not have provided a link? And BTW, after the fact I realize your suggestions were misleading. To run TWRP, TPTB or your Wipe routine on the TouchPad, all one has to do is run the associated script. No command window needed. I acknowledged early on that hardware was my area of expertise, not software, writing scripts or code. So why are you holding that against me? Oh wait, that makes you the big man cause you know it all and I admitted I did not understand what you were saying. You must live in a really big building to accommodate your huge ego. But that's OK, my TouchPads run just fine without your Wipes, Swaps, Optimizations or Reducers.
And since I am about to say "adios" to this little circus, you should really find someone to edit your threads, posts and guides. I asked you before if English was your first language and you said it wasn't, and it's very obvious it is not. At times it is really difficult to understand what you are trying to say because of it. You never say anything in your videos. Now we know why, no one could understand you.
Well, I've had my fun at your expense. So I only have one thing left to say, BYTE ME!