I travel internationally a lot and want to get the version with the most LTE band support and the ability to root. In the USA I'm on T-Mobile.
SM-G965U1 (unlocked) or SM-G965U (T-Mobile)? Pros and cons to each?
fuzzybabybunny said:
I travel internationally a lot and want to get the version with the most LTE band support and the ability to root. In the USA I'm on T-Mobile.
SM-G965U1 (unlocked) or SM-G965U (T-Mobile)? Pros and cons to each?
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Both models are the same. The TMO, Sprint, att and vzw models all have the same LTE bands as the unlocked Phones. The only difference is carrier can block bands on there firmware. So you would have to download the other carriers firmware to use the blocked bands.
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fuzzybabybunny said:
I travel internationally a lot and want to get the version with the most LTE band support and the ability to root. In the USA I'm on T-Mobile.
SM-G965U1 (unlocked) or SM-G965U (T-Mobile)? Pros and cons to each?
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Both should have the same LTE band support because internally they are the same hardware wise.
The G965U has all the carrier bloat, is network locked, configured for that carrier and will have what ever T-Mobile puts on it.
The G965U1 is network unlocked and doesn't have any of the carrier bloat on it, which makes this the most generically compatible with all the providers (it auto-configures for the provider when you put the sim card into it). This should include what ever bands are necessary for the device to work on the carrier. There maybe some features from some providers that may not work, as those would require the G965U variant from that provider.
As an example, my phone is originally a Sprint variant (G965U) but I had it network unlocked and flashed the G965U1 firmware on it. After inserting my AT&T sim card it autoconfigured for use on AT&T and set the applicable network bands to use. Some of the bands used on the phone now with the G965U1 firmware were never included with the sprint firmware
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I have the following LTE bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 14, 18, 19, 20, 28, 29, 30, 38, 39, 40, 41, 46, 66 (band 66 is used on T-mobile if I recall correctly)
Originally the sprint firmware had: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 20, 25, 26, 28, 38, 39, 40, 41
The G965U and G965U1 are not rootable as of yet. There has been no updates or information that says when or where it will be.
If you want to be able to root then you would need the Galaxy s9+ with the Exynos model or the G9650 model (that's the only snapdragon model you can root right now)
tengen31 said:
Both models are the same. The TMO, Sprint, att and vzw models all have the same LTE bands as the unlocked Phones. The only difference is carrier can block bands on there firmware. So you would have to download the other carriers firmware to use the blocked bands.
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Errr, I'm confused.
You mean if I have, say, the Sprint version they can choose to have firmware that blocks ATT, TMO, and Verizon? If I was on Sprint and I wanted to use ATT, I would just flash the ATT firmware on my Sprint phone to use ATT bands?
And the unlocked phone has no blocked bands?
fuzzybabybunny said:
Errr, I'm confused.
You mean if I have, say, the Sprint version they can choose to have firmware that blocks ATT, TMO, and Verizon? If I was on Sprint and I wanted to use ATT, I would just flash the ATT firmware on my Sprint phone to use ATT bands?
And the unlocked phone has no blocked bands?
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That's right att firmware were allow all att bands. No the unlocked model doesn't get anything blocked. I wish the S9 was like the S8 where it would download the firmware right when you put on the sim card
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scottusa2008 said:
Both should have the same LTE band support because internally they are the same hardware wise.
The G965U has all the carrier bloat, is network locked, configured for that carrier and will have what ever T-Mobile puts on it.
The G965U1 is network unlocked and doesn't have any of the carrier bloat on it, which makes this the most generically compatible with all the providers (it auto-configures for the provider when you put the sim card into it). This should include what ever bands are necessary for the device to work on the carrier. There maybe some features from some providers that may not work, as those would require the G965U variant from that provider.
As an example, my phone is originally a Sprint variant (G965U) but I had it network unlocked and flashed the G965U1 firmware on it. After inserting my AT&T sim card it autoconfigured for use on AT&T and set the applicable network bands to use. Some of the bands used on the phone now with the G965U1 firmware were never included with the sprint firmware
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I have the following LTE bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 14, 18, 19, 20, 28, 29, 30, 38, 39, 40, 41, 46, 66 (band 66 is used on T-mobile if I recall correctly)
Originally the sprint firmware had: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 20, 25, 26, 28, 38, 39, 40, 41
The G965U and G965U1 are not rootable as of yet. There has been no updates or information that says when or where it will be.
If you want to be able to root then you would need the Galaxy s9+ with the Exynos model or the G9650 model (that's the only snapdragon model you can root right now)
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Not being rootable - is this because devs need to wait for Samsung to provide them something first in order to enable root on their phones?
For me, root has always been just about flashing a SuperSU zip in recovery. So I'm assuming that the bootloader is locked and there's no way to install a custom recovery to flash root?
The dev's need to find a way to install the root and then package/make it in such a way as to let anyone install it.
Samsung doesn't provide them way with a way to make that happen. At least I have never heard of that happening.
Hmm... is this normal or typical? Like when a new Samsung phone comes out it takes the community several months to figure out how to root? Or is there a possibility of the G965U1 *never* getting root, meaning some Samsungs get it but other versions never do?
fuzzybabybunny said:
Hmm... is this normal or typical? Like when a new Samsung phone comes out it takes the community several months to figure out how to root? Or is there a possibility of the G965U1 *never* getting root, meaning some Samsungs get it but other versions never do?
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It's normal, the thing with finding a root method is finding a useable exploit (hardware or software) or method to install what is needed to root the phone.
Given Samsung and knox I can not imagine this to be an easy task. So I wouldn't say it will never happen, but it might take a while before the developers have viable method. How long on the other hand is not known.. might be tomorrow, might be next year, might be 2 years. Just takes as long as it takes.
scottusa2008 said:
It's normal, the thing with finding a root method is finding a useable exploit (hardware or software) or method to install what is needed to root the phone.
Given Samsung and knox I can not imagine this to be an easy task. So I wouldn't say it will never happen, but it might take a while before the developers have viable method. How long on the other hand is not known.. might be tomorrow, might be next year, might be 2 years. Just takes as long as it takes.
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Gotcha. Hmm... In that case I think I might just get the Exynos version as the SnapDragon that's rootable doesn't have much development on it. Plus it seems to support most TMobile bands.
Unfortunately the Exynos version seems to have high power usage issues and people are waiting for a fix from Samsung. Hopefully this will get fixed?
Between G965F (single sim) and G965F/DS (dual sim) are there any differences? Both have the same band support and seemingly the same hardware specs otherwise... so why would anyone ever get the single sim version?
fuzzybabybunny said:
Between G965F (single sim) and G965F/DS (dual sim) are there any differences? Both have the same band support and seemingly the same hardware specs otherwise... so why would anyone ever get the single sim version?
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I would imagine it would be up to the individual and each person's need/want/desire/preference/etc... Myself it would boil down to cost and usefulness.
If the cost was the same as the single sim then I probably would. If the cost was higher then I would have to pass on the dual sim phone since I only use one provider (and not two).
FWIW, I've had to sold my G965F/DS and switch to G965U because of incompatibility with T-Mobile. I live in an area where I depend on VoLTE a lot, and the phone is just not usable.
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FWIW, I've had to sold my G965F/DS and switch to G965U because of incompatibility with T-Mobile. I live in an area where I depend on VoLTE a lot, and the phone is just not usable.
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What incompatibilities did you encounter? Did you consider rooting it?
CynicalHeight00 said:
What incompatibilities did you encounter? Did you consider rooting it?
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I'm going to regret this if I'm wrong, but I doubt I am, and this reply is motivated only to 1): save the developer from having to field this continued line on this topic,
...and 2): to simply educate (and clarify) the concept the you appear to be having, as well as any other members also confused...
So, to that end, please allow me to interrupt and explain that the SM-G95U is a is a LOCKED bootloader, and as such, to this date of this post, remains unable to be unlocked for rooting on any level. That being said, it IS possible to use ODIN to swap or over-write the necessary software (which is by nature "carrier-specific", i.e., Sprint version, or T-Mobile version, etc., etc...) to open the bands that ARE already physically present on the phones, but which are not functioning, to start functioning. This WILL allow the SM-G960U & SMG965U to be brought from, say Sprint, (I'm using the Dev's example here, to keep my answer focused to the member's specific original question they asked, however, a Sprint to T-Mobile band compatibility/conversion is not all-inclusive or limited to this exact situation, the possibilities abound ad-ifinitum dependent upon a myriad of factors not properly within the scope of this forum) which only use, and therefore only ACTIVATE a sub-set of the bands present on the phone, over to T-Mobile, WITHOUT having root, (which, of course the SM-G965U & SM-G960U are, again, PRESENTLY incapable of being rooted due to the boot loader being locked by Samsung).
I hope my explanation answered your question correctly, and helps you with your understanding of what this variant (the SM-G965U & SM-960U) is and is not capable of as to rooting, and how that does not interfere with turning on the dormant frequencies a potential new carrier might require to deliver service should you opt to change the original carrier the phone was programmed for. It's a nice ability to have that option, and many thanks for the Devs who have taken the time and effort to map that process out down to the custom software they so generously shared above so we may experience their benefits without the cost of their time, efforts, or hard work.
*(The SM-G965U1 and SM-G960U1 is not limited by a locked bootloader, and therefore able to be rooted much easier as a result, which, IMO makes clear that the shameless tech companies could provide a secure platform sans bootlocking the end-user out, who dubiously "own" the device after paying upwards to a thousand dollars for it to be theirs ultimately)
AndyGumpp said:
I'm going to regret this if I'm wrong, but I doubt I am, and this reply is motivated only to 1): save the developer from having to field this continued line on this topic,
...and 2): to simply educate (and clarify) the concept the you appear to be having, as well as any other members also confused...
So, to that end, please allow me to interrupt and explain that the SM-G95U is a is a LOCKED bootloader, and as such, to this date of this post, remains unable to be unlocked for rooting on any level. That being said, it IS possible to use ODIN to swap or over-write the necessary software (which is by nature "carrier-specific", i.e., Sprint version, or T-Mobile version, etc., etc...) to open the bands that ARE already physically present on the phones, but which are not functioning, to start functioning. This WILL allow the SM-G960U & SMG965U to be brought from, say Sprint, (I'm using the Dev's example here, to keep my answer focused to the member's specific original question they asked, however, a Sprint to T-Mobile band compatibility/conversion is not all-inclusive or limited to this exact situation, the possibilities abound ad-ifinitum dependent upon a myriad of factors not properly within the scope of this forum) which only use, and therefore only ACTIVATE a sub-set of the bands present on the phone, over to T-Mobile, WITHOUT having root, (which, of course the SM-G965U & SM-G960U are, again, PRESENTLY incapable of being rooted due to the boot loader being locked by Samsung).
I hope my explanation answered your question correctly, and helps you with your understanding of what this variant (the SM-G965U & SM-960U) is and is not capable of as to rooting, and how that does not interfere with turning on the dormant frequencies a potential new carrier might require to deliver service should you opt to change the original carrier the phone was programmed for. It's a nice ability to have that option, and many thanks for the Devs who have taken the time and effort to map that process out down to the custom software they so generously shared above so we may experience their benefits without the cost of their time, efforts, or hard work.
*(The SM-G965U1 and SM-G960U1 is not limited by a locked bootloader, and therefore able to be rooted much easier as a result, which, IMO makes clear that the shameless tech companies could provide a secure platform sans bootlocking the end-user out, who dubiously "own" the device after paying upwards to a thousand dollars for it to be theirs ultimately)
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So ya know the 960U and W Can be rooted with locked bootloader And U1 is the same exact model as U and W Just carrier unlocked The U1 Is limited by a locked bootloader just like the rest of the american devices And Is no more easier to root than the other 2 models
Half of what you have posted is completely incorrect and or Unresearched properly.
All three of the device W U and U1 can be cross flashed with any Us carriers firmware as well as each firmware is About 90% compatible to be used on the next once properly sim unlocked which is what is being said here. That also being said Most of these devices come OYN type CSC file allowing one to just insert a new sim once properly sim unlocked and the device will auto configure itself for the new carrier
TheMadScientist said:
So ya know the 960U and W Can be rooted with locked bootloader And U1 is the same exact model as U and W Just carrier unlocked The U1 Is limited by a locked bootloader just like the rest of the american devices And Is no more easier to root than the other 2 models
Half of what you have posted is completely incorrect and or Unresearched properly.
All three of the device W U and U1 can be cross flashed with any Us carriers firmware as well as each firmware is About 90% compatible to be used on the next once properly sim unlocked which is what is being said here. That also being said Most of these devices come OYN type CSC file allowing one to just insert a new sim once properly sim unlocked and the device will auto configure itself for the new carrier
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If as you say, the SM-G965U1 can be rooted, where did you find this information? Is there a website with instructions for this? So far, everything I have read indicates my SM-G965U1 cant be rooted.