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i'm looking for somebody to build me a pda-phone that recognises handwriting in landscape format and runs voice recognition software (ibm viavoice 10 for usb). it seems to be impossible for technical reasons i don't understand, but if there's a programmer/engineer out there with some tips, i'd love to have such a gadget for my work. thanks.
why dont you get yourself a TABLET PC?
I'd love to build that for you. Your budget is at least $3000, right?
And would you like fries with that?
The handwiting in Landscape form already exist doesn't it?
Select Transcriber as your input method, then click the black arrow in the bottom left so that it points to the left (i.e. to the top when you hold it in landscape).
Viavoice (sorry don't know if it's version 10) also apparently works on some ipaqs(H3600, H3700, H3800, H3900):
http://www-3.ibm.com/software/speech/ipaq/mobility_suite/sysreq.shtml
and since they are running PPC2002, I assume they also have Transcriber?
Oh! and if you want to make it a phone add the GSM expansion jacket:
http://www.compaq.co.uk/products/ipaq/pocketpc/solution.html
I'd love to build that for you. Your budget is at least $3000, right?
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Is this just irony or could you seriously do a custom build PDA/Phone for $3K?
If someone gave me $3k I know I could come up with something. It seriously would not be that tough to integrate various accessories currently available into one case, write custom software, etc... I made my own "laptop" in 1992.
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why dont you get yourself a TABLET PC?
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thanks ntabikha. i was also thinking about a tablet pc, but i wanted something smaller and something i could also use as a cell-phone. but i was just about to give up and buy a tablet pc when "carlos" offered to build my dream gadget. stay tuned to the discussion thread and i'll keep you posted on how that develops. best, commandante
bdarras said:
The handwiting in Landscape form already exist doesn't it?
Select Transcriber as your input method, then click the black arrow in the bottom left so that it points to the left (i.e. to the top when you hold it in landscape).
Viavoice (sorry don't know if it's version 10) also apparently works on some ipaqs(H3600, H3700, H3800, H3900):
http://www-3.ibm.com/software/speech/ipaq/mobility_suite/sysreq.shtml
and since they are running PPC2002, I assume they also have Transcriber?
Oh! and if you want to make it a phone add the GSM expansion jacket:
http://www.compaq.co.uk/products/ipaq/pocketpc/solution.html
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thanks bdarras. i assume you are talking about applying the above settings to the xda (or xda II)? best, commandante
Carlos said:
If someone gave me $3k I know I could come up with something. It seriously would not be that tough to integrate various accessories currently available into one case, write custom software, etc... I made my own "laptop" in 1992.
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thanks carlos. just returned from 2 weeks biking across switzerland and black forest - thus the late reply. i'm in france and you're in arizona. as you know, our mobile networks are different over here. besides that, i guess the rest is just a matter of hardware/software engineering and programming. maybe you can send me an email to [email protected].com with a description of how you foresee us making this happen. please also include how you arrived at the $3000 figure. looking forward. best, commandante
There is such a device already on the market, Ms OS CE, PDA, Phone incl GPRS, GPS. (bluetooth/802.11?) waterproof, drop tested. but, they are Not cheap!! try www.gotive.com
RGS///Peter T
Nice device, but *way* too big to use as a personal device.
Peter T said:
There is such a device already on the market, Ms OS CE, PDA, Phone incl GPRS, GPS. (bluetooth/802.11?) waterproof, drop tested. but, they are Not cheap!! try www.gotive.com
RGS///Peter T
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Excellent tip!!! Thanks a lot Peter T. After visiting the website, I think what I need is a WEC that is preferably very flat & will do or let me do these 4 things:
- (hand)write on screen (horizontally) with a stylus
- convert my handwriting into text (even for up to 2-hrs of note-taking)
- run IBM's ViaVoice 10 voice recognition system - this seems to be tough
- use a bluetooth headset for longer phone conversations
The Gotive H41 is the closest thing I've been introduced to - but I'm not convinced it can handle the above - but maybe it could be modified (??). Many thanks for any further advice you may have. Commandante
By the way, the big size doesn't bother me - but it looks like they made the casing too thick & heavy for the screen (no?). Anyway, I'll buy it, if I find the answers to the above questions.
Peter T said:
There is such a device already on the market, Ms OS CE, PDA, Phone incl GPRS, GPS. (bluetooth/802.11?) waterproof, drop tested. but, they are Not cheap!! try www.gotive.com
RGS///Peter T
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Hi Peter,
I sent you an email 2 days ago and didn't hear back, so thought I'd try to reach you here again. My question is whether the Gotive H41 fulfils the below system requirements - or whether it can be modified to fulfil the below system requirements. Thanks, Commandante
(1) IBM ViaVoice 10 Voice Recognition Software
Operating System Requirements:
For Microsoft® Windows 98SE and Windows XP Home & Professional Editions:
• Intel® Pentium® 300 MHz processor and 256K L2 cache or equivalent (including AMD-K6® with 256K L2 cache)
Minimum System Requirements:
• 64 MB RAM for Windows 98 and Windows Me
• 192 MB RAM for Windows XP Home & Professional
• 510 MB of available hard drive space
• Windows 98/Me compatible 16-bit sound card with a speaker out jack and microphone input jack or USB port for USB microphone input
• Quad-speed CD-ROM drive or faster
(2) CalliGrapher "Handwriting to Text" Software
System Requirements:
Microsoft Windows-powered Pocket PC 2000/2002/2003 or Handheld PC 2000/Professional.
Microsoft Windows CE 2.11 or later. Approximately 1.9MB of the free storage space on the device. Windows-powered desktop PC or laptop with ActiveSync 3.0 or later is required for installation
Specifications:
Version: CalliGrapher 6.5.2 (Multilingual)
Platform: OS: Windows 2.11 or later
CPUs: SH-3, SH-4, ARM, MIPS, XScale
Devices: Pocket PC 2003, Pocket PC 2002 Pocket PC, H/PC Pro, H/PC Pro 2000
homemade Super XDA-II
wow you need a full PC not a super pda, no the H41 will not meet your spec. on Gotive site you can get a pdf of their full spec.
Yes, you can change the screen, yes, you can use the CE form of Word, Yes, you can load up the memory for a price, yes, it will talk to Win XP, but, :? sound cards on a PDA?? running IBM Talk sholdn't be too much but I am at alost as to how you load that app, the H41 is sync loaded like the XDA, for this operation you need to turn the program into an image, or use th Mem Car, there are some good apps on CE sites that may help. I use the GPS with OziExplorer, and the Phone, but the hands free causes humm / side tone, and voice is somthing Gotive are working on, MicroSoft are behind the upgrade path and you know all about that.
RGS///Peter
commandante
I am informed by an outher that http://www.speereo.com/Download/index.html
Have a very good speech package that will run on a Pocket PC.
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commandante
I am informed by an outher that http://www.speereo.com/Download/index.html
Have a very good speech package that will run on a Pocket PC.
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thanks again for your tips. i was internet-less for the last 3 days (terrible!). last week i wrote to gotive and they agreed to test the handwriting-to-text and voice-to-text software if i could send them the respective "trial versions". any idea where to get such things?
in the meantime, i've written to speereo to see if they have voice recognition software that would allow me to convert voice to text using the H41. could i ask how much you paid for your H41? (didn't see any prices on the website).
just on the side, olympus makes a dictaphone (ds-150) that you can record on and then plug it into your computer while it converts your speech into text. but this only works in combindation with IBM, thus my hope to find a way of putting this magic to work on the H41, which seems to me to be an excellent pda-phone. all the best, commandante
XDA II
H41 is about £600k+ depending on build, +Mem +GPS £250, GSM £250 ect it runs on a form of Microsoft CE v4 not ppc2002, so its a bigger PDA,
RGS//Peter
H41
Peter T said:
H41 is about £600k+ depending on build, +Mem +GPS £250, GSM £250 ect it runs on a form of Microsoft CE v4 not ppc2002, so its a bigger PDA,
RGS//Peter
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the price seems reasonable. i'm just hoping gotive will find a way of building in a soundcard to overcome the problem to pointed out (still looking for trial versions of the software to send to gotive for testing and customisation). rgrds, commandante
This bloke is sitting next to a woman carrying two huge shopping bags on the bus, this woman pulls back her sleeve and starts laughing at her arm, the bloke peeks over and sees she is watching a little television no bigger than a watch, then the woman says to the watch "alright deary I'll be home in 10 minutes"
the bloke turns to the woman and says " that's amazing it's a tv and a phone no bigger than a watch?"
"yes" says the lady "it's also a mini computer, temperature gauge and a laser pointing device"
"WOW" says the bloke "how much did that cost?"
"funny you should ask" says the woman "I'll sell you this one for £50"
"£50, your on!" says the bloke digging notes out of his pockets.
the lady hands over the watch and the bloke says to her"thankyou very much but I've got to go it's my stop next" he stands up and starts to walk to the bus door.
the lady calls him back"here deary ain't you forgot something?"
"err what?" says the bloke
"your batterys" says the lady handing him the two huge shopping bags.
moral: technology is all about shopping bags.
......or maybe buses.
Not sure where else to put this but as its a viewsonic product ill try here. Has anyone got or played about with the viewpad? 10" capacitive screen runnign windows 7 and android 1.6.
Quite interested in it but cant seem to find that many reviews, hands on guides to it.
Mainly interested in the windows side of it if it works well enough really for installing windows programs with the android side for apps. Unfortunate its only 1.6 though and not at least 2,1.
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Not sure where else to put this but as its a viewsonic product ill try here. Has anyone got or played about with the viewpad? 10" capacitive screen runnign windows 7 and android 1.6.
Quite interested in it but cant seem to find that many reviews, hands on guides to it.
Mainly interested in the windows side of it if it works well enough really for installing windows programs with the android side for apps. Unfortunate its only 1.6 though and not at least 2,1.
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Unfortunately I don't think you'll find too much interest/help in this section as though Sears Mis-stated that the tablet we bought ($379) was a VP 10 it's actually a GTab10... the difference being the VP10 is a an Atom (Proc.) Based tablet shipped with Windows and Android 1.6 vs. GTab being an ARM/Tegra2, Malata SMB-A1002 Proto design hybrid running a yet fully baked Android 2.2 version... so this new section is for GTabs and the 2 tabs with similar names are totally incompatible beasts
I did try a search and found soem new interesting news for the VP10... it's getting 2.2 update it seems...
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f27/viewsonic-viewpad-10-android-2-2-update-coming-41795/
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Unfortunately I don't think you'll find too much interest/help in this section as though Sears Mis-stated that the tablet we bought ($379) was a VP 10 it's actually a GTab10... the difference being the VP10 is a an Atom (Proc.) Based tablet shipped with Windows and Android 1.6 vs. GTab being an ARM/Tegra2, Malata SMB-A1002 Proto design hybrid running a yet fully baked Android 2.2 version... so this new section is for GTabs and the 2 tabs with similar names are totally incompatible beasts
I did try a search and found soem new interesting news for the VP10... it's getting 2.2 update it seems...
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f27/viewsonic-viewpad-10-android-2-2-update-coming-41795/
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I'm thinking about getting it today, first time seeing it, love the dual boot feature, was looking to either get the tab or a windows tablet, but now I want this, has anyone tried it out yet?
got one
I have a vpad10 (with the official froyo update installed) and can give you my experience...
First one returned with faulty touchscreen, second one fine, both suffer from dubious build quality (creaky joints etc). Screen is good, nice and bright and responsive (2nd time round anyway). Speakers are rubbish... my phone one's are better!
Runs windows 7 well, as well as an atom netbook (which it essentially is). Windows is surprisingly touch friendly, but not a patch on Android. Good for work though as still can't get goodies like MS Office on other tablets. Screen rotates automatically, but is more annoying than useful as I never use it portrait.
If you want it for Android forget it... Android is just a bit of a toy on an x86 processor... can't install all the Google Apps including calendar/contacts. If I keep mine I will probably change partitions to give the whole SSD (a very limited 16gb) to Windows.
In summary, this tablet is not the best of both worlds, rather the best compromise you'll find. Windows won't run on tegra chips, and Android won't play well with Intel (yet).
I'd be happy to answer any other questions anyone has.
I've been using my almost every day since I got it luckily for Christmas last year and love it. Viewsonic has recently updated Android so it can run 2.2 (Froyo) I would link you but I don't have 8 posts.
I'm use it everyday for my work and lifestyle.
jabuzan said:
I have a vpad10 (with the official froyo update installed) and can give you my experience...
First one returned with faulty touchscreen, second one fine, both suffer from dubious build quality (creaky joints etc). Screen is good, nice and bright and responsive (2nd time round anyway). Speakers are rubbish... my phone one's are better!
Runs windows 7 well, as well as an atom netbook (which it essentially is). Windows is surprisingly touch friendly, but not a patch on Android. Good for work though as still can't get goodies like MS Office on other tablets. Screen rotates automatically, but is more annoying than useful as I never use it portrait.
If you want it for Android forget it... Android is just a bit of a toy on an x86 processor... can't install all the Google Apps including calendar/contacts. If I keep mine I will probably change partitions to give the whole SSD (a very limited 16gb) to Windows.
In summary, this tablet is not the best of both worlds, rather the best compromise you'll find. Windows won't run on tegra chips, and Android won't play well with Intel (yet).
I'd be happy to answer any other questions anyone has.
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Just pulled a Viewpad 10PI from ebay with Windows 7. I can't get it to boot into windows unless I have a keyboard installed. Is there a way to make Windows the default OS?
Thanks.
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Just pulled a Viewpad 10PI from ebay with Windows 7. I can't get it to boot into windows unless I have a keyboard installed. Is there a way to make Windows the default OS?
Thanks.
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Mine is the original vpad10, but sounds like your grub loader is the problem. Suggest reinstalling everything - android first then Windows 8 to get the fancy new Windows bootloader screen.
** To update everyone reading my original revue, the latest build of android x86 works brilliantly on this tablet, including all google apps and access to the play store. Windows 8 loads up but due to low screen resolution, will not load metro apps (unless you do a quick reg hack to stretch the screen - google it). After nearly 2 years use and a few drops, it's still going strong, good battery life, and upgraded hdd to 32g is much better.
http://liliputing.com/2011/01/microsoft-next-gen-windows-will-run-on-arm.html
I saw this on some of the CES report too.
I use Windows 7 and enjoy it greatly. But I don't see it as being a tablet operating system. (I actually did use it with a touch/stylus laptop a while.)
But I use my tablets differently. And I won't be using them to do MS Office Work either (except maybe to read/preview.)
I don't know why Microsoft can't figure out that we use different machines for different purposes.
Rev
P. S. -- I didn't write this well -- but I think most power users will get what I'm talking about. One device won't do all things for all people -- not even those made by the fruity folks!
Actually Windows CE was the only real mainstream platform almost 10 years ago on PDAs, like the Casio Cassiopeia. Touch screen, windows support for documents, etc. I could see this on a tablet, it wouldn't be a first. What I find most interesting is how Microsoft sat on their tech back then and let everyone walk around them on mobile devices in under 10 years.
In fact, I still have a working version of the Casio, overclocked and all. I should dig it out, it was a nice little device in its time.
Wtf would you want Windows on your gTab? You're not going to be running the vast majority of software on it...
I'd bet it's for the arm based netbooks
There is absolutely no vesion of windows that would ever work on a tablet device in the way that Apple Os4 for ipad and upcoming honeycomb are designed to work
Tablets are going to replace 50% of the netbook market (for the people who want something even lighter and do not do office type intensive tasks on their net books) and probably result in 1/3rd of the smart phone users abandoning their smart phones in favor of using a tablet (lower data plan, larger screen, faster processors...portable enough to keep with you tucked away some where when a lap top was too heavy). With wi fi springing up nearly EVERYWHERE, there wont even be a need for a month plan/3g/4g set up for 75% of users.
This is going to be a huge market.
Here is how i see it going.
The Google/tablet market is going to dominate in the same way as the Windows/PC market did through the 90s and 00s for the computer.
Apple with its walled garden approach will lose most of its gains in the tablet market and wind up basically in the same market share position it did when going against MS/PC on the computer front.
MS is going to keep pushing its "frankenstein" tablet approach trying to cram a windows OS that is NOT optimized nor designed from the ground up for tablets until it becomes AT BEST the PS3 of tablets (very powerful..the most expensive, with less support, less market share, and really having largly unused features and applications compared to the android).
To continue that analogy, Droid will wind up beig the "xbox" of tablets, while apple will be come the "wii" of tablets and (MS will become the "ps3" of tablets).
Going back to the PC analogy. Droid will become the microsft of tablets, apple will remain....well apple, while microsoft ends up in the category largely reserved for corporate/industrial/server users.
I think you all missed the "next Gen" part, I.e., they're not talking about an existing version of Windows on ARM, so we don't really know what that would look like yet.
Jim
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I think you all missed the "next Gen" part, I.e., they're not talking about an existing version of Windows on ARM, so we don't really know what that would look like yet.
Jim
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"Next generation" in Microsoft speak means "larger, more bloated, slightly more functional than last generation" or at least that has been the case with EVERY SINGLE iteration of MS releases since 1993 when i had a win 3.1 pc ( with the possible exception of win 7 which is basically win vista on a diet with less bugs made more user friendly.
Heck the entire REASON for win64 was to increase the amount of Ram windows can use ( my desk top now runs w 8Gigs of ram).
Win CE win moble never came close to whar ipad os4 is or what i believe honeycomb to be. The upcoming win7 tablets look to repeat history.
I am not saying you are wrong about win8, but if you are right, it would represent a fundamental change in the MS paradigm. SOMETHING i dont believe has ever happened since they ripped off apple os after they ripped off xerox.
MS has stated that Windows 8 will be their biggest gamble yet, supposedly with a more apple like experience.
I see no reason why Windows 8 wouldn't work on the G-Tab.
Microsoft demoed it on a 3 year old laptop last month and aside from a few minor bugs, it worked very smooth.
It will also offer multiple interface options such as a Windows 7 phone like interface as well as a standard windows interface so that could also be very handy if they can pull it off properly.
They also promised ARM process or support and with the dual core processor in the G-Tab (mine currently running at 1.5 ghz) I think I would find it quite handy to be able to run some Windows apps while on the road somewhere.
I'm quite confident we will see a port of Windows 8 for the G-Tab, though I hope they're also able to support dual booting so I'm not stuck with just one OS option.
It seems pretty optimistic of Microsoft to think they can pull all of this off but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt just for trying.
Just my two cents.
-Maj
I'm with Maj, but thee thing is will they make a ARM version of thee OS
A link you might find interesting: http://forums.legitreviews.com/about36766.html
More recent news article:http://rcpmag.com/articles/2011/09/20/analysis-will-windows-8-support-x86-apps-or-wont-it.aspx
Im not a windows fan. I don't want to see another crummy version of windows especially on a tablet. I would rather see droid os on a laptop and oust windows altogether.
I like Windows 7 on my desktop, I have XP and Ubuntu dual-booting on my laptop, and Gingerbread on my Atrix and Gtab.
MS does need to realize that our different devices are used for different purposes and need to be configured and run differently for that. I do not believe they can make it all happen with one OS. You would need such disparate branches that they would essentially be different OSs.
U might be right. I know someone was saying that windowsce 7 was or might be similar since windows 8 is geared from window mobile phone 7
With only 512Mb it will run like a dog, even ice cream sandwich needs more then 512m to run smooth from what I read. Now that the new Nvidia chip being 7 times faster according to Apple, most tablet will be under power to run the new crops of OS IMO.
Way off base on Windows and it's role in our computing lives, and especially off base on what Microsoft can and cannot do. I have many complaints about Microsoft but they are FAR more advanced in mobile than they ever get credit for.
Apple took an iPod OS and made it into a phone and then a tablet. Windows mobile wasn't nearly as good a product but that was partially an attempt to make the mobile devices capable of running what they expected from Microsoft. Apple can get away with abandoning previous functionality (not so easy for them today with the share on tablets and phones) but Microsoft is expected to have that functionality.
If Microsoft would have come out with a capacitive touch tablet with the limitations of the first iPad they would have been justifiably booed. Not the same for Apple or Google who didn't have that legacy.
Windows on a tablet is a natural and will happen. Will it happen on out gTab? Maybe not but that would be more a function of Viewsonic and their ability to support us out into the future than it does with Microsoft.
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Im not a windows fan. I don't want to see another crummy version of windows especially on a tablet. I would rather see droid os on a laptop and oust windows altogether.
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You'd be a fool.
If you want a laptop or desktop to be a productive tool you need the capability a full blown OS offers. Android and our tablets serve a different purpose.
When my tablet gets closer to the capability of my netbook then we can talk about the future of Android.
(I do love my gTab. It works great!)
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Actually Windows CE was the only real mainstream platform almost 10 years ago on PDAs, like the Casio Cassiopeia. Touch screen, windows support for documents, etc. I could see this on a tablet, it wouldn't be a first. What I find most interesting is how Microsoft sat on their tech back then and let everyone walk around them on mobile devices in under 10 years.
In fact, I still have a working version of the Casio, overclocked and all. I should dig it out, it was a nice little device in its time.
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I also have a BE-300! They are a cool little device and it was cutting edge back in the day. The modding on that device was one of the reasons that I bought a gTab, I remember the fun I had flashing and hacking that device. I just ordered a new minolta np 200 battery yesterday and plan to resurect the old girl when it arrives (soldering iron required)!
As for windows 8 I think it looks like a fisher price OS!
Just as an FYI, I was checking out the Windows 8 Consumer trial download page and this is what they posted so far as minimum requirements:
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Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster
RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) (32-bit) or 2 GB (64-bit)
Hard disk space: 16 GB (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
Graphics card: Microsoft DirectX 9 graphics device or higher
To use touch, you need a tablet or monitor that supports multitouch
To access Windows Store and to download and run apps, you need an active Internet connection and a screen resolution of at least 1024 x 768
To snap apps, you need a screen resolution of at least 1366 x 768
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It seems like the GTab is in the ballpark. And from what I read, it is indeed supposed to support ARM architecture. The only concern would be the 512k ram but I still think it's do-able.
-maj
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Just as an FYI, I was checking out the Windows 8 Consumer trial download page and this is what they posted so far as minimum requirements:
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Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster
RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) (32-bit) or 2 GB (64-bit)
Hard disk space: 16 GB (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
Graphics card: Microsoft DirectX 9 graphics device or higher
To use touch, you need a tablet or monitor that supports multitouch
To access Windows Store and to download and run apps, you need an active Internet connection and a screen resolution of at least 1024 x 768
To snap apps, you need a screen resolution of at least 1366 x 768
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It seems like the GTab is in the ballpark. And from what I read, it is indeed supposed to support ARM architecture. The only concern would be the 512k ram but I still think it's do-able.
-maj
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As I recall windows 7 also said 1gb was its minimum ram, but I had it running perfectly fine on an old pentium 2 with 512mb. But as I also recall, Win8 requires a version of arm the gtablet doesn't have.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...3d-pc-gaming-capabilities-to-tegra-3-devices/
downloading now!
Thanks for the info, just bought it!
EDIT: 'Splashtop Streamer does not support applications which need to run in full screen mode now. Please switch to windowed mode.'
...are you friggin kidding me?
As far as i heard, it yet only works with Skyrim?!
I also heard that u need a nvidia gpu in order to get it working...
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SexyAndIKnowIt said:
As far as i heard, it yet only works with Skyrim?!
I also heard that u need a nvidia gpu in order to get it working...
/fail imo
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I have an HD 6XXX series and it works just fine.
Except that Skyrim runs like ****. It works, but it's utter ****. Mouse has a sensitivity that's over 9000, and using an xbox 360 controller only works to look around.
DeKubus said:
Thanks for the info, just bought it!
EDIT: 'Splashtop Streamer does not support applications which need to run in full screen mode now. Please switch to windowed mode.'
...are you friggin kidding me?
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I know.... Pisses me off. Left a 1 star review for a delivery of lies.
I posted this in the other thread, but, just to make sure everyone sees it:
Full-screen support works if you have a NVIDIA GPU that doesn't use Optimus switching functionality. This was actually done a while ago, and works with all versions of Splashtop (regular, HD, THD). You can read about it here.
tim.tahtinen said:
I posted this in the other thread, but, just to make sure everyone sees it:
Full-screen support works if you have a NVIDIA GPU that doesn't use Optimus switching functionality. This was actually done a while ago, and works with all versions of Splashtop (regular, HD, THD). You can read about it here.
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NOWHERE in the description of the app does it state you NEED a NVIDIA Card to have certain features, just that these cards are recommended. Last product I bought from Splashtop, ever.
DeKubus said:
NOWHERE in the description of the app does it state you NEED a NVIDIA Card to have certain features, just that these cards are recommended. Last product I bought from Splashtop, ever.
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This, a thousand times over^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
DeKubus said:
NOWHERE in the description of the app does it state you NEED an NVidia Card to have certain features, just that these cards are recommended. Last product I bought from Splashtop, ever.
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If you look closely, the THD description says nothing about playing full-screen 3D games. That's a feature that's supported by Splashtop Streamer, because it's the piece actually collecting the data from the computer. I imagine there's some sort of low-level tie-in that has to be done on the graphics card to support this high-quality, low-latency video that they're pulling.
If ATI wanted to, they could probably get Splashtop to offer the same level of support with their cards. Who knows, at this point, if they have, or if Splashtop is exclusively in NVIDIA's pocket.
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If you look closely, the THD description says nothing about playing full-screen 3D games. That's a feature that's supported by Splashtop Streamer, because it's the piece actually collecting the data from the computer. I imagine there's some sort of low-level tie-in that has to be done on the graphics card to support this high-quality, low-latency video that they're pulling.
If ATI wanted to, they could probably get Splashtop to offer the same level of support with their cards. Who knows, at this point, if they have, or if Splashtop is exclusively in NVIDIA's pocket.
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Don't know anything about the implementation, but my guess is the Streamer emulates a monitor to fetch the data from the graphics card. At least that's the way I would do things if I had to implement such a software. Any card is capable of doing that. My guess is it is really an exclusivity thing with NVIDIA.
Oh and btw, I never planned on playing any fancy 3D games, I think the task I need Splashtop to perform could be handled even by my good old Riva TNT
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Oh and btw, I never planned on playing any fancy 3D games, I think the task I need Splashtop to perform could be handled even by my good old Riva TNT
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Oh, god, I hope you don't plan on displaying more than an 80s terminal.
tim.tahtinen said:
I posted this in the other thread, but, just to make sure everyone sees it:
Full-screen support works if you have a NVIDIA GPU that doesn't use Optimus switching functionality. This was actually done a while ago, and works with all versions of Splashtop (regular, HD, THD). You can read about it here.
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little slow on understanding this.
Have a Asus N53SN that have Nvidia GT550M and the Intel HD optimus thing.
If i want to make splashtop work best should i some way kill,turn off the intel graphics and make the computer only run on the GT550M? Or can i make it so when i connect to splashtop it switch from Intel HD to GT550M?
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Oh, god, I hope you don't plan on displaying more than an 80s terminal.
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Nah, but would fancy some Blade Runner, so 90s it is
So I have an nvidia gtx 260m on my laptop, and so far this app works extremely well for everything I've tried. They need to make the mouse and prime keyboard work better before you can really use it for gaming, but I played League of Legends in full screen and it actually works pretty well. I used my mouse and keyboard connected to my computer, and it was completely playable, so hopefully once they get the input stuff figured out and add some game profiles, this will be a pretty sweet app if you have an nvidia card already. I also played stepmania some, but that didn't go nearly as well, haha...
I just tried it out, runs like sh*t. However I'm guessing the computer and tablet both have to be sitting directly next to the router, or at least in the same room.
tim.tahtinen said:
I posted this in the other thread, but, just to make sure everyone sees it:
Full-screen support works if you have a NVIDIA GPU that doesn't use Optimus switching functionality. This was actually done a while ago, and works with all versions of Splashtop (regular, HD, THD). You can read about it here.
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I know..we already have a thread further along on new splashtop. lol oh well..its a great app regardless.
Andreas527 said:
little slow on understanding this.
Have a Asus N53SN that have Nvidia GT550M and the Intel HD optimus thing.
If i want to make splashtop work best should i some way kill,turn off the intel graphics and make the computer only run on the GT550M? Or can i make it so when i connect to splashtop it switch from Intel HD to GT550M?
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Your computer should only be using one of these anyways. Why would you ever use your Intel integrated graphics over a dedicated card? Should disable the Intel one so you can free up whatever ram it has partitioned off for itself.
Played Skyrim. Used Onlive Controller. Worked.
edit: it kinda does, but then gets weird. Damnit.
skyrim with logitech f310 controller works like charm. fps could be better (on desktop i have around 80fps and on laptop its around 20 i would say, from the looks of it), but its playable.
I posted this in the general thread but..
So my setup is a i7 2600K with a Gigabyte Z68 motherboard with onboard video connections to take advantage of the Intel HD graphics of the i7 chip. I have a GeForce GTX 580 video card and a dual monitor setup. Couldn't for the life of me get full screen Skyrim working and someone here said that only window mode was supported and that they used a borderless mod..
So I tried unplugging the second monitor. That didn't work. Tried reinstalling drivers on my Windows 7 64-bit machine. That didn';t work.. Contacted Splashtop and they suggested me disabling the Intel graphics option on the mobo. Did that and uninstalled the drivers.. Still windowed mode and Splashtop still didn't say Optimized for NVIDIA.. Then I got this email:
The settings for dual-display-chip case is a little complicated, we also experienced this on ASUS motherboard, not sure same as yours, please take as a reference.
1.check your motherboard, it should have a HDMI interface, attach another monitor with HDMI cable. This is the most important step to be able to utilize nvidia display. (in our case, nvidia display is not default used display)
2.exit Splashtop streamer from system tray
3.find Splashtop streamer program icon(not shortcut) from Windows Start menu, then right click on it
4.you can see a context menu pop-up, and a menu item/sub-menu like "execute by GPU processor.../..nvidia..."
5.by this way, you can see Optimize for Geforce enabled.
Please have a try.
So, I plugged in an HDMI cable from the motherboard to the second unplugged monitor. I rebooted and BAM, Splashtop says Optimized for NVIDIA now. I didn't have to do steps 2-5.
I connected with my Prime and loaded up Skyrim. Finally, it played full screen and it played really really well. No borderless mod, no windows.. It was true full screen.
I'm going to try it with my LTE hotspot next and try USB mouse later on.. but yes, you can get full screen gaming with the right setup and have it play really really well.
it must have changed as i can clearly see it states
Notice: This version is only compatible with NVIDIA’s Tegra 3 equipped tablets (Ice Cream Sandwich). To play Skyrim in FULL screen mode, you need a computer with NVIDIA GeForce graphics card or else the game can only be played in windowed view. Please visit http://bit.ly/ymiiFg for more details.
I just wanted to share my experience with this device for anyone who is curious:
I went ahead and picked up the Chromebook Plus. I had initially thought of it as just a second laptop for quick web browsing. I was instead blown away at the ability to access the Google Play Store. I even side loaded F-Droid.
I managed to install all of the Office 365 mobile apps (some of them required side loading the apk). I also got Netflix, Amazon Prime, and the Spectrum TV App loaded (though the Spectrum app would pixelate and turn green from time to time). I also got Kodi running for Movies...
With Microsoft Remote Desktop app I can remote to my Windows PCs and Servers.
I'm going to see if I can get the thing to VPN into our Corporate Network.
According to settings it's running Android 6.0.1. I can't seem to change the device name (option not there). Also I had an issue with Outlook Mobile because of our MDM policy forcing a password and the device settings don't offer that option. I got around it using BlueMail.
Finally the Samsung Pen is wonderful. I like it better then the Surface Pen.
If there is anything someone wants me to try let me know, but so far I got more than I bargain for and may consider using this as a daily driver especially if I can get Kali Nethunter to work.
thanks for the comments! just got a chromebook plus today
Do you know what the metallic clip that comes in the box is for m
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Do you know what the metallic clip that comes in the box is for m
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It is to pull the PEN's replaceable tips, the replacement tips are also included in the same bag.
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I too got a Samsung Chromebook Plus to replace my Google Pixel C as a tablet with a more robust desktop class browser, with a real keyboard (although the Pixel C stock keyboard is fantastic and makes a world of difference using the Pixel C) track pad. I love the dual USB Type-C ports and the microSD slot. It's like getting a 12" tablet with all the extras.
So far I got most of my Android Apps installed. Except stuff that doesn't work like Widgets, Keyboards, and filemanagers (android apps cant access the microSD card).
Kodi Krypton 17 runs great in full screen immersive mode.
I initially bought an Open Box at Best Buy, the manager was nice enough to manually add in my $100 trade in. It was perfect until I closed it and noticed the bottom front edge was loose, like they didn't tighten 3 of the 4 screws down all the way, leaving a 0.3mm gap I could press down on the cover. Also with Open Box you risk the previous owner redeemed the offers. Google is giving buyers $20 Play Store credit and 100gb Drive storage for 2 years free. So I returned/exchanged it for a new one and paid the difference. (s/n 200,000)
The replacement had severe bluetooth interference. I could not listen to youtube videos without it constantly cutting out sitting in front of the unit, if I turned my head or moved it stuttered. I had to adjust my home wifi and it helped but still was unusable. As soon as I turned this unit on it forced an updated before setup. I mention this because it had issues running Facebook Live streams, which is one of the reasons I went for a Chromebook in the first place, to get a real browser.. It would pay 5-10 secs and get a "something went wrong". Note this happens with all the floor models / brands I tested at Best Buy. It does not happen with the Windows based laptops using Edge or Chrome Browser. So it's a ChromeOS issue. Also when the unit would auto sleep, sometimes it would not wake with the track pad, I had to press the keyboard. (s/n 100,00)
Went back to Best Buy and exchanged it for a higher s/n 200,000 model. Bluetooth works with very nominal stutter, I could walk several rooms away and it would still play fine. The track pad wakes the unit as it should without issue. But Facebook Live streams still only play 5-10 secs then pops up "something went wrong" on Stable channel 56.0.2924.110. So I decided to try switching to the Beta channel. It updated to 57.0.2987.85beta. I went to www.facebook.com/live to test random live streams, chose washington post's April the Giraffe stream and it played for a bit, switched to Michael Phelps live stream it played, went back to April the Giraffe and it gave the same error, I did a few refreshes and it would play and cut out, so it's random.. Again a ChromeOS issue. Live streams on YouTube play fine.
The keyboard is really good. I like the tactile response and clicky-ness compared to the other demo units. The smaller than usual and smaller than other keys tab and backspace are ackward being used to having huge ones on other keyboards. I do tend to have to look and miss, hitting the lock button instead at times. The track pad is great, some mention their finger gets stuck. I say let it "break in", once you get some finger smeg / smoot on it's surface it glides. The Pen is great fun, especially useful when my fingers feel oily, to touch the screen.. The speed and responsiveness is great in ChromeOS and android apps run fine.
I am really happy with it, hopefully Google fixes the issue with ChromeOS, it worked perfect last week before the update.
I am now looking for some type of folio and or skin, as well as a nice Tempered Glass Screen Protector /poke @intelliARMOR
If you have any suggestions or question feel free to ask, I would be willing to answer as well.
For those who own this laptop I wanted to get some advice.
I'm still in love with this laptop. I'm still in awe that I can run Android Apps on this Chromebook. This laptop has become my 2nd device (close to my go to) for everything.
Now here is where i'm having trouble. I read about the upcoming Samsung Chromebook Pro. It runs Intel instead of ARM and cost an extra $$$.
Now I would like to install a linux distro on it. I see that there aren't many ARM supported distros. So the question is should I:
1. Hold on to the Chromebook Plus and hope someone will make a good Linux ARM distro
2. Return the Chromebook Plus and pick up the Chromebook Pro
Thanks in advance..
I have Xenial/xfce running on it through crouton. I'm not even close to being an expert on ubuntu, but it seems to be working ok, with a couple querks (which may be me not understanding linux).
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what's the benefit of getting the netflix or amazon prime video android app if you can simply use the website btw?
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also, are you using smart lock with an android phone successfully on your chromebook?
Well I found a bug. I think it's within in ARC itself. ARC doesn't come with Device Manager (Settings >> Personal >> Services >> Device Manager) Missing the Device Management feature dwarfs the ability to get MDM going on it. With out MDM I can't access my Corporate Office 365 E-Mail using the Outlook Mobile App. (I ended up resorting to good old OWA for now).
I also learned that if you wanted to install an APK from the Google Play Store that is "not compatible" with your device, you will need to move your Chromebook in Developer Mode. It is only in this mode you can install APKs from unknown sources.
Sadly I had to give up the laptop and returned it today (grudgingly) . I was unaware that a "Pro" version was coming out in April with an Intel chip. While the ARM-OP1 can hold its own to everything I threw at it, the area that I'm concerned with the very limited options of Linux for ARM. So I'm going to wait out the next few weeks till I can get it. I heard April 12th so I'll report sometime then.
Did you have to enable developer mode to install the APKs?
Nice write up, thank you. I am currently really struggling with my decision on what to get next between the Pixel C, Samsung Galaxy Tab S3, Acer R13, Samsung Plus/Pro. I am coming from the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 and as you can see, I am struggling on whether to go with a Tablet or a Chromebook.
Of course the best of all worlds would be a Chromebook with a detachable screen, but then I would probably have to wait another year. Any advice? Is it awkward/hard to use this while laying in bed in tablet mode?
I am using the Samsung Chromebook Plus. I also have the Note 10.1 2014. If you do use the stylus on the Note, the Samsung Chromebook Plus (SC+) also comes with a stylus.
The SC+ is a little larger than the Note and, thus, a little heavier.
The SC+ runs Chromeos but also runs Android apps.
While in bed, I lay on my back, while reading an ebook or surfing the web. So holding the SC+ as a tablet is a little awkward, because of the weight. However, keeping the SC+ as a laptop, I prop the keyboard portion of the SC+ on my belly, taking the weight off my hands and arms. I adjust the sceen to my liking. When I need to shift to my side, it's already in laptop mode, so I would adjust my screen again to my liking while resting on the bed.
The lightest Android tablet I have is the Sony Xperia Z4 tablet. It is really light weight. While I like this tablet, I'm moving more towards the SC+ for everyday use, because of the keyboard portion.
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I love mine, depite a few little problems with Linux support.
Work offered to buy us gadgets with some left-over funds. I decided to go for this beast, as my iPad 2 and previous Samsung Chromebook (2015 version) had both died recently.
My thoughts:
Android stuff works pretty well so far. ChromeOS has matured a bit, but Android App Store is very welcome. The screen is huge & gorgeous, way too bright, and the keyboard is decent.
It didn't take me long to decide to put it in Developer mode -- I needed a fuller Linux than stock provides (no zsh?!?) -- and got Crouton up and running with no trouble.
The first Linux distro that I found with explicit support for this new box was ArchArm, I'm a Red Hat admin by trade and a Debian/embedded tinkerer by hobby, so I was a bit confused by Arch's way of doing things. Still, it's a solid distro, and once I got dhcpcd running on a USB ethernet dongle, I was able to get the bits I needed to feel more comfortable.
Incidentally, I tried several Desktop Environments, (at work I use xfce4 on RHEL7.3) and decided that Cinnamon is far and away the best fit for the CB+. It has built-in support for the HiDPi touch display & touchpad, and is easy enough to add the keyboard shortcuts to mimic most of the special Google-style keys.
I installed Arch on the SD card, so at the boot screen I can hit ctrl-u to boot linux or ctrl-d to boot into ChromeOS dev mode.
Two caveats: I have not had time or much reason to play with the stylus, in either environment, you'll need someone else's opinion for that.
Second, strangely, although wifi works under Arch, the reception is much, much weaker than under ChromeOS. I'm still investigating this, I know a magnesium-framed, aluminum-shelled device is going to be at a disadvantage with RF, but the mimo wifi setup works well under ChromeOS, so I assume it'll get better as Arch matures.
I'd give it an A as a Chromebook, B as a general Linux box, B+ as an Android device, and I expect the Bs to come up with patches.
So far I love mine for all of the reasons everyone . I am coming from an older Chromebook. My only issue is that sometimes the screen stays black after opening the Chromebook from a powered down state. I have to hold the power button down to get the power off, shut the screen and wait 10-20 seconds to try again. Is anyone else seeing this issue?
I'm so glad I found this thread. I just bought a Samsung Chromebook and didn't even know about the free offers like the Google Play Music, Drive Storage and $20 Play Credit. Today was the last day to redeem them too. Thanks for the info.
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I have had this laptop for a few months now, and have tried several things on it. Linux, dev mode, constant blowing it away...etc.
I will say this. I really had hope that this addition of android play store would help me change the way I work.... and you know what.... IT DID.
Now with all things there are trade offs, etc... and this laptop is no different, but as the months go by, the apps are getting better and better. There are very few apps that now have issues with the Samsung Chromebook Plus. It takes just about everything I have thrown at it, even playing command and conquest and GTA vice city.
I think of this laptop as a tablet with a perm keyboard for those times I need to lift a little heavier or quicker. The Pen is fantastic.
If you want a complete replacement, this laptop comes pretty dang close. If you are willing to think out of the box, this could easily be your next favorite goto.
Next steps for me... I would really like to nuke this thing and get an actual android OS kernel booting on it, with everything working. More on that later.
could you make a tutorial on how to install linux on the samsung chromebook plus?
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Work offered to buy us gadgets with some left-over funds. I decided to go for this beast, as my iPad 2 and previous Samsung Chromebook (2015 version) had both died recently.
My thoughts:
Android stuff works pretty well so far. ChromeOS has matured a bit, but Android App Store is very welcome. The screen is huge & gorgeous, way too bright, and the keyboard is decent.
It didn't take me long to decide to put it in Developer mode -- I needed a fuller Linux than stock provides (no zsh?!?) -- and got Crouton up and running with no trouble.
The first Linux distro that I found with explicit support for this new box was ArchArm, I'm a Red Hat admin by trade and a Debian/embedded tinkerer by hobby, so I was a bit confused by Arch's way of doing things. Still, it's a solid distro, and once I got dhcpcd running on a USB ethernet dongle, I was able to get the bits I needed to feel more comfortable.
Incidentally, I tried several Desktop Environments, (at work I use xfce4 on RHEL7.3) and decided that Cinnamon is far and away the best fit for the CB+. It has built-in support for the HiDPi touch display & touchpad, and is easy enough to add the keyboard shortcuts to mimic most of the special Google-style keys.
I installed Arch on the SD card, so at the boot screen I can hit ctrl-u to boot linux or ctrl-d to boot into ChromeOS dev mode.
Two caveats: I have not had time or much reason to play with the stylus, in either environment, you'll need someone else's opinion for that.
Second, strangely, although wifi works under Arch, the reception is much, much weaker than under ChromeOS. I'm still investigating this, I know a magnesium-framed, aluminum-shelled device is going to be at a disadvantage with RF, but the mimo wifi setup works well under ChromeOS, so I assume it'll get better as Arch matures.
I'd give it an A as a Chromebook, B as a general Linux box, B+ as an Android device, and I expect the Bs to come up with patches.
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[ive tried multiple times to install 4 different type of linux os with no success if you would be so kind as to help me it would be very appreciated. something light, but wholesome.]
2.4G wifi Problems
I love the chromebook plus with one exception....2.4G wifi has been almost unusable. I have tried with 4 different routers, but I am unable to get more than 2 to 3Mbps no matter how close I am to the router. Range is awful. Every other device gets over 70Mbps under the same conditions. 5G works much better but still doesn't perform as well as most other devices.
Has anybody else experienced extremely poor performance with 2.4G wifi? Any suggestions?
Thanks
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I love the chromebook plus with one exception....2.4G wifi has been almost unusable. I have tried with 4 different routers, but I am unable to get more than 2 to 3Mbps no matter how close I am to the router. Range is awful. Every other device gets over 70Mbps under the same conditions. 5G works much better but still doesn't perform as well as most other devices.
Has anybody else experienced extremely poor performance with 2.4G wifi? Any suggestions?
Thanks
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Turned out to be a defective unit. Exchanged for another Chromebook Plus. 2.4G working properly now. Overall Wifi performance is still not very good compared to other devices.
Guys, I am planning to buy Chromebook Plus as well. How has your experience been since you bought it?
Any tips, accessory recommendations etc
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Guys, I am planning to buy Chromebook Plus as well. How has your experience been since you bought it?
Any tips, accessory recommendations etc
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pretty amazing
only downside is I can't consistently use Smart Unlock for Chromebook with my OnePlus 3 or Pixel 2 XL