With Samsung ditching Exynos. Will bootloaders come unlocked from now on? North America? Europe?
More than likely. Snaps are notoriously hard to root. I wouldn't even consider it with my N10+'s.
Newer models will likely be even more locked down.
Samsung doesn't care to have the niche market of power users anymore. A market they help to create. They just want your green backs.
Samsung used to advertise how they weren't like Apple. Not anymore. Apple did better in the last quarter too. Great plan Sammy... more of the bs that got you into this hole.
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More than likely. Snaps are notoriously hard to root. I wouldn't even consider it with my N10+'s.
Newer models will likely be even more locked down.
Samsung doesn't care to have the niche market of power users anymore. A market they help to create. They just want your green backs.
Samsung used to advertise how they weren't like Apple. Not anymore. Apple did better in the last quarter too. Great plan Sammy... more of the bs that got you into this hole.
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not really hard its just depends on the manufacturer
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More than likely. Snaps are notoriously hard to root. I wouldn't even consider it with my N10+'s.
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It's not like that. Usually before S22 Samsung was giving SD version only to limited carrier and those are locked bootloader so not possible /hard to root
Since S22 many regions got SD like Asian countries and those SD version are as easy to root like exynos
So irrespective of SD or Exynos, root capabilities should remain same regional specific rather than CPU specific
The only SnapDragon CPU devices that are hard to root, are the devices usually designed for South America, at least when it comes to Samsung devices.
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It's not like that. Usually before S22 Samsung was giving SD version only to limited carrier and those are locked bootloader so not possible /hard to root
Since S22 many regions got SD like Asian countries and those SD version are as easy to root like exynos
So irrespective of SD or Exynos, root capabilities should remain same regional specific rather than CPU specific
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Good news then once proven.
Unfortunately I'm in the US. There's also the Knox efuse that gets tripped. That's ok though as my only real incentive to root would be to get out of Android 11 or higher load. Pie remains my favorite version. The way things are going I'll likely ditch Samsung once I stop using my N10+'s years from now.
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It's not like that. Usually before S22 Samsung was giving SD version only to limited carrier and those are locked bootloader so not possible /hard to root
Since S22 many regions got SD like Asian countries and those SD version are as easy to root like exynos
So irrespective of SD or Exynos, root capabilities should remain same regional specific rather than CPU specific
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Hi, i Have now switched to Samsung after years of Oneplus, my journey ended then with the Samsung S5 and started with the OP5t and 8t so far.
Now I have turned back to Samsung and would be very happy to get root support of the Samsung S23 Ultra from you.
I've been watching your site since the S21 and think their work is great.
If one purchases the Tweaks Pro package from you, is there also a Telegram or general support group? I would be happy to join there.
U.S. Carriers demand that Bootloader's be locked down. So it is highly unlikely U.S. models will be unlockable anytime soon.
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U.S. Carriers demand that Bootloader's be locked down. So it is highly unlikely U.S. models will be unlockable anytime soon.
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This is false. Verizon demands it but AT&T and T-Mobile don't care once it has been paid off and SIM unlocked.
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This is false. Verizon demands it but AT&T and T-Mobile don't care once it has been paid off and SIM unlocked.
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Not False according to this. U.S. S22 models were not rootable so why would the U.S. S23 models be any different?
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Not False according to this. U.S. S22 models were not rootable so why would the U.S. S23 models be any different?
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I am saying it's false that carriers demand it. They've sold other devices that have unlockable bootloaders, it's just Samsung that does the full lockdown nonsense. Also, if it was just the carriers demanding it, the factory unlocked model would be bootloader unlockable as the carriers can't control those - and it is well known that they're in fact not unlockable either. Samsung makes a choice to lock down the US devices.
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I am saying it's false that carriers demand it. They've sold other devices that have unlockable bootloaders, it's just Samsung that does the full lockdown nonsense. Also, if it was just the carriers demanding it, the factory unlocked model would be bootloader unlockable as the carriers can't control those - and it is well known that they're in fact not unlockable either. Samsung makes a choice to lock down the US devices.
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Probably true about the US variants but make no mistake Samsung is actively partnered with at least AT&T. AT&T provides Samsung with the firmware specs they want. AT&T therefore has much more leverage than an individual consumer with Samsung. Don't ever let AT&T play off issues by saying they have no input or control of the firmware as in fact they very much do.
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Probably true about the US variants but make no mistake Samsung is actively partnered with at least AT&T. AT&T provides Samsung with the firmware specs they want. AT&T therefore has much more leverage than an individual consumer with Samsung. Don't ever let AT&T play off issues by saying they have no input or control of the firmware as in fact they very much do.
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Qualcomm Snapdragon chipsets are high quality and incur higher BoM (Bill of Material).
Network providers in U.S.A such as Verizon have stringent requirements which Qualcomm SoC pass. Samsung needs to use Snapdragon SoC if they want to launch their devices there.
In order to maintain profit healthy, Samsung use their SoC in other regions.
Further proof that Qualcomm and US Carriers are in the cahoots together and probably why Samsung locks the bootloader because that's the way the carriers want it.
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Probably true about the US variants but make no mistake Samsung is actively partnered with at least AT&T. AT&T provides Samsung with the firmware specs they want. AT&T therefore has much more leverage than an individual consumer with Samsung. Don't ever let AT&T play off issues by saying they have no input or control of the firmware as in fact they very much do.
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AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile are actively involved in firmware for their devices and for unlocked devices with their network SIM cards but that would never stop Samsung from having an unlocked bootloader on the factory unlocked device if they cared to allow it. They like having us locked in.
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They like having us locked in.
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Truth. I've had my fill of Samsung's bs. I'll run my N10+'s as long as they're serviceable on Android 9/10 and fulfilling their mission. After which who ever has the best UI, display, form factor, expandable storage and hopefully an spen. Probably 3-5 years from now
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Truth. I've had my fill of Samsung's bs. I'll run my N10+'s as long as they're serviceable on Android 9/10 and fulfilling their mission. After which who ever has the best UI, display, form factor, expandable storage and hopefully an spen. Probably 3-5 years from now
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Personally I don't really care about the locked bootloader cause I have no need to root. I just want Decent Battery Life, Incredible Camera Photos and a Great Gaming experience and Samsung can lock the bootloader till hell freezes over and it won't bother me a bit.
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Personally I don't really care about the locked bootloader cause I have no need to root. I just want Decent Battery Life, Incredible Camera Photos and a Great Gaming experience and Samsung can lock the bootloader till hell freezes over and it won't bother me a bit.
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I run stock as well... and once optimized they run well. Not optimized they're hot running power hogs. Expandable storage is not negotiable for me. Every computer I own is dual drive by intent.
One thing that I don't like about Samsung is they're always mucking with the Package Disabler apps trying to shut them down over the misuse of the Knox licensing.
Samsung could include a native disabler app. Been suggesting that to them for 8 years running. Samsung's customer support is worse than Sony's... and Sony's is terrible.
If the N10+ was like the N9 I be in a jam, fortunately it's a huge performance leap. Enough so that nothing since it compels me to replace it.
There's been nothing in 3+ years from Samsung that can directly supersede it. Don't need 5G, prefer the better color/gamma accuracy over variable refresh rate displays, and don't want a thicker, heavier phone with less SOT!
So it's the hardware that's the primary issue for me along with Android 11 and up. I want Samsung to provide workarounds for scoped storage in the UI. Fat chance. So then an unlocked bootloader is the only way to achieve this and even then it be a major pain. I don't pay for pain... got lots of it for free
Received today polish 1tb SM-S918B
Oem unlock is switchable
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Personally I don't really care about the locked bootloader cause I have no need to root. I just want Decent Battery Life, Incredible Camera Photos and a Great Gaming experience and Samsung can lock the bootloader till hell freezes over and it won't bother me a bit.
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Then why are you on xda? I mean, xda has been known for years for development,tinkering and rooting. Anyways, rooting for viper4android, custom fonts, de bloating, customizing anything you desire is why people root.
Been rooting since android 2 but can't even get this S23 into bootloader or recovery mode. It always boots normally regardless of which buttons I hold. What's the correct procedure?
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Anybody interested in the bootloader and unlocking it I encourage you to sign this petition. These phones are ours to use how we see fit and the more noise we make the better our chances are. I bought this phone under the assumption that nothing had changed and for Samsung to change their policies without notice isn't acceptable for me and hopefully you as well. Thank you
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Anybody interested in the bootloader and unlocking it I encourage you to sign this petition. These phones are ours to use how we see fit and the more noise we make the better our chances are. I bought this phone under the assumption that nothing had changed and for Samsung to change their policies without notice isn't acceptable for me and hopefully you as well. Thank you
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Bootloaders have been locked down on samsung devices for a long time. Tmobile was lucky enough to have them open. This will never happen.
this is the end..
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Never happened with the Note 3 despite similar petitions, likely never going to happen with the S7 either. I do agree that if you own the phone outright (not on a lease from AT&T) then you should be able to do as you please with it and once you completed the lease then you should be allowed to unlock the bootloader.
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Never happened with the Note 3 despite similar petitions, likely never going to happen with the S7 either. I do agree that if you own the phone outright (not on a lease from AT&T) then you should be able to do as you please with it and once you completed the lease then you should be allowed to unlock the bootloader.
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I would like to say that technically through ATT it is not a lease, it is a payment plan. That would be like buying a house or a car not leasing in which case they are both considered yours right off the bat. Yes you are making payments on it but if the deal is done properly you will never return the phone to ATT making it yours, unlike a lease.
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I would like to say that technically through ATT it is not a lease, it is a payment plan. That would be like buying a house or a car not leasing in which case they are both considered yours right off the bat. Yes you are making payments on it but if the deal is done properly you will never return the phone to ATT making it yours, unlike a lease.
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That is a very good point, however I can at least understand with AT&T that until you pay for that phone in full it is not considered yours. I would not be surprised if they have something in the fine print on the Next plan that says something to that effect. Note - I do agree with you entirely, I am paying for a phone and should be able to do whatever the heck I want with it.
If you're going to write a petition to these companies, you should run it through a proofreader and spell check. Nobody will take that seriously written the way it is. Also, if you want it to gain more traction, you should probably share it in the Galaxy S7 subreddit as well at www.reddit.com/r/galaxys7.
Don't think it will happen with Samsung Pay. They are very protective of it.
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With no upgrade availability for any of the phone numbers on my account, I paid full price for my S7 Edge, so I own my phone outright and want the bootloader unlocked!
What happens when this reaches 1500? With a locked bootloader aren't things such as root and safestrap still feasible?
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What happens when this reaches 1500? With a locked bootloader aren't things such as root and safestrap still feasible?
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Yes root it possible. Not sure about safe strap.
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Yes root it possible. Not sure about safe strap.
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Root is still a longshot and I'd go as far as saying that safestrap won't happen at all. Look at the past, the AT&T S6 barely got root, still doesn't have more than like 2 ROMs, and is entirely dependent on one root method that supports two specific builds and an app called Flashfire. Samsung, on behalf of the carriers, is doing everything in their power to make rooting and custom ROMs an impossible feat. With that being said, let's take a look at the AT&T Note 5. It still has just received root from the same people who are supporting root on the S6 (from what I've seen, PingPongRoot was born and died with an earlier S6 build). The majority of the big devs who used to put in the work for supporting Samsung devices have all jumped ship to devices that aren't as heavily locked down. Unfortunately, I think the dev scene for Samsung devices that aren't the international or T-Mobile versions is pretty much dead (even the Tmo Note 5 isn't getting much love). The only redemption here is that the S7 uses a qualcomm processor, not an exynos, which is much more heavily documented, meaning that if someone is able to crack open the bootloader, the ROMs (and more importantly, the kernels) will be much easier to build. This is all just my 2 cents, I hope someone does accomplish the unthinkable and achieve all of this, but in the meantime, if you want to stick with Samsung, buckle up and enjoy the stock touchwiz. You'll probably be on it for a while.
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Root is still a longshot and I'd go as far as saying that safestrap won't happen at all. Look at the past, the AT&T S6 barely got root, still doesn't have more than like 2 ROMs, and is entirely dependent on one root method that supports two specific builds and an app called Flashfire. Samsung, on behalf of the carriers, is doing everything in their power to make rooting and custom ROMs an impossible feat. With that being said, let's take a look at the AT&T Note 5. It still has just received root from the same people who are supporting root on the S6 (from what I've seen, PingPongRoot was born and died with an earlier S6 build). The majority of the big devs who used to put in the work for supporting Samsung devices have all jumped ship to devices that aren't as heavily locked down. Unfortunately, I think the dev scene for Samsung devices that aren't the international or T-Mobile versions is pretty much dead (even the Tmo Note 5 isn't getting much love). The only redemption here is that the S7 uses a qualcomm processor, not an exynos, which is much more heavily documented, meaning that if someone is able to crack open the bootloader, the ROMs (and more importantly, the kernels) will be much easier to build. This is all just my 2 cents, I hope someone does accomplish the unthinkable and achieve all of this, but in the meantime, if you want to stick with Samsung, buckle up and enjoy the stock touchwiz. You'll probably be on it for a while.
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I agree with you. The real kicker for me is what T-Mobile is doing, which is my carrier. Almost every device on tmo had the ability to get root and be unlocked. But they are getting on board with Verizon and AT&T and requested devices be locked down. Then they lie to us and say it's the manufacturers. They had them lock down the LG g5, which LG always gave us a unlock method,.garbage.
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dubbactrumpetmsu said:
If you're going to write a petition to these companies, you should run it through a proofreader and spell check. Nobody will take that seriously written the way it is. Also, if you want it to gain more traction, you should probably share it in the Galaxy S7 subreddit as well at www.reddit.com/r/galaxys7.
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I agree with you, I would love to sign a petition and I'm glad someone started one, but this petition has too many mistakes to even count. I doubt any company is going to take it very seriously. No disrespect intended to the person who wrote it, but it needs to be re-written.
Best hope for us is for the mandatory arbitration clause to go away. That would enable a group of users to sue when a locked bootloader prevents them from upgraded their phone. Older phones are susceptible to vulnerabilities because AT&T doesn't continue to roll out updates and the locked bootloader prevents you from updating the phone on your own.
I could be wrong, but I think this could be a pathway.
In the history of these sites and smartphones I don't think any company has ever unlocked the bootloader for any petition, and there have been plenty of them. I don't think they ever will. As much as I agree that it shouldn't be locked, especially if you outright own the phone, this is just a lost cause.
This thread about an app called "crom" in China is interesting: http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-s7-edge/help/code-t3379915/page24
Posted in the Sprint S7 edge forums. I guess the China varient is able to have its bootloader unlocked with this app...
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This thread about an app called "crom" in China is interesting: http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-s7-edge/help/code-t3379915/page24
Posted in the Sprint S7 edge forums. I guess the China varient is able to have its bootloader unlocked with this app...
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China's bootloader isn't as locked down as ours in the states is...[emoji30]
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Hello all, I'm making a thread hoping somebody with far more experience than I in this field can answer some questions that I have.
My current personal smartphone is a Samsung Galaxy Stardust "S766C". It's currently running Android 4.3 Jellybean, and is on the Tracfone network.
Recently, I've noticed a number of apps that I've wanted to install only support Android 4.4 or higher. (Yes, Pokemon GO is one of them). I've checked with my phone's software update, and it doesn't seem any updates are available for my OS, so it doesn't seem I'll be getting any further official updates for this device.
So what I was wondering, is if it's possible to root this phone and install a newer, more compatible OS, such as 5.0 or 6.0? I've also heard custom ROMs can also accomplish a similar feat. Basically, what would I need to do to get these apps installed and functioning normally, without bricking my phone or accidentally discontinuing service?
I've conducted a bit of research, but have been scarce in finding specific tutorials or solutions to my given scenario. I really do not want to upgrade my phone, I purchased it less than a year ago and the hardware is still more-than-enough to meet my needs.
Thanks.
Unfortunately it does not look like there are any options to update your phone, whether officially or unofficially. That's one of the downsides to having a less popular phone on a less popular network. Tracfone and Samsung couldn't care less to update a $100 phone as it's hard enough for them to keep up with the Galaxy S and Note lines while the developers that are into modding phones don't have the inclination or the source code from Samsung for devices like these to be able to make newer versions of Android run properly on older devices. As far as Pokemon Go, you might want to keep an eye on this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/help/to-patch-pokemon-to-4-3-jelly-bean-beta-t3412608, though be warned that there are some unofficial versions floating around that might have some spyware included: https://blogs.mcafee.com/mcafee-labs/trojanized-pokemon-go-android-app-found-wild/.
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Unfortunately it does not look like there are any options to update your phone, whether officially or unofficially. That's one of the downsides to having a less popular phone on a less popular network. Tracfone and Samsung couldn't care less to update a $100 phone as it's hard enough for them to keep up with the Galaxy S and Note lines while the developers that are into modding phones don't have the inclination or the source code from Samsung for devices like these to be able to make newer versions of Android run properly on older devices. As far as Pokemon Go, you might want to keep an eye on this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/help/to-patch-pokemon-to-4-3-jelly-bean-beta-t3412608, though be warned that there are some unofficial versions floating around that might have some spyware included: https://blogs.mcafee.com/mcafee-labs/trojanized-pokemon-go-android-app-found-wild/.
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I see, that's unfortunate, I was really hoping there would be at least some sort of option available to give this phone some extra life, but I guess I'll have to look into upgrading sooner than I originally thought.
I'll keep an eye on the Pokemon GO thread, but it doesn't seem like they're getting anywhere too quickly.
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I see, that's unfortunate, I was really hoping there would be at least some sort of option available to give this phone some extra life, but I guess I'll have to look into upgrading sooner than I originally thought.
I'll keep an eye on the Pokemon GO thread, but it doesn't seem like they're getting anywhere too quickly.
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Not sure what kind of budget you're working with, but if you know someone with an Amazon Prime account, you can get the new Blu HD R1 for $60 with 2 GBs of RAM, 16 GB storage + SD card slot, quad core Mediatek processor, 5" 720P screen, 8 MP camera, and 6.0 Marshmallow. It's nothing special and the discount is because it has lockscreen ads, but it's an upgrade over your current phone in most every way, and is unlocked for any GSM network (Tracfone has GSM and CDMA options). You can remove ads by just replacing the lockscreen with a 3rd party app. Got one coming this week to give to my mom.
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Not sure what kind of budget you're working with, but if you know someone with an Amazon Prime account, you can get the new Blu HD R1 for $60 with 2 GBs of RAM, 16 GB storage + SD card slot, quad core Mediatek processor, 5" 720P screen, 8 MP camera, and 6.0 Marshmallow. It's nothing special and the discount is because it has lockscreen ads, but it's an upgrade over your current phone in most every way, and is unlocked for any GSM network (Tracfone has GSM and CDMA options). You can remove ads by just replacing the lockscreen with a 3rd party app. Got one coming this week to give to my mom.
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I do have Amazon Prime, but only the student version. I get free shipping, but I suppose this deal is not included. Total for that phone comes to $109, out of my budget range by about a mile.
I also couldn't find any confirmation that it worked with Tracfone, only Verizon, AT&T, and Net10. Theoretically, it'll just work if I purchase the $1 BYOP Tracfone kit?
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I do have Amazon Prime, but only the student version. I get free shipping, but I suppose this deal is not included. Total for that phone comes to $109, out of my budget range by about a mile.
I also couldn't find any confirmation that it worked with Tracfone, only Verizon, AT&T, and Net10. Theoretically, it'll just work if I purchase the $1 BYOP Tracfone kit?
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There's 2 versions of the phone - regular and the one with ads that is $50 off. I'm not sure about whether that is an option for the student version of Prime or not.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H2E0J5M/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 - see if that link works for you.
But yea, works on Tmo or ATT and I think Tracfone can support either, if I remember right. ATT network for sure.
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There's 2 versions of the phone - regular and the one with ads that is $50 off. I'm not sure about whether that is an option for the student version of Prime or not.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H2E0J5M/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 - see if that link works for you.
But yea, works on Tmo or ATT and I think Tracfone can support either, if I remember right. ATT network for sure.
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Yep, same link that I followed, I can purchase it even though it says "only for prime members", but for $109.
Lame. Have to befriend someone else with a regular Prime account.
Hi guys, I'm yet consistently looking for a way to bypass the Samsung Galaxy S9+ Snapdragon's bootloader (SM-G965W) and root the device. Please let me know if I have missed any progress on the S9+ SD root that took place from my sight. There are few links out there, but all of them want to start with "activate OEM unlock." In my case, the OEM option doesn't even exist in the SM-G965W model (in developer mode).
Good luck. :silly:
Even if you flash to the U1 firmware, OEM Unlock still does not appear in Developer Options.
Based on previous history over the last few years , and lack of ANY progress in this area.
Hell will freeze over before this ever happens.
Sell the crapdragon and buy an exynos, problem solved...well other than waiting 168hrs of up time for OEM unlock to appear.
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Based on previous history over the last few years , and lack of ANY progress in this area.
Hell will freeze over before this ever happens.
Sell the crapdragon and buy an exynos, problem solved...well other than waiting 168hrs of up time for OEM unlock to appear.
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I thought the exynos varient is inferior in terms of battery life and gpu?
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I thought the exynos varient is inferior in terms of battery life and gpu?
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A minute variance. Not that great. However its all perspective.
I would agree on GPU for sure but if you dont game it wont matter.
I was worried about the battery life before i bought mine honestly but its been great. Close to par with my pixel 2 XL so i have no complaints.
I did mean more in the sense of not being locked down, we have twrp, root, roms , kernels etc.
The snap is a paperweight in this regard.
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I would agree on GPU for sure but if you dont game it wont matter.
I was worried about the battery life before i bought mine honestly but its been great. Close to par with my pixel 2 XL so i have no complaints.
I did mean more in the sense of not being locked down, we have twrp, root, roms , kernels etc.
The snap is a paperweight in this regard.
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Seeing that your using an iPhone you have no say lol. j/k
jolly_roger_hook said:
Seeing that your using an iPhone you have no say lol. j/k
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Even if you flash to the U1 firmware, OEM Unlock still does not appear in Developer Options.
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Wow, that's painful.
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Seeing that your using an iPhone you have no say lol. j/k
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Haha, hey i wont hold it against you...I use it for work...thats all trust me
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bigmaster said:
Hi guys, I'm yet consistently looking for a way to bypass the Samsung Galaxy S9+ Snapdragon's bootloader (SM-G965W) and root the device. Please let me know if I have missed any progress on the S9+ SD root that took place from my sight. There are few links out there, but all of them want to start with "activate OEM unlock." In my case, the OEM option doesn't even exist in the SM-G965W model (in developer mode).
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The U and W variants are never unlockable, and as it stands now all preexisting root methods for previous devices have been patched.
The U1 variant is not, nor has t ever been bootloader unlockable. The "unlocked" in it's name refers to the fact that it is sim unlocked and can work on any carrier.
There is however a snapdragon device that does have an unlockable bootloader. It's the 9650/9600 and last year with the s8 it was only available in China/Hong Kong, but this year with the so family they are selling it in Central and South America, so there is modem firmware that works perfectly fine in the US.
I'm writing this on one now, with 4g+ and volte on vzw using stock firmware, and oem lock off and 0x1 knox waiting for RMM status normal to flash twrp again
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The U and W variants are never unlockable, and as it stands now all preexisting root methods for previous devices have been patched.
The U1 variant is not, nor has t ever been bootloader unlockable. The "unlocked" in it's name refers to the fact that it is sim unlocked and can work on any carrier.
There is however a snapdragon device that does have an unlockable bootloader. It's the 9650/9600 and last year with the s8 it was only available in China/Hong Kong, but this year with the so family they are selling it in Central and South America, so there is modem firmware that works perfectly fine in the US.
I'm writing this on one now, with 4g+ and volte on vzw using stock firmware, and oem lock off and 0x1 knox waiting for RMM status normal to flash twrp again
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Finally, a matured answer to my sincere question; many out there just wanted to show off that they are better than others and full of mockeries. Thank you @partcyborg for enlightening me on this issue; so the million dollars answer is 9650/9600 model firmware for my SM-G965W? :good:
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Finally, a matured answer to my sincere question; many out there just wanted to show off that they are better than others and full of mockeries. Thank you @partcyborg for enlightening me on this issue; so the million dollars answer is 9650/9600 model firmware for my SM-G965W? :good:
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That will instantly hard brick your device if you are successful in flashing it (most likely, you simply wouldnt be). Samsung specifically uses different chains of trust for these devices to keep US users from doing exactly this. We had several hard bricks to edl with the s8 caused by this, and were unable to fix them ourselves until the firehose programmer popped up letting us flash from edl.
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That will instantly hard brick your device if you are successful in flashing it (most likely, you simply wouldnt be). Samsung specifically uses different chains of trust for these devices to keep US users from doing exactly this. We had several hard bricks to edl with the s8 caused by this, and were unable to fix them ourselves until the firehose programmer popped up letting us flash from edl.
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Thanks. So what should I do, I don't want to give up on "rooting" my phone? Please help.
bigmaster said:
Thanks. So what should I do, I don't want to give up on "rooting" my phone? Please help.
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Bro im not sure how up to date you are on the US snap S9 or how much experience or past history you have with sammy but there is no option for root on that device now.
You either can wait to see if it happens which it may, but historically its broken and makes the device run terrible (s7) or limits charging (s8).
Or ditch the locked down POS and go with an exynos or a HK snap version. Which is IMO the best option which is why i went exynos.
Sorry to be blunt but those are your current options.
sent from my Exynos S9 plus, Pixel 2 XL or Note FE
bigmaster said:
Thanks. So what should I do, I don't want to give up on "rooting" my phone? Please help.
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My guess is the 960U/965U will be rooted eventually, but as the previous commented alludes to, it wont be the same as a device with OEM unlock. Long story short, you can flash system images but not boot or recovery, and as such no one really bothers to make roms for it. For a stretch I had the only G950U/G955U rom on the site.
I agree get rid of it if you can With two options existing this year for unlocked international devices, there is really no reason to go another way if you can afford it. Return the 965U if you can, or sell it online if you cant. My only difference in opinion is I think the 9650 (unlocked snapdragon) is a better buy this year, given that:
1) The Exynos has really bad issues with CPU governing and maybe something else, and
2) The 9650 works on all US carriers (mine is sitting here on VZW with a 4g+ signal and VOLTE fully functional)
3) With the s9+ being a treble device, the specific vendor should not be nearly the same factor in running a rom, as for basically anything designed for the s9 should be compatible on either version (as you will leave the vendor partition alone)
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My guess is the 960U/965U will be rooted eventually, but as the previous commented alludes to, it wont be the same as a device with OEM unlock. Long story short, you can flash system images but not boot or recovery, and as such no one really bothers to make roms for it. For a stretch I had the only G950U/G955U rom on the site.
I agree get rid of it if you can With two options existing this year for unlocked international devices, there is really no reason to go another way if you can afford it. Return the 965U if you can, or sell it online if you cant. My only difference in opinion is I think the 9650 (unlocked snapdragon) is a better buy this year, given that:
1) The Exynos has really bad issues with CPU governing and maybe something else, and
2) The 9650 works on all US carriers (mine is sitting here on VZW with a 4g+ signal and VOLTE fully functional)
3) With the s9+ being a treble device, the specific vendor should not be nearly the same factor in running a rom, as for basically anything designed for the s9 should be compatible on either version (as you will leave the vendor partition alone)
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Would love to know exactly which firmware version and regional CSC you're on, in which you can enable VoLTE on verizon.
Hell will freeze over before this ever happens.
Hell will freeze over before this ever happens.
Sell the crapdragon and buy an exynos, problem solved...well other than waiting 168hrs of up time for OEM unlock to appear.
sent from my Exynos S9 plus, Pixel 2 XL or Note FE
force70 said:
Bro im not sure how up to date you are on the US snap S9 or how much experience or past history you have with sammy but there is no option for root on that device now.
You either can wait to see if it happens which it may, but historically its broken and makes the device run terrible (s7) or limits charging (s8).
Or ditch the locked down POS and go with an exynos or a HK snap version. Which is IMO the best option which is why i went exynos.
Sorry to be blunt but those are your current options.
sent from my Exynos S9 plus, Pixel 2 XL or Note FE
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I can see that you are from Toronto as well; FYI, I have the SM-G965W model on Rogers' network. I been rooting all my phones previously, except the LG V20 and sold that for that very reason and got this S9+. My last galaxy phone was S2, and so I didn't seem aware of the OEM lock issues on the higher galaxy models. Seriously, selling the phone is a real pain, and losing its value; that's why I'm trying to find another solution. The only reason I'm still hoping to root G965W is that I have seen people successfully converted their G965W model into other rooted versions. Please help
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My guess is the 960U/965U will be rooted eventually, but as the previous commented alludes to, it wont be the same as a device with OEM unlock. Long story short, you can flash system images but not boot or recovery, and as such no one really bothers to make roms for it. For a stretch I had the only G950U/G955U rom on the site.
I agree get rid of it if you can With two options existing this year for unlocked international devices, there is really no reason to go another way if you can afford it. Return the 965U if you can, or sell it online if you cant. My only difference in opinion is I think the 9650 (unlocked snapdragon) is a better buy this year, given that:
1) The Exynos has really bad issues with CPU governing and maybe something else, and
2) The 9650 works on all US carriers (mine is sitting here on VZW with a 4g+ signal and VOLTE fully functional)
3) With the s9+ being a treble device, the specific vendor should not be nearly the same factor in running a rom, as for basically anything designed for the s9 should be compatible on either version (as you will leave the vendor partition alone)
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Thanks again. If I were to sell my G965W and buy another phone, then the 9650 (unlocked snapdragon) would be your first choice? Will that work on Canadian network such as Rogers'?
So, I've got a couple of Note 3s set up for my kids to use. I need to keep Knox to get the advantages it gives to Boomerang parental controls. I need root for running Xposed modules. Since 3g is going away, I'm scrambling to find newer devices.
I've been looking at the S8 and S9 and their variations. I found some S9+s in good condition for a reasonable price. They are the G965U1 running Android 10 on bootloader v9. My understanding is that they should work with T-Mobile or AT&T for voLTE and also for wifi calling on T-Mobile.
I've been reading a lot, but can't find definite answers to some questions.
Do these factory unlocked phones support voLTE and wifi calling or do they have to be branded by the correct carrier?
Can they be rooted on v9 bootloader without tripping Knox (Extreme Syndicate)?
Does anyone want to test Boomerang parental controls' Knox features on a device with Knox already tripped for me? If The Knox features still work, this would be the very best solution, but the app developer said they can't answer as to whether it will or not. The developer said to just try it. I'm not ready to lay out hundreds for a test that might leave me with a device I have to replace again.
It looks like originally you needed to downgrade to Android 8, but then some also update to Android 9. I prefer to have Android 9 or 10, but have read some saying that the system can't be downgraded from 10, which would leave unlocking the bootloader (and tripping Knox) as the only option for root. So what's the real deal?
I've also looked into the s5 and a few others, but like the idea of something with a newer Android for all comparability. Willing to look at anything that will work, though.
I appreciate any help.
If you trip the Knox e-fuse, Knox is gone forever unless you replace the mobo.
Both 9 and 10 are reasonably secure, 8 and below less so.
The Note 10+ 12gb ram, 4G Snapdragon variant is a gorgeous workhorse of a phone. The display is still one of the very best for color rendering and viewing. New ones can be had for $800 still, used for much less. New ones are loaded with 10, but used ones are likely updated to 11 unless you can confirm otherwise. Exercise caution as there's a lot of misinformation and outright scamming going on with used phones.
As for voLTE support it depends on the carrier and the model. My new unlock N10+ works on AT&T but some models especially older ones may not. Check with your carrier to see what models they support.
Whatever Samsung you choose I would recommend that you keep it stock. You can use a package disabler to easily tone down a stock Samsung... rooting isn't necessary.
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If you trip the Knox e-fuse, Knox is gone forever unless you replace the mobo.
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I understand that tripping the counter cannot be undone. Are you saying that third-party software that uses Knox cannot run after it is tripped, even if the Knox software remains? There seems to be evidence to the contrary.
Both 9 and 10 are reasonably secure, 8 and below less so.
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This is part of why I prefer to use 9 or 10, but other concerns are more important.
As for voLTE support it depends on the carrier and the model. My new unlock N10+ works on AT&T but some models especially older ones may not. Check with your carrier to see what models they support.
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Both carriers list these generic models (S8,S9,etc.) but don't specifically list branded or factory unlocked model numbers. Some people have had problems in the past trying to use an AT&T branded phone, carrier unlocked, on T-Mobile, specifically wifi calling not allowed. My bigger concern is now that 3g is being phased out; will voLTE work on each carrier with a factory-unlocked phone? Is there a way to use wifi calling on a factory-unlocked phone?
Whatever Samsung you choose I would recommend that you keep it stock. You can use a package disabler to easily tone down a stock Samsung... rooting isn't necessary
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How do you propose that I run X posed modules without rooting?
I just know that members here have issues with bank apps on rooted phones. Haven't paid that much attention to that problem but Knox's status is easily available if the banking app wants check it.
My unlocked Note 10+ was added to the AT&T network by simply swapping out the sim from my other AT&T 10+. Boom, that's all I had to do to set it up. Obviously AT&T will need to punch you out a sim card for the new phones. Talk to Advanced Tech support at AT&T to get a firm answer about voLTE support. If it's just the unlocked model of the variant they sell it will likely work.
The only way you can run some apps is to be rooted. So if you're hell bent on a specific app that requires root... can't have your cake and eat it too.
My kids don't need banking apps. They do need to be able to place and receive phone calls after 3g goes away next month.
So I'm thinking about getting a Pixel 6. I've had ZTE Axon 7 for years lol.
I love that phone but now it's time to get a new one. I'd love another Chinese cell but ZTE and other companies are 'blacklisted'? I was looking at OnePlus but it seems that you can't get their latest cells in US.
Anyhow, I think I want a pixel 6. I see the regular P6 battery seems to last longer than pro. I'm concerned about overheating issues.
Do I have to buy the 'unlocked' P6 from Verizon for it to work? Or, do those latest updates mean I can use the regular unlocked phone with a Verizon 5G sim? (Seems real stupid Verizon has their own version of unlocked phone. )
Isn't the point of an unlocked phone that it works with any carrier?
I don't know a lot of even understand all that info on mmwave, Bands etc. I just want to know, if I get a regular unlocked will 5G or 4GLTE work, will I get dropped calls?
I read that P6P has that mmwave feature but I don't want to get the pro can't justify spending extra on telephoto lense and higher refresh rate I don't really care about.
I am considering the Samsung s21 as well. Just want to have another option if P6 doesn't work out.
If there is a post with this info please share it with me. I can't seem to do a search for Verizon P6 I'm constantly being told 'someone broke the matrix call Neo for help'... something on those lines.
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Seems real stupid Verizon has their own version of unlocked phone.
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Verizon's P6 uses mmwave while the unlocked P6 uses sub-6 5G. Thus why the phones are different. That and the fact the Verizon unit's bootloader cannot be unlocked.
You would be better served using a carrier other than Verizon if you need 5G now but want an unlocked device. LTE however is quite functional regardless of device and will remain so for some time to come.
i would not the Verizon model just because they lock the bootloader and i will not support that business model.
also LTE is plenty fast for anything i do mobile and will be for years to come.
i expect the pixel community will have security updates in 10 years, so that is what i plan for mostly. andi need a unlocked bootloader for that.
( that right google it would cost you nothing to keep 10 year old devices updated, but no one will but hobbyists )
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Verizon's P6 uses mmwave while the unlocked P6 uses sub-6 5G. Thus why the phones are different. That and the fact the Verizon unit's bootloader cannot be unlocked.
You would be better served using a carrier other than Verizon if you need 5G now but want an unlocked device. LTE however is quite functional regardless of device and will remain so for some time to come.
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Thanks I'm happy to just stick my SIM in and use a pixel phone I don't need 5G
LTE is fine for me now.
nutzfreelance said:
i would not the Verizon model just because they lock the bootloader and i will not support that business model.
also LTE is plenty fast for anything i do mobile and will be for years to come.
i expect the pixel community will have security updates in 10 years, so that is what i plan for mostly. andi need a unlocked bootloader for that.
( that right google it would cost you nothing to keep 10 year old devices updated, but no one will but hobbyists )
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I need unlocked so I can use phone in USA and UK when travelling.
Skingy1 said:
I need unlocked so I can use phone in USA and UK when travelling
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double check, im sure the sim is unlocked but not the bootloader on the p6 verizon model. i could be wrong its been a while since i was looking at the best model to get.