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I mentioned it briefly in another post and searched the forum - but found nothing.
I am talking about the Sweep Panorama mode of the Xperia-S camera. Not the '3D' versions, the 'normal' (2D) sweep panorama - the last icon in the first ('Shooting mode') menu. I tend to experience problems with it and am not sure if everyone has observed the same.
In Sweep Panorama mode, whatever direction of sweeping I choose, I tend to get error messages that either:
- I am sweeping too fast, or
- I am sweeping too slow, or
- just 'Picture could not be taken' with no explanation why.
I need to mention that I have plenty of sweeping experience on my previous Xperia X10 and on a Sony Nex camera - so I am sweeping really smoothly and at medium speed. Are the phone position sensors and accelerometers too sensitive? (And the camera software inadequately set to interpret them?).
This is happening in roughly 3 out of 4 attempts (or even 4 out of 5) making the function hardly usable and very annoying.
Ironically, while the X10 had no such function, I was using a 'beta' version (called Panorama Beta) as a standalone app, offered by Sony Ericsson on the Android Market (now Play Shop). Despite being a beta, that app worked flawlessly and never gave me such problems. I have many excellent panoramas from that, and some have even won photographic awards. I particularly like the 'vertorama' mode, i.e. vertical sweeping. With the camera in 'landscape' mode, this captures a square-ish rectangle - with a wider field of view and more scene detail, at highest possible resolution. To capture a square (or 4:3 'portrait') vertorama, you need to stop sweeping early - and the Beta app had a 'Stop' button.
The new version integrated within the Xperia camera has no 'Stop' and expects you to make very long sweeps. I tried to stop by pressing the on-screen or physical shutter button, but that produces the above errors - or a very long and narrow rectangle, half of it greyed and the other half a blurry, low resolution panorama.
Disappointed with the function, I wanted to use the standalone Panorama Beta app, but it doesn't appear in the Market. Is it withdrawn by Sony? (As no longer beta and included with newer firmware)? Or is it only not appearing for the Xperia-S - presuming you already have it?
I tried taking a backed-up .APK from the X10 and 'restoring' (installing) it on the X-S, but it does not install. The install process starts normally, but when the blue 'thermometer' finishes, the message is: 'The app did not install' - with no further explanation. I imagine it discovers the newer version already installed and avoids a conflict with it?
All other 'panorama' apps on the market are much worse, from primitive to utter rubbish. They are either not 'sweep' and ask you to take multiple separate shots, asking you to manually align them to on-screen guide marks, before running a 'stitch' operation (resulting in very poor blends with obvious fault lines). Or they shoot relatively smoothly, but the end image is very lo-res, small in size and out of focus. Among all of them the Photaf app was closest to 'working' but it's only horizontal and stitches are a hit-and-miss (most of the time a miss - too obvious).
Can others, please, share experiences with the Sweep Panorama mode in the Xperia-S camera? Does it work for you or have you got similar problems? Has anyone found solutions?
Any suggestions how to make the Beta standalone app install and work? (The new one isn't standalone, so I am not sure I'll be able to uninstall it, even when I root the phone).
Thanks for any info!
The new Sweep Panorama sucks big time indeed. There's a modified APK of the beta floating around, I've been using it on my Arc S/Neo for ages, works just fine!
Don't have my S yet, so can't try it, but you can give it a go:
http://www.box.com/s/182e205dc19cbba235f7
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The new Sweep Panorama sucks big time indeed. There's a modified APK of the beta floating around, I've been using it on my Arc S/Neo for ages, works just fine!
Don't have my S yet, so can't try it, but you can give it a go:
http://www.box.com/s/182e205dc19cbba235f7
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Thanks a lot - this is the same Panorama 'Beta' I loved on my X10, works well on the X-S. I'll now use it as main pano tool and hope Sony will fix their in-camera version with one of the firmware updates.
Not sure if they read (or at least scour with spider-bots) this and similar sites for insight what needs fixing - if I knew a contact point I'd write to them but won't spend time researching their feedback channels...
The S camera rocks otherwise, wish you to get yours soon!
I'll let them know whenever I get the chance
I recnetly tried to view some images on a Windows computer, that were shot with some shooting modes the camera application of some Samsung Galaxy smartphones. But everything that I can see with the picture viewer is the first frame. The picture files are much larger than a normal photo, because the other data is inside of it.
Shot&More — Captures eight frames in row and saves them into one .jpg file. The gallery application is able to extract some effects from it, which can be exported into an additional picture: Drama Shot, Eraser, Best Photo, Best Face, Panorama Sport Scene. Unfortionately, not all extraction modes are compatible with all scenes.
SoundShot — Captures a photo and records the sound from the microphones and puts the audio track into the JPG file. The sound can be recorded before or after the picture was taken (but the EXIF Information does not include this information as far as I know). The maximum length of the audio track is ten seconds.
Selective Focus (introduced in S5): Shots two pictures with different focus settings, so that selecting a preferred focus setting after capturing the shot is possible:
Near focus: Obstacles near to the camera are visible sharply, while the background is unsharp.
Far focus: The background is sharp, while objects near to the camera are blurred
Pan focus: The complete photo is sharp, because the pan focus photo consists of the sharp parts from each frame
Blurred focus: The opposite of pan focus; everything is blurred.
Golf Shot mode (Note 3 only) — I am not sure, how it works, because I have not tried and investigated it yet.
VirtualShot (introduced in the S6) — Captures a 360-Degree View around an object, so that you can view it from every angle. You have to go around an obstacle with your camera.
Virtual Tour — Captures a Virtual Tour through the sphere, where you align your camera and go through the room. It also captures the path, where the tour goes — The viewer can navigate through the shot surrounding and see the path as a line. (This shooting mode does not exist on the S6 and newer. It was replaced by VirtualShot.)
Even IrfanView is unable to display all frames or play/extract the audio track of those picture files.
Is there any Windows software, that is able to extract the frames or produce the effects from a Shot&More picture or to extract the sound from SoundShot (lossless if possible), or etc. ?
It would be good, if it is OpenSource, but it does not have to be open-source, as long as it wours
Any advice is appreciated. Thanks.
Hi,
I've recently been playing around with various cameras under LOS on the Axon 7.
I've been experimenting with Snap (built in LOS camera), Open Camera, A Better Camera and Footej Camera.
Simply installing the apps and using the default options yields the following order (best to worst):
A Better Camera
Open Camera & Footej Camera (tied 2nd place)
Snap camera
However, by tweaking some of the options in Snap camera, I've been able to get consistently better images than any of the other apps using their defaults.
To improve the quality of Snap make the following tweaks:
- Set Picture Quality to High
- Set ISO to Auto HJR
- Set Contrast to Level 6
- Set Sharpness to Level 3
- Set Auto Exposure to Centre Weighted
I've done side by side comparisons of the four apps and I've found that Snap leads the pack with the tweaked settings. As an aside, I used the app PhotoGrid to create the zoomed side by side images.
I'd be interested to hear back from others re: their experiences using the tweaks to improve image quality.
One final note, I also tried using the Axon 7 stock B04 camera on LOS, but it was consistently worse than any of he other four options so I removed it. There is a magisk module for B04 if you want to try this for yourself.
Regards,
jamesK
Here are some comparison images. For each image the apps are represented in the following order:
Footej Camera - A Better Camera
Open Camera - Snap Camera (with tweaks)
I have tried your settings and the results with snap camera were a bit better.
Because I ve used high resolution mode the differences where less significant.
I tried a comparison with axon 7 camera mod for LOS and it's quality is still the best in my opinion.
1. Snap @ high res settings
2. Snap @ your settings
3. Axon 7 camera mod (Tapatalk app bug uploads media to his own server.)
http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/59ae3ff140141/IMG_20170905_091049.jpg?
Hi,
Thank you for taking the time to test.
Your first image was noticeably better than the other two (you could see the marks on the thermometer).
Are you using B05, B04 or some other version of the LOS camera mod?
I tried the B04 magisk version of the mod but didn't find that it produced good results. Perhaps I should try B05.
Regards,
JamesK
I am using b04 Magisk by kingo.
Ive used the screenshot function on my device. Cropping images resulted in lower image quality.
I took a look on the numbers of the thermometer and on my devices screen I had the best images with zte cam.
One small note. The object is appx 3 meters away from me and the pictures were taken after tap focusing the object.
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I am using b04 Magisk by kingo.
Ive used the screenshot function on my device. Cropping images resulted in lower image quality.
I took a look on the numbers of the thermometer and on my devices screen I had the best images with zte cam.
One small note. The object is appx 3 meters away from me and the pictures were taken after tap focusing the object.
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Thank you for the details. The only difference with the images I attached is that I zoomed to 100‰ on the original images.
As mentioned, when I tried this with B04, the image quality was not as good as the other camera apps.
I'll reinstall it and try again. Perhaps. I overlooked something.
Thanks again for your feedback
As the title suggests, I'm curious as to a way to increase the DPI for the camera app to increase the quality of photos taken (when zooming in on a crop of a photo). I remember from my Note 3 that there used to be a way to change the quality of the photo (best, better, etc.) which was a way of changing the DPI for the photo taken.
Even if there's a way to do it with root (say by modifying the build.prop file), any advice would be great!
As an alternative, is there a camera app that allows for you to change the DPI and fully utlize the camera hardware? I used to use Camera Zoom FX (Premium) but it didn't play nicely with some of the phones (namely Motorola) that I have used that app on.
Thanks for the tips, help, guideance, etc.!
Not sure what you mean, you can set up to 20mp in the settings. Thats even more than the rgb sensor is capable of. I guess this upscales the rgb sensors color info to the 20mp picture the monochrome sensor is taking. I cant think of anything that Would utilize the hardware more
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As the title suggests, I'm curious as to a way to increase the DPI for the camera app to increase the quality of photos taken (when zooming in on a crop of a photo). I remember from my Note 3 that there used to be a way to change the quality of the photo (best, better, etc.) which was a way of changing the DPI for the photo taken.
Even if there's a way to do it with root (say by modifying the build.prop file), any advice would be great!
As an alternative, is there a camera app that allows for you to change the DPI and fully utlize the camera hardware? I used to use Camera Zoom FX (Premium) but it didn't play nicely with some of the phones (namely Motorola) that I have used that app on.
Thanks for the tips, help, guideance, etc.!
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highest quality you can do is raw in pro mode. you can later decide in what quality you compress it to jpeg
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Not sure what you mean, you can set up to 20mp in the settings. Thats even more than the rgb sensor is capable of. I guess this upscales the rgb sensors color info to the 20mp picture the monochrome sensor is taking. I cant think of anything that Would utilize the hardware more
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I saw the 20MP option but that's not what I'm referring to Some camera apps or phone makers allow for you to change the quality of the picture taken in the form of changing the DPI. The higher the number, the higher the quality of the picture when looking at a 100% crop of a photo (but also the file size tends to be larger too). I know it's not common, but it is there for some camera/OEMs.
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I saw the 20MP option but that's not what I'm referring to Some camera apps or phone makers allow for you to change the quality of the picture taken in the form of changing the DPI. The higher the number, the higher the quality of the picture when looking at a 100% crop of a photo (but also the file size tends to be larger too). I know it's not common, but it is there for some camera/OEMs.
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I dont quite understand what that means though from a technical viewpoint. I am not an expert but i roughly know how cameras work and what parts they are made of (keywords: sensor/pixel size, sensor resolution, bayer matrix, etc.). I never came across something called DPI. I also do not know what should be happening when increasing this DPI.
Maybe you can enlighten me. Although this does not seem to be a feature for the Mate 10 i am very much interested in learning about cameras, especially in mobile devices.
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I dont quite understand what that means though from a technical viewpoint. I am not an expert but i roughly know how cameras work and what parts they are made of (keywords: sensor/pixel size, sensor resolution, bayer matrix, etc.). I never came across something called DPI. I also do not know what should be happening when increasing this DPI.
Maybe you can enlighten me. Although this does not seem to be a feature for the Mate 10 i am very much interested in learning about cameras, especially in mobile devices.
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I had to research this a bit myself so that I could properly convey what I was originally asking for
This article from Snap Shop eCommerce helped quite a bit:
A Simple Introduction to DPI
(apparently, it's only useful if I intend on printing any of the photos taken from the camera itself)
I had a note 2 and a note 4 until just recently. I know the setting your talking about. Its got nothing to do with DPI - its more a compression setting/sharpening setting affects how big the filesize is from your camera as it affects how much each photo is compressed (was listed as "quality" modes? from memory)
Yep that's my understanding too - it's basically like 'fine' or 'superfine' settings on point n shoot cameras - dictates how much the JPG file is compressed. FWIW my Note 4 on Marshmallow seems to have dropped the setting, along with most other phones in the last few years. You just get the default compression for photos and bitrate for videos. As @madman_cro noted, you can make sure you're getting 100% of what the sensor is capable of by shooting RAW and doing the JPG processing yourself. Gotta love it when they remove settings so as not to confuse the average user....
I got a note 4 infront of me and went looking for the setting as well and couldnt find it either your right it must of got lost in a update hahahhaha (my boy has my note2 somewhere) but yeah its exactly what your saying with the fine/superfine etc more a compression setting than anything else
iv had lot's of phones(with custom and stock rom) and while I've never seen dpi settings it may have benefit for printing. as from what iv read now that you got me interested 72 is apparently enough for our screens and our phone delivers 92 so we are ok. il try to convert raw to higher dpi later and try it in phone while zoomed in but i doubt il see the difference cause its basicly the same image
Usual DPI is 72 at jpg photo at real cameras, if you shot in RAW usual DPI is 300, i think at mirrorless is even less.
better/higher DPI is because of post processing , higher dpi more details. Just simple, if you want better phots shot in RAW .
RAW or not makes no difference - the dpi stays the same,.
The DPI of a printed photo can be affected by the resolution the photo was taken at and the size of the printout (think about it...dots per inch.....or pixels per inch on photos really...DPI is more a printer thing. RAW has nothing to do with the amount of pixels/resolution - and therefore doesnt affect DPI whatsoever as its still exactly the same amount of pixels+ resolution involved whether its in RAW format or not...... All RAW means is that the photo was outputted without any editing by the camera first - its a unmolested original image with no processing which allows for a human to do all the editing later and perhaps a better job of it)
Take a 1 megapixel photo and print that photo on A4 paper, now take a 20megapixel photo and print it on a4 paper. The higher resolution image is going to have a higher DPI on the printout than the lower resolution image does, and would be noticeable as chances are the 1megapixel had such a low dpi at the printout size the image was stretched to fit. Take a 20megapixel RAW image, and a 20megapixel normal image - DPI is exactly with both as it has nothing to do with RAW.
What it all comes down to....Stay on the highest setting you can for resolution, and you have the best chance of getting a good printout later on and being compatible with bigger printouts while still keeping clarity (higher resolution photos can be printed larger without loss of quality)
I wouldnt try and make a poster from a 2 megapixel photo for instance - as it just doesnt have enough resolution to keep a good DPI **when the image is printed** The earlier question by the OP has been answered - it wasnt a DPI setting on her note at all its a compression setting (eg fine/superfine) nothing to do with DPI and has no effect on it either.
Thats kinda it in a nutshell and dumbed down a bit to explain it easier (Im gunna get nit picked to death on technicalities of terms perhaps but im trying to keep it simple)
Hi!
I am planing on buying this phone (currently have a S5 that's beginning to show it's age) and would really like to know if poco has a working (and tested) RAW photo support. This is something I actually miss the most with my S5 camera. Can someone with a GCam please check and ideally upload a low light high ISO DNG sample photo?
If anyone is wondering what's the use of RAW, with all the hassle (beware, technical details ahead, possibly even a bit of math!):
Access to the RAW sensor data is extremely powerful. When doing a night time photography you can get significantly better results by manually lowering the ISO and bumping the exposure but in truly low light that's not enough. You then take dozens of 30s exposures and add them together. The problem is that if you are working with JPEGs, it doesn't really work for extremely low signals. If there is a light source in your image that even after 30s exposure does not expose a pixel enough to bump the value from 0 to 1, with the added noise reduction it gets rounded to 0 every time, so adding zeroes gets you nowhere. On the other hand, if there is a significant noise in your sensor, that's actually in this case extremely helpful. By adding the photos that have a very low signal (below a normal detection threshold) but also a significant noise, you can remove the noise and still get the signal that has 'piggybacked' on the noise above the pixel threshold. Doing this, if you have the patience, basically makes your photos limited only by the 12MP sensor resolution and the lens quality. The quality of the sensor, it's dynamic range and noise level becomes completely irrelevant and you can basically simulate an 'ideal' sensor with arbitrarily large dynamic range and sensitivity and arbitrarily low noise. You should, for example, be able to do astrophotography and photograph objects that are too dim to be visible with a naked eye, beyond what even dSLRs can manage without these kinds of tricks.
With the very fast CPU and plentiful RAM you could even possibly automate this tedious process on the phone itself (for example by the use of CLI linux raw photo manipulation tools installed through termux or linuxdeploy) so it could be as simple as putting a phone on a tripod (or a sky tracking mount), starting a simple script and waiting for half an hour while the phone takes and processes the photos.
With access to the still linear RAW pixel data, you can even use the camera as a 'scientific' sensor in, for example, a cheap portable spectroscope. The possibilities are endless
Yes, I am well aware that I am weird
yup you can. also you can install 3rd party app and camera2 api is enabled by default no need to root and bootloader unlock for that.
Secondly camera is super awesome.
i can you lead to telegram group where people share their photoshots done on poco f1. you will get the idea
The gcam is one option for you to capture raw images but it does not support manual mode so you cannot get those long exposure raw images to talked about. What you can do is get a camera app that supports both raw images capturing and manual mode like proshot or manual camera
Very cool, thank you both! It would be great if someone could upload an actual DNG file taken with the poco and an app that also supports manual exposure. I am curious if the cli programs will recognise the format.
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Very cool, thank you both! It would be great if someone could upload an actual DNG file taken with the poco and an app that also supports manual exposure. I am curious if the cli programs will recognise the format.
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well manual mode is supported by default camera, but it doesn't have any option for RAW output.
my best pick will be open camera application.
what you recommend for both raw and manual mode
I've shot some raw photos using latest GCAM. However I don't know any apps for RAW files editing in phone. And I Didn't get time to check their quality on Photoshop. RAW files size is around 15Mb. I can send you those photos if you want to check.
That would be great if the DNG format is the same as the one the other apps (that have also manual support) produce. Can you send it to my gmail (same username)? Thanks.
dsvilko said:
That would be great if the DNG format is the same as the one the other apps (that have also manual support) produce. Can you send it to my gmail (same username)? Thanks.
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I love astronomy and I am very interested in an app that would let us get raw format images and also have the manual mode. Did anyone know any app that can let us do that?
Thanks in advance
Manual camera app supports both RAW and manual controls. I haven't yet found an app that also supports intervalometer.
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Manual camera app supports both RAW and manual controls. I haven't yet found an app that also supports intervalometer.
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flavionet.android.camera.pro
Gcam with manual controls does exist you know. Just get gcam with mods or from sannnity. These have manual control which can control ISO from 100 to 6400, shutter time from 1s to 32s (nothing shorter than 1s) and manual focus control. They can save it in raw.
FreeDCam also supports both manual controls and RAW.
To edit RAW images on the phone, use google snapseed app.
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Gcam with manual controls does exist you know. Just get gcam with mods or from sannnity. These have manual control which can control ISO from 100 to 6400, shutter time from 1s to 32s (nothing shorter than 1s) and manual focus control. They can save it in raw.
FreeDCam also supports both manual controls and RAW.
To edit RAW images on the phone, use google snapseed app.
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Can you please tell me how to add Sannity mods in gcam?
just create a folder named gcam in this another named configs
in the configs folder place all the gcam configs xml files
to apply these double tap the black space near the shutter white button to load the configs
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Can you please tell me how to add Sannity mods in gcam?
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Go in the mods section of Poco f1 on xda and you'll find a thread started by sannity. Download his gcam.