Hello everyone what is the actual battery size in your brand new phone?
One way to check is to see the value of the charge counter in aida64 when the phone is at 100%.
My unit has 4785 mAh. Which is 95.7% of the advertised 5000 mAh value.
At which point does it become false advertising?
Should Samsung say this is really a 4800 mAh cell (if it is one, or my unit has a smaller capacity)?
Go to Settings>About Phone>Battery Information. You will find that Samsung rates it at 4855 mAh.
JoraForever said:
At which point does it become false advertising?
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What makes you trust 3rd party apps so much, and so easily?
High storage temperatures and voltages can degrade Li's. I wouldn't worry about it, but replace it when it drops below about 4000 mAh capacity.
TheMystic said:
What makes you trust 3rd party apps so much, and so easily?
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The number aida64 gives is not created by it.
That number is created by the android system.
You can use other apps to view the same system variable.
I believe it is accurate because the system can measure battery drain very accurately.
Battery capacity is the integral of the battery drain measurements, which the system does automatically.
JoraForever said:
The number aida64 gives is not created by it.
That number is created by the android system.
You can use other apps to view the same system variable.
I believe it is accurate because the system can measure battery drain very accurately.
Battery capacity is the integral of the battery drain measurements, which the system does automatically.
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This assumes the sensors and algorithms used are accurate... they may not be.
blackhawk said:
This assumes the sensors and algorithms used are accurate... they may not be.
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Why wouldn't those be? Measuring current/voltage is one of the things electronics do best.
Innacurate algorithms? What is this 2007?
blackhawk said:
High storage temperatures and voltages can degrade Li's. I wouldn't worry about it, but replace it when it drops below about 4000 mAh capacity.
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This is just a question of the difference between 'Typical capacity' and 'Rated capacity'. This being a brand new device, with battery health expected at 100%, it is too early for the battery to see any sort of degradation just yet.
JoraForever said:
The number aida64 gives is not created by it.
That number is created by the android system.
You can use other apps to view the same system variable.
I believe it is accurate because the system can measure battery drain very accurately.
Battery capacity is the integral of the battery drain measurements, which the system does automatically.
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3rd party apps often do not have access to all data to give you 100% accurate information. They often use some calculations using available information.
As an example, you can try other 3rd party apps and I won't be surprised if they all report slightly different numbers. I always see this happen to storage analyser apps. Each one reports a different value for a particular type/ category of files.
The point is this:
Every unit in the manufacturing process is slightly different from each other, and no two units are absolutely identical.
Rated capacity is the minimum expected capacity of the battery, which Samsung itself says is about 4,855 mAh.
Typical capacity is the average seen among all units in the manufacturing process, and that is about 5,000 mAh.
Depending on the number of charge cycles, the ambient temperature, the battery temperature, etc. this value will keep changing every time you actually measure it, although the differences would be marginal.
A Fun Fact
I stopped using 3rd party apps that reported stats to me after a highly popular app reported high temperature when the phone was cold to touch, and reported low temperature when the phone was actually warm to touch. I trusted my instincts based on how it felt to the touch than what an app reported. Needless to say, I uninstalled it.
My experience with my phone improved significantly once I stopped bothering with too many stats.
JoraForever said:
Why wouldn't those be? Measuring current/voltage is one of the things electronics do best.
Innacurate algorithms? What is this 2007?
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It could be a defective component. Samsung is always in a big bad hurry and makes mistakes as does Gookill Android. Return it if it bothers you. Otherwise what I said to begin with.
TheMystic said:
This is just a question of the difference between 'Typical capacity' and 'Rated capacity'. This being a brand new device, with battery health expected at 100%, it is too early for the battery to see any sort of degradation just yet.
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Li's start to degrade the moment they're assembled, born to die. How they are stored makes a big difference in how much they degrade; one over temperature event at high cell voltage can noticeably degrade them.
Regardless time itself kills them.
blackhawk said:
It could be a defective component. Samsung is always in a big bad hurry and makes mistakes as does Gookill Android. Return it if it bothers you. Otherwise what I said to begin with.
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This is exactly why i'm asking this question, I wonder what is the real battery capacity of other users.
blackhawk said:
Li's start to degrade the moment they're assembled, born to die. How they are stored makes a big difference in how much they degrade; one over temperature event at high cell voltage can noticeably degrade them.
Regardless time itself kills them.
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That's true. But the S23 series wouldn't have lost about 4% battery health so soon (this isn't a display unit). OP is placing over reliance on the values reported by a 3rd party app, which itself is questionable to begin with. He just assumes it to be true, which it need not be.
TheMystic said:
This is just a question of the difference between 'Typical capacity' and 'Rated capacity'. This being a brand new device, with battery health expected at 100%, it is too early for the battery to see any sort of degradation just yet.
3rd party apps often do not have access to all data to give you 100% accurate information. They often use some calculations using available information.
As an example, you can try other 3rd party apps and I won't be surprised if they all report slightly different numbers. I always see this happen to storage analyser apps. Each one reports a different value for a particular type/ category of files.
The point is this:
Every unit in the manufacturing process is slightly different from each other, and no two units are absolutely identical.
Rated capacity is the minimum expected capacity of the battery, which Samsung itself says is about 4,855 mAh.
Typical capacity is the average seen among all units in the manufacturing process, and that is about 5,000 mAh.
Depending on the number of charge cycles, the ambient temperature, the battery temperature, etc. this value will keep changing every time you actually measure it, although the differences would be marginal.
A Fun Fact
I stopped using 3rd party apps that reported stats to me after a highly popular app reported high temperature when the phone was cold to touch, and reported low temperature when the phone was actually warm to touch. I trusted my instincts based on how it felt to the touch than what an app reported. Needless to say, I uninstalled it.
My experience with my phone improved significantly once I stopped bothering with too many stats.
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Measuring Device Power | Android Open Source Project
source.android.com
This is literally the data the os provides with an API.
I'm not worried about my phone, i'm just asking what are the capacities that other users really see.
If what samsung says it's true, then there should be as many 5200 mAh brand new phones as 4800 mAh phones, i'm just wondering if there are actually people with more or close to 5000 mAh.
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That's true. But the S23 series wouldn't have lost about 4% battery health so soon (this isn't a display unit). OP is placing over reliance on the values reported by a 3rd party app, which itself is questionable to begin with. He just assumes it to be true, which it need not be.
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I wouldn't worry about it. Otherwise it opens a big can of worms.
Returning it is the only other sane option. At this price point I wouldn't hesitate to do so. I'm not pleased with this model to begin with. Lol, I'd go for a cash refund...
JoraForever said:
I'm not worried about my phone, i'm just asking what are the capacities that other users really see.
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JoraForever said:
At which point does it become false advertising?
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The numbers reported for each device would be slightly different. This isn't false advertising.
blackhawk said:
Returning it is the only other sane option.
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There is absolutely no need for it.
blackhawk said:
I'm not pleased with this model to begin with. Lol, I'd go for a cash refund...
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You have other reasons...and I don't agree with those...
JoraForever said:
This is exactly why i'm asking this question, I wonder what is the real battery capacity of other users.
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Mine is between 5000-5100. I use accubattery. Do not unplug for around 30 min after your phone reaches %100, because it keeps charging even if it hits %100.
Kfatih said:
Mine is between 5000-5100. I use accubattery. Do not unplug for around 30 min after your phone reaches %100, because it keeps charging even if it hits %100.
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What's your top voltage?
blackhawk said:
What's your top voltage?
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4.45
Been using for2 months
JoraForever said:
Measuring Device Power | Android Open Source Project
source.android.com
This is literally the data the os provides with an API.
I'm not worried about my phone, i'm just asking what are the capacities that other users really see.
If what samsung says it's true, then there should be as many 5200 mAh brand new phones as 4800 mAh phones, i'm just wondering if there are actually people with more or close to 5000 mAh.
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Testing now. I'll report back in about an hour once the phone is fully charged. Battery Guru is reporting 5015mAh as an estimate based on my charging history but I don't usually let it trickle to full after it shows 100% so that's likely on the lower side.
It's amusing to me that people believe that AIDA64 would be reporting incorrect info when it's one of the most respected desktop applications for system info. I opened up the battery screen and plugged it in and everything it's reporting there is the same as the phone itself reports, right down to the remaining time before it's fully charged and the battery temperature matches Battery Guru too.
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I've come across some people that say the GS2 battery should not be drained completely since for this type of battery it's not good.
lckh said:
I've come across some people that say the GS2 battery should not be drained completely since for this type of battery it's not good.
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http://www.google.com/search?q=Is+it+bad+to+completely+drain+a+lithium+ion+battery?
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http://www.google.com/search?q=Is+it+bad+to+completely+drain+a+lithium+ion+battery?
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Pants - is the only way to describe that post, false info.
It does no harm at all to fully discharge, more problems are caused by giving regular, short charges, than 1 long full charge so i wouldnt believe that.
He also says to charge it 8-10 hours, that total rubbish as well, these batteries dont need 8-10 hours to prime, on average 3-4 hours for a full charge is more than adequate.
I think few year back batteries were far inferior and did indeed need longer charging periods, but not any more, and if ya flash roms a lot and need to calibrate your battery after flashing to a new custom rom indeed part of the calibration process is completely running down the battery, my s2 is well over a year old and has been drained flat many a time and i still get 14 - 20 hours out of it on average, which is damn good for any smart phone these days, That post is on a HTC Thread by the way, Htc notoriously have batteries with a crappy life span, i had a wildfire s, used to get about 6 hours out of the battery.
I don't think that's true.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
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ctomgee said:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Is+it+bad+to+completely+drain+a+lithium+ion+battery?
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Pants - is the only way to describe that post, false info.
It does no harm at all to fully discharge, more problems are caused by giving regular, short charges, than 1 long full charge so i wouldnt believe that.
He also says to charge it 8-10 hours, that total rubbish as well, these batteries dont need 8-10 hours to prime, on average 3-4 hours for a full charge is more than adequate.
I think few year back batteries were far inferior and did indeed need longer charging periods, but not any more, and if ya flash roms a lot and need to calibrate your battery after flashing to a new custom rom indeed part of the calibration process is completely running down the battery, my s2 is well over a year old and has been drained flat many a time and i still get 14 - 20 hours out of it on average, which is damn good for any smart phone these days, That post is on a HTC Thread by the way, Htc notoriously have batteries with a crappy life span, i had a wildfire s, used to get about 6 hours out of the battery.
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My post is full of false info? The one linking to direct Google search of the OP's question? Interesting.
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My post is full of false info? The one linking to direct Google search of the OP's question? Interesting.
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Hmmmmmm, no, you didnt start the thread, i was replying to the starter of the discussion, not yours.
More importantly, where is your link meant to point, coz from what i can see it only points to a google search and not to any specific document, unlike donalgodon who posted a very interesting and intriguing link indeed with so much info
graemeg said:
Hmmmmmm, no, you didnt start the thread, i was replying to the starter of the discussion, not yours.
More importantly, where is your link meant to point, coz from what i can see it only points to a google search and not to any specific document, unlike donalgodon who posted a very interesting and intriguing link indeed with so much info
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Which was actually one of the results of the google search, if you bothered to look.
I was trying to impart the fact to the OP that he could easily find this info himself.
Also, if you were replying to him, then why did you quote my post, saying "Pants - is the only way to describe that post, false info"? Context is important.
ctomgee said:
Which was actually one of the results of the google search, if you bothered to look.
I was trying to impart the fact to the OP that he could easily find this info himself.
Also, if you were replying to him, then why did you quote my post, saying "Pants - is the only way to describe that post, false info"? Context is important.
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aBSOLUTLEY, QUOTING YOURS WAS INDEED AN ERROR ON MY BEHALF, SPOSE DUE TO TIRED EYES SO APOLOGIES IF THAT CONFUSED YOU INTO THINKING I WAS MEANT TO QUOTE YOU, WAS INTENDED FOR THE ORIGINAL THREAD STARTER.
See what i mean, just realised i hit caps lock instead of shift, hmmmm, oh also yes i agree completely, google is completely the place to look so point taken, its suprising what you can ask google and still get an answer, i dont think some people realise that if they have a question in mind, then the likelihood is, someone else already asked it, yet they still dont google it, or maybe its just down to laziness that people dont goole anymore.
graemeg said:
aBSOLUTLEY, QUOTING YOURS WAS INDEED AN ERROR ON MY BEHALF, SPOSE DUE TO TIRED EYES SO APOLOGIES IF THAT CONFUSED YOU INTO THINKING I WAS MEANT TO QUOTE YOU, WAS INTENDED FOR THE ORIGINAL THREAD STARTER.
See what i mean, just realised i hit caps lock instead of shift, hmmmm, oh also yes i agree completely, google is completely the place to look so point taken, its suprising what you can ask google and still get an answer, i dont think some people realise that if they have a question in mind, then the likelihood is, someone else already asked it, yet they still dont google it, or maybe its just down to laziness that people dont goole anymore.
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Mine was a rhetorical question, but it's all good, dude.
Lol, short version: Depending on the battery type you will want to drain it completely before charging or never drain it completely. Let it charge fully overnight or it only needs a few hours.
Seriously, do some reasearch on batteries. Figure out what types there are, how they are different, and what makes them different. each has advantages and disadvantages.
Every battery type is a little different. For our phones will be different than for your rechargable nicad batteries at home, or the batteries in your remote control vehicles.
Bottom line: We COULD tell you, but that would be defeating the purpose. Instead we are pointing you in the right direction to acquire the knowledge yourself. Happy hunting! let us know how it works out!
In simple, it actually causes more harm discharging the battery to empty.
There is alot of do's and donts to preserve the battery,
Info:
The Li‑ion charger is a voltage-limiting device that is similar to the lead acid system. The difference lies in a higher voltage per cell, tighter voltage tolerance and the absence of trickle or float charge at full charge. While lead acid offers some flexibility in terms of voltage cut‑off, manufacturers of Li‑ion cells are very strict on the correct setting because Li-ion cannot accept overcharge. The so-called miracle charger that promises to prolong battery life and methods that pump extra capacity into the cell do not exist here. Li-ion is a “clean” system and only takes what it can absorb. Anything extra causes stress.
Most cells charge to 4.20V/cell with a tolerance of +/–50mV/cell. Higher voltages could increase the capacity, but the resulting cell oxidation would reduce service life. More important is the safety concern if charging beyond 4.20V/cell. Figure
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Li-ion should never be discharged too low, and there are several safeguards to prevent this from happening. The equipment cuts off when the battery discharges to about 3.0V/cell, stopping the current flow. If the discharge continues to about 2.70V/cell or lower, the battery’s protection circuit puts the battery into a sleep mode. This renders the pack unserviceable and a recharge with most chargers is not possible. To prevent a battery from falling asleep, apply a partial charge before a long storage period.
Battery manufacturers ship batteries with a 40 percent charge. The low charge state reduces aging-related stress while allowing some self-discharge during storage. To minimize the current flow for the protection circuit before the battery is sold, advanced Li-ion packs feature a sleep mode that disables the protection circuit until activated by a brief charge or discharge. Once engaged, the battery remains operational and the on state can no longer be switched back to the standby mode.
Do not recharge lithium-ion if a cell has stayed at or below 1.5V for more than a week. Copper shunts may have formed inside the cells that can lead to a partial or total electrical short. If recharged, the cells might become unstable, causing excessive heat or showing other anomalies. Li-ion packs that have been under stress are more sensitive to mechanical abuse, such as vibration, dropping and exposure to heat.
And may i point out, this is a community, People ask questions and peoples feedback, the web is not always correct and nor is the information you find.
It takes more effort to argue with someone and to point someone in the right direction, instead of just answering there question.
We have all been New here once before.
dave7802 said:
In simple, it actually causes more harm discharging the battery to empty.
There is alot of do's and donts to preserve the battery,
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The Li‑ion charger is a voltage-limiting device that is similar to the lead acid system. The difference lies in a higher voltage per cell, tighter voltage tolerance and the absence of trickle or float charge at full charge. While lead acid offers some flexibility in terms of voltage cut‑off, manufacturers of Li‑ion cells are very strict on the correct setting because Li-ion cannot accept overcharge. The so-called miracle charger that promises to prolong battery life and methods that pump extra capacity into the cell do not exist here. Li-ion is a “clean” system and only takes what it can absorb. Anything extra causes stress.
Most cells charge to 4.20V/cell with a tolerance of +/–50mV/cell. Higher voltages could increase the capacity, but the resulting cell oxidation would reduce service life. More important is the safety concern if charging beyond 4.20V/cell. Figure
Discharging:
Li-ion should never be discharged too low, and there are several safeguards to prevent this from happening. The equipment cuts off when the battery discharges to about 3.0V/cell, stopping the current flow. If the discharge continues to about 2.70V/cell or lower, the battery’s protection circuit puts the battery into a sleep mode. This renders the pack unserviceable and a recharge with most chargers is not possible. To prevent a battery from falling asleep, apply a partial charge before a long storage period.
Battery manufacturers ship batteries with a 40 percent charge. The low charge state reduces aging-related stress while allowing some self-discharge during storage. To minimize the current flow for the protection circuit before the battery is sold, advanced Li-ion packs feature a sleep mode that disables the protection circuit until activated by a brief charge or discharge. Once engaged, the battery remains operational and the on state can no longer be switched back to the standby mode.
Do not recharge lithium-ion if a cell has stayed at or below 1.5V for more than a week. Copper shunts may have formed inside the cells that can lead to a partial or total electrical short. If recharged, the cells might become unstable, causing excessive heat or showing other anomalies. Li-ion packs that have been under stress are more sensitive to mechanical abuse, such as vibration, dropping and exposure to heat.
And may i point out, this is a community, People ask questions and peoples feedback, the web is not always correct and nor is the information you find.
It takes more effort to argue with someone and to point someone in the right direction, instead of just answering there question.
We have all been New here once before.
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Indeed, not everything on the web is correct.
But may I point out that all you did was copy and paste text from this page, which donalgodon linked in post 4, and again, I feel I must point out, was actually one of the results in the Google search I linked him to.
The point I was trying to make, and seems lost on you, is teaching people how to look for stuff on their own. No one should just expect to be spoon-fed information. That is lazy to just post a question on a forum, sit back, and watch the answers roll in. You should do your own legwork and research.
As the old adage states: give a man a fish, and you feed him for that day. Teach a man to fish, and he is fed forever.
I ask for an opinion to experts.
I installed the app Battery Life Repair
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.BoshBashStudios.batterydoctorrepair
I can't understand if this app is really effective or if it is a fake. In both cases, if you want to give your opinion can you justify it with technical considerations?
It's strange to see so many high ratings, but it is also strange that there are no tests or in-depth reviews.
Sorry for bringing a thread from the dead but I am also very curious as to how this app works (or if it does at all).
Such apps don't work.. They're usually fake and earn money through ads. Battery life is purely hardware and can't be increased by a software other than changing kernel features...
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MasterAwesome said:
Such apps don't work.. They're usually fake and earn money through ads. Battery life is purely hardware and can't be increased by a software other than changing kernel features...
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what a load of crap.
You can increase the length of your battery time betweeen charges by lessening the load on the cpu(which causes ups in voltage usage).
we reduce cpu load by reducing ram usage too.
also, turning the display brightness down and turning off unneeded features like bluetooth or wifi.
the kernel can be made more efficient like you said. so i agree there.
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what a load of crap.
You can increase the length of your battery time betweeen charges by lessening the load on the cpu(which causes ups in voltage usage).
we reduce cpu load by reducing ram usage too.
also, turning the display brightness down and turning off unneeded features like bluetooth or wifi.
the kernel can be made more efficient like you said. so i agree there.
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Trying to do that the battery app takes more battery by being in the background always. sometimes it also steals data.. There's no point you're better of without it.
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Trying to do that the battery app takes more battery by being in the background always. sometimes it also steals data.. There's no point you're better of without it.
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Of course the battery does nothing.
thats what the settings > battery
function is for anyways. to see the resource hog of the system.
so it works in identifiying the problem.
but your right, the battery app is unnecessary since we already have a stock implementation.
but that wasn't my point. my point is that you can modify the userspace for more battery between charges.
Lgrootnoob said:
Of course the battery does nothing.
thats what the settings > battery
function is for anyways. to see the resource hog of the system.
so it works in identifiying the problem.
but your right, the battery app is unnecessary since we already have a stock implementation.
but that wasn't my point. my point is that you can modify the userspace for more battery between charges.
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At the end of day we agree that battery apps are not required... Android is pretty optimized by itself.
Decrease screen brightness and timeout it takes the highest amount of battery.
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MasterAwesome said:
At the end of day we agree that battery apps are not required... Android is pretty optimized by itself.
Decrease screen brightness and timeout it takes the highest amount of battery.
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"At the end of day we agree that battery apps are not required.." obviously.
"Android is pretty optimized by itself. " its not about android(I didnt mention android being optimized, I figured that it was pretty obvious and didnt need discussion), it was about android having the tools to find the problem. see the following:
"Decrease screen brightness and timeout it takes the highest amount of battery. "and this brings me to MY POINT.
We are talking about app hogs which ARE a problem.
I would expect the OP has enough of a brain to reduce the brightness.
You have app services that use tons of ram and cpu. Why can't you accept that?
The theory behind a battery app is legitimate, but the OP just has to use the builtin android application.
Lgrootnoob said:
"At the end of day we agree that battery apps are not required.." obviously.
"Android is pretty optimized by itself. " its not about android(I didnt mention android being optimized, I figured that it was pretty obvious and didnt need discussion), it was about android having the tools to find the problem. see the following:
"Decrease screen brightness and timeout it takes the highest amount of battery. "and this brings me to MY POINT.
We are talking about app hogs which ARE a problem.
I would expect the OP has enough of a brain to reduce the brightness.
You have app services that use tons of ram and cpu. Why can't you accept that?
The theory behind a battery app is legitimate, but the OP just has to use the builtin android application.
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Confrontation Much
The original posting he said was that software does not have impact on hardware in that it can not fix physical damage on the battery such as dead cells.
Such apps are just fake.
I purchased a new phone and same day I installed repair battery life. It showed 8 low cells and one inactive. It claimed it will increase my battery life by 18% (WOW, LOL)
After that I tried again and it showed me all green cells.
I cleared the app's cache, cleared data and uninstalled the app.
Later on, I calibrated the battery with another app called "battery fix" which needs root and deletes batterystats.bin file
I once installed "repair battery life" and guess what? It showed again 8 low cells and one inactive.
It's just another fake crAPP
Number of cells shown suggests fake.
I tried Battery Life Repair by "Extended Apps " and I remain very sceptical. Nowhere it is explained what the app actually does.
A normal Phone has one or two cells. This app shows 100 cells and claims that some are broken or damaged and the software can repair it through some extraordinary (supernatural?) process. It Claims it repaired these problematic cells (like 5 out of 100), although it physically makes no sense considering a phone has one or two cells, which are usually either working or broken. Then it also requests access to media, identity and accounts, which is suspicious given what the app claims to do.
Comments in the app-store just prove to me that placebos work. On the other hand, some people figured that if the "battery repair" is done, the app data is deleted and the app run again, it again shows the same amount of "problematic cells".
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I tried Battery Life Repair by "Extended Apps " and I remain very sceptical. Nowhere it is explained what the app actually does.
A normal Phone has one or two cells. This app shows 100 cells and claims that some are broken or damaged and the software can repair it through some extraordinary (supernatural?) process. It Claims it repaired these problematic cells (like 5 out of 100), although it physically makes no sense considering a phone has one or two cells, which are usually either working or broken. Then it also requests access to media, identity and accounts, which is suspicious given what the app claims to do.
Comments in the app-store just prove to me that placebos work. On the other hand, some people figured that if the "battery repair" is done, the app data is deleted and the app run again, it again shows the same amount of "problematic cells".
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I strongly suspected myself this app is complete bull twaddle, but I was also curious so installed it just to see what it makes of the battery "analysis".
It magically 'fixed' the problem cells, but unlike you on a subsequent retest the previously 'faulty cells' had still be 'fixed'.
I wonder how this app is polling the 'cells'? Or is it just making up some fancy graphics and not actually doing anything at all under the hood?
I also wonder what would happen if I switched batteries or took the existing one out and in again? Maybe I'll try at some point.
This is my experience.
I thought this is impossible but i installed it just to try..
In that time i first tryed it i had Galaxy 3 Apollo. Battery was so bad that percentage was going low when you were looking on it and after some short period of time phone just shutdown by itself.. I decided to try it so maybe i save money for new battery. With few shutdowns i finally did it and something happen. Battery didn't go low that way and phone stoped turning off by itself!! It could stop while i was washing dishes but it was "fixed" after i used that app, so i dont know. I don't personally think that some app can fix hardware issue but i think it works as some "refresh" or something like that. I don't know really but in my case was money saver what ever that is. Oh and i'm talking about "Extended Apps" app.. :/
I'm also skeptical about these things but unlike others in here, I tried before drawing conclusion with my awesome rational brain. And yes it works marvelous. My Galaxy Note 3 battery is working as brand new, giving 3 to 4 days without charging and it was 1 to 2 days before the app. I don't think that is placebo effect and I have absolutely no idea what the app does, and too bad the dev doesn't have a website, but the app is good. Also using the other app from the same dev, called Advanced Battery Calibrator and letting the phone charge till 100% while off did wonderful things.
I still wonder how it can fix hardware of it simply erase data from the battery increasing risk to catch on fire, but it does work.
As far as I know, the software keeps data of the battery in other to avoid charges over 100%. With time that will effectively make the battery charge till 99% then 98% and goes on, till u have a battery on 70% for example but the software say its 100%, because it wont charge more than that to avoid the risk of fire. Perhaps this app erase that data and increase the risk of mal function. But I have no idea.
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I'm also skeptical about these things but unlike others in here, I tried before drawing conclusion with my awesome rational brain. And yes it works marvelous. My Galaxy Note 3 battery is working as brand new, giving 3 to 4 days without charging and it was 1 to 2 days before the app. I don't think that is placebo effect and I have absolutely no idea what the app does, and too bad the dev doesn't have a website, but the app is good. Also using the other app from the same dev, called Advanced Battery Calibrator and letting the phone charge till 100% while off did wonderful things.
I still wonder how it can fix hardware of it simply erase data from the battery increasing risk to catch on fire, but it does work.
As far as I know, the software keeps data of the battery in other to avoid charges over 100%. With time that will effectively make the battery charge till 99% then 98% and goes on, till u have a battery on 70% for example but the software say its 100%, because it wont charge more than that to avoid the risk of fire. Perhaps this app erase that data and increase the risk of mal function. But I have no idea.
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If your battery has dead cells im sorry but no app will fix it, unless its magic! It must replace the cells somehow magically! Omg do some basic research these apps are fake garbage! Maybe it can fix my dead s3 battery hahaha NOT!
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If your battery has dead cells im sorry but no app will fix it, unless its magic! It must replace the cells somehow magically! Omg do some basic research these apps are fake garbage! Maybe it can fix my dead s3 battery hahaha NOT!
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ofc is not gona revive a battery,but even that it can be made,in some cases,i saw that of ppl proving that live,they took a dead battery and test it to show that it is dead and just used another same model battery that it was working and hold them connected like 5 min toghether,after that it just put the dead battery at charged and what u know?it did revived it,no idea how the battery actually work,but it seems that they can actually get stuck somehow and they can get a "forced" revive,like a CPR for humans,but like i said,not working with all,same as like on humans,not all can be revived with CPR,but i guess that this app has to do something coz like some in here i did used it and ... the magic worked,not on a dead battery,so scheptical as it sounds,on some batteries it works even tho maybe is not something hardware but maybe just something software,why i say that,i had a tablet and a few times when i was restarting the tablet,after a min was turning off coz of battery 0%,and that after i got the recharger plug off,so it was 100% for sure,after a few times restarting the tablet it was showing again 100 % as it should be,so i guess that not even android is always reading the data correctly
Of course is a full fake. Uninstall them, becouse they can do bitcoin mining or whatever gain trough pupup and promotions., as well as getting your data.
1) Ion litium or polymer batteries cannot be repaired.
2) cells are 1 or max 4 not 256 as those apps shows
3) clearing the cache brings different fault cells
4) reinastalling shows other broken cells
5) strangely the application after "repair" stays open in background. So at least the word "repair" is a joke fooling people.
6) dynamic ram and ddr are always powered and refresh cycles are required in all the address space generally, so saying that freeing ram allow more battery duration is a fake.
7) whatever the app does to have battery least more is just sw and tricky. I would not rely on that and remove the app.
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MasterAwesome did u disable Lgrootnoob's account because it says its disabled was it because he challenged ur opinion? lol childish much? Who cares if it works it either works or it doesnt I dont see it hurting me
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MasterAwesome did u disable Lgrootnoob's account because it says its disabled was it because he challenged ur opinion? lol childish much? Who cares if it works it either works or it doesnt I dont see it hurting me
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Didnt notice this was my brothers account he uses my phone
Hello, there's a way to calibrate your battery without root.
to calibrate your battery, i found by my self a way to(when i did it, the battery time left was increased):
1)charge your phone to 100% battery.
2)turn on- wifi, auto rotation, bluetooth...(everything that is consuming battery not including apps)
3)leave your phone with screen off.
4)discharge much as you can.
5)when you finished, charge your phone and don't use the phone.
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if you want a proof that this is worked- open settings and see how much time left for your battery(you will see that it had been increased).
FYI I just finished testing Battery Life Repair 2018 by running it on a new Android tablet with a huge 8000+mAh battery. It reported about 14 weak or bad cells out of a total of 120 cells. When told to fix those cells, it requests you to download another of their apps to help support them. Just say YES, then kick back out without downloading and the fix finishes. I had hardware "USB Safety Tester" connected during this test (it displays various info including the charging voltage and amperage). With about 12% of the cells reported bad, after the fix the Tester recorded zero increase in Volts or Amps. So it maintained a steady watt draw from the charger even after 14 more cells were now drawing watts to charge. Next I cleared storage on the app, ran it again, and got 12 different cells reported to have problems. Fixed those cells, and again, no change in charge draw.
I also found it strange that it would use WIFI and Cell Data and run in the background. Why?
The Battery Life Repair app reports that my Galaxy S5 also has 120 cells in its battery. Seeing as almost 99% of phones and tables have a SINGLE cell in their battery (one or two phones have 2 cells), the display of a 120 cell grid seems rather fishy. Having a 120 cell battery requires cell balancing hardware and software that that would add to the cost of the phone, plus make the battery physically larger. My electric bike has about 80-90 cells in it and it weighs about 15lbs and is 30,000 mAh and 47 volts. Hard to do in one or two cells. That is a good example of why a multi cell (3.6 v each?) battery is needed. But not a cell phone or tablet.
I know my test is not the most scientific, but at least I did check for a change in wattage draw before and after fixing cells, and not just ecstatically claim my battery has improved.
So I call Battery Repair Life 2018 to be a steaming pile of BS that is probably robbing you of your contacts and other personal information while running in the background sucking up your data plan. But, hey, that's just me.
Maybe there's something, like a chip, that detects battery degradation. And when it reaches a certain point, a sustained battery incorrectedness(word?)sets it off into the infamous ir-repairable Boot Loop of Death....i wish i could add a sound effect of that last sentence echoing to signify the fear and importance to avoid this "unknown why" issue. This bugs me that there isn't an answer for it(at least that i know of) and Google seems to replace them as if it was something they expected to happen???
Anyone else have any thoughts on this, please SHARE.
I'm worried about my lifeline to the world dying on me and if there's something i can do to prevent this from happening, by all means please tell me!
Bryanx86 said:
I'm worried about my lifeline to the world dying on me and if there's something i can do to prevent this from happening, by all means please tell me!
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There are two distinct issues being reported by some users of the 6P. One is the manufacturing quality of the motherboard and the solder used (motherboard failure), and the other is a very poor quality battery prone to early degradation (battery failure). There is nothing at all you can do about the first issue. Luck of the draw. On the second, you can proactively monitor the battery capacity compared with the original capacity (3450 mAh) using an app called Accubattery. If your battery does start to degrade, you install a quality replacement. The battery issue seems to be much more prevalent. On the positive side, an overwhelming majority of users have not experienced either issue. Nothing to be done other than keep an eye on the battery and intervene early if required.
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There are two distinct issues being reported by some users of the 6P. One is the manufacturing quality of the motherboard and the solder used (motherboard failure), and the other is a very poor quality battery prone to early degradation (battery failure). There is nothing at all you can do about the first issue. Luck of the draw. On the second, you can proactively monitor the battery capacity compared with the original capacity (3450 mAh) using an app called Accubattery. If your battery does start to degrade, you install a quality replacement. The battery issue seems to be much more prevalent. On the positive side, an overwhelming majority of users have not experienced either issue. Nothing to be done other than keep an eye on the battery and intervene early if required.
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I have and have used accubattery for awhile now, and my actual battery percentage, is about 83% unfortunately. Is changing the battery a very complicated thing? That you know of?
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I have and have used accubattery for awhile now, and my actual battery percentage, is about 83% unfortunately. Is changing the battery a very complicated thing? That you know of?
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Replacement time. Sucks but it's true. The Cameron Sino seems to be the most popular among 6P users. I don't think it is too difficult, and there are a growing number of YouTube videos. Seems like you need a heat gun or good blow dryer to soften the glue and the usual plastic tools. Or... you could always order the battery online and take it to a repair shop.
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Replacement time. Sucks but it's true. The Cameron Sino seems to be the most popular among 6P users. I don't think it is too difficult, and there are a growing number of YouTube videos. Seems like you need a heat gun or good blow dryer to soften the glue and the usual plastic tools. Or... you could always order the battery online and take it to a repair shop.
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Thanks for the link. Strange enough, i just clean flashed the rom i usually use, (it was updated for the security patches) anyways, i charged my phone to 100%, i usually never do, I only usually charge to 86% based on "Accubatterie's" insistence that it is less wear on your battery. And at 100% charge, my battery health is at 86%. Coincidence? It is also a fresh app install of Accubattery, i have the pro version and the health is only based on the one charge...
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Thanks for the link. Strange enough, i just clean flashed the rom i usually use, (it was updated for the security patches) anyways, i charged my phone to 100%, i usually never do, I only usually charge to 86% based on "Accubatterie's" insistence that it is less wear on your battery. And at 100% charge, my battery health is at 86%. Coincidence? It is also a fresh app install of Accubattery, i have the pro version and the health is only based on the one charge...
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You should not give much focus to Accubattery % there is not real way of knowing the battery degradation specialty because Android itself is not collecting most of the data.
How old is your phone? If is over a year is totally normal to start noticing the difference in battery life. Best choice is to just replace it.
Hello everyone, I've been using a oneplus nord for the last three days and the phone is brand new. One thing I noticed is that the battery life is not that great considering it has a 4115Mah so I took a look at Aida64 battery stats when charged to 100% and it looks like the maximum capacity is 3500 Mah. I found this a bit weird since it's impossible that the battery degradated so quick and so much most of all. So I wanted to ask if you re willing to share a screenshot of aida64 of the battery capacity at 100% just to make sure if it's a single device problem or a common issue. Thanks everybody
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Hello everyone, I've been using a oneplus nord for the last three days and the phone is brand new. One thing I noticed is that the battery life is not that great considering it has a 4115Mah so I took a look at Aida64 battery stats when charged to 100% and it looks like the maximum capacity is 3500 Mah. I found this a bit weird since it's impossible that the battery degradated so quick and so much most of all. So I wanted to ask if you re willing to share a screenshot of aida64 of the battery capacity at 100% just to make sure if it's a single device problem or a common issue. Thanks everybody
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I guess you have gotten a defect or the app is reading incorrectly since I just checked on mine and it's 4115mAh
DinethIrusha said:
I guess you have gotten a defect or the app is reading incorrectly since I just checked on mine and it's 4115mAh
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if you could send a screenshot of this parameter at 100% it would be very helpful
shajk-00 said:
if you could send a screenshot of this parameter at 100% it would be very helpful
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Here you go
daniellartey said:
Here you go
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if you look at charge counter it's 3581 mah, way less than the normal capacity
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if you look at charge counter it's 3581 mah, way less than the normal capacity
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If you're getting 8-9 hours SOT every cycle I wouldn't worry that much about stats. Those apps can be off, even accubattery needed an update because it couldn't handle the battery of the 8 series.
You tell me lol
Here you go, it's even worse then all of yours
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Here you go, it's even worse then all of yours
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your's is clearly messed up, I'm doing 6 and a half hours of sot max but I'm in dual sim mode with constant roaming also, so Idk really if it's normal or it should perform better
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your's is clearly messed up, I'm doing 6 and a half hours of sot max but I'm in dual sim mode with constant roaming also, so Idk really if it's normal or it should perform better
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Mines almost WiFi only, I don't get out much and I don't play graphic intensive games. So if your almost full on data it's not bad imho.
EDIT: you could try accubattery and see if it's more accurate after some charge-decharge cycles?
My is 1396mAh when fully charged. So I googled, and found this:
"On many devices the standard Android Battery API is inadequately implemented, and fails to provide proper charge counter information for the battery. If you want, you can hide the incorrect charge counter information from the Battery page by unchecking the charge counter option in the AIDA64 Settings."
https://forums.aida64.com/topic/6432- charge-counter-is-inaccurate/?tab=comments#comment-27522
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This is mine battery with tracking since first use and charged until 80% at max. Really disappointed.
Tracker31 said:
This is mine battery with tracking since first use and charged until 80% at max. Really disappointed.
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I had roughly the same value. Maybe accubattery isn't reading the values properly? There was an update regarding the 8 series because it couldn't reed the values of "2" batteries. Maybe it's bugged for the Nord too?
Accubattery thinks that my battery is 6879mAh. And that is after several charges. So yeah, I think we can safely assume these number don't mean s****.
I'm testing BatteryGuru now and it shows it right...
I have a pixel 6 and noticed that my voltage figure on AccuBattery is high. Its reading as 4.3mv ??
I have no idea what ths means or if its something i should be concerned about?
I would like to know this also. I'm only observing it when I use my Motorola quick charger. It's the quickest, just powerful charger I have at the moment.
Those apps only measure battery voltage, not charger voltage.
With that said, is the number we are seeing for battery voltage something to be worried about?
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I have a pixel 6 and noticed that my voltage figure on AccuBattery is high. Its reading as 4.3mv ??
I have no idea what ths means or if its something i should be concerned about?
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That does NOT say 4.3mv (which would indicate a bug in the program, since the phone would not power on at that low of a voltage)
That says 4,318 mV, as in four thousand three hundred eighteen milli-volts, or about 4.3 V. That's a reasonable value for this kind of battery.
Nothing to worry about, move along.
4.318V (which is what it is) is indeed high if you read about the max voltage Lithium Ion cells should be charged to, to maintain reasonable service life. However I have found my previous Pixels do a similar thing and Lithium chemistries can vary quite a bit so I wouldn't be too concerned.
Having said that, have a look at the 'battery' thread here if you want to get maximum service life from the battery. In that case you should probably keep the charge levels in the 40-65% range in an ideal world. But at the end of the day, many folk don't care or obsess about this stuff, especially if they're replacing their phone every couple of years and/or are happy to get a battery replacement when capacity drops too far.
Different chemistry tweaks can affect the the voltage of a cell. My battery also goes that high, so I assume this is normal performance for the particular cell Google chose.