Question Sound question - Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

Hi. I have a question regarding the sound/stereo/atmos quality on the S23 Ultra. I have noticed that when turning the phone sideways the sound is much louder from the bottom side of the screen. I used the codes to test the sound and bottom and top speakers work, but top is a lot softer then the bottom. I do understand that the opening for the speaker on the top is a lot smaller. Almost the same as S22U. On my S22U I got a lot better atmos experience than on the S23U. A lot more left and right audio seperation/stereo and atmos effect. I have also noticed that when holding the phone normal the sound is stronger from the bottom. If I close the speaker grill I can still barely hear the top speaker. I have enabled and disabled atmos and tried every setting, but there is almost zero difference....I basically hear only "mono" if that makes any sense. Anyone else have something similar or is there a setting/config I'm missing or that I can try?

Samsung has given the audio department a massive upgrade for the S23 compared with S22 or the S21. Compared with S21U, the 23U is a sea of change. I'm unsure how you can achieve atmos on such tiny speakers mostly firing forward! Yes, the top speaker is quieter than the bottom one but isn't that the case generally with most dual speakers on the latest devices?

On the S22U you would get a stereo/atmos effect when turning the phone sideways. Not huge, but definitely noticeable. On the s23u for me the sound comes through as mono, because the bottom speaker is so much louder, there is no separation between top and bottom. I know on the phone the atmos effect won't be as strong, but having equal level of sound between the 2 speakers would be nice and that is not what I'm getting

termdj said:
On the S22U you would get a stereo/atmos effect when turning the phone sideways. Not huge, but definitely noticeable. On the s23u for me the sound comes through as mono, because the bottom speaker is so much louder, there is no separation between top and bottom. I know on the phone the atmos effect won't be as strong, but having equal level of sound between the 2 speakers would be nice and that is not what I'm getting
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Now that you have put it that way, I need to test this out. But I'm not sure that I would notice the atmos effect much!

It's not so much the atmos effect, it's more that the sound comes mainly from the bottom speaker when playing music etc. Playing the 2 phones side by side, I can hear the difference from a mile... The s23u does sound a bit louder than the s22u, but the stereo effect is better on the s22u. Definitely better separation on s22u

I don't get the atmos . I was under impression atmos is a registered processing coding that can take what ever sound channel input and simulate more channel.
In example : give a atmos no-channel-defined audio source, and the receiver will output 6ch (5.1), so all your PHYSICAL speaker can play different sound to have the surround effect.
Atmos can simulate up to 128 channels.
so no matter how many speaker, and what height, it can simulate the right sound to the right speaker.
Not so sure if it's been developed to simulate the opposite ; surround over 2 speakers (on same height and close distance) based on a multi-channel atmos source...
You can achieve something very similar with stereo X (mixing few frequencies of both channel so the sound seems to come from a bigger room)
Anyway, S23 U I like the speaker at the bottom , since I can ear the phone ringing while walking, this compensate for the weak haptic feedback.
I tried the Pixel 4a, and damn for a budget phone is very close to the S23U.

termdj said:
On the S22U you would get a stereo/atmos effect when turning the phone sideways. Not huge, but definitely noticeable. On the s23u for me the sound comes through as mono, because the bottom speaker is so much louder, there is no separation between top and bottom. I know on the phone the atmos effect won't be as strong, but having equal level of sound between the 2 speakers would be nice and that is not what I'm getting
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I got stereo sounds blasting from both speakers simultaneously, obviously more on the bottom given the much space when its sideways. It's like sounds move like a little bubble in a level tube prioritizing whichever position (speaker) you place it over the other (speaker) and balances when horizontal. Its subtle but its there.
It doesn't sound mono on my end. I ramped all the frequencies to the max. Typically the same experience I got on my previous S22U but way better on S23U. Maybe you should try that option as well. Also, I use Poweramp equalizer if that helps.

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I got stereo sounds blasting from both speakers simultaneously, obviously more on the bottom given the much space when its sideways. It's like sounds move like a little bubble in a level tube prioritizing whichever position (speaker) you place it over the other (speaker) and balances when horizontal. Its subtle but its there.
It doesn't sound mono on my end. I ramped all the frequencies to the max. Typically the same experience I got on my previous S22U but way better on S23U. Maybe you should try that option as well. Also, I use Poweramp equalizer if that helps.
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I will try poweramp for music as I'm using stock samsung music currently and see if it makes a difference

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[Q] Concert Setting for Audio-only Recording?

I've used Rehearsal Assistant on my old phone to record performances during rehearsal, but they were always distorted because the mic is overloaded.
i bought the Razr because the sound quality on audio recordings on youtube seemed much clearer and useful for me to rehears with.
i can choose the 'concert' audio setting when i'm using the stock camcorder app, but it seems like other apps don't have access to this setting, and my Rehearsal Assistant is still getting overloaded.
are there Apps that can take advantage of these sound settings? or is there a way to default to the 'concert' setting?
any info would be appreciated.
An overloaded microphone can't be fixed with settings. That's a mechanical failure. These mics are very small and work well at volumes below around 96db.
The settings will adjust themselves using software AGC. The distortion you're hearing is due to the mic diaphragm slamming into the magnet.
Best bet: try to find some mylar sheet plastic, cut it into 2cm x 1cm rectangles. Tape them in layers over the microphone hole until the mic is no longer overloaded. Try two sheets: my son did that at a concert and the quality was what I'd expect for a cheap microphone, but not distorted. That was an iPhone. I have no idea what the SPL rating on the two mics is, or which is "better".
You can use other materials, but mylar seems to be stiff enough to preserve the hi-hat/cymbals while cutting the pressure of the sound waves hitting the mic transducer.

I see Htc never addressed the poor audio compression in video recordings

Not a gripe...
No change to the sound quality after ICS. Figures ehh.. bad compression in sound still present.. I'm still having to use lgcamera for video. I love that app but I wish the dev would fix the screen cropping, aspect ratio and improper scaling. What apps do you use for video recording?
they fixed the clicks and pops though. That was the huge problem we all complained to htc about and it seems they fixed it... so that's good lol
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Yeah, the beeping noise is gone. But I still woukdnt recommend using it in loud environments such as around loud music or crowds. It gives it a robotic swishy effect. Rather annoying and makes some sounds difficult to interpret.
They just figure that suckers for "Beats Audio" don't know what sound quality is.
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They just figure that suckers for "Beats Audio" don't know what sound quality is.
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Some people like the bass heavy , weak midtones and boosted highs , I personally dont. If you are a rap junkie...then yah..shoot. Its ok..but I have a wide music listening taste. Also being an audiophile has that weird effect...
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Yeah, the beeping noise is gone. But I still woukdnt recommend using it in loud environments such as around loud music or crowds. It gives it a robotic swishy effect. Rather annoying and makes some sounds difficult to interpret.
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yep, almost positive thats the noice cancellation messing everything up, but joe never figured out how to truly disable it
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Some people like the bass heavy , weak midtones and boosted highs , I personally dont. If you are a rap junkie...then yah..shoot. Its ok..but I have a wide music listening taste. Also being an audiophile has that weird effect...
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The frequency curve on Beats is even weirder than most bass-heavy headphones though, at least on the un-EQ'ed headphones. On the standard Beats earbuds (not sure about the iBeats...never seen any tests on them), the low bass is actually suppressed, and the mid-high bass is boosted way up. The mids are actually suppressed (most bass-heavy sets just flatten them), and the highs peak in a weird place instead of just tapering like most bass-heavy sets. I don't mind a bit of bass-heaviness in headphones...you aren't getting the floor-shaking, chest-vibrating feedback of large speakers, so heavier bass helps bring the lows out of the mix, but the weirdness in the low bass and the suppressed mids explains why Beats just sounds like mud to me.
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yep, almost positive thats the noice cancellation messing everything up, but joe never figured out how to truly disable it
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Yes..that was my first thought early in the year because this seems to be mostly audible when louder low to mid bass frequncies are prominent. But it also resembles bad audio compression or a codec problem. Noise cancellation needs the second mic to wirk, so if this is the case .....then why is it still heard during a stereo recording? The second mic signal is being routed to the input mixer/gain amp then to the audio codec...instead of the noise cancelation system. Idk if thats hardware built in or software.
@Shrike , yes the ibeats earbuds do suck. Very muddy sound. I do like their fit tho..

Speakers: upper one next to frontcam has more "loudness" than lower one on music

Speakers: upper one next to frontcam has more "loudness" than lower one on music
Sorry for my englsih,
seems that the upper speaker has more loudness/bass than the lower one.
Not that it is much louder but it sounds "fuller", the lower one a bit thinner.
Are there minimal differneces between the speakers as the upper one is the one for phone calls and a kind of "primary" maybe?
Have no compare device so I just liked to ask here.
Thx
I experience this on my z5 E6653, but assumed it was because the bottom speaker is in a different position internally because the micro USB has to be able to fit.
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Well, been searching for a teardown too and it looked like different speakers, not that good to view, but maybe.
Anyway, since that it is "no stereo" stereo?
There's another thread on here somewhere about this. Most people were reporting there top speaker being louder. My bottom one is a bit louder. There is an xposed module that adjusts stereo volume by channel so if you're rooted there is hope.
Well its not louder, its "fatter" volume, more bass.
Store told me thats fine as only the upper one is made for bass, so they should be both at same volume, mine are, but the one next to USB sounds thinner at same volume.
So all fine with that as long as they are equal loud.

does the V30 have a knob to control the directivity of the microphones?

The V20 has a directional setting for the sound when recording video. You can bias the recording to sounds coming from either the lens side or the screen side of the phone. The former is great for when you are recording people or events, the latter has been fantastic when the shooter is commenting on what is being videoed. Does the V30 still have this front-to-back mic bias selector?
The V30 does not have that slider. Not exactly sure why but the guess is due to the mic arrangement.
The V20 had three mics that were constant and could be switched between. (Although, to this day I still can't find anything that shows where the third mic was.) The V30 has two mics and the RAM (Receiver As Mic) when the decibels get high enough. You don't get to control that last one, it just comes on when the volume of what you're recording hits an ear splitting level. So there's really only two mics recording the rest of the time.
Any time I've been out trying to record with the V20, the slider only made a minor difference. I'd still pick up ambient noise from behind me. So my second guess is that LG decided the slider wasn't doing enough to justify its inclusion this round. Reality is that there's a reason you run separate soundtrack recording from video if you're really doing sound sensitive recordings. (That's part of the reason you see that clapboard at the beginning of filming for movies and videos. It gives an audio and visual alignment point for mixing the two later.)
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The V30 does not have that slider. Not exactly sure why but the guess is due to the mic arrangement.
The V20 had three mics that were constant and could be switched between. (Although, to this day I still can't find anything that shows where the third mic was.) The V30 has two mics and the RAM (Receiver As Mic) when the decibels get high enough. You don't get to control that last one, it just comes on when the volume of what you're recording hits an ear splitting level. So there's really only two mics recording the rest of the time.
Any time I've been out trying to record with the V20, the slider only made a minor difference. I'd still pick up ambient noise from behind me. So my second guess is that LG decided the slider wasn't doing enough to justify its inclusion this round. Reality is that there's a reason you run separate soundtrack recording from video if you're really doing sound sensitive recordings. (That's part of the reason you see that clapboard at the beginning of filming for movies and videos. It gives an audio and visual alignment point for mixing the two later.)
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Thank you for your detailed answer! Have you tried that RAM solution in a noisy environment or have some link for an audio test? In fact I can't find much audio recording tests online for the V30 despite its growing popularity as if no one cares about it ...
Oh yeah, I definitely had it kick in on me Wednesday night. I was standing in front of a speaker stack at a concert. A message pops-up when you start recording and it senses you're in such an environment. You probably won't see many tests of the RAM as it takes something around 120 decibels to kick in. My left ear is still ringing from Wednesday night and yesterday I was dizzy.
That said, how does it sound? As long as what you're recording stays constant, it sounds pretty good. If there's changes, specifically loud to extremely loud, you hear a change that makes you realize it's just applying a simple filter to the audio. Which is to be expected. To pull off the miracle of having the sound keep a constant in such a situation would require a much larger recording operation than will fit in a phone. (My audio geek friends are still surprised at what control you can get with the V series.)
Once I know I can hear what I recorded the other night, I'll load some up to YouTube and link back on one of the threads here.
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Oh yeah, I definitely had it kick in on me Wednesday night. I was standing in front of a speaker stack at a concert. A message pops-up when you start recording and it senses you're in such an environment. You probably won't see many tests of the RAM as it takes something around 120 decibels to kick in. My left ear is still ringing from Wednesday night and yesterday I was dizzy.
That said, how does it sound? As long as what you're recording stays constant, it sounds pretty good. If there's changes, specifically loud to extremely loud, you hear a change that makes you realize it's just applying a simple filter to the audio. Which is to be expected. To pull off the miracle of having the sound keep a constant in such a situation would require a much larger recording operation than will fit in a phone. (My audio geek friends are still surprised at what control you can get with the V series.)
Once I know I can hear what I recorded the other night, I'll load some up to YouTube and link back on one of the threads here.
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Eagerly awaiting to hear your recordings! Thank you so much!

Confused about what earbuds to buy

First and foremost, a note to the mods:
I'm asking a question about V30 accessories, so I wasn't sure where to post this thread. If I chose, wrong, then please forgive me and move it. I'm really sorry!
Now for the question:
I want a good sounding in-ear earbud for my V30. I have a decent set of cans, but they aren't very portable and I want a a good set of earbuds too. I mostly listen to rock and metal and prefer flat sounding headphones (I think... I don't like the bass overpowering the vocals and I don't use any equalizers in my music player app... so, flat?).
I can't afford much, but $150 is the most I'm willing to spend and have narrowed my choices down to two specific headphones based on reviews here on XDA and Amazon.
The problem is, the headphones have a lot of drastically different specs and now I'm super confused on what to buy.
Choice 1 is the SoundMagic E80C
https://soundmagicheadphones.com/products/soundmagic-e80c-in-ear-isolating-earphones-with-mic
(scroll to specifications)
It has- compared to Choice 2- a lower frequency range (15Hz - 22KHz), but a higher sensitivity (102dB) and impedance (64 Ohms).
In fact, I bought them already and like them, but wondering if Choice 2 would be better.
Buyer's remorse combined with confusion of headphone spec meanings. UGH!
Choice 2 is the 1More Quad Driver Headphones
https://usa.1more.com/products/1more-quad-driver-in-ear-headphones
(Again, scroll to Specs)
It has- compared to Choice 1- a higher frequency range (20 - 40,000Hz), but a lower sensitivity (99dB) and impedance (32 Ohms). On top of that, it has 4 drivers and is THX certified (if that means anything with the V30).
Now, here's the reason for my confusion. Everyone here on XDA and many other sites are praising the V30's Quad-Dac, but say that it won't kick in under 50 Ohms. This is making me believe that higher impedance is better, so I need Choice 1 (why I bought it). However, audiophile websites are saying something like (based on my understanding) higher frequency is better and so is sensitivity. This is making me wonder if Choice 2 is actually better for me because the sensitivity is only slightly lower than Choice 1, but the frequency is almost double of Choice 1. They say too that bigger drivers aren't necessarily better, so... Choice 1 again?
So, after hours of research, buyer's remorse (wondering if I made the correct purchase), and my brain frying from confusion, I ask my fellow V30 owners:
Can you help me make a buying decision? Did I make a good decision and should keep the SoundMagic E80C, or should I return them and pay more for the 1More Quad-Drivers?
This decision needs to be based on the music I listen to and I don't want bassy headphones intended for hip-hop, rap, etc.
Thank you, Community and I look forward to seeing what you all have to say.
SOUND MAGIC E80: Superb, for in-ear headphones*. There may be something to the idea that higher impedance headphones have better sound quality by virtue of higher intensity magnetic field produced by more wire turns, e.g. better damping & control, faster response, etc. (E80 has 64 Ohm impedance, relatively high for in-ears and enough to trigger the V30 high impedance mode.)
The "C" suffix means some form of inline controls, there is (or was) also an "S" suffix model denoting inline controls. I got the version without inline controls, the E80.
On the other headphone with quad drivers: I tried a 1More triple driver, and the sound was muddy. My guess is that multiple drivers may introduce problems with intermodulation and also crossovers if those are used. Just a guess. Haven't tried the quad driver version, but after finding the E80, I have no need to.
(* In-ears have their own drawbacks, including effect on audio quality related to placement and seal in the ear, and "microphonics" aka noise conducted to the headphone from mechanical movement of cables. I accept those issues as the trade-off for the advantages of in-ears for use while exercising etc. The cable noise can be reduced by looping the cable over the ear.)
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I have both and prefer the Soundmagic by far.
Whichever earbuds you get, don't forget to easily root that phone(Magisk necessary), use WhiskeyOmega's mod for utilizing the advanced Dac preset always and installing Viper4Android.
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Whichever earbuds you get, don't forget to easily root that phone(Magisk necessary), use WhiskeyOmega's mod for utilizing the advanced Dac preset always and installing Viper4Android.
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I'm not interested in rooting and last I checked, the ATT variant isnt rootable. (See edit) I rooted the V20 and found it to have been a complete waste of my time. It just didnt add anything useful for me.
I also had installed Viper4Android on the V20 and the Play Store kept disabling it because it thought it was malware or something. It was SUPER annoying to deal with on a daily basis and don't want to deal with it on my V30. Plus, I don't need it anyways since I said I don't use equalizer settings and prefer the settings to be flat. It sounds better that way. It sounds like how the bands intended their music to sound. (At least I feel that way)ñ
Edit: I think I'm wrong. I guess all variants except the T-Mobile one have root now? Still not interested though.
Tinkerer_ said:
SOUND MAGIC E80: Superb, for in-ear headphones*. There may be something to the idea that higher impedance headphones have better sound quality by virtue of higher intensity magnetic field produced by more wire turns, e.g. better damping & control, faster response, etc. (E80 has 64 Ohm impedance, relatively high for in-ears and enough to trigger the V30 high impedance mode.)
The "C" suffix means some form of inline controls, there is (or was) also an "S" suffix model denoting inline controls. I got the version without inline controls, the E80.
On the other headphone with quad drivers: I tried a 1More triple driver, and the sound was muddy. My guess is that multiple drivers may introduce problems with intermodulation and also crossovers if those are used. Just a guess. Haven't tried the quad driver version, but after finding the E80, I have no need to.
(* In-ears have their own drawbacks, including effect on audio quality related to placement and seal in the ear, and "microphonics" aka noise conducted to the headphone from mechanical movement of cables. I accept those issues as the trade-off for the advantages of in-ears for use while exercising etc. The cable noise can be reduced by looping the cable over the ear.)
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I have both and prefer the Soundmagic by far.
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Thanks you two!
I think I'll keep the Soundmagic E80C's. After thinking about things a bit more (and reading opinions), the E80C's seem to be a better deal. They sound great, but cost less than the 1Mores do. So more bang for the buck I guess.
e80 are not flat, they are quite bright and unbalanced and they lack bass like any other soundmagic E-series out there.
1more quad on the other side are as flat as inear headphones cand be, are balanced and have superb sound stage. they are not harsh on highs (like 1more triple are). they are not muddy or warm or bright, they sound almost like my monitor speakers i have on the desk which i can asure you that they are as flat as any speakers can be.
but if you prefer soundmagic, i think that you might not know what flat sound is...
i tried e10, e50, e80 and decided to spend more money and get something that has more quality because my years really hurt and not even a week on them couldn't get used to the very bright sound they have, which did not happen when i was using 1more quad.
i don't even know how you compare these two because the 1more is almost 4 times more expensive than e80...
if you want something that really sounds good you should also look at Shure SE846
and seach whathifi forum because here, on xda, i had arguments with people saying that there is no difference between bluetooth and wire...
and another mistake you made is that in the audiophile world you cannot speak of "bang for the buck" because you cannot find the best cheap ones out there, it's simply like this: if you want quality, you pay because if you buy something that is cheaper you cannot get the sound of a high quality earphones by using cheapr ones and apply some "tricks" on them, you just have a lower quality sound. (quality can be described in may aspects, some even call themselves audiophile and praise the "extra bass" sticker on some sony boxes)
but many people out there do not understand this.
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e80 are not flat, they are quite bright and unbalanced and they lack bass like any other soundmagic E-series out there.
1more quad on the other side are as flat as inear headphones cand be, are balanced and have superb sound stage. they are not harsh on highs (like 1more triple are). they are not muddy or warm or bright, they sound almost like my monitor speakers i have on the desk which i can asure you that they are as flat as any speakers can be.
but if you prefer soundmagic, i think that you might not know what flat sound is...
i tried e10, e50, e80 and decided to spend more money and get something that has more quality because my years really hurt and not even a week on them couldn't get used to the very bright sound they have, which did not happen when i was using 1more quad.
i don't even know how you compare these two because the 1more is almost 4 times more expensive than e80...
if you want something that really sounds good you should also look at Shure SE846
and seach whathifi forum because here, on xda, i had arguments with people saying that there is no difference between bluetooth and wire...
and another mistake you made is that in the audiophile world you cannot speak of "bang for the buck" because you cannot find the best cheap ones out there, it's simply like this: if you want quality, you pay because if you buy something that is cheaper you cannot get the sound of a high quality earphones by using cheapr ones and apply some "tricks" on them, you just have a lower quality sound. (quality can be described in may aspects, some even call themselves audiophile and praise the "extra bass" sticker on some sony boxes)
but many people out there do not understand this.
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As noted, in-ear headphones designed to seal against the outer ear canal are very sensitive to fitment and seal. This is one of their drawbacks, and also produces widely varying opinions about any given headphone model.
I can produce a wide range of response (audio quality) with the E80 and any other headphone of this type simply by adjusting the fit, and also by using different tips. The bass is especially affected.
Even when a good fit and seal is obtained, the fit tends to loosen with use and user movement, one must periodically reseat the headphones to restore the seal.
Also, even if a tip produces a good seal, it may produce inferior audio quality compared to another tip, depending on headphone and individual user ear canal shape. For example, the Comply tips produce inferior sound quality in my ears compared to the base silicone tips of the E80. I suspect because the Complys have a longer and thinner opening "duct" and more absorbent material, which veil more of the driver, constrict airflow more, and absorb more sound energy than the silicone tips.
The E80 produce excellent response across the frequency range for me with the large silicone tips, when firmly seated just-so. If they are not seated just right, the quality suffers, just like all other sealing type in-ears. I'm comparing to two good standalone stereos and also other headphones.
No offense, but the Shure line is typically poor quality audio. They roll off at about 16-18kHz, producing noticeably dull sound compared to decent headphones. They made their name in professional monitors, which are intended for reliablility and durability, for use by performers, not high fidelity.
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As noted, in-ear headphones designed to seal against the outer ear canal are very sensitive to fitment and seal. This is one of their drawbacks, and also produces widely varying opinions about any given headphone model.
I can produce a wide range of response (audio quality) with the E80 and any other headphone of this type simply by adjusting the fit, and also by using different tips. The bass is especially affected.
Even when a good fit and seal is obtained, the fit tends to loosen with use and user movement, one must periodically reseat the headphones to restore the seal.
Also, even if a tip produces a good seal, it may produce inferior audio quality compared to another tip, depending on headphone and individual user ear canal shape. For example, the Comply tips produce inferior sound quality in my ears compared to the base silicone tips of the E80. I suspect because the Complys have a longer and thinner opening "duct" and more absorbent material, which veil more of the driver, constrict airflow more, and absorb more sound energy than the silicone tips.
The E80 produce excellent response across the frequency range for me with the large silicone tips, when firmly seated just-so. If they are not seated just right, the quality suffers, just like all other sealing type in-ears. I'm comparing to two good standalone stereos and also other headphones.
No offense, but the Shure line is typically poor quality audio. They roll off at about 16-18kHz, producing noticeably dull sound compared to decent headphones. They made their name in professional monitors, which are intended for reliablility and durability, for use by performers, not high fidelity.
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yet you spoke only about the sealing which is important indeed, but i was speaking about the drive capabilities of the earphone itself asuming perfect sealing.
even so... for my ears the 1more quad has the best seal and i never need to refit them even when i am out with my bike or running.
foam tips never give a good seal but they are a little more comfortable over long periods of time (several hours)
if the fit tends to lose it might mean that the e80 are not for your ears and you should try to find some other that do not have fitting problems.
professional studio monitors are not made with reliablility and durability being the first in mind but the sound reproduction to be as flat as possible which helps the sound producer to hear and correct the mistakes he made during composition.
every standalone stereos have colorised sound compared to studio monitors which are flat.
i was trying to make a point in flat sound because that si what op was asking for.
if you are saying that shure se846 are low quality earphones and e80 are superior in terms of sound quality, then... we have a problem.
which, unfortunately, you cannot correct.
it is curious how you say that foam tips produce lower quality sound because of the sealing problems...
what you hear is not lower quality sound because you are using them in a way they were not supposed to. you need that good sealing!
it's not the size of the duct, or the asbsorbing material, it's the sealing.
out of curiosity, what are the speakers you compared to and the other decent headphones?
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yet you spoke only about the sealing which is important indeed, but i was speaking about the drive capabilities of the earphone itself asuming perfect sealing.
even so... for my ears the 1more quad has the best seal and i never need to refit them even when i am out with my bike or running.
foam tips never give a good seal but they are a little more comfortable over long periods of time (several hours)
if the fit tends to lose it might mean that the e80 are not for your ears and you should try to find some other that do not have fitting problems.
professional studio monitors are not made with reliablility and durability being the first in mind but the sound reproduction to be as flat as possible which helps the sound producer to hear and correct the mistakes he made during composition.
every standalone stereos have colorised sound compared to studio monitors which are flat.
i was trying to make a point in flat sound because that si what op was asking for.
if you are saying that shure se846 are low quality earphones and e80 are superior in terms of sound quality, then... we have a problem.
which, unfortunately, you cannot correct.
it is curious how you say that foam tips produce lower quality sound because of the sealing problems...
what you hear is not lower quality sound because you are using them in a way they were not supposed to. you need that good sealing!
it's not the size of the duct, or the asbsorbing material, it's the sealing.
out of curiosity, what are the speakers you compared to and the other decent headphones?
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I refer to professional in-ear monitors used by performers on stage, such as made by Shure. These are quite different than headphones used in a studio for mixing and production, which are made for accurate audio.
I have not tried all Shure in-ears, but the ones I tried performed as one would expect judging by the specs indicating complete rolloff at 16-17 kHz. That is completely missing at least the top 4 kHz of nominal human hearing range, and the sound was pathetic. Dull, lifeless.
I suspect that this may be related to the use of heavier materials (for durability), which lower the upper natural frequency response due to greater inertia of moving parts.
I compare with a standalone system using an NAD receiver with Klipsch RF-3 speakers plus Klipsch 15" sub, and another with NAD preamp, AVA amp, and Infinite Slope speakers (no longer in business).
Headphones are a personal preference matter, the disagreements and debates never end. No doubt, many who find dull headphones e.g. Shure that only extend to 17 kHz to be "good", will say that other headphones that extend to 20 kHz and above (upper hearing frequency ranges) are "too bright", To each their own, I prefer to hear the full range including both upper and lower frequencies, of the music.
Best thing to do is buy a few different headphones to try from sellers with good return policies. Then you can decide for yourself.
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I refer to professional in-ear monitors used by performers on stage, such as made by Shure. These are quite different than headphones used in a studio for mixing and production, which are made for accurate audio.
I have not tried all Shure in-ears, but the ones I tried performed as one would expect judging by the specs indicating complete rolloff at 16-17 kHz. That is completely missing at least the top 4 kHz of nominal human hearing range, and the sound was pathetic. Dull, lifeless.
I suspect that this may be related to the use of heavier materials (for durability), which lower the upper natural frequency response due to greater inertia of moving parts.
I compare with a standalone system using an NAD receiver with Klipsch RF-3 speakers plus Klipsch 15" sub, and another with NAD preamp, AVA amp, and Infinite Slope speakers (no longer in business).
Headphones are a personal preference matter, the disagreements and debates never end. No doubt, many who find dull headphones e.g. Shure that only extend to 17 kHz to be "good", will say that other headphones that extend to 20 kHz and above (upper hearing frequency ranges) are "too bright", To each their own, I prefer to hear the full range including both upper and lower frequencies, of the music.
Best thing to do is buy a few different headphones to try from sellers with good return policies. Then you can decide for yourself.
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yes, professional in-ear monitors have a different purpose and i never used a pair. i think that nobody compose music only using headphones and everyone has a pair of monitors which sound very different compared to normal speakers which are made to soung 'good'. that's why i felt a big difference between a dac for audition and a audio interface designed for audio composition (burson conductor and audient id4). i liked the audient more becuse it sounds more natural. i always disable all effects from audio players and drivers.
i have tried only these shures (856) and i liked them (yes, they are a bit warm), nut i like more 1morequad and above all the speakers i have (m3-8)
i have done some tests and i cannot hear much above 17khz and even at this frequency it needs to be really amped to hear it clarly (or the source was bad)
brightness of a headphone doesn't mean that they extend to 20khz or above, it means that the hights are way louder than the rest of the range (i think that you already knew this). i think that what you are trying to say is that every headphone has its own signature and not all humans hear the same, but because of this debate never ends.
one fact is clear, after using the soundmagic for a week i had to sell them because they were literally hurting my ears and had to boy something else.
i do not know if you tried the 1more quad but the sound they produce are more clear and bit warmer than soundmagic (maybe because the highs are not that much amplified) and i can use them for a whole day without having any problems. (yes, same volume for both on modded nexus 5x and then high impedance mode for lg v30)
i also prefer to hear the full range but i do not prefer to sacrifice the lows for more highs.
other courious thought i have is that your audio equipment is way above soundmagic e80 yet you say they sound very good...
Hello friends i want to buy V30 plus because it has DAC, my doubt is whether i can use 32ohms earphone? will this sound good. Because i could see LG V30 plus supporting only above 50 ohms. is it true? please help. i have 1more quad drive earphones which so great in clarity.
P.K.Shivaram said:
Hello friends i want to buy V30 plus because it has DAC, my doubt is whether i can use 32ohms earphone? will this sound good. Because i could see LG V30 plus supporting only above 50 ohms. is it true? please help. i have 1more quad drive earphones which so great in clarity.
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It "supports" all earphones. It will adjust to make any earphones sound good.
Without root only those with about 50 ohms or more will get HIM (high impedance mode). Your can artificially trigger that by adding short 3.5mm accessory impedance plug with any earphones or through root.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/themes/whiskeyomegas-v30-sound-mods-t3757115
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It "supports" all earphones. It will adjust to make any earphones sound good.
Without root only those with about 50 ohms or more will get HIM ((high impedance mode). Your can artificially trigger that by adding short 3.5mm accessory impedance plug with any earphones or through root.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/themes/whiskeyomegas-v30-sound-mods-t3757115
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Thanks dude for the reply.:good:
TinAudio T2. 45$. mind blowing
Personally I think the 1more Triple Drivers are a better value (and sound just as good) as the 1more quads.
Hey everybody! I got my "SoundMAGIC E80S RED Reference Series Flagship Noise Isolating In-Ear Headphones with Microphone and Remote for all Smartphones + Extra eartips" yesterday.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N0U9YMM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
So far I'm VERY pleased with them in comparison to the GGMM C800's I was using before:
https://smile.amazon.com/GGMM-Isola...qid=1536606946&sr=1-1&keywords=GGMM+C800&th=1
I actually felt like I NEEDED to get the new headphones because I was having a weird thing with the GGMM's where I couldn't get the volume loud enough even with the volume all the way up and ViPER4Andoid tweaks. It wasn't always that way but has become a recent issue.
Now with these SoundMAGIC E80S ones the sound is SUPER loud. I don't have the Hi-Fi Quad DAC volume set above like 33 and that's already quite loud. Actually this morning I had to tweak the Hi-Fi Quad DAC and ViPER4Android settings because the highs were so clear that it was actually painful. I was using the Magisk module for ViPER4Android 2.5.0.5 but I removed that and put the unofficial ViPER4Android 2.6.0.5 from "Team_DeWitt" in /system/priv-app instead:
https://labs.xda-developers.com/store/app/com.pittvandewitt.viperfx
So far it's working well except that it sometimes crashes and I have to restart it. The 2.5.0.5 Magisk version had problems where it would frequently go to "Processing: No" and I had to reboot to get it working again. This unofficial 2.6.0.5 version seems to have fixed that, which is awesome! Also on the 2.5.0.5 I was having a problem with some Convolver impulse response files (such as SRS_1-1.irs) where the volume would constantly dip for fractions of a second. It drove me nuts and I THINK so far that this 2.6.0.5 has fixed that too!
So anyway these SoundMAGIC E80S headphones are pretty freaking amazing. I needed to tweak the DAC and V4A but right now my ears are in heaven!

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