About rooting - Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I've went back and forth rooting my device started with my Galaxy tablet device I own back years ago (I use iphone back then). See my signature.
It was fun experimenting with root, but not necessarily useful. After awhile, I flash back stock rom into it and just use it as it is. Jailbreaking an iphone was the same, was fun at first but along time cydia got my iphone very unstable and prone to crashes.
Then my first venture to Android phones started with Oneplus One, on which after Cyanogen stop their development I went into Oxygen, which was very horrible (I don't know about the later versions though).
Then stumbled into Slimroms and Lineage OS on which for a year or two got them installed with root enabled. The only thing that really helps to get the device pleasant to use is adblocking (ad away). I've also used Magisk, tried different modules in it, but I don't feel any difference. What I like about magisk is that it can hide root to root sensitive apps (like banking apps).
Nevertheless, I've tried different root apps, like firewall, DNS forwarding, VPN, automation, cleaners and boosters. None of them really caught my interest for a long time, as for example, for boosters OPO is already too powerful for 3DMark (Ice Storm). Well other benchmark were not compatible with OPO since as far as I'm concerned it's 32 bit processor under Android 8.1.0.
Trimming down the OS is not too useful as well, since Lineage is already sporting barebone android without any bloat at all. I've even tried MicroG Lineage, but a lot of apps don't work well since they require proper Google services running. I got my OPO startup logo change to my personal logo (changed logo.bin), and it looks neat. But after that nothing else interest me. Backup apps? Titanium backup? I already got TWRP which will backup everything.
For gaming, I did use sixaxis, but then I bought myself a bluetooth gamepad. Probably tincore should be useful for gaming, but I didn't try it yet. I mostly play emulators anyway and they supported the gamepad out of the box, so tincore will be pretty much pointless.
I'm now on Oneplus One, with TWRP, combined with Android go settings (https://www.xda-developers.com/android-oreo-android-go-low-ram-patcher/). It's blazing fast and it's my daily driver currently. I got a spare Mi A1 with Android Pie and Mi 4A with Nougat. Probably will switch to Mi A1 and use my OPO for gaming on the go and experiments later (such as this thread). I still love my Oneplus One, as it's a very capable device even today without too much bells and whistles and unnecessary features.
Well, that's my intro on my experience on rooting. Here're the questions :
1. Is there any point for rooting, specially for casual users/non power users/daily use today? And for this matter custom roms?
2. If yes, what root apps do you use regularly?
3. What magisk modules do you actually use intensively and really change your android experience?
4. What else do I need to know?
Thank you.

Answers to your questions
stubbe said:
I've went back and forth rooting my device started with my Galaxy tablet device I own back years ago (I use iphone back then). See my signature.
It was fun experimenting with root, but not necessarily useful. After awhile, I flash back stock rom into it and just use it as it is. Jailbreaking an iphone was the same, was fun at first but along time cydia got my iphone very unstable and prone to crashes.
Then my first venture to Android phones started with Oneplus One, on which after Cyanogen stop their development I went into Oxygen, which was very horrible (I don't know about the later versions though).
Then stumbled into Slimroms and Lineage OS on which for a year or two got them installed with root enabled. The only thing that really helps to get the device pleasant to use is adblocking (ad away). I've also used Magisk, tried different modules in it, but I don't feel any difference. What I like about magisk is that it can hide root to root sensitive apps (like banking apps).
Nevertheless, I've tried different root apps, like firewall, DNS forwarding, VPN, automation, cleaners and boosters. None of them really caught my interest for a long time, as for example, for boosters OPO is already too powerful for 3DMark (Ice Storm). Well other benchmark were not compatible with OPO since as far as I'm concerned it's 32 bit processor under Android 8.1.0.
Trimming down the OS is not too useful as well, since Lineage is already sporting barebone android without any bloat at all. I've even tried MicroG Lineage, but a lot of apps don't work well since they require proper Google services running. I got my OPO startup logo change to my personal logo (changed logo.bin), and it looks neat. But after that nothing else interest me. Backup apps? Titanium backup? I already got TWRP which will backup everything.
For gaming, I did use sixaxis, but then I bought myself a bluetooth gamepad. Probably tincore should be useful for gaming, but I didn't try it yet. I mostly play emulators anyway and they supported the gamepad out of the box, so tincore will be pretty much pointless.
I'm now on Oneplus One, with TWRP, combined with Android go settings (https://www.xda-developers.com/android-oreo-android-go-low-ram-patcher/). It's blazing fast and it's my daily driver currently. I got a spare Mi A1 with Android Pie and Mi 4A with Nougat. Probably will switch to Mi A1 and use my OPO for gaming on the go and experiments later (such as this thread). I still love my Oneplus One, as it's a very capable device even today without too much bells and whistles and unnecessary features.
Well, that's my intro on my experience on rooting. Here're the questions :
1. Is there any point for rooting, specially for casual users/non power users/daily use today? And for this matter custom roms?
2. If yes, what root apps do you use regularly?
3. What magisk modules do you actually use intensively and really change your android experience?
4. What else do I need to know?
Thank you.
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1:yes for example lineage and twrp
2:twrp,lucky patcher,setcpu,live boot and root explorer
3:none really
4: be careful flashing a custom rom one wrong move will brick your android

jkalter11 said:
1:yes for example lineage and twrp
2:twrp,lucky patcher,setcpu,live boot and root explorer
3:none really
4: be careful flashing a custom rom one wrong move will brick your android
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1. I AM using Lineage. What I'm asking is : is there any point of enabling root in Lineage for daily use?
2. So nothing that actually helps your daily use, the fact that all those tools are actually help you with root, instead of helping you to utilize the root. IIRC lucky**** wasn't allowed to be discussed in this forum BTW. I did use it back then, but merely for ad blocking. It's effective to those ads that adaway couldn't handle.
3. That's my point.
4. Thank you Captain Obvious.
I probably should rephrase the questions :
Is there any real magisk enthusiast can point out the benefits of using the modules for daily use, actually? I'm not bashing Magisk, in fact I'm interested in using it again, but have no idea for what.
Yes I know if it doesn't do me anything, nor do I feel need it, I shouldn't use it. But since I already know my way on rooting (and magisk), I should at least try utilizing it to its full potential, if it would help me in everyday tasks. Probably I'm missing something or such. That's is what this thread is about.

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Theme Request?

I have searched multiple sites for quite some time now and I can't find anything relating in the slightest to the type of theme I want...
I really would like to have a Toonami Theme for my Amaze 4G, even if one is created...would I need to be rooted, because I have yet to root my phone as I have no experience and honestly a bit nervous using my only phone to do my first root...
Amaze root is easy
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jsekits said:
I have searched multiple sites for quite some time now and I can't find anything relating in the slightest to the type of theme I want...
I really would like to have a Toonami Theme for my Amaze 4G, even if one is created...would I need to be rooted, because I have yet to root my phone as I have no experience and honestly a bit nervous using my only phone to do my first root...
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Example of what this toonami theme should look like?
I really want to do the root, I just get nervous since it's my only phone. As far as how it would look, I'll post some pictures when I get home from work tonight. All I really have are some wallpapers/random pics and the Windows version of the Toonami font.
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using xda app-developers app
If you just want root there is very little if any risk. Simply download hasoon2000's toolkit and let it do all the work. It's a great tool it takes all the guess work out of unlocking the true potential of your phone.
I might just do that this week on a day off. What benefits would I be looking at? Once I get another phone on the side, I'll be more than ready to overclock and really push this thing. I just really want to learn more about what I can truly push Android to do. (Going to buy Raspberry Pi and/or ODROID-X soon too)
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Here are a few pictures for ideas.
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- Tom
-Tom (Deep Space Bass)
- Sara (AI Assistant)
- Toonami Subatomic Font
- Absolution (Tom's Space Ship)
There are a few popular images. If anything else is needed, feel free to ask, I will be more than happy to provide anything I can.
If someone gets a good theme going, I'd also appreciate it! I'll do my best to help out with some custom notifications and ringtones
headsupsevenup said:
If someone gets a good theme going, I'd also appreciate it! I'll do my best to help out with some custom notifications and ringtones
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I'll work on the same if it helps as well. I still don't get how there isn't a Toonami theme somewhere on the web yet...
What would really be cool is if there was a way to modify any of the assistant programs (Iris (Siri), Skyvi, etc...to have Sara's voice...would be absolutely awesome lol.
Are you looking for a Sense skin or a full out theme? If it is a Sense Skin you do not need root to apply it. Do you have the latest release of ICS with Sense 3.6?
If you do want a whole theme, and root let me know which ROM you decide on because I have to theme according to the ROM.
rachelm920 said:
Are you looking for a Sense skin or a full out theme? If it is a Sense Skin you do not need root to apply it. Do you have the latest release of ICS with Sense 3.6?
If you do want a whole theme, and root let me know which ROM you decide on because I have to theme according to the ROM.
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As of now, I have ICS 4.0.3, and Sense 3.6...I have never actually rooted a phone though, so 1. I don't know how, and 2. As much as I do want to root...it makes me a little nervous using my only phone as my guinea pig since I have no experience. What is the easiest/most stable root for the Amaze if I just want to optimize/delete T-Mobile bloatware/have full customization options?
Sorry for all of the questions...I just want to make sure I do this right.
jsekits said:
As of now, I have ICS 4.0.3, and Sense 3.6...I have never actually rooted a phone though, so 1. I don't know how, and 2. As much as I do want to root...it makes me a little nervous using my only phone as my guinea pig since I have no experience. What is the easiest/most stable root for the Amaze if I just want to optimize/delete T-Mobile bloatware/have full customization options?
Sorry for all of the questions...I just want to make sure I do this right.
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Grab hasoons tool from the dev section and follow the boxes by their labelled numbers.
1. Unlock your bootloader
2. Flash a custom recovery
3. Root
The tool has all the necessary files you need to get all of this done, if you need help otherwise, post right here and well we'll help you, .
sent from a galaxy you'll never see.
2 last questions before I do the root I suppose:
1. Best way to backup in case something happens to go awry?
2. Best ROMs for the Amaze 4G...I prefer a balance between performance/longevity because I usually have to use my phone quite a bit throughout the day but I still want to be able to handle the higher-end games and such (Modern Combat 3, N.O.V.A. 3, etc.)
~By the way, thanks so much for the extra help. I really am trying to learn all of this as fast as I can.~
jsekits said:
2 last questions before I do the root I suppose:
1. Best way to backup in case something happens to go awry?
2. Best ROMs for the Amaze 4G...I prefer a balance between performance/longevity because I usually have to use my phone quite a bit throughout the day but I still want to be able to handle the higher-end games and such (Modern Combat 3, N.O.V.A. 3, etc.)
~By the way, thanks so much for the extra help. I really am trying to learn all of this as fast as I can.~
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Well if you want to keep the standard T-mobile ROM and just remove bloat you can do that after rooting. That's what I did with my husband's phone because he didn't like any of the custom ROMs I put on there LOL. The rooting is really simple and just involves plugging your phone into your computer via USB and letting the tool do the rest.
If you do choose to go and flash another ROM there are multiple backup apps in the Google play store that are free. I like mybackup Root. It re-installs all your games and their data, so if you beat certain levels etc. it leaves all that info.
If you are looking to stay with sense and flash a new ROM I would say go with either one of the Energy ROMs they are really stable and all the bloatware is removed for you. There's two different ones in the development section depending on which theme you like better. I am currently running Jellybean Fusion on mine, but that ROM has sense completely removed. It is all really up to what you prefer. That's what I love about Android
You can also do a general backup of your current setup/rom, data, etc using the custom recovery you'll be installing.
Well...here is where I am now. I unlocked the bootloader via Hasoon2000's toolkit. But, when I try to flash recovery via the toolkit, it takes me to the command prompt and hangs at <waiting for device>...I have tried this around 10 times now and it has the same result...what do I do? All I have managed to do was a factory reset/unlock bootloader... >___>
jsekits said:
Well...here is where I am now. I unlocked the bootloader via Hasoon2000's toolkit. But, when I try to flash recovery via the toolkit, it takes me to the command prompt and hangs at <waiting for device>...I have tried this around 10 times now and it has the same result...what do I do? All I have managed to do was a factory reset/unlock bootloader... >___>
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Try unplugging and plugging back in.
Sent from my beach themed Amaze
Yeah, tried that. Multiple times. I have tried re-doing the whole process start-to-finish, still nothing. Is there another way to root?
If I recall correctly when I rooted last time around I had a similar problem, so I moved the folders and toolkit to my C drive directory instead of being in the subfolder and it worked.
Check out this post
I'll try that this evening when I get home from work then. The toolkit comes with 2 recovery options...4ext or TWRP...which one do I use?

List of ROMS that restore the Tablet UI

Whenever I'm finally able to get my hands on a N10, the first thing I'm going to do is root it and put on a custom ROM that gets rid of that ridiculous Phablet UI. For those of you who have been flashing ROMS on this device, what other ROMS besides Paranoid Android have successfully restored the original Tablet UI? It'd be handy to have a list here for others who are wondering the same thing. It's kind of hard to tell on some of them, especially if they are nightly-based ROMs, which usually don't include a changelog or list of features, and for some reason screenshots in the OP are always lacking.
Also, of the ones with the ability to switch the UI, which ones seem to be the most stable in tablet UI mode?
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Paranoid Android
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MaDoCo ROM
This ROM doesn't fully bring back the original UI, but does allow the user to move buttons to the left and right of the bar for easy reach. As you can see in the image below, certain buttons can be moved to whichever side of the screen you like. Mix and match them, or even move them all to the opposite side depending whether you're a lefty or a righty!
Aokp is my favourite ROM of all and had the option to enable tablet ui on their previous 4.1.2. builds. I expect them to implement the option on 4.2.1. soon, and I of course expect them to create builds for the nexus 10 too.
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I don't see many ROMs supporting the soon-to-be-deprecated old tablet UI... and quite frankly, after using it a bit, the new UI is not bad at all...
I'm definitely keeping my eye out for an AOKP ROM for the N10. I used it on both my Galaxy Nexus and XOOM and it was one of my favorites (Currently, I'm using CNA, but that's about to change because he's way too unreliable, and his updates take longer than Verizon sometimes, which kind of defeats one of the purposes for using a custom ROM.)
And Craig, whatever floats your boat. My issue isn't necessarily with the fact that they are moving the UI around, my issue is with the fact that they are forcing change on people who prefer the old UI. Some of us realize how unique and efficient it is, and would like to have the choice to continue to use it.
arrtoodeetoo said:
I'm definitely keeping my eye out for an AOKP ROM for the N10. I used it on both my Galaxy Nexus and XOOM and it was one of my favorites (Currently, I'm using CNA, but that's about to change because he's way too unreliable, and his updates take longer than Verizon sometimes, which kind of defeats one of the purposes for using a custom ROM.)
And Craig, whatever floats your boat. My issue isn't necessarily with the fact that they are moving the UI around, my issue is with the fact that they are forcing change on people who prefer the old UI. Some of us realize how unique and efficient it is, and would like to have the choice to continue to use it.
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Don't get me wrong... I understand that different people have different opinions and I'm not trying to force you to change your opinion... I merely stated that even though the old tablet UI still works with Android 4.2, it is no longer officially supported by Google and will likely be deprecated in a future release... so the number of ROMs supporting the old tablet UI will be considerably small... I just said give it a chance... that said, I leave it to you to make up your own mind!
AOKP is available for the Nexus 10, but it does not have the old tablet UI yet...
arrtoodeetoo said:
I'm definitely keeping my eye out for an AOKP ROM for the N10. I used it on both my Galaxy Nexus and XOOM and it was one of my favorites (Currently, I'm using CNA, but that's about to change because he's way too unreliable, and his updates take longer than Verizon sometimes, which kind of defeats one of the purposes for using a custom ROM.)
And Craig, whatever floats your boat. My issue isn't necessarily with the fact that they are moving the UI around, my issue is with the fact that they are forcing change on people who prefer the old UI. Some of us realize how unique and efficient it is, and would like to have the choice to continue to use it.
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There is an unofficial port done for the N10 right here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2013361
Been running it for a few hours, and a few items are missing but nothing too major. They are working on getting those missing features back. I'm hoping the N10 because an officially supported device for the team.
techenigma said:
There is an unofficial port done for the N10 right here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2013361
Been running it for a few hours, and a few items are missing but nothing too major. They are working on getting those missing features back. I'm hoping the N10 because an officially supported device for the team.
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Just to clarify, it's not a port... it's an unofficial build until it gets officially integrated...
Just my opinion , but I suggest people get used to the new UI , it is just like anything else, companies evolve , and not everyone likes it ..
Car companies change paint colors, dash packages, and options.
PC companies change cases, keyboards monitors and mice.
At some point you are just going to have to grow up and move on.
If a dev wants to build a ROM because he/she likes the old UI then that is awesome, but if it was me, the first person that begged for it, would make me NOT want to do it .
You could always learn to do it yourself ...
(and yes I do know how to do it myself, because I learned, not that I even want the old UI anymore)
personally i love the new ui
I liked Tablet UI mainly because I could see what time it was and access notifications from within fullscreen apps. But now that stuff is put on the top bar, which gets hidden on fullscreen apps.
Updated the OP to add MoDoCo ROM to the list. This ROM doesn't bring back the full UI, but gives the user control over specific softkey placement on the navigation bar, which is something Google should have done in the first place when they decided to change stuff up. The biggest complaint people have with the new UI is that the buttons you use the most are in the center of the screen away from the thumbs. Sucks for people like me who have short thumbs. The MoDoCo solution is perfectly acceptable for me and may even be preferred by left handed users. :good:
My ROM now has a mod to move the navi button to the left... still a mod zip until I learn to code it to be a configurable option!
craigacgomez said:
My ROM now has a mod to move the navi button to the left... still a mod zip until I learn to code it to be a configurable option!
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Didn't you say that your Roms will never ever have it?
beerope said:
Didn't you say that your Roms will never ever have it?
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I meant the old tablet UI... I simply have a mod to move the navi buttons... status bar is still on the top... it's still the so called "phablet" UI...

using kitchen in I-9500 need tips

Hi everybody!
Im from Argentina, sorry if my english isn`t the best.
Saying that, im trying to use kitchen to make a simple rom for my forum in argentina. no one there knows about it..
And is my first samsung ever, before i had HOX, atrix, rzr hd... so im not familiar with some stuff like knox, the archive hidden and so...
My first project trys to run up form an FW, the ins 4.4, but i get stuck and change it for a nand of russian FW...
At that point i cuold use the system.ext4.tar.a just taking out the .a
I worked with that in the kitchen and im worry if i reput the worked system inside the nand something goes wrong, sadlly i cant afford to loose this phone cause of its price...
i was searching a lot and reading very hard this pasts weeks but i cant find any guides to cook a little rom so any help is wellcome
Ty for reading this.
Augusto.
Please define a real question. Right now I have an answer that is just some information. no real specific answers
Since the only thing you need to target is the system folder and the kernel Knox isn't even coming close, this also counts for the hidden partition. unless you want to make an odin rom.. but since you use the kitchen you probably don't want to use it.
My advise, take a look at other touchwiz custom roms, and see how they did it. There is no reason you would brick your device by flashing a valid system with CWM (which is less 'aggressive' then odin 1:1 write), if you don't trust it, first try using a zip from some other rom and make some customizations inside it.
If you are an actual developer, read this, although I think you can't handle the truth :silly:
The biggest thing that you will explore in your journey to touchwiz when you've made ROMS for HTC is that
a. Samsung has really easy flashing methods without risking a brick so fast. (compared to HTC it feels unbrickable), this is really the best thing about Samsung (When using the S series, Note series suck as well)
b. Samsung is the absolute world #1 in writing terrible firmware for relatively good hardware. (wasted space, sad work arounds, strange daemons, infected by many unknown things such as NSA crap)
c. Samsung absolutely loves to pretend their fail stock rom is great (which is what the average android user (without developing knowledge) would think), although they know it actually sucks donkey balls
(i can continue until 'f' or 'g' but I think you get the point)
Just letting you know that this extra partitions are not required, If you don't want to deal with either Knox or the hidden partition or w/e bull**** touchwiz roms come with, just use a rom base that actually is still Android, like an AOSP based ROM. which does not require many weird ways
Some people may be very angry when reading this but it's the truth, the truth of a South Korean company that makes good hardware but always finds a way to screw up their good hardware with terrible firmware writing (not only phones also smarttv etc).
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Please define a real question. Right now I have an answer that is just some information. no real specific answers
Since the only thing you need to target is the system folder and the kernel Knox isn't even coming close, this also counts for the hidden partition. unless you want to make an odin rom.. but since you use the kitchen you probably don't want to use it.
My advise, take a look at other touchwiz custom roms, and see how they did it. There is no reason you would brick your device by flashing a valid system with CWM (which is less 'aggressive' then odin 1:1 write), if you don't trust it, first try using a zip from some other rom and make some customizations inside it.
If you are an actual developer, read this, although I think you can't handle the truth :silly:
The biggest thing that you will explore in your journey to touchwiz when you've made ROMS for HTC is that
a. Samsung has really easy flashing methods without risking a brick so fast. (compared to HTC it feels unbrickable), this is really the best thing about Samsung (When using the S series, Note series suck as well)
b. Samsung is the absolute world #1 in writing terrible firmware for relatively good hardware. (wasted space, sad work arounds, strange daemons, infected by many unknown things such as NSA crap)
c. Samsung absolutely loves to pretend their fail stock rom is great (which is what the average android user (without developing knowledge) would think), although they know it actually sucks donkey balls
(i can continue until 'f' or 'g' but I think you get the point)
Just letting you know that this extra partitions are not required, If you don't want to deal with either Knox or the hidden partition or w/e bull**** touchwiz roms come with, just use a rom base that actually is still Android, like an AOSP based ROM. which does not require many weird ways
Some people may be very angry when reading this but it's the truth, the truth of a South Korean company that makes good hardware but always finds a way to screw up their good hardware with terrible firmware writing (not only phones also smarttv etc).
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Ok u r wright there r no questions in my statement.
I was looking for tips as u just did...
Now a real quest can i use this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2549357 to de knox de s4 i9500 cause i wolud love to start from a FW and im kind of lost with hidden partition. I dont even know what it is...
its been an year since i cooked with the kitchen, Vipers are really great for HOX and it doesnt need my hand at all... so im rusty a little bit and scearish (?)...

If you're tired, annoyed or aggravated with O roms, root, or TWRP read here:

Guys I bought this device when it first came out, never did I ever think there would be zero dev interest in the device, or perhaps it would be better to state that the reason there isn't much in the way of dev interest is because Huawei has this device locked down with EMUI and it appears no one can break through. For those who don't need root then this doesn't really matter, but most of my apps do require root. My final solution was to forget the Huawei device and I bought what I believe is the most powerful device on the market today and I've already rooted it and I'm flying along. That device is the Asus Rog Phone 2, you might want to take a look at this and then decide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wwe5OW_jPE
I wish all of you the very best but I had enough of Huawei. To be fair I don't think the problem is all about Huawei, a big part of it is the clown in the White House.
I'm out of here, Krissy
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Lol @ White House clown.
Interesting review you linked, I'm going to do some more research into the phone, although I'm far from a gamer.
It would be good if you posted your thoughts after using it for a few weeks.
Good luck, I hope you still have the same enthusiasm after getting used to it.
Take a look here.
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Lol @ White House clown.
Interesting review you linked, I'm going to do some more research into the phone, although I'm far from a gamer.
It would be good if you posted your thoughts after using it for a few weeks.
Good luck, I hope you still have the same enthusiasm after getting used to it.
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I'm not a gamer either, my philosophy however is that gaming devices are more reliable and sturdy because of the punishment they take from actual gamer's. My thought is it if holds up for a gamer then it should be no problem for me. So far this phone has proven me correct. One of the specs that blows me away is that there is a setting to set the device to 240 refresh, that's pretty darn quick. If you have any questions I'm open to answering them, that's how impressed I am with this puppy
Every phone I owned for the last 10 years was rooted. I bought the P30 Pro knowing I couldn't and wouldn't root, and I've never been happier.
"All your apps" require root? Your phone sounds FUN! Seriously, no games? No social media? I agree, a lot of apps need root, all of which are important, if you're rooted. Ad-block is the main reason for rooting, but you can't just have ad-block, you need Magisk manager, obviously. And twrp manager, because you need twrp to flash your root. Root browser, for those times you need to fix things you screwed up by being rooted. Greenify, to act as a placebo, because now you're rooted you can't be sure things work as they should. Busy Box for... erm, well nobody really knows what that's for. So yeah that's at least 6 apps. For one thing.
Once I realised you can block ads using the private DNS feature in Android 10, all of the above was pointless.
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Every phone I owned for the last 10 years was rooted. I bought the P30 Pro knowing I couldn't and wouldn't root, and I've never been happier.
Once I realised you can block ads using the private DNS feature in Android 10, all of the above was pointless.
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100% completely agree with you. Have rooted all my android phones in the last 10 years and bought P30 Pro knowing couldn't root it. I use adguard private DNS to block ads and then found out can used YouTube vanced on non rooted phones by simply installing the apk. After thinking could never live without root I'm finding it particularly easy at the moment!
I've rooted every Android phone I've ever had, except my Honor 9, but don't really feel the need for the P30 Pro. Sure there are apps I can't use or install because I'm not rooted but that doesn't detract from an amazing phone. Those [required root ] apps I can probably do without anyway.
Would you run Linux as root permanently? Really?
The choice of rooting or not rooting should be a decision made by the owner of the device, not by the manufacturer. Android is marketed as open source; the practice of not allowing bootloader unlocking defeats that entirely.
Would you buy a car to then be told you're not allowed to modify it in any way? Really?
I am also disappointed but these days there is less and less reason for root. Right not, there are only three features I miss without root:
1. No Titanium Backup, so no easy way to do a full backup and make sure everything is backed up and can be restored
2. No way to limit battery charge (so it doesnt go up to 100%)
3. No DNS adblock (VPN work around is the closest I can find but that seems like it would drain battery)
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The choice of rooting or not rooting should be a decision made by the owner of the device, not by the manufacturer. Android is marketed as open source; the practice of not allowing bootloader unlocking defeats that entirely.
Would you buy a car to then be told you're not allowed to modify it in any way? Really?
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Android is NOT "marketed as open source". Show me a commercial website where it is "marketed" as such.
Android IS open source for OEMs to adapt to their devices! You bought a piece of hardware from Huawei, with a compiled Android OS. You can get the source code for Android if you want, but it comes with no hardware and no guarantee.
And your car analogy is terrible. Imagine modifying your car's software... and then your tachometer doesn't work right, or your battery drains, or your car won't start... totally unacceptable. Yet you want to do that to your phone?
I want the option to do whatever I wish. It's really quite a simple concept
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I want the option to do whatever I wish. It's really quite a simple concept
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The closest analogy for the car example is remapping the ECU. Manufacturers go to great lengths to encrypt ECUs and prevent mapping - much like locking a bootloader.
A lot of car mappers have to physically solder wires to certain points on the ECU circuitboard to enable them to map and edit the ECU programming. I'm fairly certain that if you went to that extreme to root your phone you could manage it, but nobody wants root *that* much.
And if you own a car that no engine mapper fancies finding a way to map? You're SOL - much like you are with your P30 Pro.
I used to root, now I dont. I find the devices now do 99% of the things I need without root. The 1%? I can live without Titanium Backup.
I'm sure the Asus device is powerful, but a lot of the people here bought the P30 Pro because they wanted a P30 Pro, not a different phone. Thanks for the review, but it's like going on a VW forum and saying 'OMG guys, sell up and go buy this BMW - IT'S AMAZING' - we're here because we wanted the VW...
@Isis111
Now you've had your ROG 2 for a while how are you getting along with it?
Since this thread I've been following the ROG 2 forum but even though root is available there's not much development happening. I was initially very interested after you started this thread but now I'm not sure the ROG 2 is as good as you said.
So I'm interested what your thoughts are now.
Also, what version do you have, and have you been impressed enough to buy any accessories?
Cheers

Question Pixel 6 DeGoogle tips?

Did some reading and there are a few guides but not sure what might be best for this new Pixel6.
Whilst I wait for the ability to use a Google-Free ROM, is there an app or script or list of apps/services to disable etc that would work i can follow?
I'm kinda wanting to have a play with this phone but don't want it updating itself or tracking me...
I'm with you in this, impatiently waiting for Calyx/Graphene A12 and P6 support. Unfortunately, I don't think there's much we can do until then. Just restrict as many permissions as you can, don't sign in to too many things and use websites instead of apps when possible
I always stayed away from anything that is Chrome related.
I use Duckduckgo as my browser.
Brave is another...
axelmasok said:
Did some reading and there are a few guides but not sure what might be best for this new Pixel6.
Whilst I wait for the ability to use a Google-Free ROM, is there an app or script or list of apps/services to disable etc that would work i can follow?
I'm kinda wanting to have a play with this phone but don't want it updating itself or tracking me...
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As of now there r no custom roms for pixel 6 so inorder to degoogle u would have to extract the g apps from the factory firmware and then flash it that way but I've never done that myself
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Aulgreg38 said:
As of now there r no custom roms for pixel 6 so inorder to degoogle u would have to extract the g apps from the factory firmware and then flash it that way but I've never done that myself
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IT would be best to wait for a custom ROM to sideload
Yeah,uhumm..Me too want a Google phone without Google apps.Yes,uhumm also i want a stable OS without bugs and good performance, good battery life too.But not the way Google make the phone, the chip and HIS operating system.no, no,no i want to archive this any other way possible.Then U see this dude coming back with "I don't know what's happening, I have a lot of bugs and a lot of app crashing. My system is unstable. I don't want this phone.Copy his user name and wait..
Here are the apps I froze. I could probably freeze more but it's a good start i'd say. I didn't sign in to any google account. It's not perfect but that's temporary, patiently waiting for custom ROMs too
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Yep I guess we wait for the clean ROMS and such.
Thanks for sharing tomatot - I have done a bit of that already. Will check your list against mine
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Yep I guess we wait for the clean ROMS and such.
Thanks for sharing tomatot - I have done a bit of that already. Will check your list against mine
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Sure, let me know if I missed any other app that seems important to freeze.
I don't know if any of you realize this, but p6/p6p have first class support in aosp. Take 15 minutes to read the instructions and build it from source yourself.
I'm running a self built aosp12r14 on my p6p right now and even typing this message from it.
96carboard said:
I don't know if any of you realize this, but p6/p6p have first class support in aosp. Take 15 minutes to read the instructions and build it from source yourself.
I'm running a self built aosp12r14 on my p6p right now and even typing this message from it.
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It'd be nice if you'd share your build with the community. Is everything working including fingerprint scanner?
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It'd be nice if you'd share your build with the community. Is everything working including fingerprint scanner?
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1) My build wouldn't help you. Like I said, its for p6p, not the basic-p6 in here.
2) 15 minutes of reading is all it takes to figure out how to build it yourself. The security risk of using something built by someone you don't know doesn't justify it.
3) couldn't tell you about fingerprint sensors, biometric security isn't protected by anti-self-incrimination laws, so I would never use and recommend that nobody ever use it. You should only use knowledge-based security.
I guess we are lazy? Or an underestimated minority?
I'm wondering why an AOSP build isn't available already from some kind person, or even a walk through with comments and experiences from someone already on this planet? Nothing on Youtube either.
Or is it so easy people do it quietly and assume it's common knowledge.
You know they make phones without Google installed on them, right? They are called iPhones and are pretty popular too.
sic0048 said:
You know they make phones without Google installed on them, right? They are called iPhones and are pretty popular too.
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You realize that those are 100% closed source and locked and completely and utterly useless?
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You realize that those are 100% closed source and locked and completely and utterly useless?
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Yes, which is why I use only Android phones.
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Yes, which is why I use only Android phones.
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You can enjoy Android without enjoying Google bloat/spyware you know...
I think they are just joking with the iPhone jib so no need to overreact all.
I read up on source.android.com and it all looks well documented yes. But.
400G of free HDD space, 60GB+ of source to download, overnight compiling....
I've not done it before, let alone testing on a brand new phone...plus with 2 kids and a puppy and not much sleep...
If your in your 20s and have a couple of Pixel phones and lots of free time - have a go and let us know your experiences creating a ROM. If it works on your P6, I'll try it on mine
Those many GB is not that much these days. Not like anyone is using 9600 bps dialup any more. And overnight compiles are not that bad, not like you really need to watch it. Set it to go and go to bed.
Or if you have a faster computer, just give it an hour.
But I do hear you on the kids and dog getting in the way. I have 3 kids under 10 and a dog. Oh, I'm an accountant.
It's funny that people use Android and try to De-Google their phone.
What is even more hilarious is buying a phone actually made by Google themselves and trying to De-Goolge that same device

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