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@XDA-Developers: Great work guys :!: :!: :!: Keep on ruling :!: :!: :!:
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Does any1 ever thought about programming an answering-machine for the XDA :?: Or where do I find such a tool :?: Would be nice to have the missed calls directly on the XDA without using the Provider Mailbox (no costs for me to check the calls).
Sure, I know that this only may work if the XDA is connected to the network. :wink:
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The answering machine idea is kinda cool, but really probably wouldn't save much on system usage, at least in the US. When someone calls in and goes to voice mail, that call is free. When you call to check it, you pay for that. So...if the incoming call is answered and recorded by the device, then you will pay for that. Net result--same cost. Actually it could cost more, because you could retrieve multiple voice mails in one call, but each call in would cost you at least a minute.
Its about functionality
It is not so much about cost as about functionality. Think of all the fun stuff you could do if you could program your own voicemailbox. Use callerid, special voicemail dropbox functions, only let your best friends ring you normally and dump the rest to the voicemail....
The idea of selective calling is very good--but would not need a voice mail system on the XDA, since it could just pass on the "deny" command when the call comes in. This could be useful for those times you don't want to be disturbed unless it is critical. Of course, you could do fun things with your own voicemail like having funny outbound messages only for certain people. I used to have that on my landline PC-based voice mail using CID. Actually it occasionally had a business pupose as I could leave custom messages for clients. Since you can already record phone calls, it doesn't seem like it would be very difficult for a programmer to play a message and then start recording.
In the US, the voicemail systems use CID to allow you to return a call directly from voicemail, for example. Used to be that my carrier would send the CID with the voicemail notification SMS, which was handy, but they stopped now for some reason. How are things like that in Europe?
... So...if the incoming call is answered and recorded by the device, then you will pay for that. Net result--same cost. Actually it could cost more, because you could retrieve multiple voice mails in one call, but each call in would cost you at least a minute.
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When the XDA receives the call and records it like the mailbox of the provider it won't cost me a Cent. Only the caller has to pay. Like the answering machine at home.
That thing with "...only let your best friends ring you normally and dump the rest to the voicemail..." would be nice too. Like the little proggi CALLERID where you can attach different pictures to different callerid's.
Only the caller has to pay.
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In Germany you don't pay for incoming calls to your cell phone?
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Only the caller has to pay.
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In Germany you don't pay for incoming calls to your cell phone?
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YAP.
So what's to keep people from making a one-minute call just to say, "Call me back" and getting their calls free?
It's kinda amazing that this kind of software is not around (yet). Would be very cool to carry a pda+cellphone+answering_machine in one device. And it would save me the money my telco charges me for listening to my voicemails aswell!
Well Carlos
Well Carlos,
The caller pays the charge so it is never free. Actually in the UK, it does cost slightly more to call a mobile.
That's interesting to learn. Long ago when cellular was still analog here in the US and cost $0.35/minute, we had the option of having incoming caller pay services or not. The mobile user decided which to use. It was not very successful because of our antiquated phone systems compared to Europe's, and there were a number of ways to beat the system. All of that completely disappeared when Sprint PCS first launced at $75/1500 minutes and completely turned the cellular world upside-down.
I haven't seen any discussion of the main reason I would like this capability - to be able to listen to my messages while I'm on a plane. The answering machine idea wouldn't save me any money, but I'd love to be able to listen to messages when I'm out of range, in a bad building, or on a plane. I wish someone would develop this. I'd buy it.
Now that is finally a reason I can get behind. My travel schedule recently backed down to infrequent, but I don't know how many times I paid $2/minute to use an air phone in the last couple years, just to get my voice mail and make notes/tasks for call backs, etc.
Hear, hear.
There is another reason that I would like this. Every time someone leaves me a voice mail, T-Mobile sends me a SMS to tell me that. I only get so many SMS messages each month and I have to pay for them. If the bulk of my calls were received and recorded on the PDA, I wouldn't have this problem.
Another thing, sometimes I retrieve a voice mail and there's information in it that I have to take down. If I don't get it right, I can't go back and check the message again, unless I saved it, which I usually don't, and then it would cost me again to go back and listen to it again. I just like the idea of having the information locally, under my control. Then the fun things that could be done with caller ID and customized greetings would be icing on the cake.
Any programmers reading this? My son works for T-Mobile and he tells me that they are selling the PDA/phone like hotcakes. Now AT&T is selling it, too.
I'm 99% sure the voicemail notification SMS does NOT account against your allotment. Also, if you have GPRS, that gives you another 300 or 500 SMS messages per month.
I'm with you on the rest of it though.
Hi!
Just found something about the HP Jornada 928 Smartphone. It has an integrated answering machine.
Does anyone know if this is software or hardware?
Look at
http://h20015.www2.hp.com/en/document.jhtml?lc=en&docName=bpia2573
or
http://www.palmtopman.com/Pocket PC.htm
Interesting. That would be software, definitely. As usual, the Jornadas come with so much more bundled than most. I can't believe they're being dropped in favor of the crapPAQ.
So what would be the chances of being able to copy that program from the Jornada 928 and getting it to work on the XDA/T-Mobile?
Probably not high. I have tried to copy other extras off the Jornada 568 and I get a message saying that you cannot copy programs stored in ROM. So it's only possible if either the program also comes on the Jornada CD (worth a look) or someone knows how to get around the copy protection on the ROM.
I've looked at the list of software on the CD and it's not listed, but I don't have access to an actual CD. Anyone know how to copy this program from the 568 ROM?
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DCD/GC...or anyone else...
I've been reading over at engadget mobile ( http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/...-visual-voicemail-seep-through-verizons-pore/ )that verizon/sprint has visual voicemail in the works (specifically listed are some new LG/Blackberry phones).
Do you guys know anything about this for the 6800?
(iIm sure a lot depends on Verizon's side as far as setting up the infrastructure before it can be used by us...but It looks like theve started on that already).
Any education on the topic is appreciated as well!
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I've been using the Free Callwave for awhile now on Verizon. While not 100% the same, you do get text transcribed messages of the vocal message. It also sends you a WAV file of the message in email, which plays well on the 6800.
seeing as how the devices this feature are going to be initially available for are not windows based, I doubt we will see such a thing for the 6800 anytime soon
Alltel has it for their phones...
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Alltel has it for their phones...
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for their windows based phones?
Or are you referring to the voice2text service through Spinvox?
MrTek said:
I've been using the Free Callwave for awhile now on Verizon. While not 100% the same, you do get text transcribed messages of the vocal message. It also sends you a WAV file of the message in email, which plays well on the 6800.
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I went to their website and couldn't find a free version for mobile phones, was it one of those deals you get grandfathered into if you have the account long enough? If there is a secret link to get to it like AVG has, I would appreciate it if you could share
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BTC
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for their windows based phones?
Or are you referring to the voice2text service through Spinvox?
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Maybe thats what i meant... sorry. i just know the lady at the storew was pitching it too me.. i was paying half attention..
The Sprint Instinct has visual VM
I have it on Telus in Canada with my Titan, not sure if the US does it the same but it seerms to be outsourced to third party companies Telus uses spinvox...which i believe to be the same company that does it for the iphone. What u get is a email with transcribed text of your voicemail and a wav file with the voicemail as well as a text message with the same transcribed voicemail. I can't see them releasing an app specific to windows mobile just yet seeing how it is so generic at this point using just email and text.
The features are all selectable for instance (with Telus anyway) you can choose to:
Send the transcription and wav file to email or not
Send the transcription as text to your phone or not
Delete message from your voicemail once its been transcribed and sent or not
The benefits are reduced time checking voice mail as you can read the voicemail you want real quick, you can also archive your voicemail as you have it in a physical wav file. There may be other benefits as well. The transcription is pretty accururate for the most part however i your caller is talking fast, mumbling or mixes up their words the message can be pretty much useless, even though most of the message in this case gets transcribed correctly even one word transcribed incorrectly can have a total different meaning and be quite confusing.
The disadvantages, at least for spinvox seems to be buggy, I was getting duplicate messages deposited into my telus voicemail I called my carrier and they determined it to be an issue with the third party and transfered me to their technical support, they collected the info and described it as a known issue, meanwhile it is taking double the time to actually go through my physical voicemail and delete messages, the turn around time is 5 business days!
It's also expensive on Telus at least it is either 50 cents a message or $15 for unlimited.
There is another third party that does offer an app for windows mobile and they are called simulscribe, I have not tried them so I can not really provide any info.
Has anyone heard if this is available for the 6800? I heard it's on the new Omnia.
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I've been using the Free Callwave for awhile now on Verizon. While not 100% the same, you do get text transcribed messages of the vocal message. It also sends you a WAV file of the message in email, which plays well on the 6800.
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Is Callwave free? I could not find that on their website.
I will start by stating my goal: free sms. Yes I have read all the threads on it on this site and many more.
Here is the deal, I have unlimited data for 30$ with telus but text would costs me an extra 15$ per month. I have found a VOIP solution for sms (and talk but thats already settled), but I would still have to pay 5 cents per message and I am not sure it integrates seamlessly with the other apps). I have also found a java app that works with the ICQ servers and it works pretty well but I have to create a new address book for it and I don't want to do that, not only that but I have to open the app for every message.
Does anyone know a way of changing the server\address sms uses to change it for the ICQ info or someone who knows of an app that uses ICQ but is seamlessly integrated in other apps like contacts and outlook? (even then, outlook would not be a must, its mostly the contacts).
if this could be done, all I would need would be a reply adress to be set as my phone number and voila! unlimited texting would now be available.
So any thoughts on this?
oh and ps. I know of all the websites where you can send text messages and this is even worse than the java ICQ app.
pps. (and out of topic, I know) anyone in canada who wants a good voip provider with ssp info free and all that jazz and a 10000 minutes per week, check out brama telecom, 9.90$ per month with taxes and all.
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I will start by stating my goal: free sms. Yes I have read all the threads on it on this site and many more.
Here is the deal, I have unlimited data for 30$ with telus but text would costs me an extra 15$ per month. I have found a VOIP solution for sms (and talk but thats already settled), but I would still have to pay 5 cents per message and I am not sure it integrates seamlessly with the other apps). I have also found a java app that works with the ICQ servers and it works pretty well but I have to create a new address book for it and I don't want to do that, not only that but I have to open the app for every message.
Does anyone know a way of changing the server\address sms uses to change it for the ICQ info or someone who knows of an app that uses ICQ but is seamlessly integrated in other apps like contacts and outlook? (even then, outlook would not be a must, its mostly the contacts).
if this could be done, all I would need would be a reply adress to be set as my phone number and voila! unlimited texting would now be available.
So any thoughts on this?
oh and ps. I know of all the websites where you can send text messages and this is even worse than the java ICQ app.
pps. (and out of topic, I know) anyone in canada who wants a good voip provider with ssp info free and all that jazz and a 10000 minutes per week, check out brama telecom, 9.90$ per month with taxes and all.
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never thought about it or tried. What about using E-mail? I know vzw... it's like ##########@vztext.com... or something.
The e-mail solution def. works but the problem is that I would have to know each person's providor and I don't know how replying would work :s
Ideally it would be like the current VOIP where it just chagnes the adresses but everything else still works like if it was on the regular network.
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The e-mail solution def. works but the problem is that I would have to know each person's providor and I don't know how replying would work :s
Ideally it would be like the current VOIP where it just chagnes the adresses but everything else still works like if it was on the regular network.
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yeah. You would have them in your contacts with the ## as the e-mail address.
and how does replying work? what if someone sends me a message? I really like the whole threaded thing... does it go to my sms outbox or does it apprear as an actual e-mail?
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and how does replying work? what if someone sends me a message? I really like the whole threaded thing... does it go to my sms outbox or does it apprear as an actual e-mail?
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Being that you sent an e-mail... they will get it with a reply address as an e-mail. I believe e-mails are threaded by default. I could be wrong.
see that is waht I am trying to avoid, because then people are confused. I have many friends (and my mother... why oh why did I have to show her how to text) who like texting but are totaly clueless about anything to do with technology. Having this integrated on my end would mean that I would be doing all the tehcnical fiddling for free sms but people at the otehr end would not notice any difference. kind of like with the voip fowarding to my phone for free incoming calls, this way people just think they are calling me and have nothign to worry about.
Also by changing the servers used, it would be able to take advantage of the "send text message" option in the contacts menu.
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see that is waht I am trying to avoid, because then people are confused. I have many friends (and my mother... why oh why did I have to show her how to text) who like texting but are totaly clueless about anything to do with technology. Having this integrated on my end would mean that I would be doing all the tehcnical fiddling for free sms but people at the otehr end would not notice any difference. kind of like with the voip fowarding to my phone for free incoming calls, this way people just think they are calling me and have nothign to worry about.
Also by changing the servers used, it would be able to take advantage of the "send text message" option in the contacts menu.
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yeah. Not something I've tried. Maybe someone else can chime in.
well the person who created the voip sms app is probably the best qualified to pitch in on this, hopefully this thread catches his or her eye. Would you happen to know how created it so I can contact them on this?
Also, ICQ is already integrated in outlook on the pc but this is not the same thign as on the pc its just a toobar add-on.
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well the person who created the voip sms app is probably the best qualified to pitch in on this, hopefully this thread catches his or her eye. Would you happen to know how created it so I can contact them on this?
Also, ICQ is already integrated in outlook on the pc but this is not the same thign as on the pc its just a toobar add-on.
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Nope. I would say search the forums on here and on PPCGeeks.com. You might come accross his stuff.
well the creators of the VOIP sms for ppc and for smartphone were both on this forum and came up in my first search I knew I had seen their names around somehwere at some point. I sent them an invite to participate in this discussion, hopefully they can shed some light on this with their expertise.
anybody on this?
Sending SMS over Data
Yes I know this question might have been asked before, at least at some length. But I am taking it a step further
A long while ago I tended to use voipbuster.com and their corresponding mobile app to send texts to my friends in the UK and US for cheap. Lately their service has been none existant and no texts has been delivered and thus forcing me to look for a replacement.
But what good and decent "online" texting services are there?. I dont mind paying a small fee pr text in order to avoid apps or get "assured" delivery rather then getting them for free and they are either full of spam, or they wont make it to the recipient. Naturally it would be perfect if the company suggested has a full Android app.
I did take a look at FishText, but they have no android app so they are not really of use to me, until they develop one. Also tried Haywire from Android Market and well it didn't really work to the level of stability that I want :/
So what other companies are there out there that can fulfill my requirements?. ANd other good ideas or suggestions are naturally welcome as well.
Thanks in advance.
Viber works fine for me, both texts and calls, but the other person must have it installed too
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Viber works fine for me, both texts and calls, but the other person must have it installed too
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And thus it does not work for me :/. If it is required that the other person also has the app then its not a "Text message" sadly.
Perhaps I should have been more clear, but I am atually looking for a service that does not require the reciepients to have any special kind of app or software on their phones in order to recieve the messages
Been using an app called jelly sms, and after downloading the app it gives you the option to choose the sms carrier and have been using my cool sms as my sending option and the main advantage of my cool sms is after sending a text, in the app, if you then go on the web u can see the delivery report. It's saved me a tone texting to Africa, so can imagine, you will save more, sending to Europe. You have to topup though to get my cool sms credit, and you can also send texts online without using your phone. I must admit though the same app, is much better on the iPhone, as you get the delivery report in the app, nevertheless its a great and reliable way of sending.
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Been using an app called jelly sms
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That might actuallu do the trick. I am however more searching for a single service to sign up with / subscribe to rather then the massive list that Jelly SMS gives me. But if anyone can recommend any of the services listed inside Jelly then I am open ears.
But like i said I tried getting some credit for Voipbuster and it did work for some time but these days my messages are not getting through. Tried the Haywire app which isnt really working out either.
So I am looking for a service like FishText, but since they dont have an android app I cant use them..... And paying around 50 Cents for a text is just not appealing to me
Yes choose my cool sms
(Q) Hey guys does any one know more or less how to work google voice? And have you ever used it for international calls if so please help thanks in advance.
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(Q) Hey guys does any one know more or less how to work google voice? And have you ever used it for international calls if so please help thanks in advance.
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i've been using google voice for a few years now but have never used it to make an international call. i have seen them publish their international rates, which can be viewed on the web site version of google voice. i googled the terms, "google voice international rates" and found them published - https://www.google.com/voice/b/0/rates
also in the google voice application you can set the application to route all international calls from the phone through google voice hence having the call charge your google voice account at the international rate google voice offers.
thats a bunch of general information to answer your general questions. if you have a more specific question, let us know and we'll do our best to answer!
hope that helps!
I think you can use skype for international for free?
I have used it
I have been using Voice since the beginning and have used it many times to call internationally. My girlfriend calls home to Russia with it sometimes since the rates are better than Yahoo and it is easy to use the phone with the Voice app set to make international calls via GV. It is true that you can call for free with Skype as long as you are calling to another Skype device, but this is the same for GTalk, Yahoo, etc.
A note about adding credits (it has been a while since I last did this, so they might have fixed it), when you add credits, it takes a while for them to display via the app and via a web browser. I think even when I tried to call they had not posted right away and it took a few hours which sucks. I ended up getting double the credits bc I thought it didn't work the first time and did it again. So my advice is if you plan to use it someday, add the credits now so you will have them if you need them.
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I have been using Voice since the beginning and have used it many times to call internationally. My girlfriend calls home to Russia with it sometimes since the rates are better than Yahoo and it is easy to use the phone with the Voice app set to make international calls via GV. It is true that you can call for free with Skype as long as you are calling to another Skype device, but this is the same for GTalk, Yahoo, etc.
A note about adding credits (it has been a while since I last did this, so they might have fixed it), when you add credits, it takes a while for them to display via the app and via a web browser. I think even when I tried to call they had not posted right away and it took a few hours which sucks. I ended up getting double the credits bc I thought it didn't work the first time and did it again. So my advice is if you plan to use it someday, add the credits now so you will have them if you need them.
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very helpful advice. i know google has quite an advanced scheme to detect fraudulent transactions so their process can sometimes take a few hours to verify a legit transaction.
in addition to the comments on using skype/gtalk for free international chatting, if you're really into your google voice account and are at a computer, you should able to make phone calls out of your gmail account, using gchat which automatically routes through your google voice account.
i've only used this method to make and receive calls domestically, so i'm not sure how the international portion would work. maybe somebody has tried this method internationally and can post up their experience?
domestically, it has been very convenient if you're at your computer and sometimes calls your google voice number, it will ring in gtalk and you can answer directly there. makes it convenient to have one phone number ring everything.
hope that helps!
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Only Skype to Skype but yes.
Same for GTalk
If you try and call a regular LAN line or cell number via GTalk that is domestic, it is free (for now), but international calls still cost money and the rates vary. GTalk to GTalk voice is free. I don't think there is any way to call internationally totally free without the use of the same app on both ends or PCs being involved (correct me if I am wrong). I think if there was, it would rule the market. My girlfriend only uses it to call a cell phone or LAN line to tell them to get on Skype or one of the many other video chat apps they use. My dad has a MajicJack that he uses when he travels but even that is $20 a year (I think??).
I've been using Google voice visual voice mail for years. Any reason to switch to Verizon's VVM?
Thanks!
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Only if you have money to waste on an inferior product. That would be why.
Well that's not a very good answer, why not offer something more helpful as a reply. While I agree it may not be worth the money for some, it is for others. My answer is if you like what you have been using why change. Since I have not used Google Voice Visual Voicemail share some thoughts on what you like about it.
Google Voice will transcribe your vmail to text which is great for me. Sometimes I can't listen to my messages, but I can read them. I have found the GV transcription is not very good. I have used services that provide much better transcription, but those are not free like GV.
You can access your voice mails anytime on the Web. While transcription may not always be correct, you can keep all your clematis consolidated in one place.
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i've been using google voice for about a year now. transcripts are usually not accurate at all. but, its a free cloud based voicemail.
the transcripts are actually quite funny to read sometimes. if you can read like that.
Yes, for a free voicemail service GV is great for my needs. And as mentioned, sometimes can get a good giggle out of the transcribes. For me they are at least close enough where even if I can't listen, I at least get an idea of what the message subject is(my wife asking wtf I'm not home yet)
Honestly reason for my support gv is my sister passed away like 2 years ago, & my best friend a year ago. One day I had searched for there named and all there voice mail came up. Lol I know that is a morbid reason. But point is, it stored them that long, and was able to download them.
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What are some of the other services that offer visual voicemail like Google, that are paid but have better transcribing?
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What are some of the other services that offer visual voicemail like Google, that are paid but have better transcribing?
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I would also like this info, I was using a free one (can't recall the name) that i loved up to a year ago and they I guess went under. And i never understood how Google works. I just use Verizon's because it's simple.
Thanks for the replies. I just saw that Verizon's vvm was being added by a Dev to his rom and surmised there was a good reason. Not free and not better than Google vvm says otherwise (except that some companies might insist on it for work devices).
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While Google's transcription may not be accurate, it is enough for me to get the gist of the message in a quick format.
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I like Google Voice's transcript. It gives me something creative and funny to read.
I lived at my cabin for a couple years, no cell service for miles, but could wifi off a neighbors satellite internet service. Slow as heck, but GV transcription gave me enough info on voice mails to know if I had to make the trek down the mountain and make a call. Yes transcription is not perfect, but I can almost always figure it out. I don't pay for texting either, and GV is pretty limited in that regard but for the few times my kids text me instead of email I can get and respond, no mms though, and no short codes.
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I lived at my cabin for a couple years, no cell service for miles, but could wifi off a neighbors satellite internet service. Slow as heck, but GV transcription gave me enough info on voice mails to know if I had to make the trek down the mountain and make a call. Yes transcription is not perfect, but I can almost always figure it out. I don't pay for texting either, and GV is pretty limited in that regard but for the few times my kids text me instead of email I can get and respond, no mms though, and no short codes.
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I think this is a really good point, and the reason I have stuck with GV - I can still get messages even when I don't have VZW service (or, if I just am simply not near my phone). And, though I don't see myself leaving VZW right now, if I did, GV is portable. I wouldn't have to do anything but set up forwarding on my new service.
There have been times (not recently, it's hard to "misplace and forget" a phone this big) that I would go to work and leave my phone at home. No worries, I pull up GV and can see if I am missing anything - calls, texts, etc. I can also have different voicemails for different groups, that I can change on the fly (i.e. if I did forget my phone, I would change my favorites group message - girlfriend, maybe parents - to ask them to call my firm instead since I left my phone at home) right from my work comp.
The "only" reason I can think of to switch to VZW VVM is if there is something lacking with GV. If you are happy with it, I say no reason to switch.
Boy do I sound like a shill for GV or what?
Just to add a comment to an issue I experience using GV.
If someone forwarded me a voicemail from their inbox, GV will never receive it and it would be stuck in Verizon's VM. I had no way to get at it.
If there is a work around for this, please let me know. I just wanted to add my experience.