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HI,
realise the pocket pc software are quite expensive... Anyone want to share their license copy, games, utility etc. I guess all can benefit right?... Rather we all purchase on our own.
Or may be we can all chip in to buy.... We can use services like Paypal to remittance money to each other.
Me interested in the Age of Empires Gold Edition. Anyone got a full license one. Nyditot Virtual Display 3.01 ?...
Warezzzz
I'm just speaking for myself here...
I have no major moral objections against copying copyrighted software, but I can also see the point of software companies trying to make a buck. I even co-own a small software company that will be trying to make a buck soon. But please believe me when I say that this is not the reason I'm posting this message.
I would hate to see warez being traded on this system. I've seen what frequent warez trading does to the atmosphere of communities like ours. Before long, professional traders will post requests. People will offer to pay for stuff, warez ftp server addresses 'for-the-day' will be posted, etc. etc. etc.
There's plenty of good forums on Usenet that have plenty of (alt.binaries.)warez posted to them. They have much less good productive atmosphere to waste and they work well.
Omigosh...
Well I don't think warezing software is something terribly wrong (it's not a theft usually), but if somebody likes the software, he should buy it. However, nobody can expect a 18 year old czech student to spend 80 bucks for SSH client he uses once a week.
I think those who use software to make money (companies, managers etc...) should buy the software. Those who just "play" with software and install and deinstall applications 5 times a day can get a warez copy. But if I find a great piece of soft I want to keep (forever), I buy it.
(I don't buy software, I'm a poor student and the software fee doesn't repay itself).
And another thing... I would never trade software here - in public, in a tech forum with guest access...
If you can afford an XDA and the phone contracts that go with it, you can afford the software - most programs are only 10-15 USD. A few like AoE are more, and I can tell you worth the extra money.
Regards
Tim
Basically, i find it rather amusing the comments given. Anyway, my intention is not to spread the so called 'piracy'. The intention was to share files with your so called neighhours. If you think my sharing for example DVD - THe spider man to let the neighhour watch or use, then the whole world must be pracitising that, even your neighhouhood video store is spread 'piracy'. I mean people can always rent it and duplicate at their home right?......
Furthmore, forum is more less like a obtaining information, sharing etc. That's why I use the words like sharing. Wanna to charge those sharing information. If you think this kind actions is bad, I think this forum shall stop hacking the XDA stuff..
I got my new 02 XDA 64MB at US$500 only.... Spend so much $$$ on electronic stuff for what?........ Earniing money is not an easy task. and for you info only a few program is US$10/= Most are more that U$20/=. IF you get 10 how much will it be, and the money is only for 1 version. don;t forget the accessories thats comes with it. If you think u have extra $$$ to spend on this software. Share with it someone who is not as rich as u.
there is loads of free stuff out there if you want it a forum like this is brillant for info but there is a wide range of others out there
My two cents in what seems to become a long thread.
First to answer mac's orignal question. I can't help you (currently :lol: )
In response to XDA developer Peter Poelman's response I want to submit that in order to keep this forum alive we certainly don't need the professional traders.
As for software licensing. I have been/am on both sides. User and author. It's annoying if people just copy whatever they like, especially if they make a lot of money with it.
My justification so far has been. I use 'evaluation copies' for 2 or 3 weeks or so and if it is still in use I buy the software. Is it legal? Probably not? Is this wrong? Probably yes, but I can sleep at night.
We all invent 'our rules' for the world. If you want to be safe, stick with the rules. If not just be prepared to have your [email protected]# kicked every now and then.
Although I sympathise with the argument of being a student, etc etc, that doesn't justify it (nor do my own 'rules' do that). What would you charge someone with 5 children and being a single parent?
And most of the times there are alternatives. For instance in the windows space there is a lot of free software around and some of them are real jewels. If you are curious: www.nonags.com.
Industry responds with free software containing banners and adds, we all hate them, install cracks/patches to get rid of them. Wake up guys. They give it away for free and still we whine. (yes, I hate adds and banners to and I kill them whenever possible). I think we shouldn't whine about initiatives like Palladium if we copying everything we can get our hands on.
Overall my advise is: don't use THIS forum for conducting that behaviour and for the rest live and let live. In my opinion its a forum for undertanding the XDA and its technology. I don't even have one yet ( :evil: ) but I have learned a lot already. One could argue about some of the things tht could be done with the XDA (un-simlocking of accidently locked phones) but it's mainly discussing the device, software and accessoiries.
Being nosy is not a crime.
Having knowledge is not a crime.
But using knowledge could be a crime.
And even the first 2 can be a crime depending on where you live.
Pfffffffffft, I must be PMS'ing. Sorry people :wink:
Robert
I think games should be paid for....
but as far as tools etc goes I think it would be fair to follow the GPL...
You pay for what you make money with.
I'm a frequent visitor to alt.binaries....pocketpc and I've probaly downloaded 700mb or so in pocketpc warez since I bought my XDA...
I have an easynews account which archives newsgroup posts from the last 30 days.
That software I downloaded because I thought it looked interesting; not because it was there. Out of those god knows how many programs I have 12 programs that I keep on my xda at all times... these I have registered:
Battery Pack 2003 <<< really good
Resco Explorer 2003
Lextionary <<< prolly the best dictionary tool
Snails
Marble Worlds
Diamond Mine <<< addictive as hell
Speedball 2 << we love the Amiga !!
Pocket C64 <speaks for itself>
Dockware
Small menu <<< damn good btw
Rhinostats
Truefax
The others I played with for a while and then dumped because they were errr CRAP ? or there were other better alternatives (atleast in the power monitoring area)
Diamond mine I downloaded months ago... and only registered yesterday.
I dont believe in buying stuff I dont need.. and downloading them gives me more time to decide whither I'm going to keep it... or fire it onto a DVDRW and forget about it after a month.
I also have a wares copy of Autocad Studio Max 5 on my computer... $5k to buy in the shops...
most people dont learn this program at Uni (atleast the good ones anyways). Most of them pick up a copy when they are in their early teens and continue to learn with it till they master the techniques. After doing so they go to Uni and get the bit of paper... later on they get a job with a company which has bought a license to the application.
Autocad arent missing out on my license... I'd have never considering paying the $5,000 in the first place.
Some people say that 3D Animation is a craft. I've known people who have been 'learning' it for the past 7 years. Where would Autocad get its budding new business licenses if the 3D warez market dried up and only the large software houses could afford them?
Games are different, you cant make money from them.
I bought StarScape the other day for the PC.
http://www.moonpod.com/English/about_ss.php
download the demo and give it a go
I normaly run games in 1600x1200 or above... but the fact this runs in 640x480 makes no difference.
You might also want to check this site out for some more quality game play... and best of all they are free 8)
http://www.tierraentertainment.com/ (reworked kings Quest I&II)
http://www.back2roots.org/ (shtuff from eons ago)
games from the era of when gaming had gameplay, hand drawn graphics and not just a billion polygons fired at it.
Strange comment from a 3D artist.
software
hi mac
try bear share there is loads of software on there i dont think we should trade games on here i used to use another site for my nokia communicator and it started to trade software and now it gives very little free and has turned into a business venture about selling software and not the product which it was originally meant to help promote amongst fellow users
Well, we'll be relasing a game soon aswell and i would like to think that if people download the demo and they are happy with it, that they would then go on to buy the full version. Its not like the average pocket pc game costs a fortune.
The way I look at it is if people dont buy software, people will stop writing it, I have purchased many games/apps, and am glad i supported the writers of such software. As a result newer and better versions are released, i prime example is Battery Bar along with Journal Bar, fantastic bit of software.
Guys, theres a movement in the community to get rid of this site which sells access to pirated paid apps. Now, this isnt to promote the site, this is to get rid of it. Please go here and sign the petition. All the information is there. Support app developers who work hard to make our phones better by helping to get rid of these pirates.
http://bit.ly/bkKwaZ
Support your community!
Also, if you follow this link: http://twitter.com/Mini_Lee/status/20682622042 it will take you to the tweet i put out with the petition link directly in it. So if you're one of those people with thousands of followers on twitter, send it out!
Done, and tweeting it.
Signed - thank you to whoever started this petition!
Been following this on Twitter today. Retweeted protests, and just signed this. I'll be honest, I pirate a lot of stuff, but I wouldn't pirate from a hard working Android dev. If pirating Android apps grew, devs might be less inclined to develop good apps for Android.
OP updated with link to RT'able tweet link.
Kusotare, what do you intend to do with the results of the petition?
I checked, their domain is registered through GoDaddy and hidden by DomainsByProxy. I sent an e-mail to DomainsByProxy to see whether they actually respond to information about illegal activity. It has been my experience that such complaints to GoDaddy will go unanswered but e-mail is cheap so I hit them up too.
But in all honesty, this will be a minor hiccup, if it gets them taken down at all. The overall IP block is owned by Worldstream out of the Netherlands (according to the RIPE branch of IANA), although some tools report the actual location as Portugal. If you run a reverse IP lookup (try a good one like YouGetSignal), the web server at the same IP is also host to a bunch of Iranian spam and piracy blogs under the vatanblog.com domain, so my guess is whomever owns the server (which isn't going to be the same as those running the network where the IP block is managed) isn't going to be too worried about the results of a petition.
But I suppose it can't hurt to hit up Worldstream, so I've e-mailed them as well.
P.S. Phromik, speaking as a software developer who has been victimized by piracy, you're a hypocritical tool.
^ really no need for that last part, though I understand why you would say it.
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^ really no need for that last part, though I understand why you would say it.
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Really no need for him to roll in here and brag about his piracy, is there?
Fighting piracy is and will always be a losing battle, but when people are actually out there profiting from other people's hard work something needs to be done.
Signed and tweeted and facebooked. I will also follow suit and send emails to godaddy and Domainsbyproxy.
Except he's not bragging... he's being honest.
srqt said:
Fighting piracy is and will always be a losing battle, but when people are actually out there profiting from other people's hard work something needs to be done.
Signed and tweeted and facebooked. I will also follow suit and send emails to godaddy and Domainsbyproxy.
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GoDaddy are the domain registrant. The actual website is hosted on a dedicated server provided by worldstream.nl so you want to be contacting [email protected] as well as the Dutch anti-piracy outfit BREIN at [email protected]
It's interesting to note that the same dedicated server is being used to host several other warez sites including some pornography forums. I'm pretty sure neither the server provider or BREIN would be happy about these.
It's interesting to note that within the last 12 hours androidplayground has been taken offline. However I suspect this was done by the owner rather than any takedown notice. He has already set his twitter account to private and one of the last tweets he sent was about having a new server ready.
To Bad google isn't jumping on this. I mean you see his lame comment on nearly every app that comes out in the market.
What confuses me is why would somebody send him money to become a member knowing he/she is a thief in the first place.
The results of the petition will be sent to the domain registrar, the host and paypal in a three way attack. If all goes well, they'll lose their domain, hosting and ability to charge people through paypal simultaneously. I have already emailed all three of the companies to let them know about the petition.
So yes, while it may be a losing battle in the long run to fight piracy, at least we can do what we can. Signing a petition or firing off an email takes the same amount of time it does to write a post here, so why not help out?
Response from Worldstream:
Hi,
The website has been taken down earlier today.
Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
Dirk Vromans
Technical Engineer
Worldstream C.V.
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Although from one of the earlier posts it sounds like the site owner was already planning to move it anyway -- which is what I was getting at earlier. The best you can hope for is to just go chasing him around endlessly.
I saw the same crap over and over in the Palm Treo software world...
The new licensing system might help. =]
Phromik said:
...If pirating Android apps grew, devs might be less inclined to develop good apps for Android.
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Whatever....
Without defending what I consider to be a low-life, who spams every review on the Market, most pirates wouldn't really buy most products they steal, just as most people don't normally pirate stuff they genuinely want and like.
There are a ton of pirate sources for the iPhone, yet good developers do pretty well in the App store.
The only developers whining are the ones who have a crappy product and blame the nebulous evil of "piracy" for their lack of success.
This is outrageous!! Piracy should be free.
I mean that completely tongue-in-cheek, as I spend a LOT of money on android software. I admit I don't hate piracy in general, as a sort of try-before-you-buy system, but charging money for stolen goods is evil. These people are scum.
Former AndroidPlayground.net user
I used to use this site because I just assumed that they had an agreement with the developers. I couldn't even imagine the audacity it would take to charge people for pirated software.
One thing I do wonder, why do Android apps cost more than iPhone apps? This might be part of the reason people feel like they are being ripped off by the android developers and say, "screw you then".
NOT trying to justify it, but it is something to consider.
jswanstr said:
One thing I do wonder, why do Android apps cost more than iPhone apps? This might be part of the reason people feel like they are being ripped off by the android developers and say, "screw you then".
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I'm just guessing, but so far all data indicates that iPhone users seem to be significantly more willing to pay for apps. I'm hoping this changes as the Android becomes more mainstream.
I know alot of people are upset over having to wait on S-off, while watching other phones, like the newly released Nexus get unlocked fairly quickly.
Have you checked over at the Galaxy Nexus forums? One could easily get jealous that they already have the ability to flash undervolted kernels, new streamlined roms, radios, etc.
I consider the HTC Rezound cream of the crop, and would love to tweak it out before Christmas.
Well, I say we as a whole contact HTC and Verizon and let them know we are displeased with the current locking of our Rezound. I can understand the reason for locking, but what about other devices on the network? The Galaxy Nexus has been unlocked and rooted without any sort of hassle. This is causing those that are impatient to jump the HTC Rezound ship and head over to the nexus.
Those that havent jumped, are probably contemplating, that is including some devs i'm sure.
Earlier this year, Peter Chou, CEO of HTC states on Facebook and Twitter that they will no longer be locking the bootloaders on their 2011 and newer devices, yet somehow this was not the case for the Rezound.
If you would like to, contact Verizon and HTC and voice your opinion. While it may be futile, not voicing yourself surely wont help Maybe they will get tired of our complaints, and do something about it. HTC has to of felt a little burn with people going over to the Nexus already, so maybe they would love to keep that from happening more.
HTC's Twitter message about no longer locking bootloaders
HTC's Main Facebook Page on unlocking its 2011+ phones.
HTC's Facebook page about no longer locking bootloaders
For those that don't know, Verizon do have support forums, and here is a complaint topic regarding the HTC Rezound's locked bootloader, so voice yourself there too (please stay faithful to XDA, my intent is not to have you move to a different forum).
Daniel Mead CEO Verizon Wireless
[email protected]
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Peter Chou CEO HTC
[email protected]
Lotus Chan VP HTC
[email protected]
Mark Baker Senior Director Enterprise Business Unit Americas HTC
[email protected]
Maggie Cheng Public Relations HTC
[email protected]
Benita Tiongson USA Services Team HTC
[email protected]
John Wang Chief Marketing Officer HTC
[email protected]
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Larry Page CEO Google (have found his Google + page, but still looking for his email)
http://plus.google.com/106189723444098348646/posts
Eric E. Schmidt Executive Chairman Google
[email protected] (funny that a exec at Google uses yahoo still?)
Google Customer Support Phone Number
650-623-4000
If you do anything, whether its contact them via twiiter, Facebook wall, email, remember to be courteous and respectful. Let them know you are a unhappy consumer that loves the phone, but not in love with their locking it down like it is, and against what they promised earlier this year.
As a whole, we might get heard, and who knows, maybe Christmas will come early I'm aware that once I bought the HTC Rezound, that I was taking a gamble on how soon if at all S-off would come. It is my second smartphone, following my HTC Incredible, and with all the choices out there, I still come back to HTC.
Squeaky Wheel gets the grease.
XDA Member Serinety has reinstated their petition. Rather than me start one up, please refer to their thread to sign the petition, and still use this thread to contact Verizon, HTC, and Google to get them to give us some Bootloader freedom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20512114#post20512114
Petition update: Serinety's petition has been growing. Ive posted on a few forums other than ours. The petition is at over 100 signatures.
If you belong to any other android forums that would be a good place for this post, please let me know.
Also, if you know of any sites that we can get to help us publicize this petition and info, feel free to contact me.
I have even considered starting up a website regarding this, and calling it something like unlockmyrezound.com or something similiar. Let me know your thoughts!
Note: I'll add contact info as I find / get them. If you have information that you feel would help out this thread, please let me know.
Thanks for this post. I posted to the Facebook link you shared.
I'm in! I posted on HTC's Facebook wall last week and was told that it was up to Verizon, but that it was coming... Time to contact the rest!
I send them email. the HTC email got bounded back:
Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
Recipient address: [email protected]
Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
Diagnostic code: smtp;550 Relaying mail to [email protected] is not allowed
Remote system: dns;tyimss.htc.com (TCP|167.206.4.199|56419|220.128.71.150|25) (HTC ESMTP ready)
Recipient address: [email protected]
Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
Diagnostic code: smtp;550 Relaying mail to [email protected] is not allowed
Remote system: dns;tyimss.htc.com (TCP|167.206.4.199|56419|220.128.71.150|25) (HTC ESMTP ready)
We should blow up their Facebook page...
tryest said:
I send them email. the HTC email got bounded back:
Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
Recipient address: [email protected]
Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
Diagnostic code: smtp;550 Relaying mail to [email protected] is not allowed
Remote system: dns;tyimss.htc.com (TCP|167.206.4.199|56419|220.128.71.150|25) (HTC ESMTP ready)
Recipient address: [email protected]
Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address
Diagnostic code: smtp;550 Relaying mail to [email protected] is not allowed
Remote system: dns;tyimss.htc.com (TCP|167.206.4.199|56419|220.128.71.150|25) (HTC ESMTP ready)
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Thanks for the heads up. I'll have to see what has changed about thos email addresses, until then ill remove the hot links for those two.
texanaustinite said:
We should blow up their Facebook page...
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I have posted to the HTCUSA Facebook wall twice, each time receiving a polite "we feel your pain but that doesn't mean we're going to do anything about it" type response.
I am trying to be optimistic, thinking they'll unlock things after the ICS upgrade to which they're already committed.
For now, I enjoy temproot, and the Nexus does not appeal to me at all. I feel like we've got the best product out there, and that's good enough for me now.
Dumped down the interwebs from my HTC Rezound
I just posted my rant, but I was respectable (I think).
Agreed
hgoldner said:
I have posted to the HTCUSA Facebook wall twice, each time receiving a polite "we feel your pain but that doesn't mean we're going to do anything about it" type response.
I am trying to be optimistic, thinking they'll unlock things after the ICS upgrade to which they're already committed.
For now, I enjoy temproot, and the Nexus does not appeal to me at all. I feel like we've got the best product out there, and that's good enough for me now.
Dumped down the interwebs from my HTC Rezound
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I also feel that this is the best product out there right now.
I see you are also coming from the incredible. I still miss playing around with new roms like MIUI and CM7, undervolted kernels from Chat and Tiny, etc I have my deactivated Incredible on my desk (with a mod to turn off the radio but leave wifi on) and I still find that I play with it from time to time.
Temproot has made the wait less painful, and its been nice not having to worry about flashing new roms all the time. But my vacation from the flashing is over, i'm all ready to start again.
I've been pounding their phones, Facebooks and email for days now, my most recent post on HTC USA's Facebook was this morning, and in a bit more of an angry tone than the others. I said I was taking my Rezounds back, which I'm really not doing, because they went back on their word. I'm still sending emails out to people, and I just sent out an email to the CEO of Verizon....we'll see where this gets us.
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Evo4gLI said:
I've been pounding their phones, Facebooks and email for days now, my most recent post on HTC USA's Facebook was this morning, and in a bit more of an angry tone than the others. I said I was taking my Rezounds back, which I'm really not doing, because they went back on their word. I'm still sending emails out to people, and I just sent out an email to the CEO of Verizon....we'll see where this gets us.
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I like your enthisiasm. I read a post over on another forum where HTC said the reason they locked the phone was because of Google's request. I have no idea how valid that post was though, since it was the first i've heard of such a reason.
I hope more like you continue to contact Verizon and HTC.
Moved
Looks like this thread was moved from Development to General.
If anyone has any new email addresses or contact info regarding this s-off thread, feel free to let me know and I'll add it to the OP.
Thanks.
This a good productive post. Nice work
sent from my mom's basement
I also posted in htc Facebook page last week. hopefully the pain will end soon
Sent from my HTC Rezound using XDA premium.
When are we going to see s-off on the Rezound? You guys are losing valuable customers and developers to the lesser Nexus due to not being able to unlock it. Loosing those developers is going to cost you more customers the longer you wait. No one is patient these days.
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Is what I posted. They have to be aware they are loosing people like flies.
AtLemacks said:
Is what I posted. They have to be aware they are loosing people like flies.
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Yea I would think that they soon have to see the numbers of returns yesterday for people trading in their Rezounds to go to the Nexus. It's unfortunate, because I really don't know if there enough people who do what we do to make them change their stance. They may just view us as a drop in the bucket, but the more noise we make, the better our odds. BTW, I think it's also important to post on Verizon's FB and emails as well, not just HTC.
I started an online petition a few weeks ago but pulled it due to no interest. Lemme know and I will reactivate it
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using XDA App
It is Verizon locking down the phone if I recall correctly.
I posted on their facebook today about switching to the GNex because of the unlocked bootloader. Said i didn't understand why they were going to let verizon bully them around but let samsung bring out a device with such an easily unlocked bootloader...
I really like HTC's hardware, I just really hate sense. I want vanilla android...Since HTC won't sell me a rezound with stock GB or ICS, i have to have an unlocked bootloader to get it.
From VZW Support
I can't speak to how HTC phones are supposed to be configured, only how VZW phones are configured. Our phones are set up with software protocols that protect the operating system. Unlocking features expose the device to risk.
When I mentioned the Nexus being unlocked, there was no further response from them.
Cause right now i am having brand new 4 of 64 GB Asus transformer prime champage !!! just send me email [email protected] and it's yours tommorrow... no need to wait for amazon !!!
i would not buy from this man, as poor grammar skills are indicative of a bad sale
lol. spidey sense tingling.
what he says 'Cause right now i am having brand new 4 of 64 GB Asus transformer prime champage !!! just send me email [email protected] and it's yours tommorrow... no need to wait for amazon !!'
what we hear ' hi everyone, first time post in the forum but hey, its no problem, you'll all trust me and gladly part with your cash for some very expensive tech which will then probably not appear'
but what do i know. someone may pay up. fools and their money are soon parted.
Right. Go f yourself.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I727 using xda premium
Let me help you out new guy. Instead of offering a sale via email which is extremely unsafe why dont you range a pick up purchase at a nearby public location, like at McDonalds or shopping mall.
Holy crap you guys are quick to jump on this man. I'm in no way defending him or even claim to know him, but wow give the man a break!
He specifically stated on the thread itself that "if you live IN WESTMINSTER, CA". That in itself tells you that he's offering to sell this LOCALLY, hence offering his email so that anyone near him that's interested can contact him to meet him.
You are attacking the seller, why? It's true that buyers need to be careful who they buy their products from, but shouldn't a seller like the OP be careful as well? If he offers anything more than his email, wouldn't he be placing himself at risk?
Because of him offering the bare minimum information in order to arrange a meeting (at a public and safe location of course), I think this man is doing the right thing.
BTW, to the guy who responded about illiteracy. Westminster, CA has a HUGE Asian community, with a lot of them being ESL. I hope you're not so ignorant that you still assume everyone who lives in the US speaks English as their first language.
i am offering a contact information through email and we will meet in a public place, just have one left. thks for ur help tairen, you're the man
No problem
Some people here are quick to jump to conclusion, but they are good people. Next time try to give more details as to what you want to do and there won't be any misunderstandings!
Stick with eBay people, at least you can be covered by Paypal!
In 2012 Motorola announced she would upgrade our devices, Atrix and Photon, to Ice Cream Sandwich in Q3. As you all know, they have changed their stance, leaving us with an outdated version of Android to play with. Our devices can easily run even the last version of Android, Jelly Bean, so why the update was canceled for us?
With the Update My Moto! campaign, we are asking for a leak of what was been done before they canceled the update or a compatible Tegra 2 kernel for Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean. With these files, XDA developers can fix the problems themselves, while Motorola can make up for this mistake they made.
You can help us to achieve that. Share this campaign in your blog, social network, show it to your friends or file a BBB complaint. Let's grab Motorola's attention!
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In the wild
What blogs and websites wrote about this campaign so far?
Ubuntu-BR-SC: Insatisfeitos com a Motorola, usuários criam a campanha "Update My Moto";
Diário do Android: Motorola confirma o que já se sabia: o Atrix não receberá o Android 4.0 oficialmente;
Android Authority: Google, Motorola urged to leak Ice Cream Sandwich / Jelly Bean internal ROMs for Atrix 4G, Photon;
BR-Linux: usuários iniciam campanha para que Motorola mantenha compromisso de atualização do Android;
Talk Android: Developer starts ‘Update My Moto!’ campaign in effort to obtain Tegra 2 ICS drivers for Atrix 4G and Photon 4G;
Android Spin: Update My Moto!!!;
Android TV: Verärgerte Motorola-Kunden starten Online-Petition für Quellcode-Freigabe;
Geek On: Walka o Atrixa jeszcze nie została zakończona;
Android Headlines: Update my Moto! Google, and Motorola urged to “leak” internal ICS/Jelly Bean ROMs;
MIUI ROM: On they Facebook page;
Epinter's CM10 website;
Atrix Forums: Update My Moto - A Social Campaign to Bring us ICS;
Phandroid: Apple vs Samsung Jury Foreman Speaks Out, Moto RAZR i Smokes RAZR M In Battery Life, and More;
CNET: Android users outraged over Motorola's broken promise;
Gemind: Gemcast #049.
Help us to get it in the wild
You can help us to get the campaign in the wild. Do you know someone with a large followers count at Twitter? Ask him to RT the campaign! A friend of yours is a writer at a big website? Ask him to cover the campaign! You have 2 minutes free? Send a e-mail to big websites, asking them to talk about the campaign!
Gizmodo: tipbox [at] gizmodo [dot] com
Gizmodo Brasil: http://www.gizmodo.com.br/mande-sua-dica/
Techcrunch: tips [at] techcrunch [dot] com
The Next Web: http://thenextweb.com/tips/
OMG! Ubuntu!: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/tip/
Android Police: http://www.androidpolice.com/contact/
Android and Me: http://androidandme.com/contact/
Campaign Partners
You should also take a look at the Support My Moto campaign. While we are focusing on a viral and social approach, they are going for a BBB one, that could work as well.
Take a look there. Won't hurt you to file a complaint and i promise it will only take you about 2 minutes of your day
Contact details
You can reach me at this e-mail: julianfernandes AT ubuntu DOT com
You can also find me on Twitter and at our Ubuntu LoCo Team's blog, Ubuntu-BR-SC.
Thanks and credits
I wanna thank TheOnePom for paying for our domain name, the great guys at RamNode for offering us this great VPS for such a low price, Fishmoose for the campaign's name and, off course, everyone who gave suggestions, ideas and helped me out on the original thread!
UPDATE
Added some websites to the list
If you are a website owner and want to write about the campaign (or already did), let me know please
appreciate you doing this.
I hope you and the "support my moto campaign" work together since it sounds like you both share similar goals.
I actually like your campaign of "update" better than "suppport" since it gets to the point and doesnt make people think that you are wanting people to support motorola (as opposed to supporting the phone you purchased).
yess..
i don't know what this "campaign" can do, but i share the link in all social networks where i'm..
findthedr said:
appreciate you doing this.
I hope you and the "support my moto campaign" work together since it sounds like you both share similar goals.
I actually like your campaign of "update" better than "suppport" since it gets to the point and doesnt make people think that you are wanting people to support motorola (as opposed to supporting the phone you purchased).
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We will work together, yes
The idea was to create only one campaign, but we ended up spliting it because we had different views on this. But we agreed to help each other, since our goal is the same in the end.
kkruglov said:
yess..
i don't know what this "campaign" can do, but i share the link in all social networks where i'm..
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Thanks!
I'm spreading the word. I got motonomore.com, It's just a plain guestbook and I'm sure its kind of silly but I was hoping for tons of complaint posts about Moto. I figured all spread out our voice don't look so big but all in one place might make a change. Either way I'm posting every site or articles can find on this. I know Motorola wants everyone to lie down so it will be forgotten but if that happens then they got a new group to rape in an alley.
shallmrt said:
I'm spreading the word. I got motonomore.com, It's just a plain guestbook and I'm sure its kind of silly but I was hoping for tons of complaint posts about Moto. I figured all spread out our voice don't look so big but all in one place might make a change. Either way I'm posting every site or articles can find on this. I know Motorola wants everyone to lie down so it will be forgotten but if that happens then they got a new group to rape in an alley.
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Thanks for sharing! I will add your website on the main page
UPDATE
Campaign's page updated with a Brazilian Portuguese version
ACCESS THE WEBSITE
If you can translate the campaign to another language, please send the translated text to julianfernandes [at] ubuntu [dot] com
Hopefully they will be able to get something out to us. I'm so angry that they left us out in the cold like this. It reflects poorly on them as a company and they will be lucky to receive my business again.
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Thanks. I'm not very optimistic, but I'll be thrilled if you succeed.
The other campaign is also talking to the FTC, which I expect to be more helpful than the BBB. I think the BBB's day has gone, and it is now just an organization that extracts payments from companies to maintain "good" ratings. The FTC may still think its mission is to protect consumers.
Good work
Good work and I hope you succeed!
Moto-- "We are committed to being more transparent than ever on our software upgrade strategy - even when we're delivering news consumers may not want to hear. We are doing everything possible to continually improve our communication with you and make sure you are a satisfied customer. That's why we recently announced our $100 rebate program for owners of these and other devices launched in 2011 and beyond that won't get Android 4.1 Jelly Bean. This program starts in the U.S. this fall, and we are working to expand it to select regions around the world. Please watch for updates at motorola.com/tradeup.
BBB-- "If you are not satisfied with the company's response and wish to provide additional information relevant to your complaint (such as a copy of your contract, invoice, receipt, work order, warranty, etc.) please submit it with your rebuttal by the aforementioned date. If the Bureau does not receive a response from you within ten (10) days, your complaint will close as Assumed Resolved."
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I clicked that I didn't accept their response and made my rebuttal. I'm sure everyone is getting this same message and I'm assuming BBB will be fine with Motorola's answer. I however will never click the I accept the response unless they either give me the money to buy a Samsung Galaxy S3 (without contract or my broken contract fees included) or the option to unlock my phone.
Steve motonomore.com
I think the BBB is mostly about getting companies to pay for advertising in exchange for a good rating. I'd try the FTC, which might be interested in what Moto promised. Or you could try at the state level. Most states have a consumer protection agency. There seems to be a directory of state and local agencies here:
http://www.usa.gov/directory/stateconsumer/index.shtml
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Hopefully something comes of all these campaigns. I'd especially love to have my wimax back.. #Smh #Pipedreams
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Moto-- "We are committed to being more transparent than ever on our software upgrade strategy - even when we're delivering news consumers may not want to hear. We are doing everything possible to continually improve our communication with you and make sure you are a satisfied customer. That's why we recently announced our $100 rebate program for owners of these and other devices launched in 2011 and beyond that won't get Android 4.1 Jelly Bean. This program starts in the U.S. this fall, and we are working to expand it to select regions around the world. Please watch for updates at motorola.com/tradeup.
BBB-- "If you are not satisfied with the company's response and wish to provide additional information relevant to your complaint (such as a copy of your contract, invoice, receipt, work order, warranty, etc.) please submit it with your rebuttal by the aforementioned date. If the Bureau does not receive a response from you within ten (10) days, your complaint will close as Assumed Resolved."
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I clicked that I didn't accept their response and made my rebuttal. I'm sure everyone is getting this same message and I'm assuming BBB will be fine with Motorola's answer. I however will never click the I accept the response unless they either give me the money to buy a Samsung Galaxy S3 (without contract or my broken contract fees included) or the option to unlock my phone.
Steve motonomore.com
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That must be the form letter they are using for everyone. I didn't accept it either. Sent them a fairly long nastygram in response. Not expecting any satisfaction though.
It's amazing that they just keep right on with the BS:
Get the best of Android from us
We want to give you the best of smartphone technology. That means not only pushing the boundaries on design, utility, and speed, but also providing the best mobile software out there. Today, that's Jelly Bean, the newest Android operating system. That's why we're upgrading Motorola smartphones first offered for sale in 2011¹ and later to Jelly Bean.
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and then of course the superscript section says:
1 Applies to United States sales of Android Motorola smartphones first offered in 2011 or later.
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Well gee, I'm pretty sure - but don't quote me on this - that all the phones we are pissed about (Atrix 4G, Photon 4G, Electrify) were offered aka released in 2011, go figure. I mean, what, are they going to toss out Jelly Bean for all these devices soon, 'cause that's exactly how I read that content, word for word.
I mean, I could understand if THAT content said "except for certain devices" and then actually name said devices directly or something similar but it doesn't: it flat out says if the device was offered in 2011 or later (as the Atrix 4G, the Photon 4G, and the Electrify were), they're getting Jelly Bean updates and, unless I'm mistaken, that's not going to happen.
Doesn't say some, or specific ones that will or won't get any update to Jelly Bean, it specifically right there in black and white says if it's a Motorola Android phone offered in 2011 and later it's getting an update to Jelly Bean. I mean... WTFOMGBBQ
Now, correct me if I'm wrong here but when you say one thing and it turns out to be absolutely positively false, you're generally considered to be lying, right? Right?
Sure seems like something the FTC might be persuaded into looking into: that's flat out customer fraud, plain, simple, black and white, no muss, no fuss, no questions asked, right there on that page.
Motorola, are you even trying?